Dutch keyboard map was:Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
Op wo 23-01-2002, om 23:22 schreef Danny Tholen:
> > > No, it is not. There is no EuroSign defiend at all on the "us" keyboard
> > > layout from XFree86.
>
> Than XFree86 must be wrong, or dutch us keyboards are different for US us keyboards:)
>
> I have a new "dutch" keyboard, which is just a US keyboard (setxkbmap nl, gives me
>all kind
> of wrong symbols when pressing certain keys, for instance: @ instead of ~).
>
> Next to the 5 is located an Euro (¤) symbol. So I think it is obvious that something
>like alt-5 is supposed to
> make an euro-char?
>
> ..this actually comes down to adding this line to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us
>(or make an nl_us entry):
>
>
> key {[ e,E ],
> [ EuroSign ] };
>
>
> and substituting the AE05 line with:
>
> key {[ 5,percent ],
> [ Eurosign, cent ] };
>
>
> This works beautifull for me and is better than the deprecated (?) xmodmap stuff.
>
> While we're at it, maybe other much used dutch characters (é, è, ë) can be added as
>well somewere (question:
> where so I can make a complete file?) in this new layout. It should be
>submitted to the X people I guess,
> since us keyboards are muuuccch more used in holland than the original dutch
>keyboards.
>
> Also an entry for dutch keyboards should be made in the kde-control center.
>
>
> Oh..another question: any idea where I find (or define?) this 'Compose' key?
>
>
> Danny
I have done some changes to /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/nl as a quick
hack(Pablo do NOT add this to X) to let the euro work
Don't know if 8859-15 supports ij but i would suggest adding that one to
the list. There is only one problem. The symbol looks awful in the font
i use. That is if ydiaeresis is the same letter as ij, ÿ which i think
it is but i'm not certain
// Converted keytable file to xkb/symbols/ file
// with mk_xkb by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 30 00:53:29 MET DST 1997
// converted from the nl-latin.map of the Linux kbd package by
// Pablo Saratxaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
default partial alphanumeric_keys
xkb_symbols "basic" {
// Describes the differences between a very simple US/ASCII
// keyboard and a very simple Nederland keyboard
// Alphanumeric section
name[Group1]= "Nederland";
key {[ 5,percent ],
[ Eurosign, cent] };
key {[ e,E ],
[eacute,Eacute ] };
key {[ r,R ],
[ paragraph,registered ] };
key {[ t,T ],
[ thorn,THORN ] };
key {[ y,Y ],
[ ydiaeresis, Ydiaeresis ] };
key {[ u,U ],
[ udiaeresis, Udiaeresis ] };
key {[ i,I ],
[ idiaeresis, Idiaeresis ] };
key {[ o,O ],
[ograve,Ograve ] };
key {[ p,P ],
[ paragraph ] };
key {[ a,A ],
[aacute,Aacute ] };
key {[ s,S ],
[ssharp ] };
key {[ d,D ],
[ eth,ETH ] };
key {[ f,F ],
[ ordfeminine, ordfeminine ] };
key {[ z,Z ],
[ guillemotleft ] };
key {[ x,X ],
[ guillemotright] };
key {[ c,C ],
[ cent,copyright ] };
key {[ n,N ],
[ntilde,Ntilde ] };
key {[ m,M ],
[ Greek_mu,masculine ] };
// End alphanumeric section
// begin modifier mappings
modifier_map Shift { Shift_L };
modifier_map Lock { Caps_Lock };
modifier_map Control{ Control_L };
modifier_map Mod3 { Mode_switch };
};
Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
Pablo Saratxaga wrote: >Kaixo! >Li Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:51:29 +0100, > Guy Zelck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrîjheut: > > GZ> Not a real answer but sth. that's bothering me from the beginning and > GZ> related to the Euro. > GZ> I've got a md8.1 and the Euro doesn't work in KDE, you get ? instead. It > GZ> does in xterm & gedit for instance. > > GZ> My /etc/sysconfig/i18n contains : > GZ> LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 >... > GZ> LANG=nl > >in fact "nl" used to use iso-8859-1 not iso-8859-15. >It is a problem for KDE as it gives priority to LANG over other LC_* >variables, it seems (something I consider to be a bad behaviour, btw). >Undefine LANG, or define it to the same value than LC_* variables; >or rebuild the definitions of "nl" (as root): > >localedef -c -i nl_NL -f ISO-8859-15 /usr/share/locale/nl > >(in such last case, also edit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locales/locales.alias >and change: > >nl:nl_NL.ISO-8859-1 > >with: > >nl:nl_NL.ISO-8859-15 > Thanks Pablo, after a long search I solved it last Sunday by redefining LANG just as you indicate here. I was a very happy man. The thread "On Euro" contains some interesting links which permitted me to also adapt Eterm for the ¤. I find the other tips you provide very interesting, again we learn sth. new, thanks for that. > > GZ> A lot of people struggle with this but never is there any real reason > GZ> given by Mandrake why this doesn't work, > >It took me quite some time to understand what the problem was, as using >LANG variable in priority is not a standard behaviour, and also as KDE >shows in other aspects a complete independence from system locale settings. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > Your efforts are much appreciated. It would be good if these Euro problems get a place on one of the Mandrake sites. Greetings, Guy.
