ATI drivers for XF4.3 (FireGL but 8500 should work) (WAS: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349))
I tried to install the FireGL X1 drivers from ATI, which are supposed to work with a Radeon 8500 (R200) and XFree 4.3. Unfortunately I could not compile a working driver for Mandrake 9.1. It fails patching drmP.h, then compiles the fglrx.o driver, but it cannot be loaded. I did not look what part of drmP.h needs to be patched, I'll look more into it today. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I managed to install the newest drivers without problems, but when I enable Twinview on two flat panels, the system locks up HARD. Previous version worked fine and still works after downgrading . Seems, that nVidia needs to improve their QA a lot. From the past three versions, one had stability issues, second one corrupts screen and the latest one does not even start and locks the machine up Jan I have gone to the mandrake club and I haven't seen any link to the NVIDIA news rpms. I am having lot of problems trying to install the Nvidia run file, even following the Mandrake experience recomendation (http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/?c=ttrls/nvidianew), in the best case I have a black screeen and problems to load dhcp module. Perhaps I have problems with perms???, no idea. Could you be so kind as giving me the link to download the Mandrake rpms?? Thanks so much in advance -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jAJ6n11XseNj94gRAuDUAJ0QPeBQzmuZbkBmxpo8OQBPDLnl7wCfSGwM zB3qOuWBp5WPIOIcR9utf/I= =fyuY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Nvidia has a nice PR. They have a forum for Linux users, and a developper who answers questions, give patches and listen to users and their bug reports. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=forumid=14 I always preferred ATI for their free community support. However their PR is abysmal. Last year they promised to develop drivers for Linux, but they have not updated their buggy drivers since november. Moreover, they do not give specs anymore (above Radeon 9000). They seem to have dropped completely Linux support, since the succes of their cards in the DirectX gamers world. Unfortunately, it seems that it is not only the fault of ATI. They have submitted patches to XFree, that have not been added for more than one year. Some people say that ATI is not very keen to collaborate anymore, but I do not think this is the only reason though. But at least they may open a forum and update their web pages a little more. I think I am going to switch to nvidia next time. I can live with proprietary drivers (temporarily, anyway the graphic cards market evolves so quickly) until there are free and working solutions from ATI. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
You may not have read ATI's website on the Linux support issue. They support Linux/FreeBSD work but rely on the X windowing developers (i.e. XIG, XFree86 teams). I included the link to the RPM for the Radeon 9700/PRO. The ATI Radeon 9800/PRO, 9600, 9200 boards were just recently released as of yesterday (April 2, 2003) so you got 12 weeks before you see XFree86 drivers for them (maybe sooner?). http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2003/4632.html http://www.bebits.com/app/2938 http://dri.sf.net/ http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/ http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/ http://bytesex.org/xawtv/ http://www.xig.com/ http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ http://pdownload.mii.instacontent.net/ati/drivers/fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i5 86.rpm ~Ken - Original Message - From: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) Nvidia has a nice PR. They have a forum for Linux users, and a developper who answers questions, give patches and listen to users and their bug reports. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=forumid=14 I always preferred ATI for their free community support. However their PR is abysmal. Last year they promised to develop drivers for Linux, but they have not updated their buggy drivers since november. Moreover, they do not give specs anymore (above Radeon 9000). They seem to have dropped completely Linux support, since the succes of their cards in the DirectX gamers world. Unfortunately, it seems that it is not only the fault of ATI. They have submitted patches to XFree, that have not been added for more than one year. Some people say that ATI is not very keen to collaborate anymore, but I do not think this is the only reason though. But at least they may open a forum and update their web pages a little more. I think I am going to switch to nvidia next time. I can live with proprietary drivers (temporarily, anyway the graphic cards market evolves so quickly) until there are free and working solutions from ATI. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
- Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) You may not have read ATI's website on the Linux support issue. They support Linux/FreeBSD work but rely on the X windowing developers (i.e. XIG, XFree86 teams). I included the link to the RPM for the Radeon 9700/PRO. The ATI Radeon 9800/PRO, 9600, 9200 boards were just recently released as of yesterday (April 2, 2003) so you got 12 weeks before you see XFree86 drivers for them (maybe sooner?). http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2003/4632.html http://www.bebits.com/app/2938 http://dri.sf.net/ http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/ http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/ http://bytesex.org/xawtv/ http://www.xig.com/ http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ http://pdownload.mii.instacontent.net/ati/drivers/fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i5 86.rpm ~Ken Thanks for the links, but . I talk here about good 3D acceleration, not 2D display . I have a R8500 card since november 2001Drivers 2.5.1 do not work on mandrake 9.1. In 2002, ATI has released drivers in 2002 in april, june, november. I was thinking : sweet, the releases are not very often, but at least they are at regular periods. But since november, they have flatlined. What I see is that 7 days after the release of Mdk 9.1 and RH 9, nvidia have working drivers for XFree 4.3. Those for ATI are still awaited. I can make DRI work with my R8500, but flashy colors give me headaches, and performance is barely higher than for a 7500. Moreover, they do not answer emails, despite their feedback survey, whereas nvidia has a forum where an internal developper actively discuss issues. So what I refer to is : http://www.advogato.org/person/mharris/diary.html?start=5 where you learn that ATI's patches are not added in XFree (not ATI's fault though) http://bugs.xfree86.org//cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56 where you learn that 9200+ specs are not given by ATI anymore (this is more problematic). I am unhappy of that situation, because I love my card, picture quality is wonderful. But I'd like to have more feedback/PR from ATI since they made promises. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Starting from here: http://www.ati.com/developer/altoschart.pdf http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html 'radeon is a XFree86 driver for ATI RADEON based video cards. It contains full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel depths, dual-head setup, flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 cards like the Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500, FireGL X1/Z1), hardware cursor, XV extension, Xinerama extension.' So after reading your links and mharris' comments on ATI providing him with patches, DID those patches ever make it into XFree86 v4.3.0?!? Mharris' notes were in January. If not, then either MandrakeClub or ATI should be able to point you to an alternate updated driver that works under Xfree86 v4.3.0 and Mandrake 9.1 (release). ~Ken - Original Message - From: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) - Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) You may not have read ATI's website on the Linux support issue. They support Linux/FreeBSD work but rely on the X windowing developers (i.e. XIG, XFree86 teams). I included the link to the RPM for the Radeon 9700/PRO. The ATI Radeon 9800/PRO, 9600, 9200 boards were just recently released as of yesterday (April 2, 2003) so you got 12 weeks before you see XFree86 drivers for them (maybe sooner?). http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2003/4632.html http://www.bebits.com/app/2938 http://dri.sf.net/ http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/ http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/ http://bytesex.org/xawtv/ http://www.xig.com/ http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ http://pdownload.mii.instacontent.net/ati/drivers/fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i5 86.rpm ~Ken Thanks for the links, but . I talk here about good 3D acceleration, not 2D display . I have a R8500 card since november 2001Drivers 2.5.1 do not work on mandrake 9.1. In 2002, ATI has released drivers in 2002 in april, june, november. I was thinking : sweet, the releases are not very often, but at least they are at regular periods. But since november, they have flatlined. What I see is that 7 days after the release of Mdk 9.1 and RH 9, nvidia have working drivers for XFree 4.3. Those for ATI are still awaited. I can make DRI work with my R8500, but flashy colors give me headaches, and performance is barely higher than for a 7500. Moreover, they do not answer emails, despite their feedback survey, whereas nvidia has a forum where an internal developper actively discuss issues. So what I refer to is : http://www.advogato.org/person/mharris/diary.html?start=5 where you learn that ATI's patches are not added in XFree (not ATI's fault though) http://bugs.xfree86.org//cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56 where you learn that 9200+ specs are not given by ATI anymore (this is more problematic). I am unhappy of that situation, because I love my card, picture quality is wonderful. But I'd like to have more feedback/PR from ATI since they made promises. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
- Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) Starting from here: http://www.ati.com/developer/altoschart.pdf http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html 'radeon is a XFree86 driver for ATI RADEON based video cards. It contains full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel depths, dual-head setup, flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 cards like the Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500, FireGL X1/Z1), hardware cursor, XV extension, Xinerama extension.' So after reading your links and mharris' comments on ATI providing him with patches, DID those patches ever make it into XFree86 v4.3.0?!? Mharris' notes were in January. If not, then either MandrakeClub or ATI should be able to point you to an alternate updated driver that works under Xfree86 v4.3.0 and Mandrake 9.1 (release). I don't know if all these patches are in DRI, I guess so, since DRI drivers work indeed, but barely (textures are messy, poor performance). However, I can tell you that without reading any press release, ATI has not provided their proprietary drivers since november (the only way to have support for S3TC compression, which is patented and thus cannot be included in open source drivers). Why do you want me to say : ok, I am glad, ATI has a press release where they claim they will give drivers regularly, when new drivers have not been released for 6 months. I just see a difference between words and facts here. And it is also a pity that ATI do not give any feedback, do not open a forum, and barely listen to their customers. Eric
ATI drivers for XF4.3 (FireGL but 8500 should work) (WAS: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349))
- Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) I'll investigate this further. That ATI driver should work under XFree86 v4.3.0 and Mandrake but I don't have a 8500 card to test. May go out today and get a OEM one if I can to evaluate. Will let you know. ~Ken Thank you very much, very kind of you. I just had some news : apparently, they have released new drivers for FireGL X1 card, and are backward compatible with R200. They even talk about glibc 2.3 and XFree 4.3 in their readme. You just have to go on their web site, ask for FireGL drivers for Linux (not 8500) and you have to register to be able to download them (not a problem though, but another example of ATI lack of care of their customers nvidia's professional card, Quadro, is supported in their drivers too...) A direct link is here : http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/firegl/linux/linuxfireglx1z18x00x420296.h tml These drivers are dated of 28/03/03 !! That's a pity we have to beg for drivers for 8500 card... I gave a try. The installer is a lot nicer, but I have an error at compilation. Unfortunately, it tries to apply a patch to a kernel header, but fails, and cannot compile the fireglx.o driver. I'll have a better look and will report the problem. If someone else could give a try too. Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
This issue does need review so I decided to look into it. One problem off the bat was when I looked into Mesa3D v5.0.1. I seem to have an older version with Mandrake 9.1. I'll also check the CVS trees of Xfree86 and see what shakes loose. Its still early to get good feedback on the net about ATI issues with Mandrake 9.1 so guess I'll burn a few cycles doing it for you and ATI!!! ~Ken P.S. I'll have to get an old 8500-based card though... - Original Message - From: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) - Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) Starting from here: http://www.ati.com/developer/altoschart.pdf http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html 'radeon is a XFree86 driver for ATI RADEON based video cards. It contains full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel depths, dual-head setup, flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 cards like the Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500, FireGL X1/Z1), hardware cursor, XV extension, Xinerama extension.' So after reading your links and mharris' comments on ATI providing him with patches, DID those patches ever make it into XFree86 v4.3.0?!? Mharris' notes were in January. If not, then either MandrakeClub or ATI should be able to point you to an alternate updated driver that works under Xfree86 v4.3.0 and Mandrake 9.1 (release). I don't know if all these patches are in DRI, I guess so, since DRI drivers work indeed, but barely (textures are messy, poor performance). However, I can tell you that without reading any press release, ATI has not provided their proprietary drivers since november (the only way to have support for S3TC compression, which is patented and thus cannot be included in open source drivers). Why do you want me to say : ok, I am glad, ATI has a press release where they claim they will give drivers regularly, when new drivers have not been released for 6 months. I just see a difference between words and facts here. And it is also a pity that ATI do not give any feedback, do not open a forum, and barely listen to their customers. Eric
Re: ATI drivers for XF4.3 (FireGL but 8500 should work) (WAS: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349))
