from:"newslett"


Hehe, thanks, had to restart Mozilla for it to take effect. Hopefully 
the reply to header is now FINALLY gone for goodwe'll see... =)]

Cheers,

Jason

Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>I forward this to the cooker list.
>>
>>I wrote to Frauenhofer and their response is below. This does not fully 
>>answer our question as it does not address Open Source but commercially 
>>sold software decoders. BUT, it does say the licensing policy has not 
>>changed and since Mandrake has not been sued up till now, that should be 
>>a good indicator that Mandrake should continue the way it always has - 
>>that is to continue (as before) to INCLUDE software based Open Source 
>>MP3 Players in the distribution.
>>
>>Hope this helps to calrify the issues involved.
> 
> 
> Heh, thanks for having the presence of mind to do this Jason :). Seems
> no-one else did before running off on wild tangents (myself included, of
> course). Makes you wonder why Red Hat suddenly decided to yank their mp3
> encoding stuff, really. As you say, the situation hasn't materially
> changed in any way, so far as can be told.
> 
> But you're STILL setting a reply-to: header with the same address as
> your from: header. Don't do this. It's broken.

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue

That's not the point here. Besides, you got a spare $50,000 for 
Mandrake?? As it is they are AFAIK laying off developers and (perhaps) 
rushing releases a bit just to stay afloat. I am not ripping ML, just 
trying to be honest. I do NOT want to see ML go under, THAT would be a 
sad day. So if it comes down to a PLF package instead of ML paying for 
MP3's, I'll take it.

Regards,

Jason Greenwood

PS, how many things that require licenses should ML pay for in a FREELY 
downloadable distro??? None IMHO. The whole point of ML is to be 100% 
OSS, AFAIK.

Bryan Whitehead wrote:
> Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>>
>>> S, is XMMS going to play MP3's or not in 9.0???
>>
>>
>>
>> dunno yet. we're studying the issue with lawyers, and contacting
>> thomson & rh to get more info on the subject.
>>
> 
> Why doesn't Mandrake, RedHat, and others simply pay $50,000 on behalf of 
> the XMMS team. Then they will have an unlimited license for decoding 
> .mp3's. Mandrake/Redhat/others simply distribute XMMS
> 
> Or am I missing something?
>

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue


SORRY to cause such a stir, I didn't realise I had a reply to header 
set, so thanks for bringing it to my attention, it was my mistake. It 
has now been removed. Apologies to the list for the pain in the ass.

Cheers,

Jason Greenwood

Ben Reser wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 04:24:03PM -0500, Igor Izyumin wrote:
> 
>>Why isn't the list simply configured to re-write the header?  Couldn't it just
>>include both the stuff in the original reply-to and the cooker email?
> 
> 
> So that people who need to get offlist replies can set a Reply-To header
> and then the reply function will go to them.  I do it whenver I want
> someone to send me something off list to help debug.
> 
> Just go look through all the many debates about this that have occured.
> They're in the archive...
>

[Cooker] [Fwd: Re: MP3 Licensing Question]

I forward this to the cooker list.

I wrote to Frauenhofer and their response is below. This does not fully 
answer our question as it does not address Open Source but commercially 
sold software decoders. BUT, it does say the licensing policy has not 
changed and since Mandrake has not been sued up till now, that should be 
a good indicator that Mandrake should continue the way it always has - 
that is to continue (as before) to INCLUDE software based Open Source 
MP3 Players in the distribution.

Hope this helps to calrify the issues involved.

Regards,

Jason Greenwood

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: MP3 Licensing Question
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:47:01 +0200
From: Stefan Geyersberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Fraunhofer IIS-A
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,

the following statement was sent to the Slash Dot.org Web site for 
clarification.
It should be up within the next days.

--
Steve Syatt
SSA Public Relations for Thomson multimedia (the lower case is not a 
typo...)
My Tel: (818) 501-0700

Statement from Thomson Multimedia, mp3 Licensing

In a posting appearing Tuesday August 27, 2002 on the Web site
'slashdot.org,' an individual cited a change in the mp3 license fee
structure of Thomson and Fraunhofer.  The writer of the post apparently
misread the mp3 licensing conditions, as Thomson's mp3 licensing policy has
not experienced any change.

To clarify, since the beginning of our mp3 licensing program in 1995,
Thomson has never charged a per unit royalty for freely distributed software
decoders.  For commercially sold decoders - primarily hardware mp3 players -
the per-unit royalty has always been in place since the beginning of the
program.

Therefore, there is no change in our licensing policy and we continue to
believe that the royalty fees of .75 cents per mp3 player (on average
selling over $200 dollars) has no measurable impact on the consumer
experience.
--

Jason Greenwood wrote:
 > Dear Sir/Miss,
 >
 > A war is raging in the Open Source Community regarding MP3 Players. In
 > particular, the inclusion of the XMMS MP3 Player Plugin in the
 > forthcoming Mandrake 9.0 Release. Is it required to obtain a license for
 > software based MP3 Players that are Open Source (Free)?? Your pages used
 > to address this but have been removed. Please clarify for all involved.
 >
 > As an OSS software user I hope that you make exemptions in your
 > licensing for Open Source Projects as improvements in the format are
 > returned to you in the form of source. As such you receive valuable
 > development input in place of royalty fees. I was not commissioned by
 > anyone to write this to you. I am asking on my own behalf and on behalf
 > of Open Source Software Users the world over.
 >
 > Kindest Regards,
 >
 > Jason Greenwood
 >
 >

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue


The question here is DECODERS not ENCODERS, though why blade is not IN 
the distro I do not know

Cheers,

Jason

Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
>>"D" == David Walser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> 
> D> The frauenhofer page I've seen doesn't say, all it does is give
> D> different royalty rates for decoders depending on whether or
> D> not they're based on frauenhoffer code.
> 
> The only mention of this I can find on DayPop is a 1999 article on
> mp3.com:
> 
>Only two prominent MP3 encoders for UNIX remained: Fraunhofer IIS'
>own MP3Enc and the freely available BladeEnc. How did BladeEnc
>survive the royalties crunch?
> 
>The answer lies in geography. Tord Jansson has been developing
>BladeEnc in Sweden, where the government does not honor patents on
>algorithms. The MP3 standard is an algorithm for encoding audio,
>and therefore, Jansson is not required to pay royalties for his
>encoder.
> 
>http://www.mp3.com/news/264.html
> 
> What has changed?  Why do we not just continue to use the BladeEnc?
> For that matter, why don't we all just move to Sweden!
>

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue


I just emailed them directly myself - I want to KNOW. I'll advise 
if/when they respond.

Regards,

Jason

Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 12:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>Has anyone contacted the developer of the algorithm in question?? If 
>>not, this is all shooting in the dark. I wanna know if Mandrake has 
>>contacted this Frauenwhoever to ask if "Free" decoding software is 
>>indeed excluded from possible litigation??. If it is, then this thread 
>>is a waste of time.
> 
> 
>>From the silence from official MDK people on this issue i'd guess that's
> exactly what's going on right now. I've just done a bit of checking on
> this with the WayBack Machine (www.archive.org), looking at revisions to
> http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html over time; interestingly
> that page seems to have stopped listing an exemption for freely
> distributed players on August 20, 2001, which makes me wonder why this
> has come up now and not earlier. Any information anyone?

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue


Has anyone contacted the developer of the algorithm in question?? If 
not, this is all shooting in the dark. I wanna know if Mandrake has 
contacted this Frauenwhoever to ask if "Free" decoding software is 
indeed excluded from possible litigation??. If it is, then this thread 
is a waste of time.

Cheers,

Jason

Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 03:42, Todd Lyons wrote:
> 
> 
>>The code is not what is patentend.  It's the algorithm.
>>
>>I thought the stance was they were enforcing their patent for all
>>encoders and only for commercial decoders (and leaving free decoders
>>alone).  Has that changed since last week or was last week merely
>>speculation?
> 
> 
> That's the change. The licensing page now simply lays out the fees with
> no mention whatsoever of the old exception for free software. You have
> to look at the Wayback Machine or on some mailing lists to see copies of
> the old page with the exception, now. Some sites are already reporting
> Red Hat have removed mp3 decoding stuff from their current beta,
> btw...dunno if this is accurate.

Re: [Cooker] thoughts on mp3 issue


S, is XMMS going to play MP3's or not in 9.0???

Cheers,

Jason

Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> David Walser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
>>a patent can't just cover decoding mp3 files no matter
>>how you do it.  They can license their particular
>>decoder code however they want, but any code that's
>>not derived from it most likely doesn't infringe any
>>patent and can't require royalties no matter what
>>frauenhoffer might say.
> 
> 
> The problem is that they pretend their patent is ok, so as long
> as we don't have an advice from a lawyer or decision from a court
> we can't really know if they're right or not.
>

cooker@linux-mandrake.com


Thanks for the additional tips, much appreciated. It's nice to know I 
can now Freshen all of Cooker at once... =)

Cheers,

Jason

Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 04:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>
>>I'm sure most of you know this already but I didn't so I'll share it in
>>case it's usefull to anyone.
>>
>>As of late on Cooker, new dev and MAKEDEV packages have been coming fast
>>and furious. I thought that dev got mounted fairly early on
>>in the boot process (as in one of the first things). As such it was a
>>major pain to upgrade these packages as you couldn't simply
>>freshen/upgrade them in the normal fashions. One had to use Mandrake
>>Install or one of the ISO installs/upgrades - or so I thought and was
>>told by others.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Um, nope. If you're upgrading from a post-3.3 version to another
> post-3.3 version, you can upgrade as normal. If you're upgrading from a
> pre-3.2 version, all you need to do is ensure devfs isn't mounted;
> simply boot in failsafe mode, or edit lilo.conf, change the linux option
> from "devfs=mount" to "devfs=nomount", run lilo, and reboot. Then you
> can upgrade dev and MAKEDEV through rpmdrake or urpmi as per usual. Then
> just reboot (setting lilo back to original if necessary) and you're
> done. No need for boot disks, rescue CDs, single-user mode, panic of any
> sort...=). This is all in the archives, if you look.

cooker@linux-mandrake.com

2002-08-27 Thread newslett




I'm sure most of you know this already but I didn't so I'll share it in
case it's usefull to anyone.

