Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Lundi 27 Octobre 2003 16:34, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : > Giuseppe Ghibò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > CMYK is not proprietary, it's just complementary to RGB... ;-) > > lots of efficient color matching algorithms are copyrighted. > there are too many patents and trade secrets in this area... As the duration of these patents is 20 years and these patents are old, does somebody knows when they shall fall ? -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Pierre Jarillon ha scritto: Le Dimanche 26 Octobre 2003 22:55, Giuseppe Ghibò a écrit : IMHO the main obstable is the Pantone proprietary system. This problem must be solved to allow free software used by professional printers. But I can't imagine free inks :-( Why a matter of INKs? AFAIK Pantone is not doing directly inks. It's doing a matching color system, so you'll know that choosing a certain color, it will be always the same everywhere. Adding pantone support to free software IMHO is trivial. The problem is that the Pantone color system is copyrighted or patented, etc., so it couldn't be added without violating such copyright or patents. If ever you have only a shadow of a solution, tell us, please ! a solution for what? Bye. Giuseppe.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Giuseppe Ghibò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Photoshop 3.0 > > Cmon, it's PhotoShop 3.0, which is problably 5 or 6 years old, not > latest PhotoShop 7! Probably the graphist is using an old MAC. indeed she do. > > > >sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: > > > >- they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop > > > >- they need cjk color system. > > CMYK is not proprietary, it's just complementary to RGB... ;-) lots of efficient color matching algorithms are copyrighted. there are too many patents and trade secrets in this area...
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Pierre Jarillon wrote: Le Dimanche 26 Octobre 2003 22:55, Giuseppe Ghibò a écrit : IMHO the main obstable is the Pantone proprietary system. This problem must be solved to allow free software used by professional printers. But I can't imagine free inks :-( If ever you have only a shadow of a solution, tell us, please ! Scribus has found some way to "handwave" the issue (supposedly it can be used to create shop ready pdf files)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Dimanche 26 Octobre 2003 22:55, Giuseppe Ghibò a écrit : > IMHO the main obstable is the Pantone proprietary system. This problem must be solved to allow free software used by professional printers. But I can't imagine free inks :-( If ever you have only a shadow of a solution, tell us, please ! -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Dimanche 26 Octobre 2003 22:59, Giuseppe Ghibò a écrit : > Speaking of GIMP, anyone knows how to do a correction of a > backlight exposed photo snapshot with GIMP (or cinepaint)? Right button (cursor on the picture), image, color Then use the functions labelled (francese) : Niveau (Level ?) Courbe (Curve ?) -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Leon Brooks ha scritto: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:17, Guy McArthur wrote: Can Gimp 1.3 do these? * rotate by arbitrary # of degrees * free rotate * perspective transform * other warping transforms Apologies for the off-topic. I tried looking for a gimp-1.3 features list. Even old GIMP does these. Or to put it another way, I have done these using GIMP 1.2, possibly earlier. Having just installed GIMP 1.3 to see what all of the noise was about: "Oooh! Shiny!" (-: Cheers; Leon Speaking of GIMP, anyone knows how to do a correction of a backlight exposed photo snapshot with GIMP (or cinepaint)? Thanks. Bye. Giuseppe.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Thierry Vignaud ha scritto: Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head -2 JFIF Photoshop 3.0 Cmon, it's PhotoShop 3.0, which is problably 5 or 6 years old, not latest PhotoShop 7! Probably the graphist is using an old MAC. sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: - they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop - they need cjk color system. CMYK is not proprietary, it's just complementary to RGB... ;-) Yes I know that. André Pascual http://www.linuxgraphic.org told me that CMYK is a great problem because the definitions of colors are referenced on a proprietary table of colors : Pantone which produces the inks! Pantone is the Microsoft of inks: http://www.pantone.com/ The market is locked, absolutely unfree. They need we take care of them ! ;-) But some people have found that photoshop was used in Mandrake. Olivier Thauvin has a quick way to solve the problem and avoid any remark. But the problem will be hidden only. this does not solve any problem but only hide the fact that the professional printing processing is all made of proprietary softwares :-( Well, often there is so many unprofessionism in the so called "professional printing processing". I often found press lab which prints using Creo 100,000€ machines (for producing directly the plates) which doesn't distinguish a PostScript from a PDF file or don't know even the DPIs of their devices... IMHO the main obstable is the Pantone proprietary system. For the rest there seems also lack of knowledge. For instance have you noticed that almost none of the Canon digital camera supports non-lossy compression but only JPG? In this field some vendor uses TIFF, but I never found yet a digital camera able to save in PNG format... (but such format exists since a long time...). Bye. Giuseppe.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Sunday 26 October 2003 16:59, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote: > Speaking of GIMP, anyone knows how to do a correction of a > backlight exposed photo snapshot with GIMP (or cinepaint)? I've done a bunch of these. Best results I've come up with have resulted from taking an outline of the shadowed subjects with the "intelligent scissors", feathering by a couple pixels, inverting the selection and darkening the overbright part, then selecting none and gamma correcting the whole photo. Usually after that the saturation needs some tweaking and probably the colors need a little correcting, and most digital cameras seem to introduce diginoise into the overly darkened areas that's visible when you brighten them. This is pretty off-topic so please contact me offlist if you need more tips. Rob
