[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers]

Many excellent dances without a neighbor swing exist, I have fantasized about 
calling a whole evening of such dances.
Many dances  having only the 1's active can be adapted so the 1's and 2's 
alternate as active, the  most often called of which is "Alternating Corners" 
by Jim Kitch.

Relevant dances of mine without neighbor swings
The Balter Dance   http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#Balter
Star Birth  http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#Star (also 1's and  2's 
alternate being active)
A Proper Potpourri:  http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#Proper
The Unconsoled Cellar Door   http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#Unconsoled
The Great Urbana Barn Dance   http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#Great
Positional Thinking   http://aptsg.org/Dance/dances.html#PosTh

At last December's Contradancers' Delight Holiday in Tennessee, Darlene 
Underwood called several excellent dances without neighbor swings.
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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Colin Hume via Contra Callers]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:18:25 +, Louise Siddons via Contra Callers wrote:
> At the risk of disagreeing with John and Colin (!), I think it's worth 
> pointing out that the UK actually has two
> largely distinct groups of dancers engaging with the contra tradition, which 
> I will loosely classify as the folk club
> scene and the contra scene.

Let me point out that I agree with  everything Louise said (!) though the 
contra scene is much smaller than the club 
scene.  But in 10 years' time - who knows?

Colin Hume

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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Keith Wood via Contra Callers]

My no-swing contributions:

Brown Paper Packages
Improper (http://dancekaleidoscope.org.au/dance.html#BrownPaperPackages)

A1 All join inside hand with partner, 2s form an arch and 1s go under, 
all moving forwards; then 1s form an arch and 2s go under, all moving 
backwards
Chain all around starting right hand with neighbour, two beats (one bar) 
on each side
A2 All join inside hand with partner, 1s form an arch and 2s go under, 
all moving forwards; then 2s form an arch and 1s go under, all moving 
backwards
Chain all around starting right hand with neighbour, two beats (one bar) 
on each side

B1 Allemande right half-way with neighbour (4 beats)
Men allemande left 1 1/4 to face neighbour on the diagonal (4 beats)
Half hey for four on the diagonal, right shoulder start
B2 Women start to circle left, men complete the half hey and join the 
circle behind their neighbour, circle 3/4 back to original positions

Balance the ring (4 beats)
1s form an arch and 2s go under to progress (4 beats)

Flynn's Legacy
Becket (http://dancekaleidoscope.org.au/dance.html#FlynnsLegacy)
Couples coming out at the ends should wait on their new side and rejoin 
for the promenade and right and left through.


A1 Do-si-do opposite
Do-si-do opposites as couples
A2 Star right once around
Star left back
B1 Promenade across the set (courtesy turn hold) and continue on 
(anti-clockwise around the set) to face the next couple

Right and left through (with new opposites) to finish in progressed position
B2 Basket left twice around

Jacob's Ladder
Becket (http://dancekaleidoscope.org.au/dance.html#JacobsLadder)
End effects: couples coming out of the first hey with no-one to face 
should move to normal improper positions at the ends of the set and 
wait. When the second hey starts next time they rejoin, with the woman 
moving into the man's position when he vacates it.


A1 Star left once around
Star right back to place
A2 Hey for four, men passing left shoulder across the set to start
B1 Hey for four with the next couple (to the man's left facing across 
the set); men passing right shoulder to start

B2 Partners allemande left 1 1/2
Do-si-do partner by the left shoulder

Cheers
Keith

On 24/11/2022 02:18, Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers wrote:

At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing it so 
will change the subject line.

I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If swinging is 
perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like to see some new 
dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize neighbor swings, and at 
least some dances without any swings.

I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of 
opportunity for new choreography.

Lisa Sieverts
603-762-0235
l...@lisasieverts.com

On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:


"during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 minutes
swinging"

Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with numbers
and I think it is.  My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17
times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance.  That's 4k beats of
swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min.  Another way to think of it is that in
a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is swinging.