As of late on Cooker, new dev and MAKEDEV packages have been coming fast
and furious. I thought that dev got mounted fairly early on
in the boot process (as in one of the first things). As such it was a
major pain to upgrade these packages as you couldn't simply
freshen/upgrade them in the normal fashions. One had to use Mandrake
Install or one of the ISO installs/upgrades - or so I thought and was
told by others.

Not so I discovered. If you enter single user mode from LILO, you can
force upgrade these packages from your harddrive and reboot and poof, ur
ready to rock.

For those that don't know how - at the LILO splash screen simply hit
esc. and that takes you to a command prompt. Type Linux -s and you'll be
at the Linux CLI in single user mode (no graphics). From here, upgrade
the packages and then reboot - simple huh??

Hope this helps someone.

Regards,

Jason Greenwood

[Cooker] Latest Cooker Upgrade Errors

2002-08-27 Thread newslett


Here are the error snips from my latest Cooker Freshen:

2:drakconf   ### [  2%]
cp: cannot stat `/root/mcc.conf': No such file or directory
error: execution of %trigger scriptlet from drakconf-9.0-0.6mdk failed, 
exit status 1
cp: cannot stat `/root/mcc.conf': No such file or directory
error: execution of %trigger scriptlet from drakconf-9.0-0.6mdk failed, 
exit status 1
3:ipvsadm### 
[  3%]

  42:setup  warning: /etc/group created as 
/etc/group.rpmnew%)
### [ 51%]
   43:man### 
[ 52%]
48:gnome-terminal ### [ 58%]
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server 
failure./usr/share/gnome/help/gnome-terminal/C/gnome-terminal.xml:8: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
   49:libGConf2_4-devel  ### 
[ 59%]


55:gnome-applets  ### [ 67%]
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server 
failure./usr/share/gnome/help/char-palette/C/char-palette.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server failure./usr/share/gnome/help/battstat/C/battstat.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server failure./usr/share/gnome/help/cdplayer/C/cdplayer.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server 
failure./usr/share/gnome/help/command-line/C/command-line.xml:10: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server failure./usr/share/gnome/help/geyes/C/geyes.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server failure./usr/share/gnome/help/gkb/C/gkb.xml:9: warning: 
failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server 
failure./usr/share/gnome/help/gtik2_applet2/C/gtik2_applet2.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server failure./usr/share/gnome/help/gweather/C/gweather.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd";
]>
  ^
xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost:  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - 
Non-authoritive host not found or server failure.xmlNanoHTTPConnectHost: 
  Failed to resolve host 'www.oasis-open.org' - Non-authoritive host not 
found or server 
failure./usr/share/gnome/help/mixer_applet2/C/mixer_applet2.xml:9: 
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docb

Re: [Cooker] 9b4.. major crash

2002-08-26 Thread newslett


I can testify that this works, I had to do this as well when I upgraded 
to b4 as well!! =) Now there's a new dev/makedev, damn. Too bad these 
xan't be upgraded on the fly like all rpms =(

Cheers,

Jason

Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:12:10 -
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Tried to upgrade from 9b3 to 9b4 using upgrade only...
>>everything went fine unitl creation of bootloader...:-(
>>mkinird failed...
>>
>>and now I am stuck rescue doesn't  get me anywhere.
>>
>>any idea before I reformat everything here...
> 
>  
> 
> Boot the B3 kernel Not the B4.
> Once you have delete the lilo.config entry for kernel-2419-5.
> rpm -e kernel-2.4.19.5.
> Manually install kernel-24.19.5 from B4 cd1, initrd image will be
> created. Edit lilo.config setting 2419-5 as default.
> Run lilo.
> Reboot.
> You should now boot to 2419-5 without problem.
> 
> 
> Charles
> 
> --
> The quantity of the food consumed is in direct ratio to your weight. 
>   -- For heavy dieters
> --
> Charles A Edwards
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
>

[Cooker] licq problem

2002-08-26 Thread newslett


I have just freshened to latest cooker and when I try and run licq from 
the menu, it doesn't start. When I call it from a terminal, it runs but 
I get this:

[root@host root]# licq
23:25:00: [WRN] Licq: Ignoring stale lockfile (pid 26053)

I have to keep the terminal open for it to stay running of course but 
aside from this error, it runs fine. If I can help with any other 
details let me know.

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] 9.0beta3: supermount cd woes

2002-08-21 Thread newslett


Konqueror also crashes first go after trying to view CD contents after 
first loading itfrom there on it's fine...h

Goetz Waschk wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 20. August 2002, 17:58:37 Uhr MET, schrieb Frank Griffin:
> 
>>If you load a CD, often (but not always) attempts to reference
>>/mnt/cdrom will result in "Input/output error".  This seems to happen
>>under 8.2 supermount if you eject a currently mounted CD and load
>>another one, but I had it happen on beta3 with the first CD I loaded
>>after reboot.  In that case, I'm guessing that the CD filesystem wasn't
>>completely mounted by the time I tried an "ls", but the error persisted
>>long after the CD access should have been complete, and was returned
>>immediately, i.e. I don't think it was actually trying to read the drive
>>and getting an error.
> 
> 
> I have the same problem with beta3, the 1st access to the CD-ROM after
> booting fails. After opening and closing the tray it starts to work again.

Re: [Cooker] gFTP Bug - causes crash

2002-08-20 Thread newslett


Mandrake: Will this be fixed by 9.0 Final??

Cheers,

Jason

Ryan wrote:
> This is a known bug that has been in gFTP for ages. It is due to some 
> mutex locking issues with threads. I worked on this a while back and had a 
> patch made, im not sure if this patch is still included in the cooker 
> version, furthermore Im not 100% sure if the patch works, but it worked 
> well in my testing.
> 
> If I get a chance (busy busy) I will check the cooker RPM to see if the 
> patch is included.
> 
> 
> -Ryan Kelley
> Icemaann
> 
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
>>I have encountered a repeatable bug in gFTP. If you have a list of files 
>>  set for download and you are in the middle of downloading those files, 
>>if you try and remove files from the list to be downloaded it crashes 
>>the program. Well, it actually freezes the program and it must be 
>>xkilled. It only happens after you've removed about 4-7 files from the 
>>list, never on the first one you try and remove. This has been occuring 
>>for some time in gFTP. I am fully freshened to latest cooker as of now. 
>>I am running gFTP from within KDE.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>
> 
>

[Cooker] gFTP Bug - causes crash

2002-08-20 Thread newslett


I have encountered a repeatable bug in gFTP. If you have a list of files 
  set for download and you are in the middle of downloading those files, 
if you try and remove files from the list to be downloaded it crashes 
the program. Well, it actually freezes the program and it must be 
xkilled. It only happens after you've removed about 4-7 files from the 
list, never on the first one you try and remove. This has been occuring 
for some time in gFTP. I am fully freshened to latest cooker as of now. 
I am running gFTP from within KDE.

Cheers,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Beta 3 CD's?

2002-08-19 Thread newslett


Check out http://www.linuxmax.orcon.net.nz/Products.html

They have an affiliate there who keeps up with and has available the 
very latest Mandrake stuff, including the beta's as they are available.

Regards,

Jason

Stephen Anderson wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the beta 3 CD's pre-burned.  My 
> system is having a hard time with the 700MB images.  I checked cheapbytes 
> but they're only up to beta 2.  Any help would be appreciated.  
> 
> 
>Stephen Anderson
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
>

Re: [Cooker] 9.0 Release Schedule??

2002-08-16 Thread newslett


Thanks!! =)

David Walser wrote:
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>Maybe I missed this but what are the 9.0 release
>>versions/dates 
>>(Betas/RC's/Final) scheduled (roughly) to be??
> 
> 
> Final == Sept. 5-10, somewhere in there.
> 
> I would expect betas/rcs to continue at the same rate,
> obviously there isn't time for too many more.
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs
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>

[Cooker] 9.0 Release Schedule??

2002-08-16 Thread newslett



Maybe I missed this but what are the 9.0 release versions/dates 
(Betas/RC's/Final) scheduled (roughly) to be??

Cheers,

Jason Greenwood

P.S. I ask so I know how long we have to test.

Re: [Cooker] ripperX still not encoding MP3's

2002-08-14 Thread newslett

Cheers, I noticed the notlame rpm just AFTER the email I sent...bugga!! 
Good to see we have options, even though they might be on the "fringe of 
legality" though I fully understand why Mandrake avoids such things in 
its distro & in Cooker.

Regards to all who helped with this issue.

Jason Greenwood

huug wrote:
> Today, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I found some of the encoders on the plf site but not LAME, where can
>>I find an RPM??
> 
> 
> It's there, but called "notlame", 'cause LAME (Linux Administration
> Made Easy) is already in Mandrake.
> 
> Type "urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://plf.zarb.org/cooker with hdlist.cz" at
> a root prompt and you'll be able to see plf package discriptions
> (even for uninstalled ones) in rpmdrake.  To bad the Cooker mirrors
> don't anymore..

Re: [Cooker] ripperX still not encoding MP3's

2002-08-14 Thread newslett


Why?? Is the MP3 format licensed?? There are plenty of freeware programs 
for emcoding MP3's in Windows, do they pay license fees?? And there are 
Open Source MP3 encoders, what precludes their inclusion in ML? Why is 
RipperX included in the distro then?? Just to rip waves and encode OGG 
files?? I think it is legal to RIP one's own CD's to MP3 for use on 
one's own PC, so I'm sorry if I don't see the problem here. Please 
enlighten me and others who may also wonder...