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:17, Guy McArthur wrote: > Can Gimp 1.3 do these? > * rotate by arbitrary # of degrees > * free rotate > * perspective transform > * other warping transforms > Apologies for the off-topic. I tried looking for a gimp-1.3 features > list. Even old GIMP does these. Or to put it another way, I have done these using GIMP 1.2, possibly earlier. Having just installed GIMP 1.3 to see what all of the noise was about: "Oooh! Shiny!" (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 04:14, Mike wrote: > > 1) The many-windows gui design - less said about that the better, esp > when you have a large image that takes up the whole screen, you have to > window switch just to change a tool! Using the tab key makes it fast though - no need to use the mouse for that part :) Damon
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 12:31 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > hostile interface but also because the two most common cultural > > references to the word "gimp" in the US (and maybe other English > > speaking countries) are very, very negative and one could very > > well get you sued if the wrong person heard you utter the word. > > Some of us *are* using and promoting Linux in business. I'm glad > > cinepaint is at least in contrib. > > uh? > what're the offenses ? gimp = cripple = "otherwise enabled" is one Since i can't afford US$295 to get into OED i can't give you the other one
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:56 am, Mike wrote: > If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will realise > how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say that, but it > is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while to get used to, > its layers are a nightmare to use compared to potatoshop > > Your subject should have read GIMP not as good as Photoshop What a > pity! > > Mandrake is a professional company, and therefore should use the best > tool for the job... besides it might have just been contributed by a > professional designer... they laugh at gimp (im afraid) > > Graphics programs take a lot of time to develop and are collossal, open > source just hasnt had enough time yet > > Mike > > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:42, Pierre Jarillon wrote: > > Mount MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso > > And look at: doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg > > You don't see anything wrong ? No, of course. > > But now try this: > > > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head > > -2 JFIF > > Photoshop 3.0 > > > > Grr... Of course, COULD be running Photoshop with Mandrake and wine ;-) V.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:56 am, Mike wrote: > Mandrake is a professional company, and therefore should use the best > tool for the job... besides it might have just been contributed by a > professional designer... they laugh at gimp (im afraid) > > Graphics programs take a lot of time to develop and are collossal, open > source just hasnt had enough time yet Time <> Money <>Talent <>Time this would be the problem If you have enough of 2 of the 3 you can do ANYTHING but
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Mercredi 22 Octobre 2003 13:17, Guy McArthur a écrit : > Can Gimp 1.3 do these? > > * rotate by arbitrary # of degrees > * free rotate > * perspective transform > * other warping transforms Yes, yes, yes and it depends, what kind of warping did you have in mind? :-) As far as the UI goes, I find that The GIMP 1.3, with its top menu in the image window (finally) and its colored icons in menus is in fact as intuitive as Photoshop (which I use professionally during the day). Now, if it only could get CMYK support... -- Élie Charest [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://archie.homelinux.net:8080
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Brad Felmey wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:14, Mike wrote: > > > 1) The many-windows gui design - less said about that the better, esp > > when you have a large image that takes up the whole screen, you have to > > window switch just to change a tool! > > Always on top works well for me. > Along with focus-follows-mouse --Mike
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 10:14, Mike wrote: > 1) The many-windows gui design - less said about that the better, esp > when you have a large image that takes up the whole screen, you have to > window switch just to change a tool! Always on top works well for me. -- Brad Felmey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 01:35 pm, Rob wrote: > I assume the program's name was meant to be something like "imp > with a g at the beginning" but that just sort of demonstrates > the problem with naming things "geverything" and "keverything". Actually, I think it was named the GNU Image Manipulation Program, which is why it is often referred to as "The Gimp" instead of just Gimp. And since it is an acronym, it probably should be "The GIMP" -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 12:31, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > > less hostile interface but also because the two most common > > cultural references to the word "gimp" in the US (and maybe > > other English speaking countries) are very, very negative > uh? > what're the offenses ? "Gimp" is one of those words whose American colloquial or vulgar usage in no way resembles its dictionary definition. The most common use of the word "gimp", sadly, is as a rude expletive used to refer to a disabled person. It's illegal in the US to discriminate against disabled people on the job, and one easy way to end up in court is to use the word "gimp" carelessly, especially in a large company. It's not as troublesome as the "n word" but more troublesome than, say, calling a French person a frog. The second most common use of the word refers to a... well, a character in the movie "Pulp Fiction". I'll let you research that one. I assume the program's name was meant to be something like "imp with a g at the beginning" but that just sort of demonstrates the problem with naming things "geverything" and "keverything". Rob
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Can Gimp 1.3 do these? * rotate by arbitrary # of degrees * free rotate * perspective transform * other warping transforms Apologies for the off-topic. I tried looking for a gimp-1.3 features list. -- Guy
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > crop is > > > another one key shortcut. > > > > SHIFT-C in Gimp > > that is 2 keys... > > anyway... it seems like there are a lot of improvements in 1.3, ill give > it a go > > #urpmi gimp1_3 > no package named gimp1_3 > > looks like i need to set up my sources... it's in contribs
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 18:03, Pierre Jarillon wrote: > But some people have found that photoshop was used in Mandrake. > Olivier Thauvin has a quick way to solve the problem and avoid any > remark. But the problem will be hidden only. I do not see any problem with that, as long they have a valid excuse. I fear that the bios on their pc is not free, so, this is the same. we cannot blame them to use a progam whn nothing good and free exist. Trying to hide this is like to recognize that mdk have done something bad. People should be realist, and stop dreaming. -- Michaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Speaking of ass-head-removal, I look forward to the day when > cinepaint starts replacing the gimp as the de facto Linux image > manipulation program, not just because of its slightly less > hostile interface but also because the two most common cultural > references to the word "gimp" in the US (and maybe other English > speaking countries) are very, very negative and one could very > well get you sued if the wrong person heard you utter the word. > Some of us *are* using and promoting Linux in business. I'm glad > cinepaint is at least in contrib. uh? what're the offenses ?
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head > > > -2 JFIF > > > Photoshop 3.0 > > > sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: > > - they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop > > - they need cjk color system. > > Yes I know that. André Pascual http://www.linuxgraphic.org told me > that CMYK is a great problem because the definitions of colors are > referenced on a proprietary table of colors : Pantone which produces > the inks! Pantone is the Microsoft of inks: http://www.pantone.com/ > The market is locked, absolutely unfree. They need we take care of > them ! ;-) > > But some people have found that photoshop was used in Mandrake. > Olivier Thauvin has a quick way to solve the problem and avoid any > remark. But the problem will be hidden only. this does not solve any problem but only hide the fact that the professional printing processing is all made of proprietary softwares :-(
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Thierry Vignaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: > - they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop > - they need cjk color system. > and not, basic exporting in gimp2 is not full cjk support. > and cjk support in gimp is not at the corner of the street due to > legal problems (mainly because most cjk/rvb conversion algorithms > being covered by patents :-() > - because printing professionnals only deal with cjk and proprietary > formated files, lots have problems with postscript, ... argh s/CJK/CMYK/g of course
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Buchan, > My only complaint is that it throws away exif data (AFAIK). Hopefully > this has been fixed in 1.3? Yes, this has been fixed... Friedrich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lq4n1WA5NSHvnDARAu5uAJ0YfaKV3S/8vMOj5chNaUhKvRBsZwCgtnxo M9grDPgkodaZuunPm9sr7rQ= =ado7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Mercredi 22 Octobre 2003 16:12, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : > Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head > > -2 JFIF > > Photoshop 3.0 > sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: > - they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop > - they need cjk color system. Yes I know that. André Pascual http://www.linuxgraphic.org told me that CMYK is a great problem because the definitions of colors are referenced on a proprietary table of colors : Pantone which produces the inks! Pantone is the Microsoft of inks: http://www.pantone.com/ The market is locked, absolutely unfree. They need we take care of them ! ;-) But some people have found that photoshop was used in Mandrake. Olivier Thauvin has a quick way to solve the problem and avoid any remark. But the problem will be hidden only. -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
> > crop is > > another one key shortcut. > > SHIFT-C in Gimp that is 2 keys... anyway... it seems like there are a lot of improvements in 1.3, ill give it a go #urpmi gimp1_3 no package named gimp1_3 looks like i need to set up my sources...
