Re: [Cooker] Menudrake eats mdk menu?
Issue is fixed after running "update-menus -v", *only* after removing the file "~/.menu/added_by_menudrake" which had an error in it which was hanging update-menus. Full menu then returns, along with proper window focus behavior, missing context menus in apps, and file associations. -- Update-menus[11384]: Running method:/etc/menu-methods//menu In file "/home/jamey/.menu/added_by_menudrake", at (or in the definition that ends at) line 19: [...] package="menu" section="Fluxbox/Styles/" title="" [...] ^ Missing (or empty) tag: title This tag needs to defined for the menuentry to make sense. Note, BTW, that update-menus re-arranges the order of the tags found in the menu entry files, so that the part above isn't literal /etc/menu-methods//menu: Aborting -- Still not sure if this is a bug or not, but I haven't used fluxbox in a few weeks. The closest I've come to it is simply installing fbdesk two days ago. Jamey
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake eats mdk menu?
On 3. October 2003 at 09:45, Sascha Noyes wrote: > > Running freshly updated cooker, attempted to add two programs to the menu. > > Upon saving changes and updating menu, the Mandrake menu fails to appear. > > The first few entries (up to "what to do".) Tried restarting X, and > > rebooting, to no avail. > > I have encountered the exact same problem, and am now running the kde menu. Is > there any more info I can provide? Are others seeing this? yes, i can see it too. in most cases is helpfull remove ~/.kde/share/applnk* directories from user home directory and run handy update-menus -v note: -v is mandatory, without it update-menus doesn't work anything.. -- member of Advanced InternetWorks group -> http://www.ainetworks.sk professional home page -> http://tibor.pittich.sk personal home page -> http://c0re.phuture.sk pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake eats mdk menu?
On Thursday 02 October 2003 03:15 pm, Jamey Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Running freshly updated cooker, attempted to add two programs to the menu. > Upon saving changes and updating menu, the Mandrake menu fails to appear. > The first few entries (up to "what to do".) Tried restarting X, and > rebooting, to no avail. I have encountered the exact same problem, and am now running the kde menu. Is there any more info I can provide? Are others seeing this? Best, Sascha Noyes
Re: [Cooker] menudrake segfaults
On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:55:09 -0500, Charles A Edwards wrote: > Running menudrake. > > Update user config app will segfault when loading of pixmaps is > complete. > Update system config app will segfault when loading of pixmaps is > complete. Reproduced here.. Please fill a bug so I don't forget it.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake Broken
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:47:36 +, nDiScReEt wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:09 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:09 +, nDiScReEt wrote: >> > This message is in MIME format. >> >> Can't read your message... > > Sorry, somewhere it lost my original message but because I have kmail set to > most secure it won't view any HTML documents. Weird, considering I wasn't > trying to send a HTML message. Anyhow, here is the problem reposted: > > When I run menudrake (as root), from within MCC I can not load the menu. If I > try to run mcc with the command "su -c mcc" I get the following error: > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > Cannot be run in console mode. > Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 34. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 34. > > If I do the same with menudrake from the command line, "su -c menudrake", I > can run menudrake and make changes to the root menu or system menu. So > ...technically Menudrake isn't broken... just broken from within mcc. More simple : MCC is broken and need to be fixed :)) -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake Broken
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:47:36AM -0600, nDiScReEt wrote: > On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:09 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:09 +, nDiScReEt wrote: > > > This message is in MIME format. > > > > Can't read your message... > > Sorry, somewhere it lost my original message but because I have kmail set to > most secure it won't view any HTML documents. Weird, considering I wasn't > trying to send a HTML message. Anyhow, here is the problem reposted: It didn't send HTML. It sent a single text/plain attachment with the name "clearsigned data". All that was contained in the attachment was the text "This message is in MIME format." -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org "If you're not making any mistakes, you're flat out not trying hard enough." - Jim Nichols
