Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:27 am, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Which remember me that if we were able to split headers from real sources, you won't need to install 30Mo package to build those additional kernel modules. Maybe there are technical arguments i didn't caught however, as it seems we already had this discussion. It may be time for a Cut of the packages then. Its almost LAW that you need to have the source for all packages used easily availible. Speaking of which is there a listing of what files are on what set? ie file short description Pro D/L Disc just as a what exactly do i get not get by getting say the prosuite dvd only
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Quel Qun wrote: This is surely not a move. I once reported it for 9.0 or 9.1, I don't remember. Then Warly said he was using his own scripts to select the iso rpms, so I didn't bother crying again about the same problem. It's just an oversight I assume. Now, if the power pack has the NVidia drivers, this will surely provide for 90% of the users need. I think a lot more than 10% will be using kernel-multimedia or kernel-tmb. d.
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 04:51, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 01:03 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: The 3-CD bought edition has exactly the same free software as the 3-CD free edition. The only added stuff is non-free stuff (Nvidia drivers etc); there's still some of main left out. It's not a commercial decision, it's a space decision (you can't get all of main on 3 CDs). Well, my set of PowerPack iso's that I downloaded from Club has the kernel-source package on cd3, so I don't think it is exactly the same. I said 3-CD bought edition. Not PowerPack. ... Hmm. I notice from the website it appears there won't *be* a 3-CD bought edition of 9.2. How odd. It lists a 2-CD discovery edition, then the PowerPack and the ProSuite. MDKsoft care to comment? -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Quel Qun wrote:
This is surely not a move. I once reported it for 9.0 or 9.1, I don't
remember. Then Warly said he was using his own scripts to select the iso
rpms, so I didn't bother crying again about the same problem. It's just
an oversight I assume. Now, if the power pack has the NVidia drivers,
this will surely provide for 90% of the users need.
I think a lot more than 10% will be using kernel-multimedia or kernel-tmb.
But, their needs are provided since kernel-tmb-source and
kernel-multimedia-source are in the same place as kernel-tmb* and
kernel-multimedia*.
BTW, all boxed sets (and MandrakeClub) seem to have ATI_{GLX,kernel},
NVIDIA_{GLX,kernel}, the NForce stuff, and some winmodem (features page
says only Conexant, but Club has ltmodem too). Plus in contrib we have
win4lin kernels.
Now *that* should cater to at least 90% (the rest being those who
compile their own and the VMWare users).
Regards,
Buchan
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Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Buchan Milne wrote: But, their needs are provided since kernel-tmb-source and kernel-multimedia-source are in the same place as kernel-tmb* and kernel-multimedia*. duh..me stupid and not thinking. you're right. d.
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Adam Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm. I notice from the website it appears there won't *be* a 3-CD bought edition of 9.2. How odd. It lists a 2-CD discovery edition, then the PowerPack and the ProSuite. MDKsoft care to comment? see http://www.mandrakelinux.com/fr/9.2/features/ : - simplified box oriented for soho, desktop, small office - 1 set of tool (no duplicates) - kde enforced - nv/ati/... drivers provided so kernel-source missing is not so a pb (kernel-source being availlable with kernel update)
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot say i am very happy with this descission. Or was it a mistake? I surely hope so. Explaining people they have to install correct kernelsource to avoid problems when using/installing nvidia, win4lin, vmware and a dozen other things is difficult enough, not putting them on the download edition is not going to make it better. Hey, it might be necessary for nvidia and vmware, but it's not necessary for win4lin (unless someone needs it on one of the newer more obscure flavours like i686-4GB or whatever ...) ;-). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jSX8rJK6UGDSBKcRAtEAAJ9iFMX2DoLqDeeHeR5erRy4FST5iwCdH1q/ QXHfIVohgbHDemjysI2W0Og= =z9JM -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Ainsi parlait [EMAIL PROTECTED] : I cannot say i am very happy with this descission. Or was it a mistake? I surely hope so. Explaining people they have to install correct kernelsource to avoid problems when using/installing nvidia, win4lin, vmware and a dozen other things is difficult enough, not putting them on the download edition is not going to make it better. If it was a space consideration, why do we have 2 apache-source (what is it for?) and 3 (!) versions of the kernel docs there (and probably lots of other redundant stuff). Which remember me that if we were able to split headers from real sources, you won't need to install 30Mo package to build those additional kernel modules. Maybe there are technical arguments i didn't caught however, as it seems we already had this discussion. -- Guillaume Rousse The night before the English history midterm, your Biology instructor will assign two hundred pages on planaria. Corollary: Every instructor assumes that you have nothing else to do except study for that instructor's course. -- Laws of Applied Terror n°4
