Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Philippe legay wrote: Alex Thurgood wrote: 1) when you create the accounts initially, the keyboard is mapped with US style mappings (I think, but would anyone care to confirm), but when you reboot, the mappings are changed to the locale you have selected - in my case French, and now I can't for the life of me get into the root account (well I will be able to eventually, once I've found out where the keys I typed initially have been moved to) - aarrgh, frustration city !! I have the same problem (but I have thinked at this problem before, so my password is querty and azerty compatible). As, I have the same problem, I am tring to solve it, I can explain How to do it, but as I have no HTTP site, wher can I put this information ? And is the list interessted in this kind of problem ? Post it to the list, and then it goes to the archives where people can find it. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Stew Benedict wrote: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le ven 11/07/2003 à 17:28, Stew Benedict a écrit : Yes, BootX does all it's work from the MacOS side. kernels and initrd's for the installed system are provided. Did you delete your MacOS partition or something? Ah that would explain a lot. The obvious answer is that I did of course when I resized the partitions with the Drake utility (doh !!). Does this mean that I always have to boot into MacOS9 first before booting Linux ? Yes, exactly. If you install BootX into the system folder, you can set the default to either roll into MacOS or Linux, but you'll always be a bit of the way into MacOS before that happens. Just to avoid mistake, what kind of Mac OS partition HFS or HFS + PHL
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Philippe legay wrote: Stew Benedict wrote: Yes, exactly. If you install BootX into the system folder, you can set the default to either roll into MacOS or Linux, but you'll always be a bit of the way into MacOS before that happens. Just to avoid mistake, what kind of Mac OS partition HFS or HFS + For MacOS? Doesn't matter much unless you want to access it from Linux. If you do, then hfs has better support than hfs+. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 19:11, Stew Benedict a écrit : Yes, exactly. If you install BootX into the system folder, you can set the default to either roll into MacOS or Linux, but you'll always be a bit of the way into MacOS before that happens. Ok, finally got it to install, but I now have two problems : 1) when you create the accounts initially, the keyboard is mapped with US style mappings (I think, but would anyone care to confirm), but when you reboot, the mappings are changed to the locale you have selected - in my case French, and now I can't for the life of me get into the root account (well I will be able to eventually, once I've found out where the keys I typed initially have been moved to) - aarrgh, frustration city !! 2) THe video config parameters didn't work, so init 5 doesn't get started. Of course, you need to be root to use XConfigurator or Drakconf. BTW, what's the difference between pmac and the supplied ATI driver module ? It appears that it didn't want to play with my ATI settings. TIA, Alex -- Alex Thurgood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: Ok, finally got it to install, but I now have two problems : 1) when you create the accounts initially, the keyboard is mapped with US style mappings (I think, but would anyone care to confirm), but when you reboot, the mappings are changed to the locale you have selected - in my case French, and now I can't for the life of me get into the root account (well I will be able to eventually, once I've found out where the keys I typed initially have been moved to) - aarrgh, frustration city !! Sorry about that. Boot into single user mode and reset the root password. (append single to your kernel arguments in BootX.) 2) THe video config parameters didn't work, so init 5 doesn't get started. Of course, you need to be root to use XConfigurator or Drakconf. BTW, what's the difference between pmac and the supplied ATI driver module ? It appears that it didn't want to play with my ATI settings. Quite a bit of difference. I would not recommend XFree86-pmac unless you're really desparate, especially with a non-US keyboard. I'd use fbdev driver in XFree4 if the ati driver doesn't work. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Hi all, I'm trying to install PPC 8.2 from the Mandrake CDs on a beige G3. I've got 1.5 Gig free space on the disk drive, and 256 Mb ram. Although I've read the readme.html file in the doc folder on the CD, nothing I've tried so far has got the machine to boot from the CD. I've tried simply pressing and holding C after turning on the switch. I've tried Command-C, Alt-C, Command-Alt-C, Command-Ctrl-Alt-C : all to no avail, the hard disk just kicks in and boots OS9.2. I tried Command-O-F and that gives me an error message on my monitor screen saying SIGNAL OUT OF BOUNDS. I even tried installing the Mandrake Linux Install.sit file, from CD, or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error message The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened because an error of type -39 has occurred. I all out of ideas ? Any advice ? Alex -- Alex Thurgood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
I've tried simply pressing and holding C after turning on the switch. I've tried Command-C, Alt-C, Command-Alt-C, Command-Ctrl-Alt-C : all to no avail, the hard disk just kicks in and boots OS9.2. I tried Command-O-F and that gives me an error message on my monitor screen saying SIGNAL OUT OF BOUNDS. I even tried installing the Mandrake Linux Install.sit file, from CD, or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error message The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened because an error of type -39 has occurred. The beige G3 is an Old World machine, which basically means it has a big ROM chip containing half of Mac OS, and some older version of the boot code that doesn't support booting non-Mac-OS directly. You have to use BootX to start Linux out of Mac OS. BootX is contained in the Mandrake Linux Install.sit archive. Due to a misconfiguration of the Linux program that created the CD, this file is marked as being an application, although it isn't - that's why you get the error message when you doubleclick it. Just drop it on StuffIt Expander to expand it. The AppleScript applet that should automate the BootX setup has some flaws too. Try it, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work - I recommend you configuring BootX by hand. I don't know the necessary options offhand, but if you have problems just ask and I'll look it up. -Christian
