Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, you wrote: from the quill of Robert L Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] which iomega product is not supported By Iomega? All of them. by linux Most of them work. That is not the point however. Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? The deal is that I had a Jaz drive eating disks. It was a bad drive, plain and simple. But do they trust my word for that fact? Nope. "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. b. -- Brian J. Murrell I bought an Iomega Zip drive long time ago, it was a parallel port drive after using it for just a very few times, after some time without use, I tried to use once again... but this time It had the 'infamous' Click of Dead' So... I am on your side... I will NEVER buy another Iomega Product. period.! Sergio Korlowsky
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott (DO NOT REPLY!!!)
Please stop this conversation!!! This is not the place for it! -Chris
Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
On Thursday 09 November 2000 14:21, Giuseppe Ghibo' wrote: | "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: |"What O/S are you running?" |"Uhm, Linux." |"Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." |"No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying |disks." "But we don't support Linux." |"Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically |destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." |"Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." | |That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things |work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a |vendor. | | AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support | their devices. Looks at: | | ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz | | So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) It will not help them to recover as company. With CD-Recorders at $130 level and probably prices for them dropping below $100 next year, I don't see how Iomega can survive. (I told Iomega that they will not survive, when was meeting discussing distributorship with them around 3 years ago. They were very arregant. Didn't wanted to listen, just: our conditions are:... Minimal order is $100K... and so on. We could not agree on that. One year later they came back and asked: please! Answer was _ f_ off ! May be, it will help you a little bit, Brian.) Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Are CD-RW disks/drives fully supported? I am thinking either to assemble PC with internal CD-recorder or to buy external for my notebook. I don't need CD-recorder which is not working in Linux. :-) | | Bye. | Giuseppe -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
Can this conversation end? It's sort of off topic? Thanks, Chris On Thursday 09 November 2000 17:38, you wrote: But, but, but.. I just downloaded Iomega's own driver for the Zip 250 (I'm trying to find out why you can only put 119MB when using Linux) so how can they possibly say "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." !?!?!?!?!? Tell them they DO support Linux, it says so on their web site ! Owen On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: from the quill of Robert L Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] which iomega product is not supported By Iomega? All of them. by linux Most of them work. That is not the point however. Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? The deal is that I had a Jaz drive eating disks. It was a bad drive, plain and simple. But do they trust my word for that fact? Nope. "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
"Brian J. Murrell" wrote: "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support their devices. Looks at: ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) Bye. Giuseppe
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
Am Donnerstag 09 November 2000 17:22 schrieben Sie: So sprach Vadim Plessky am Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 06:58:35PM +0300: Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? TEAC CD-R56S SCSI No problems at all Alexander Skwar Yamaha CDR 400t SCSI, working great, no problem. I love scsi Burkhard Zombronner -- Microsoft is not dead, it just smells funny
RE: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Up until very recently I was running an IDE Mitsumi 2801 on Mandrake 7.1. I had to recompile the kernel with SCSI emulation support, which wasn't too difficult. I used XCDROAST to write CD's. I don't think I had a single coaster out of over 100 burns (unlike the windows coaster to success ratio). Matt -- | Matt Grest"Smart Applications - Tools for life" | Core System Development | Insight ASP LTD http://www.myopenapps.com +-Open Source Innovation
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
"Brian J. Murrell" wrote: from the quill of Robert L Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]> on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > which iomega product is not supported By Iomega? All of them. > by linux Most of them work. That is not the point however. > Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers > from > the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a > download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) > the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) > ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) > > so what is the deal with iomega?? The deal is that I had a Jaz drive eating disks. It was a bad drive, plain and simple. But do they trust my word for that fact? Nope. "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." Of course there is a way around that, "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Windows 98." "Ok we'll send you a replacement unit.." "Thanks." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. b. -- Brian J. Murrell -- = John Allen, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Orbiscom Ltd, Web: http://www.orbiscom.com 3 Sandyford Park, Phone: +353-1-2945111 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Dublin 18. Fax: +353-1-2945119 =
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
