Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
David Aspinall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > yep. we do now. we are in progress, to make it publicly available to you > > cookers. should be done within weeks. > > Good news! > > > not true IMHO. just look at the number of things people ask even when we > > answer. there is too much traffic here so that people can read all. for > > the bug tracking system it's the same. when people have a bug they are > > lazy to consult the bug tracking system. > > Maybe right. But I'd be happy to look first at the tracking system if > it's good (e.g. has search facilities and a record of resolved issues, > etc). It should be great -- just wait a little bit.. :-).. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
- Original Message - From: "Stuart Krivis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Hoyt wrote: > > > With the current publicity about Win2k being shipped with LOTS of > > bugs, shouldn't Mandrake get some good press for shipping with NONE? > > Having _no_ bugs is not possible. A distro that now takes up 2 CDs and > includes code that wasn't written by MandrakeSoft guarantees that there > will be some bugs. Hell, gcc and glibc have bugs, and everything is built > on those. The bugs are built-in. :-) > Yes, but minimizing bugs is possible. If there are documented bugs in the foundations of the OS, why isn't anyone interested in getting them fixed? Well, it's because the developers are too busy adding features because it's more fun than fixing bugs. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
> yep. we do now. we are in progress, to make it publicly available to you > cookers. should be done within weeks. Good news! > not true IMHO. just look at the number of things people ask even when we > answer. there is too much traffic here so that people can read all. for > the bug tracking system it's the same. when people have a bug they are > lazy to consult the bug tracking system. Maybe right. But I'd be happy to look first at the tracking system if it's good (e.g. has search facilities and a record of resolved issues, etc). - D.
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Hoyt wrote: > With the current publicity about Win2k being shipped with LOTS of > bugs, shouldn't Mandrake get some good press for shipping with NONE? Having _no_ bugs is not possible. A distro that now takes up 2 CDs and includes code that wasn't written by MandrakeSoft guarantees that there will be some bugs. Hell, gcc and glibc have bugs, and everything is built on those. The bugs are built-in. :-) -- Stuart Krivis[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
David Aspinall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Also, for bugs already cited and not been fixed, it often comes from the > > fact that either it seems a very minor bug and we're stuck to bigger > > problems, or, we don't know how to fix it. > > Have you thought of using a bug tracking system for the distribution? yep. we do now. we are in progress, to make it publicly available to you cookers. should be done within weeks. > It could cut down the amount of traffic on this list, repeated > problems, etc, ... not true IMHO. just look at the number of things people ask even when we answer. there is too much traffic here so that people can read all. for the bug tracking system it's the same. when people have a bug they are lazy to consult the bug tracking system. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
- Original Message - From: "Geoffrey Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: RE: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems > > > > > > > Mandrake has been able to tap a huge talent of volunteers because > > they offer such a good product. I suggest coordinating these > > "minor" bugfixes through MUO and/or having a bugfix discussion forum. > > > > yeh, but you still have to get people to issue the patches /fixes and fix > them. the problemw ith that is that everyone is scremign to get things > fixed, and patches are floating around on the ML. giving too many people > permissions to touch the patches is not good since it'll be really messy. > Then it's just an administrative issue. > > With the current publicity about Win2k being shipped with LOTS of > > bugs, shouldn't Mandrake get some good press for shipping with NONE? > > > > > what ?? isn't win2k a bug itself? :) > > Fun to MS bash, but the reality is that MS is the competition and the poorer product has been known to win and the other die out (VHS vs. Beta?). Quality and reliability can go a long way towards making market inroads. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
> Also, for bugs already cited and not been fixed, it often comes from the > fact that either it seems a very minor bug and we're stuck to bigger > problems, or, we don't know how to fix it. Have you thought of using a bug tracking system for the distribution? It could cut down the amount of traffic on this list, repeated problems, etc, ...
RE: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
> > > > Mandrake has been able to tap a huge talent of volunteers because > they offer such a good product. I suggest coordinating these > "minor" bugfixes through MUO and/or having a bugfix discussion forum. > yeh, but you still have to get people to issue the patches /fixes and fix them. the problemw ith that is that everyone is scremign to get things fixed, and patches are floating around on the ML. giving too many people permissions to touch the patches is not good since it'll be really messy. > With the current publicity about Win2k being shipped with LOTS of > bugs, shouldn't Mandrake get some good press for shipping with NONE? > what ?? isn't win2k a bug itself? :) > The reality is that what gets fixed depends on what priority > Mandrake puts on it and how they want to be percieved in the community. > yop > Hoyt >
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
- Original Message - From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems > "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems. > > > So we're in between the two problems: people complain about the bugs, and > people complain about the lack of features. It's very hard to be good on > both sides! > Just remember that Bill Gates said in an interveiw that the would never release an upgrade to Windows that fixed every bug because non one would buy it. Does MandrakeSoft want to continue in that tradition? > > Also, for bugs already cited and not been fixed, it often comes from the > fact that either it seems a very minor bug and we're stuck to bigger > problems, or, we don't know how to fix it. > Mandrake has been able to tap a huge talent of volunteers because they offer such a good product. I suggest coordinating these "minor" bugfixes through MUO and/or having a bugfix discussion forum. With the current publicity about Win2k being shipped with LOTS of bugs, shouldn't Mandrake get some good press for shipping with NONE? The reality is that what gets fixed depends on what priority Mandrake puts on it and how they want to be percieved in the community. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems. > > It seems everything but the kitchen sink is finding its way into > Mandrake, but I regularly read comments from people who cite bugs that > hve been around for a while and have not been fixed. Yes, this is a huge problem: . ReiserFS is out ; people want it! . more USB devices are appearing ; people want it! . etc. So we're in between the two problems: people complain about the bugs, and people complain about the lack of features. It's very hard to be good on both sides! Also, for bugs already cited and not been fixed, it often comes from the fact that either it seems a very minor bug and we're stuck to bigger problems, or, we don't know how to fix it. -- Guillaume Cottenceau
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
Hoyt wrote: > Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems. > > It seems everything but the kitchen sink is finding its way into Mandrake, but I >regularly read comments from people who cite bugs that hve been around for a while >and have not been fixed. Ahhh! You are right for some of them. About one I reported conscerning my USB mouse, when plugged into the PS/2 port. I have only two buttons working. The mouse has in fact 5 buttons, wheel included... I repeat: the usbmouse driver is f#$@ dangerously buggy. At least, with my MS-Explorer. And - I want to report again an issue: -- There is no more "emulate 3 buttons" options!!! (beta 3 iso)< -- This means that I don't have the X/Copy/paste at all! Please, is somebody at Mandrake would at least acknowledge this USB stuff :I never received even an ACK. But, I don't think it is really related to Mandrake. It could be some detection/protocol failures from the PS/2 mouse driver. The Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer is still very new hardware. Ciao Serge Lussier
Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems
Pay less attention to adding features and more to fixing problems. It seems everything but the kitchen sink is finding its way into Mandrake, but I regularly read comments from people who cite bugs that hve been around for a while and have not been fixed.