Cheers,

Jason

Buchan Milne wrote:
> No software in Mandrake should be able to write MP3s due to software 
> patents (see the cinerella thread for example).
> 
> Have you tried with ogg files? And does grip create MP3s? And if so, how?
> 
> ripperX may be a candidate for PLF of course ...
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> I have freshened to latest cooker as of now and ripperX will rip just 
>> fine to wave but it does not encode to MP3 using any of the encoding 
>> methods. It starts to and then switches of and says not encoding. At 
>> the end of ripping it states the song has been written to MP3 and the 
>> file created but the size of the file is always zero. This program 
>> beats the pants off of Grip IMHO so I think it's important it work 
>> properly for 9.0. Any ideas??
>>
>> The output isn't very helpful but here it is:
>>
>> [root@host root]# ripperX
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwindow.c: line 834 (gtk_window_destroy): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1070 
>> (gtk_object_get_data_by_id): assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason
>>
> 
>

Re: [Cooker] ripperX still not encoding MP3's

2002-08-14 Thread newslett


I found some of the encoders on the plf site but not LAME, where can I 
find an RPM??

Cheers,

Jason

Todd Franklin wrote:
> you need to install an encoder for it to work.  Lame is the most popular
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> I have freshened to latest cooker as of now and ripperX will rip just 
>> fine to wave but it does not encode to MP3 using any of the encoding 
>> methods. It starts to and then switches of and says not encoding. At 
>> the end of ripping it states the song has been written to MP3 and the 
>> file created but the size of the file is always zero. This program 
>> beats the pants off of Grip IMHO so I think it's important it work 
>> properly for 9.0. Any ideas??
>>
>> The output isn't very helpful but here it is:
>>
>> [root@host root]# ripperX
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwindow.c: line 834 (gtk_window_destroy): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1070 
>> (gtk_object_get_data_by_id): assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
>> assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

[Cooker] ripperX still not encoding MP3's

2002-08-13 Thread newslett


I have freshened to latest cooker as of now and ripperX will rip just 
fine to wave but it does not encode to MP3 using any of the encoding 
methods. It starts to and then switches of and says not encoding. At the 
end of ripping it states the song has been written to MP3 and the file 
created but the size of the file is always zero. This program beats the 
pants off of Grip IMHO so I think it's important it work properly for 
9.0. Any ideas??

The output isn't very helpful but here it is:

[root@host root]# ripperX

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwindow.c: line 834 (gtk_window_destroy): 
assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (object)' failed.

Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1070 
(gtk_object_get_data_by_id): assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkobject.c: line 1172 (gtk_object_unref): 
assertion `GTK_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed.

Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'

Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'

Gtk-WARNING **: invalid unclassed pointer in cast to `GtkObject'


Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] 9.0 Release Plan and Dates??

2002-08-13 Thread newslett


I searched ML online and couldn't find any info regarding the release 
plan for 9.0 (ie. what steps will there be, B3, RC1,2,3...???). I also 
could not find the target commercial release date for 9.0. I am just 
wondering how much time we have to find bugs and squash them ;)

Cheers,

Jason Greenwood

Re: [Cooker] Installer suggestion (one more)

2002-08-13 Thread newslett


Cheers Pixel. Does this mean the screen is gone or do you simply "tick" 
the groups of packages you want to upgrade and if they are installed it 
adds up the upgrade size and compares it to the size available??

Hasta~~

Jason

Pixel wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
>>And I have one more suggestion. I ran into this while upgrading via CD from
>>9.0 B1 to B2...when doing an "expert upgrade" and it comes to package
>>selection time it gets VERY confusing. If you select all the groups of
>>packages you want to upgrade by ticking next to them (and turn off individual
>>package selection) the installer ADDS the space needed to that for the space
>>needed to upgrade the already installed packages often making the amount
>>calculated more that the partition size.
> 
> 
> bug fixed in cooker
>

Re: [Cooker] Installer suggestion (one more)

2002-08-12 Thread newslett

And I have one more suggestion. I ran into this while upgrading via CD 
from 9.0 B1 to B2...when doing an "expert upgrade" and it comes to 
package selection time it gets VERY confusing. If you select all the 
groups of packages you want to upgrade by ticking next to them (and turn 
off individual package selection) the installer ADDS the space needed to 
that for the space needed to upgrade the already installed packages 
often making the amount calculated more that the partition size. To 
avoid this, you must untick everything then it calculates only the 
amount of space needed to upgrade the installed packages. I would 
venture to say this screen is not even necessary when doing an update as 
once installed packages are detected and updates on the CD are found to 
be available shouldn't it just start updating them??

I had to figure out what the heck the installer was doing before I could 
proceed. NOT good for newbies.

Cheers,

Jason

allen wrote:
> I would like to 2nd this concept.
> 
> 
> Also I would like to add a little something for some day in the future, 
> maybe...
> 
> Follow the thought, it would be too hard to describe otherwise...
> 
> 1.  Say CD1 is a minimal installer and a file system, rudimentary, ready to 
> go.  ( And yes, I've actually created such a thing on contract for a 
> company in the Northwest so I know this pretty well... )
> 
> 2.  You do the "install" and partition, and format, and BL !
> 
>  Your whole entire basic file system is copied over ready to go.
> 
> 3.  Reboot.
> 
> 4.  Now add the things you want.
> 
> How hard is that ?  
> 
> I don't want to start a flame thing, but compared to this sort of capability, 
> initially, I do not like rpm's.
> 
> This sort of "install" is a LOT faster, a LOT LOT faster.
> 
> Heck, you could even fit a few more architecture specific base file systems
> on there...  Maybe just X needs to "go on" the rpm way initially...
> 
> Is the rpms thing really so necessary all the way "from the beginning" ?
> 
> ( Humble and sincere question )
> 
> The other thing is that perhaps you really don't need to download a whole
> bunch of ISO's.  Maybe just part of one.  The rest can install itself as 
> needed over the net...  uprmi.addmedia (somewhere)  urpmi.finishinstalling ;)
> 
> ?
> 
> -AEF
> 
> 
> On Monday 12 August 2002 08:18 pm, Austin Acton wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>Hello!
>>
>>I only have one request to add to v9.0 in the installer. I want an
>>"Install All" button - ala Redhat. Disks are cheap. The time required to
>>get the system fully operational isn't. Having an install all capability
>>would be a real productivity enhancer for one-off configurations.
>>
>>It would be even nicer if all extra services beyond those required to
>>normally operate the system are OFF by default when installed. That way,
>>you don't soak up memory and add more security holes. (At least until
>>the software is configured
> 
> 
>

Re: [Cooker] Ugly and nonergonomic rpmdrake !!!

2002-08-12 Thread newslett

I am just wondering, and I'd like a response from the Cooker team here, 
what would it take to bring the old rpmdrake back?? I haven't seen 
anyone ask this yet and the consensus seems to be the old one was 
better. Ok, some don't MIND the new one but I don't think I've seen one 
person say it's actually BETTER the current way. If the beta testers 
feel this way (me included) what will the public at large think?? Yes, I 
know, they may not have seen the old software manager to compare but 
should that be the point?? Shouldn't those of us that use this OS on a 
regular basis be the ones who influence its future?? If not,then why 
have beta testers?? Just to test features ML decides are best or to have 
an impact on the direction of the distro as a whole?? Just some questions.

Cheers,

Jason Greenwood

PS, either way, 9.0 will rock, thanx Cookers!!

Austin Acton wrote:
> Hate to say it, but I totally agree.
> Is this new mess REALLY easier to use?
> I just don't see how...
> Austin
> 
> On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 15:52, Mircea Ciocan wrote:
> 
>>  OK, I could live without the breezecom driver but today I updated 
>>cooker fron Saturday and saw what becomed of rpmdrake, and with all due 
>>respect for the coders is a steaming pile of sh..t, please explain to a 
>>guy who LOVED the the 8.1/8.2 style, why for God sake was necessary to 
>>butcher such a nice and functional utility and transform it in such a 
>>nonfunctional garbage 
>>  I mean those ridicolus dialogs, the imposibility of setting your own 
>>mirror, the butt ugly presentation of packages and so on, was anybody 
>>complainig that the previous incarnation was to good or what ???
>>  I really can explain why was necesary to destroy on of the strongest 
>>points of selling of that distribution and endlessly confuse ordinary 
>>people converted to Linux that started to undersand to like it.
>>  Even more, is that the old interface available somewhere, could it be 
>>possible to have an old style rpm or what contribution or lobby is 
>>necesarry to revert to the old and nice style of rpmdrake, I have a 
>>strong feeling that I'm not the only one who wants back the old and nice 
>>interface.
>>
>>  Mircea C.
>>
>>P.S. On a side note cooker insalled flawlessly on my crappy Dell 
>>Latitude and it works very well, also the today update made via urpmi 
>>--auto-select ( sniff, snifff ;)
>>
> 
> 
>

Re: [Cooker] new rpmdrake problems

2002-08-09 Thread newslett



And being able to "browse" to the local source was a great feature that
I sorely miss. It was also much easier in the "old days" because the app
found the hdlist for you within the source if it was there, which was a
nice feature. Please bring it back!! Adding/Editing sources is now a
real pain.