from the quill of John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course there is a way around that, "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Windows 98." "Ok we'll send you a replacement unit.." "Thanks." Not really. That only works until they say "Go to your Start Menu, select Iomega and then click on... Now tell me what it says/does." "Uhm, I can't do that." "Why not?" "Well, I am not really running Windows 98." "But you just said you were." ... b. -- Brian J. Murrell
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
Go look at the cdrecord FAQ for the best drives that work perfectly. see ya. - Original Message - From: "Vadim Plessky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 7:58 AM Subject: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott] On Thursday 09 November 2000 14:21, Giuseppe Ghibo' wrote: | "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: |"What O/S are you running?" |"Uhm, Linux." |"Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." |"No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying |disks." "But we don't support Linux." |"Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically |destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." |"Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." | |That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things |work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a |vendor. | | AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support | their devices. Looks at: | | ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz | | So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) It will not help them to recover as company. With CD-Recorders at $130 level and probably prices for them dropping below $100 next year, I don't see how Iomega can survive. (I told Iomega that they will not survive, when was meeting discussing distributorship with them around 3 years ago. They were very arregant. Didn't wanted to listen, just: our conditions are:... Minimal order is $100K... and so on. We could not agree on that. One year later they came back and asked: please! Answer was _ f_ off ! May be, it will help you a little bit, Brian.) Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Are CD-RW disks/drives fully supported? I am thinking either to assemble PC with internal CD-recorder or to buy external for my notebook. I don't need CD-recorder which is not working in Linux. :-) | | Bye. | Giuseppe -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
I'm using a SCSI ORB drive with Mandrake- 2.2GB per disk, $30 per disk, cheaper than a 1GB Jazz drive. Iomega is only still alive because of product name recognition. Everybody with a computer knows what a Zip drive is. Original Message On 11/9/00, 8:58:35 AM, Vadim Plessky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]: On Thursday 09 November 2000 14:21, Giuseppe Ghibo' wrote: | "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: |"What O/S are you running?" |"Uhm, Linux." |"Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." |"No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying |disks." "But we don't support Linux." |"Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically |destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." |"Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." | |That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things |work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a |vendor. | | AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support | their devices. Looks at: | | ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz | | So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) It will not help them to recover as company. With CD-Recorders at $130 level and probably prices for them dropping below $100 next year, I don't see how Iomega can survive. (I told Iomega that they will not survive, when was meeting discussing distributorship with them around 3 years ago. They were very arregant. Didn't wanted to listen, just: our conditions are:... Minimal order is $100K... and so on. We could not agree on that. One year later they came back and asked: please! Answer was _ f_ off ! May be, it will help you a little bit, Brian.) Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Are CD-RW disks/drives fully supported? I am thinking either to assemble PC with internal CD-recorder or to buy external for my notebook. I don't need CD-recorder which is not working in Linux. :-) | | Bye. | Giuseppe -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
So sprach Larry Marshall am Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:04:38PM -0500: Heck, most of Kodak's digital specs are part of the configuration/setup of gPhoto. Okay, then Kodak is a good example after all. Sorry to have spread some wrong information. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx GnuPG ID: 4E35467E FP: 93367E5B4AB777B42065533F456FF17C4E35467E ICQ:7328191
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
So sprach Vadim Plessky am Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 06:58:35PM +0300: Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? TEAC CD-R56S SCSI No problems at all Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx GnuPG ID: 4E35467E FP: 93367E5B4AB777B42065533F456FF17C4E35467E ICQ:7328191
Re: Iomega and CD-Recorders support [Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott]
Vadim Plessky wrote: On Thursday 09 November 2000 14:21, Giuseppe Ghibo' wrote: | "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: |"What O/S are you running?" |"Uhm, Linux." |"Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." |"No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying |disks." "But we don't support Linux." |"Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically |destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." |"Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." | |That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things |work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a |vendor. | | AFAIK Iomega is distributing beta software for Linux to support | their devices. Looks at: | | ftp://ftp.iomega.com/pub/english/*container*.tgz | | So it's even no longer true that they do not support Linux... ;-) It will not help them to recover as company. With CD-Recorders at $130 level and probably prices for them dropping below $100 next year, I don't see how Iomega can survive. (I told Iomega that they will not survive, when was meeting discussing distributorship with them around 3 years ago. They were very arregant. Didn't wanted to listen, just: our conditions are:... Minimal order is $100K... and so on. We could not agree on that. One year later they came back and asked: please! Answer was _ f_ off ! May be, it will help you a little bit, Brian.) Just want to ask people who using CD-recorders with Linux. What models you have? Any problems/glitches? Are CD-RW disks/drives fully supported? I am thinking either to assemble PC with internal CD-recorder or to buy external for my notebook. I don't need CD-recorder which is not working in Linux. :-) | | Bye. | Giuseppe -- Vadim Plessky http://kde2.newmail.ru (English) http://kde2.newmail.ru/index_rus.html (Russian) Do you have Arial font installed? Just test it! http://kde2.newmail.ru/font_test_arial.html I had a Phillips 3610 IDE CDBurner. It was a POS. The local Phillips shop replaced it three times and, each time, after a run of maybe 5 or 10 burns it would generate coasters regularly. I tried upgrading cdrecord to 1.10a4 (very interesting comments about Phillips in the documentation there). In the last couple of weeks it would regularly lock up my machine. In desparation, I installed windows 98 and tried using the Adaptec software that ships with the cdwriter to burn CDs; still, lockups. By this time, the warranty had run out and so, rather than fight it, I bought an HP 9610 CD-RW and have only generated one coaster out of 40 burns (the coaster was due to a power failure; my next purchase is a UPS). From my personal experience I recommend staying away from Phillips as they have some quality control problems and some developer relations problems. The HP CD writer works very nicely. The Phillips CD writer is now serving as a paper weight on my desk at home; a task to which it seems very well suited. My $.02 worth -- Arnold Troeger Unocal Thailand Phone: 011-66-2-545-5456 5th Floor, Tower 3, SCB Park Plaza FAX:011-66-2-545-5374 19 Ratchadapisek Road, Chatuchak Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bangkok 10900, Thailand "Microsoft Windows: for when your machine is just too fast"
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
WellI haven't found a Iomega drive not supported by Linux but..if Linux support is so good how come you can only put 119MB on a Zip 250. Even gdiskfree shows it as only 51% full, but can you get any more on it ? nooo ! :-) Owen On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: Turnabout is fair play I say. I will NEVER buy another Iomega product EVER, and I am just biding my time until I can shuck my DSL vendor. which iomega product is not supported by linux Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? Robert L Martin
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
But, but, but.. I just downloaded Iomega's own driver for the Zip 250 (I'm trying to find out why you can only put 119MB when using Linux) so how can they possibly say "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." !?!?!?!?!? Tell them they DO support Linux, it says so on their web site ! Owen On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, you wrote: from the quill of Robert L Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] which iomega product is not supported By Iomega? All of them. by linux Most of them work. That is not the point however. Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? The deal is that I had a Jaz drive eating disks. It was a bad drive, plain and simple. But do they trust my word for that fact? Nope. "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
"Brian J. Murrell" a écrit : We should be quite public about the fact that if a hardware vendor refuses to support Linux now, it will be shunned and boycotted when the time comes that they do want to support Linux. Let them gamble on not supporting Linux now when we need them. Turnabout is fair play I say. I will NEVER buy another Iomega product EVER, and I am just biding my time until I can shuck my DSL vendor. Let's make a step forward without polluting too much this list : - is there already a boycot web site, listing all harware vendors/manufacturers that should be boycotted, because linux unfriendly ? - if not, what about making one with a/ one list calling for boycott b/ one list congratulating those making special efforts towards Linux (nvidia, phillips, IBM, etc.) I checked french law rapidly, and calling for boycott is not illegal, as it can't be assimilated, in that case, to discrimination (ethnic, racial, sexual, etc...) If some people are interested into this, contact me directly (NOT through this list, to avoid out of topic public discussions).
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
from the quill of pgeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's make a step forward without polluting too much this list : - is there already a boycot web site, listing all harware vendors/manufacturers that should be boycotted, because linux unfriendly Keep in mind, boycotting should be the very last step. Every effort should be put into getting the vendor to want to play with Linux. We don't *want* to boycott anyone. Nobody wins when that happens. So before you boycott, make sure you have taken every step you can think of to get the vendor on our side. A boycott web site should have an always evolving list of practices and procedures that one can take to try to convince a vendor to play. The focus of the website should be on gaining the acceptance of Linux by a vendor, not shunning them. I spent A LOT of time trying to get Iomega to even deal with Linux before I finally wrote them off. Now, as this heads offtopic, it should probably be taken somewhere else. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
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"Brian J. Murrell" a écrit : Keep in mind, boycotting should be the very last step. Every effort should be put into getting the vendor to want to play with Linux. We don't *want* to boycott anyone. Nobody wins when that happens. False. By boycotting Matrox, the Millemium card was finally supported in XFree. Of course, boycotting is the last step. Just a way to make pressure and lobbying.
