Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Ainsi parlait Fabrice FACORAT : [..] > on top of that servers package should not rely on ... java > this destry my java sun jdk install while installing kaffe > They may need a total rewrite jpackage project (http://jpackage.sourceforge.net) has spec files (distributing complete packages is illegal) for sun, ibm and blackdown jdk. Spec file are in project CVS, nosrc.rpm are on my own local mirror (http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/linux/jpackage) We use alternative system to manage java commands in /usr/bin. Current mdk kaffe package conflicts, however, as it use real files for java commands. Maybe mdk kaffe packages (and commercial java packages) could be modified to also use alternative ? Gwenole, if you agree, i'm OK to send spec patches. -- Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Fabrice FACORAT wrote: > le mar 19-02-2002 à 08:08, Franki a écrit : > >>perhaps that is something that should be initially filled out at install, >>then, should it require changes later, you should be able to start it from >>control panel. >> >>One last thing, Mandrake should not make any GUI tools that don't have >>console >>alternatives, so I'd like to see a setup for this from the console also. >>(the servers that can potentially benefit most from this don't always run >>GUI.) >> > > on top of that servers package should not rely on ... java > this destry my java sun jdk install while installing kaffe > They may need a total rewrite IMHO, the following article is important reading before deciding how best to do this: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/400/ The author of the article has received 20 mails so far, quite a few offering to start writing a generic configuration tool/library ... -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/gpg.key
RE: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
le mar 19-02-2002 à 08:08, Franki a écrit : > perhaps that is something that should be initially filled out at install, > then, should it require changes later, you should be able to start it from > control panel. > > One last thing, Mandrake should not make any GUI tools that don't have > console > alternatives, so I'd like to see a setup for this from the console also. > (the servers that can potentially benefit most from this don't always run > GUI.) on top of that servers package should not rely on ... java this destry my java sun jdk install while installing kaffe They may need a total rewrite -- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/index.html - Lester Bangs: Don't let those swill merchants rewrite you. -- "Almost Famous"
RE: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
perhaps that is something that should be initially filled out at install, then, should it require changes later, you should be able to start it from control panel. One last thing, Mandrake should not make any GUI tools that don't have console alternatives, so I'd like to see a setup for this from the console also. (the servers that can potentially benefit most from this don't always run GUI.) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Greenwood Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 4:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux? I agree with you George-- Msec is definitely one of the tools that could use a frontend, just like we have one for rsync (DrakSync). I say again too these Drak tools should all be in the 'Mandrake *Control* Center', where we can *Control* all aspects of our Mandrake system. Maybe another heading? 'Other Drak Tools' ? === George Mitchell wrote: > Msec is a nice tool. But it would be wonderful to have a graphical > front end for it, where parameters get explained and open themselves > to local customization. Sort of like the nice firewall tools. Any > thoughts on this? > > Claudio wrote: > >> Il 19:29, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, H.McM ha scritto: >> [...] >> >>>> NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I >>>> cannot believe it!!! >>>> >> [...] >> >>> 3) remove msec. >>> >> >> msec is a very useful tool. WAS a very useful tool until 8.1, but now >> he's becoming the owner my system! =;p >> >>>> So now >>>> auto-mount, >>>> auto-device-generation, >>>> auto-permission, >>>> auto-script-generation >>>> auto-* >>>> >>> If you dont like these auto packages, deselect them during the install >>> phase. >>> >> >> That's what I usually do! But not everything can be decided while >> installing the system, you know... >> > > > >
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
»Claudio« sagte am 2002-02-18 um 19:15:02 +0100 : > 2) > In /home. > First of all we are going out of any Unix philosophy: since 1970 homedirs are > 700, now they are created as 711. I don't think this is the right default, > anyway it's just a personal opinion, so I simply run "chmod 700 ". > OK. > NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I cannot > believe it!!! That's a feature of msec. Check the files in /etc/security/msec Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 5 days 15 hours 31 minutes
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
I agree with you George-- Msec is definitely one of the tools that could use a frontend, just like we have one for rsync (DrakSync). I say again too these Drak tools should all be in the 'Mandrake *Control* Center', where we can *Control* all aspects of our Mandrake system. Maybe another heading? 'Other Drak Tools' ? === George Mitchell wrote: > Msec is a nice tool. But it would be wonderful to have a graphical > front end for it, where parameters get explained and open themselves > to local customization. Sort of like the nice firewall tools. Any > thoughts on this? > > Claudio wrote: > >> Il 19:29, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, H.McM ha scritto: >> [...] >> NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I cannot believe it!!! >> [...] >> >>> 3) remove msec. >>> >> >> msec is a very useful tool. WAS a very useful tool until 8.1, but now >> he's becoming the owner my system! =;p >> So now auto-mount, auto-device-generation, auto-permission, auto-script-generation auto-* >>> If you dont like these auto packages, deselect them during the install >>> phase. >>> >> >> That's what I usually do! But not everything can be decided while >> installing the system, you know... >> > > > >
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Il 21:09, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, George Mitchell ha scritto: > Msec is a nice tool. But it would be wonderful to have a graphical > front end for it, where parameters get explained and open themselves to > local customization. Sort of like the nice firewall tools. Any > thoughts on this? > > Claudio wrote: > >Il 19:29, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, H.McM ha scritto: > >[...] > > > >>>NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I > >>>cannot believe it!!! > > > >[...] > > > >>3) remove msec. Well, tried to remove msec. Result is: rpm -e msec + reboot = kde won't start (dcop intercomunication error, wrong permission and so on) gnome won't start (permission errors and applett errors) then "urpmi msec" = all works, but permission are changed in /home... :o( -- Claudio Panichi, System/Network Admin at Dept. of Physics "Tor Vergata" University and INFN - Sec. "Roma II" Remote System is: LINUX!