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some documentations from the download edition instead of the kernel-source. Now tutorials about rpmdrake will be more complex... At least, it is still possible to add main and contrib media, even if you leave the CDs media. Are there other packages that are in Mandrake/RPMS and that are not in the 3CD DE ? Are they all in the 3CD Powerpack edition ? But as you mentioned it, there will be a kernel update very soon, so the sources should be updated too. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It's not a move. It has been like this since at least 9.0, maybe even 8.2 (there was a large outcry about abiword being missing for 9.0 I think). It would be better to remove some documentations from the download edition instead of the kernel-source. Now tutorials about rpmdrake will be more complex... The tutorials that are now necessary because the documentation is missing ? ;-) At least, it is still possible to add main and contrib media, even if you leave the CDs media. Are there other packages that are in Mandrake/RPMS and that are not in the 3CD DE ? Of course: $ du -sh 9.1/i586/ 2.3G9.1/i586 (so, unless you have a way to get 2.3GB into 3 CDs ) 9.2 will only be worse (more packages moved into main). Are they all in the 3CD Powerpack edition ? They are all in ProSuite, and I think all on the workstation DVD, I'm not sure about Powerpack. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/jV68rJK6UGDSBKcRAtdUAJ0eOEbyzjOhnRyTobaAIKQVBSEmUgCeLOn8 +PbW6Sv1nlpt3efEjYgmZuw= =8pw4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some documentations from the download edition instead of the kernel-source. Now tutorials about rpmdrake will be more complex... At least, it is still possible to add main and contrib media, even if you leave the CDs media. Are there other packages that are in Mandrake/RPMS and that are not in the 3CD DE ? Are they all in the 3CD Powerpack edition ? But as you mentioned it, there will be a kernel update very soon, so the sources should be updated too. Eric OK, I answer to myself : the main repository in Cooker and 9.2 folders is 2460MB big. So it would need 4 CDs. to be entirely burnt. I wonder what is the difference between main hdlist.cz and the 3CD editions. I will try to make a diff between the two file lists. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Buchan Milne wrote: They are all in ProSuite, and I think all on the workstation DVD, I'm not sure about Powerpack. Regards, Buchan Thanks Buchan Actually I always thought main was the 3CD download edition. My mistake. I'll try to find a command to make a list of missing packages. Anyway, what is nice with urpmi is that media can overlap, and if the same package are on two different media, it asks first for the removable one. That's clever and finally makes the urpmi documentation not that difficult. Kind regards. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:41, Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some It's been desynchronised for a while. The download edition hasn't contained everything from main for quite a long time, IIRC. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:41, Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some It's been desynchronised for a while. The download edition hasn't contained everything from main for quite a long time, IIRC. -- Not all that strange, actually. Mandrake is trying to make money, so they have to provide some kind of incentive for people to buy the CD sets and PowerPacks. If the downlaod edition was exactly the same as what you bought in the store, would you buy it, or download it? I know which I would do.
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 17:41, Matthew D. Pitts wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 15:41, Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some It's been desynchronised for a while. The download edition hasn't contained everything from main for quite a long time, IIRC. -- Not all that strange, actually. Mandrake is trying to make money, so they have to provide some kind of incentive for people to buy the CD sets and PowerPacks. If the downlaod edition was exactly the same as what you bought in the store, would you buy it, or download it? I know which I would do. The 3-CD bought edition has exactly the same free software as the 3-CD free edition. The only added stuff is non-free stuff (Nvidia drivers etc); there's still some of main left out. It's not a commercial decision, it's a space decision (you can't get all of main on 3 CDs). -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:41, Matthew D. Pitts wrote: Not all that strange, actually. Mandrake is trying to make money, so they have to provide some kind of incentive for people to buy the CD sets and PowerPacks. If the downlaod edition was exactly the same as what you bought in the store, would you buy it, or download it? I know which I would do. I dunno, I usually download it, buy the powerpack, and then the powerpack sits there shrinkwrapped because I've already downloaded a copy of all of contrib and never find I need the commercial stuff. I still have a club membership and buy the powerpacks... I suppose I might not be typical, but regardless, kernel-sources doesn't seem like a real ooh, i gotta go pay my 70 bucks right now sort of item, it's more like an oversight. Rob
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 07:27, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait [EMAIL PROTECTED] : I cannot say i am very happy with this descission. Or was it a mistake? I surely hope so. Explaining people they have to install correct kernelsource to avoid problems when using/installing nvidia, win4lin, vmware and a dozen other things is difficult enough, not putting them on the download edition is not going to make it better. If it was a space consideration, why do we have 2 apache-source (what is it for?) and 3 (!) versions of the kernel docs there (and probably lots of other redundant stuff). This is surely not a move. I once reported it for 9.0 or 9.1, I don't remember. Then Warly said he was using his own scripts to select the iso rpms, so I didn't bother crying again about the same problem. It's just an oversight I assume. Now, if the power pack has the NVidia drivers, this will surely provide for 90% of the users need. Which remember me that if we were able to split headers from real sources, you won't need to install 30Mo package to build those additional kernel modules. Hmmm. I think I saw today that kernel-source requires 120MB to be installed. That would indeed be nice to find a solution. Split the different module categories (sound, network, etc.)? Maybe there are technical arguments i didn't caught however, as it seems we already had this discussion. -- _ _ _ _ | |_| | |_/ | | / / -_) | / / | |_\_\___|_|_\_\_| @ sbcglobal.net
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 01:03 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: The 3-CD bought edition has exactly the same free software as the 3-CD free edition. The only added stuff is non-free stuff (Nvidia drivers etc); there's still some of main left out. It's not a commercial decision, it's a space decision (you can't get all of main on 3 CDs). Well, my set of PowerPack iso's that I downloaded from Club has the kernel-source package on cd3, so I don't think it is exactly the same. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
