Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Marriage Customs

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thanks for your insight and history lesson Elwyn; that must have been quite 
some  course of study you attended. Wonderful stuff,

Len Swindley

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Thank you Elwyn.  Absolutely fascinating.
Dorothy 

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> On 22/06/2020, at 5:56 AM, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Marion,
> 
> 
> 
> I suspect that a full answer to your interesting question could fill a
> hundred pages.
> 
> 
> 
> One source you might want to investigate is: “The Population of Ireland
> 1750 – 1845” by KH Connell, published in Oxford 1950. One of the many
> causes of the problems that plagued Ireland in the 1800s was the fact that
> there had been a massive population explosion. It went up from 3 million in
> 1741 to 8 million in 1841. (It’s only 6 million today).  No-one is entirely
> certain why. A reduction in neo-natal death rates was a factor. Connell
> also speculates that they started to marry younger and that consequently
> the reproductive rate ( R ) increased significantly. And as we all know
> these days, if the R number rises significantly you can see an exponential
> increase in whatever you are studying. In this case, children.
> 
> 
> 
> The book therefore spends quite a bit of time discussing the customs
> surrounding marriage, and also different customs between Catholics and
> Protestants.  There’s some interesting but grim stuff about arranged
> marriages in the West of Ireland, with girls being dragged to the altar by
> their fathers, bathed in tears, to marry men they hadn’t a notion for. “The
> Chief time for marriages is from Christmas until Lent, being the season of
> the year when people have the most leisure for settling such business.”
> (page 55).
> 
> 
> 
> But not all marriages were arranged. Couples mostly seemed to select each
> other in the ways we would recognise today. Another factor was that
> marriage was the only thing they could look to, to break the miserableness
> of their existence. “Perhaps the strongest motives urging young people
> towards early marriages were the wretchedness of their living conditions
> and their realization that no ordinary amount of self-denial or industry
> gave promise of better times. Contemporaries frequently regarded early
> marriage as one of the evils of poor living conditions.” (p57).
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, as I say, that study contains quite a bit on marriage customs.
> 
> 
> 
> Some couples eloped (if they had the means). For years the main ferry
> between Scotland and the Belfast area was between Portpatrick in
> Wigtownshire and Donaghadee in Co. Down.  So couples eloped to Portpatrick
> to get married. Scottish law then (and now) allows a couple to marry at 16,
> and without parental consent.  (In England and Ireland parental consent was
> required till you were 21). Some folk may have heard of people running off
> to Gretna Green to get married. Gretna Green is on the border between
> England & Scotland and so was handy if you were English and in a hurry to
> get married, but Portpatrick was the equivalent if coming from Ireland.
> Here’s a link to marriages in Portpatrick involving couples from Ireland,
> going back to 1721. Most of these are presumably elopements. I can’t think
> of any other reason for marrying there:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.ulsterancestry.com/free/ShowFreePage-39.html#gsc.tab=0
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Ulster-Scots are an interesting group.  I did a course at Queens
> University, Belfast a year or two back on migration into Ireland. The
> lecturer drew a contrast between various invaders such as the Vikings and
> the Ulster – Scots.  In spite of being present for 300 years or so, the
> Vikings left very little impact on Ireland. There’s a few place names such
> as Strangford (strong fjord) and the odd surname which may point to Norse
> origins, but by and large there’s not much sign of them. Part of the reason
> was that they only settled around the coast, and not in sufficient numbers
> to dominate the population. But another factor was that they didn’t bring
> any women with them.  If they needed women then the answer was usually a
> bit of rape and pillage amongst the locals. However the significance of
> this was that if they settled and remained in Ireland, as some undoubtedly
> did, then they quickly integrated into the local community and their Norse
> identity was soon lost. In contrast, the Scots came with equal numbers of
> men and women.  They tended to marry each other and kept their separate
> identity.  They often looked down on the native Irish and on Catholicism
> which was the denomination that most had fought to get rid of in Scotland
> in the 1500s, so that limited the tendency for inter-marriage, though for
> all that there were plenty of mixed marriages. But overall the Ulster –
> Scots, a high per

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Morrison Family Notes, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1830-70

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Pleased to help Rick and all good wishes with your research

Len

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Thank you Len!!!

  Rick SmollPH: (512) 619-3860

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Morrison Family Notes, Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland 1830-70


Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Senior and Junior

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Good to hear from you Bobby.

There is a JOHN MARSON recorded in the c1630 muster roll Co Londonderry on Sir 
Robert Macclelan’s estate  [Haberdashers’ Company] Ballykelly, Tamlaght 
Finlagan parish; would he be of the original Plantation family of Morrisons? 
Another possible example of phonetic spelling?

All the best,
Len



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A tip for those researching their family history:

Senior and Junior usually denotes father and son but not always -- sometimes 
junior can refer to a nephew:

An example of this I found recently in the Registry of Deeds

Book 350 page 435 memorial number 237290 registered 11 July 1783
A memorial of a deed poll dated 13 Jan 1783 between Robert Morrison senior of 
Drummore (Ballykelly, Co L'Derry) and Robert Morrison of Drummore junior his 
nephew.

Family tradition says that the Robert Morrison one of the 13 to shut the gates 
at the famous siege of Derry was from this family (oral tradition).

The Registry of Deeds is perhaps the only archive in Ireland to escape 
unscathed over the years and the records are intact from 1708. A must for 
eighteenth century research.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Your-family-tree-series-information-leaflet-17-Registry-of-Deeds-Dublin.pdf

Kindest regards
Bobby Forrest

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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello All,

May I request that when responding to posts you hit REPLY ALL which will send 
messages to both the List and subscribers; this is a premier Community website 
and we are all interested in hearing of the thoughts and experiences of fellow 
researchers.
Thanks and wishing everyone success.

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Clonfeacle Parish, Cos. Tyrone & Armagh, Northern Ireland: in 1837 Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Good to hear from you Dorothy and many thanks for your message; feedback is 
always appreciated and encouraging.

Len

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Clonfeacle Parish, Cos. Tyrone & Armagh, Northern Ireland: in 1837 Lewis' 
Topographical Dictionary of Ireland

Thank you Len for all your work, but - for me - especially for this one.
Dorothy Gaunt

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> Clonfeacle Parish, Cos. Tyrone & Armagh, Northern Ireland: in 1837Lewis'
> Topographical Dictionary of Ireland
> 
>
> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
>
> Jim McKane
> Kitchener, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Wow! Many thanks to Elwyn for his insights and great history lesson responding 
to the query relating to Morrisons in Kilskeery parish within the context of 
the Plantation and the possibility of locating families at  that time. 
Wonderful to read the lengthy references and extracts from a number of 
publications; this must have taken quite some time and consideration. Many 
thanks, Elwyn,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Rick,



Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo” meaning “cow land.” According
to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”, a ballyboe was “A small
Irish land division which, before the plantation, represented the territory
within which several families worked the land. Although the real area of
the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of the land, it was assumed by
the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres of profitable land in most
areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands have evolved from these
ballyboes.”



Not all land in Ireland was requisitioned by the Crown at the time of the
Plantation. At least a third remained in the hands of local Irish
landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal to the Crown.  An
obvious example would be the Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of
land were declared forfeit following the 1641 uprising and
reallocated.  Details
in the Down survey:



http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php



Robinson spends some time discussing the origins of settler names in
Tyrone, and to what extent Scottish undertakers had Scots tenants, and
English undertakers had English tenants. The implication being that they
originated in their landlords respective estates. However there was
evidently a lot of mixing. For example on p122 he says:



The evidence of Scots settling outside their allocated baronies of Strabane
and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statement of Lord Audley’s in 1614 when
he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone in Omagh barony had as many
Scots as English in it.



Although there is considerable degree of continuity between 1630 and 1666
in the distributional pattern of British settlement, and indeed in the
persistence of English and Scottish localities, the actual surnames on most
estates did change dramatically. This turnover of personnel cannot be
attributed simply to the ravages of the 1641 rebellion, for comparable
changes can be observed between 1622 and 1630. A high degree of tenant
mobility is a striking characteristic of plantation settlement, despite the
continuity of settlement patterns.”



He goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In 1622 the percentage of Scots on
any Tyrone estate was closely related to whether or not the estate was
Scottish owned, and only marginally related to the physical distance from
Londonderry as the natural entry point for Scottish settlers. However by
1630 the gap between the statistical significance of these two factors had
narrowed, and by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderry which was most
significant. This supports the model of colonization outlined above,
whereby the process of direct plantation, with subsequent internal
migration operated simultaneously with that of colonial spread. Furthermore
the contention that colonial spread became relatively more important than
direct plantation with time is also supported.”



(This continues for pages but you will hopefully get the general drift.  Many
settlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via Londonderry and
moved across Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. After 40 years
colonial spread meant that a significant percentage were no longer in the
place where they first settled).



Loughterush is in the barony of Omagh East. For me, the absence of
Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the Muster Rolls (ie c 1630) strongly
suggests your ancestors must have there arrived after that.  There’s only 1
Morison in Tyrone in the Muster Rolls, a Robert Morsion in Strabane barony.
Perhaps your family were connected to him and moved south to Loughterush.
So colonial spread?



Your question is whether Audley brought the Morisons over? I doubt he
brought them over himself because he appears to have acquired those lands
from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who was the original Undertaker. The
family were from Petersfield in Hampshire.  Morison is not a name
particularly common in that part of England so that would make me doubt
they were Castlehaven tenants in England. But I might be wrong.







Elwyn

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, James McKane  wrote:

> A search of

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 645, Issue 1

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

My pleasure entirely Peggy and am delighted you have found an interesting 
record. Many thanks for your message. Sorry that it took so long to put the 
files together and can only blame a lack of time and the large amount of data 
available. Perhaps other researchers have also had a little luck with these 
records? I hope so. Kind regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber of files for 
uploading on https://www.cotyroneireland.com/


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Thank you Len Swindley for these new records. I found one of my family lines!I 
greatly appreciate the time you give for all of us. Peggy
Thank you, Peggy  

   
  
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] how to identify PLACE NAMES

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

I have looked at the original certificate Gordon and it clearly states the 
townland to be Killynealhowever the name has evolved over the 
centuries. First recorded as Killaneale in 1633, it had become Killyneal by 
c1834 (as recorded in the Drumglass tithe applotment book of 1832) 
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=9802
where Joseph Lucus is recorded at that time. Se my index to Drumglass TAB 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/drumglass.html

All the best,
Len


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A good description, Annie, of how fraught the names of places can be. My
great-great-grandmother came from a townland near Dungannon, named
Killyneal on her marriage record, but it doesn't exist! Instead
Killymeal and Killyneill both exist and are both near Gortshalgan where
she and her husband lived. So which is the right one? Anyone's guess, as
both are valid candidates.

On 29/05/2020 3:30 am, Annie Crenshaw via CoTyroneList wrote:
> I answered Don by direct email yesterday and today, and I'll post my
> suggestions here, as well. I totally agree with Jim, Len and Gordon.
> "Templemore" is the most likely candidate to  have been
> misinterpreted/miswritten as "Dunplemore."
>
> When you're looking at an 18th-19th century handwritten document, a
> capital "D" often looks like a capital "L" or "T," and even an "S."
> Try it yourself by writing Lane, Sane, Dane and Tane, and comparing
> the words. Type those words onto a computer document page, and put
> them into several different cursive scripts (fonts) and see how much
> alike the first letters are.

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] "Full Age"

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Gordon,

The term “full age” indicated 21 years and over; in the thousands of marriages 
I have transcribed “full age” and “of age” reflect this – if a party to a 
marriage was under 21, they are referred to as minors or number of years is 
specifically stated.

All the best,
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A simple query. In 1850, did the term 'full age' for marriage mean, 18 
or more, or 21+? I've always assumed one to be 18 to be legally wed 
without parental permission, but maybe 'full age' meant the 'age of 
majority'?

Gordon

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dunplemore, Londonderry

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

The location being sought may well be Templemore parish, Co. Londonderry; this 
parish covers the City and Port of Londonderry and point of departure for many 
thousands of emigrants.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Jim, that's what I thought, - a misprint. I have ancestors who lived in
Templemore, (one a bookkeeper in Derry City), in the 1800s. Gordon

On 28/05/2020 9:49 am, James McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
> Could it be Templemore???
>
> Jim McKane
> Kitchener, Ontario
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM Don 1 via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello I have been searching for a village or town called Dunplemore about
>> in 1808.maybe in county Londonderry Is this one of the villages that
>> disappeared in time, because I can’t find it on maps.
>>


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Jim, that's what I thought, - a misprint. I have ancestors who lived in
Templemore, (one a bookkeeper in Derry City), in the 1800s. Gordon

On 28/05/2020 9:49 am, James McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
> Could it be Templemore???
>
> Jim McKane
> Kitchener, Ontario
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM Don 1 via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello I have been searching for a village or town called Dunplemore about
>> in 1808.maybe in county Londonderry Is this one of the villages that
>> disappeared in time, because I can’t find it on maps.
>>


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Lookingfor Florrie McIntyre, Artigarvan 1930

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Jon,

You may be interested in a little of the family background of Florrie. She was 
born March 5 1912 at Artigarvan to JOHN MCINTYRE and MATILDA MCMICHAEL and 
registered as MATILDA, but was subsequently given the additional name of 
FLORENCE at her baptism April 28, 1912 (as noted on her birth certificate) 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Her family are recorded in the 1911 census in the DED of Ballymagorry: JOHN 
(head) aged 35, born Co. Westmeath, general servant, Church of England; MATILDA 
his wife, aged 31, born Co. Tyrone; JANE aged 4, born Co Antrim and ANNIE, aged 
2, also born Co. Antrim http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Clearly a family 
on the move.
A further child , GEORGINA was born 1915 at Artigarvan

Looking further, it was possible to locate John and Matilda’s marriage at St 
Anne’s Church, Belfast and the connection to Artigarvan became evident; MATILDA 
stated her residence as Gortaleck, Dunmanagh [Donemana] and her father as 
SAMUEL MCMICHAEL, a farmer. Gortileck is a townland 3-4 kms from Artigarvan on 
the road towards Donemana.

Re. the photo – Herbert Cooper of Strabane was a prolific photographer of 
people and events in ounties Tyrone and Donegal whose collection of in excess 
of 70,000 glass plate negatives are now housed in PRONI, Belfast.

Perhaps the boys were billeted with local families during their stay in 
Artigarvan? I have checked the Derry papers for any reports of the boys’ 
sojourn, but there was none. You may have some success with locating Florrie 
and her fate if a member of the well-known McMichael family happens to read 
this. 

The McMichael’s of Gortileck are on my family tree, but I have no information 
on them post 1860.

Wishing you every success,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Florrie McIntyre, Artigarvan 1930

Looking for Florrie McIntyre, Artigarvan 1930


Although this isn't really genealogy, I thought someone might be able to
assist in this identification??

Jim

Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] McNutt /McCoy

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Ron,
Have done some research regarding Alexander McNutt and emigration to Nova 
Scotia: the following item is taken from the Dictionary of Ulster Biography 
https://www.newulsterbiography.co.uk/ Advertisements for this scheme could not 
have been advertised in the Londonderry papers as the first edition of the 
Londonderry Journal (as it was then known – did not become the Derry Journal 
until 1880) was issued  in June 3, 1772. In addition to advertisements placed 
in the Belfast Newsletter, the scheme would have been widely promoted by 
emigration agents who followed the circuit of Fair Days and Market Days 
throughout Ulster.