Cheers,

Jason

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
 > On Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:17:31 +0200
 > Rghetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 >
 >>Some things I really miss from old rpmdrake:
 >>
 >> - it was a single application: having to open multiple apps is a real
 >> pain.
 >>
 >> - 'updates only' filter, the 'updated' icon and the curr. inst.
 >> version
 >>
 >> - changelog and file list, I use them a lot
 >>
 >> - search by description
 >
 >
 > I agree. The old one was more useful.
 >
 > Also, I've found a nit with adding sources. With the old rpmdrake, I
 > could have a directory with rpms from various sources. I could define
 > the directory as a "source" but as there was no "hdlist," I could leave
 > that blank and rpmdrake would build a list (the synthesis I believe it's
 > called). So I could easily use rpmdrake to install rpms from this or
 > that source and have it handle the dependencies and such.
 >
 > With the new one, I tried the same thing by defining a directory that
 > had various rpms then tried adding it as a source. The "software sources
 > manager" wouldn't let me leave the hdlist field blank. I had to enter
 > something bogus, let it fail to find the hdlist, then edit the entry to
 > blank the field. THEN it went and scanned the directory and built a
 > list.
 >
 > I keep a set of rpms of applications and such that I use off in a
 > partition that I leave intact between installs and upgrades. Being able
 > to use rpmdrake to manage those is very useful. But there's no "hdlist"
 > because the directory is an ad hoc collection which changes as I throw
 > away or add apps and etc.
 >
 > Mark
 >

[Cooker] Mandrake and Winmodems

2002-08-04 Thread newslett


Dear Cooker Team,

I want to raise an issue with the cooker team regarding Winmodems. I 
recommend Mandrake to everyone I know. As such I get calls to help with 
installs all the time. These people are ALWAYS encouraged by me to 
either buy ML or join the club. They almost always do once they see how 
great ML is. I would say that as the premiere desktop distro, a 
concerted effort should be made to support winmodems when possible and 
include all available drivers in the distro along with the tools to 
autodetect them and install as appropriate. I would say that at least 
70-80% of my installs run into a winmodem problem. A newbie has no clue 
how to go to linmodems.org and get drivers/install etc.

When these winmodems are detected, the installer simply suggests the 
cryptic "please visit linmodems.org for more information" or something 
to that effect. Why are the available winmodem drivers not simply 
included in the distro?? This would be a major plus if Mandrake added 
this and it would put it even further ahead of the other desktop 
oriented distros. This one sticking point has always concerned me and as 
I run into this problem more and more I thought this feature would be 
EXTREMELY useful to myself and many others who use/recommend ML.

Thank you ALL for your hard work and dedication to making the best Linux 
  distro possible but please can we make some progress in this area for 
9.0??

Kind Regards,

Jason Greenwood

Re: [Cooker] Linuxconfig in 9.0B1

2002-08-01 Thread newslett


That is correct, but it DOES install it when you select to install 
gnome...sorry, forgot to mention that bit ;-) I only installed KDE and 
some light WM'ssorry gnomers, my favorite gnome aint...ahhh the 
choice with Linux

Cheers,

Jason

Daouda LO wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
>>I have upgraded to the latest cooker from 9.0B1 but I thought I'd
>>mention something. In the full 9.0B1 install it installs Linuxconfig,
>>but only the command line version and there is no KMenu entry for it
>>in KDE. Linuxconfig is a very helpful tool in many situations and I
>>suggest that by default the gnome-linuxconfig GUI version be installed
>>by default as well, along with its KMenu entry. Just my .02c worth.
> 
> 
> should be fixed now.
> 
> Could you confirm that you didn't have gnome installed?
>

Re: [Cooker] Software Manager Bug

2002-07-31 Thread newslett

I second that!! I can't wait! I HOPE it updates sources 
properly to FINALLY list any RPM updates in the sources.

Looking forward to giving her a test drive!!

Cheers,

Jason

PS finally something to brag about to "those" Red Carpet users!!

David Walser wrote:
> --- Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>The new simplified rpmdrake is coming. Coding is
>>finished, I'll
>>make final tests tomorrow and the package will go to
>>Cooker. It
>>already has nearly all the final features.
> 
> 
> Great news!  You're awesome GC.  What's the status on
> MandrakeUpdate?  It's not still inextricably tied to
> rpmdrake is it?
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
> http://health.yahoo.com
>

[Cooker] Software Manager Bug

2002-07-30 Thread newslett


In the latest Software Manager/RPM Drake if you are adding a new source 
and you select local and then eneter the rest of the data it locks up 
when you say ok. If you stay with the default selection (ie. removable) 
it doesn't. Quite a pain if you want a source to be on your local drive.

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] 9.0B1 Packages missing

2002-07-30 Thread newslett


Why in 9.0B1 are things like Open Office (also Abi word if I recall) 
missing?? There was more than enough room on CD3 (there was only like 
5ooMB on it I think) for more cooker packages. I was just wondering if 
upon release, 9.0 will have all the great cooker software that is stable 
at the time??

Cheers,
Jason

[Cooker] Mozilla Spell Checker Dependency Omission Error

2002-07-30 Thread newslett




Latest Cooker Mozilla Spellchecker (-9) can be installed with no other
dependency requirements. However, it relies on the Myspell dictionaries
for spellchecking. In the latest cooker, I installed the spellchecker
RPM but had to install the Myspell dict.(en_US) RPM and copy the .aff
and .dic files from /usr/lib/myspell to
/usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.0/components/myspell for it to work correctly. The
dict needs to be built into the mozilla spellchecker RPM IMHO, otherwise
another dict RPM needs to be added to the standalone Mozilla RPM
packages for all to work well.

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] ripperX

2002-07-28 Thread newslett


Still not encoding to MP3 after ripping to wave, even when using any of 
the encoding methods.

Cheers,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] 9.0 Feature request

2002-07-24 Thread newslett


Thanks everyone for their ideas, I'll put them to good use ;-)

I just thought a Mandrake utility to do this might be nice for Newbies, 
that's allbesides, I just wanted my idea for the term "Drakextract" 
to get used hehe.

Cheers,

Jason

Radek Vybiral wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Brendon Oliver wrote:
> 
> 
>>Easy from the command line:
>>
>>rpm2cpio {file.rpm} | cpio -ivd {file/to/extract}
>>
>>I've done this several times without a hitch.  It will extract the file(s) to 
>>your current dir.
>>
>>You may want to check the file & path names first, in which case:
>>
>>rpm2cpio | cpio -ivt | less
>>
>>pick the file(s) you want and you're set.
>>
> 
> 
> Use "mc" (Midnight Commander), press Enter on the RPM package and extract
> all of files what you need...
> 
> R.V.
> 
>

[Cooker] Mozilla link within email issue


When an email is open in Mozilla, and there is a URL link in the email, 
you may click on it to open a browser window. However, if you right 
click and try to "open link in new window" it does not work. If a window 
is open and you simply left click on the link, it hijacks the open 
window and opens the link there. Irritating to say the least.

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] 9.0 Feature request



Can Mandrake provide a GUI utility for extracting specific files from an 
RPM package without installing the RPM?? AFAIK, you must install an RPM, 
extract the file you want, then uninstall the RPM. A GUI utility 
(perhaps drakextract?) to accomplish this would be very usefull. Anyone 
else agree??

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] kwave


Why was KWave taken out of the distro?? Will it be back??

Gnoise is ok but is not as full featured. Also, in gnoise you cannot 
select a certain point in the wave to start playing from, you must play 
it from the beginning, very annoying. You can select an area of the wave 
to play but this is not as good.

Please bring kwave back!!

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] ripperX MP3 encoding issue



In the latest ripperX when you are trying to rip and encode to MP3 (any 
MP3 encoder) it starts to rip the wav file and says it is going to 
encode the MP3 but abrubtly stops encoding the MP3 and you end up with a 
0 byte MP3 file.It rips wav's fine but the MP3 encoding does not work.

Cheers,

Jason

P.S. It worked in the previous version.

[Cooker] Cooker Mail Server Problem

2002-07-15 Thread newslett


I keep getting an undelivered mail, returned to sender message when I 
submit to the cooker list. However, the emails are actually going 
through as I receive a copy of it in my inbox from the list so I think 
there must be a problem on the Mandrake end. Just FYI...

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] Mozilla Inter-App font size issues

2002-07-15 Thread newslett



Hi Cooker Team,

I wrote a while back regarding the extremely small font size (approx 
8-10 pt.) of fonts (and associated readability problems) within Mozilla 
and the fact that these are not AFAIK configurable. I also talked about 
the fact that in Netscape 6x/7x they display fine (approx. 12 pt.). I 
didn't see a response to this on the cooker list tho I may have just 
missed it. Please advise of what can be done to reslove this issue for 
those with poor sight or who want larger fonts within the app.

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] libkio-gcc2.96.so.4??

2002-07-15 Thread newslett



I thought this file was supposed to be in KDELIBS but I don't seem to 
see it there. If I am wrong, where is it to be located??  I have a some 
programs calling for it...

Cheers,

Jason

[Cooker] Mozilla/Mail Display Font Size Issues

2002-07-10 Thread newslett



Maybe I am missing something here but if you compare font sizes between 
Mozilla and Netscape 6x/7x, they are very different.

For example, in Mozilla mail, the fonts on the mail folder names are so 
small that they are difficult to read. In Netscape they are fine (approx 
12 pt.). There is also no way to adjust this display size in Mozilla 
that I've found. The font size/type mods only affect web pages that are 
displayed, not anything else within the app. I have a friend that uses 
Mozilla that has poor vision and he is getting frustrated at the 
inability to change the font size. Am I missing it, or does this feature 
need to be added??

Regards,

Jason G.