Try: rpm --rebuild *.rpm ~Ken - Original Message - From: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: ATI drivers for XF4.3 (FireGL but 8500 should work) (WAS: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)) - Original Message - From: Ken Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349) I'll investigate this further. That ATI driver should work under XFree86 v4.3.0 and Mandrake but I don't have a 8500 card to test. May go out today and get a OEM one if I can to evaluate. Will let you know. ~Ken Thank you very much, very kind of you. I just had some news : apparently, they have released new drivers for FireGL X1 card, and are backward compatible with R200. They even talk about glibc 2.3 and XFree 4.3 in their readme. You just have to go on their web site, ask for FireGL drivers for Linux (not 8500) and you have to register to be able to download them (not a problem though, but another example of ATI lack of care of their customers nvidia's professional card, Quadro, is supported in their drivers too...) A direct link is here : http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/firegl/linux/linuxfireglx1z18x00x420296.h tml These drivers are dated of 28/03/03 !! That's a pity we have to beg for drivers for 8500 card... I gave a try. The installer is a lot nicer, but I have an error at compilation. Unfortunately, it tries to apply a patch to a kernel header, but fails, and cannot compile the fireglx.o driver. I'll have a better look and will report the problem. If someone else could give a try too. Cheers Eric
Re: ATI drivers for XF4.3 (FireGL but 8500 should work) (WAS: Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349))
Try: rpm --rebuild *.rpm ~Ken I'll give atry thanks, but I don't think it'll help. The problem is that it looks for a file in the kernel headers and tries to apply a patch, in 2 different locations, but fails. I think the 2.4.21 kernel in mdk is modified so that it cannot do it. The best way would be to find the good place for patching. I don't know if it is possible to change its patching strategy. I'll give all the details tonight. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 01:19, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
I have had a lot of problem with this new release. One of the times I lost the
3d; the second try I get a switched off screen.
At the moment I have returned to textar Nvidia rpms.
Could anyone be so kind as to explain all the step to have it runing under
9.1?
OK, maybe you have the same problem I had when trying to install over
the old driver. You have to run the tool at runlevel 3 ('init 3' text
mode). You also have to unload the driver with 'rmmod nvidia', but I get
the following error:
WARNING: insmod.old: I am not the old version!
Can't open 'nvidia': No such file or directory
So the only way to forcibly remove the module is to delete nvidia.o from
/lib/modules/... with rm.
Then re-boot. Mandrake will fail to start up X. Then login as root on
the console and run the tool. It should then install everything OK.
Re-boot again (or restart gdm/kdm), and it should start X this time. My
machine has been running fine with this new version.
You will also need gcc and the kernel source installed if you are using
a custom kernel.
Ed-T.
Thansk so much in advance
El Lunes, 31 de Marzo de 2003 23:41, villin escribió:
Hello,
it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to
update easily it's drivers under linux...
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349
I'll try them asap as my download is finished.
Olivier
Re: [Plf-discuss] Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Ainsi parlait Levi Ramsey : On Tue Apr 01 0:01 +0200, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 23:41, villin wrote: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier gaaah, this is baaad.. give us back ze rpms Build RPMs yourself... they're now licensed such that they can be redistributed and repackaged, so long as the binary-only components are not modified? A candidate for PLF, perhaps? (Hence the Cc: to plf-discuss) Legality wasn't really the motivation. The original decision was to avoid everything present in mdk commercial section, to avoid redundancy first, and to keep boxed set an added value. However, now that club exists and tend to embrace everything, i'm not sure this policy will be relevant forever. -- The speed with which components become obsolete is directly proportional to the price of the component. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°9
Re: [Plf-discuss] Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait Levi Ramsey : Legality wasn't really the motivation. The original decision was to avoid everything present in mdk commercial section, to avoid redundancy first, and to keep boxed set an added value. However, now that club exists and tend to embrace everything, i'm not sure this policy will be relevant forever. Well, we used to prevent eroding the value of the boxed sets, and MandrakeClub IMHO qualifies as a boxed set subscription for 1 year, so I don't think we should erode the value of MandrakeClub either. The drivers still are not open-source, and even though PLF does include some software which is not open-source, the majority is. I don't think PLF's main purpose is to distribute non-free software. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+iWYDrJK6UGDSBKcRArJtAJ9f+B9CjM+8Uj1ytyNCPUYXSsUdZACgyPRj ihJVaEqX39IZbfm5YMtLN7A= =NTcP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Strange i have had no problem to use them. The old driver was running.
No need to remove it.
Just switch to runlevel 3 and launch the script.
Say that i want to compile and voila. And a few seconds later everything
was ok (Geforce 4 Ti 4200).