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Msec is a nice tool. But it would be wonderful to have a graphical front end for it, where parameters get explained and open themselves to local customization. Sort of like the nice firewall tools. Any thoughts on this? Claudio wrote: >Il 19:29, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, H.McM ha scritto: >[...] > >>>NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I >>>cannot believe it!!! >>> >[...] > >>3) remove msec. >> > >msec is a very useful tool. WAS a very useful tool until 8.1, but now he's >becoming the owner my system! =;p > >>>So now >>>auto-mount, >>>auto-device-generation, >>>auto-permission, >>>auto-script-generation >>>auto-* >>> >>If you dont like these auto packages, deselect them during the install >>phase. >> > >That's what I usually do! But not everything can be decided while installing >the system, you know... >
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Op ma 18-02-2002, om 19:15 schreef Claudio: > 2) > In /home. > First of all we are going out of any Unix philosophy: since 1970 homedirs are > 700, now they are created as 711. I don't think this is the right default, > anyway it's just a personal opinion, so I simply run "chmod 700 ". > OK. > NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I cannot > believe it!!! 1. Did unix exist in 1970? The name maybe. but the os. NO 2. It is not a unix but a redhat standard to set it to 700. Unix doesn't have standards 3. If you would start with a clean sheet 710 would be the way to go. 700 is just dumb
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 07:29:07PM +0100, H.McM wrote: > > 2) > > In /home. > > First of all we are going out of any Unix philosophy: since 1970 homedirs are > > 700, now they are created as 711. I don't think this is the right default, > > anyway it's just a personal opinion, so I simply run "chmod 700 ". > > OK. > > NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I cannot > > believe it!!! > > MSEC is causing the change of permissions on home directories. If you are not > happy with the current permissions, then either: > 1) select a security level with the permissions you require. You can see the > what permissions used with each level are by looking in /etc/security/msec > > 2) create a perm.local file in /etc/security/msec with the directories and > permissions that you require. This file overrides the default msec permissions. Could the changelog be more precise than ? So you can figure out what might goes wrong after you install it. Looking back in the changelog of msec I see: * Sun Jan 20 2002 Frederic Lepied <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.17-13mdk - /home is 711 in level 3. but no mention of /home/* (note the star) being set to 711. By the way, could I have some more detail about this entry in the changelog: * Tue Feb 05 2002 Frederic Lepied <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 0.18-4mdk - correct gdm.conf modifications Could this one be the origin of my gdm.conf continously being reset to "Browser=true" ? Cheers, Odie -- - Olivier Dormond aka Odie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Il 19:29, lunedì 18 febbraio 2002, H.McM ha scritto: [...] > > NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I > > cannot believe it!!! [...] > 3) remove msec. msec is a very useful tool. WAS a very useful tool until 8.1, but now he's becoming the owner my system! =;p > > So now > > auto-mount, > > auto-device-generation, > > auto-permission, > > auto-script-generation > > auto-* > > If you dont like these auto packages, deselect them during the install > phase. That's what I usually do! But not everything can be decided while installing the system, you know... -- Claudio Panichi, System/Network Admin at Dept. of Physics "Tor Vergata" University and INFN - Sec. "Roma II" Remote System is: LINUX!
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
> 2) > In /home. > First of all we are going out of any Unix philosophy: since 1970 homedirs are > 700, now they are created as 711. I don't think this is the right default, > anyway it's just a personal opinion, so I simply run "chmod 700 ". > OK. > NO! It seems OK, but it will be 711 again after a system reboot I cannot > believe it!!! MSEC is causing the change of permissions on home directories. If you are not happy with the current permissions, then either: 1) select a security level with the permissions you require. You can see the what permissions used with each level are by looking in /etc/security/msec 2) create a perm.local file in /etc/security/msec with the directories and permissions that you require. This file overrides the default msec permissions. 3) remove msec. > Or just cleany explain during installation how to disable this disgusting > behaviour. > > So now > auto-mount, > auto-device-generation, > auto-permission, > auto-script-generation > auto-* If you dont like these auto packages, deselect them during the install phase.
Re: [Cooker] I cannot believe!!! Is it Windows or Linux?
Claudio wrote: >Well, >at first I supposed that I was wrong, that I drunk too much. But now I know >that there is something that must be like a joke in current 8.2 beta. >I agree: Linux is hard to use, so Mandrake is making it easy. >But now Mandrake is making his own decision, over SysAdmin decision. >Here you are some example: > I have the same problem with the logfile of folding@home here. The folding client is running under its own user id and I had the log file /var/log/folding using this id, but everytime I reboot now, the owner is root again. Please Mandrake: Stop patronizing your users in the MS Windows way. Regards, Helge