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake Broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:09 am, Frederic Crozat wrote: > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:09 +, nDiScReEt wrote: > > This message is in MIME format. > > Can't read your message... Sorry, somewhere it lost my original message but because I have kmail set to most secure it won't view any HTML documents. Weird, considering I wasn't trying to send a HTML message. Anyhow, here is the problem reposted: When I run menudrake (as root), from within MCC I can not load the menu. If I try to run mcc with the command "su -c mcc" I get the following error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Cannot be run in console mode. Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 34. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 34. If I do the same with menudrake from the command line, "su -c menudrake", I can run menudrake and make changes to the root menu or system menu. So ...technically Menudrake isn't broken... just broken from within mcc. rpm -qa|grep drak draksync-9.0-1mdk mandrake_doc-en-9.0-1mdk harddrake-9.1-0.3mdk drakxtools-9.1-0.3mdk menudrake-0.7.2-1mdk drakcronat-0.1.3-1mdk mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk drakfirsttime-0.16-12mdk rpmdrake-2.0-27mdk drakwizard-1.0-4mdk drakconf-9.1-0.3mdk mandrake-mime-0.3-1mdk drakxtools-newt-9.1-0.3mdk rfbdrake-0.8.3-8mdk harddrake-ui-9.1-0.3mdk mandrake_desk-9.0-21mdk userdrake-0.5-5mdk - -- - Altoine B Maximum Time Unlimited Chicago Based and Operated http://pgp.mit.edu - I judge a religion as being good or bad based on whether its adherents become better people as a result of practicing it. - - Joe Mullally, computer salesman - 2.4.20-2nder Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Cooker) for i586 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ALS+xjybQmhmUgYRAgD7AJ97Cqa3+r3G1wmmBBNguahyh/ZduQCfZ2a/ AX3+HgGpgKJcBqBD2rkkuOY= =rOQU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake Broken
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:09 +, nDiScReEt wrote: > This message is in MIME format. Can't read your message... -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake Broken
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, nDiScReEt wrote: > This message is in MIME format. nice. plain text would be cool. SCNR, Matthias. -- Public Key ID: 0x8078B10C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] menudrake
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:52:27 +, Mario Vazquez wrote: > Things that could improve menudrake. > > 1) Option to run programs as root. This is exactly the kind of thing we should NOT add. Running applications as root is DANGEROUS and only applications which requires root privileges should need such attention and it is already done at packaging level.. > 2) More flexibility in icon selection (a file requester would be nice) Already in bugzilla.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake seg fault
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:44:52 +0100 Pascal Terjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simon Ree wrote: > > >Hmmm, I just rechecked what I have from this list and > >still do not see where this had been reported before but > >did not check the archives. > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=103780723310091&w=2 > > > Thanks, I am missing the whole thread -- Simon Ree msg82037/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake seg fault
Simon Ree wrote: Hmmm, I just rechecked what I have from this list and still do not see where this had been reported before but did not check the archives. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=103780723310091&w=2
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake seg fault
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:46:18 +0100 "Frederic Crozat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:33:55 +, Simon Ree wrote: > > > --jHRioq4t=.owBf+D > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi, > > > > After todays cooker update, menudrake is seg faulting. > > > > (menudrake:14986): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot > > create instance of abstract (non-instantiatable) type > > `GtkObject' Segmentation fault > > > > Any thoughts? What else can I send? > > Please, read previous messages before posting.. > > It has already been reported and I've said I'll check that > (I have the crash here too..) , but only GNOME 2.1.2 will > be fully integrated in cooker.. > > -- > Frederic Crozat > MandrakeSoft > > Hmmm, I just rechecked what I have from this list and still do not see where this had been reported before but did not check the archives. So I apologize, however, I believe the previous response to my post was enough to inform me of the status of this issue :) -- Simon Ree msg82030/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake seg fault
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:33:55 +, Simon Ree wrote: > --jHRioq4t=.owBf+D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi, > > After todays cooker update, menudrake is seg faulting. > > (menudrake:14986): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot create > instance of abstract (non-instantiatable) type `GtkObject' > Segmentation fault > > Any thoughts? What else can I send? Please, read previous messages before posting.. It has already been reported and I've said I'll check that (I have the crash here too..) , but only GNOME 2.1.2 will be fully integrated in cooker.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake seg fault
Simon Ree wrote: Hi, After todays cooker update, menudrake is seg faulting. (menudrake:14986): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot create instance of abstract (non-instantiatable) type `GtkObject' Segmentation fault Any thoughts? What else can I send? Regards Simon Ree it's already been noticed, Crozat is investigating:) -- Mvh Per Øyvind Karlsen Delonic Technology Group AS Sysadmin, developer, greasemonkey www.delonic.no - +47 41681061
Re: [Cooker] menudrake segfault
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:20:29 +0100 "Frederic Crozat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now people now was it costs to live on the bleeding edge :)) This ain't the edge. It does not compare to when we were switching from libpng2 to 3. Now that was fun. (-: Charles Every silver lining has a cloud around it. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: [Cooker] menudrake segfault
