Re: [Cooker] small distro2
Hello All, I tried last night to download the Mandrake-developer directories along with Mandrake directories. The problem is that all of this stuff was over 11Gig and ran my drive out of space. How do I install cooker on my Mandrake 7.2? also, I have a partition that available that I want to use to build this 115Meg minimum distro onto but am not sure what Pixel means about the Load from floppy and use an empty auto_inst.cfg Could you please be a little more specific until I get the hang of how things work? Thanks, Lonnie Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow this is it!!! Now for the dumb question, ok. Where can I get this and do an install to test it out for myself? install cooker. at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy) Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] Mandrake Installation process
Hello All, Is there a document explaining exactly what files are executed during the install boot-up sequence? I would like to know more about the Mandrake installer from begining to final OS installation and configutation. In particular, I am interested in what is the first file that is executed and what configuration files does it use, then what happens next .. Could anyone please enlighten me as to this whole process in some specific details. Cheers, Lonnie Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Hello Pixel,
sorry to bother you but could you please tell me the next steps to take?
install cooker.
I have just downloaded the entire COOKER directory from the Mandrake-Developer
and am readdy to try to install the 115Meg onto a Linux partition that I have.
at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the
Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy)
Where do I find this floppy image on which to place the auto_inst.cfg
Could only find auto_inst.cfg.pl in the cooker directory.
Is this just one of the regular boot/net/hd install images?
Cheers,
Lonnie
Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This sound interesting
Is this 115Meg size distro part of the current Mandrake install?
yep (i've just tested it)
Also, if so then is there a way to find out a list of the rpms that
are
installed with this distro.
yep, here it is:
ash autologin bash bdflush bzip2 chkconfig common-licenses
console-tools
cracklib cracklib-dicts db1 dev devfsd diffutils dynamic e2fsprogs
etcskel
filesystem fileutils gcc3.0-cpp gettext-base getty_ps glibc grep
groff-for-man
grub gzip hdparm info info-install initscripts iputils isapnptools
kernel
ldconfig libbzip2_1 libext2fs2 libglib1.2 libgpm1 libintl1 libnewt0.50
libslang1 libstdc++2.10 libtermcap2 libutempter0 lilo locales
locales-en
logrotate losetup man mandrake-release menu Mesa-common mkinitrd
mktemp
modutils mount msec nfs-utils-clients ntsysv passwd perl-MDK-Common
popt
portmap procps psmisc pwdb rootfiles rpm rxvt sed shadow-utils
sh-utils
syslinux SysVinit tar termcap textutils tmpwatch utempter util-linux
vim-minimal which XFree86 XFree86-libs XFree86-server XFree86-xfs
xinitrc
zlib1
% rpm -qa --qf %{size} %{name}\n | sort -n | tail
1935133 console-tools
2259994 util-linux
3640938 locales
3801150 menu
4080134 rpm
5706048 XFree86-libs
13317224 kernel
16168021 glibc
18247825 XFree86
21475298 XFree86-server
(but beware, rpm size installed size due to %lang tagged files)
Lonnie Cumberland
OutStep Technologies Incorporated
URL: http://www.outstep.com
EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] small distro
Hello All, Is there a way to get a minimum distro, maybe something 10Meg, of Mandrake that just has Xwindows running on it? I would like to put together the smallest distro of Mandrake that I can find? Any ideas? Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Actually, larger than 10Meg is also fine. I just wanted to find the most stripped down, ans smallest, version of Mandrake that I could and also one that would only have Xwindows installed even without the window manager if possible. I want to be able to add all of the specific applications that I wanted and not have all of the apps that I generally do not use in there as well. ---Lonnie Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All, Is there a way to get a minimum distro, maybe something 10Meg, of Mandrake that just has Xwindows running on it? I would like to put together the smallest distro of Mandrake that I can find? Any ideas? Kernel-rpm is already 8Meg. Don't think you are going to fit it in 10Meg Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] limiting access