For any possible data surviving in Ireland, I suggest you enquire at PRONI, 
Belfast, and the Mellon Centre for Migration Studies, Ulster American Folk 
Park, Castletown, Omagh, Co. Tyrone https://mellonmigrationcentre.com/ 
(temporarily  closed). My thoughts are that if any records have survived, they 
would be located in Nova Scotia, in the form of applications for land and 
grants.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

ALEXANDER McNUTT (1725 - 1811):
ARMY OFFICER AND COLONIAL DEVELOPER
Alexander McNutt was one of the most prominent individuals involved in 
promoting emigration from Ulster to North America in the mid-nineteenth 
century. He was principally active in Nova Scotia, and had highly ambitious 
schemes to settle thousands of emigrants from Ulster there, plans which were 
initially successful but were frustrated by British government scepticism and 
their own ambitious nature.
McNutt was born in Londonderry (though some sources say Donegal), and settled 
in Staunton, Virginia, in about 1750. During the wars against France in the 
1750s, he raised and commanded as colonel a 30-strong militia. In 1760, in the 
wake of the British defeat of French forces, he was offered a large grant 
(£5,000) on condition that he settle large numbers of Protestants (deemed to be 
loyal to Britain) from the north of Ireland (the part of Ireland where mostly 
they lived). In May 1761, he placed an advertisement in the Belfast Newsletter 
outlining the terms and practicalities involved, promising fertile land, 
perpetual deeds for the heads of families of 200 acres, with a further 50 for 
each child, favourable financial terms, low rents (none for the first ten 
years) and no tithes. Rather naughtily he omitted to mention that much of the 
land was still in its natural, uncultivated state, nor did he mention that much 
of the "choicest lands" referred to were already reserved.
Nonetheless McNutt, who was a man possessed of considerable optimism as well as 
energy, crossed to Ulster to select agents, principally in Derry city (Arthur 
Vance), but also across Ulster, though distinctly more in the west; locations 
included Castledoe, Ramelton, Raphoe, Faun, Convoy and Letterkenny in County 
Donegal; Strabane and Omagh in Tyrone, Maghera in County Londonderry; he also 
had a representative in Castleblayney, County Monaghan. The geographical 
profile is of lowland and heavily Protestant areas of western Ulster, which 
already by this date had a tradition of out-migration. In 1761, he sent some 
300 emigrants across the Atlantic to Nova Scotia and a further 70 in 1762 
(though sources note that these were very rough figures); he later claimed to 
have settled over 1,000 families, exceeding the government's planned settling 
of 600. Land in Nova Scotia was not expensive, and New England was reckoned to 
be filling up. But his plans were experiencing some difficulties.
His initial successes set off alarm bells in London, where it was feared that 
large depopulation of Protestants from Ulster "may yet be ...attended with 
dangerous consequences" to Britain, and decided to restrict settlement to those 
who had already been resident in British colonies for a minimum of five years. 
When he travelled to Ulster again in June 1762, armed with glowing testimonials 
from the 1761 batch of emigrants (a common technique), he was aware very well 
of government reluctance, and issued a hastily-written advertisement which gave 
prospective emigrants only a matter of days to present themselves at the port 
of Derry. Still, he managed to recruit several hundred willing emigrants, 
though on arrival McNutt demanded more money for them, failing which he would 
send them to Philadelphia - which in any case had closed ties, maritime, 
mercantile and personal, with Derry, and many emigrants preferred to settle 
where they had fellow countrymen or relatives.
After 1762, McNutt withdrew somewhat from such emigration schemes, though by no 
means completely, chartering ships in 1763 and 1765 to sail from Derry to Nova 
Scotia, though he did not advertise this as forcefully as he had in 1761. Some 
historians have written that McNutt's achievement was surprisingly low in 
numbers, given that there many civic disturbances in western Ulster at the 
time. However, one facto which has been pointed to was rather a p

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] I'm trying to find my great grandfather Felix John Quinn

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello again Francesca,
Jim McKane has suggested taking a look at 
https://www.culturenorthernireland.org/article/1185/a-brief-history-of-ardboe  
for a reference to Munterevlin.

Place Names of Northern Ireland is essential for locating obsolete sub 
denominations and long-forgotten placenames 
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=20934 and Munterevlin is 
mentioned in Arboe parish in 1609 at the time of the Plantation. Apparently 
mentioned in Ordnance Survey Memoirs c1835, but not in either the Arboe tithe 
applotment Book (1826) or Griffiths Valuation (c1860), so obviously declared 
obsolete and had fallen out of use by that time. There are many Quinns recorded 
in the tithe book, including several with the given name of Felix.

So then went to the online Arboe RC registers of baptisms 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/arboe-rc3.html There are three 
Felix Quinns recorded and their townland of residence, but none born in 1850. 
Perhaps your forebear took the knowledge of an old native place of birth, known 
only locally with him when he emigrated?

Hope this helps………..second time lucky,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Felix John Quinn

Hello Francesca,

There is no location or townland within Co Tyrone known as Munterevlin. 
Referring to the Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes and 
Baronies of Ireland (compiled in 1851 and still current), it is not recorded in 
any of the twenty-six counties, North or South. How accurate do you believe 
your record to be?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] I'm trying to find my great grandfather Felix 
John Quinn

I’m trying to find my grandfather Felix John Quinn born in Munterevlin, 
Ireland. I have his birthdate as April 7, 1850. He died in New York in 1896.

I’ve probably spent over 60 hours pouring through documents or old microfiche 
but to no avail.

He was Roman Catholic. I do know that but I still can’t find anything. Any 
ideas?

Thanks so much,

Francesca Piantadosi
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] I'm trying to find my great grandfather Felix John Quinn

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Francesca,

There is no location or townland within Co Tyrone known as Munterevlin. 
Referring to the Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes and 
Baronies of Ireland (compiled in 1851 and still current), it is not recorded in 
any of the twenty-six counties, North or South. How accurate do you believe 
your record to be?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Francesca Piantadosi via 
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Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 6:44 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] I'm trying to find my great grandfather Felix 
John Quinn

I’m trying to find my grandfather Felix John Quinn born in Munterevlin, 
Ireland. I have his birthdate as April 7, 1850. He died in New York in 1896.

I’ve probably spent over 60 hours pouring through documents or old microfiche 
but to no avail.

He was Roman Catholic. I do know that but I still can’t find anything. Any 
ideas?

Thanks so much,

Francesca Piantadosi
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] 1800s Croziers

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Martha,

If your forebear was a weaver, he was probably a small farmer who attempted to 
earn a living during the cold winter months when there were no crops to tend; 
it could be a rather precarious occupation as the rewards were not great. The 
loom was generally situated in the kitchen or in a loft. I referred to the 1796 
Flaxgrowers List and there was only one Crozier recorded in Kilskeery parish – 
JAMES CROSIER.

I located this old post from 2003  This is your family? 
I hope so.

[CoTyrone] County Tyrone - Parish Kilskeery - Townlands of Carran, 
Magheralough, Drumash
Terry Crozier
3/11/2003, 3:59:45 AM
Greetings. I am seeking anyone that may be familiar with the Crozier’s that 
lived in this area of County Tyrone, just east of Trillick in the late 1700’ s. 
In the 1851 Census of Canada West, my ggg grandfather and family had settled 
near Mount Forest in the Township of Normanby, County of Grey, Ontario, located 
west of Toronto. They are recorded as follows: Ralph Crozier, Margaret Crozier 
children were William, John, Robert, Martha and George. Family lore indicated 
that my gg grandfather William was born in County Tyrone. I was fortunate 
enough to locate an entry in the Canada Company Remittance Books Index of an 
entry dated 1844. The message was from a William Crozier of Streetsville to his 
father Ralph Crozier – Townland of Springhill, P.O. Trillick. A search of the 
Kilskeery Parish records located the family, baptismal dates in brackets: Ralph 
Crozier and Margaret Crozier (Pursley), children: Sally (June 14, 1822), Martha 
(September 8, 1825), John (May 25, 1828), Robert (January 23, 1831), George 
(September 3, 1838). Missing from the list in the Kilskeery Parish record in my 
gg grandfather William, and I had no prior knowledge of Sally Crozier. It would 
be considered that Ralph Crozier was baptized on April 1, 1793 to parents 
William and Rose Crozier, Townland Magheralough. Anyone that can had any 
additional information would be greatly appreciated. Regards Terry Crozier


Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] 1800s Croziers

I do have info that indicates his dad was a weaver. I've seen a Ralph crosier 
on a list connected with flax.
Thanks

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 wrote:
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> HI Martha - there's a Ralph Crozier in the tithe list for 1828 which could
> be his father??
>
> I found him by using our Every Name Index.
>
> Good luck
> Jim
> Jim McKane
> Kitchener, Ontario
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:33 PM road runner via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
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> > My ancestor, Ralph V. Crozier came to America @ 1818.  He was born
> > Christmas 1800.   I think his dad was also Ralph and had been a weaver. Any
> > suggestions  to go further with his Irish roots would be appreciated.  Im
> > lucky to have found a good bit after he came to America, and willing to
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Wills of David & George MacGhee

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

This is interesting; there are two surviving Maghee graves in Leckpatrick Old 
Burial Ground, Ballymagorry, Strabane, Co. Tyrone; both with gravestones.

GEORGE MAGHEE
HERE LYETH THE BODY OF GEORGE MAGHEE WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE THE 29[TH] DAY OF 
NOVEMBER ANNO DOM 1743
Mention is made of the Wilsons of Dergalt, Strabane; these are the ancestors of 
President Woodrow Wilson

JOHN MAGHEE
[with Armorial motif] HERE IS THE BURIAL GROUND OF JOHN MAGHEE DECEASED 26 
FEBRUARY 1617 AND HIS FAMILY
This is one of the oldest headstones to survive anywhere in Ulster

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Memorandum of the Will of David MacGhee, Loghmonye, Co. Tyrone, Northern 
Ireland 1678

Will of George MacGhee, Stabane, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 
1741

Thanks to Bill McGee for two great additions to CTI!


Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Marriage of James Cooper and Widow Keys of Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1810

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you for your kind comments Myrna which are much appreciated; it is very 
nice hearing from another researcher. I hope it will be possible to continue 
forwarding items to Jim McKane and the incredible 
www.cotyroneirelandcom<http://www.cotyroneirelandcom> but please remember that 
I am not a professional, a volunteer only, and my files are all offered on a 
voluntary basis.

Stay safe during these strange times!

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1810

Thank you, Len, for all of your most astonishing contributions which I (and 
many others) look forward to on a daily basis.  This one “tops the cake”!

Wishing you and all the listers a Happy Easter and good health.

Thank you,  Myrna Chambers Lattanzi, Libau, Manitoba, Canada

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> Hello Listers,
> This item from Saunders News Letter, Dublin, reported an astonishing event in 
> the town of Strabane, Co. Tyrone:
>
> December 18 1810
> MARRIAGE – On the 9th inst. at Strabane, by the Rev. Mr. Hamilton, JAMES 
> COOPER to WIDOW KEYS, both of that town – the former is ninety years of age 
> and the latter thirty. The bridegroom, by reason of his debility, was 
> supported by a Gentleman Barber to and from the altar of Hymen, amid a 
> concourse of three or four hundred spectators, who attended to witness the 
> ceremony, which was announced by several vollies of musquetry. It is reported 
> that another lady in the same town is very melancholy, as she had foolishly 
> rejected the proposal of becoming his spouse. (Saunders News Letter)
>
> Truly astonishing!
>
> Wishing all a Happy Easter and a relaxing holiday and please stay safe in 
> these strange times,
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Marriage of James Cooper and Widow Keys of Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1810

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

I did search for a report of a possible birth or death announcement Robert, but 
sadly nothing (or anything).

Len Swindley

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Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1810

I if was ever reported who regretted what in one years time?!
RCPeterson

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>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello Listers,
>> This item from Saunders News Letter, Dublin, reported an astonishing event 
>> in the town of Strabane, Co. Tyrone:
>>
>> December 18 1810
>> MARRIAGE – On the 9th inst. at Strabane, by the Rev. Mr. Hamilton, JAMES 
>> COOPER to WIDOW KEYS, both of that town – the former is ninety years of age 
>> and the latter thirty. The bridegroom, by reason of his debility, was 
>> supported by a Gentleman Barber to and from the altar of Hymen, amid a 
>> concourse of three or four hundred spectators, who attended to witness the 
>> ceremony, which was announced by several vollies of musquetry. It is 
>> reported that another lady in the same town is very melancholy, as she had 
>> foolishly rejected the proposal of becoming his spouse. (Saunders News 
>> Letter)
>>
>> Truly astonishing!
>>
>> Wishing all a Happy Easter and a relaxing holiday and please stay safe in 
>> these strange times,
>> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>>
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Marriage of James Cooper and Widow Keys of Strabane, Co. Tyrone 1810

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,
This item from Saunders News Letter, Dublin, reported an astonishing event in 
the town of Strabane, Co. Tyrone:

December 18 1810
MARRIAGE – On the 9th inst. at Strabane, by the Rev. Mr. Hamilton, JAMES COOPER 
to WIDOW KEYS, both of that town – the former is ninety years of age and the 
latter thirty. The bridegroom, by reason of his debility, was supported by a 
Gentleman Barber to and from the altar of Hymen, amid a concourse of three or 
four hundred spectators, who attended to witness the ceremony, which was 
announced by several vollies of musquetry. It is reported that another lady in 
the same town is very melancholy, as she had foolishly rejected the proposal of 
becoming his spouse. (Saunders News Letter)

Truly astonishing!

Wishing all a Happy Easter and a relaxing holiday and please stay safe in these 
strange times,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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[CoTyroneMailingList] Bankruptcy Records: Petitions of Insolvent Debtors 1820-1850

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers

I have received an off-list message from a delighted researcher regarding the 
extensive list of BANKRUPTCY RECORDS transcribed and uploaded on CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ This is the most extensive online collection 
on any website and contains the names, addresses and occupations of those 
several thousands who found themselves in dire financial straits during the 
period 1820-50. The CTI collection covers not only Co. Tyrone, but also an 
expanding list for Cos. Donegal, Londonderry and Fermanagh and can be found at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/criminals.html

Bankrupts came from all walks of life; clergymen, merchants, farmers, 
tradesmen, (army) pensioners, labourers and widows.


Prior to 1820, insolvents were held in the Marshalsea (Debtors’ Prison) in 
Dublin, but under a new Act, debtors were to be detained within the County Jail 
until outstanding debts had been cleared to the satisfaction of creditors. 
Quarterly hearings of petitions for relief were advertised in the county 
newspapers and it this information that forms the basis of these files.
This delighted U.S. researcher has located the townland of her forebears prior 
to emigration; information that could not be found in any tithe applotment 
book. Another success story for CTI.

Don’t overlook this interesting resource and all good wishes,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia – enthusiastic submitter of files to CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/

PETITIONS OF INSOLVENT DEBTORS, COS. TYRONE, DONEGAL, LONDONDERRY & FERMANAGH
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, December 
1821
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Lifford,Co. Donegal December 
1821
- Bankruptcy: Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Debtors' Court, Enniskillen, Co. 
Fermanagh, April 
1822
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, May 
1822
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, November 
1822
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, 
Northern Ireland, November 
1822
- Bankruptcy - Discharge of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, May 
1823
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Omagh, May 
1824
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Omagh, August 
1824
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, November 
1824
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Londonderry, Co. Londonderry, 
November 1824
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Insolvent Debtors' Court, 
Lifford, Co. Dongeal, November 
1824
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Omagh, April 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Londonderry, Co. 
Londonderry, April 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Omagh, August 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Londonderry, Co. 
Londonderry August 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Lifford, Co. Donegal, August 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Londonderry, Co. 
Londonderry November 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Enniskillen, Co. 
Fermanagh November 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, November 
1826
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Lifford, Co. Donegal, 
November 1826
- Bankruptcy: Petitions of Insolvent Debtors, Debtors' Court, Enniskillen, Co. 
Fermanagh, June 
1828
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Insolvent Debtors' Court, Londonderry, Co. 
Londonderry June 
1828
- Bankruptcy - Petitions of Ins

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Donagheady Old Burial Ground, Church Hill, Donemana, Donagheady Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland - Index to Names & Townlands Recorded

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Peggy,

St Cadinus old church was the parish church (Established Church/ Church of 
Ireland). It stood in the parish graveyard where all families belonging to the 
parish had an allocated place of burial; Catholics and Protestants lie at rest 
side by side.
This file accompanies my submission of Thursday 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady7.html

All good wishes,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Donagheady Old Burial Ground, Church Hill, Donemana, Donagheady Parish, Co. 
Tyrone, Northern Ireland - Index to Names & Townlands Recorded on Headstones & 
Memorials

What religion is this church?


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 wrote:

Donagheady Old Burial Ground, Church Hill, Donemana, Donagheady Parish, Co.
Tyrone, Northern Ireland - Index to Names & Townlands Recorded on
Headstones & Memorials


Thanks again to Len Swindley for another MASSIVE piece of work for CTI!



Jim McKane
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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Susan,

The set of Co Donegal maps created by Bob Hilchey are unique to that county 
only. Sadly, there is nothing remotely close to the detail they contain 
elsewhere (and freely available online):
CIVIL PARISHES and TOWNLAND MAPS
And maps of BARONIES  and ECCLESLIASTICAL divisions, and additionally,
each parish map indicates which POOR LAW UNION they fall within. Bob Hilchey’s 
maps are essential for Co. Donegal research.