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 17:20, Frederic Crozat wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:44:58 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote: [snip] > Now people now was it costs to live on the bleeding edge :)) Now people know what it costs to live on the bleeding edge
Re: [Cooker] menudrake segfault
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:44:58 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote: > # menudrake > > (menudrake:4482): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot create instance of > abstract (non-instantiatable) type `GtkObject' Segmentation fault (core > dumped) Known.. Will investigate.. Now people now was it costs to live on the bleeding edge :)) -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:39:10 -0700, crazy mand wrote: > I'm using 9.0 final; I' m having a problem with > menudrake in Mandrake Control Center. I added a new > item in system menu and unchecked "run in terminal", > but whenever the app ran, a terminal was brought up. > Anyone knows the location of global location for > system menu so that I can manualy remove "run in > terminal". Currently there is a bug in menudrake regarding the "run in a terminal" : -by default, new entries should have the "run in terminal" disabled -if you are running in "Environment: All environment", "run in terminal" works correctly. -if you are running in "Environment: GNOME" (or KDE, etc..), "run in terminal" doesn't have any effect and is not saved.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake
/usr/lib/menu --- crazy mand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using 9.0 final; I' m having a problem with > menudrake in Mandrake Control Center. I added a new > item in system menu and unchecked "run in terminal", > but whenever the app ran, a terminal was brought up. > Anyone knows the location of global location for > system menu so that I can manualy remove "run in > terminal". > > Thanks! > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] menudrake
Le Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:54:07 -0400, Yura Gusev a écrit : > In menudrake there "extended" tab where you can set charset, order... It > does not work with mouse. I cant set values and press OK or cancel. > menudrake-0.7.1-1mdk > icewm-gnome-1.2.0-3mdk No problem here.. Are you sure it is not a problem in your window manager ? -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake
Le Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:29:59 +0200, Tom Whiting a écrit : > Ok, going through and experimenting with things a little bit, I ran into > something that, well, it's kinda boggling. Using the default menu works > well, until you're ready to add something to the gnome (or kde) menus. In > this case, it's rather confusing to say the least. > > For example: > This morning, I added Ksplash/ML which adds an entry to the default KDE > settings menu. I looked and looked and looked, using the default drake > menu, but it just didn't show up, so I had to go back into the kde menu > to configure things such as splash screen, as well as a few other misc > settings that didn't make it to the Drake menus. Because it adds it menu entry to "original" KDE menu, not Mandrake menu.. > I've personally stuck with the KDE menu, adding drake configuration tools > (menudrake, userdrake, etc) to another menu INSIDE of the kde menus. Would > it be possible though, to have an option (as with the other two menus) to > add a link to the basic menus (configuration/what to do section) if you're > using the default Gnome/KDE menus? This would certainly help I'm sure. It could be possible but it is up to KDE packager to say if they want that or not.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
RE: [Cooker] MenuDrake putting menus in .kde3 instead of .kde
This seems related, I have both a .kde and .kde3 directory. When I start kde it seems to look in .kde for my kpersonalizerc file, finds it empty, and then proceeds through the process but saves the kdepersonalizerc file to .kde3 - i think. Anyway kpersonalizerc doesn't get saved in .kde. Also when turning off zoomicons and saving it didn't work until I removed my .kde3 directory and ln -s .kde .kde3. Is there just general confusion in kde apps as to which directory to use? > I have kde3 running our of .kde instead of .kde3 but everytime i install > or > uninstall something it doesn't come out of my menu..but it modifies > the > menu entries under .kde3/share/applnk-mdk > /etc/menu-methods/kde3: rootprefix="/usr/share/applnk-mdk" userprefix=".kde3/share/applnk-mdk" Unfortunately, menu does not seem to play well with KDEHOME. It does not also seem to be any easy way (if at all) to access environment out of menu methods. -andrej __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake putting menus in .kde3 instead of .kde
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:07:20 +0200, Jeremy Salch wrote : > I have kde3 running our of .kde instead of .kde3 but everytime i > install or uninstall something it doesn't come out of my menu..but > it modifies the menu entries under .kde3/share/applnk-mdk It it a problem with KDE menu-method, not menudrake.. -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
RE: [Cooker] MenuDrake putting menus in .kde3 instead of .kde
> I have kde3 running our of .kde instead of .kde3 but everytime i install > or > uninstall something it doesn't come out of my menu..but it modifies > the > menu entries under .kde3/share/applnk-mdk > /etc/menu-methods/kde3: rootprefix="/usr/share/applnk-mdk" userprefix=".kde3/share/applnk-mdk" Unfortunately, menu does not seem to play well with KDEHOME. It does not also seem to be any easy way (if at all) to access environment out of menu methods. -andrej