No need to reboot. Just had to change the rights on /dev/nvdia0 and
/dev/nvidiactl for my user for playing neverwinter night on Linux.
It seems to be faster and looks better. Maybe it was only my eyes that
were tired yesterday ;-)
For me it is easier to install than before. Newbie will appreciate.
Olivier.
Edward Tandi wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 01:19, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
I have had a lot of problem with this new release. One of the times I lost the
3d; the second try I get a switched off screen.
At the moment I have returned to textar Nvidia rpms.
Could anyone be so kind as to explain all the step to have it runing under
9.1?
OK, maybe you have the same problem I had when trying to install over
the old driver. You have to run the tool at runlevel 3 ('init 3' text
mode). You also have to unload the driver with 'rmmod nvidia', but I get
the following error:
WARNING: insmod.old: I am not the old version!
Can't open 'nvidia': No such file or directory
So the only way to forcibly remove the module is to delete nvidia.o from
/lib/modules/... with rm.
Then re-boot. Mandrake will fail to start up X. Then login as root on
the console and run the tool. It should then install everything OK.
Re-boot again (or restart gdm/kdm), and it should start X this time. My
machine has been running fine with this new version.
You will also need gcc and the kernel source installed if you are using
a custom kernel.
Ed-T.
Thansk so much in advance
El Lunes, 31 de Marzo de 2003 23:41, villin escribió:
Hello,
it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to
update easily it's drivers under linux...
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349
I'll try them asap as my download is finished.
Olivier
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 villin wrote: Strange i have had no problem to use them. The old driver was running. No need to remove it. Just switch to runlevel 3 and launch the script. Say that i want to compile and voila. And a few seconds later everything was ok (Geforce 4 Ti 4200). No need to reboot. Just had to change the rights on /dev/nvdia0 and /dev/nvidiactl for my user for playing neverwinter night on Linux. It seems to be faster and looks better. Maybe it was only my eyes that were tired yesterday ;-) For me it is easier to install than before. Newbie will appreciate. Olivier. It's easier with the Mandrake RPMS, which do the right thing and setup either devfs or pam_console to set the perms on /dev/nvidia*, so that a)it works for any user that logs in b)it doesn't leave them world writeable. - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+iW/0rJK6UGDSBKcRAvf+AKCh5xDUteTmgZDKCPkndR/OnRoZ5QCggtgm bIH1lRhgc6KNGQgqqI97Sz8= =RFAp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 villin wrote: Strange i have had no problem to use them. The old driver was running. No need to remove it. Just switch to runlevel 3 and launch the script. Say that i want to compile and voila. And a few seconds later everything was ok (Geforce 4 Ti 4200). No need to reboot. Just had to change the rights on /dev/nvdia0 and /dev/nvidiactl for my user for playing neverwinter night on Linux. It seems to be faster and looks better. Maybe it was only my eyes that were tired yesterday ;-) For me it is easier to install than before. Newbie will appreciate. Olivier. It's easier with the Mandrake RPMS, which do the right thing and setup either devfs or pam_console to set the perms on /dev/nvidia*, so that a)it works for any user that logs in b)it doesn't leave them world writeable. You are right it is better with MDK RPMS. But everybody don't have club access, buy mandrake Pack or use urpmi source containing Nvdia rpm. So the first thing they do is to go to the Nvidia web site in order to get their video card working under linux. So i just wanted to say that Nvidia has provide a better way of installing their driver for newbie. I have seen so many people on this list or on expert trying to install them unsuccessfully that i hope this solution will help them. Of course i agree with you it's not like we want secure and open source. Olivier.
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tuesday 01 April 2003 07:53 am, Olivier Villin wrote: Of course i agree with you it's not like we want secure and open source. Olivier. Did you all see that nVidia's license now allows redistribution for the linux drivers? 2.1.2 Linux Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux operating system may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files). -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 01 April 2003 07:53 am, Olivier Villin wrote: Of course i agree with you it's not like we want secure and open source. Olivier. Did you all see that nVidia's license now allows redistribution for the linux drivers? 2.1.2 Linux Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux operating system may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files). BTW, this has been like this for a while. But that still doesn't mean it should be in the distro or PLF (in case that is what you meant), just as the freely distributable winmodem drivers aren't. Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+iaCrrJK6UGDSBKcRAl8nAKCTyatIjkuVQ2m500/rjdBDH4DMSgCgt6fC D3eg//Jl583RCjUMErnnoro= =qtbZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:26:33 -0800 (PST), villin wrote:
Strange i have had no problem to use them. The old driver was running.