As Jim advised, there is a complete set of free online parish maps (indicating 
each townland) for Co. Tyrone on CTI, but they follow a different format to 
that compiled by Bob Hilchey.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Townlands, Civil Parishes, Baronies & Dioceses Maps of Co. Donegal, Ireland

Are there maps like these for Co. Tyrone?

Susan

On 2020-02-21 3:08 a.m., Jim McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
> Townlands, Civil Parishes, Baronies & Dioceses Maps of Co. Donegal, Ireland
> 
>
> A complete set of maps for the whole of Co. Donegal.
>
> Enjoy
> Jim McKane
> Kitchener, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - AReligious Census of Termonmaguirk Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland - 1780

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

As a volunteer transcriber and submitter of files to CTI, I offer a very big 
thank you to KEVIN MOLLOY for his kind contribution of such an interesting and 
useful resource. Jim has done a great job of pulling it all together into such 
an easy-to-search file.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia  

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AReligious Census of Termonmaguirk Parish, Co. Tyrone,Northern Ireland - 1780

You are VERY welcome. We are just so glad to learn of your success!

Sure hope it helps many more researchers
Jim

Jim McKane
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> Thank you, Jim McKane for this entry, the religious census of Termonmaguirk
> Parish.  It is one of the possible origins of my ancestor
> Joseph McGarvey born 1811 in "Omagh" .  He and his wife Margaret Mary
> Conway, sons John W McGarvey born 1848 and Joseph born 1851 immigrated to
> Philadelphia, PA
> in 1851.
> Lizanne McGarvey Smith
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:24 AM Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> > A Religious Census of Termonmaguirk Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland
> -
> > 1780 
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> > Thanks to Kevin Molloy of England for this HUGE addition to CTI!
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Ardboe Parish Topographical Dictionary

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Katie,

Yes, the population of Ardboe parish is contained within the file: 8,148 
inhabitants (you will find it on the third line)

There is no surviving Religious Census for Ardboe; all the censuses were 
destroyed in Dublin in 1922 and just a few transcripts survive, but sadly, none 
for Ardboe.

There are transcripts for several parishes transcribed on CTI
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/1766-ArmaghCensus.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/1766artrea.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/1766derryloran.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/drumglass.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/dungannonreligious.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/1766kildress.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/census/1766Tullyniskan.html

Hope this is interesting to everyone.
All the best,
Len Swindley



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Thanks especially, Len, since this is my area of concentration. Did the 
Dictionary list the number of residents in this parish, as some others do? If 
so, I’d be glad to go through and do a religious census if there’s a film I 
could have access to.

Gratefully yours,

Katie Green
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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Charlotte; I’m always looking for items that add another dimension to 
the lives of our forebears. Delighted that you like it.

Len Swindley

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Very nice to see this.
My husband's ancestors came from Enniskillen and Derrygonnelly.  They left
Ireland in the early 1840s so may have had their mail delivered by this
postmaster.
Charlotte Gorley

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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thanks for your message Liz; it is much appreciated,
Len Swindley

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Thank you for this. many of my ancestors are from this area.


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Donagheady & Dunamangh in 1837 - Lewis' Topographical Dictionalry of Ireland


Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

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Thanks for your message Liz; it is much appreciated
Len

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Thank you for this. many of my ancestors are from this area.


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Tunji & Marion,

I have no plans of travelling to Belfast and PRONI (have had six research 
forays previously) in the short-term. To be successful in your search, it is 
vital to ascertain the name of the native parish of your emigrant forebear. 
Referring to
the search function at CTI (in excess of 300,000 records)
[cid:image002.png@01D5DC2F.09E45430]
there are no Lee/ Lees/ Lays recorded in north or mid Tyrone parishes which 
fall within the Diocese of Derry; there are records in parishes in the south 
and east of the county, but those parishes fall within the dioceses of Clogher 
and Armagh. I recommend you search in that part of the county unless you have 
further information.

All the best,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Hello Tunji
Unfortunately I ran out of time on my last visit to Ireland and didn’t make it 
to Proni. I am still interested in any information about the tenants of the 
diocese of Derry in the parish of Urney if anyone should come across anything. 
Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Regards Marion

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Dear Marion and Len,

Did any of you had the chance to look at any of the Derry Bishopric
Estate records at PRONI in the end? I would be interested to know what
kind of information these might contain and whether they would be
useful in trying to trace Lee/Lees ancestors who lived on Church
lands.

Kind regards,

Tunji Lees

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Hello Marion,

I cannot recall sending you the Bishopric of Derry Estate details, but
I guess I did. The data would have been extracted from William
Roulston’s essential research tool RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS
1600-1800 (2edn edn.,2018) Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast.

Pre 1800 rentals and leases and call numbers are:
Derry Bishopric Estate, all parishes in the diocese of Derry
Rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, 1719 - D/683/31, 275, 278, 287
Leases of the see of Derry c. 1696 - D/683/240
Lease rents of the see of Derry 1718 D683/286
Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in Clonleigh
parish 1790 - D2798/3/59

Hope this works for you,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular,
Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was
very helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and
the details of what they included. I have been planning my next trip
to Proni and searching the e catalogue for reference numbers for these
records but I have been unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else,
tell me what I am doing wrong and how I can find this information.
Regards Marion Shephard
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Death Announcements from the Derry Journal January 24 1849

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello again Listers,

Am hoping that someone may find a forebear recorded here amongst these death 
announcements from the Derry Journal of January 24 1849.

Continued success with your research and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Marriage Announcements Derry Journal December 24 1849

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

This extract of marriage announcements from the Derry Journal, December 24 may 
be interesting. It’s always useful to note that although your forebear 
emigrated, his parents, siblings  and other family members remained at home 
where married and died.

Good luck with your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham Research Errigal Keerogue Parish Co Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

hich sailed from Londonderry 
for Quebec in 1847: there is a family of Andrew & Elizabeth Cunningham and five 
children from Omagh amongst a long list of passengers. One has to be careful 
not to accept that they actually lived in Omagh; it was necessary to quote the 
nearest post town for the mailing of their tickets and information re. the 
proposed date of departure.Again, hope this assists your research,

LenSwindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Hello Elizabeth,
As the death of Elizabeth Cunningham falls within the period of civil 
registration of BDMs in Ireland, I have checked the details of Elizabeth’s 
death (image has not yet been uploaded on the website 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


[cid:image002.png@01D5D35C.4D71C010]
This Elizabeth Cunningham died in Co. Tyrone and was aged only 31 years upon 
her decease, so, sadly, it is not possible that she is the emigrant. There are 
many instances where deaths and marriages of emigrants to the US, Canada and 
Australia are reported in the local press, but the details of the location of 
the event are always included.

Sorry for the disappointing news, Elizabeth and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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July 20 1869 Died July 15, Elizabeth, wife of MR. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM,
Ardstraw Bridge, county Tyrone
 This taken from...

Cunningham Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1828-69
Personal notices extracted from the STRABANE MORNING POST & LONDONDERRY
SENTINEL
Transcribed, compiled and submitted by Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
len_swindley[at]hotmail.com<http://hotmail.com>
This i believe are my gr-gr-gr grandparents that arrived here in Canada and
settled with their children and grandchildren in Simcoe County Ontario
Canada. They arrived in 1847 and I have the passenger list to confirm.
Andrew Cunningham and his wife Elizabeth (Clark) were buried here  and the
date of death is identical. I am assuming that this was a notice posted in
their former community in Ireland although both died and were buried in
Ontario. Does that seem reasonable?
 If so then "Ardstraw Bridge " would be a good place for me to start to
trace family perhaps?

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On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:40 AM Len Swindley, 
mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello again Elizabeth,
 I’m wondering if you have visited the CTI Links menu for shipping lists? 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/links.htmlIf you go to the J & J Cooke 
passenger lists and click on 
https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtmlthen the passenger 
manifest for the “Sesothis” which sailed from Londonderry for Quebec in 1847: 
there is a family of Andrew & Elizabeth Cunningham and five children from Omagh 
amongst a long list of passengers. One has to be careful not to accept that 
they actually lived in Omagh; it was necessary to quote the nearest post town 
for the mailing of their tickets and information re. the proposed date of 
departure.
Again, hope this assists your research,
LenSwindley, Melbourne, Australia

From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2020 8:49 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham
 Hello Elizabeth,
As the death of Elizabeth Cunningham falls within the period of civil 
registration of BDMs in Ireland, I have checked the details of Elizabeth’s 
death (image has not yet been uploaded on the website 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


[cid:image002.png@01D5D35C.4D71C010]
This Elizabeth Cunningham died in Co. Tyrone and was aged only 31 years upon 
her decease, so, sadly, it is not possible that she is the emigrant. There are 
many instances where deaths and marriages of emigrants to the US, Canada and 
Australia are reported in the local press, but the details 

[CoTyroneMailingList] Ulster Historical Foundation U.S. Lecture Tour 2020

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

 Hello Listers,



For those who are fortunate to able to attend these lectures you are in for a 
treat. These lectures are absolutely the best introduction to Irish Family 
History. An event not to be missed!



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



American Lecture Tour, 06-22 March 2020

With only six weeks to go until we commence in Chicago, IL, preparations are 
well underway for our forthcoming Irish and Scots-Irish family history lecture 
tour in America, 06–22 March.

We look forward to meeting Guild members, old friends, supporters and new 
acquaintances at one of the 14 stops on our itinerary across the USA.

The speakers, Fintan Mullan and Gillian Hunt, will offer advice on how to get 
the most out of Irish resources and records, to help fill in gaps in your 
research.

If you would like to register for one of the programmes simply click on the 
relevant link below.

List of Venues

Friday, 6 March 2020 - Chicago IL (9:00am–5:00pm)

Location: Erin Room, Irish American Heritage Center, 4626 N Knox Ave, Chicago, 
IL 60630

Web: 
https://irish-american.org/event/irish-genealogy-workshop-with-the-ulster-historical-foundation/

Cost: Free, lunch can be pre-purchased if needed

Saturday, 7 March 2020 - Madison WI (9:00am–5:00pm)

Location: Memorial Library Room 126, 728 State Street, Madison, WI 53706

Web: 
www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Event/EV7421

Cost: $36 WHS members and WSGS members; $40 non-members. Lunch included.

Sunday, 8 March 2020 - York PA (1:00pm–5:00pm)

Location: York County History Center, 250 East Market Street, York, PA 17403

Web: 
www.scpgs.org
 & www.yorkhistorycenter.org 


Cost: $40.00 per person; FREE to members of the South Central Pennsylvania 
Genealogical Society and of the York County History Center

Monday, 9 March 2020 - Staunton, VA (9:00am to 4:30pm)

Location: Staunton Public Library, 1 Churchville Ave., Staunton, VA 24401 (2nd 
floor Meeting Room)

To Register: email 
davidso...@ci.staunton.va.us

Cost: Free

Wednesday, 11 March 2020 - Bloomington, IN (12 noon–7:00pm)

Location: Upstairs, The Irish Lion Restaurant & Pub, 212 West Kirkwood Ave, 
Bloomington, IN 47404

Web: 
www.ancestryireland.com/usa-lecture-tour-2020/

Cost: $50 (General Admission), $45 (UHF Guild and Irish Lion Affiliates)

Friday, 13 March 2020 - Richmond, VA (9:30am - 12:30pm)

Location: Library of Virginia, 800 East Broad Street, Richmond Virginia, 23219

Web: 
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Cost: $25 General Admission; $20 Semper Virginia Society Members

Saturday, 14 March 2020 - Frankfort, KY (08:30am-4:30pm)

Location: Kentucky History Center & Museum, 100 W. Broadway, Frankfort, Kentucky

Web: https://kygs.org/cpage.php?pt=82 


Cost: $25 General Admission, $20 for KGS members (Lunch - $12 extra)

Sunday, 15 March 2020 - Philadelphia, PA (9:00am-4:30pm)

Location: Brookside Manor, 50 Bustleton Pike, Feasterville-Trevose, PA 19053

Registration: 
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[CoTyroneMailingList] FW: Cunningham Research

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

From: Len Swindley 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 9:31:32 PM
To: Elizabeth Vervaeke ; 
cotyronelist-requ...@cotyroneireland.com 

Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham


Hello Elizabeth,

I am responding to your off-list message via the List as the information may be 
useful to other Cunningham researchers.

There is little doubt that your emigrant forebear Andrew Cunningham hailed from 
Brackagh, Errigal Keerogue parish in County Tyrone (always important to quote 
the parish with Irish research); there are three townlands of that name in the 
county. If you go to my files of the Errigal Keerogue Tithe Applotment Books:

1832 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/errigal_keerogue.html

1833 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/errigal_keerogue1833.html

you will find Andrew Cunningham in Brackagh/ Bracagh in both books and 
additionally a Michael in Culembrawm (Cullenbrone) in the same parish in 1832 
and a Nathaniel in Bracagh in 1833.



It will be most useful to locate information on the economic and social 
conditions in that part of Tyrone and I recommend you look at the Ordnance 
Survey Memoirs of the 1830s (not available online). Errigal Keerogue parish is 
covered in the The Parishes of County Tyrone Volume 2 (Institute of Irish 
Studies, The Queen’s University of Belfast). If a subscriber to this List has a 
copy they may be kind and scan the relevant pages for you.



There are no Cunninghams recorded in Brackagh in the c1860 Griffiths Valuation 
of the parish but there is a Jane in Meetinghouse Street, Ballygawley and 
Michael in Cullenbrone. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Also, refer to the online PRONI Guide to Church Records to ascertain which 
registers have survived from the period 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records I note that 
Brackagh townlands abuts the boundary with Clogherney parish, offering another 
possible source for church records.



All good wishes for your research,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia







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From: Elizabeth Vervaeke<mailto:e.verva...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:37 AM
To: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham



Dear Len,

 I have been following these messages for several years . I have been grateful 
for all of the tremendous contributions you are making to so many families .

I have done extensive research on the Cunningham family when they left Ireland 
and County Tyrone to settle in Simcoe County Ontario . They remained there 
until my father's generation. It has been a dream of mine to find the 
connections in Ireland but I have as much as given up after 15 years of 
research.

It is a very large family with many common names and birth dates . The one key 
element that I have continued to focus on is a family  Bible that I have of 
Andrew Cunningham's that he wrote in in 1832. The location is "Brackagh".

There are a number of variations on the spelling but the one I think is most 
likely to be accurate is close to Sixmilecross just south east of Omagh.

 I have followed so many trails down rabbit holes that haven't given me clear 
direction . Indeed I do  have the passenger list from the Sestosis which has 
also been a key element.I have the land grants and almost all of the  burials 
including photographs I have taken  of the head stones of my relatives.

What I would dearly love to discover is the community they left in Ireland and 
the family that they may have left behind.

I know for certain that Andrew Cunningham and Elizabeth Clark are my 
great-great-grandparents . But discovering their birth and parents /siblings in 
Co. Tyrone would be a dream come true.



Thank.you again for all your generous research and assistance !!



Kind Regards





Elizabeth (Cunningham) Vervaeke



On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 12:40 AM Len Swindley, 
mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello again Elizabeth,



I’m wondering if you have visited the CTI Links menu for shipping lists? 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/links.html

If you go to the J & J Cooke passenger lists and click on 
https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtml

then the passenger manifest for the “Sesothis” which sailed from Londonderry 
for Quebec in 1847: there is a family of Andrew & Elizabeth Cunningham and five 
children from Omagh amongst a long list of passengers. One has to be careful 
not to accept that they actually lived in Omagh; it was necessary to quote the 
nearest post town for the mailing of their tickets and information re. the 
proposed date of departure.



Again, hope this assists your research,

LenSwindley, Melbourne, Australia



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From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.co

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello again Elizabeth,

I’m wondering if you have visited the CTI Links menu for shipping lists? 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/links.html
If you go to the J & J Cooke passenger lists and click on 
https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtml
then the passenger manifest for the “Sesothis” which sailed from Londonderry 
for Quebec in 1847: there is a family of Andrew & Elizabeth Cunningham and five 
children from Omagh amongst a long list of passengers. One has to be careful 
not to accept that they actually lived in Omagh; it was necessary to quote the 
nearest post town for the mailing of their tickets and information re. the 
proposed date of departure.

