Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
* Stardate: 2002-03-11 02:06 * Incoming subspace signal from huug [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Stardate: 2002-03-11 00:43 * Incoming subspace signal from Till Kamppeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] : You will see, has something to do with proprietary browser plug-ins. Till Hoyt wrote: On Sunday 10 March 2002 06:25 pm, you wrote: They should also go to www.mandrakeforum.com on Wednesday evening. Till Why then? -=-=- end quoted text -=-=- Could you give us the exact URL ? Can't seem to find it. Maybe it ain't Wednesday yet? -=-=- end quoted text -=-=- Thought you meant last Wednesday. -- Best regards, M@X. * Climate Control Psychedelic Soundscapes - http://go.to/cchq/ * Linux Shell Scripts RPM Software Packages - http://go.to/conmen/ 10:59am up 5 min, 1 user, load average: 1.37, 1.18, 0.57
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Lundi 11 Mars 2002 01:17, vous avez écrit : Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Folks if you like what Mandrake provides, and you have the means spend some money either on their CD sets or the club. They need to pay their bills etc, too. Just know: I agree this point of view and will buy 8.2 when is done. Thanks :-). Just to let you know: buying a powerpack through mandrakestore brings us much more money than retail, so if you can it's better to buy with mandrakestore. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. And what should others do? Just as before: either you pay us and we give you this proprietary software, or you try to download it by another mean. There is no difference with before (except a new way of obtaining them, e.g. being member of mandrake-club). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. This is really bad, it means you can only browse the internet comfortably if you *BUY* 8.2. Well, I'll just stick to 8.1 then, until it really runs out of date, and then what ? SuSe ? Are you crazy of what?? You're complaining that we don't put anymore this proprietary software on GPL CD's, when all should be happy that we manager to be more compliant with free software policies. Can't you just download netscape from any website or get it from older release? And if you think Suse is the right way to obtain proprietary software without buying packs, I think you're wrong. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
On 10 Mar 2002 22:18:11 +0100 Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if you think Suse is the right way to obtain proprietary software without buying packs, I think you're wrong. Hell! You can not you can not even get SuSE without buying it. Only an eval version. Charles
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Le Dimanche 10 Mars 2002 22:58, vous avez écrit : On 10 Mar 2002 22:18:11 +0100 Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if you think Suse is the right way to obtain proprietary software without buying packs, I think you're wrong. Hell! You can not you can not even get SuSE without buying it. Only an eval version. Charles About Suse: You download and do a network installation of a GPL like Suse (I found it on suse ftp) You can not found iso image of the full GPL distrib You can found an iso image for a Live use from CD only. Me too, I don't agree that some packages are move on proprietary part, but with Mandrake, you can always find a fully distrib, and my opinion is nsplugin is not most importante, for me the most important is Apache, Postgres, Php, Postfix and the Kernel ;-) -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. JL. / | Olivier Thauvin - CNRS Service Aeronomie | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 01 64 47 43 60 à Verrières (lundi,mercredi et vendredi) | 01 44 27 47 59 à Jussieu (Mardi et Jeudi) | Fax:33 (0)1 69 20 29 99 | Service d'Aéronomie, Réduit de Verrieres | Route des Gatines - BP 3 | 91371 Verrieres le Buisson Cedex | France \==
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
On Sunday 10 March 2002 04:18 pm, Guillaume wrote: This is really bad, it means you can only browse the internet comfortably if you *BUY* 8.2. Well, I'll just stick to 8.1 then, until it really runs out of date, and then what ? SuSe ? Are you crazy of what?? You're complaining that we don't put anymore this proprietary software on GPL CD's, when all should be happy that we manager to be more compliant with free software policies. I think this approach on Mandrake's part is pretty enlightened considering the anti-proprietary rhetoric I have seen from them before. Come on Maxim, it's proprietary, commercial software we're talking about-- how else are you going to get it _legally_ other than paying for it? You can not you can not even get SuSE without buying it. Only an eval version. Charles As far as SuSE goes, that's the distribution model they chose. I don't see them headed for world domination and they faced financial difficulties last year, so that particular model is no panacea. It will be interesting to see how Mandrake's model plays out. I wish them luck and congradulate them on finding a way to deal with commercial software. I think they should offer the Crossover Plugin and WineX on that CD as well. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com There are no dumb questions; only dumb bosses.
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
On Sunday 10 March 2002 06:25 pm, you wrote: They should also go to www.mandrakeforum.com on Wednesday evening. Till Why then? -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com There are no dumb questions; only dumb bosses.