No need to remove it.
Just switch to runlevel 3 and launch the script.
Say that i want to compile and voila. And a few seconds later everything
was ok (Geforce 4 Ti 4200).
No need to reboot. Just had to change the rights on /dev/nvdia0 and
/dev/nvidiactl for my user for playing neverwinter night on Linux.
It seems to be faster and looks better. Maybe it was only my eyes that
were tired yesterday ;-)
For me it is easier to install than before. Newbie will appreciate.
Olivier.
Edward Tandi wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 01:19, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
I have had a lot of problem with this new release. One of the times I lost
the
3d; the second try I get a switched off screen.
At the moment I have returned to textar Nvidia rpms.
Could anyone be so kind as to explain all the step to have it runing under
9.1?
OK, maybe you have the same problem I had when trying to install over
the old driver. You have to run the tool at runlevel 3 ('init 3' text
mode). You also have to unload the driver with 'rmmod nvidia', but I get
the following error:
WARNING: insmod.old: I am not the old version!
Can't open 'nvidia': No such file or directory
So the only way to forcibly remove the module is to delete nvidia.o from
/lib/modules/... with rm.
Then re-boot. Mandrake will fail to start up X. Then login as root on
the console and run the tool. It should then install everything OK.
Re-boot again (or restart gdm/kdm), and it should start X this time. My
machine has been running fine with this new version.
You will also need gcc and the kernel source installed if you are using
a custom kernel.
Ed-T.
Thansk so much in advance
El Lunes, 31 de Marzo de 2003 23:41, villin escribió:
Hello,
it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to
update easily it's drivers under linux...
I'll try them asap as my download is finished.
Olivier
Just a note from something I noticed on my system.
The message:
WARNING: insmod.old: I am not the old version!
Can't open 'nvidia': No such file or directory
Means you have installed the module tools for 2.5 kernel compatibility twice.
Normally, if the kernel is a 2.4.X kernel, the tool calls the old (2.4.X) tool
to do the operation. You probably need to uninstall the 2.5 tools, force an
install/update of the 2.4 module tools, and then install 2.5 tools a single
time.
Paul Misner
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 09:22, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:
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On Tuesday 01 April 2003 10:13, Edward Tandi wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 01:19, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
I have had a lot of problem with this new release. One of the times I
lost the 3d; the second try I get a switched off screen.
At the moment I have returned to textar Nvidia rpms.
Could anyone be so kind as to explain all the step to have it runing
under 9.1?
OK, maybe you have the same problem I had when trying to install over
the old driver. You have to run the tool at runlevel 3 ('init 3' text
mode). You also have to unload the driver with 'rmmod nvidia', but I get
the following error:
WARNING: insmod.old: I am not the old version!
Can't open 'nvidia': No such file or directory
probably some mess with that package.. use rmmod-24
Yes that was it. For some reason /etc/alternatives/rmmod was pointing to
rmmod-25. Can't think why.
Ed-T.