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike wrote: > The main things that I find bad about gimp (just my opinion, maybe im > mad/doing it wrong) > > 1) The many-windows gui design - less said about that the better, esp > when you have a large image that takes up the whole screen, you have to > window switch just to change a tool! # urpmi gimp1_3 > 2) I dont know if it is me... but cutting and pasting into/out of layers > is a real chore. I seem to get stuck with a floating selection which > doesnt do what i expect. Layers sometimes do not select, sometimes the > selected layer changes. Basically I find any kind of non-resize image > operations to be like fighting a gimp If I want a new layer of the pasted content, I just rename the floating later ;-). > 3) In photoshop, if you need the zoom tool, you just press 'Z' I mostly I use +/- (but in gimp1.3 this has changed slightly (you need to use shift+'=', in gimp1.2 you could just use the '=' key). The zoom tool is one that doesn't seem to have a shortcut. gimp1.3 shows the shortcut as you mouse-over the button. > crop is > another one key shortcut. SHIFT-C in Gimp > In gimp the same operation involves several > clicks to cycle through each window (click main window, click zoom, > click brush options, click 'allow to resize window', then you can use > the tool) > 4) Typing, editing text - dont even get me started on that! Try: # urpmi gimp1_3 > Having said all that, I use the gimp for all my image manipulation > requirements (which is mostly basic digicam stuff)... but only because > there isnt much choice out there My only complaint is that it throws away exif data (AFAIK). Hopefully this has been fixed in 1.3? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/lqPprJK6UGDSBKcRAoKOAJ9d4PrLaPVNH7Z8pT98O8C1XNuPcwCgrrCt XrrxErAQPTnmNqo+faZmuKo= =d1tz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 07:19 am, Pascal Terjan wrote: > Maybe you're right for people that start with photoshop... > I started image manipulation with paint shop pro, each time I tryied to > use photoshop I lost hours trying to do simple stuff. Then I switched to > Linux and since the first time I ran GIMP I achieved what I wanted quite > easily. I really prefer it's user interface. > For the layers, could you explain the problem ? Same here I have used the gimp since redhat 5.0 and I love it. I have never really used anything else. Well I have but not for long. I can get everything I need done and to me photoshop seems unintuitive. My only beef wit the mandrake version of the gimp is that they dont include the user filter for using filter factory filters. Um in this one case I use the gimp under windows because it does have this and I can use quite a few nifty filters. As stated in another email the only thing that photoshop really does better is cmyk for when you goto the printers. The gimp will supposedly do this in the next version but I have not seen it in 1.3 yet so I'm unsure. > > There is one major thing missing in GIMP : you keep only the result of > filters and cannot modify parameters of the ones applied before. Except > for that, I have no blame for GIMP. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
The main things that I find bad about gimp (just my opinion, maybe im mad/doing it wrong) 1) The many-windows gui design - less said about that the better, esp when you have a large image that takes up the whole screen, you have to window switch just to change a tool! 2) I dont know if it is me... but cutting and pasting into/out of layers is a real chore. I seem to get stuck with a floating selection which doesnt do what i expect. Layers sometimes do not select, sometimes the selected layer changes. Basically I find any kind of non-resize image operations to be like fighting a gimp 3) In photoshop, if you need the zoom tool, you just press 'Z' crop is another one key shortcut. In gimp the same operation involves several clicks to cycle through each window (click main window, click zoom, click brush options, click 'allow to resize window', then you can use the tool) 4) Typing, editing text - dont even get me started on that! Having said all that, I use the gimp for all my image manipulation requirements (which is mostly basic digicam stuff)... but only because there isnt much choice out there On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 15:19, Pascal Terjan wrote: > Mike wrote: > > If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will > > realise how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say > > that, but it is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while > > to get used to, its layers are a nightmare to use compared to > > potatoshop > Maybe you're right for people that start with photoshop... > I started image manipulation with paint shop pro, each time I tryied to > use photoshop I lost hours trying to do simple stuff. Then I switched to > Linux and since the first time I ran GIMP I achieved what I wanted quite > easily. I really prefer it's user interface. > For the layers, could you explain the problem ? > > There is one major thing missing in GIMP : you keep only the result of > filters and cannot modify parameters of the ones applied before. Except > for that, I have no blame for GIMP. >