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Hoyt wrote: > In the context, "you" implied me, personally, but now I realize that your > grammar skills aren't adequate for me to assume _anything_ about what you > write; "you" could have meant Mandrake, or the mail list readers or 'yo > momma. That's an excellent example of the miscommunication that occurs here. First, I am a native English speaker. Second, the use of the comma makes no difference. Sometimes when one speaks it's not clear that there is or isn't a comma there, but there are certain rules one has to follow when writing the sentence. > But gosh, Dave, then why did Frédéric appear to "get it"? Maybe he didn't > and simple reponded in a polite way. Who really knows? He engineered a quick > end to the conversation between he and I and that's all that was necessary. Actually, I pointed out how "First" might be condescending, so it was in your favor, but most probably he meant nothing by the comment. I agree that the use of "you" and/or "we" could have been misconstued, but don't get so upset. Anyway, I still stick to my belief that when someone uses "First" in such a way the implied "Second" is "to stop complaining". I didn't mean to say that you were complaining so much as pointing out that's what the sentence means, both in English, and Fench, and possibly other Romance languages. In any case, this is really getting off-topic now, unless someone with an English degree wants to settle it once and for all ;) -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Hoyt wrote: > > There is no 'second' the implied second is "First wait, before > > complaining". > I try and cut struggling non-native English speakers some slack, but > Frédéric seems to have a pretty good command of the language. I haven't read > enough of yours to form an opinion. Are you saying that his use of the word "First" implies bad command of the language? I am trying to explain to you that when someone says "First" they don't mean there is a second. You say that this is a joke, but it's such a common occurence in english and french that I am surprised that you didn't get it. > original questioner wants to be prepared in his knowledge of the menu system > so that he could investigate possible solutions while Mandrake was > finalizing KDE3 menus. What if the problem actually turned out to be a bug Now what are you talking about? I think you both misunderstood the question (or maybe I still do), but we are well aware of how the menu script overwrites any pre-existing menus. This would go for crossover or any other app which uses kdelnk files. So, I am not sure why he said to wait until it's finished... I don't even think it is a KDE problem, but I don't have the original message in front of me. > > I do have a complaint, though, now that you've prompted me, Dave. People on > this list have become too sensitive to criticism of any kind. Read and > respond politely to the constructive criticism; ignore the rest. That would > eliminate a lot of the noise and aggravation. Let's get back to work. I think you are the only one being sensitive. I didn't complain about you complaing. I will complain (if you wish) about quoting a whole message just to say "And second?". It wasn't a joke -- you were serious. So, again, I'll say it for all non-native English speakers or people who don't get it. It's normal to answer questions with "First" even if there's no second. The second is implied as "stop asking", "just wait", or "that's silly" -- whichever you wish. Example: Question: "Cookers, it hurts when I bang my head on the wall." Answer: "First, stop doing it." The "First" here is usually used when the question is rather obvious, so for non-english speakers, I could see where the confusion is. The "First" here actually means that there isn't a second. I don't know why you're confused if you have spoken english all of your life, though. But even the French speakers and others "get" why you might use "First" to begin that sentence. So, all I meant to say was that it should have been as obvious to you as that there wasn't a second, as much as there wasn't a first. -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
- Original Message - From: Frédéric Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: liste.cooker To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3 > > And if you want to know how our menu structure (which is Debian menu > structure) works, everything is explained in > /usr/share/doc/menu-*/menu.txt > Thank you. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:24:53 +0100, Hoyt wrote : People, calm down.. I don't recall exactly why I used the "First, ..." form but probably, I was thinking about adding a second point and I was interrupted and when I resumed this particular mail, I forgot about the "first" thing.. And if I didn't respond earlier, it is because I'm in vacations (as a lot of MandrakeSoft employee) and I'm currently responding from home.. My point was : don't post bugs against KDE 3 packages now, they are not stable / with all mdksoft patches inside (ditto MdkSoft KDE packagers).. And I'm currently very busy working on GNOME 2 integration.. So, if you want to report a bug about menudrake, please, test with something other than KDE 3 (for now).. And if you want to know how our menu structure (which is Debian menu structure) works, everything is explained in /usr/share/doc/menu-*/menu.txt -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