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Buchan, I have gone to the mandrake club and I haven't seen any link to the NVIDIA news rpms. I am having lot of problems trying to install the Nvidia run file, even following the Mandrake experience recomendation (http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/?c=ttrls/nvidianew), in the best case I have a black screeen and problems to load dhcp module. Perhaps I have problems with perms???, no idea. Could you be so kind as giving me the link to download the Mandrake rpms?? Thanks so much in advance It's easier with the Mandrake RPMS, which do the right thing and setup either devfs or pam_console to set the perms on /dev/nvidia*, so that a)it works for any user that logs in b)it doesn't leave them world writeable. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain)
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Francisco Alcaraz wrote: I have gone to the mandrake club and I haven't seen any link to the NVIDIA news rpms. I am having lot of problems trying to install the Nvidia run file, even following the Mandrake experience recomendation (http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/?c=ttrls/nvidianew), in the best case I have a black screeen and problems to load dhcp module. Perhaps I have problems with perms???, no idea. Could you be so kind as giving me the link to download the Mandrake rpms?? From http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.1/ByName.html http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_GLX-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-enterprise-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-smp-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm You should be able to install them quite easily with urpmi though (using --wget option at present until fixed urpmi is out) I downloaded in advance though .. since I knew I would want them. Regards, Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Thanks a lot Buchan; Regards El Miércoles, 2 de Abril de 2003 00:17, Buchan Milne escribió: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Francisco Alcaraz wrote: I have gone to the mandrake club and I haven't seen any link to the NVIDIA news rpms. I am having lot of problems trying to install the Nvidia run file, even following the Mandrake experience recomendation (http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/?c=ttrls/nvidianew), in the best case I have a black screeen and problems to load dhcp module. Perhaps I have problems with perms???, no idea. Could you be so kind as giving me the link to download the Mandrake rpms?? From http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.1/ByName.html http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_GLX-4321-3mdk.i 586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.21.0 .13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-enterpri se-2.4.21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm http://www.mandrakeclub.com/downloads2/comm/9.1/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-smp-2.4. 21.0.13mdk-4321-3mdk.i586.rpm You should be able to install them quite easily with urpmi though (using --wget option at present until fixed urpmi is out) I downloaded in advance though .. since I knew I would want them. Regards, Buchan -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain)
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:17:11 +0200 (SAST) Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should be able to install them quite easily with urpmi though (using --wget option at present until fixed urpmi is out) Yes, but these are now 'old' driver Not the new 4349 drivers. The only rpms available for the 4349 are on the nvidia ftp dl page and are for SuSE only. But even these, as well as the gz, are the last such pkgs that nvidia will offer. All future releases will be offered only in .run format. Charles -- But they went to MARS around 1953!! - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.13mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Le Mardi 1 Avril 2003 15:57, Greg Meyer a écrit : Did you all see that nVidia's license now allows redistribution for the linux drivers? 2.1.2 Linux Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux operating system may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files). IMHO, this is because NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run includes the license and then it is necessary to accept it before installing the software. -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 31 March 2003 23:41, villin wrote: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier gaaah, this is baaad.. give us back ze rpms - -- Regards, Per Øyvind Karlsen Sintrax Solutions http://www.sintrax.net - +47 41681061 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+iLq3v8F7V9JOSuURAmi+AKDNZzQep97L4IJ+MKKfJuKx+6fExACgrw7X WZ+dQX1PZjoT/URjBMVp95g= =IfjI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On 04.01, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 31 March 2003 23:41, villin wrote: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier gaaah, this is baaad.. give us back ze rpms ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4349/ -- J.A. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Software is like sex: werewolf.able.es \ It's better when it's free Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 Linux 2.4.21-pre6-jam1 (gcc 3.2.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.2-3mdk))
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
Oliver, The source is still there. You need to use the --extract-only option. It would appear that NVidia have done a good job in making the install much easier for the average user. I use a custom kernel, and it built/installed a new module without problem. Ed-T. On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 22:41, villin wrote: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
I have had a lot of problem with this new release. One of the times I lost the 3d; the second try I get a switched off screen. At the moment I have returned to textar Nvidia rpms. Could anyone be so kind as to explain all the step to have it runing under 9.1? Thansk so much in advance El Lunes, 31 de Marzo de 2003 23:41, villin escribió: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain)
Re: [Cooker] New Nvidia drivers for Linux (4349)
On Tue Apr 01 0:01 +0200, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 23:41, villin wrote: Hello, it seems that nvidia is trying to make a step not to open source but to update easily it's drivers under linux... http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I'll try them asap as my download is finished. Olivier gaaah, this is baaad.. give us back ze rpms Build RPMs yourself... they're now licensed such that they can be redistributed and repackaged, so long as the binary-only components are not modified? A candidate for PLF, perhaps? (Hence the Cc: to plf-discuss) -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Megadeth - Risk - Ecstasy Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 23:00:22 up 8 days, 3:19, 11 users, load average: 0.11, 0.17, 0.14