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pgeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Brian J. Murrell" a écrit : We should be quite public about the fact that if a hardware vendor refuses to support Linux now, it will be shunned and boycotted when the time comes that they do want to support Linux. Let them gamble on not supporting Linux now when we need them. Turnabout is fair play I say. I will NEVER buy another Iomega product EVER, and I am just biding my time until I can shuck my DSL vendor. Let's make a step forward without polluting too much this list : - is there already a boycot web site, listing all harware vendors/manufacturers that should be boycotted, because linux unfriendly ? - if not, what about making one with a/ one list calling for boycott b/ one list congratulating those making special efforts towards Linux (nvidia, phillips, IBM, etc.) ^^ People making binary driver don't make any effort towards Linux... What they do is getting money from you. -- -- Yoann http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~yoann/ I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?' -- Mike Godwin
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from the quill of pgeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] False. By boycotting Matrox, the Millemium card was finally supported in XFree. That was a win then yes. But I think the risks of alienating a vendor are higher than winning one over with boycotting tactics. I am not saying not do it, but just make sure all other avenues have been exhausted prior. Of course, boycotting is the last step. Just a way to make pressure and lobbying. Agreed. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
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On Wednesday 08 November 2000 20:48, you wrote: from the quill of pgeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] False. By boycotting Matrox, the Millemium card was finally supported in XFree. That was a win then yes. But I think the risks of alienating a vendor are higher than winning one over with boycotting tactics. I am not saying not do it, but just make sure all other avenues have been exhausted prior. Of course, boycotting is the last step. Just a way to make pressure and lobbying. Agreed. b. I'm for a boycott site it's a nice idea !
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So sprach Yoann Vandoorselaere am Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 07:40:44PM +0100: pgeorges [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (nvidia, phillips, IBM, etc.) ^^ People making binary driver don't make any effort towards Linux... What they do is getting money from you. While I agree to some degree with what you said, it always could be worse. Sure, NVidia is clearly not the best example for a Linux friendly company, but then they are also not the worst. Just have a look at Promise, another market leader. They don't do nothing to support Linux, or do you know of anyone who's successfully using one of their RAID cards? I don't. Or have a look at Kodak's digital cameras. There's also not much support from them. Or think about all these parallel port scanners. Do any actually work? In my opinion your judgement against NVidia is too harsh. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx GnuPG ID: 4E35467E FP: 93367E5B4AB777B42065533F456FF17C4E35467E ICQ:7328191
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from the quill of Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or have a look at Kodak's digital cameras. I have written software for the DC210. They at least (or did at least) publish the interface specs to their cameras. That is better than some. Actually I might argue that publishing specs is better than binary only drivers, so Kodak could be considered better than Nvidia. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2000, Brian J. Murrell wrote: from the quill of Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or have a look at Kodak's digital cameras. I have written software for the DC210. They at least (or did at least) publish the interface specs to their cameras. That is better than some. Actually I might argue that publishing specs is better than binary only drivers, so Kodak could be considered better than Nvidia. Yup - after all, the specs can be "converted" into with-source drivers. Also, it allows non-Linux platforms (*BSD etc) to have drivers much more easily. James.
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On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 09:30:44PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: anyone who's successfully using one of their RAID cards? I don't. Or have a look at Kodak's digital cameras. There's also not much support from them. Umm they publish their specs. They have an excellent developer relations program. And there is plenty of support for their cameras: http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kodak-Digitalcam-HOWTO.html#toc5 -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org Maslow's Maxim: If the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail.
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anyone who's successfully using one of their RAID cards? I don't. Or have a look at Kodak's digital cameras. There's also not much support from them. Umm they publish their specs. They have an excellent developer relations program. And there is plenty of support for their cameras: http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kodak-Digitalcam-HOWTO.html#toc5 Heck, most of Kodak's digital specs are part of the configuration/setup of gPhoto. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
Turnabout is fair play I say. I will NEVER buy another Iomega product EVER, and I am just biding my time until I can shuck my DSL vendor. which iomega product is not supported by linux Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? Robert L Martin
Re: [Cooker] Call for boycott
from the quill of Robert L Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on scroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] which iomega product is not supported By Iomega? All of them. by linux Most of them work. That is not the point however. Jazz /Zip use either standard drivers (scsi card) or named drivers from the kernel (buried in the iomega site is a download for PPA/IMM Zip drives) the cd should use standard drivers (panasonic??) ditto uses more or less standard drivers (its scsi??) so what is the deal with iomega?? The deal is that I had a Jaz drive eating disks. It was a bad drive, plain and simple. But do they trust my word for that fact? Nope. "What O/S are you running?" "Uhm, Linux." "Oh we don't support Linux. Goodbye." "No wait. It's got nothing to do with the O/S. It's destroying disks." "But we don't support Linux." "Linux, Windows, MacOS, it doesn't matter. The drive is physically destroying disks. It's got nothing to do with the O/S." "Sorry, we don't support Linux. Goodbye." That is why I will NEVER do business with Iomega again. If things work, great. If not though, you are SOL. That is unacceptable from a vendor. b. -- Brian J. Murrell