Re: [Cooker] Avifile Player Problems]

2002-07-03 Thread newslett


Thanks for the information and tips, I went to the PLF site and did as 
you said. This is what happens when I play the same file:
It appears to just start and then it segfaults. Here is the output:

[root@localhost root]# aviplay
 : Avifile CVS-020614-05:22-3.1.1
 : Available CPU flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic 
sep mtrr pge mca cmov mmx
 : 300.69 MHz Pentium II (Klamath) processor detected
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
 : Debug is on 0
 : Checking: /e/Windstar/Videos/(Filename Deleted)
 : AVIMainHeader: MicroSecPerFrame=4 MaxBytesPerSec=276769
 PaddingGranularity=0  Flags=[ HAS_INDEX TRUST_CKTYPE ] TotalFrames=623
 InitialFrames=0  Streams=2  SuggestedBufferSize=274743 WxH=320x240
 Scale=0  Rate=0  Start=0  Length=0
 : AVIStreamHeader: FccType=vids FccHandler=iv50 Flags=[ ]
 InitialFrames=0 Scale=40 Rate=1000 Start=0 Length=623
 SuggestedBufferSize=15328 Quality=8800 SampleSize=0 Rect 
l,r,t,b=0,320,0,240
 : AVIStreamHeader: FccType=auds FccHandler=0x0 Flags=[ ]
 InitialFrames=0 Scale=1 Rate=11025 Start=0 Length=274743
 SuggestedBufferSize=274743 Quality=1 SampleSize=1 Rect l,r,t,b=0,0,0,0
 : Reading index from 5533340
 : Stream 0 vids : 0x30357669 (iv50) 623 chunks (9.73KB)
 : Stream 1 auds : 0x1 (PCM) 1 chunks (0.02KB)
 : Creating cache for file descriptor: 7
 : Initialized video stream 0 (chunk tblsz: 623, fmtsz: 40)
 : Initialized audio stream 0 (chunk tblsz: 274743, fmtsz: 18)
 : Successfully opened /e/Windstar/Videos/(Filename Deleted)
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/ac3pass.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/audiodec.so:  A/V 6/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/ffmpeg.so:  A/V 2/8
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mad_audiodec.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mjpeg.so:  A/V 0/1
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mpeg_audiodec.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/vorbis_audio.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/win32.so:  A/V 13/48
 : Installed fs segment: 0x4001f000
 : External func OLEAUT32.dll:161
 : Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: OLEAUT32.dll, 
/usr/lib/win32/OLEAUT32.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/OLEAUT32.dll
 : External func OLEAUT32.dll:163
 : Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: OLEAUT32.dll, 
/usr/lib/win32/OLEAUT32.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/OLEAUT32.dll
Using DirectShow codec: ir50_32.dll
 : Decoder is capable of YUV output ( flags 0x87 )
 : Indeo(r) Video 5.0 DirectShow video decoder created
 : !!!Running video decoder as ROOT - Dangerous!!!
 : Video thread - using scheduler: SCHED_FIFO
 : SDL Video driver: x11
 : Created surface: 320 x 240  15 bits
 : Creating YUV overlay 320x240, fourcc 0x32595559 (YUY2)
 : No hardware YUV acceleration detected!
 : *** Using SDL software YUV emulation ***
  Usually most codecs supports RGB modes - so you may
  achieve better performance with disabled YUV flag
 : XV port: 0
X Error: XvBadPort 152
  Major opcode:  142
  Resource id:  0x0
 : Loading subfont: 
"-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-160-100-100-p-*-iso8859-*"
 : Failed to open X11 font
 : Will try audio renderers in this order: OSS,SDL,noaudio
 : PCM audio decoder created
 : src fmt=0x01 1ch 11025Hz  8b  11025B/s balign=1 cbsz=0
 : dst fmt=0x01 1ch 11025Hz  8b  11025B/s balign=1 cbsz=0
 : OSS audio renderer:  frags:  9  size:4096  buffer: 36864
 : Player started
Segmentation fault
[root@localhost root]#

Any ideas??

Cheers,

Jason

Goetz Waschk wrote:

>Am Donnerstag,  4. Juli 2002, 00:01:11 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>>Thanks for the ideas, I answer your questions below...
>>
>>>AVI is just a container, there can be different formats inside. Why
>>>don't you look up the format of the files that don't play anymore. 
>>>
>>I don't know how to do this, sorry...
>>
>Avifile prints the format ID called FourCC to the terminal. It's also
>in the properties window of the video clip.
>
>>>You
>>>need extra plugins for formats that aren't implemented as native
>>>decoders. 
>>>
>>I don't see any other avifile player plugins listed in the RPM's list 
>>like I do for XINE, am I mssing something?
>>
>
>The other plugins cannot be shipped in the Mandrake package for legal
>reasons. You have to download them yourself from http://plf.zarb.org
>
>>[root@localhost root]# aviplay
>> : AVIStreamHeader: FccType=vids FccHandler=iv50 Flags=[ ]
>>
>  
>that's the fourcc.
>
>> : CreateVideoDecoder(): Unknown codec 0x30355649 = "IV50"
>>
>
>There is no native IV50 codec for avifile. You have to use the windows
>dll (just install avifile-plugins-win32 of the same version as your
>avifile and win32-codecs, both on the plf site).
>
>CU
>

Re: [Cooker] Avifile Player Problems]

2002-07-03 Thread newslett


Thanks for the ideas, I answer your questions below...

>>
>>do you have the library package of the same version installed? I'm
>>running the same version without problems.
>>Try
>>rpm -qa|fgrep avifile
>>

[root@localhost root]# rpm -qa|fgrep avifile
avifile-player-0.7.7-0.20020614.1mdk
libavifile0.7-0.7.7-0.20020614.1mdk
[root@localhost root]#

>
>
> 
>
>>Are there other plugins I need to install??  As I said, I am playing 
>>only avi files with the player and it now only plays some correctly, 
>>whereas it used to play all of my avi's fine. The ones it no longer 
>>plays properly play the audio but no video. This is as of the latest update.
>>
>
>AVI is just a container, there can be different formats inside. Why
>don't you look up the format of the files that don't play anymore. 
>

I don't know how to do this, sorry...

>You
>need extra plugins for formats that aren't implemented as native
>decoders. 
>

I don't see any other avifile player plugins listed in the RPM's list 
like I do for XINE, am I mssing something?

>But this doesn't include DivX and releated formats, they
>play fine with the core plugins.
>
>You can also provide me with the output of aviplay. 
>

[root@localhost root]# aviplay
 : Avifile CVS-020614-05:22-3.1.1
 : Available CPU flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic 
sep mtrr pge mca cmov mmx
 : 300.69 MHz Pentium II (Klamath) processor detected
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
 : Debug is on 0
 : Checking: /e/Windstar/Videos/(Filename Deleted)
 : AVIMainHeader: MicroSecPerFrame=4 MaxBytesPerSec=276769
 PaddingGranularity=0  Flags=[ HAS_INDEX TRUST_CKTYPE ] TotalFrames=623
 InitialFrames=0  Streams=2  SuggestedBufferSize=274743 WxH=320x240
 Scale=0  Rate=0  Start=0  Length=0
 : AVIStreamHeader: FccType=vids FccHandler=iv50 Flags=[ ]
 InitialFrames=0 Scale=40 Rate=1000 Start=0 Length=623
 SuggestedBufferSize=15328 Quality=8800 SampleSize=0 Rect 
l,r,t,b=0,320,0,240
 : AVIStreamHeader: FccType=auds FccHandler=0x0 Flags=[ ]
 InitialFrames=0 Scale=1 Rate=11025 Start=0 Length=274743
 SuggestedBufferSize=274743 Quality=1 SampleSize=1 Rect l,r,t,b=0,0,0,0
 : Reading index from 5533340
 : Stream 0 vids : 0x30357669 (iv50) 623 chunks (9.73KB)
 : Stream 1 auds : 0x1 (PCM) 1 chunks (0.02KB)
 : Creating cache for file descriptor: 7
 : Initialized video stream 0 (chunk tblsz: 623, fmtsz: 40)
 : Initialized audio stream 0 (chunk tblsz: 274743, fmtsz: 18)
 : Successfully opened /e/Windstar/Videos/(Filename Deleted)
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/ac3pass.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/audiodec.so:  A/V 6/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/ffmpeg.so:  A/V 2/8
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mad_audiodec.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mjpeg.so:  A/V 0/1
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/mpeg_audiodec.so:  A/V 1/0
 : /usr/lib/avifile0.7/vorbis_audio.so:  A/V 1/0
 : CreateVideoDecoder(): Unknown codec 0x30355649 = "IV50"
 : IAviPlayer: FATAL: Failed to initialize decoder object
 : No video will be available
 : Will try audio renderers in this order: OSS,SDL,noaudio
 : PCM audio decoder created
 : src fmt=0x01 1ch 11025Hz  8b  11025B/s balign=1 cbsz=0
 : dst fmt=0x01 1ch 11025Hz  8b  11025B/s balign=1 cbsz=0
 : OSS audio renderer:  frags:  9  size:4096  buffer: 36864
 : Player started
 : Closing clip
 : Destroy... (Total accesses 2, hits 0.00%, misses 50.00%, 
errors 50.00%)
[root@localhost root]#

Sorry, had to delete the filename for legal reasons ;-)

>Another test:
>remove your $HOME/.avirc and try it again.
>

Tried it but it didn't fix my problem =(

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Jason

P.S. Don't ping me for running as root, it's my devel partition... =)

Re: [Cooker] XINE no audio]

2002-07-03 Thread newslett


Thanks!! That did it, just removing the config file and letting XINE 
rewrite it did the trick...sorry to bother you... =)

Goetz Waschk wrote:

>Am Mittwoch,  3. Juli 2002, 15:19:22 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>>I have done this already to no avail, I have all plugins and XINE RPMs 
>>installed and updated. As far as I can recall, it worked fine right up 
>>until the latest XINE update. It plays video in all supported formats 
>>great, just without sound.
>>
>
>>I know the SB is ok because I can play music via XMMS. If I have left 
>>out anything or if you have any ideas let me know and I will try and do 
>>them asap.
>>
>
>Hi,
>
>you still haven't supplied me with a detailed description. Send me the
>output of xine on the terminal. Have you selected the right audio
>plugin in the configuration dialog? Do you have sound in xine without
>KDE running? Try to start it without esd or artsd running in a
>different environment, e.g. icewm. Finally you can try to remove your
>configuration file ( $HOME/.xine ) and let xine regenerate it.
>
>
>CU
>

Re: [Cooker] XINE no audio]







   I have done this already to no avail, I have all plugins and XINE RPMs
installed and updated. As far as I can recall, it worked fine right up until
the latest XINE update. It plays video in all supported formats great, just
without sound.