Jeff


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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers]

The other night at a dance which I was calling the band asked if they could 
play Petronella for a dance with that “as in Petronella” move*. Although I have 
become less a curmudgeon about Chestnut tunes like Petronella & Rory O’More, 
highly influenced by Laurie Andres, I thus asked the dancers if they’d mind 
dancing a dance with no swings. The challenge was met and, I think, dancers had 
fun with Petronella. And, they now know a bit what callers mean when they say, 
“as in Petronella,” when describing the balance in a ring, twirl to the right 
figure.

I always find the “as in” description weird way to say it, as most of the time 
98% of the attendants have never danced Petronella or Rory O’More. OK it is a 
few more syllables saying, “the signature move borrowed from an old dance 
called Petronella,” or “Rory O’More.” Who knows? Putting it that way might make 
a dancer or two want to go figure out what the dance Petronella or Rory O’More 
was like? It might also give a bit of understanding why so many dances allude 
to the dance with “ella” or “oh-more” in the title like Tom Thoreau’s 
Barbarella:

Barbarella
(of course with Kudos to Jane Fonda)
Becket by Tom Thoreau
A1 Petronella Balance & Twirl twice
A2 Two more Petronella Balance & Twirl
B1 Partner Balance & Swing—can be changed into a NO SWING dance by: Partner Do 
Si Do, Neighbor Do Si Do
B2 Right & Left Thru Across, Circle Left Half Way, with Partner, Slide Left to 
Next Couple

B2 can be a Promenade Half, Circle Half, Slide to next

Or, when calling this with a greater percentage of beginners:
B2 Long Lines Forward & Back, Circle Once, Slide Left

This dance can be danced with beginners and be interesting enough to entertain 
experienced dancers.

It can also be adapted into a more amorphous and beginner friendly by doing it 
with small circles anywhere in the room of two, three or ? couples making 
circles:

A1 & A2 Pet Balances
B1 Possibilities:

  *   Partner Balance & Swing
  *   Partner Do Si Do then Swing
  *   Corner Do Si Do, Partner Do Si Do—Now a NO SWING dance
  *   Anything you can come up with for 16 beats…
B2 With Partner (or as mixer with Corner) Scatter Promenade forming new circles

I find when calling to a large number of beginners, showing and teaching the 
balance but then giving permission to just bounce around for four beats then 
move once space to the right—four small steps or a twirl—the have fun with 
this, and it’s accessible.

Erik Hoffman

From: Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers 
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To: Lisa Sieverts 
Cc: Caller's discussion list 
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I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will likely 
face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and creative 
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I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will likely 
face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and creative 
choreography that will outweigh the perceived loss of value of dances with 
fewer swings.

We might reinvigorate ideas from old square-dance figures (lady/lark around 
two, gent, robin drop through) and from English dance (cast and lead, set and 
turn single). Selling meaning to explore the fun and connective elements in 
these figures, rather than seeing them as placeholders. I'm sure there are many 
more ideas and I'm interested in them.

Jerome

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, 10:18 AM Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers 
mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
 wrote:
At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing it so 
will change the subject line.

I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If swinging is 
perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like to see some new 
dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize neighbor swings, and at 
least some dances without any swings.

I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of 
opportunity for new choreography.

Lisa Sieverts
603-762-0235
l...@lisasieverts.com<mailto:l...@lisasieverts.com>

On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:

> "dur

[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Colin Hume via Contra Callers]

In England we're not nearly so interested in the swing.  I don't know whether 
this is because dancers are generally 
older, or because they're more likely to dance with the same partner a lot of 
the time, or because they like more varied 
choreography.  I know I've said this before, but it seems that a lot of 
choreographers in North America think "Balance 
and swing neighbor, circle left three places, swing partner - OK, what shall I 
put in this dance?"  And half the dance 
is gone.

I find I have a very different repertoire calling in the States from calling in 
England.  And still the most popular 
contra in England (ever since I started dancing) is "Devil's Dream" which is a 
fast-moving all-action fun contra - with 
no swing.
https://www.cambridgefolk.org.uk/contra/dances/devils_dream.html

The old contras in books such as the Community Dance Manuals tended to have 
more neighbour interaction than partner, and 
the swing was usually with neighbour.  In England I tend to call contras with a 
partner swing but no neighbour swing, 
and that opens up lots of interesting possibilities.