Hi All, The small distro link was exactly what I think that I am look for. I will investigate it further. I know that you can change permissions on directories to prevent a user from entering a specific directory tree, but is there a way to prevent a user from exiting out of a specific directory? For example, is there a way to prevent the users from leaving their own home directories? Thanks Again, Lonnie Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] limiting access
Well, I was just thinking back to the days of Novell and seem to remember that when a user logged in, they were mapped into their own user space and generally did not have access to other areas. I though that this was a nice security issue. Also, the users could run applications by having a local bin link and path setting. I was just playing with some ideas and wanted to investigate them. Cheers, Lonnie Quoting Mordechai Ovits [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 09 August 2001 04:18, you wrote: I know that you can change permissions on directories to prevent a user from entering a specific directory tree, but is there a way to prevent a user from exiting out of a specific directory? No, not really. There's something called chroot, but it wont do what you want. Think about it: If they cant leave their home dir, how would they run things in /usr/bin ? For example, is there a way to prevent the users from leaving their own home directories? Please clarify what you mean by leave? Do you not want them to be able to see the contents of ANY other directory? And why?!?!? Mordy -- Mordy Ovits Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Network Engineer Teach a man to fish, and you give up Bloomberg L.P. your monopoly on fisheries. Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
This sound interesting Is this 115Meg size distro part of the current Mandrake install? Also, if so then is there a way to find out a list of the rpms that are installed with this distro. cheers, Lonnnie Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, larger than 10Meg is also fine. I just wanted to find the most stripped down, ans smallest, version of Mandrake that I could and also one that would only have Xwindows installed even without the window manager if possible. the minimum is quite big: 115MB (i also added rxvt) (a window manager is included as twm is in XFree86 package) far from 10MB for sure. PS: around 10MB could be removed by removing GL and DRI stuff from XFree86... Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Wow this is it!!!
Now for the dumb question, ok.
Where can I get this and do an install to test it out for myself?
Cheers,
Lonnie
Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This sound interesting
Is this 115Meg size distro part of the current Mandrake install?
yep (i've just tested it)
Also, if so then is there a way to find out a list of the rpms that
are
installed with this distro.
yep, here it is:
ash autologin bash bdflush bzip2 chkconfig common-licenses
console-tools
cracklib cracklib-dicts db1 dev devfsd diffutils dynamic e2fsprogs
etcskel
filesystem fileutils gcc3.0-cpp gettext-base getty_ps glibc grep
groff-for-man
grub gzip hdparm info info-install initscripts iputils isapnptools
kernel
ldconfig libbzip2_1 libext2fs2 libglib1.2 libgpm1 libintl1 libnewt0.50
libslang1 libstdc++2.10 libtermcap2 libutempter0 lilo locales
locales-en
logrotate losetup man mandrake-release menu Mesa-common mkinitrd
mktemp
modutils mount msec nfs-utils-clients ntsysv passwd perl-MDK-Common
popt
portmap procps psmisc pwdb rootfiles rpm rxvt sed shadow-utils
sh-utils
syslinux SysVinit tar termcap textutils tmpwatch utempter util-linux
vim-minimal which XFree86 XFree86-libs XFree86-server XFree86-xfs
xinitrc
zlib1
% rpm -qa --qf %{size} %{name}\n | sort -n | tail
1935133 console-tools
2259994 util-linux
3640938 locales
3801150 menu
4080134 rpm
5706048 XFree86-libs
13317224 kernel
16168021 glibc
18247825 XFree86
21475298 XFree86-server
(but beware, rpm size installed size due to %lang tagged files)
Lonnie Cumberland
OutStep Technologies Incorporated
URL: http://www.outstep.com
EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area as I am new to using Cooker and am not clear on how to proceed. I have made a clear partition, /dev/hde6, on my existing Mandrake-Linux 7.2 system and have downloaded the network.img and put it on a blank disk. Now I looked on there and did not see the auto_inst.cfg, but do think that it is on the FTP site from which I am supposed to be doing the install from. do I need to have some other image, or am I missing something here? Cheers, Lonnie Quoting Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow this is it!!! Now for the dumb question, ok. Where can I get this and do an install to test it out for myself? install cooker. at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy) Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] small distro
Hi again All, so where do I get this cooker? install cooker. I am currently getting a mirror of the cooker directory onto my local drive. at individual package selection, unselect all (easy solution is to use the Load from floppy, for this put an empty file auto_inst.cfg on floppy) I am a little unclear about this part. Could you please explain it more or direct me to a README file for this? Cheers, Lonnie Lonnie Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated URL: http://www.outstep.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Cooker] 8.0 Beta and Oracle9i
Hello All, I just wanted to let you all know that I have very large problems trying to get the Oracle9i, which I downloaded from Oracle and is about 1.4Gig in size, to install. I was never able to do it because Jave would complain about threads and crash out. Finally I had to back my distribution down to Linux 7.2 and everything seems to be much better. Also, could some one please tell me how to change the permissions of a group and user that I created for Oracle called "oinstall" (group) and "oracle" (user) such that they have root permissions and are able to make changes to the /etc directory? Oracle needs this account only for install purposes, but also needs it to have root level permissions. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Simple question
Hello All, could someone please tell me how to change the permissions of one of my user's so that they have root level permissions to change things on the system without using "su" or "sudo"? I am creating an user account with "root" permissions. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] environment variables
Hello All, could someone please tekk me where I can set some global environment variables that are system wide. I tried to put some in the rc.local by doing "ODBCINI=/etc/odbc.ini" for example but they did not show up in the "set" list. I am trying to install an odbc manager that will talk to PostgreSQL 7.0.x database server. Any ideas? Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Global PATH's and VARIABLES?
Hello All, could someone please tell me a simple way to set some global paths? I tried in the rc.local, but they do not show up in all of the uses PATH statements. I would also like to set some global variables like QTDIR, etc... I think that the Mandrake security method is overriding them. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] qt 2 and unixODBC
Hello All, I am trying to compile up a version of the unixODBC gui manager, but am having much problems. It seems that it is not finding the qt 2 libraries. I have talked to the developer and he says that we need to have qt2.2 or greater. I know that 2.2.4 is installed by the libqt2 rpm, but the configurer does not seem to find it. I alsohave had no luck in taking out the default installed qt libraries so that I could install the latest version 2.3 from trolltech.no. When I forced the removal of the qt libraries it messed up my system and now I have to do a fresh install of Mandrake to get everything back to normal. I simply wanted to be able to develop applications with the latest version of the qt libraries, and in particular the unixODBC gui package so that I can talk to my PostgreSQL 7.0.x datbase server. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] xinitd and VNC
Hello All, Could someone please tell me about this xinitd and how to set up a service in it. I need to make some services for my Xvnc so that it will run. I use to just set things up in the inetd.conf but that does not seem t owork in 8.0. Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] VNC modifications different in 8.0?
