Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
nope. On Wed, 02 Feb 2000, you wrote: Go figure? Could it be that there is problem with Windows and your configuration then Mandrake? Roger rogerz@home.To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! 01/31/00 11:25 PM Please respond to cooker to be honest, i agree. still i'm strong on the backup policytho' i've been around for awhile so i know i won't crash my system (lol). backing up is something you just have to do, as if it were a reflex. you have to know that anything you may do, may crash the computer and lose data. actually, sometimes i pray that my win98 crashes so that i would have to do a re-install. always seems to run better on first boot after the re-install...go figure... On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was commenting on the inadequacy of a released product ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site. Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to be considered release quality. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recreated my DOS partition.This said everything was fine and showed an 8GB partition. I reinstalled WIN98 (and all my apps), only to find it thought I had a 6GB drive still. Partition Magic 5 fixed it, but only after I resized the Win98 partition to 6GB, then back to 8GB. So, after a day of re-installing, the cost of Partition Magic 5, I would concur that these sorts of problems should have been cleared up before release. On my second machine, which ha
RE: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
I know Im using windows to send this message, so no flames.
I work with Linux at my office. I use a utility called "fips" that resizes
the unused partition and converts it for linux use. When Lilo boot managers
loads, you can configure it to boot into windows and linux. So therefore,
Why use partition magic 5.0? If its incompatable and its preventing froms
RTM release, scratch it and just include fips in your errata with
instructions.
Its trivial if someones wants to do it, can do so by reading the following
howto
-Original Message-
From: Roger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
I feel like i'm repeating myself, but there are compatability problems
between
using the mdk partitioning prg and partition magic 5.0.
dunno which does what, but it doesn't look good as this user even verified.
most people (or the probabely the majority) do dual boot by havign win98 and
linux on the same hdd. although it is getting somewhat tight, with a ~25 gb
7200rpm hdd - it fits well on these.
again, yes the the compatability issue is somewhat a "bug". doesn't wipe
out
the hdd, you just need to do some reconfiguring of the data, etc.
do have pq magic 5.0 and haven't seen much difference in error fixing (as
it's
said to have). eh, i even tried just tossing the $ into pq 5.0 hoping it
would
fix the problems, but didn't
think you need to use the pq utility found within the /utility/dos directy
and
verify all the numbers look in a "familar" format. powerquest tech support
can
help on this. think a colomn on mine said all "127's" 'cept one which read
"126". changed that to a "127" and everything became visible again.
dunno.
On Wed, 02 Feb 2000, you wrote:
I think your comment is not a fair assessment of Mandrake 7.0. Your
assessment is only a fractional portion of what the software offers. Have
you checked to make sure the Harddrive does not have any problems prior to
installing Mandrake 7.0. I have read this note and your previous note to
understand your problem. Was there maintenance done on this hard drive?
Could even repartition this hard drive with Partition magic. I would bet
PM would have problems too. To go one step further I have a spare hard
drive (6 gigs) which I installed Windows 98 Revision 2 on first then
installed Mandrake 7.0; I did not run into a problem. Maybe I am
prejudice in discounting what could be a problem in your eyes, but I was
able to run the whole install and launch Linux.
I also read the announcement you are referencing. It mentions the
repartitioning for the installation process. It is a marketing tool for
all types of computers-- not just a computer which has Microsoft Windows
already installed on it. You are trying to site this for your example
with
is just one type of use. I belong to a User Group which has not reported
problems. I personally have used the resizing on a Linux Install for my
hard drive (to have Linux as the only operating system) it never errored.
What you call an acknowledgement has only for those people who tried
windows and linux on the same box. Microsoft does many things with their
products which could result in problems for the hard drive. How can
Mandrake be expected to fix all problems with a hard drive if Microsoft
did
something bizarre.
I disagree on your assessment of Mandrake's quality.
John.Pigdon@Su
rePlan.NetTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
01/31/00 10:47Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0
release delayed!
PM
Please respond
to cooker
You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was
commenting on the inadequacy of a released product (
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly
with
my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention
anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a
big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the
site
There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site.
Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have
other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it
to
be considered release quality.
Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a
no-no".
did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition
errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve,
had
to go back a delete the swap par
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
I think your comment is not a fair assessment of Mandrake 7.0. Your assessment is only a fractional portion of what the software offers. Have you checked to make sure the Harddrive does not have any problems prior to installing Mandrake 7.0. I have read this note and your previous note to understand your problem. Was there maintenance done on this hard drive? Could even repartition this hard drive with Partition magic. I would bet PM would have problems too. To go one step further I have a spare hard drive (6 gigs) which I installed Windows 98 Revision 2 on first then installed Mandrake 7.0; I did not run into a problem. Maybe I am prejudice in discounting what could be a problem in your eyes, but I was able to run the whole install and launch Linux. I also read the announcement you are referencing. It mentions the repartitioning for the installation process. It is a marketing tool for all types of computers-- not just a computer which has Microsoft Windows already installed on it. You are trying to site this for your example with is just one type of use. I belong to a User Group which has not reported problems. I personally have used the resizing on a Linux Install for my hard drive (to have Linux as the only operating system) it never errored. What you call an acknowledgement has only for those people who tried windows and linux on the same box. Microsoft does many things with their products which could result in problems for the hard drive. How can Mandrake be expected to fix all problems with a hard drive if Microsoft did something bizarre. I disagree on your assessment of Mandrake's quality. John.Pigdon@Su rePlan.NetTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 01/31/00 10:47Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! PM Please respond to cooker You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was commenting on the inadequacy of a released product ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site. Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to be considered release quality. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
Go figure? Could it be that there is problem with Windows and your configuration then Mandrake? Roger rogerz@home.To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! 01/31/00 11:25 PM Please respond to cooker to be honest, i agree. still i'm strong on the backup policytho' i've been around for awhile so i know i won't crash my system (lol). backing up is something you just have to do, as if it were a reflex. you have to know that anything you may do, may crash the computer and lose data. actually, sometimes i pray that my win98 crashes so that i would have to do a re-install. always seems to run better on first boot after the re-install...go figure... On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was commenting on the inadequacy of a released product ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site. Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to be considered release quality. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recreated my DOS partition.This said everything was fine and showed an 8GB partition. I reinstalled WIN98 (and all my apps), only to find it thought I had a 6GB drive still. Partition Magic 5 fixed it, but only after I resized the Win98 partition to 6GB, then back to 8GB. So, after a day of re-installing, the cost of Partition Magic 5, I would concur that these sorts of problems should have been cleared up before release. On my second machine, which has had about every prior release on Madrake on it without a problem, the install problems are different but just as bad. It's a P120, 32 MB RAM, 1X6 and
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
I feel like i'm repeating myself, but there are compatability problems between
using the mdk partitioning prg and partition magic 5.0.
dunno which does what, but it doesn't look good as this user even verified.
most people (or the probabely the majority) do dual boot by havign win98 and
linux on the same hdd. although it is getting somewhat tight, with a ~25 gb
7200rpm hdd - it fits well on these.
again, yes the the compatability issue is somewhat a "bug". doesn't wipe out
the hdd, you just need to do some reconfiguring of the data, etc.
do have pq magic 5.0 and haven't seen much difference in error fixing (as it's
said to have). eh, i even tried just tossing the $ into pq 5.0 hoping it would
fix the problems, but didn't
think you need to use the pq utility found within the /utility/dos directy and
verify all the numbers look in a "familar" format. powerquest tech support can
help on this. think a colomn on mine said all "127's" 'cept one which read
"126". changed that to a "127" and everything became visible again.
dunno.
On Wed, 02 Feb 2000, you wrote:
I think your comment is not a fair assessment of Mandrake 7.0. Your
assessment is only a fractional portion of what the software offers. Have
you checked to make sure the Harddrive does not have any problems prior to
installing Mandrake 7.0. I have read this note and your previous note to
understand your problem. Was there maintenance done on this hard drive?
Could even repartition this hard drive with Partition magic. I would bet
PM would have problems too. To go one step further I have a spare hard
drive (6 gigs) which I installed Windows 98 Revision 2 on first then
installed Mandrake 7.0; I did not run into a problem. Maybe I am
prejudice in discounting what could be a problem in your eyes, but I was
able to run the whole install and launch Linux.
I also read the announcement you are referencing. It mentions the
repartitioning for the installation process. It is a marketing tool for
all types of computers-- not just a computer which has Microsoft Windows
already installed on it. You are trying to site this for your example with
is just one type of use. I belong to a User Group which has not reported
problems. I personally have used the resizing on a Linux Install for my
hard drive (to have Linux as the only operating system) it never errored.