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to install PPC 8.2 from the Mandrake CDs on a beige G3. I've got 1.5 Gig free space on the disk drive, and 256 Mb ram. Although I've read the readme.html file in the doc folder on the CD, nothing I've tried so far has got the machine to boot from the CD. I've tried simply pressing and holding C after turning on the switch. I've tried Command-C, Alt-C, Command-Alt-C, Command-Ctrl-Alt-C : all to no avail, the hard disk just kicks in and boots OS9.2. I tried Command-O-F and that gives me an error message on my monitor screen saying SIGNAL OUT OF BOUNDS. I even tried installing the Mandrake Linux Install.sit file, from CD, or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error message The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened because an error of type -39 has occurred. I all out of ideas ? Any advice ? Alex BootX - I don't believe that machine can boot the CD. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:01, Christian Walther a écrit : I even tried installing the Mandrake Linux Install.sit file, from CD, or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error message The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened because an error of type -39 has occurred. The beige G3 is an Old World machine, which basically means it has a big ROM chip containing half of Mac OS, and some older version of the boot code that doesn't support booting non-Mac-OS directly. You have to use BootX to start Linux out of Mac OS. BootX is contained in the Mandrake Linux Install.sit archive. Due to a misconfiguration of the Linux program that created the CD, this file is marked as being an application, although it isn't - that's why you get the error message when you doubleclick it. Just drop it on StuffIt Expander to expand it. The AppleScript applet that should automate the BootX setup has some flaws too. Try it, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work - I recommend you configuring BootX by hand. I don't know the necessary options offhand, but if you have problems just ask and I'll look it up. Christian, Thanks for the advice, as I'm not a Mac expert, I wouldn't have known about the Stuffit problem. I'd already read the tutorial on the Mandrake site and guessed that I had an old world non CD-bootable system, but then that's where I got stuck with the sit file. Here I go... Alex
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:01, Christian Walther a écrit : The AppleScript applet that should automate the BootX setup has some flaws too. Try it, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work - I recommend you configuring BootX by hand. I don't know the necessary options offhand, but if you have problems just ask and I'll look it up. You were right about the install scripts, they didn't work. I started BootX and chose all.gz as the ramdisk, and set the value to 34000. The installation starts, asks for the install media, chose CDROM. THen the program starts to load from memory (as with the other MDK installs on other platforms), but when the graphical interface comes up for the install, the screen is corrupted : monochrome, huge text, buttons displaced, impossible to select anything. Is there a way around this other than via a text install ? Alex. -- Alex Thurgood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:35, Alex Thurgood a écrit : You were right about the install scripts, they didn't work. I started BootX and chose all.gz as the ramdisk, and set the value to 34000. The installation starts, asks for the install media, chose CDROM. THen the program starts to load from memory (as with the other MDK installs on other platforms), but when the graphical interface comes up for the install, the screen is corrupted : monochrome, huge text, buttons displaced, impossible to select anything. Is there a way around this other than via a text install ? I'll reply to myself because I found out how, by ticking the don't use video driver box in BootX. I chose the Recommende option and well, the install went rather smoothly, but at the end, the installer told me that I couldn't use yaboot and that I'd have to use BootX instead. This is all very well, but where is BootX installed ? On my MacHFS partition or somewhere else ? When I try and start the Mac now, it just stops at the little smiling monitor. I don't get a choice of boot. I think my system's hosed. Advice, admonishments, etc, gratefully taken... Alex. -- Alex Thurgood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:35, Alex Thurgood a écrit : You were right about the install scripts, they didn't work. I started BootX and chose all.gz as the ramdisk, and set the value to 34000. The installation starts, asks for the install media, chose CDROM. THen the program starts to load from memory (as with the other MDK installs on other platforms), but when the graphical interface comes up for the install, the screen is corrupted : monochrome, huge text, buttons displaced, impossible to select anything. Is there a way around this other than via a text install ? I'll reply to myself because I found out how, by ticking the don't use video driver box in BootX. I chose the Recommende option and well, the install went rather smoothly, but at the end, the installer told me that I couldn't use yaboot and that I'd have to use BootX instead. This is all very well, but where is BootX installed ? On my MacHFS partition or somewhere else ? When I try and start the Mac now, it just stops at the little smiling monitor. I don't get a choice of boot. I think my system's hosed. Advice, admonishments, etc, gratefully taken... Yes, BootX does all it's work from the MacOS side. kernels and initrd's for the installed system are provided. Did you delete your MacOS partition or something? -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 17:28, Stew Benedict a écrit : Yes, BootX does all it's work from the MacOS side. kernels and initrd's for the installed system are provided. Did you delete your MacOS partition or something? Ah that would explain a lot. The obvious answer is that I did of course when I resized the partitions with the Drake utility (doh !!). Does this mean that I always have to boot into MacOS9 first before booting Linux ? I'm sorry if I appear a bit dim but I really haven't quite got the hang of this yet. I consequently reinstalled MacOS9 onto its own little partition and left the rest free with the Mac disk utility tool and am going to try again. Alex. -- Alex Thurgood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le ven 11/07/2003 à 17:28, Stew Benedict a écrit : Yes, BootX does all it's work from the MacOS side. kernels and initrd's for the installed system are provided. Did you delete your MacOS partition or something? Ah that would explain a lot. The obvious answer is that I did of course when I resized the partitions with the Drake utility (doh !!). Does this mean that I always have to boot into MacOS9 first before booting Linux ? Yes, exactly. If you install BootX into the system folder, you can set the default to either roll into MacOS or Linux, but you'll always be a bit of the way into MacOS before that happens. -- Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft
