Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
The general consensus from Board members expressing an opinion (and it was not a call for a binding vote, so it is not officially a Board decision, but is rather the opinion of a couple of Board members) was that the name is less than ideal, but no action by the Board should be taken to stop it. That being said, those who did express an opinion felt the name was less than ideal. Several other ASF Members also felt it was a less than ideal name. Also, my two cents: The views of these Board members at this time should not be construed to be the views of some future Board reviewing a TLP Graduation request. In other words, the Board is elected once a year. Opinions could change enough that they could still say no to the name in the future. Short of graduation vote, I don't see a way around that. I don't think you would get the Board to vote on a future event of this nature that binds some future Board to a particular position. So, I guess it is up to the community at this point. I personally feel ManifoldCF is the best choice at this point, as it removes the risk around the genericness of ACF and also removes the trademark concern around the 2nd most popular name choice of Manifold. I don't like Yukon or Macon as I think they are too generic in the broader world (GMC Yukon, Yukon Territories, Macon GA) such that our SEO is limited, thereby making it harder for people to find us. At the same time, the current vote has passed not just here, but also up the chain, so if it goes forward, so be it. -Grant On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name
Do you think it would be appropriate to call a formal vote in the community, structured as a choice between ACF and ManifoldCF? I think we need to clarify the position of the community relative to your specific proposal. Karl On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: The general consensus from Board members expressing an opinion (and it was not a call for a binding vote, so it is not officially a Board decision, but is rather the opinion of a couple of Board members) was that the name is less than ideal, but no action by the Board should be taken to stop it. That being said, those who did express an opinion felt the name was less than ideal. Several other ASF Members also felt it was a less than ideal name. Also, my two cents: The views of these Board members at this time should not be construed to be the views of some future Board reviewing a TLP Graduation request. In other words, the Board is elected once a year. Opinions could change enough that they could still say no to the name in the future. Short of graduation vote, I don't see a way around that. I don't think you would get the Board to vote on a future event of this nature that binds some future Board to a particular position. So, I guess it is up to the community at this point. I personally feel ManifoldCF is the best choice at this point, as it removes the risk around the genericness of ACF and also removes the trademark concern around the 2nd most popular name choice of Manifold. I don't like Yukon or Macon as I think they are too generic in the broader world (GMC Yukon, Yukon Territories, Macon GA) such that our SEO is limited, thereby making it harder for people to find us. At the same time, the current vote has passed not just here, but also up the chain, so if it goes forward, so be it. -Grant On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news from the board? Karl On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I've been following the JIRA issue. I'm actually more curious about the board's opinion of the name choice. Karl On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: News should be posted on the JIRA issue. For now, it's being handled internally. Seems we aren't the only ones w/ the issue and apparently MINA has been shipping with it. -Grant On Sep 15, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Any news on this? Karl On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.orgwrote: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-80 has been created to track the NTLM issue. Sam Ruby is working w/ the ASF attorneys on this. I don't know how long it will take. In a separate thread, we should discuss workarounds/fallback plans so that we are prepared either way. -Grant On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wright wrote: +1 to both. Karl On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jack Krupansky jack.krupan...@lucidimagination.com wrote: +1 to both - review of name and address the NTLM issue since ACF is getting closer to where an actual 0.1 release could be considered. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Grant Ingersoll grant.ingers...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:35 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Pick your preferred name ACF passed the Incubator vote. My question to the community is do you want me to go to the Board and ask for advice on this since the Board ultimately approves any podling graduating? One Director weighed in on the vote saying the Board wouldn't care, but in my view it was not an official opinion. I was actually thinking about asking the board for two things: 1. View of the name 2. Whether they have guidance on our repeated request about NTLM and it's inclusion in any ACF release. I believe someone was slated to engage with us a few months back, but I don't believe anyone has reached out to us yet. Thoughts? -Grant On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Karl Wright wrote: Voting is now closed. Final tally (which only counts Robert's first choice and not all three): Apache Connectors Framework 15 Apache Manifold 11 Apache Yukon 9 Apache Macon 4 Apache ManifoldCF 3 Apache Omni 1 Apache Acromantula 1 Apache Lukon 1 Karl -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8 -- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search -- Grant Ingersoll http://lucenerevolution.org Apache Lucene/Solr Conference, Boston Oct 7-8
[VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF
Grant's feedback from the board is that ACF would likely not be blocked, but is indeed too broad. Based on the popularity of Apache Manifold the last time 'round, but the concern that Manifold is indeed a registered trademark, Grant proposes that we consider changing the name from Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. I'd like a vote of those who think this is a good idea. Vote +1 if you want this project to become Apache ManifoldCF, or -1 if you want to keep the current name Apache Connectors Framework. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF
We could put CF on the end of each of the original short names and re-vote them... but don't do that unless somebody seconds that approach. -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:33 PM To: connectors-dev connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF Grant's feedback from the board is that ACF would likely not be blocked, but is indeed too broad. Based on the popularity of Apache Manifold the last time 'round, but the concern that Manifold is indeed a registered trademark, Grant proposes that we consider changing the name from Apache Connectors Framework to Apache ManifoldCF. I'd like a vote of those who think this is a good idea. Vote +1 if you want this project to become Apache ManifoldCF, or -1 if you want to keep the current name Apache Connectors Framework. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF
Based on the level of controversy, and the necessity of settling this promptly, once and for all, I vote +1. Karl
Re: [VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF
+1 -- Jack Krupansky -- From: Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:23 PM To: connectors-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Pick either Apache Connectors Framework or Apache ManifoldCF Based on the level of controversy, and the necessity of settling this promptly, once and for all, I vote +1. Karl