 I am running the latest Cooker on a PII 300 MHz system with 512MB RAM and 
a Sound Blaster Soundcard.

 I know the SB is ok because I can play music via XMMS. If I have left out 
anything or if you have any ideas let me know and I will try and do them asap.

 Cheers,

 Jason

 Goetz Waschk wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  Am Mittwoch,  3. Juli 2002, 01:08:00 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
In the latest Cooker, XINE plays video fine but there is no audioanyone else having this problem??I am running it under a fully updated Cooker system with the latest KDE3...

Try to install and enable the xine-arts audio output plugin. If itstill doesn't work, provide me with a detailed problem description.

Re: [Cooker] Avifile Player Problems]





   I am running:

 Name    : avifile-player
 Version : 0.7.7
 Release : 0.20020614.1mdk

 Are there other plugins I need to install??  As I said, I am playing only 
avi files with the player and it now only plays some correctly, whereas it 
used to play all of my avi's fine. The ones it no longer plays properly play 
the audio but no video. This is as of the latest update.

 Cheers,

 Jason

 Goetz Waschk wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  Am Mittwoch,  3. Juli 2002, 01:11:50 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
In the latest Cooker Avifile player, it will only play some AVI files but not others. Well, it plays them but there is audio only but no video. I have a few files that the previous avifile player played fine but on those same files I only get audio now.

Give us a detailed problem description. What avifile packages/pluginshave you installed? What are the formats of the files that don't playanymore?

[Cooker] Avifile Player Problems


In the latest Cooker Avifile player, it will only play some AVI files 
but not others. Well, it plays them but there is audio only but no 
video. I have a few files that the previous avifile player played fine 
but on those same files I only get audio now.

I am running a fully updated Cooker box (to July 2) and am running it 
under KDE 3.

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] XINE no audio


In the latest Cooker, XINE plays video fine but there is no 
audioanyone else having this problem??

I am running it under a fully updated Cooker system with the latest KDE3...

[Cooker] K3B Crash

2002-07-01 Thread newslett



While trying to add files to a data compilation, K3B crashed.

I am using K3B cooker version 0.7-2 under the latest Cooker KDE3.

Here is the ourtput fron the Backtrace:

(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New 
Thread 1024 (LWP 2681)]

0x41579b49 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#0  0x41579b49 in wait4 () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#1  0x415f67d8 in sys_sigabbrev () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#2  0x413bc9e3 in waitpid () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
#3  0x40b103f5 in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) (sig=11) at 
kcrash.cpp:224
#4  0x413ba40b in pthread_sighandler () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
#5  0x41504348 in sigaction () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
#6  0x405d96b2 in KDirWatchPrivate::checkFAMEvent(FAMEvent*) 
(this=0x8274638,
fe=0x407587c0) at kdirwatch.cpp:1043
#7  0x405d903e in KDirWatchPrivate::famEventReceived() (this=0x8274638)
at kdirwatch.cpp:956
#8  0x405dd3b8 in KDirWatchPrivate::qt_invoke(int, QUObject*) 
(this=0x8274638,
_id=3, _o=0xfe00) at kdirwatch_p.moc:86
#9  0x40e35a25 in QObject::activate_signal(QConnectionList*, QUObject*) ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#10 0xb33c in ?? ()


Kind Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] MCC - Feature Request

2002-06-21 Thread newslett





   Couldn't it be integrated as an option into the MCC LILO setup regardless 
of runlevel/security level? Say, add a check box for a LILO password and if
ticked, root can set it...
 Just an idea
Daouda LO wrote:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
To make booting more secure I suggest under mcc>boot>boot config, youput the option to setup a password for LILO. This would lock down theboot process and make it more secure to avoid the possibility of linux-s mode etc. 

the feature exists but it'll shownonly if you are in security level 4 at least.Otherwise you should set it manually and change the /etc/lilo.confpermissions to be readable only by root.

[Cooker] Lataest Cooker - SU Konsole must be XKilled

2002-06-20 Thread newslett



Trying to close the window does not work, the process has to be killed 
manually.

[Cooker] Latest Cooker - MCC LILO config still broken

2002-06-20 Thread newslett



When trying to delete an entry from lilo config it says:
Installation of LILO failed. The following error occured:

But it then does not list any kind of error.  This has been happening 
for the last few Cooker updates.

I have to manually edit the LILO config to remove the entries by hand.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] guarddog-1.9.15-2mdk

2002-06-12 Thread newslett




I use it, works great for me...realttime monitoring would b nice tho... ;-)

Oden Eriksson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  On Wednesday 12 June 2002 22.45, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
  
[Contrib-RPM]--=-=-=Name: guarddog Relocations: (not relocateable)Version : 1.9.15Vendor: MandrakeSoftRelease : 2mdk  Build Date: Wed Jun 12 23:26:17

Is it any good?

[Cooker] Consoles wont close normally

2002-06-09 Thread newslett


When I am doing work in a console (Konsole, Xterm etc.) and then I try 
and close the console it won't close normally.  I have to kill the 
program manually via XKill or other means...any one else experiencing this??

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] Avifile Player Not working

2002-06-09 Thread newslett


It installed fine and is on the menu but once run and a file is 
selected, the dialog box/play buttons stay up but the video file never 
actually plays.  Any ideas??

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] AbiWord crashes

2002-06-09 Thread newslett




Thanks!!  That did the trick.  I assume this issue is being addressed??

Murray J. Root wrote:

  On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 18:02:42 +1200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Abi Word crashes with the latest version.  It opens fine but once trying to type or cut and paste anything into a document the program crashes and closes itself.

turn off spell-checking

[Cooker] AbiWord crashes

2002-06-08 Thread newslett



Abi Word crashes with the latest version.  It opens fine but once trying 
to type or cut and paste anything into a document the program crashes 
and closes itself.

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] Multiple File Versions on mirror

2002-06-06 Thread newslett


Why are there multiple versions of automake and autoconf on the cooker 
mirrors??

[Cooker] Weird KDE3 Desktop Icon Behavior

2002-05-28 Thread newslett



On the latest KDE3, after I have placed my icons on the desktop where I 
want them to be and log out saving the session while doing so, when I 
log back in, my icons are lined up in 2 rows at the top of the desktop. 
 I have tried also selecting to arrange the icons via the various 
arrangement options but once again on logout/in, it rearranges them 
automatically to the top of the desktop.

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] FYI Dead Apps. on latest KDE3

2002-05-28 Thread newslett



KDE3 Koffice (Kword etc.) and WINE are both dead under the new KDE3.
Korganizer is gone too from Koffice.

Cheers,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Enigmail

2002-05-06 Thread newslett




Maybe I missed it but I don't think the Cooker Team responded to these questions.
 Are these not appropriate to the Cooker List??

Regards,

Jason

Buchan Milne wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hi Cooker Team,I was wondering when the enigmail plugins for Mozilla will be made partof Cooker/the distro?  Maybe I missed them but I didn't see them on themirrors anywhere.  I would be great to have them included as they wouldmake encrypting email in Mozilla so much easier.

Calendar (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar) and the preferences bar fromxulplanet.com, and either the http://googlebar.mozdev.org or thehttp://easysearch.mozdev.org would also be useful. I have checked enigmail out ofcvs, but haven't gottend around to trying to build an rpm yet ...Bucahn

Re: [Cooker] Enigmail

2002-05-05 Thread newslett




I agree, would like to know what the cooker teams plans are for enigmail
etc...

Buchan Milne wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hi Cooker Team,I was wondering when the enigmail plugins for Mozilla will be made partof Cooker/the distro?  Maybe I missed them but I didn't see them on themirrors anywhere.  I would be great to have them included as they wouldmake encrypting email in Mozilla so much easier.

Calendar (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar) and the preferences bar fromxulplanet.com, and either the http://googlebar.mozdev.org or thehttp://easysearch.mozdev.org would also be useful. I have checked enigmail out ofcvs, but haven't gottend around to trying to build an rpm yet ...Bucahn

[Cooker] Enigmail

2002-05-05 Thread newslett



Hi Cooker Team,

I was wondering when the enigmail plugins for Mozilla will be made part 
of Cooker/the distro?  Maybe I missed them but I didn't see them on the 
mirrors anywhere.  I would be great to have them included as they would 
make encrypting email in Mozilla so much easier.

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] kernel-2.4.18.9mdk

2002-04-09 Thread newslett


There seems to be a few problems with this latest kernel but I for one 
love it.  It's the first cooker kernel in approx the last 5 that has 
enabled my soundblaster card to be found and configured to work with 
sndconfig.  A huge thanks to the cooker team as it's nice to have sound 
again after a few months without it.

Danny Tholen wrote:

>
>hmmm..let me correct this..I get these errors also on a clean 8.2, what is happening?
>VM seems seriously broken!
>
>Danny
>
>
>On Tuesday 09 April 2002 07:45 pm, you wrote:
>
>>This kernel has more strange problems. When starting kcontrol (from
>>texstar KDE3)
>>it manages to screw up terribly with:
>>__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)
>>than it seems to fill up my memory untill the VM starts killing the
>>process, or X entirely.
>>
>>2.4.18.6, same config, runs without problems.
>>
>>Danny
>>
>>On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Matti Kerttula wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all
>>>
>>>The latest kernel package broke my network connection. I got only under
>>>1% of the usual bandwidth. Problem went away when I reverted to
>>>kernel-2.4.18.6mdk.
>>>
>>>I'm Using pcnet32 driver.
>>>
>>>Though my setup is still Mandrake 8.1 something patched with cooker
>>>packages (Ok ok spare me), this is the _first_ problem I've had when
>>>updating kernel with rpms from cooker.
>>>
>>>-Matti
>>>
>

[Cooker] 8.2 upgrade problem

2002-03-24 Thread newslett



Hi cookers,

I am upgrading a friends PC from Madrake 6.x to 8.2.  Once the upgrade 
had completed and I tried to boot, I got an error.