What you call an acknowledgement has only for those people who tried
windows and linux on the same box. Microsoft does many things with their
products which could result in problems for the hard drive. How can
Mandrake be expected to fix all problems with a hard drive if Microsoft did
something bizarre.
I disagree on your assessment of Mandrake's quality.
John.Pigdon@Su
rePlan.NetTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
01/31/00 10:47Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release
delayed!
PM
Please respond
to cooker
You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was
commenting on the inadequacy of a released product (
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with
my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention
anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a
big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site
There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site.
Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have
other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to
be considered release quality.
Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a
no-no".
did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition
error...
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
Speaking of hard drives, I own my own computer store so I see allot of things and I was having trouble with one set up I had over three different motherboards and it all turned out to be my hard drive. It was an ibm scsi less than a year old. Also to note none of the regular problems were occurring. It would get xserver errors that would lock up the system and on reboot all the drives would have to checked for damage, which was always fixed without a word about bad blocks or anything remotely hard drive related. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think your comment is not a fair assessment of Mandrake 7.0. Your assessment is only a fractional portion of what the software offers. Have you checked to make sure the Harddrive does not have any problems prior to installing Mandrake 7.0. I have read this note and your previous note to understand your problem. Was there maintenance done on this hard drive? Could even repartition this hard drive with Partition magic. I would bet PM would have problems too. To go one step further I have a spare hard drive (6 gigs) which I installed Windows 98 Revision 2 on first then installed Mandrake 7.0; I did not run into a problem. Maybe I am prejudice in discounting what could be a problem in your eyes, but I was able to run the whole install and launch Linux. I also read the announcement you are referencing. It mentions the repartitioning for the installation process. It is a marketing tool for all types of computers-- not just a computer which has Microsoft Windows already installed on it. You are trying to site this for your example with is just one type of use. I belong to a User Group which has not reported problems. I personally have used the resizing on a Linux Install for my hard drive (to have Linux as the only operating system) it never errored. What you call an acknowledgement has only for those people who tried windows and linux on the same box. Microsoft does many things with their products which could result in problems for the hard drive. How can Mandrake be expected to fix all problems with a hard drive if Microsoft did something bizarre. I disagree on your assessment of Mandrake's quality. John.Pigdon@Su rePlan.NetTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 01/31/00 10:47Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! PM Please respond to cooker You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was commenting on the inadequacy of a released product ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site. Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to be considered release quality. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recre
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
here is what you should do man
from windows 98 install partition magic and when the setup is done you are
asked to remove the cd or diskette and press enter once you did it. Then
the windows starts and you automatically can choose the size of your
partition and make sure your partition for windows 98 is fat32
- Original Message -
From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
I feel like i'm repeating myself, but there are compatability problems
between
using the mdk partitioning prg and partition magic 5.0.
dunno which does what, but it doesn't look good as this user even
verified.
most people (or the probabely the majority) do dual boot by havign win98
and
linux on the same hdd. although it is getting somewhat tight, with a ~25
gb
7200rpm hdd - it fits well on these.
again, yes the the compatability issue is somewhat a "bug". doesn't wipe
out
the hdd, you just need to do some reconfiguring of the data, etc.
do have pq magic 5.0 and haven't seen much difference in error fixing (as
it's
said to have). eh, i even tried just tossing the $ into pq 5.0 hoping it
would
fix the problems, but didn't
think you need to use the pq utility found within the /utility/dos directy
and
verify all the numbers look in a "familar" format. powerquest tech
support can
help on this. think a colomn on mine said all "127's" 'cept one which
read
"126". changed that to a "127" and everything became visible again.
dunno.
On Wed, 02 Feb 2000, you wrote:
I think your comment is not a fair assessment of Mandrake 7.0. Your
assessment is only a fractional portion of what the software offers.
Have
you checked to make sure the Harddrive does not have any problems prior
to
installing Mandrake 7.0. I have read this note and your previous note
to
understand your problem. Was there maintenance done on this hard
drive?
Could even repartition this hard drive with Partition magic. I would
bet
PM would have problems too. To go one step further I have a spare hard
drive (6 gigs) which I installed Windows 98 Revision 2 on first then
installed Mandrake 7.0; I did not run into a problem. Maybe I am
prejudice in discounting what could be a problem in your eyes, but I was
able to run the whole install and launch Linux.
I also read the announcement you are referencing. It mentions the
repartitioning for the installation process. It is a marketing tool for
all types of computers-- not just a computer which has Microsoft Windows
already installed on it. You are trying to site this for your example
with
is just one type of use. I belong to a User Group which has not
reported
problems. I personally have used the resizing on a Linux Install for my
hard drive (to have Linux as the only operating system) it never
errored.
What you call an acknowledgement has only for those people who tried
windows and linux on the same box. Microsoft does many things with
their
products which could result in problems for the hard drive. How can
Mandrake be expected to fix all problems with a hard drive if Microsoft
did
something bizarre.
I disagree on your assessment of Mandrake's quality.
John.Pigdon@Su
rePlan.NetTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
01/31/00 10:47 Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0
release delayed!
PM
Please respond
to cooker
You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was
commenting on the inadequacy of a released product (
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly
with
my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no
mention
anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as
a
big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the
site
There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site.
Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have
other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it
to
be considered release quality.
Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a
no-no".
did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated,
"partition
errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to
resolve,
had
to go back a delete the swap partition that i added.
tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said,
"ahh,
what
the heck, i'll le
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
as long as my sblive still works! On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, you wrote: delay it for kernel 2.4 and php4 and kde 2! Maybe by that time the kinks will be worked out (congratz on putting together a killer distro!) -Guido -- Sent from: Lattitude (deg):32.7130 Longitude (deg):-117.1530 Altitude (ft): 410.0 GMT to Local (hrs): -8.0 (daylight savings enabled) Created with Linux-Mandrake 7.0! http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ Currently Beta Testing Mandrake Ver 7.0
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
granted...the install partitioner doesn't work well at all with any preexisting windows partitions. have been advised by powerquest that once you use a partitioner, don't switch to others as it may cause other problems. you'll need to go back into the mdk install prg and del the partitions that you created with it or moved to be able veiw the partitions again. thought this problem would have been cleared before the final release no? On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, you wrote: Thank you, Corrupt Windows partition is what I ended up with. using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/01/2000 12:19:53 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Cooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). - The following files are boot images which correct a problem in the ISO image mandrake70.iso dated Jan 12, 2000: cdrom-2.img: install from CD-ROM hd-2.img: install from hard-disk network-2.img: install from ftp/nfs/http pcmcia-2.img: install from pcmcia devices If you intend to install Linux-Mandrake from mandrake70.iso on a machine that already has Windows installed, you must start the installation process with a bootable floppy disk created from cdrom-2.img, as described in the files INSTALL and install.htm. Although a CD created from mandrake70.iso is bootable, using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. To use the boot floppy: 1. Place the floppy in your first floppy drive (A:) and reboot your machine. The installation procedure will be started from the floppy. 2. If prompted, select your CD-ROM drive from the list provided. 3. When prompted, insert CD #1 and continue the installation. Note: On some systems you will need to insert both the floppy and the CD together and reboot. In this case, be sure that the install starts from the floppy and not the CD. A new ISO image mandrake70-2.iso correcting the problem will be available shortly. Keeping its dedication to quality, MandrakeSoft has chosen to postpone the commercial release of its Linux-Mandrake 7.0 distribution to ensure a maximal quality for this product. --- -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux. -- Sent from: Lattitude (deg):32.7130 Longitude (deg):-117.1530 Altitude (ft): 410.0 GMT to Local (hrs): -8.0 (daylight savings enabled) Created with Linux-Mandrake 7.0! http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ Currently Beta Testing Mandrake Ver 7.0