In case this is too horrifying a prospect for Americans, I must point out that 
I've written a contra with THREE swings!
https://colinhume.com/instl.htm#AltSwing

Colin Hume

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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[John Sweeney via Contra Callers]

Re " uses the square dance figure Right Hand High, Left Hand Low"

Tony does, of course, mean "uses the Right Hand High, Left Hand Low figure from 
the 1651 dance Pepper's Black"
http://playforddances.com/dances/peppers-black/

It's amazing how old some of these figures really are! :-) :-)

Happy dancing,  
   John 

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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Tony Parkes via Contra Callers]

Some of my favorite unequal dances:

Partner swing only:
Dancing Sailors (Ed Shaw & Al Olson - turn contra corners, then hey with second 
corners)
Lamplighter's Hornpipe (19th c., modern reconstruction)
Nova Scotian (Maurice Hennigar & Ralph Page - uses the square dance figure 
Right Hand High, Left Hand Low)

No swings:
British Sorrow (19th c. manuscript, as reconstructed by Ralph Page)
Long Valley (Don Armstrong - I like the duple version)
Petronella (actives-only or 4-person version)
Sackett's Harbor (one of the busiest-feeling no-swing contras)


Tony Parkes
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From: Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers  
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2022 1:06 PM
To: Caller's discussion list 
Subject: [Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

I've been trying to do some of the dances that were popular when I first 
started contra dance in the late 1980's.  Most evenings would include unequal 
dances where the 1's were the active couple and the 2's were inactive.  These 
dances included figures that have been neglected of late.  Like 1's down the 
middle and back and cast off with the 2's, along with chains and rights and 
lefts over and back.  We just don't see dances like that done very often any 
more.  While they all had swings my impression is that they had fewer swings 
than many of the dances today.

A few examples are:

Anne’s a Bride Tonight by Dillon Bustin
Aston Polka Contra by John Findlay
Blackthorn Reel by Roger Knox
Broken Sixpence by Don Armstrong (one of my favorite dances) etc.

Jonathan




On 11/23/2022 10:05 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers wrote:
> I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will likely 
> face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and creative 
> choreography that will outweigh the perceived loss of value of dances with 
> fewer swings.
> 
> We might reinvigorate ideas from old square-dance figures (lady/lark around 
> two, gent, robin drop through) and from English dance (cast and lead, set and 
> turn single). Selling meaning to explore the fun and connective elements in 
> these figures, rather than seeing them as placeholders. I'm sure there are 
> many more ideas and I'm interested in them.
> 
> Jerome
> 
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, 10:18 AM Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers 
>  <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> 
> At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing 
> it so will change the subject line.
> 
> I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If 
> swinging is perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like to 
> see some new dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize neighbor 
> swings, and at least some dances without any swings.
> 
> I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of 
> opportunity for new choreography.
> 
> Lisa Sieverts
> 603-762-0235
> l...@lisasieverts.com <mailto:l...@lisasieverts.com>
> 
> On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:
> 
>  > "during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 
> minutes
>  > swinging"
>  >
>  > Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with 
> numbers
>  > and I think it is.  My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17
>  > times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance.  That's 4k beats 
> of
>  > swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min.  Another way to think of it is 
> that in
>  > a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is 
> swinging.
>  >
>  > Jeff
>  >
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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers]

   I've been trying to do some of the dances that were popular when I first 
started contra dance in the late 1980's.  Most evenings would include unequal 
dances where the 1's were the active couple and the 2's were inactive.  These 
dances included figures that have been neglected of late.  Like 1's down the 
middle and back and cast off with the 2's, along with chains and rights and 
lefts over and back.  We just don't see dances like that done very often any 
more.  While they all had swings my impression is that they had fewer swings 
than many of the dances today.

   A few examples are:

Anne’s a Bride Tonight by Dillon Bustin
Aston Polka Contra by John Findlay
Blackthorn Reel by Roger Knox
Broken Sixpence by Don Armstrong (one of my favorite dances)
etc.

