Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (respondents, religion, modules, TMiaHM)

2003-03-03 Thread Leon Brooks
On Sunday 02 March 2003 10:09 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
 On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, N Smethurst wrote:
 to reflect that it is a general text study tool and not
 something aimed at the study of religious material.

 No one claimed the aim of the software was anything but to assist in
 studying religious material. However, it is not the *only* use of the
 software.

Agree, they ship a 14MB Webster's English Dictionary from that site, for 
example.

Cheers; Leon




Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (respondents, religion, modules, TMiaHM)

2003-03-02 Thread N Smethurst
Le Dimanche 2 Mars 2003 03:01, Leon Brooks a écrit :
 The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious
 material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason.

Fine, this sounds like a good idea. Now all we have to do in order to ensure a 
non-biased nature is change the name of the software to reflect that it is 
not specifcally associated with the sword project, remove all references to 
specific interest groups, and remove all Christian material from the 
Gnomesword website to reflect that it is a general text study tool and not 
something aimed at the study of religious material.







Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (respondents, religion, modules,TMiaHM)

2003-03-02 Thread Buchan Milne
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, N Smethurst wrote:

 Le Dimanche 2 Mars 2003 03:01, Leon Brooks a écrit :
  The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious
  material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason.

 Fine, this sounds like a good idea. Now all we have to do in order to ensure a
 non-biased nature is change the name of the software to reflect that it is
 not specifcally associated with the sword project,

It would be a bit difficult to include BibleTime and GnomeSword without
the library they depend on ... and the sword library would be required for
any text and any frontend.

 remove all references to
 specific interest groups, and remove all Christian material from the
 Gnomesword website

Last I checked, the packages did not include the Gnomesword website ;-).

 to reflect that it is a general text study tool and not
 something aimed at the study of religious material.

No one claimed the aim of the software was anything but to assist in
studying religious material. However, it is not the *only* use of the
software.

One would expect the sword project to mainly provide religious modules,
but that does not prevent anyone else from providing additional modules.
Both frontends do make more provision for religious modules than anything
else, but that is probably partly attributable to the lack of other
non-religious modules.

But if you have issues with the software, please take it up with the
authors. We are only discussing whether or not it should be placed in
contrib or not, and I haven't seen any other software excluded due to the
content of their web page.

I am concerned that the help may be overly religiously inclined though (at
least in BibleTime).

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Religious software (respondents, religion, modules, TMiaHM)

2003-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 13:02, N Smethurst wrote:
 Le Dimanche 2 Mars 2003 03:01, Leon Brooks a écrit :
  The software is also very useful as a study framework for non-religious
  material. Try it and see. I would specifically include it for that reason.
 
 Fine, this sounds like a good idea. Now all we have to do in order to ensure a 
 non-biased nature is change the name of the software to reflect that it is 
 not specifcally associated with the sword project, remove all references to 
 specific interest groups, and remove all Christian material from the 
 Gnomesword website to reflect that it is a general text study tool and not 
 something aimed at the study of religious material.

Why? This is ridiculous. We don't control Gnomesword's website. The
personal beliefs and intended uses of its author(s) are completely
irrelevant. It's a useful tool to include in the distribution, with a
wide range of uses; include it. Lots of people who write software that
we include publically espouse beliefs that are controversial for one
reason or another, whether about free software or religion or anything
else. It doesn't matter.
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adamw