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recreated my DOS partition. This said everything was fine and showed an 8GB partition. I reinstalled WIN98 (and all my apps), only to find it thought I had a 6GB drive still. Partition Magic 5 fixed it, but only after I resized the Win98 partition to 6GB, then back to 8GB. So, after a day of re-installing, the cost of Partition Magic 5, I would concur that these sorts of problems should have been cleared up before release. On my second machine, which has had about every prior release on Madrake on it without a problem, the install problems are different but just as bad. It's a P120, 32 MB RAM, 1X6 and 1X2GB drive, 6XCDROM, Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro. After numerous attempts where the graphical installer wouldn't work, I finally got it going with the text installer. The text installer is not as good as what was there. It would not allow individual package selection. So finally, I'm up and running. But no mouse. Mouseconfig had linked /dev/mouse to "ttyS0". After manually linking it to /dev/ttyS0, i got my mouse. How basic an issue is this Now to configuring sound. Whereas the sound card (SB16 equivalent) had been picked up by previous versions of MDK, 7.0 did not configure it correctly. Had to manually set the DMA to the correct setting. A minor issue, but I'm curious as to why. Next, KDE. I chose the video card, monitor and setting the same as they've been in the past and it said it coudn't do it. By this stage, I'm fast losing confidence in MDK. Simple things that worked in the past now don't work. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 06:40:41 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! granted...the install partitioner doesn't work well at all with any preexisting windows partitions. have been advised by powerquest that once you use a partitioner, don't switch to others as it may cause other problems. you'll need to go back into the mdk install prg and del the partitions that you created with it or moved to be able veiw the partitions again. thought this problem would have been cleared before the final release no? On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, you wrote: Thank you, Corrupt Windows partition is what I ended up with. using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/01/2000 12:19:53 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Cooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). - The following files are boot images which correct a problem in the ISO image mandrake70.iso dated Jan 12, 2000: cdrom-2.img: install from CD-ROM hd-2.img: install from hard-disk network-2.img: install from ftp/nfs/http pcmcia-2.img: install from pcmcia devices If you intend to install Linux-Mandrake from mandrake70.iso on a machine that already has Windows installed, you must start the installation process with a bootable floppy disk created from cdrom-2.img, as described in the files INSTALL and install.htm. Although a CD created from mandrake70.iso is bootable, using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. To use the boot floppy: 1. Place the floppy in your first floppy drive (A:) and reboot your machine. The installation procedure will be started from the floppy. 2. If prompted, select your CD-ROM drive from the list provided. 3. When prompted, insert CD #1 and continue the installation. Note: On some systems you will need to insert both the floppy and the CD together and reboot. In this case, be sure that the install starts from the floppy and not the CD. A new ISO image mandrake70-2.iso correcting the problem will be available shortly. Keeping its dedication to quality, MandrakeSoft has chosen to postpone the commercial release of its Linux-Mandrake 7.0 distribution to ensure a maximal quality for this product. --- -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux. -- Sent from: Lattitude (deg): 32.7130 Longitude (deg): -117.1530 Altitude (ft):410.0 GMT to Local (hrs):
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Ron Stodden wrote: There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). snip, Final Paragraph: Keeping its dedication to quality, MandrakeSoft has chosen to postpone the commercial release of its Linux-Mandrake 7.0 distribution to ensure a maximal quality for this product. OK. Now please note that this file has been updated and shifted to /images/README.img and no longer contains that final paragraph. So no joy, and no relief. -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recreated my DOS partition.This said everything was fine and showed an 8GB partition. I reinstalled WIN98 (and all my apps), only to find it thought I had a 6GB drive still. Partition Magic 5 fixed it, but only after I resized the Win98 partition to 6GB, then back to 8GB. So, after a day of re-installing, the cost of Partition Magic 5, I would concur that these sorts of problems should have been cleared up before release. On my second machine, which has had about every prior release on Madrake on it without a problem, the install problems are different but just as bad. It's a P120, 32 MB RAM, 1X6 and 1X2GB drive, 6XCDROM, Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro. After numerous attempts where the graphical installer wouldn't work, I finally got it going with the text installer. The text installer is not as good as what was there. It would not allow individual package selection. So finally, I'm up and running. But no mouse. Mouseconfig had linked /dev/mouse to "ttyS0". After manually linking it to /dev/ttyS0, i got my mouse. How basic an issue is this Now to configuring sound. Whereas the sound card (SB16 equivalent) had been picked up by previous versions of MDK, 7.0 did not configure it correctly. Had to manually set the DMA to the correct setting. A minor issue, but I'm curious as to why. Next, KDE. I chose the video card, monitor and setting the same as they've been in the past and it said it coudn't do it. By this stage, I'm fast losing confidence in MDK. Simple things that worked in the past now don't work. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 06:40:41 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! granted...the install partitioner doesn't work well at all with any preexisting windows partitions. have been advised by powerquest that once you use a partitioner, don't switch to others as it may cause other problems. you'll need to go back into the mdk install prg and del the partitions that you created with it or moved to be able veiw the partitions again. thought this problem would have been cleared before the final release no? On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, you wrote: Thank you, Corrupt Windows partition is what I ended up with. using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/01/2000 12:19:53 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Cooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). - The following files are boot images which correct a problem in the ISO image mandrake70.iso dated Jan 12, 2000: cdrom-2.img: install from CD-ROM hd-2.img: install from hard-disk network-2.img: install from ftp/nfs/http pcmcia-2.img: install from pcmcia devices If you intend to install Linux-Mandrake from mandrake70.iso on a machine that already has Windows installed, you must start the installation process with a bootable floppy disk created from cdrom-2.img