Jonathan




On 11/23/2022 10:05 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers wrote:

I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will likely 
face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and creative 
choreography that will outweigh the perceived loss of value of dances with 
fewer swings.

We might reinvigorate ideas from old square-dance figures (lady/lark around 
two, gent, robin drop through) and from English dance (cast and lead, set and 
turn single). Selling meaning to explore the fun and connective elements in 
these figures, rather than seeing them as placeholders. I'm sure there are many 
more ideas and I'm interested in them.

Jerome

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, 10:18 AM Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers 
mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:

At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing 
it so will change the subject line.

I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If swinging 
is perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like to see some 
new dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize neighbor swings, and 
at least some dances without any swings.

I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of 
opportunity for new choreography.

Lisa Sieverts
603-762-0235
l...@lisasieverts.com 

On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:

 > "during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 
minutes
 > swinging"
 >
 > Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with 
numbers
 > and I think it is.  My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17
 > times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance.  That's 4k beats of
 > swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min.  Another way to think of it is that 
in
 > a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is 
swinging.
 >
 > Jeff
 >
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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Gary Shapiro via Contra Callers]

Just a reminder: Tuesday, March 14, 2023, the first dance after the break,
is the International Money Musk Moment.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 8:49 AM Tony Parkes via Contra Callers <
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> Money Musk, anyone?
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[Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

[Tony Parkes via Contra Callers]

And of course there are dozens of contras written before the Great Revival 
(roughly 1965-present), when swinging wasn’t considered essential to a good 
dance. Money Musk, anyone?

Tony Parkes
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From: Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2022 11:05 AM
To: Lisa Sieverts 
Cc: Caller's discussion list 
Subject: [Callers] Re: Dances with fewer swings

I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will likely 
face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and creative 
choreography that will outweigh the perceived loss of value of dances with 
fewer swings.

We might reinvigorate ideas from old square-dance figures (lady/lark around 
two, gent, robin drop through) and from English dance (cast and lead, set and 
turn single). Selling meaning to explore the fun and connective elements in 
these figures, rather than seeing them as placeholders. I'm sure there are many 
more ideas and I'm interested in them.

Jerome

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, 10:18 AM Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers 
mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
 wrote:
At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing it so 
will change the subject line.

I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If swinging is 
perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like to see some new 
dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize neighbor swings, and at 
least some dances without any swings.

I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of 
opportunity for new choreography.

Lisa Sieverts
603-762-0235
l...@lisasieverts.com<mailto:l...@lisasieverts.com>

On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:

> "during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 minutes
> swinging"
>
> Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with numbers
> and I think it is.  My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17
> times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance.  That's 4k beats of
> swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min.  Another way to think of it is that in
> a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is swinging.
>
> Jeff
>
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[Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers]

I second Lisa's idea, with the added note that such choreography will
likely face some resistance if it's not sold well. So I encourage fun and
creative choreography that will outweigh the perceived loss of value of
dances with fewer swings.

We might reinvigorate ideas from old square-dance figures (lady/lark around
two, gent, robin drop through) and from English dance (cast and lead, set
and turn single). Selling meaning to explore the fun and connective
elements in these figures, rather than seeing them as placeholders. I'm
sure there are many more ideas and I'm interested in them.

Jerome

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, 10:18 AM Lisa Sieverts via Contra Callers <
contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> At the risk of derailing this conversation, ah, I definitely am derailing
> it so will change the subject line.
>
> I’d like to see new COVID-aware choreography with fewer swings. If
> swinging is perhaps the most dangerous thing we do while dancing, I’d like
> to see some new dances that emphasize partner swings and de-emphasize
> neighbor swings, and at least some dances without any swings.
>
> I’m intrigued by the idea that dances without swings open up 32 beats of
> opportunity for new choreography.
>
> Lisa Sieverts
> 603-762-0235
> l...@lisasieverts.com
>
> On 23 Nov 2022, at 9:30, Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers wrote:
>
> > "during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30
> minutes
> > swinging"
> >
> > Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with
> numbers
> > and I think it is.  My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17
> > times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance.  That's 4k beats of
> > swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min.  Another way to think of it is that
> in
> > a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is
> swinging.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
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