Again, hope this assists your research,
LenSwindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2020 8:49 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

Hello Elizabeth,
As the death of Elizabeth Cunningham falls within the period of civil 
registration of BDMs in Ireland, I have checked the details of Elizabeth’s 
death (image has not yet been uploaded on the website 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


[cid:image002.png@01D5D35C.4D71C010]
This Elizabeth Cunningham died in Co. Tyrone and was aged only 31 years upon 
her decease, so, sadly, it is not possible that she is the emigrant. There are 
many instances where deaths and marriages of emigrants to the US, Canada and 
Australia are reported in the local press, but the details of the location of 
the event are always included.

Sorry for the disappointing news, Elizabeth and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Elizabeth Vervaeke via 
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Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2020 4:22 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com>
Cc: Elizabeth Vervaeke<mailto:e.verva...@gmail.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

July 20 1869 Died July 15, Elizabeth, wife of MR. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM,
Ardstraw Bridge, county Tyrone
 This taken from...

Cunningham Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1828-69
Personal notices extracted from the STRABANE MORNING POST & LONDONDERRY
SENTINEL
Transcribed, compiled and submitted by Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
len_swindley[at]hotmail.com
This i believe are my gr-gr-gr grandparents that arrived here in Canada and
settled with their children and grandchildren in Simcoe County Ontario
Canada. They arrived in 1847 and I have the passenger list to confirm.
Andrew Cunningham and his wife Elizabeth (Clark) were buried here  and the
date of death is identical. I am assuming that this was a notice posted in
their former community in Ireland although both died and were buried in
Ontario. Does that seem reasonable?
 If so then "Ardstraw Bridge " would be a good place for me to start to
trace family perhaps?

--
*Elizabeth*
e.verva...@gmail.com
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Donagheady Parish Church (Church of Ireland), Donemana, Co. Tyrone, Baptisms January - May 1755

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

Are there researchers out there who have copies of further pages from the 
pre1845 baptismal, marriages and burial records for Donagheady Parish Church, 
Earlsgift, Donemana, Co. Tyrone? I am willing to transcribe them and submitting 
same to CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/

This is an important parish as emigration of residents to the American colonies 
commenced prior to 1720. Many of these records were on the former Bready 
Ancestry website which has sadly been taken down. PRONI lists the survival of 
records of Baptisms commencing 1697, Marriages comm. 1697 and Burials from 
1698. Also, Vestry Minutes date from 1697.

Please email me directly if you wish to share this information with the 
community of Co. Tyrone researchers
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Jim McKane
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 11:17 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Donagheady Parish Church (Church 
of Ireland), Donemana, Co. Tyrone, Baptisms January - May 1755

Donagheady Parish Church (Church of Ireland), Donemana, Co. Tyrone, Northern 
Ireland, Baptisms January - May 
1755

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!


Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Elizabeth,
As the death of Elizabeth Cunningham falls within the period of civil 
registration of BDMs in Ireland, I have checked the details of Elizabeth’s 
death (image has not yet been uploaded on the website 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


[cid:image002.png@01D5D35C.4D71C010]
This Elizabeth Cunningham died in Co. Tyrone and was aged only 31 years upon 
her decease, so, sadly, it is not possible that she is the emigrant. There are 
many instances where deaths and marriages of emigrants to the US, Canada and 
Australia are reported in the local press, but the details of the location of 
the event are always included.

Sorry for the disappointing news, Elizabeth and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Elizabeth Vervaeke via 
CoTyroneList
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2020 4:22 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Elizabeth Vervaeke
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

July 20 1869 Died July 15, Elizabeth, wife of MR. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM,
Ardstraw Bridge, county Tyrone
 This taken from...

Cunningham Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1828-69
Personal notices extracted from the STRABANE MORNING POST & LONDONDERRY
SENTINEL
Transcribed, compiled and submitted by Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
len_swindley[at]hotmail.com
This i believe are my gr-gr-gr grandparents that arrived here in Canada and
settled with their children and grandchildren in Simcoe County Ontario
Canada. They arrived in 1847 and I have the passenger list to confirm.
Andrew Cunningham and his wife Elizabeth (Clark) were buried here  and the
date of death is identical. I am assuming that this was a notice posted in
their former community in Ireland although both died and were buried in
Ontario. Does that seem reasonable?
 If so then "Ardstraw Bridge " would be a good place for me to start to
trace family perhaps?

--
*Elizabeth*
e.verva...@gmail.com
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fulton - Windy Hill, near Donemana

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Dave,

The Fultons of Windyhill appear on my Arbuckle of Strabane family tree 
(marriage of 1864 at 2nd Dpnagheady Presb Church), but best to contact Faye 
Logue, a Fulton descendant who has researched the various Donagheady Fultons in 
quite some depth.

All the best,
Len

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From: Dave Mitchell via CoTyroneList
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2020 10:13 PM
To: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Dave Mitchell
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fulton - Windy Hill, near Donemana

Dear All



Anyone researching FULTON at WINDY HILL, Donagheady, co. Tyrone (near
Donemana)?



Quite by chance, I have come across newspaper entries for EDWARD FULTON,
bachelor, of WINDY HILL (or possibly ALBERT JOSEPH FULTON), who died in 1957
leaving a will that was challenged as a “death bed will” and disputed by no
fewer than 14 cousins who also sought a slice of his £12,000 estate ….!



All I have is a listing of some 12 newspaper mentions (1956 – 1960),
unedited OCR search hits and showing fragments only.



If anyone would like these notes, please contact me directly on
 d...@mweb.co.za



Warm regards





Dave Mitchell





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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Seeking help with searching Turbitt from Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Patricia,

Am unable to locate the birth of Mary from the information you have provided, 
but as Peggy’s research confirms, she was born in 1891. It will be possible to 
obtain online (at no cost) a copy of her birth certificate 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1886978.pdf
She was born in the townland (not town) of Cormore, Clogher parish: parents 
John Turbitt and Sarah Anne (formerly Hagan).

It should also be possible to obtain a copy of John and Sarah’s 1876 marriage 
certificate.

I suggest you refer to my file of the index to the 1829 Clogher parish Tithe 
Applotment Book https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/clogher.html
where there are several Turbitt families recorded in Cormore (but no Hagans).

Also, it is valuable to refer to  c1860 Griffiths Valuation 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ where there are several 
families of both Turbitts and Hagans recorded in Cormore, Clogher parish.

Trust this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 11:39:19 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com 
Cc: Peggy Gordon 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Seeking help with searching Turbitt from 
Tyrone

I found a marriage of John Turbot age 30 to Sarah Anne Hagan, age 19, of Eskra 
as per irishgenealogy.ie but the couple signed as John Turbitt and Sarah Anne 
O'Hagan. Aug 30, 1876 RC Chapel of Eskra, Clogher, Co. Tyrone. Maybe your 
couple.There is a daughter Mary to this couple baptised Aug 30, 1891 and a 
Margaret baptised Apr 29, 1894 in Cormore, District of Clogher.On the 1901 
census, Mary is not with the family in Cormore but there is a Mary Turbitt, age 
12, granddaughter living with widowed grandmother Sarah Hagan in Corkhill, 
Killyfaddy, Co. Tyrone.If Sarah Anne was 19 when married, she was born abt 
1857. Would be nice to see if her mother was also Sarah.Peggy
On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 03:18:00 p.m. PST, Patricia Sheridan via 
CoTyroneList  wrote:

 Hi all,

I am seeking to find any information on my grandmother born Mary (Mae) 
Ellen Turbitt 10August1895.  Her mother’s surname was O’Hagan. I tried to 
search the archives but as I do not have any information on the town she was 
born , I had no luck.
  I shall be traveling in April and was hoping to find something .
  I appreciate any help or guidance.

Kind regards,
 Patricia

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast, January 2020 Newsletter

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

For your interest am forwarding the January 2020 newsletter from the Ulster 
Historical Foundation (UHF) https://www.ancestryireland.com/

Ulster Historical Foundation
Telling the story of the people of Ulster
New free records available on PRONI’s website

The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has recently added a 
number of free resources to its website. These are tithe applotment books, 
1823–37; school grant-aid application forms, 1832–89; Hansard Official Reports 
of the Northern Ireland Assembly, 1998–2016 and photographs by A.R. Hogg for 
Belfast Corporation, 1912–15. Due to the lack of nineteenth century census 
returns in Ireland, land and valuation records have become hugely important in 
family history research. Griffith’s Valuation is the most well-known dating 
from the late 1840s to the mid 1860s – this is available online on 
askaboutireland.ie.

The tithe applotment books date from an earlier period (1823–37) so are useful 
for those whose ancestors emigrated during the Great Famine or before the time 
of Griffith’s Valuation or for those wishing to push their research back to the 
early 1800s. They predominantly record those renting land so generally do not 
cover urban areas, or those in the countryside renting only a house and no 
land. They list landholders by townland and parish and will also list the size 
of the portion of land rented and amount of tithe to be paid; some books may 
contain some additional information such as descriptions of the quality of land.

[Tithe book, Drumachose parish, FIN-5-A-115]

Tithe book, Drumachose parish, FIN/5/A/115 (Image courtesy of PRONI)

The National Archives of Ireland has the tithe records for the Republic of 
Ireland available 
online
 and now PRONI has made available those for Northern Ireland through their 
electronic 
catalogue.
 Using their eCatalogue one can search using the townland or parish or browse 
using the reference FIN/5/A and view full scans of the records online.

For those who do not yet know where their ancestors lived at this time, the 
index to tithe records can be searched on 
RootsIreland
 as well as on 
Ancestry

The school grant-aid application forms date from the beginning of the national 
education system in Ireland in the 1830s and in many instances survive from a 
much earlier period than school pupil registers. These were applications made 
to the Commissioners for National Education, most commonly for the salary of an 
assistant teacher or for the repair or building of the school. They also can 
contain inspectors’ reports as well as the applications and are particularly 
useful for those who had ancestors who were teachers. They are also helpful in 
building up a picture of life in the past as they describe the school, the 
number of pupils, the state of the school building and the names of teachers, 
pupil monitors, trustees and sometimes lists of local inhabitants who supported 
the application.

[Grant-aid application (Carryduff National School) ED-1-16-245]

Grant-aid application, Carryduff National School, ED/1/16/245 (Image courtesy 
of PRONI)

These are also available now through PRONI’s electronic 
catalogue.
 Using their eCatalogue one can search using the townland or parish or browse 
using the reference ED/1 and view full scans of the records online.

Finally, the Hogg Photographic Collection contains images of buildings and 
streets in Belfast (some named) in the 1910s. Some of the photographs include 
inhabitants standing outside houses although these individuals are not named. 
This is a fascinating collection for those who had ancestors living in Belfast 
at that time as it shows what the streets and buildings looked like. The images 
focused on those areas in Belfast which were to be affected by various 
improvement schemes such as road-widening and house demolishment.

These can be downloaded from

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] The Parish of Urney shares more Tithe Applotment "secrets" .... and they're online and downloadable!

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello All,

Urney parish researchers will find these two new submissions essential for 
locating tithe paying forebears in the 1830s.
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/urney_tithe.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/urney_tithe2.html

The online National Archives of Ireland, Dublin indexes are peppered with 
errors so it will be necessary to refer to my indexes and attempt to locate the 
relevant online page in the two tithe applotment books, but please be aware of 
the added challenge of the misspelling of townlands. This is not a situation 
affecting Urney parish only, but all parishes in Cos. Tyrone, Donegal, 
Londonderry and Fermanagh I have transcribed and indexed and submitted to CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/titheindex.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/tithe.html
In a recent discussion on another page, there were concerned posts expressing 
disappointment with the index to the new PRONI online Tithe Applotment Books 
and the absence of recorded Tyrone and Londonderry forebears; quite concerned, 
I referred to my indexes, and thankfully all “missing ancestors” were recorded. 
 I urge all researches to refer to them: all 43 Tyrone parishes have been 
indexed and  a growing number for Cos. Donegal, Londonderry & Fermanagh.

Multiple errors in transcription and indexing and the omission of at least one 
townland are apparent in the online Urney indexes on the National Archives of 
Ireland online archive 
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp– the Urney 
file is actually an amalgamation of two TABs but fails to acknowledge this – 
the 1825 valuation contains townlands within Co. Tyrone only whereas the 
valuation of the northern section of the parish (1827) consists of townlands in 
both Cos Tyrone & Donegal. Unfortunately, the map accompanying the tithe 
applotment books is actually that of Urney Parish, Co. Cavan.

Best of luck to everyone  with your research,
regards
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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"secrets"  and they're online and downloadable!

Thanks, Guys, for the team work!



Ray Hawkins has cleverly pointed out that names and surnames AS TRANSCRIBED
in the National Archives Listings may be different from what was actually
recorded .   Hence, for "Knox" there are entries under "Knose" and "Knor".
Wow!  What a start to the New Year,  I had not seen these ..



These images can all be downloaded, free of charge.



Also, by manipulating the actual image (..00xxx.pdf) number in the website
link, we can access  other secrets ..



*   See for example,

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625731/0046257
31_00280.pdf  This links to the original tithe recordal certificate for
Urney, and shows original signatures for i.a. the Rector, Rev. James Jones
and the 4 vestrymen -- William Inch (?), James Cunningham, James Woods and
David Woods.



*   And it is clearly "Galbraith Hamilton" who is one of the local
landowners, rather than "Gabbrath Hamilton" or "Gabbett Hamilton" (as
transcribed).  See especially at
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625731/0046257
31_00229.pdf




,



*   A formal heading is given to these pages at
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625731/0046257
31_00243.pdf












*   Around image 250 are a whole "set" of townland maps (just a pity
these are fragmented!)
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625731/0046257
31_00250.pdf










*   Image 245 is the townland of Urney itself

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625731/0046257
31_00245.pdf







Best regards





Dave Mitchell

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] May your 2020 have lots of green fields ....!.

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Dear Listers,

Dave’s post epitomises the philosophy of the true genealogist – the interest, 
ability and desire to assist fellow researchers achieve that seemingly almost 
impossible goal of Irish researchers – the location of the native parish and 
townland of our emigrant Irish forebears. In many instances this can only be 
achieved and interpreted by the knowledge of fellow genealogists with local 
experience and expertise.

Thank you Dave for your generous assistance towards my own research: and yes, 
Listers, Dave’s knowledge of Dutch church records located the baptisms of the 
children of a clergyman forebear in Amsterdam in the early eighteenth century. 
Such data came only through a common interest in the Strabane, Leckpatrick and 
Donagheady parishes in north Co. Tyrone. Who would have thought?

Good wishes for a Successful New Year to all Listers

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia where absolutely nothing is green in this 
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Subject: May your 2020 have lots of green fields !.

Dear fellow co. Tyrone listers.

Best wishes for 2020.

This list is something very special 

I have in front of me a copy of Earl Haslett's masterpiece "Along the River 
Foyle", kindly sent to me here in South Africa -- which includes Earl's 
generous work on a Mitchell family in Strabane and Cloghore/Greerstown and 
their moves to Canada -- and I'm ever-mindful of Len Swindley, Faye Logue and 
others "down under" and their generous help with research snippets and much 
wise advice, that helped me get started .

So to all the Co. Tyrone listers and to all who love those green fields and 
hills --  thank you for all you do and for all you share, and especially for 
sharing your passion for those "forty shades of green".

May 2020 be a wonderful year for you all.

>From a middle time zone .

David Mitchell
Cape Town
South Africa

Little Drumenny
Donagheady
Co. Tyrone


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Thanks to Len for the large file on the Hasletts (Hazletts etc.) compiled from 
six newspapers. This will be very valuable when determining which items I have, 
or do not have.
Earl Haslett
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Swindley's Haslett List

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Earl,
I had both you and your research in mind when compiling the Haslett (& 
variants) file https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/haslett2.html and am 
delighted to add to your knowledge (if that is at all possible).
All good wishes for 2020,
Len


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Thanks to Len for the large file on the Hasletts (Hazletts etc.) compiled from 
six newspapers. This will be very valuable when determining which items I have, 
or do not have.
Earl Haslett

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Personal Announcements from the Tyrone Constitution, January 12 1849

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Great to hear from you Barbara and many thanks for the accolades: I am pleased 
to contribute to the CTI mailing list and submit files to County Tyrone 
Genealogical Research https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ They  contain useful 
data for researchers and of course, am delighted that you have received 
assistance from my submissions. Many thanks for the feedback and  continued 
progress with your research.
Regards,
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Wonderful info - thanks Len for all your amazing contributions.  No ancestors 
of mine this time, but I have located them in other info that you have posted.  
Thanks so much for your great contributions!!
Barb Coulter
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Hello Listers,

I’m posting this hoping a researcher locates a forebear amongst these 
announcements,

Len Swindley

Tyrone Constitution, Omagh, January 12 1849

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Wonderful info - thanks Len for all your amazing contributions.  No ancestors 
of mine this time, but I have located them in other info that you have posted.  
Thanks so much for your great contributions!!
Barb Coulter
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Hello Listers,

I’m posting this hoping a researcher locates a forebear amongst these 
announcements,

Len Swindley

Tyrone Constitution, Omagh, January 12 1849

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Personal Announcements from the Tyrone Constitution, January 12 1849

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

I’m posting this hoping a researcher locates a forebear amongst these 
announcements,

Len Swindley

Tyrone Constitution, Omagh, January 12 1849

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Tyrone Volunteers: A List of Officers, 1805

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Yes, Mary,

The officers listed in this survey were comprised of the aristocracy, gentry 
and large and prosperous farmers. The troops would have been drawn from the 
sons of the tenantry.