Init: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes.

After the five minutes it tries to complete the boot sequence but gets 
the same error.  Any idea why this happens or of a workaround?  I'd 
prefer to avoid a full reinstall if possible.

Also, it seems to be a problem only with x as you can manually go into a 
terminal window despite the error.

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Sound problems in 8.2betas

2002-02-28 Thread newslett




Yes, well Kind of ;)

Sound services and ALSA are set to start at boot but ALSA doesn't seem to
start.  When I go to MCC and try to start it manually it simply syas "ALSA
driver isn't running" but it fails to activate it when I press the start
button.

Thierry Vignaud wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Same here, ever since the first beta install I've had nosound...I've tried everything the list has reccomended.

have you enabled alsa & sound services ?

Re: [Cooker] Sound problems in 8.2betas

2002-02-28 Thread newslett




No, desktop, Pentium II 300 MHz, 512 MB SDRAM, Asus P3V133 PC 133 Motherboard,
SB 16 Soundcard

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  On Thu, 28 Feb, at 10:08:01 +1300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> done said:
  
   Same here, ever since the first beta install I've had no sound...I've   tried everything the list has reccomended.

Is this also on a laptop?

Re: [Cooker] Sound problems in 8.2betas

2002-02-27 Thread newslett




Same here, ever since the first beta install I've had no sound...I've tried
everything the list has reccomended.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  On Wed, 27 Feb, at 23:06:26 +0800, Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> done said:
  
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Wed, 27 Feb, at 09:37:23 +0100, Stefan Siegel 
  
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> done said:
  

  Start aumix to see if the master volume is set to 0.
  
  
  
Yeah, that was my first thought too.  I turned everything up as high asit could go, but still nothing.

All unmuted? Used alsamixer for an ALSA system?

Yep, I turned everything up full blash and still no love.  I fired upalsamixer and turned everything up there too, but nada.Quite frustrating,-Charlie

Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?

2002-02-27 Thread newslett




I use NS 6.2 so I don't miss 4 but I have to say that I do miss the images
button, it's so nice to turn them on and off at will...

garrick wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
  Same here, add my vote to the "ns4 just crashes alot" listOn Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 09:43:27PM -0500, Dave Seff alleged:
  
I won't miss it. On Friday 22 February 2002 08:51, you wrote:

  Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia?  Itis a classic peice of software after all.Pixel wrote:
  
Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 :
  
Just seen this:netscape 4 was removed from cooker,is it on the beta 3 isos?I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with aworking


AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs.I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian?

2002-02-24 Thread newslett


Ok, everyone missed my point regarding static RPM's...it's the CHOICE 
that matters.  I didn't say to eliminate dynamically linked RPM's, just 
add the static ones, so people have a choice.  Plus, as I stated, on a 
minimal install, maybe keep those RPM's statically linked and the 
optional RPM's statically available.  And who cares about the extra 
release size.  If clients don't want it, they won't buy it, or download 
it but who knows how popular this idea would be because no one has tried 
it.  Linux has always been about choice.  If a techie wants a lean mean 
Linux Machine he isn't likely to be running Mandrake anyway as he/she 
would have a preference for the command line and would usually care less 
about all the GUI intensive stuff that Mandrake includes, because, as I 
said, it's target market is mainly the desktop.

I see everyone's point and it is well taken but answer yes or no, would 
releasing statically linked versions of RPM's speed the uptake of Linux 
on the desktop.  I think if you all are honest, the answer is a 
resounding yes.  I for one would take a basic Mandrake install and then 
add the extra software not included in the distro via static RPM's.  It 
is probably more important for app developers to take this tack than a 
whole distro but it bears thinking about...  I am for anything that will 
help Linux grow in market share in every quarter, as long as it doesn't 
dilute the basic principles of the OS, which this idea doesn't.

As for a Debian/Mandrake distro, just because Mandrake has taken the few 
good Debian by-products and put them to good use in their distro does 
not, in and of itself, warrant taking onboard the whole shebang. 
 Mandrake has used the good and ditched the rest so what's the problem?? 
 I, and most others on this list do not want to wait LITERALLY years to 
be up to date with my Linux system.  Debian has its merits but a merging 
of the 2 distro's is a bad idea, plain and simple.  If there is a 
distinct and significant advantage of a deb package over an RPM I'm not 
aware of it.  Could someone please enlighten me, otherwise this whole 
subject is moot.

Kind Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Debian?

2002-02-23 Thread newslett

Here here, and let's be honest, how common are deb packages vs. RPM's 
(when both statically and dynamically linked types are included)??  You 
don't see a site called deb find do you?  There needs to be some sort of 
standard, even within the Linux community, otherwise we are all banging 
our heads against the wall trying to prove our way is superior. Like it 
or loath it, RPM is here to stay and is fast becoming the defacto 
standard way for programs to be released for desktop oriented 
distributions (which Mandrake most certainly is).   Sorry, I personally 
like the direction Mandrake is headed and would hate to see it change.

The only complaint I have is the whole statically linked vs. dynamically 
linked RPM debate.  And before the list tries to tell me why dynamically 
linked is better, save it, I know all the reasons.  BUT, I would so like 
to see all the main distros's that use RPM packages (and app. developers 
for that matter) release both statically linked and dynamically linked 
versions of their software.  This method could be used at least for 
packages that are not installed with a minimal Mdk install.  Those of us 
that don't want a perfectly lean mean machine and could care less about 
saving harddrive space (how cheap are harddrives these days??) or RAM on 
running apps but prefer packages that install without worrying about 
dependency crap would love to install the statically linked RPM's.  2 
steps, download and install.  Simple.  In my opinion, this is the single 
biggest factor that is slowing Linux uptake on the desktop.  Momma bear 
can even install statically linked RPM's.

Before the list flames me and says I don't know what I'm talking about, 
trust me, I do.  I know computers and can happily solve dependency 
problems all day but why praytell MUST I if I don't want to??  How 
difficult is it really to release 2 versions of an RPM??  Now that would 
offer Mandrake users REAL choice.

Just my .02c worth.

Regards,

Jason Greenwood

Jason Straight wrote:

> Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>  I just had a kind of "waaay out there" idea I thought I would toss 
>> on here. Mandrake's urpmi mimicks the concept of apt-get, the menu 
>> system driving Mandrake is Debian's, and many other things are done 
>> in a Debianish way.  So my thought is this, what about making 
>> Mandrake 9.0 or something like that Debian-based? Here are the 
>> benefits as I see them:
>>
>>   1.) While RPM is great, dpkg seems to offer some really wonderful 
>> features. It's also a lot easier to make packages, and simple to 
>> convert them (I guess you could alias the command rpm to "alien 
>> --to-deb," actually).
>>
>>   2.) Urpmi too is very nice, but a Mandrake Debian setup would have 
>> a major benefit - apt-get could be configured first to get Mandrake 
>> packages, and if one didn't exist for a particular program, it could 
>> revert "woody" or "sid" packages.
>>
> Except that urpmi works. Apt-get was nothing but a pain in my ass when 
> I used debian, it died continuously, I had everyone trying to figure 
> out why short of Ian himself, and no one could figure it out. I got a 
> lot of "it works for me", but it didn't for me.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>   3.) Mandrake could be the first to offer offer an i586-optimized 
>> Debian-based distro.
>>
> It would be nice to have a debian based distro with mdk's taste of 
> packages, but I don't want mdk to change to apt-get.
>
>>
>>
>>   4.) This would further distinguish MDK from the "others" (RedHat 
>> and SuSE).
>>
> If distinguishing mdk to be different than others were the goal why be 
> linux at all?
>
>>
>>
>>   5.) Finally, since Mandrake uses Debian-like ideas, and even uses 
>> the Debian menu system, I would think it would be simple (relatively 
>> speaking) to make such a move.
>>
>>  I know it seems like this is a space that is already take with 
>> Libranet and soon Xandros, but it seems to me the low-level Debian 
>> utilities combined with the excellent interface of Mandrake could be 
>> truly a "killer app."
>>
>>  Any thoughts?
>>
>>  -Tim
>>
>>
> I agree to some extent, but I personally have had bad interactions 
> with the "debian userbase" in ircland and other areas. Debian users as 
> a majority are the most annoying linux users in the world who do 
> nothing but complain about Redhat and Mandrake, they say this or that 
> about it, but when you call their bluff and ask them to show you why 
> it sucks they can't.
>
> So after all the bitching about Debian this or Slackware that I tried 
> both of them,  I liked the simple straight forward installs on both 
> ok, slackware was fine. Debian was ok, fast install but the apps were 
> older than Jesus, and updating with apt-get to testing or unstable 
> broke the system, and apt itself would die 4-6 times during the 
> updates. Got real old after about 10 installs on Debian. I seeked help 
> on IRC to make sure I was doing it all right and all the Debianholes 
> and Slacksuckers who

Re: [Cooker] Suggestion: Mandrake Naming Layout Change

2002-02-19 Thread newslett

Fantastic idea.   I always wondered why there were naming discrepancies 
with the mdk configuration tools.  And I also agree that ALL mandrake 
configuration tools should be in MCC.  It would make it so much easier, 
especially since some tools are redundant within the KDE/Gnome setup 
tools.  One central place where all the tools needed to administer your 
system are located is a great idea.  Then no more sndconfig in a 
terminal etc... It is sometimes hard to recall all of the tools 
available within Mandrake itself and this would go a long way in solving 
this problem.