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:19, Pascal Terjan wrote: > Maybe you're right for people that start with photoshop... He's talking about people who use it for a living, like the people who designed Mandrake's promotional materials. That said, I have known a couple photoshop-using graphic designers who have at least messed with the gimp and not hated it (and a couple who did hate it, largely because of the confusing multi-window interface.) It goes without saying that anyone working with print media can't use it yet because of the lack of CMYK, but for most uses (yes, even most business uses) it's fine. I think if they took their heads out of their asses about MDI, Jasc would have something to worry about even if Adobe doesn't. Speaking of ass-head-removal, I look forward to the day when cinepaint starts replacing the gimp as the de facto Linux image manipulation program, not just because of its slightly less hostile interface but also because the two most common cultural references to the word "gimp" in the US (and maybe other English speaking countries) are very, very negative and one could very well get you sued if the wrong person heard you utter the word. Some of us *are* using and promoting Linux in business. I'm glad cinepaint is at least in contrib. Rob
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Le Mercredi 22 Octobre 2003 15:42, Pierre Jarillon a écrit : > Mount MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso > And look at: doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg > You don't see anything wrong ? No, of course. > But now try this: > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head -2 > JFIF > Photoshop 3.0 > > Grr... perl -pi -e 's/Photoshop 3.0/Gimp the best/' /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg and hop ! -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. - JL. Olivier Thauvin - http://nanardon.homelinux.org/
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Mike wrote: If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will realise how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say that, but it is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while to get used to, its layers are a nightmare to use compared to potatoshop Maybe you're right for people that start with photoshop... I started image manipulation with paint shop pro, each time I tryied to use photoshop I lost hours trying to do simple stuff. Then I switched to Linux and since the first time I ran GIMP I achieved what I wanted quite easily. I really prefer it's user interface. For the layers, could you explain the problem ? There is one major thing missing in GIMP : you keep only the result of filters and cannot modify parameters of the ones applied before. Except for that, I have no blame for GIMP.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Pierre Jarillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mount MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso > And look at: doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg > You don't see anything wrong ? No, of course. > But now try this: > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head -2 > JFIF > Photoshop 3.0 > > Grr... sadly designers and graphists have to use photoshop because: - they're not computer scientist are almost used with photoshop - they need cjk color system. and not, basic exporting in gimp2 is not full cjk support. and cjk support in gimp is not at the corner of the street due to legal problems (mainly because most cjk/rvb conversion algorithms being covered by patents :-() - because printing professionnals only deal with cjk and proprietary formated files, lots have problems with postscript, ... so this is eventually a no-no point :-(
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 09:56, Mike wrote: > If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will realise > how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say that, but it > is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while to get used to, > its layers are a nightmare to use compared to potatoshop Sad but true. Having tried photoshop for the first time about a month ago, I was like, "OMG! This is so fast and intuitive." Although I must say two things: 1. I still manage to do all my graphics work in the gimp (cumbersome as it may be). 2. Gimp-1.3 is much easier to use... although it crashes all the time. Austin
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will realise how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say that, but it is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while to get used to, its layers are a nightmare to use compared to potatoshop Your subject should have read GIMP not as good as Photoshop What a pity! Mandrake is a professional company, and therefore should use the best tool for the job... besides it might have just been contributed by a professional designer... they laugh at gimp (im afraid) Graphics programs take a lot of time to develop and are collossal, open source just hasnt had enough time yet Mike On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:42, Pierre Jarillon wrote: > Mount MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso > And look at: doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg > You don't see anything wrong ? No, of course. > But now try this: > > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head -2 > JFIF > Photoshop 3.0 > > Grr...
[Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!
Mount MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso And look at: doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg You don't see anything wrong ? No, of course. But now try this: $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head -2 JFIF Photoshop 3.0 Grr... -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