Trust this helps,
Len Swindley


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Volunteers: A List of Officers, 1805

Just curious… were these men likely to be of the upper classes?

Thanks,

Mary

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Volunteers: A List of Officers, 1805

Tyrone Volunteers: A List of Officers, 
1805

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Another Thank you

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Susan! Much appreciated.

The success of your research is well illustrated in your note.

North American and UK researchers will be unaware of the wealth of data 
available to Australian family history researchers via the detailed information 
contained in civil registration and immigration records particularly in the 
former colonies of Victoria and New South Wales.

Civil registration commenced in Victoria in 1853 and 1855 in NSW; marriage and 
death certificates contain complete information (unique in the English-speaking 
world) – where born (often stating the townland AND parish), parents’ names 
(including mother’s maiden name) and occupations: a death certificate states 
similarly and includes additionally how long the deceased lived in the 
Australian colonies (which leads to shipping records), where married and at 
what age and to whom, where died, and records the names and ages  of all 
children whether living or dead; and place of burial. These are just not 
documents, but whole family trees!

A U.S. researcher made contacted off-list with the query of “what gives with 
all this Aussie stuff – we all know that the Irish came to America!”. Great 
numbers certainly did, but it is entirely possible that siblings and family 
members availed themselves of government-funded free passages to Australia. 
Data exists in the Antipodes that was never recorded in Ireland and were not 
required in North America. See the wealth of data in some of my files submitted 
to CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ This is a unique website:

See some of my submissions containing personal announcements and the essential 
data they may contain for researchers in Australia and elsewhere
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia2.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia5.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/australia3.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia7.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia6.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia11.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/buriedmarriedAustralia8.html

Congratulations on your successful research Susan and the reconnection with 
descendants of family who remained at home. I feel fortunate in saying that I 
have had a similar experience, thanks to Victorian civil registration and 
immigration records which are now available online.

All good wishes for Christmas and also for a safe, healthy and happy New Year.
Len Swindley




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I would like to add my deep appreciation to Jim Len and all contributors to the 
list.  I began my family history research back in the mid 1970's using card 
indexes at Government offices and typing letters with carbon copies!  The 
privilege that we enjoy today of having records instantly available at our 
finger tips was not imaginable in those days.  Using the lists I obtained 
information that assisted me to determine the location of my County Tyrone 
ancestors then ultimately making contact with them (after over 155 years of the 
first arrivals here) and travelling to County Tyrone and meeting over 50 
people!!! 

Susan Elliott
Melbourne Australia

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:11:34 -0700
From: Bonnie Vastag 
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
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Merry Christmas to you too, thanks so much for all of your time and dedication 
to the site. I keep searching and learn a lot. Bonnie,  AZ and WI

On Mon, Dec 16,

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thank You to Len and Jim

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Jani,

Many thanks for your kind words re. CTI; they are greatly appreciated. Sadly, 
it’s not always possible to locate data and compile and submit files that will 
contain that nugget of gold, but they do give a feeling for the social and 
economic conditions that encouraged our forebears to emigrate. Regrettably, 
many folk in Ireland lived and died without leaving any record.
Keep watching out for future new submissions and I would be delighted to hear 
of any further successes. BTW there were only two responses to Jim McKane’s 
call for feedback with research successes from data on CTI which is quite 
puzzling, so your kind comments are doubly welcome.

Best wishes for Christmas and kind regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2019 2:22 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thank You to Len and Jim

Many thanks for all your efforts!  The time and effort by you two dedicated 
souls is enormous and deeply appreciated.  Personally, I have many small 
successes from CTI, too many to recount.  While there was no dramatic crash of 
a brick wall, the slow chipping also builds a larger picture.  Thanks again!  
Oh, and welcome to K-W,  Jim :-)

Jani Carless


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Tom,

As usual I spent Saturday at the Family History Centre (purely in the pursuit 
of articles of interest to CTI subscribers) and located a record that seems 
related to your research:

LDS FHL Film 258516
Tyrone Volunteers (these were local militias) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Volunteers_(18th_century)

ARDSTRAW CAVALRY
John Chambers, Captain, enlisted October 31, 1796

Perhaps this another generation to add to your family tree?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

I would eventually like to write a “Born  ,died in Tyrone” for my 3rd great 
grandfather John Chambers (1796-1867).

I already have some good information about him.  He was a Linen Merchant, lived 
on Upper Street (now Main Street) in Newtownstewart and for a time owned and 
ran the corn mill in Milltown, just outside of Newtownstewart (thanks, Len)   
Also he married Martha Maclear, sister of Sir Thomas Maclear who was just 
commemorated for his work in astronomy.  I have found lots of information on 
their three children: Thomas, Mary Ann, and George some of which I have posted 
on this site.

1) I do not know where John was born.  I have some information to formulate a 
hunch that he came from the London area.   But nothing concrete.  There were 
Chambers in the Newtownstewart, Strabane, area I but can not find a link.
2) I do not know when or where John and Martha got married.  They were 
Presbyterian, and in fact Martha’s father was the Rev James T. Maclear.   John 
and Martha are buried in the cemetery at the top of the hill on Main Street in 
Newtownstewart.  Their first son, Thomas was born in 1821.  So, that narrows it 
down.

Any help finding these two things would be appreciated.

By the way I have never found anything that says what church the Rev James T. 
Maclear was at.   Maybe at that time it was just a meeting house?

Thanks for your help. 

Tom Chambers


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Tom,

Hope you are successful with your query to Valerie Adams; have been fortunate 
to attend two of her lectures; she headed up the church records team at PRONI 
and was always interested in gleaning the location of “unknown” and unrecorded 
records – just so knowledgeable.

Let us know of your success or otherwise; there is always new data awaiting 
discovery.
All the best,
Len

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Subject: RE: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

Len, Elwyn

Thank you so much for your time spent to track down the information I am 
looking for.
I sent an email to the Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast.  We’ll see 
what comes from it.  I will post back to CTI when I hear from them.

Tom

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Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 5:44 AM
To: Len Swindley
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List; 
Tom Chambers
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

Tom/Len,
Much obliged to Len for looking for Rev Maclear.

I would still recommend contacting the PBS in Belfast. The lady likely to deal 
with your enquiry is Valerie Adams. She’s very knowledgeable - she used to be 
the head of PRONI - and there’s not much she doesn’t know about Presbyterian 
Ministers. In addition to the main published guides Len has used, sometimes 
referred to as FASTI, she has notebooks with additional information, including 
all the various seceder branches of Presbyterianism. She might have something, 
and if she doesn’t she’ll probably be interested in him because she is trying 
to ensure there is information on every Minister who has ever had a 
congregation in Ireland. Even from very early times (ie mid 1600s) a Presbytery 
had to approve the appointment of a new Minister, and so there are pretty good 
records of most of them. But I am sure there may be small gaps.

The Rev Maclear should have had a degree, and he would almost certainly have 
obtained that in Scotland. (Presbyterians couldn’t obtain a theology degree in 
Ireland till the mid 1800s. Trinity was the only College/University in Ireland 
then and you had to be Church of Ireland to study theology there). So 
Presbyterians went to Scotland. In the 1700s and early 1800s there were 4 
universities in Scotland: St Andrews, Aberdeen, Glasgow & Edinburgh. They keep 
pretty good records of their old graduates and you could contact them to see if 
any has a record of him attending or matriculating. I have done that in the 
past with success. It’s worth noting that not everyone matriculated. There was 
an additional fee for matriculation. Some couldn’t or wouldn’t afford it and so 
just did the course, which was generally acceptable in those times. Even in 
medicine it wasn’t mandatory to pass an exam until the mid 1800s. Just having 
attended the course was considered sufficient to enable you to practice, which 
is fairly thought provoking. It was enough to have been there!


Elwyn

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 at 08:21, Len Swindley 
mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Elwyn & Tom,

Referring to “History of Congregations in the Presbyterian in Ireland 
1610-1982” (Presbyterian Historical Society , Belfast, 1982) and its separate 
index also published by the PHS & the Ulster Historical Foundation, 1996), I am 
unable to locate an entry for the Rev. Thomas T. Maclear (or variant). So then 
went to “The Seceders in Ireland with Annals of Their Congregations – Rev. 
David Stewart (Presbyterian Historical Society, 1950), and again there are no 
references to him. The Seceders joined the General Assembly in 1840 to form the 
Presbyterian Church in Ireland.

The Presbyterian Churches of Newtownstewart (2) and Ardstraw Parish (a total of 
seven) are covered in the above works, but sadly there are no references to the 
Rev. Maclear.

A point that may be of interest to researchers is that Anglicans (Church of 
Ireland) went to Church, Catholics attended the Chapel and Presbyterians 
gathered in the Meeting House.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Tom,

If you contact the Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast, they are likely 
to have records on the Rev MaClear which shou

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Chambers (1796-1867)

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Elwyn & Tom,

Referring to “History of Congregations in the Presbyterian in Ireland 
1610-1982” (Presbyterian Historical Society , Belfast, 1982) and its separate 
index also published by the PHS & the Ulster Historical Foundation, 1996), I am 
unable to locate an entry for the Rev. Thomas T. Maclear (or variant). So then 
went to “The Seceders in Ireland with Annals of Their Congregations – Rev. 
David Stewart (Presbyterian Historical Society, 1950), and again there are no 
references to him. The Seceders joined the General Assembly in 1840 to form the 
Presbyterian Church in Ireland.

The Presbyterian Churches of Newtownstewart (2) and Ardstraw Parish (a total of 
seven) are covered in the above works, but sadly there are no references to the 
Rev. Maclear.

A point that may be of interest to researchers is that Anglicans (Church of 
Ireland) went to Church, Catholics attended the Chapel and Presbyterians 
gathered in the Meeting House.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Tom,

If you contact the Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast, they are likely 
to have records on the Rev MaClear which should tell you where he served as 
Minister (as well as other information about his life).

http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com

The term “Meeting House” was how many Presbyterians described their church. It 
didn’t mean it wasn’t a church, just that they favoured that turn of phrase. 
You will often see the term Meeting House on Presbyterian marriage certificates 
in Ireland. It was normally a consecrated church.


Elwyn

On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 16:22, Tom Chambers via CoTyroneList 
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I would eventually like to write a “Born  ,died in Tyrone” for my 3rd great 
grandfather John Chambers (1796-1867).

I already have some good information about him.  He was a Linen Merchant, lived 
on Upper Street (now Main Street) in Newtownstewart and for a time owned and 
ran the corn mill in Milltown, just outside of Newtownstewart (thanks, Len)   
Also he married Martha Maclear, sister of Sir Thomas Maclear who was just 
commemorated for his work in astronomy.  I have found lots of information on 
their three children: Thomas, Mary Ann, and George some of which I have posted 
on this site.


  1.  I do not know where John was born.  I have some information to formulate 
a hunch that he came from the London area.   But nothing concrete.  There were 
Chambers in the Newtownstewart, Strabane, area I but can not find a link.
  2.  I do not know when or where John and Martha got married.  They were 
Presbyterian, and in fact Martha’s father was the Rev James T. Maclear.   John 
and Martha are buried in the cemetery at the top of the hill on Main Street in 
Newtownstewart.  Their first son, Thomas was born in 1821.  So, that narrows it 
down.

Any help finding these two things would be appreciated.

By the way I have never found anything that says what church the Rev James T. 
Maclear was at.   Maybe at that time it was just a meeting house?

Thanks for your help.

Tom Chambers

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - George Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Ron
Len

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Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780


Hi Bruce

I have done a fair amount of reading on regiments of the British army and 
particular the 100th reg of Foot. I would not assume that your ancestor was 
killed for desertion. It appears that desertion was a very common problem in 
the army with extremely high percentages of soldiers walking away from their 
duties. Depending on the situation and circumstances the sentences where quite 
mixed and seldom involving the death penalty. Often corporal punishment was the 
rule of law. I suspect if they illuminated every soldier who deserted for 
various reasons the British army would have been very much smaller.

Cheers

Ron McCoy
On 2019-12-01 3:00 a.m., Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList wrote:
This is of interest to me.

My FULTON line’s earliest ancestor is William FULTON (1736-1791) buried St 
Patrick’s Church of Ireland, Gortin and his sons Thomas (1766-1797), John 
(1783-1860), of Droit, and David (1784-1863).

I assume the George FULTON, born about 1753 who deserted in 1780 would not have 
had a long life if, or after, he was captured.

Thank you.
Bruce Newport.


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George Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 
1780

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content -George Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Bruce; delighted to offer up a possible lead with your research. Your 
next step in ascertaining George’s fate will be to consult the regimental 
records.
Again, thanks for your response,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780

This is of interest to me.
 
My FULTON line’s earliest ancestor is William FULTON (1736-1791) buried St 
Patrick’s Church of Ireland, Gortin and his sons Thomas (1766-1797), John 
(1783-1860), of Droit, and David (1784-1863).
 
I assume the George FULTON, born about 1753 who deserted in 1780 would not have 
had a long life if, or after, he was captured.
 
Thank you.
Bruce Newport.
 
 
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Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780
 
George Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780 
 
Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
 
Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe Records Donagheady Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Good afternoon Listers,

A CTI subscriber has queried me off-list as to the survival of tithe records 
for Donagheady Parish, Co. Tyrone, having read on another forum that they have 
not. Whilst the tithe applotment book has been lost, some tithe records have 
been located by Dr. William Roulston, Research Director of the Ulster 
Historical Foundation in Belfast amongst manuscripts in the National Library of 
Ireland in Dublin; he has generously given permission to publish these on CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ and may be found at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donagheadytithe.html

Many thanks to Dr. Roulston.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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[CoTyroneMailingList] The Murder of Widow McCullagh , Rooskey, Gortin, Bodoney Lower Parish, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,
An interesting newspaper report from Australia:

Extracted from the Ovens and Murray Advertiser, Beechworth, Victoria, 
Australia, April 24 1879
[cid:image001.jpg@01D5A6C3.94840050]

Death occurred at Teebane West, February 23 1879 and was registered February 25:
BRIDGET McCULLOW, widow aged 40 years; Injuries, homicide, immediate; 
information received from ROBERT McCREA, coroner, Strabane
McCullagh was commonly spelt and pronounced as McCullow in that part of Co. 
Tyrone

Hoping that this report is of interest to researchers,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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[CoTyroneMailingList] Ballymagrane Presbyterian Records: Bailey & Little Families

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Cheryl,
As Elwyn states, the surviving marriage register for Ballymagrane Presbyterian 
Church commences in 1845 (the year of commencement of civil registration of 
Protestant marriages. Did you search my file 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/ballymagrane.html; there are two 
marriages that may be relevant to your research.

Ballymagrane lies within the civil parish of Aghaloo – in the absence of church 
records, it is always useful to look further..I have transcribed and 
indexed the two surviving tithe applotment books for Aghaloo parish
1825 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/aghaloo.html
1837 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/aghaloo.html
where you will find Bailey, Bayly, Bayley and Little entries recording the 
townlands where tithe payers were residing. The preamble to the file describes 
the importance of the tithe records.

There are a further two Presbyterian churches within Aghaloo parish; Caledon 
(registers commence too late for your research) and Minterburn (baptisms comm 
1829 and marriages comm 1830.