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. And what should others do? Just as before: either you pay us and we give you this proprietary software, or you try to download it by another mean. There is no difference with before (except a new way of obtaining them, e.g. being member of mandrake-club). Folks if you like what Mandrake provides, and you have the means spend some money either on their CD sets or the club. They need to pay their bills etc, too. -randy
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
* Stardate: 2002-03-10 22:18 * Incoming subspace signal from Guillaume Cottenceau [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. This is really bad, it means you can only browse the internet comfortably if you *BUY* 8.2. Well, I'll just stick to 8.1 then, until it really runs out of date, and then what ? SuSe ? Are you crazy of what?? Yes, once in a while. You're complaining that we don't put anymore this proprietary software on GPL CD's, when all should be happy that we manage to be more compliant with free software policies. You're right. I didn't even think of that. Can't you just download netscape from any website or get it from older release? But there's something strange going on here. Mandrake tries to make using Linux as foolproof as possible with all those fancy GUI drak-tools. Imagine the first time user who downloads the iso's, installs them, sees all the nice configuration tools, only to discover that he has to install some add-ons manually if he wants to do something as essential as browse the internet in a way everybody does (with ease). New users will (maybe) be put off by this, maybe they don't even know how to handle a flash-tarball (everything is rpm on Mdk, so why do they have to know anything about installing tarballs). My feeling is that it just doesn't add up. And if you think Suse is the right way to obtain proprietary software without buying packs, I think you're wrong. Well, SuSe was a mere example. Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/ -- Best regards, M@X. * Climate Control Psychedelic Soundscapes - http://go.to/cchq/ * Linux Shell Scripts RPM Software Packages - http://go.to/conmen/ 1:32am up 52 min, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.05
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Le Lundi 11 Mars 2002 01:17, vous avez écrit : Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: Folks if you like what Mandrake provides, and you have the means spend some money either on their CD sets or the club. They need to pay their bills etc, too. Just know: I agree this point of view and will buy 8.2 when is done. -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. JL. / | Olivier Thauvin - CNRS Service Aeronomie | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 01 64 47 43 60 à Verrières (lundi,mercredi et vendredi) | 01 44 27 47 59 à Jussieu (Mardi et Jeudi) | Fax:33 (0)1 69 20 29 99 | Service d'Aéronomie, Réduit de Verrieres | Route des Gatines - BP 3 | 91371 Verrieres le Buisson Cedex | France \==
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
* Stardate: 2002-03-11 00:43 * Incoming subspace signal from Till Kamppeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] : You will see, has something to do with proprietary browser plug-ins. Till Hoyt wrote: On Sunday 10 March 2002 06:25 pm, you wrote: They should also go to www.mandrakeforum.com on Wednesday evening. Till Why then? -=-=- end quoted text -=-=- Could you give us the exact URL ? Can't seem to find it. -- Best regards, M@X. * Climate Control Psychedelic Soundscapes - http://go.to/cchq/ * Linux Shell Scripts RPM Software Packages - http://go.to/conmen/ 1:30am up 50 min, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.06
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Le lun 11/03/2002 à 01:35, Maxim Heijndijk a écrit : But there's something strange going on here. Mandrake tries to make using Linux as foolproof as possible with all those fancy GUI drak-tools. Imagine the first time user who downloads the iso's, installs them, sees all the nice configuration tools, only to discover that he has to install some add-ons manually if he wants to do something as essential as browse the internet in a way everybody does (with ease). except for IE ( and I don't know for IE 6 ) you have these plugins that you can selecte during install. But when you take mozilla/NS ( you have to go to take them ) you have also to install theses plugins. we are talking about proprietary soft. If you want them, buy a mdk box or join Mandrake Club Everything has a price. mdksoft is not going to make a desktop distro by denying all OpenSource philosophy New users will (maybe) be put off by this, maybe they don't even know how to handle a flash-tarball (everything is rpm on Mdk, so why do they have to know anything about installing tarballs). My feeling is that it just doesn't add up. And they will learn something more ! good -- http://linux-wizard.tuxfamily.org/index.html - Un ministre compromis dans un scandale reparait sur la scene politique: il est blanchi Il ne reparait pas: il est nettoye -- Rene Doun
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 10:14:23AM +0300, Borsenkow Andrej wrote: As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. And what should others do? Get the respective pieces of software for their respective commercial providers? -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? - Ghandi
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
* Stardate: 2002-03-09 10:14 * Incoming subspace signal from Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] : ? ???, 09.03.2002, ? 02:28, Guillaume Cottenceau ???: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let Netscape-plugins RPM. It contain flash player (for Mozilla,...). It was in Mandrake8.1. As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. This is really bad, it means you can only browse the internet comfortably if you *BUY* 8.2. Well, I'll just stick to 8.1 then, until it really runs out of date, and then what ? SuSe ? -- Best regards, M@X. * Climate Control Psychedelic Soundscapes - http://go.to/cchq/ * Linux Shell Scripts RPM Software Packages - http://go.to/conmen/ 12:00pm up 9 min, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.11, 0.10
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Maxim Heijndijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Stardate: 2002-03-09 10:14 * Incoming subspace signal from Borsenkow Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] : ? ???, 09.03.2002, ? 02:28, Guillaume Cottenceau ???: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let Netscape-plugins RPM. It contain flash player (for Mozilla,...). It was in Mandrake8.1. As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. This is really bad, it means you can only browse the internet comfortably if you *BUY* 8.2. Well, I'll just stick to 8.1 then, until it really runs out of date, and then what ? SuSe ? We actually _pay_ to redistribute them. -- Warly
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
It's proprietary software, and shouldn't be in the main distro. It will probably be on the commercial CDs, and available for download in RPM form from the Mandrake Club. Otherwise: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/flash/english/linux/5.0r47/flash_linux.tar.gz The same applies (and has for a while) to the jre (for Java support) etc. Buchan [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let Netscape-plugins RPM. It contain flash player (for Mozilla,...). It was in Mandrake8.1.
