Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Well since we are all voicing opinions. I vote to keep it in. I have seldomly had problems with it. (Unlike Galeon which I like alot ..BUT it also crashes alot:)) Ingo On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:27:00 -0800, garrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list It does indeed, but mozilla also crashes a fair share, doesn't it? If we were removing web browsers based solely on those that have a reputation for crashing, all we'd be left with would by lynx :) -Charlie
RE: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
I will vote to keep it on contrib -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ingo Bauer Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Well since we are all voicing opinions. I vote to keep it in. I have seldomly had problems with it. (Unlike Galeon which I like alot ..BUT it also crashes alot:)) Ingo On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:27:00 -0800, garrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list It does indeed, but mozilla also crashes a fair share, doesn't it? If we were removing web browsers based solely on those that have a reputation for crashing, all we'd be left with would by lynx :) -Charlie
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
I use NS 6.2 so I don't miss 4 but I have to say that I do miss the images button, it's so nice to turn them on and off at will... garrick wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> Same here, add my vote to the "ns4 just crashes alot" listOn Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 09:43:27PM -0500, Dave Seff alleged: I won't miss it. On Friday 22 February 2002 08:51, you wrote: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? Itis a classic peice of software after all.Pixel wrote: Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Borsenkow Andrej sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this:netscape 4 was removed from cooker,is it on the beta 3 isos?I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with aworking AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs.I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
Vincent Meyer, MD wrote on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:10:46PM -0600 : rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I'm not saying that I disagree with you. But I will say that M$ has been slammed by the *nix crowd for years because their philosophy was just give them something they can use. I don't want to see us go down the same path. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn msg57318/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
Well, I agree that that has been M$'s attitude, and I TOO don't want to see us go there.. but gotta have something stable that works while we get something together in Linux. If we were M$, we wouldn't bother so much with that part. V. On Wednesday 27 February 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote: Vincent Meyer, MD wrote on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:10:46PM -0600 : rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I'm not saying that I disagree with you. But I will say that M$ has been slammed by the *nix crowd for years because their philosophy was just give them something they can use. I don't want to see us go down the same path. Blue skies... Todd
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Il 02:51, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, hai scritto: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Besides the nostalgia factor, it is also required by some packages (namely AfterStep-1.8.10-1mdk). And netscape-plugins is required by kdebase3-nsplugins-3.0-0.beta2.1mdk. I'd really like it if Netscape4 went back in cooker: it's the only browser that you can fall back if the newer ones (Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon) don't work (and everyone knows that sometimes they just don't work). The only reason I can see for segregating it in the commercial CDs is to have any Mandrake user who wants a browser that 'just works' to but the commercial CDs. I'm not going to do that. -- Paolo Pedroni paolo.pedroniatiol.it
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
My vote it to have NS4 back into the main release also. It is the only browser that just _works_ in many situations. Besides that, It is the only browser that has the *Images* button, which I use all the time. The Images button was supposed to be put into the Mozilla tree, but I think, from what I can see, it ain't gunna happen. :( -Bill === Paolo Pedroni wrote: Il 02:51, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, hai scritto: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Besides the nostalgia factor, it is also required by some packages (namely AfterStep-1.8.10-1mdk). And netscape-plugins is required by kdebase3-nsplugins-3.0-0.beta2.1mdk. I'd really like it if Netscape4 went back in cooker: it's the only browser that you can fall back if the newer ones (Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon) don't work (and everyone knows that sometimes they just don't work). The only reason I can see for segregating it in the commercial CDs is to have any Mandrake user who wants a browser that 'just works' to but the commercial CDs. I'm not going to do that.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Hi, I also think it would be very important to add back NS4 to the main distro. It is a necessity for me as a lot of other peoples to be able to check how it displays webpages we produce and things like that... Regards, Baal On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 16:24, Bill Lea Greenwood wrote: My vote it to have NS4 back into the main release also. It is the only browser that just _works_ in many situations. Besides that, It is the only browser that has the *Images* button, which I use all the time. The Images button was supposed to be put into the Mozilla tree, but I think, from what I can see, it ain't gunna happen. :( -Bill === Paolo Pedroni wrote: Il 02:51, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, hai scritto: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Besides the nostalgia factor, it is also required by some packages (namely AfterStep-1.8.10-1mdk). And netscape-plugins is required by kdebase3-nsplugins-3.0-0.beta2.1mdk. I'd really like it if Netscape4 went back in cooker: it's the only browser that you can fall back if the newer ones (Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon) don't work (and everyone knows that sometimes they just don't work). The only reason I can see for segregating it in the commercial CDs is to have any Mandrake user who wants a browser that 'just works' to but the commercial CDs. I'm not going to do that.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:42:30 -0500, Baal [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Hi, I also think it would be very important to add back NS4 to the main distro. It is a necessity for me as a lot of other peoples to be able to check how it displays webpages we produce and things like that... Absolutely. I just found a problem with mozilla last night when testing the new version of squirrelmail. For some reason, mozilla didn't show the 'view' option of the attachment and because Galeon uses the mozilla engine, it didn't work right either. So I fired up netscape to see what it was really supposed to show. Mozilla's great, but it hasn't reached the 1.0 milestone for a reason. People are just going to have to go out and download netscape anyway, so you might as well keep it in there. Cheers, -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Tax reform means Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree. -- Russell Long