Hopes this helps/ clarifies the situation.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Okay I thought it was odd! Thank you so much you folks are terrific!
Cheryl

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Cheryl,



The PRONI guide to church records suggests Ballymagrane Presbyterian has no 
marriage records before 1845.  Possibly your DNA contact got the information 
from some other source eg a newspaper report? I think you might need to ask.





Elwyn

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 17:39, cheryl lyttle via CoTyroneList 
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Hi folks

Looking for some help. Maybe Len?
Been searching for an ancestor and I just had a DNA connection with one.
He lists the following and perhaps due to my excitement I can’t find it

John Little marries Jane Bailey 8 April 1821
Ballymagrane Presbyterian Church

I can only find marriages from 1845.

Did I look with the wrong eye? Lol
Thank you Cheryl Lyttle

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fw: Robert Hamilton and Margaret Mallon

Marriage Robert Hamiton and Margaret Mallon


I have searched extensively for the marriage of Robert Hamilton and Margaret 
Mallon, abt 1853, likely Kilsally. as that is where their children were born. I 
would  like to know the date of marriage as well as the father of each of them.
Robert died Aug 25, 1896 and Margaret survived him. But I can't find her death 
nor do I find her on the 1901 census.
thanks for your help
Peggy
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hi-Resolution version of Griffith's 'sections' MAP?

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Regrettably, this modern map cannot be used in conjunction with that 
accompanying c1860 Griffiths Valuation of Unagh townland, Lissan parish, Co. 
Tyrone. Askaboutireland http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ offer 
the only free online maps which contain the locations of all farms within 
townlands, also lanes, hedges, wells, lanes etc. Properties are numbered and 
can be referenced using the printed Griffiths Valuation. Yes, Peggy, the maps 
will pixilate if increased to a larger size.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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'sections' MAP?

Here is a shot I took from -  
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/lissan-dungannon-upper-portion/unagh/

It seems to print clearly for me?

Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:24 PM MPGish via CoTyroneList 
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wrote:
Hi everyone.
I'm mapping the history of my family by their properties (?sections#) in 
Townlands of Unagh, Coolreaghs, etc. for a printed family history.
Does anyone know where I can get High-resolution versions of the Griffiths maps?
I've taken screen shots from the website but when i go to print them, they are 
very tiny and pixillated, not readable.
I'd like a version that prints to a full page 8.5 x 11" clearly, of a complete 
Townland, i.e. Unagh, so I can mark the dates and names on their sections.
Thanks for all suggestions!
Peggy Knipe Gish, Canada




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[CoTyroneMailingList] Marriages and Death Announcements from the Tyrone Constitution, Omagh, Co. Tyrone March 18, 1870

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

These personal notices may be helpful and/ or interesting to researchers

Tyrone Constitution, March 18 1870

[cid:image001.jpg@01D5A090.F63152A0]

Good luck with your continued researching,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Drumglass Parish (inc. Dungannon), Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland Death Announcements 1775-1850

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thanks Dorothy, am delighted that you found the Dungannon death announcements 
interesting...as you say, it’s not possible to find our forebears in 
every record, but it is useful to browse my files to become aware of the social 
and economic conditions endured by our forebears and the reasons for 
emigration. Keep on reading.
Regards,
Len

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Drumglass Parish (inc. Dungannon), Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland Death 
Announcements 1775-1850

Wow Len! What a fantastic job you’ve done here. Nothing that I can see relevant 
to me on first perusal but it all makes fascinating reading. Thanks.
Dorothy Gaunt

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Drumglass Parish (inc. Dungannon), Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland Death 
Announcements 1775-1850

Thanks again to Len Swindley for yet another HUGE addition to CTI!


Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hood and Fulton families of Newtownstewart

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Bruce,

Have you found my file on HOOD families of Newtownstewart and Strabane uploaded 
onto the CTI website?
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/hood.html

It is also worth looking at the Fulton file 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/fulton.html
and the transcribed registers of Badoney Presbyterian Church, Droit, 
Newtownstewart https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/badoney.html
and again, the burial records and headstones of St Patrick’s Church of Ireland 
(Badoney Lower parish) graveyard, Gortin 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/graveyard/gortin.html

You will find many references to various Hood and Fulton families in Ardstraw, 
Camus and Badoney Lower parishes. These records are available freely and at no 
cost to fortunate Co. Tyrone researchers.

BTW, I have no connection to any of the many Hood and Fulton families in that 
part of Co Tyrone.
I am sure it will be possible locate data relevant to your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:13:08 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com 
Cc: Bruce Newport 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hood and Fulton families of Newtownstewart

I have just joined your mailing list.

A friend sent me a copy of the COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 174, 16 
August 2015.

It referred to Elizabeth HOOD, daughter of Samuel HOOD, Main Street, 
Newtownstewart, Co Tyrone, who married John ARBERY of Ottery, St Mary, Devon, 
in Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia in 1876, posted by Len SWINDLEY.

There were further messages from Barbara VAUGHAN, K COOPER and Diana.

That Elizabeth HOOD is my 2xgreat-aunt and I have a substantial tree of her 
ancestry and extended family.

I am currently compiling trees of the HOOD families from Newtownstewart using 
genealogical records and DNA information, together with the FULTON family of 
Droit and other associated families.
I would greatly appreciate contact from anyone else related to those families.

Bruce Newport, Melbourne, Australia.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records andPomeroy Presbyterian Records

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Ron –am  delighted to hear that you are still researching.
I have transcribed and indexed the tithe applotment books for  ALL Co Tyrone 
parishes (and others in Cos Londonderry and Donegal); they are all available 
for searching at no cost on CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/
They can be found within the Taxes and Tithes menu  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/titheindex.html
Thanks for your kind comments re. the contents of CTI; it is purely a labour of 
love endeavouring to locate, transcribe and format useful and interesting 
(hopefully) data; I receive no payment. And importantly, Jim McKane never rests 
in his great efforts in maintaining the website and improving access to 
uploaded data.
Hope this helps,
Len



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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records andPomeroy 
Presbyterian Records

Hi Len
I am interested in the lists of all families in particular the McKee  and Evans 
family from Pomeroy Cavanakeeran up to and around  1838. As you have mentioned 
before records for that period are hard to come by. In the Church records 
section of Pomeroy below it mentions the Pomeroy tithe applotment book (1829)   
Index to Townlands and Towns, Parishes and Baronies in Ireland (1851) and 
Heather, Peat and Stone-O’Kane have been consulted in an attempt to confirm 
families and townland addresses. 
How does one find these records? The site I used to access Tithe and Applotment 
books from are no longer available on line. Is there a new or alternative site? 
Would the other records (Heather, peat and Stone-o'Kane) you mention help me? 
Thanks for a wonderful site and great work.
Cheers
Ron McCoy
On 2019-11-04 2:38 a.m., Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Peter,
My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.
 
My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html
and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html
churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.
 
The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.
 
Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html
 
Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

And alsolet’s not ignore the variations in the spelling of townlands 
and occasionally the insertion of incorrect fathers’ names of the contracting 
parties. If possible, it is useful to refer to the original (church) records.

Civil registration records (commencing 1845 for Protestant marriages) can be 
located in the indexes found on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ with free 
online images from c1864.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Kathleen Cooper 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:29:10 AM
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Len said:

"The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil."

And possibly with different information. My grandmother's birth was recorded as 
Bella and Isabella. A gg-uncle was recorded as William Cunningham Fulton in the 
valuations (transcribed as William Cunningham) but his birth record, if I have 
the right man!, states William Fulton. The Cunningham fits, as it is a thread 
throughout the family, but I would love to see the church record.

The more sources the better!

Kathleen





 On Sun, 03 Nov 2019 23:38:12 -0800 Len Swindley via 
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Peter,

My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.



My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html

and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html

churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.



The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.



Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html



Good luck,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy 
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Altedesert C of I

>From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; and 
>burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s transcriptions 
>mention FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff.  Does this mean the same 
>records are in two places, PRONI and local?

In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending on 
denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and burials 
before 1877 (baptisms and deaths from 1877 are well into nidirect records) 
there does not seem much point in viewing these records wherever they are, 
except for the slim chance of picking up something not registered.  Is that a 
reasonable statement?

Pomeroy Presbyterian

>From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records appear 
>to be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.

>From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities for 
>information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy Presbyterian (no 
>graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?

Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Peter,
My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.

My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html
and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html
churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.

The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.

Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html

Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy 
Presbyterian Records

Altedesert C of I

>From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; and 
>burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s transcriptions 
>mention FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff.  Does this mean the same 
>records are in two places, PRONI and local?

In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending on 
denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and burials 
before 1877 (baptisms and deaths from 1877 are well into nidirect records) 
there does not seem much point in viewing these records wherever they are, 
except for the slim chance of picking up something not registered.  Is that a 
reasonable statement?

Pomeroy Presbyterian

>From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records appear 
>to be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.

>From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities for 
>information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy Presbyterian (no 
>graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?

Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr.

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Deb,
The townlands of Ballymullarty and Lisnatunny adjoin which offers the 
possibility that 92 y.o. bridegroom Samuel Hood in 1836  may have been a 
forebear of your Thomas. So interesting,
Len


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr.

thanks for tidbits on the Hood family.  My 3rd great grandparents  Thomas (born 
1787)and Matilda Ballantine Hood(born 1794) raised 10 children in the Early 
Hill, Ballmullarty, parish of Ardstraw.  They came to the states sometime after 
1827.   Nice to see that there are still members of the Hood family(ies) in the 
area. All your efforts are appreciated.   Deb Bishop


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Yes, thanks Evelyn – I have seen it in the flesh: It is not just a shop, it is 
a classy ESTABLISHMENT.



Len



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Hood & Co still in business in Newtownstewart.  Google will bring up their 
impressive shopfront.

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Online Derryloran (Cookstown) Parish Church Baptism and Confirmation Registers

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

The Anglican Record Project of the Representative Church Body (RCB) Library, 
Dublin
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project 
continues and the Derryloran (Cookstown), Co. Tyrone registers of baptisms and 
confirmations have been transcribed and uploaded: 
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project/derryloran

DERRYLORAN PARISH REGISTERS (COOKSTOWN, CO. TYRONE)
DERRYLORAN PARISH RECORDS VOLUME 1
Baptisms – 1796–1842
Confirmations – 1824; 1828; 1833; 1837; 1840

DERRYLORAN PARISH RECORDS VOLUME 2
Baptisms – 1843–1896
Confirmations – 1843; 1846; 1849; 1852; 1856

Happy hunting and best of luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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[CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr.Hood

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Deb,

The townlands of Ballymullarty and Lisnatunny adjoin which offers the 
possibility that 92 y.o. bridegroom Samuel Hood in 1836  may have been a 
forebear of your Thomas. So interesting,

Len





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Cc: 'Len Swindley' ; 'Gordon Wilkinson' 

Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr.

thanks for tidbits on the Hood family.  My 3rd great grandparents  Thomas (born 
1787)and Matilda Ballantine Hood(born 1794) raised 10 children in the Early 
Hill, Ballmullarty, parish of Ardstraw.  They came to the states sometime after 
1827.   Nice to see that there are still members of the Hood family(ies) in the 
area. All your efforts are appreciated.   Deb Bishop


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Yes, thanks Evelyn – I have seen it in the flesh: It is not just a shop, it is 
a classy ESTABLISHMENT.



Len



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Hood & Co still in business in Newtownstewart.  Google will bring up their 
impressive shopfront.

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Online Derryloran (Cookstown), Co. Tyrone Parish Registers

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,

The Anglican Record Project of the Representative Church Body (RCB) Library, 
Dublin
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project 
continues and the Derryloran (Cookstown), Co. Tyrone registers of baptisms and 
confirmations have been transcribed and uploaded: 
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project/derryloran

DERRYLORAN PARISH REGISTERS (COOKSTOWN, CO. TYRONE)
DERRYLORAN PARISH RECORDS VOLUME 1
Baptisms – 1796–1842
Confirmations – 1824; 1828; 1833; 1837; 1840

DERRYLORAN PARISH RECORDS VOLUME 2
Baptisms – 1843–1896
Confirmations – 1843; 1846; 1849; 1852; 1856

Happy hunting and best of luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Yes, thanks Evelyn – I have seen it in the flesh: It is not just a shop, it is 
a classy ESTABLISHMENT.

Len

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Hood & Co still in business in Newtownstewart.  Google will bring up their 
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Another Remarkable Hood Event, Lisnatunny, Newtownstewart, Ardstraw Parish, Co Tyrone 1836

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello again Listers,

Here is another report of a remarkable event within the Hood family extracted 
from the Londonderry Journal:

August 2 1836
[Married] On Wednesday last, by the Rev. J. Alexander, MR. SAMUEL HOOD, of 
Lisnatony (sic), aged 92 years, to MRS HAMILTON, of same place, aged 89 years, 
their joint ages making 181 years, after a courtship of 50 years standing, and 
their off-spring, by their former marriages, consisting of children, 
grand-children and great-grand-children, amounting to 202

This is truly remarkable!
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr. Hood of Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

So that makes you a Ten Pound Pom, Gordon?

There are three possibilities which Mr Hood travelled to Glasgow on business; 
Andrew, Nathaniel & Samuel all listed as shopkeepers in the Householders in 
Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone 1833-4 
https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/newtownstewart.html

Regards,
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Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone


Quite a feat. In similar vein: when we sailed to Oz in 1948 it took 4 weeks. 
Recently a friend mentioned a cruise from here to Southampton which took 7 
weeks! (Mind you, the cruise ship went via the Cape of Good Hope and not the 
Suez Canal as we did.)

On 21/10/2019 10:39 am, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:

Hello Listers,

Have extracted the following surprising report from 1835:



December 8 1835; Londonderry Journal

Travelling Extraordinary: MR. HOOD, of Newtownstewart, left home for Glasgow, 
on Thursday morning, the 26th ult., and sailed per the “St. Columb” (from 
Londonderry); transacted business in Glasgow, and having returned by the 
“Foyle”, reached home on Saturday at 7 o’clock, PM.



This journey would have also have required coach travel between Newtownstewart 
and Londonderry and presumably the same again in Glasgow. A remarkable event.



Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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[CoTyroneMailingList] Travelling Extraordinary 1835: Mr. Hood of Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Listers,
Have extracted the following surprising report from 1835:

December 8 1835; Londonderry Journal
Travelling Extraordinary: MR. HOOD, of Newtownstewart, left home for Glasgow, 
on Thursday morning, the 26th ult., and sailed per the “St. Columb” (from 
Londonderry); transacted business in Glasgow, and having returned by the 
“Foyle”, reached home on Saturday at 7 o’clock, PM.

This journey would have also have required coach travel between Newtownstewart 
and Londonderry and presumably the same again in Glasgow. A remarkable event.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] John Stevenson

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Hello Karen,

CTI’s webmaster, Jim McKane is not a researcher, and I do not have free time to 
undertake searches for folk (life, work and transcription of documents for CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ consume my time). However, I must respond to 
your mistaken assertion that I claimed that John Stevenson had Donegal origins.

As with most Irish family research, it is essential to locate all data 
surviving at the country and port of arrival; Irish records are scant for the 
years prior to the Great Famine (1845-9). Huge numbers emigrated leaving no 
record of their lives in Ireland.

I recall assisting a Canadian researcher many years ago whose Stevenson (John) 
forebear was a builder in Strabane, but he was located in Lifford, Co. Donegal 
– across the River Foyle from the town.

Have you ascertained the estimated year of emigration of John Stevenson?

Have you searched JOHN STEVENSON and MARGARET BAIRD in the 1841 and 1851 
Canadian censuses? Have you been successful? I have no recollection of stating 
that your forebears hailed from Co. Donegal in response to your original query 
of August 2016. I did suggest you contact the historical society in Fitzroy, 
Ontario where considerable research has been undertaken on original settler 
families, several with origins in Donagheady parish in north Co. Tyrone. What 
has this produced? Also, further research has been undertaken by others which 
may be useful.

I also recall Desmond Gourley submitting an article (including names of all 
Fitzroy families with Tyrone origins extracted from the 1851 Canadian census) 
to an edition of “North Irish Roots” (NIFHS) in 1995 publicising his research 
into the numbers of Tyrone-born families within the settlement; he subsequently 
contacted me seeking data on the same folk and the possibility that they had 
Donagheady origins. Indeed many of these family names were found in the 1858 
Griffiths Valuation of Donagheady including the names Arbuckle and Towers (both 
rather rare in Ireland) and subsequently a Walker researcher confirmed that her 
forebears were also from Donagheady. Bairds and Stevensons were rather prolific 
within the parish. There appears to have been an enthusiastic emigration agent 
operating in the parish. Please refer to the online 1858 Donagheady Griffiths 
Valuation on CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/griffith/donagheady.html

Regrettably, a comprehensive tithe applotment book for Donagheady has not 
survived, but a fragment is available for viewing (again on CTI) 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donagheadytithe.html which contains both 
Stevenson and Baird entries.