- Original Message - From: David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3 > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Hoyt wrote: > > > > There is no 'second' the implied second is "First wait, before > > > complaining". > > > I try and cut struggling non-native English speakers some slack, but > > Frédéric seems to have a pretty good command of the language. I haven't read > > enough of yours to form an opinion. > > Are you saying that his use of the word "First" implies bad command of the > language? I am trying to explain to you that when someone says "First" > they don't mean there is a second. You say that this is a joke, but it's > such a common occurence in english and french that I am surprised that you > didn't get it. > I assume from your use of grammar and punctuation here that English is not your native language. That's fine with me. You won't catch me writing in French at all even though I might possibly mumble my way through a limited conversation and likely offend every native French speaker within earshot. 8) Frédéric's use of "first" was as you would use it in a list: First, ... Second, ... Third, .. . . . and so on. When one omits the comma (as you did -- see above), it changes the meaning to imply that the step that follow sw is so important, it stands on its own. For example, First you disconnect the electricy before attempting to assist the person being eletrocuted. (If you fail to follow that first step, there will be no other steps since you will be dead.) The former example is how Frédéric used it; the latter how you used it. Eliminating the comma changes the context and meaning regardless of your statements below. > > original questioner wants to be prepared in his knowledge of the menu system > > so that he could investigate possible solutions while Mandrake was > > finalizing KDE3 menus. What if the problem actually turned out to be a bug > > Now what are you talking about? I think you both misunderstood the > question (or maybe I still do), but we are well aware of how the menu > script overwrites any pre-existing menus. I'm not aware of how it works because I haven't had reason to examine that aspect. I don't think the original poster did either; that's why he was asking. Since I have stated that "I" did not know, your assumption that ". . . we are well aware . . ." is as false as it is condescending. Perhaps I am not included in "we". I'm not clear about that from your comments since I don't appear to have been included in "you" at some point, as follows: > > > > I do have a complaint, though, now that you've prompted me, Dave. People on > > this list have become too sensitive to criticism of any kind. Read and > > respond politely to the constructive criticism; ignore the rest. That would > > eliminate a lot of the noise and aggravation. Let's get back to work. > > I think you are the only one being sensitive. I didn't complain about you > complaing. I believe the sentance stood alone. Let's look at it since you cut it from your post: > The second is the complaining you are doing. > In the context, "you" implied me, personally, but now I realize that your grammar skills aren't adequate for me to assume _anything_ about what you write; "you" could have meant Mandrake, or the mail list readers or 'yo momma. That's an excellent example of the miscommunication that occurs here. > I will complain (if you wish) about quoting a whole message > just to say "And second?". It wasn't a joke -- you were serious. Didn't I trim the post? I believe I followed the conventions regarding context. If not, I apologize. But gosh, Dave, then why did Frédéric appear to "get it"? Maybe he didn't and simple reponded in a polite way. Who really knows? He engineered a quick end to the conversation between he and I and that's all that was necessary. If I offended him, that was not my intent and I apologize if he read my post that way. > So, > again, I'll say it for all non-native English speakers or people who don't > get it. > > It's normal to answer questions with "First" even if there's no second. > The second is implied as "stop asking", "just wait", or "that's silly" -- > whichever you wish. > > Example: > > Question: "Cookers, it hurts when I bang my head on the wall." > Answer: "First, stop doing it." > > Th
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
- Original Message - From: David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3 > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Hoyt wrote: > > > > MandrakeSoft > > > > > > > And second . . .? > > > > Hoyt > > There is no 'second' the implied second is "First wait, before > complaining". Dave, look at Frédéric's punctuation and rethink your own poorly phrased scolding. Because of language problems, this list has more than its share of difficulty with implied comments. We should all try to communicate clearly. If we are too informal and too careless, we risk mis-communicating. I try and cut struggling non-native English speakers some slack, but Frédéric seems to have a pretty good command of the language. I haven't read enough of yours to form an opinion. > The second is the complaining you are doing. > What? Me complain? It's not me complaining, Dave. Even Frédéric got the joke. 8) My understanding of this topic is that there is a problem in how Codeweavers Crossover deals with the Mandrake-ized KDE3 menuing system. While it might make sense to wait until Mandrake finalized the KDE3 menu usage, the original poster just wanted to know _how_ the Mandrake menus worked. (I also misunderstood the original question -- look at my reply.) Obviously, the original questioner wants to be prepared in his knowledge of the menu system so that he could investigate possible solutions while Mandrake was finalizing KDE3 menus. What if the problem actually turned out to be a bug in Mandrake/KDE3 menus that was not obvious unless you interacted in a certain way? Wouldn't it make more sense to fix that during the development phase that later? And the guy is _volunteering_ to help if only he could be pointed to some document to help him understand. I do have a complaint, though, now that you've prompted me, Dave. People on this list have become too sensitive to criticism of any kind. Read and respond politely to the constructive criticism; ignore the rest. That would eliminate a lot of the noise and aggravation. Let's get back to work. -- Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