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Wed Feb 27 10:24 +1300, Bill Lea Greenwood wrote: My vote it to have NS4 back into the main release also. It is the only browser that just _works_ in many situations. Besides that, It is the only browser that has the *Images* button, which I use all the time. I assume you mean a button that will disable image loading? Opera has that button (though I've had issues getting Opera to work on the 8.2 betas). -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it comes down to desperation, You make the best of your situation. Linux 2.4.17-20mdk 5:01pm up 1 day, 2:43, 12 users, load average: 0.72, 0.69, 0.71 msg57068/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
I won't miss it. On Friday 22 February 2002 08:51, you wrote: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Pixel wrote: Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs. I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 09:43:27PM -0500, Dave Seff alleged: I won't miss it. On Friday 22 February 2002 08:51, you wrote: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Pixel wrote: Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs. I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:27:00 -0800, garrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list It does indeed, but mozilla also crashes a fair share, doesn't it? If we were removing web browsers based solely on those that have a reputation for crashing, all we'd be left with would by lynx :) -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE If men are not afraid to die, it is of no avail to threaten them with death. If men live in constant fear of dying, And if breaking the law means a man will be killed, Who will dare to break the law? There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand. -- Tao Te Ching, Lao Tsu, #74
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
I primarily use opera, but from time to time there is some page or some javascript that opera wont handle that netscape will. I agree it does crash a lot, but the most recent 4.x isnt too bad and I often use it as a backup browser when nothing else will cope. Various sites with dynamic content come in to this category, as well as some video streams. Ant On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 11:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:27:00 -0800, garrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list It does indeed, but mozilla also crashes a fair share, doesn't it? If we were removing web browsers based solely on those that have a reputation for crashing, all we'd be left with would by lynx :) -Charlie -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE If men are not afraid to die, it is of no avail to threaten them with death. If men live in constant fear of dying, And if breaking the law means a man will be killed, Who will dare to break the law? There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand. -- Tao Te Ching, Lao Tsu, #74 -- Systems Administrator Pracom Ltd. +61 8 82029074 -=- +61 402 100 671 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRIVILEGED - PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This electronic mail is solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you receive this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system immediately and notify the sender by electronic mail or using any of the above contact details.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 05:42, Baal wrote: I also think it would be very important to add back NS4 to the main distro. It is a necessity for me as a lot of other peoples to be able to check how it displays webpages we produce and things like that... Here's an idea: why not put software which is non-Free but still required from time to time onto a separate CD? Oh, wait a minute, Mandrake already did this for 8.1... Is there still a problem? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
On Monday 25 February 2002 00:37, Paolo Pedroni wrote: Il 02:51, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, hai scritto: Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Besides the nostalgia factor, it is also required by some packages (namely AfterStep-1.8.10-1mdk). And netscape-plugins is required by kdebase3-nsplugins-3.0-0.beta2.1mdk. That can be dealt with by pointing AS at Mozilla and (!) making nsplugins standalone. RPM really needs a ``recommended'' information tag for s/w that goes with a package but isn't required. I'd really like it if Netscape4 went back in cooker: it's the only browser that you can fall back if the newer ones (Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon) don't work (and everyone knows that sometimes they just don't work). Very rarely do I find something that breaks both Konq and Moz but not NS4. And generally (speaking for myself only) it's not the kind of site I'd visit if I had a choice anyway (eyeball deep in graphics and Java, or totally IE-specific). The only reason I can see for segregating it in the commercial CDs is to have any Mandrake user who wants a browser that 'just works' to but the commercial CDs. I'm not going to do that. And to make the main distro more completely GPL. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 09:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb, at 16:27:00 -0800, garrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: Same here, add my vote to the ns4 just crashes alot list It does indeed, but mozilla also crashes a fair share, doesn't it? And is large and slow. Konq is slow to start up on Mdk8.1 but fast once loaded. If we were removing web browsers based solely on those that have a reputation for crashing, all we'd be left with would by lynx :) I've never crashed links either, if that helps. How stable is Amaya these days? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone? Browser politics
rant - but nothing personal How about and making the main distro more completely USEFUL. Lets face it a lot of the browsers shipping for linux just aren't there yet. They're coming up fast, but have a little ways to go yet. If there are sites that won't render on the newer browsers yet, and they render on Netscape, then ship it with Netscape! Most of the folks I talk to about Linux - their eyes kinda glaze over when the subject of GPL and Open Source come up. What they want is a system that they can USE, not idiological purity. They simply want to be able to use their computers. Please, whoever makes these decisions, consider keeping Netscape in the distro, at least for 8.2. Hopefully by 9.0, or 8.3, or whatever it's going to be called, the latest Konqueror and Mozilla will be ready to take on Internet Explorer.. but until that time comes, shipping the browser that works with the most pages and crashes the least will go a long way to insuring people new to Linux and Mandrake have a good user experience. Then maybe they'll stick around to learn more about GPL. /rant - but nothing personal On Tuesday 26 February 2002 08:08 pm, you wrote: And to make the main distro more completely GPL. Cheers; Leon
[Cooker] NS4 gone?
Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working java machine. I've tested all browsers with several java packages (kaffe, sun, ibm) and *none* of these combinations worked reliably with java applets over ssl. maybe this is nothing and ns4 will be back in a few days
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Op vr 22-02-2002, om 23:09 schreef Borsenkow Andrej: Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working java machine. I've tested all browsers with several java packages (kaffe, sun, ibm) and *none* of these combinations worked reliably with java applets over ssl. maybe this is nothing and ns4 will be back in a few days i second this. Besides if you want to drop ns4 it is beter to wait to the day/week before going gold
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
»Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working Working? Hmm, I've got to admit, I haven't started Netscape 4 for years, but I remember that Java always was *very* unstable in Netscape 4. In this respect I like the other browsers better - there it plain does not work :| Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 15 hours 27 minutes
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Friday 22 February 2002 23:44, you wrote: Working? Hmm, I've got to admit, I haven't started Netscape 4 for years, but I remember that Java always was *very* unstable in Netscape 4. In this respect I like the other browsers better - there it plain does not work :| I have to start it occasionally, but mostly because of some stupid browser check, or javascript related issues that seem to work only with nescape. Teemu
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs. I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It is a classic peice of software after all. Pixel wrote: Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : Just seen this: netscape 4 was removed from cooker, is it on the beta 3 isos? I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a working AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs. I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Friday 22 February 2002 19:51, you wrote: - Perhaps it could be included in contribs for the sake of nostalgia? It - is a classic peice of software after all. - - - - Pixel wrote: - - Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - - »Borsenkow Andrej« sagte am 2002-02-23 um 01:09:59 +0300 : - - Just seen this: - - - netscape 4 was removed from cooker, - - is it on the beta 3 isos? - - I hope that mdk will keep ns4 because it's the only browser with a - working - - - AFAIK, it's moved to commercial CDs. - - I don't know if there are some solutions for nasty java applets. - - But you still can download directly from Netscape and grab the: netscape-installer Its as easy as installing from an RPM ;-) here is the link: http://home.netscape.com/computing/download/index.html SK You are currently using: Netscape 6.2.1 English language, X11 Linux i686
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Friday 22 February 2002 05:02 pm, you wrote: I have to start it occasionally, but mostly because of some stupid browser check, or javascript related issues that seem to work only with nescape. Teemu I have to agree - I don't use Netscape much - but for the things i use it for we don't have anything else. Until Konqueror, Mozilla etc etc get shook out, an unstable Netscape that mostly works is a good backup. Beats running Internet Explorer under Wine, at least. V.
Re: [Cooker] NS4 gone?
On Friday 22 February 2002 05:02 pm, you wrote: I have to start it occasionally, but mostly because of some stupid browser check, or javascript related issues that seem to work only with nescape. Teemu I have to agree - I don't use Netscape much - but for the things i use it for we don't have anything else. Until Konqueror, Mozilla etc etc get shook out, an unstable Netscape that mostly works is a good backup. Beats running Internet Explorer under Wine, at least. V. and there are some sites wich does not support Netscape-6x or Mozilla take a look at http://www.abit-usa.com with mozilla and then with netscape-4 you'll see the diference with mozilla there are no menus other sites simply lock mozilla and netscape-4 works