Have just taken a look at the online 1851 Canadian census 
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1851/Pages/1851.aspx and found the family 
of John Stevenson and Margaret Baird, although she stated at that time that she 
was a native of Co. Tyrone which is at odds with your assertion that she was 
born in Londonderry (considering the close proximity, I am prepared to accept 
that she is the same person). I note that their neighbours were Kilgores, 
another name recorded in the parish (four entries).

John Stevenson stated that his family were member of the Church of England; the 
Donagheady Parish registers (Church of Ireland) have survived (with quite some 
gaps) and have been microfilmed by the staff of the Public Records Office of 
Ireland (PRONI), Belfast, where they may be consulted. Until very fairly 
recently these records (and many others relevant to Donagheady and Leckpatrick 
parishes) were available online via the Bready Ancestry website, but 
astonishingly, website has shut down; Jim McKane has attempted to ascertain the 
survival and future availability of this data but has been met with silence.

C.I. DONAGHEADY (DERRY DIOCESE) Baptisms, 1697-1723, 1753-65, 1818-19 and 
1826-74; marriages, 1697-1726, 1754-64 and 1826-44; marriage licences, 1817 and 
1829-53; burials, 1698-1726, 1754-57 and 1826-89; vestry minutes, 1697-1723 and 
17541919; accounts, 1829-1922; confirmation lists, 1872,1875, 1877, 1880, 1883 
and 1886
My response has become quite a document, which was not my intention, but as I 
progressed, it became obvious that there is data available, albeit in various 
forms and locations. Again, I suggest that you consult the historical society 
in Fitzroy and enquire the extent of further research into pioneer families. 
Good luck, Karen.

Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Dear Jim

I can’t find any info on my 3X’s Great Grandfather.  Years ago Len thought he 
was from Donegal.  His wife, Margaret Baird was from Londonderry.  

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Wright Family

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Katie,
Dennis has been a regular contributor to CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ 
His several files of biographies and wills relating to William, James and 
Andrew are:
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/wills/williamwright.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/biographies/wright_andrew.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/BornTyroneDiedUSA.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/biographies/wright_james.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/wills/williamwright.html

Thank you Dennis.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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I hope this info will be added to the Ardboe/Arboe material in the Tyrone list.

Katie Green

On Oct 16, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Dennis Wright via CoTyroneList 
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I am researching my Wright Family from Ballynafeagh, Ardboe, County Tyrone.  My 
3X Great Grandfather was William Wright Who is listed in PRONI’s pre 1858 Wills 
and Admins as dying in 1814 in Ballynafeagh.  My 2X great Grandparents were 
William and Martha Wright Who also lived in Ballynafeagh.  William was listed 
in the 1826 Tithe Applotment book and Martha in the 1860’s Griffiths Valuation 
Book.  I have fully documented William and Martha’s Children and their families.

I would like to know if anyone as researched any other Wright Families in this 
area in the early 1800’s.

Dennis Wright
Las Vegas
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[CoTyroneMailingList] McCulloch/ McCullagh Research in Co. Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

You were indeed fortunate to locate your McCullaghs Gordon.

To put some perspective into researching these families, I must cite Bodoney 
Lower parish as rather typical of the problem encountered by researchers.

There are in excess of ninety McCullagh households recorded in c1860 Griffiths 
Valuation in Bodoney Lower and interestingly, these same families are recorded 
as McCULLOW in the 1830 tithe applotment book. Now here is the crunch: the 
Bodoney Lower Catholic registers (baptisms and marriages) commence rather late 
– in 1865! So, that leave us with the possibility of hundreds of unrecorded 
events in just one parish – folk could have been born and died and/ or 
emigrated leaving absolutely no record of the parish of their birth. This is an 
example of the situation encountered in a single parish with the possibility of 
something similar in many of the other forty-two parishes in Co. Tyrone.

Trusting that the subscribers to CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ find this 
useful and interesting.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Yes, Len, there are lots of McCulloch/McCullough/McCullagh/... in the area. My 
McCullagh's come from near Portadown in Armagh. A stone's throw away from 
Tyrone. I've even found their farm-land, thanks to Mr Griffith. Gordon

On 1/10/2019 7:53 pm, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Cheryl,

There is really no way of locating your forebear Mary McCulloch; As previously 
advised, there are just too many McCullochs (and variants) and your information 
is scanty – parents’ name unknown which makes research impossible. There are 
forty-three parishes in Co. Tyrone and without the knowledge of the church and 
religious denomination there is little prospect of success. There are very few 
indexed registers for Tyrone churches and they are held at the Public Record 
Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Belfast.
There are many partial transcriptions of church registers on CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ which you are most welcome to peruse.

Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Hello Jim,
This Cheryl Humphreys I get all of the emails that you send
I sent a email before asking about Mary McCulloch born about 1829 or 1830 on 
county Tyrone but you said there was to many, is there another way that I can 
try to find her birth or her parents names.
Thank you
Cheryl Humphreys  cheryl30...@gmail.com<mailto:cheryl30...@gmail.com>

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not receiving the emails.

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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Cheryl,

There is really no way of locating your forebear Mary McCulloch; As previously 
advised, there are just too many McCullochs (and variants) and your information 
is scanty – parents’ name unknown which makes research impossible. There are 
forty-three parishes in Co. Tyrone and without the knowledge of the church and 
religious denomination there is little prospect of success. There are very few 
indexed registers for Tyrone churches and they are held at the Public Record 
Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Belfast.
There are many partial transcriptions of church registers on CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ which you are most welcome to peruse.

Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Hello Jim,
This Cheryl Humphreys I get all of the emails that you send
I sent a email before asking about Mary McCulloch born about 1829 or 1830 on 
county Tyrone but you said there was to many, is there another way that I can 
try to find her birth or her parents names.
Thank you
Cheryl Humphreys  cheryl30...@gmail.com

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - MoySchool, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone, Examination Results 1808

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Dorothy,

What is the family name of your Clonfeacle forebears? What was their religious 
denomination? Have you found them in the Clonfeacle Tithe Applotment Book and 
Griffiths Valuation? What have you located using civil registration records? 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Had any families remained to be included in the 1901 and 1911 census? It is 
most useful to record those that remained at home.  Regards,
Len Swindley

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
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Mine too Gordon.  ☹
Thanks anyway, Len.
Dorothy G


Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Moy 
School, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone, Examination Results 1808

Thanks, Len. However, although my ancestors came from the area, I don't see any 
of their names :-(. All brawn and no brains. Gordon  
On 23/09/2019 8:34 am, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
Moy School, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone, Examination Results 1808 

Another great file thanks to Len Swindley!!


Jim McKane!

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Landowners of One Acre or More in Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1876

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello John,

Thanks for your query and have to say that I am delighted that a researcher has 
located a potentially useful file.

Referring back to the original printing of the 1876 work (presented to the 
Parliament at Westminster) I am unable to locate any references to Barnwell/ 
Barnhill and Lyons (save for a single Lyons entry in Donagheady parish of a 
family who had resided there since the days of the Plantation). Only owners of 
land are recorded, not tenants or occupiers; perhaps the unnamed Lyons 
purchased leases from the landed proprietor?

You have not quoted any names, locations/ townlands or dates so I am feeling 
challenged as to how assist your research may be assisted offers avenues that 
may be useful.

If you have been successful in locating the family/ families in Griffiths 
Valuation you should refer to the Revision Books available online on the PRONI 
website

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books for 
dates and changes in occupancy.

Have you referred to the online wills calendars also on the PRONI website? 
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx which may be 
useful. I hope so.

Trusting that the above offers some further possible research; it’s the best I 
can do for you.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:09:29 AM
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Cc: JOHN LYONS 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
Landowners of One Acre or More in Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1876

Jim

As you may have gathered by now my computer skills are very basic.

Do my mails appear to all members, as seems the case, when I receive quite a 
few mails with information nothing to do with me.

I have read the recent mail concerning landowners in Tyrone.
During my research some time ago before we lost our website for reasons 
previously explained I discovered my gggrandfather and his wife had acquired a 
farm and were able to buy others for their 6 sons. All were along the Strule 
river valley. My gggrandmother was Barnwell but we never discovered her first 
name. She had inherited funds from her unmarried brother who had done well from 
his medical practice but died young
I had assumed they had purchased the land but perhaps they remained tenants of 
the land and just owned the farm on it.
Their name Lyons does not appear on the landowners list recently sent.

It seems I will have to try to find the Griffiths pages relating to my family 
to establish if they were tenants as Les Swindlay's research seems to indicate.

John Lyons

On Friday, 27 September 2019, 10:37:41 BST, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
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Landowners of One Acre or More in Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 
1876 - UPDATED

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
NEW ADDRESS as of 8 Oct 2019
29 Woodfield Street, Kitchener N2P 2S8
Telephone 226-666-0500
NOTE - not sold yet, just moving!!
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[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Great to learn of your visit to Co. Tyrone, Pat. For the interest of the 
Listers, the Ogilby house (Altnachree Castle), Lisnacloon and Moneycannon are 
close by the village of Donemana in Donagheady parish which lies in the very 
north of the county bordering Co. Londonderry.
Is there a possibility of any photos for Jim to put up on CTI? 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ Donagheady is a very beautiful part of the 
north of Ireland.
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Jim,
I have just been to Co Tyrone😄 saw the Oglisby house in the middle of the cow 
pasture plus the post office in Liscloon. I found Moneycannon Rd where my 
grandparents, Alex and Mary McLaughin came from. I have really nothing on them. 
Alex must have died in Ireland but Mary came to US with daughter and died in 
early 1900’s.  I’ll start again when I get home. Pat

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On Sep 26, 2019, at 00:27, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
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Hi Members - I, along with our Hosting company, solved a problem with the 
Mailing List a few days ago. However, the last 3 days has been unusually quiet 
with only one new message.

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otherwise please do not respond to this email.

Thanks for your support and cooperation,
Jim

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Dungannon Quarter Sessions, Co. Tyrone, January 1845

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thanks for your message Dorothy and many thanks for your thanks.
I hope you have not been thinking  that I have been ignoring Clonfeacle parish? 
Far from it.

My Clonfeacle submissions to CTI include

https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/benburbpres.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/clonfeacle.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/australia.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/t-a-clonfeacle.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/gorestown.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/clonfeacle.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/t-a-clonfeacle.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/famine/moy.html
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/clonfeacle1669.html

and I am hoping that you have missed none; there may also be further files 
amongst the menu. There are 43 parishes in Co. Tyrone, and sadly, not all of 
them have a surfeit of pre1860 surviving records. However, I’ll keep looking 
for anything interesting  relating to old Clonfeacle.
All the best,
Len

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Dungannon Quarter Sessions, Co. Tyrone, January 1845

At last! Something from Clonfeacle! (Not mine of course 😊). Thanks Len.
Dorothy, NZ

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Dungannon Quarter Sessions, Co. Tyrone, January 
1845

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
NEW ADDRESS as of 8 Oct 2019
29 Woodfield Street, Kitchener N2P 2S8
Telephone 226-666-0500
N.B. - not sold yet, just moving!!
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello again, Reba,

A search of Clogherny Presbyterian marriages 1845-70 at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/
 https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/clogherney.html
will bring up several further Fulton and Crawford records
Also the 1826 tithe applotment bookmany Fultons and several Crawfords 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/clogherny.html


Len Swindley

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From: Reba Schweitzer
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2019 8:37 AM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: RE: Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone 

Thanks for your help.

Reba

From: Len Swindley
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Reba Schweitzer
Subject: RE: Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone 

Reba,

As given on both marriage certificates, Osnagh is located in Clogherney parish; 
it was spelt phonetically (with a thick Ulster brogue) but the official 
spelling is Usnagh. It is a townland (not a town) within a mile of Beragh. 
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/east-omagh/usnagh/

Without some experience, it will be a hard task for you to move forward with 
your research and I recommend you become familiar with the cotyroneireland 
website https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ - it is a unique county site within 
Ireland. Perhaps you belong to a group of Irish researchers who could offer 
support and assistance.? That would be invaluable.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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From: Reba Schweitzer
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2019 6:40 AM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: RE: Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone 

I  don’t have very much experience in researching in Ireland so any help you 
can give to me is very much appreciated.  Could you please tell me where Osnagh 
is.

Thanks,

Reba

From: Len Swindley
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 5:36 AM
To: desert_7...@yahoo.com; James McKane
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone 

Reba,

Jim McKane has forwarded your off-list enquiry which I will respond to via the 
Mailing List as the contents may be useful to another Fulton researcher looking 
for records in Clogherney parish..

Civil registration of Protestant marriages commenced in 1845; registration of 
Catholic marriages and ALL births and deaths was introduced in 1864.
It will be possible to obtain copies of the marriage certificates you require: 
I assume you found the records below in my files on 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/

The reference to Osnagh is correct; to be successful in Irish genealogy it is 
vital to have an understanding of geography; knowledge of the parish and native 
townland is all-important – parish and townland maps for all Co. Tyrone 
parishes can be found on CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/maps.html

To purchase copies of the original entries go to 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ and click the civil registration and follow 
the prompts; it will be necessary to register.

EDENDERRY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/edenderry.html

#12
December 20 1849
MATHEW FULTON full age bachelor farmer Osnagh, Parish of Clogherny. Father: 
HENERY FULTON (deceased)
&
MARTHA HARVEY full age maiden spinster Diverney, Parish of Cappagh. Father: 
ALEXR. HARVEY (deceased)
Witnesses: JOHN McDONNEL & ALEXANDER HARVEY
SIXMILECROSS PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/sixmilecrosspres.html

#50
July 27 1857
MATTHEW FULTON full age widower farmer Osnagh, Parish of Clogherney. Father: 
HENRY FULTON farmer
&
ISABELLA CRAWFORD full age spinster Osnagh, Parish of Clogherney. Father: JOHN 
CRAWFORD farmer
Witnesses: JOHN DONALD & ROBERT CRAWFORD
It will not be possible to obtain a record of the death of Martha Fulton (nee 
Harvey) as I have stated, this occurred prior to 1864. Again, a similar 
situation for any pre-1864 births. Also, an added problem is that the pre 1900 
Sixmilecross Presb. records were destroyed in a fire.

Trust this is helpful?
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: James McKane
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2019 6:18 AM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: Fwd: CTI Contact Page Query

Len - I think you can answer these better than I.

Thanks
JIm

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

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From: Reba Schweitzer 
Date: Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:09 AM
Subject: CTI Contact Page Query
To: jamck...@gmail.com 

Hi
My name is Reba Schweitzer.  I live in Queen Creek, Arizona, USA.  I am 
researching the Smyth/Smith and Fulton families in County Tyrone in Northern 
Ireland.  Your website is a great help owing that I find  researching Irish 
ancestry is very difficult for me.  
I have a couple of questions:
1. In marriages #50  July 27, 1857 for MATTHEW FULTON and ISABELLA CRAWFORD is 
perhaps the parish name Omagh instead of Osnagh?  Is it possible to obtain a 
copy of this actual record?
2. On the GRONI website all of their records seem to start at 1864.  I need 
documentation prior t

[CoTyroneMailingList] Fulton, Osnagh, Clogherney Parish, Co Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

 Reba,

Jim McKane has forwarded your off-list enquiry which I will respond to via the 
Mailing List as the contents may be useful to another Fulton researcher looking 
for records in Clogherney parish..

Civil registration of Protestant marriages commenced in 1845; registration of 
Catholic marriages and ALL births and deaths was introduced in 1864.
It will be possible to obtain copies of the marriage certificates you require: 
I assume you found the records below in my files on 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/

The reference to Osnagh is correct; to be successful in Irish genealogy it is 
vital to have an understanding of geography; knowledge of the parish and native 
townland is all-important – parish and townland maps for all Co. Tyrone 
parishes can be found on CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/maps.html

To purchase copies of the original entries go to 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ and click the civil registration and follow 
the prompts; it will be necessary to register.