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> > No, it is not. There is no EuroSign defiend at all on the "us" keyboard
> > layout from XFree86.
Than XFree86 must be wrong, or dutch us keyboards are different for US us keyboards:)
I have a new "dutch" keyboard, which is just a US keyboard (setxkbmap nl, gives me all
kind
of wrong symbols when pressing certain keys, for instance: @ instead of ~).
Next to the 5 is located an Euro (€) symbol. So I think it is obvious that something
like alt-5 is supposed to
make an euro-char?
..this actually comes down to adding this line to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us
(or make an nl_us entry):
key {[ e,E ],
[ EuroSign ] };
and substituting the AE05 line with:
key {[ 5,percent ],
[ Eurosign, cent ] };
This works beautifull for me and is better than the deprecated (?) xmodmap stuff.
While we're at it, maybe other much used dutch characters (é, è, ë) can be added as
well somewere (question:
where so I can make a complete file?) in this new layout. It should be
submitted to the X people I guess,
since us keyboards are muuuccch more used in holland than the original dutch keyboards.
Also an entry for dutch keyboards should be made in the kde-control center.
Oh..another question: any idea where I find (or define?) this 'Compose' key?
Danny
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Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
> > Kaixo! > Li Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:09:42 +0100 (CET), > andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scrîjheut: > > > > Yesterday i installed cooker. When i try crtl-alt-5 i should get a euro > > > > On dutch keyboards it's this key combination? Interesting... > > > a> In holland almost all keyboards are US. CRTL-ALT-5 is the standard > a> place for US keyboard > > No, it is not. There is no EuroSign defiend at all on the "us" keyboard > layout from XFree86. > AltGr-E is the default key combination however, and all latin keyboards > get it (unless they redefine AltGr-E). > > You can also use compose + e + = (e, and equal sign). > > I just took a look at the Dutch keyboard, and AltGr-E is already kept by > eacute; but AltGr-5 is nto defined; I'll put an EuroSign there. > > So; does AltGr-5 is actually used to input an EuroSign ? (I'll be particualrly > interested in evidence of that usage in other operating systems) > > -- > Ki ça vos våye bén, > Pablo Saratxaga You do realise that the standard keyboard used in holland is us keyboard and not dutch (I can't remember ever seening a dutch keyboard and i have only "seen" them buyable at Dell as something you could order instead of us keyboard). The standard place for the euro is on a us keyboard is something with a 5 (because on the 5 key there is a euro symbole). I have misread the debian euro howto. Thought it was CTRL-ALT-5 but it seems to be AltGr+5. I don't know what a logical place would be on a nl-keyboard so i don't know if what you are doing is wish. May i do a suggestion: Can we have a us keyboard optimized for dutch ?
Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
So sprach »andre« am 2002-01-14 um 00:09:42 +0100 : > In holland almost all keyboards are US. CRTL-ALT-5 is the standard > place for US keyboard Thanks, didn't know that. > 'm not sitting behind it now but it is something like nl:NL@euro Hmm, well, maybe try to change that to nl_NL.ISO-8859-15 by modifying your /etc/sysconfig/i18n file. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 9 hours 17 minutes
Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
> > So sprach =BBandre=AB am 2002-01-13 um 22:55:34 +0100 : > > Yesterday i installed cooker. When i try crtl-alt-5 i should get a euro > > On dutch keyboards it's this key combination? Interesting... > In holland almost all keyboards are US. CRTL-ALT-5 is the standard place for US keyboard > > sign but i don't get one. What should i change in my setup to get it > > what's the output of =BBlocale=AB? 'm not sitting behind it now but it is something like nl:NL@euro
Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
andre wrote: >Yesterday i installed cooker. When i try crtl-alt-5 i should get a euro >sign but i don't get one. What should i change in my setup to get it > Not a real answer but sth. that's bothering me from the beginning and related to the Euro. I've got a md8.1 and the Euro doesn't work in KDE, you get ? instead. It does in xterm & gedit for instance. My /etc/sysconfig/i18n contains : SYSFONT=lat0-sun16 LC_CTYPE=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_MONETARY=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LANGUAGE=nl_BE:nl LC_TIME=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_NUMERIC=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_COLLATE=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LC_MESSAGES=nl_BE.ISO-8859-15 LANG=nl SYSFONTACM=iso15 Of course my personal settings in KDE are set to use iso-latin-15 and I use the font adobe-helvetica-15 througout. A lot of people struggle with this but never is there any real reason given by Mandrake why this doesn't work, I suspect sth. went wrong during KDE compilation but I'm stabbing in the dark. At one time reference was made to an errata but that didn't solve it. I read a lot of mail around this even in cooker in the before md8.1 period but I believe the locale settings and others are correct. Guy. >
Re: [Cooker] euro and locales-nl
So sprach »andre« am 2002-01-13 um 22:55:34 +0100 : > Yesterday i installed cooker. When i try crtl-alt-5 i should get a euro On dutch keyboards it's this key combination? Interesting... > sign but i don't get one. What should i change in my setup to get it what's the output of »locale«? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 7 hours 46 minutes
[Cooker] euro and locales-nl
Yesterday i installed cooker. When i try crtl-alt-5 i should get a euro sign but i don't get one. What should i change in my setup to get it