Hello All, I have a few simple questions for you, and I am working from root. 1.) When I try to make a global change to the PATH statement in the rc.local file and export it, the new global path has not changed. Do the security levels affect this? Where do I make a change to the PATH statement so that it is affected for ALL users? 2.) With the old Mandrake, I would simply put the VNC files into the /usr/local/bin directory and modify the global PATH to reflect this. the files moved are: Xvnc, vncviewer, vncserver, vncconnect, vncpasswd The purpose is explained below and the RPM version is generally removed from the system. The general goal is to allow the Xvnc to be started by the inetd.conf file so that when any number of users connect to the desired port then they can login to the graphical screen of KDM, for example. This allows any user to be able to concurrently use XServer and KDE from any vncviewer running on any platform. 3.) We would generally append the attached files to the specified config file. For example: append the "services.append" to /ect/services file 4.) Then simply restart the system and everything should be working just fine. then just start up the "vncviewer " and give it an address "my.local.adder:port" where port is from the "services" file. Also, could someone please tell me how to restart the inetd daemon without having to re-boot? These are some simple problems that I am having to get VNC installed properly on 8.0. Cheers, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ services.append inetd.conf.append
Re: [Cooker] NEW to List and working on Ultra66 Install Problem
Hello Mark, I will give it a try and see. Also, I have a quantum Fireball KZ drive on this Ultra66 controller and was wondering if this is the only controller that will work. I there some type of SCSI controller that I could use instead, like one of the AHA 15xx, or AHA 17xx cards. I want to get away rom this controller card bu still use my Quantum drive on the new controller if possible. Cheers, Lonnie --- Mark Wormgoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, When the system had finished and rebooted, it froze up in various ways that I tried. 1. I tried to enter the same "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" and the system seemed to boot the kernel then go into a panic because it could not locate the root fs. 2. I tried an old string from Mandrake 7.1 APPEND command "hdd=ide-scsi ide2=0x1068,0x101c ide3=0x1060,1018" and the system found the drive properly on hde, but froze up when it came to "Partition Check: hde: " I also tried to specifically send it "root=/dev/hde7" but it came back and said that it could not find the root FS. One (tiny) question. When you rebooted and the harddisks came by in the kernel messages (try 1 above), was hde a harddisk? My guess here is that the harddisk suddenly moved to hda7 and you should boot using: linux root=/dev/hda7 ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2=noautotune ide3=noautotune Then, modify fstab and lilo.conf/grub to point to hda instead of hde. I submitted this bug already. Kind regards, Mark Wormgoor __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] NEW to List and working on Ultra66 Install Problem
Hello, I have a PIII 500Mhz 128Meg ram system with a VooDoo3 card and Ultra66 controller with a 26Gig drive. I was able to: 1. Boot the install CDROM. 2. Press F1 and enter at prompt "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" 3. then do a complete install of the 8.0 Beta 1 CD's When the system had finished and rebooted, it froze up in various ways that I tried. 1. I tried to enter the same "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" and the system seemed to boot the kernel then go into a panic because it could not locate the root fs. 2. I tried an old string from Mandrake 7.1 APPEND command "hdd=ide-scsi ide2=0x1068,0x101c ide3=0x1060,1018" and the system found the drive properly on hde, but froze up when it came to "Partition Check: hde: " I also tried to specifically send it "root=/dev/hde7" but it came back and said that it could not find the root FS. Could someone please tell me a fix for this as it seems to almost be ready to boot. Just one more thing, the old Mandrake 7.1 with the 2.2.15 kernel installed with no problems and I did not have to make any chages at all. Cheers, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] NEW to List and working on Ultra66 Install Problem
Hello All, I have a PIII 500Mhz 128Meg ram system with a VooDoo3 card and Ultra66 controller with a 26Gig drive. I was able to get 8.0Beta1 to install by: 1. Boot the install CDROM. 2. Press F1 and enter at prompt "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" 3. then do a complete install of the 8.0 Beta 1 CD's When the system had finished and rebooted, it froze up in a few various ways that I tried. 1. I tried to enter the same "linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2noautotune ide3=noautotune" and the system seemed to boot the kernel then go into a panic because it could not locate the root fs. 2. I tried an old string from Mandrake 7.1 APPEND command "hdd=ide-scsi ide2=0x1068,0x101c ide3=0x1060,1018" and the system found the drive properly on hde, but froze up when it came to "Partition Check: hde: " I also tried to specifically send it "root=/dev/hde7" but it came back and said that it could not find the root FS. Could someone please tell me a fix for this as it seems to almost be ready to boot it just either cannot find the root filesystem after booting and does a kernel panic or it freezes up. Just one more thing, the old Mandrake 7.1 with the 2.2.15 kernel installed with no problems and I did not have to make any chages at all. Cheers, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Actual Release 7.2 Date?
Hello All, I was just wondering if the Mandrake group could please tell me when the projected release of 7.2 to the public is targeted for? Also, when might the next Beta2 release would be appearing as I thought that it would be last weekend, but did not see it. My reasoning is that the Beta1 will not install on my PIII 500 with 3dfx VooDoo3 card and Ultra 66 controller and I am eagerly interested in running the new version. -Cheers Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Actual Release 7.2 Date?