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let Netscape-plugins RPM. It contain flash player (for Mozilla,...). It was in Mandrake8.1. As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://www.frozen-bubble.org/
Re: [Cooker] netscape-plugins
÷ óÂÔ, 09.03.2002, × 02:28, Guillaume Cottenceau ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ: Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let Netscape-plugins RPM. It contain flash player (for Mozilla,...). It was in Mandrake8.1. As for 8.2, you will have Flash and Java plugins, ready-to-go for Mozilla Galeon Konqueror, either available in Commercial Applications CD of PowerPack, or downloadable if you're a Club member. And what should others do?
Re: [Cooker] netscape plugins for konqueror
I have the same problem with konqueror, just a single check box saying enable netscape plugins in Kcontrol. If we need to install 'plugger', where do I get this, what is it, and why wasn't it installed with the beta?? Ravenhall _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [Cooker] netscape plugins for konqueror
Guillaume Rousse crivit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I may be dumb, but i can't install a flash plugin for konqueror on a fresh cooker install. Documentation make reference to a 'netscape plugin' tab in KDE control center, that doesn't exists. All i found is an 'external module' tab under 'konqueror browser' entry, with only one check box. Just installing the needed files in $HOME/.kde/apps/share/nsplugins doesn't work, and i couldn't find the system-wide corresponding directory . $KDE_DIR is not defined either... If it's not already done, please install kdebase-nsplugins (and of course, netscape-plugin). It should solve your problem. Flash works fine here in Konqueror. -- MandrakeSofthttp://www.mandrakesoft.com PARIS, FRANCE --David
Re: [Cooker] netscape plugins for konqueror
Guillaume Rousse wrote: I may be dumb, but i can't install a flash plugin for konqueror on a fresh cooker install. ... you ned to install Plugger. It will give you the ability to play flash in Netscape, and konqueror will pick up on that. Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist. Murphy O'Toole: my most favorite ancient Irish philosophers! G Elton Woo ;-) -- Have you been counted? See http://counter.li.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ICQ#9984432 - Montreal, Quebec, CANADA. Registered Linux User #193975. AMD-K2 CPU on board. "You only live once, so let's make life easier for each other." S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [Cooker] netscape plugins for konqueror
Dans l'article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Guillaume Rousse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I may be dumb, but i can't install a flash plugin for konqueror on a fresh cooker install. Documentation make reference to a 'netscape plugin' tab in KDE control center, that doesn't exists. All i found is an 'external module' tab under 'konqueror browser' entry, with only one check box. Just installing the needed files in $HOME/.kde/apps/share/nsplugins doesn't work, and i couldn't find the system-wide corresponding directory . $KDE_DIR is not defined either... It is in netscape-plugins rpm (at least 4.77-7mdk) -- Frdric Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] netscape plugins for konqueror
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:36, you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I may be dumb, but i can't install a flash plugin for konqueror on a fresh cooker install. Documentation make reference to a 'netscape plugin' tab in KDE control center, that doesn't exists. All i found is an 'external module' tab under 'konqueror browser' entry, with only one check box. Just installing the needed files in $HOME/.kde/apps/share/nsplugins doesn't work, and i couldn't find the system-wide corresponding directory . $KDE_DIR is not defined either... - -- Guillaume Rousse The 4.0 r12 release of the flash plugin for some reason works better than the newer version 5 release from macromedia! It seems to hang the browsers. It looks like the Mandrake folks know that as they have included the 4r12 release. Con.