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
You make it sound as though I was dealing with beta software. I was commenting on the inadequacy of a released product ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/announce-air.php3 ) to deal correctly with my data (I got it 3 days after it was released), when there was no mention anywhere of any problems re partitioning. In fact, Mandrake use this as a big marketing tool with no mention of any problems anywhere on the site There is still no reference to 7.0 in the updates area of the site. Problems with partitioning on install have now been acknowledged as have other install problems. There are just too many problems with 7.0 for it to be considered release quality. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 12:05:30 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! first off...as i said, resizing windows or "adding partitions" was a no-no". did that and when booting back to dos and using pqmagic stated, "partition errorpartition wasn't visible or no partitions to show". to resolve, had to go back a delete the swap partition that i added. tell ya one thing, your confidence is won pretty quick! me, i said, "ahh, what the heck, i'll let it make "just" my swap partition." glad i was safe with my data. just had to go back and delete the swap. also, you could have given powerquest a call for techsupport, could have just been a "value" that needed to be edited with their utility apps w/i /utitilites/dos somewhere. (had to do this also) last item, "data not backed-up" is "lost data"! This is a primary rule when dealing with any computer. what would you do if a lightning bolt struck your hdd? Me? I would simpley say "oh well" and pop in my cd-rom and re-install (windows98? probabely needed to be reinstalled anyways..usually is the case with mine anyways). On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: This idea didn't work for me. Here's what happened I went to install MDK7.0 on an 8 GB disk with WIN98 on it. Told partitioner to give 2 GB to Linux (leaving 6GB for Windows) After it all went horribly wrong and I ended up with a corrupt Windows that wouldn't boot, I started from scratch. I deleted the Linux partition (and swap) using the MDK 7 installer, rebooted to DOS, ran fdisk, deleted and recreated my DOS partition.This said everything was fine and showed an 8GB partition. I reinstalled WIN98 (and all my apps), only to find it thought I had a 6GB drive still. Partition Magic 5 fixed it, but only after I resized the Win98 partition to 6GB, then back to 8GB. So, after a day of re-installing, the cost of Partition Magic 5, I would concur that these sorts of problems should have been cleared up before release. On my second machine, which has had about every prior release on Madrake on it without a problem, the install problems are different but just as bad. It's a P120, 32 MB RAM, 1X6 and 1X2GB drive, 6XCDROM, Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro. After numerous attempts where the graphical installer wouldn't work, I finally got it going with the text installer. The text installer is not as good as what was there. It would not allow individual package selection. So finally, I'm up and running. But no mouse. Mouseconfig had linked /dev/mouse to "ttyS0". After manually linking it to /dev/ttyS0, i got my mouse. How basic an issue is this Now to configuring sound. Whereas the sound card (SB16 equivalent) had been picked up by previous versions of MDK, 7.0 did not configure it correctly. Had to manually set the DMA to the correct setting. A minor issue, but I'm curious as to why. Next, KDE. I chose the video card, monitor and setting the same as they've been in the past and it said it coudn't do it. By this stage, I'm fast losing confidence in MDK. Simple things that worked in the past now don't work. Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/02/2000 06:40:41 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! granted...the install partitioner doesn't work well at all with any preexisting windows partitions. have been advised by powerquest that once you use a partitioner, don't switch to others as it may cause other problems. you'll need to go back into the mdk install prg and del the partitions that you created with it or moved to be able veiw the partitions again. thought this problem would have been cleared before the final release no? On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, you wrote: Thank you, Corrupt Windows partition is what I ended up with. using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/01/2000 12:19:53 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Cooker [EMAIL PROT
[Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). - The following files are boot images which correct a problem in the ISO image mandrake70.iso dated Jan 12, 2000: cdrom-2.img: install from CD-ROM hd-2.img: install from hard-disk network-2.img: install from ftp/nfs/http pcmcia-2.img: install from pcmcia devices If you intend to install Linux-Mandrake from mandrake70.iso on a machine that already has Windows installed, you must start the installation process with a bootable floppy disk created from cdrom-2.img, as described in the files INSTALL and install.htm. Although a CD created from mandrake70.iso is bootable, using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. To use the boot floppy: 1. Place the floppy in your first floppy drive (A:) and reboot your machine. The installation procedure will be started from the floppy. 2. If prompted, select your CD-ROM drive from the list provided. 3. When prompted, insert CD #1 and continue the installation. Note: On some systems you will need to insert both the floppy and the CD together and reboot. In this case, be sure that the install starts from the floppy and not the CD. A new ISO image mandrake70-2.iso correcting the problem will be available shortly. Keeping its dedication to quality, MandrakeSoft has chosen to postpone the commercial release of its Linux-Mandrake 7.0 distribution to ensure a maximal quality for this product. --- -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
anything else going in there that we need to know about. also thanks pixel. Pixel wrote: Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). please, do not use them!!! a really better fix is currently under heavy test the one in updates is still buggy (for fat resize) i should upload last one in less than an hour (hopefully)
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
On Mon 31 Jan at 02:42:01 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: please, do not use them!!! a really better fix is currently under heavy test the one in updates is still buggy (for fat resize) i should upload last one in less than an hour (hopefully) Are these updates simply for installing with an existing FAT partition and/or do they address the ramdisk error? Could you please let us know when the new and improved updates are available? I'd really appreciate it. Warm regards, -Charlie
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
- Original Message - From: Pixel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! ok, done now. and i promise i'll kill any guy (or even any women :) that find a bug in fat resize! i'm totally fud up with nasty windobe, i must have installed around 10 times the thing in 2 days and more than 40 scandisk... Well, it not really MS Windows unless you re-install and re-install and re-install . . . I have found Symantec Ghost to be a great way to reinstall MS Windows: get Windows configured like you want it, use Ghost to make an image file, burn the image file to a CD-R using the Ghost boot floppy as the boot image. A restore is simple; boot the CD, run ghost, copy the image back and re-boot. Ghost will also work the same magic on ext2 partitions. It's worth a look, especially if you need to work with MS windows for compatability reasons and can't stand it messing up all the time. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Pixel wrote: ok, done now. and i promise i'll kill any guy (or even any women :) that find a bug in fat resize! i'm totally fud up with nasty windobe, i must have installed around 10 times the thing in 2 days and more than 40 scandisk... I strongly hope that this is NOT the only reason release of 7.0 has been delayed/postponed/killed. There's PLENTY more that is very wrong with the installing process, and also plenty of other 'minor' things. For example, I have 6 Mandrake installations on my two machines here, none of them IMO very unusual. Yet NONE of the predetermined choices in the installer comes close to, or is useful for, or works for, any of them. Developers seemingly do not know how their work is used in the field, or what the installer requirements really are. That remark is not intended to diminish the great amount of good work already done. -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
delay it for kernel 2.4 and php4 and kde 2! Maybe by that time the kinks will be worked out (congratz on putting together a killer distro!) -Guido
Re: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed!
Thank you, Corrupt Windows partition is what I ended up with. using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 31/01/2000 12:19:53 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Cooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [Cooker] 7.0 release delayed! All, There are new floppy images in the updates/7.0 directory of the mirrors. Included is README.img, which I include inline below. Note particularly (and with great joy and relief) the final paragraph (big G). - The following files are boot images which correct a problem in the ISO image mandrake70.iso dated Jan 12, 2000: cdrom-2.img: install from CD-ROM hd-2.img: install from hard-disk network-2.img: install from ftp/nfs/http pcmcia-2.img: install from pcmcia devices If you intend to install Linux-Mandrake from mandrake70.iso on a machine that already has Windows installed, you must start the installation process with a bootable floppy disk created from cdrom-2.img, as described in the files INSTALL and install.htm. Although a CD created from mandrake70.iso is bootable, using such a CD to start the installation may result in some cases in corruption of your Windows partition if it is resized during the installation. To use the boot floppy: 1. Place the floppy in your first floppy drive (A:) and reboot your machine. The installation procedure will be started from the floppy. 2. If prompted, select your CD-ROM drive from the list provided. 3. When prompted, insert CD #1 and continue the installation. Note: On some systems you will need to insert both the floppy and the CD together and reboot. In this case, be sure that the install starts from the floppy and not the CD. A new ISO image mandrake70-2.iso correcting the problem will be available shortly. Keeping its dedication to quality, MandrakeSoft has chosen to postpone the commercial release of its Linux-Mandrake 7.0 distribution to ensure a maximal quality for this product. --- -- Regards, Ron. [AU] - sent by Linux.