Le Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:34:15 +0100, Hoyt a écrit : > - Original Message - > From: Frederic Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: > liste.cooker > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, > crossover and kde3 > > > >> First, wait for official supported KDE 3 (ie final version ) before >> complaining about menudrake and KDE 3 not seeing crossover > plugin,.. >> >> -- >> Frédéric Crozat >> MandrakeSoft >> >> > And second . . .? Wait again :))) -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
- Original Message - From: Frederic Crozat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: liste.cooker To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3 > > First, wait for official supported KDE 3 (ie final version ) > before complaining about menudrake and KDE 3 not seeing crossover plugin,.. > > -- > Frédéric Crozat > MandrakeSoft > And second . . .? Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
- Original Message - From: Salane King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3 > I have been half studying this problem for weeks now trying to figure out what > is up with the menus on Mandrake 8.2 and crossover. Perhaps it was something > i did. I'm certain the people at Codeweavers would like to hear from you. They are _very_ responsive to fixing bugs in their product. Go to the site and enter a trouble ticket. Hoyt
Re: [Cooker] menudrake, crossover and kde3
I have been half studying this problem for weeks now trying to figure out what is up with the menus on Mandrake 8.2 and crossover. Perhaps it was something i did. I finally decided to install from fresh and then it still took some playing with to figure out how to get it right. Menudrake didnt even seem to pull up the right config file. and where it saved it is still a mystery to me, although I am not the brightest light in the string of christmas lights. Could someone who knows give a mini how-to on mandrake menus and which one goes with which kde version and how it is supposed to be working when kde and kde3 in kdm still start kde3 when /etc/profile.d/kde3.sh exists. On Tuesday 26 March 2002 05:20 pm, Elliott Martin wrote: > The other day I went to install crossover and see what all that hub-bub > was about, got it installed and working no problem, but then went to run a > different program from the K-menu and all the menu entries were gone. > > It turns out that it adds the directory ~/.kde3/share/applnk/CrossOver/... > and then for some reason nothing gets read as the menu for kde3. After > running menudrake again and saving everything the directory > ~/.kde3/share/applnk-mdk/ has all the menu items that the global > applnk-mdk should have and still nothing gets displayed in the k-menu. > Only after I delete the contents of applnk-mdk, move the applnk/CrossOver > dir to applnk-mdk and then remove the applnk dir does the k-menu function > the way it "should". (all those references to applnk dirs are .kde3 applnk > dirs, not /opt/kde3...) > > I'm not sure if the problem is with kde3 rc3 not being able to handle 4 > different applnk dirs (/opt/kde3/share/applnk, /opt/kde3/share/applnk-mdk, > ~/.kde3/share/applnk, ~/.kde3/share/applnk-mdk), or with menudrake putting > all the menu items in ~/.kde3 although I'm sure it should be adding > some menu entries there for the per user customization what not from > menudrake. The problem could also be with crossover's install script, but > no one over on their mailing list has complained of this problem... > -Elliott Martin -- Are you mentally here at Pizza Hut??
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
Hi! > > And how are you supposed to edit menus then? > > It seems that Frederic Crozat has agreed to continue maintainance > of menudrake. But while he already have much to do, it's probable > that any "feature enhancement" won't be allocated enough time > resource. Well I think as menudrake is opensource (GPLed) and it is probably in CVS available from linux-mandrake.com, everyone could add his wishes, Frederic only needs to coordinate what features should be added (are useful) and people here can test as usually. With best regards, Reinhard Katzmann -- Software-Engineer, Developer for Embedded Devices Project: HyperPen Tablet USB Driver for Linux GnuPG Public Key available on request msg50712/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
Borsenkow Andrej <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Actually, he only spoke of menudrake, the application allowing to edit > > graphically the menu structure, not the whole menu system... Yep. > And how are you supposed to edit menus then? It seems that Frederic Crozat has agreed to continue maintainance of menudrake. But while he already have much to do, it's probable that any "feature enhancement" won't be allocated enough time resource. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
On Срд, 2002-01-09 at 22:34, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Borsenkow Andrej : > > On óÒÄ, 2002-01-09 at 21:31, SI Reasoning wrote: > > > That is a shame. I think unified menus is one of > > > Mandrake's greatest strengths > > > > Yes. It would really be very bad news for all Mandrake users. > Actually, he only spoke of menudrake, the application allowing to edit > graphically the menu structure, not the whole menu system... And how are you supposed to edit menus then?