Hello Guillaume, I am new to this mailing list and was not sure where to look to see about the bugs that I had already posted. Namely that the installer, hang-up just after it detects and desplays that it found my drives. From this point on the installer will not let me do anything as the system is frozen. My Mandrake 7.1 seems to run fine, but I am really needing, and wanting to use the new features of 7.2 on my system. Until I have a version of the Beta, or release 7.2 that I can actually get installed, I cannot preceed any further to check for bugs because I simply cannot get the installer to continue. With this in mind, I did not know what else to do? Regards, Lonnie --- Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Cumberland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] My reasoning is that the Beta1 will not install on my PIII 500 with 3dfx VooDoo3 card and Ultra 66 controller and I am eagerly interested in running the new version. Why? Instead of waiting to see if the next one will fix present bugs, are you sure that the bugs have already been submitted, and if not, can you send information? -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Mandrake Install Freezes
Hello All, I have sent this message a few days ago, but was not sure if I had been subscribed to the list at that time. So being that I am new to this list, I am hoping that someone can assist me with this new version My system is: Pentium III 500 Mhz with 128Meg ram, Ultra 66 disk controller, Quantum KX27.3 Gig drive Also a small WDC AC11200L IDE drive as extra swap partition 3dfx VooDoo 3 Video card and ethernet connection Initially, I was able to easily install the Mandrake 7.1 without any problems using the same procedure just by booting the "network.img" disk that I made with "dd if=network.img of=/dev/fd0" For the 7.2Beta, the network.img disk boots and I select "enter" to continue. Then it detects my drives, by displaying the hda,hde and cdroms, and then freezes up. I have to then do a "hard-boot" to re-boot my system back into the old Mandrake 7.1 version. This is strange because my Mandrake 7.1 installed without any problems and I do not know what could becausing the problems. Does anybody have some suggestions, or is this being addressed by the Mandrake developers? -Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Mandrake 7.2 projected release date?
Hello All, Does anyone know what the targeted release date for this new 7.2 version is? -Cheers, Lonnie __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Bug Report
Hello, I have just downloaded the Mandrake 7.2beta "network.img" and put it on a disk so that I can install the net Beta version but ran into problems on the boot up of the disk. My system is: Pentium III 500 Mhz with 128Meg ram, Ultra 66 disk controller, Quantum KX27.3 Gig drive Also a small WDC AC11200L IDE drive as extra swap partition 3dfx VooDoo 3 Video card and ethernet connection Initially, I was able to easily install the Mandrake 7.1 without any problems using the same procedure just by booting the "network.img" disk that I made with "dd if=network.img of=/dev/fd0" For the 7.2Beta, the network.img disk boots and I select "enter" to continue. Then it detects my drives, which it seems to do, and then freezes up. I have to then do a "hard-boot" to re-boot my system back into the old Mandrake 7.1 version. could someone please send me a message when this has been resolved as I will continue with the testing of this version after that? Best REgards, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
[Cooker] Bug Report
Hello, I have just downloaded the Mandrake 7.2beta "network.img" and put it on a disk so that I can install the net Beta version but ran into problems on the boot up of the disk. My system is: Pentium III 500 Mhz with 128Meg ram, Ultra 66 disk controller, Quantum KX27.3 Gig drive Also a small WDC AC11200L IDE drive as extra swap partition 3dfx VooDoo 3 Video card and ethernet connection Initially, I was able to easily install the Mandrake 7.1 without any problems using the same procedure just by booting the "network.img" disk that I made with "dd if=network.img of=/dev/fd0" For the 7.2Beta, the network.img disk boots and I select "enter" to continue. Then it detects my drives, which it seems to do, and then freezes up. I have to then do a "hard-boot" to re-boot my system back into the old Mandrake 7.1 version. could someone please send me a message when this has been resolved as I will continue with the testing of this version after that? Best REgards, Lonnie Cumberland __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