Regards,

Jason

Bill Greenwood wrote:

>
> I suggest that each of the Mandrake tools have a small change in their 
> naming layout for the directory listing, and for other reasons.
>
> The way it is right now, each of the tools are laid out in their name 
> just a little different, which makes it hard to easily spot a Mandrake 
> Tool. And sometimes one may not even know a certain tool is available 
> for a given purpose.  This is especially true since not all Mandrake 
> tools are being installed in the Mandrake Control Center, which is 
> something else I can't really figure out.  All Mandrake tools should 
> be in the Mandrake Control Center, IMHO.
>
> An example of the different ways the Mandrake tools are named: some 
> have drak, others drake, others mdk in their name.  And sometimes 
> these pieces will be in the front of the name, others at the end.
>
> I suggest they all start with mdk, then the name, such as:
>
> transfugdrake would be: mdktransfuge
> drakconf would be: mdkconf, or maybe: mdkctrlcntr
> drakfirsttime would be: mdkfirsttime
> We already have: mdkonline
>
> And so on...
>
> I believe this would make a whole lot more since to all of us, but 
> especially to the newcomers to Mandrake.  This would also follow the 
> three character mdk in the last part of the name, which ties all the 
> Mandrake stuff together nicely.
>
> Any other thoughts on this?
>
>
>

Re: [Cooker] how to find package maintainer?

2002-02-12 Thread newslett

As far as I'm aware, simply double clicking on it in XWC FM will bring 
up the RPM query window and advises of the maintainer and email address. 
This is also possible through kpackage upon installation/query as well 
as through konqueror I believe.  Others may have better means tho...

Regards,

Jason

Brian J. Murrell wrote:

>A bit ago, there was a pointer to a tool posted here about how to find
>out who is maintaining a given package so that bug reports could be
>sent directly to maintainers.
>
>Could somebody point me to the right tool?
>
>Thanx,
>b.
>
>

Re: [Cooker] Cooker Mouse Support

2002-01-31 Thread newslett




I have a wireless (RF) Intellimouse.  It obviously makes a difference in
this case.  The button mapping features still need to be ironed out in my
opinion (regardless of mouse type).

Regards,

Jason

Quel Qun wrote:
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  On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
First, I am not 12 years old so you do not need to make smart ass remarks to be understood. Second, I am not a coder but a dedicated ML user and cooker beta tester so even if I am missing something, don't bash me as MAYBE, just maybe some of the things I have problems with other people do too and they just might need to be addressed by the cooker team.

I can't see any smart ass remark. I just tried to answer as, you willnotice not so many did. When I wrote that I wished your feedback wouldbe heard, I exactly meant that: maybe something has to be done.I just looked under my mouse and it's written "IntelliMouse® 1.1A PS/2 Compatible". It runs as a wheel mouse should, both in console and under X using imps2 settings.Best of luck=-=kk1

Re: [Cooker] kde sound back up with latest kernel




Nope, that doesn't fix it either...at least it didn't for me, and I'm running
.12  
I still get the error on KDE startup.

Jeremy Salch wrote:
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  Well i was wrong.  It started doing it again..  maybe it won't do it with .12   but i don't have that downloaded yet. so i don't konw .. It didn't do the thing until I rebooted againOn Wednesday 30 January 2002 11:00 am, you wrote:
  
Ok I just did the upgrade and i no longer get the /dev/dsp is allready inuse message.  I guess THAT problem was a kernel issue..  but arts stillcrashes upon loading noatunOn Wednesday 30 January 2002 10:29 am, you wrote:

  Unfortunately, I did not delve deep enough with theproblem when it fixed itself with the kernel upgrade.--- Jeremy Salch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
What sound do you mean?  was it the problem with thesound server saying that/dev/dsp was allready in use ?   or the peoblem wihtnoatun crahsing artsOn Wednesday 30 January 2002 05:43 am, you wrote:

  I don't know why, but I have sound back in kde
  
  with 2.4.17-11.
  
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[Cooker] Sound still dead with latest cooker



Hi all,

Don't know if any of you are still having this problem but as of the 
latest cooker (including kernel update to 2.4.17-12) I still have no 
sound with my Sound Blaster. On KDE startup I am still getting:

device /dev/dsp can't be opened (device or resource busy)

The sound server will continue, using the null output device

sndconfig comes up with a variety of errors when different SB drivers 
are attempted. My sound has been dead since I installed 8.2 beta.

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] Latest MCC no close button


Am I missing something or is there now no close button on the MCC dialog 
box??  I have to Xkill it.

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Scroll Mouse Middle Button Support and Kword snafu





I am not a coder so maybe someone with the requisite skills could write a
patch  It would be a VERY useful feature as it makes little sense to
be able to open RTF docs but not write them.

Kind Regards,

Jason

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Also, in Kword, you can open an RTF document but you can't save in RTFformat.  Why is this?  It would seem simple to add this feature sincethe filter is obviousy already there. Any thoughts as to if/when RTFsupport will be added?

Hi,Kword can't save in rtf format beause there is not export RTF filter.I can add this feature in kword if you send me patch.So I wait your patchs

Re: [Cooker] Cooker Mouse Support

First, I am not 12 years old so you do not need to make smart ass remarks
to be understood. Second, I am not a coder but a dedicated ML user and cooker
beta tester so even if I am missing something, don't bash me as MAYBE, just
maybe some of the things I have problems with other people do too and they
just might need to be addressed by the cooker team.

Now, to reply to your hypothesis and questions (barbs included):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
Jason,Many people have been using a PS2 wheel mouse for years,I'd say to make a rhyme from tail to ears

That may be so, but it must not be an Intellimouse or it is different from
mine, as the generic driver most definitely will not work. And yes, I ran
mousedrake and tried it. It killed my mouse and I had to either manually
change my setup in /etc/sysconfig or use command line harddrake (which by
the way is awesome, since I couldn''t use the graphical version as my mouse
was dead). Besides, if you look in mousedrake, under serial options there
is an Intellimouse specific driver. Under ps2, there isn't, even if the
generic driver worked as you assume (which it doesn't), doesn't it make more
sense to have a mouse specific driver under ps2?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
How did you come to these conclusions? Did you use mousedrake, did youtry to read at least some sort of documentation? Maybe man mouse is notthe best part to start with, though ;-)mousedrake gives you a 'generic ps2 wheel mouse' choice. Did you trythis? You should... I think.

Yes to all of the above.
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I dislike double-click. One of the rare things I prefer in Windows isthat a single click can be set to start an app. I wish Gnome could letme do that (maybe it can). Just for info, the middle button has beenused for ages to paste in unix like OSes. Just highlight something withthe mouse and paste it anywhere else with the middle button. One of thesimple reasons I switched.

You obviously missed my point entirely. Maybe you dislike double click but
we have to live with it, doesn't it make sense to simplify things by setting
1 mousebutton to perform this function? I KNOW how the middle click is set
to work in default mode, I know middle click is supported and in most apps,
the scroll function too. I also know about *NIX cutting and pasting. My
whole point is that button mapping controls should include the option to
make the scroll middle click act as a *double-click* instead. That way,
when I need to double click on something, I can simply hit my scroll mouse
middle button. Unless I missed something, this cannot be setup in KDE or
MCC (doesn't even have a button mapping config. tool I'm aware of) mouse
button mapping.

Anyone else run into the same thing.

Regards to the cooker team who are doing an AWESOME job.

Jason
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Re: [Cooker] Mirrors




I get that sometimes too.  And I do mean only sometimes, sometimes it just
lets me log in anonymously but I'll give you a tip, when it asks for password,
it wants an email address apparently, at least that's what gFTP says in the
dialog box.  Try it and maybe that will work for you.  I don't use rsync
so I don't know how the password input function works with it but let us
know, I'd be interested to hear your experience...

All the best,

Jason

Peter Ruskin wrote:
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  On Wednesday 30 Jan 2002 00:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I find that the mirror at:ftp.wtfo.com/pub/linux/mandrake-devel/cooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMSis quite fast.  I also find that it as well as the sunsite mirror seemto be the first to get updated and also the ones that stay the mostcurrent.  For example the Australian mirror (the one closest to me) isin fact days behind so I avoid it.Just my 2c worth and hope it helps.Regards,Jason

Thanks for the tip Jason.  I just tried wtfo with rsync and it requires password - didn't accept my attempts.>

[Cooker] Incorrect Menu Spelling


In the K menu-->What to do-->Music and Movies,

All of the options that contain "lesson" should be changed to Listen, 
ie. instead of Lesson to music, it should read Listen to music, or 
Listen to music CD etc.

Also under Play a game, no entries should read Play to etc.
They should simply read: Play Poker for example

Just my 2c worth.

Regards,

Jason

[Cooker] Cooker Mouse Support



I have a Microsoft Intellimouse and it is supported only as a serial 
mouse but not as a PS2 connection.  I prefer to use it connected as PS2, 
is support for that forthcoming?

Also, is it possible to set up either MCC or KDE control center so that 
button mapping for 3 button mice is supported, currently only 2 button 
mouse are supported in the mapping controls (and in MCC there are NO 
mapping options at all that I can see).  It would also be nice if the 
scroll buttons' click feature could be set to act as a double click in 
the mapping setup.

Mouse support is good but just a few more options would be better. 
 Anyone else had these experiences??

Regards,

Jason

Re: [Cooker] Sound gone from KDE after last update




Yes, I get the same thing but I have an additional problem.  After the last
update (to 8.2 beta plus a couple of cooker updates since) it lost my soundcard
or rather, didn't find it on upgrade.  I ran sndconfig to try and set it
up, which has always worked before (I have a Sound Blaster compatible soundcard)
but now it just comes up with all sorts of errors...SO, in short, for now
I'm soundless.

Regards,

Jason

Jeremy Salch wrote:
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  With the latest update my startup sound works but it gives me the error that /dev/dsp is allready in use and it is going to use /dev/null  but then it still makes the sound *sometimes*   and the sound in the control panel works if i push it like 2 times.   Also Kde Media player doesn't work still.   it crashes the arts server when i launch it On Monday 28 January 2002 01:38 pm, you wrote:
  
It seems since after the last KDE update from Cookerth startup sound and the test sound inside the SoundServercontroll panel doesn't work. XMMS can play throught Artsand the KDE CD Player works fine too. Anyone else hadthis problem?/MattB

Re: [Cooker] Mirrors