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
Ainsi parlait Borsenkow Andrej : > On óÒÄ, 2002-01-09 at 21:31, SI Reasoning wrote: > > That is a shame. I think unified menus is one of > > Mandrake's greatest strengths > > Yes. It would really be very bad news for all Mandrake users. Actually, he only spoke of menudrake, the application allowing to edit graphically the menu structure, not the whole menu system... -- Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
On óÒÄ, 2002-01-09 at 21:31, SI Reasoning wrote: > That is a shame. I think unified menus is one of > Mandrake's greatest strengths Yes. It would really be very bad news for all Mandrake users. Sigh ... > --- Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Here are a few ideas that can make menudrake > > better: > > > > The problem is that menudrake designer, Vincent > > Saugey, doesn't > > work for Mandrake anymore, so its development will > > probably be > > discontinued. > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Cottenceau - > > http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ > > > > > = > SI Reasoning > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve >neither liberty nor safety." > Benjamin Franklin > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
That is a shame. I think unified menus is one of Mandrake's greatest strengths --- Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Here are a few ideas that can make menudrake > better: > > The problem is that menudrake designer, Vincent > Saugey, doesn't > work for Mandrake anymore, so its development will > probably be > discontinued. > > > -- > Guillaume Cottenceau - > http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/ > = SI Reasoning [EMAIL PROTECTED] "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: [Cooker] menudrake proposal
SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here are a few ideas that can make menudrake better: The problem is that menudrake designer, Vincent Saugey, doesn't work for Mandrake anymore, so its development will probably be discontinued. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake
On Monday 03 Dec 2001 10:00, Frederic Crozat wrote: > On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:23:56 +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > There used to be an option to disable Mandrake customisations. I > > can't find it now. > > It has been renamed to Action/Menu Style/Standard menu.. Oh, thanks Frédéric. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk-pnr-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 0 hours 9 minutes. --
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake
On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:23:56 +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote: > There used to be an option to disable Mandrake customisations. I can't > find it now. It has been renamed to Action/Menu Style/Standard menu.. -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] MenuDrake
On óÂÔ, 2001-12-01 at 21:23, Peter Ruskin wrote: > There used to be an option to disable Mandrake customisations. I can't > find it now. > Hmm ... menudrake -> actions -> menu style? (I am not sure if it is Actions in english, it is the second menu name, first is File). Related question is - if I do any user customisation, is the whole menu copied over or only changed item? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] menudrake not embedded when started out of DrakConf
Andrej Borsenkow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it looks like the only plugin left that is not embeddable. Just to > make the whole more consistent ... known :) , workin' on ..
RE: [Cooker] menudrake - broken l11n
Dans l'article <000301c09b03$a8e2d8e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andrej Borsenkow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >> >> >> ru_RU.KOI8-R >> >> > Running KDE 2.1Beta, menu-2.1.5-45mdk, menudrake-0.4-1mdk; russian >> > locale with KOI-R charset; locale set to ``ru'' >> >> > > ru_RU.KOI8-R does NOT exist in russian locale for glibc-2.2: > locales-ru-2.3.1-6mdk.noarch.rpm. I already reported it here, check > archives. > > Besides, can you explain why everything else works? Have you tried it > yourself? It was a bug in po file for russian which was not using correct charset.. It is now corrected in menudrake 0.4.1-1mdk (should be available on mirror right now). BTW, thanks for your report -- Frédéric Crozat MandrakeSoft
RE: [Cooker] menudrake - broken l11n
> > > ru_RU.KOI8-R > > > Running KDE 2.1Beta, menu-2.1.5-45mdk, menudrake-0.4-1mdk; russian locale > > with KOI-R charset; locale set to ``ru'' > > ru_RU.KOI8-R does NOT exist in russian locale for glibc-2.2: locales-ru-2.3.1-6mdk.noarch.rpm. I already reported it here, check archives. Besides, can you explain why everything else works? Have you tried it yourself? -andrej
Re: [Cooker] menudrake - broken l11n
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Andrej Borsenkow wrote: ru_RU.KOI8-R > Running KDE 2.1Beta, menu-2.1.5-45mdk, menudrake-0.4-1mdk; russian locale > with KOI-R charset; locale set to ``ru'' -- Technoid
Re: Re: [Cooker] Menudrake problems
Starting to sound like that BIG software business in Redmond or something. Anyway, menudrake should work as advertise. It's a usefull tool. At least, can someone direct me to documentation so I can edit the menus by hand with vi and respective folder location. Wish I had more knowledge on how to automate the thing. Humm, guess I'll look at the code and try to figure how it work, where it's broken and apply a patch or something. Don't hold your breath for a release. It's a hobby, not a full time job. Thanks - Merci - Danka - Gracia Paul Godin > Menus in KDE2 and Mandrake have always been a complete mess for me ever since > I started using KDE 2. If I play around a lot with menudrake the menus will > start to work, but only for the remainder of that session. > > Remove all KDE directories / files - same problems. > > Brand new account - same problem. > > KDE 2 on my Red Hat system at work is just fine. > > Mails to the KDE lists get replies along the lines of 'this isn't our problem > it's a Mandrake problem'. Mails to the Mandrake list just seem to get > ignored ! > > Enough people have commented on this for it not to just be another 'owen' > problem !!! ;-) > > Regards, > Owen > > On Wednesday 17 January 2001 8:28 am, you wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2001 04:14 schrieb Extreme Blue: > > > I've had the same problem and I had already tried this with no > > > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Prana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Hiya Paul, > > > > login as root user, type "/usr/bin/update-menus" > > > > > > > > Prana > > > > > > > > Paul Godin wrote: > > > > > Under KDE, using menudrake to modify, add, delete menu > > > > > > folders or > > > > > > > items will > > > > > > > > > not be reflected. > > > > > Under GNOME, modification applied are reflected as created, > > > > > > even when > > > > > > > > Menudrake was used in KDE. > > > > > How can I edit the KDE menu to reflect my requirements. Is > > > > > > there a > > > > > > > > correction for this in Cooker. > > > > > > > > > > Paul Godin > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > http://www.cyest.org > > > > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > > > > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 > > > > > > 3334 3FD3 > > > > > > > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup? > > > > > > op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > > > I did this successfully with several updates of KDE2.1cvs . > > To be sure I shut down KDE, open as root a console terminal. > > > > in any case you should use the command with the option '-v', i.e. > > 'update-menus -v'. you can whatch what's going on. > > > > W. Kasberg >
Re: Re: [Cooker] Menudrake problems
Menus in KDE2 and Mandrake have always been a complete mess for me ever since I started using KDE 2. If I play around a lot with menudrake the menus will start to work, but only for the remainder of that session. Remove all KDE directories / files - same problems. Brand new account - same problem. KDE 2 on my Red Hat system at work is just fine. Mails to the KDE lists get replies along the lines of 'this isn't our problem it's a Mandrake problem'. Mails to the Mandrake list just seem to get ignored ! Enough people have commented on this for it not to just be another 'owen' problem !!! ;-) Regards, Owen On Wednesday 17 January 2001 8:28 am, you wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2001 04:14 schrieb Extreme Blue: > > I've had the same problem and I had already tried this with no > > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Prana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Hiya Paul, > > > login as root user, type "/usr/bin/update-menus" > > > > > > Prana > > > > > > Paul Godin wrote: > > > > Under KDE, using menudrake to modify, add, delete menu > > > > folders or > > > > > items will > > > > > > > not be reflected. > > > > Under GNOME, modification applied are reflected as created, > > > > even when > > > > > > Menudrake was used in KDE. > > > > How can I edit the KDE menu to reflect my requirements. Is > > > > there a > > > > > > correction for this in Cooker. > > > > > > > > Paul Godin > > > > > > -- > > > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > http://www.cyest.org > > > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > > > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 > > > > 3334 3FD3 > > > > > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup? > > > > op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > I did this successfully with several updates of KDE2.1cvs . > To be sure I shut down KDE, open as root a console terminal. > > in any case you should use the command with the option '-v', i.e. > 'update-menus -v'. you can whatch what's going on. > > W. Kasberg
Re: Re: [Cooker] Menudrake problems
Am Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2001 04:14 schrieb Extreme Blue: > I've had the same problem and I had already tried this with no > luck. > > > > > > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Prana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hiya Paul, > > login as root user, type "/usr/bin/update-menus" > > > > Prana > > > > Paul Godin wrote: > > > Under KDE, using menudrake to modify, add, delete menu > > folders or > > > items will > > > > > not be reflected. > > > Under GNOME, modification applied are reflected as created, > > even when > > > > Menudrake was used in KDE. > > > How can I edit the KDE menu to reflect my requirements. Is > > there a > > > > correction for this in Cooker. > > > > > > Paul Godin > > > > -- > > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.cyest.org > > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 > > 3334 3FD3 > > > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup? > > op=get&search=0x33343FD3 I did this successfully with several updates of KDE2.1cvs . To be sure I shut down KDE, open as root a console terminal. in any case you should use the command with the option '-v', i.e. 'update-menus -v'. you can whatch what's going on. W. Kasberg -- +- ! Dr.-Ing. Walter Kasberg ! Lehrstuhl fuer Flugdynamik ! ! RWTH Aachen Templergraben 55D-52056 Aachen ! ! Tel. +49-241-80 6812 Fax +49-241-80 99529 ! ! e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-
Re: Re: [Cooker] Menudrake problems
I've had the same problem and I had already tried this with no luck. Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Prana ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hiya Paul, > login as root user, type "/usr/bin/update-menus" > > Prana > > Paul Godin wrote: > > > > Under KDE, using menudrake to modify, add, delete menu folders or > items will > > not be reflected. > > Under GNOME, modification applied are reflected as created, even when > > Menudrake was used in KDE. > > How can I edit the KDE menu to reflect my requirements. Is there a > > correction for this in Cooker. > > > > Paul Godin > > -- > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.cyest.org > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup? op=get&search=0x33343FD3 > > >
Re: [Cooker] Menudrake problems
Hiya Paul, login as root user, type "/usr/bin/update-menus" Prana Paul Godin wrote: > > Under KDE, using menudrake to modify, add, delete menu folders or items will > not be reflected. > Under GNOME, modification applied are reflected as created, even when > Menudrake was used in KDE. > How can I edit the KDE menu to reflect my requirements. Is there a > correction for this in Cooker. > > Paul Godin -- Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.cyest.org My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3