EDENDERRY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/edenderry.html

#12
December 20 1849
MATHEW FULTON full age bachelor farmer Osnagh, Parish of Clogherny. Father: 
HENERY FULTON (deceased)
&
MARTHA HARVEY full age maiden spinster Diverney, Parish of Cappagh. Father: 
ALEXR. HARVEY (deceased)
Witnesses: JOHN McDONNEL & ALEXANDER HARVEY
SIXMILECROSS PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/sixmilecrosspres.html

#50
July 27 1857
MATTHEW FULTON full age widower farmer Osnagh, Parish of Clogherney. Father: 
HENRY FULTON farmer
&
ISABELLA CRAWFORD full age spinster Osnagh, Parish of Clogherney. Father: JOHN 
CRAWFORD farmer
Witnesses: JOHN DONALD & ROBERT CRAWFORD
It will not be possible to obtain a record of the death of Martha Fulton (nee 
Harvey) as I have stated, this occurred prior to 1864. Again, a similar 
situation for any pre-1864 births. Also, an added problem is that the pre 1900 
Sixmilecross Presb. records were destroyed in a fire.

Trust this is helpful?
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: James McKane
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2019 6:18 AM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: Fwd: CTI Contact Page Query

Len - I think you can answer these better than I.

Thanks
JIm

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

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From: Reba Schweitzer 
Date: Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:09 AM
Subject: CTI Contact Page Query
To: jamck...@gmail.com 

Hi
My name is Reba Schweitzer.  I live in Queen Creek, Arizona, USA.  I am 
researching the Smyth/Smith and Fulton families in County Tyrone in Northern 
Ireland.  Your website is a great help owing that I find  researching Irish 
ancestry is very difficult for me.  
I have a couple of questions:
1. In marriages #50  July 27, 1857 for MATTHEW FULTON and ISABELLA CRAWFORD is 
perhaps the parish name Omagh instead of Osnagh?  Is it possible to obtain a 
copy of this actual record?
2. On the GRONI website all of their records seem to start at 1864.  I need 
documentation prior to 1864.  Are birth and death records available?  Who would 
I contact to get these records?  I would like to have a record of Matthew 
Fulton’s  prior marriage including her name,  a record of her death and any 
records of their children.  I am hoping that this Matthew Fulton is the father 
of Henry Fulton born 21 Mar 1853.  
Thanks so much for any help you can give to me.
Reba
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Mary Ann Burrows

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Donna,



You have not shared with the List the name of your great-grandmother Burrows. 
However, if her birth was prior to 1864 (the commencement of civil registration 
of births in Ireland), it will not be possible to obtain a birth certificate.  
Therefore, it may be useful to follow up on sister Elizabeth; was she older or 
younger?

There is a birth registration https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

of an Elizabeth Burrows in Dungannon registration district In 1868; parents 
John Burrows and Mary Jane (nee Browne) of Cabragh [Killeeshil parish]

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03433/2260098.pdf



[cid:image001.jpg@01D5642A.DDBA0F20]



You can easily download a image. This may be useful/ interesting?
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Mary Ann Burrows

I have spent much time trying to find my gr grandmother’s birth place. On all 
documents it only states that her dad was John Burrows and she was born in 
Tyrone around 1862. She had a sister Elizabeth Burrows Gass. She married my gr. 
grandfather William James Campbell in Belfast in 1888. Any ideas how to find 
this Burrows family?
Thanks,
Donna Campbell
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in Omagh 1742-1792

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hope you found the data useful Sue?
Appointments are not necessary at either PRONI or the Mellon Library. I 
wouldn’t be considering any further archives as what you are hoping to locate 
is most unlikely to have survived (or may just never have been recorded): PRONI 
is excellent for their eighteenth century holdings and a visit to the 
Ulster-American Folk Park, Castletown, Omagh, is essential to gain a feel for 
life in old Tyrone.
I have enjoyed six week-long forays in PRONI; great experiences.

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From: Sue Worachek 
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 4:18:18 PM
To: Pat 
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List ; Len 
Swindley 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in 
Omagh 1742-1792

To which places must I make appointments? I am planning on going to PRONI and 
the Mellon Center.  I don’t think either of them require a reservation, correct?

Is there any place else that I should consider?

Thanks,
Sue

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On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:19 AM, Pat mailto:c...@att.net>> wrote:

I just want to shout a great big Thank You to Len and all those would support 
Co Tyrone. This site is helping me to understand research here. I am use to 
walking into the National Archives and doing my research. Ireland is so 
different as you must make appointments ahead of time. I love this site. Thanks 
again. Pay

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On Sep 1, 2019, at 18:35, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Sue,

My thoughts are that you should be looking at which church records have 
survived for congregations in and about Omagh from the mid eighteenth century. 
Sadly, this is a very big ask in Ireland. The town of Omagh lies within 
Drumragh parish, although Cappagh parish lies to the very north of the town

All early church records have been filmed by the staff of PRONI and lists may 
be found in their online catalogue
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records

Things do not look very positive if you refer to the below: this is the best 
you can do owing to the very rushed nature of your query. Good luck with your 
search – it may be possible to locate family members who remained at home.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

DRUMRAGH PARISH
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CAPPAGH PARISH

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Cc: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hanlin/Presbyterian/Protestant churches in Omagh 1742-1792

Does anyone know what churches were in existence in Omagh, County Tyrone from 
1742-1792? We will be in Omagh in 4 days and I will be at PRONI trying to find 
more info on Alexander Hanlin who was born there in 1743, married Nancy Stewart 
(also from Omagh) and died in 1791. She left in 1792 with her children for 
America. Please help me with any clues of where to find more information.

Thanks,
Sue
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On Aug 31, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Good luck with that Peggy and yes, these images are available via the LDS. It 
is useful to look at the acreage of the holdings; if they are of a similar 
size, it indicates that the original farm was divided indicating those recorded 
as possibly father and/or sons/ brothers; this will be confirmed if the 
properties adjoin.

Len

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Good luck with that Peggy and yes, these images are available via the LDS. It 
is useful to look at the acreage of the holdings; if they are of a similar 
size, it indicates that the original farm was divided indicating those recorded 
as possibly father and/or sons/ brothers; this will be confirmed if the 
properties adjoin.

Len

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From: Peggy Gordon 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:49:55 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing List ; Len 
Swindley 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally


Thank you Len for this information and especially for the film number. When I 
tried to locate the records on Family Search under the Ireland Tithe Applotment 
Book, the correct Duffins did not come up. When I used the film number, I found 
the correct collection, however, I have to go to the nearest Family History 
Centre to view them, which isn't open until Tuesday. Online, you just see blank 
images.
Peggy
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 06:18:45 a.m. PDT, Len Swindley 
 wrote:



Hello Peggy,



The 1826 Ballyclog Tithe Applotment Book was filmed by the LDS back in the 
1970s. The film has been digitised and is available for consultation online at 
any Family History Centre or affiliated library. The Familysearch film number 
is 258446; it is the first item on the film which makes searching quite simple. 
A tithe book will not indicate the length of a lease: that information would be 
recorded in the estate’s lease books. You could refer to online c1860 Griffiths 
Valuation and continue with the online Revision Books 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books

Good luck.



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 8:29:26 PM
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally

I have found the names of four Duffin males on the Tithe Applotment indices 
list for Kilsally Townland, Ballyclog Parish in 1826. They are James, Mark, 
David, and Patrick and all four names appear on my family tree. Is there a way 
to find out exactly which piece of land each of them owned or leased? I would 
like to know the location and the size of the land.  Is there a way to find out 
how long each of them was on their piece of land?
Thanks for your help.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Peggy,

The 1826 Ballyclog Tithe Applotment Book was filmed by the LDS back in the 
1970s. The film has been digitised and is available for consultation online at 
any Family History Centre or affiliated library. The Familysearch film number 
is 258446; it is the first item on the film which makes searching quite simple. 
A tithe book will not indicate the length of a lease: that information would be 
recorded in the estate’s lease books. You could refer to online c1860 Griffiths 
Valuation and continue with the online Revision Books 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books
Good luck.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tithe applotment indices list Kilsally

I have found the names of four Duffin males on the Tithe Applotment indices 
list for Kilsally Townland, Ballyclog Parish in 1826. They are James, Mark, 
David, and Patrick and all four names appear on my family tree. Is there a way 
to find out exactly which piece of land each of them owned or leased? I would 
like to know the location and the size of the land.  Is there a way to find out 
how long each of them was on their piece of land?
Thanks for your help.
Peggy


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dr. John Rutledge

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Thanks Dawn. Much luck and good fortune with your research; you will enjoy the 
Ulster American Folk Park and the beautiful countryside. For maximum benefit, 
It is most important to undertake research prior to departing on your trip.
Regards,
Len Swindley

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From: Dawn Ritch
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 1:17 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dr. John Rutledge

That is helpful!  Thank you!  I am a beginner at this, but always found it 
interesting.  Now, I want to find more.  My great uncle, John David Rutledge, 
did alot of the research, and found out so much!   Unfortunately, he passed 
away 2 years ago, and I do not know where all his research ended up.  I have a 
missing link between one or two generations to John and Edward Rutledge, who 
signed the Constitution.  But their father, Dr John Rutledge, is the one from 
Ireland.  And I can get the Rutledge name, or the variances of the name, back 
from him.  But I am finding the Irish and Scottish research so interesting!  
And since I will be going there, I really want to dig into it!  So I greatly 
appreciate your help!

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On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 8:22 PM, Len Swindley
 wrote:

Am not sure you are going to be very successful in your search Dawn. Many U.S. 
researchers have some idea of the lives of their emigrant Irish forebear in 
America, but nothing prior.

Looking at Google entries for Dr. John Rutledge it is claimed that he was born 
c1713 at Longford, Co. Tyrone; however there is no such location in Co. Tyrone. 
Perhaps his place of residence prior to emigration was Langfield (later changed 
to Longfield) in the Castlederg, Newtownstewart, Drumquin, Omagh area? There 
are no records surviving from that very early period that would confirm any 
family or date of birth. Later nineteenth century records indicate that the 
Rutledges were Presbyterians. The Google entry I located states that his father 
was an esquire; a landowner and qualified to sit on the bench. This title would 
not have been bestowed upon a Presbyterian as they were subject to both the 
Penal Laws and the Test Act where they were forbidden to hold any public office 
or sit as magistrates. Presbyterian congregations generally, kept no registers 
until the late 1820s

It must be remembered that prior to the Famine (1849-50) it was mainly 
Protestants, particularly Presbyterians who emigrated to North America. 
Generally, it was the younger sons of tenant farmers who sought political and 
religious freedom and hopes of fortune in the American colonies. It is 
estimated that 270,000 Presbyterians emigrated to North America c1720-1775. 
Vast numbers who left no records in Ireland.

For some flavour of the times during John Rutherford’s life in Ireland, I 
thoroughly recommend the Ulster-American Folk Park at Castletown, Omagh with 
the attached Mellon Centre for Migration Studies. If you are visiting Belfast, 
a visit to the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Titanic 
Quarter, is essential

Trust this is useful,

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dr. John Rutledge

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Am not sure you are going to be very successful in your search Dawn. Many U.S. 
researchers have some idea of the lives of their emigrant Irish forebear in 
America, but nothing prior.
Looking at Google entries for Dr. John Rutledge it is claimed that he was born 
c1713 at Longford, Co. Tyrone; however there is no such location in Co. Tyrone. 
Perhaps his place of residence prior to emigration was Langfield (later changed 
to Longfield) in the Castlederg, Newtownstewart, Drumquin, Omagh area? There 
are no records surviving from that very early period that would confirm any 
family or date of birth. Later nineteenth century records indicate that the 
Rutledges were Presbyterians. The Google entry I located states that his father 
was an esquire; a landowner and qualified to sit on the bench. This title would 
not have been bestowed upon a Presbyterian as they were subject to both the 
Penal Laws and the Test Act where they were forbidden to hold any public office 
or sit as magistrates. Presbyterian congregations generally, kept no registers 
until the late 1820s
It must be remembered that prior to the Famine (1849-50) it was mainly 
Protestants, particularly Presbyterians who emigrated to North America. 
Generally, it was the younger sons of tenant farmers who sought political and 
religious freedom and hopes of fortune in the American colonies. It is 
estimated that 270,000 Presbyterians emigrated to North America c1720-1775. 
Vast numbers who left no records in Ireland.
For some flavour of the times during John Rutherford’s life in Ireland, I 
thoroughly recommend the Ulster-American Folk Park at Castletown, Omagh with 
the attached Mellon Centre for Migration Studies. If you are visiting Belfast, 
a visit to the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Titanic 
Quarter, is essential
Trust this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Dawn Ritch via CoTyroneList
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 12:35 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Dawn Ritch
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dr. John Rutledge

Thank you for replying!  And, yes, I was referring to the Dr. John Rutledge 
that was in County Tyrone.  I have found out alot about him on Google.  And I 
would like to find out more.  I will be traveling to Ireland next year and 
would like to know where I could find out more.  The general area where he 
lived in the county, what I should visit to do more research, etc. I have 
traced the family back into Scotland, but I won't be able to go there.  So 
that's why my interest is in county Tyrone.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Geneology

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Dawn,

It is imperative you offer some dates; i.e.DOB and DOD. Did Dr. John Rutledge 
emigrate and to where?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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I am trying to trace my heritage.  I believe that Dr. John Rutledge was an 
ancestor.  I would like to find out more.  
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thanks/ Ogilby Estate, Lisnacloon, Donemana, , Co Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

I would be looking at Clondermot parish, Co. Londonderry (contiguous to 
Donagheady)for the origins of both the Taggarts and McKeevers, Pat: there are 
several recorded in Griffiths Valuation c1860 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Am unable to offer any further thoughts. Good luck

Len

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From: Pat
Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 10:13 PM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thanks/ Ogilby Estate, Lisnacloon, 
Donemana,, Co Tyrone

Thanks Len. The Validation is where I found Francis as he was the only Taggart 
in Co Tyrone. Also my Alex McKeever. I know Francis left the Ogilbys estate in 
1877 not sure what he and family did but they immigrated in 1880 to US. My 
timeline I’m working on is where were they before the estate? Taggart is 
Scot/Irish so when did they come from Scotland? I’m not a trained genealogist 
and sometimes I just fumble around 😁. This group has given me so much help. I’m 
not sure if the Sarah Taggart is my branch as everything I have doesn’t list 
her as a child of Francis Taggart and Mary Brisland. I’ll keep looking into 
this. Thanks again for all the leads. Pat
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On Aug 20, 2019, at 05:55, Len Swindley 
mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Pat,

There are very few surviving records for this estate. Looking at Griffiths 
Valuation for Donagheady (1858), there are many labourers’ cottages within both 
Lisnacloon Upper and Lower and none of them of great value; most likely 
consisting of two rooms, constructed of mud and stone with straw (not thatched) 
roofs.

Referring to William Roulston’s “Three Centuriees of Life in a Tyrone Parish: A 
History of Donagheady from 1600 to 1900” (2010) available as an ebook 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?detailrecid=15 there is a deal 
of information covering the Lisnacloon estate. During the Famine, William 
Ogilby  undertook works projects offering employment to large numbers of the 
destitute and starving. In a letter of 1848 he claimed he was “daily employing 
300 to 400 hands representing probably from 1,500 to 2,000 human beings who 
would otherwise have starved or been thrown on the rates [workhouse], so that 
if I  do myself future good, I am conferring a great private benefit to the 
county”. Life was certainly tough in the bad old days. None of the 300-400 
labourers would have held a lease on their humble residences: they were merely 
day labourers occupying one of the estate cottages “at will”.

The estate found itself in considerable financial difficulties in the 1870s and 
went to sale 1901-04. Rachel Dysart generously transcribed the sale papers some 
years ago and contributed a file to CTI  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/index.html You can locate it at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/ogilby2.html CTI is a great website!

Regards,
LEN Swindley, Melbourne, Australia







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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thanks/ Ogilby Estate, Lisnacloon, Donemana, , Co Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Pat,

There are very few surviving records for this estate. Looking at Griffiths 
Valuation for Donagheady (1858), there are many labourers’ cottages within both 
Lisnacloon Upper and Lower and none of them of great value; most likely 
consisting of two rooms, constructed of mud and stone with straw (not thatched) 
roofs.

Referring to William Roulston’s “Three Centuriees of Life in a Tyrone Parish: A 
History of Donagheady from 1600 to 1900” (2010) available as an ebook 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?detailrecid=15 there is a deal 
of information covering the Lisnacloon estate. During the Famine, William 
Ogilby  undertook works projects offering employment to large numbers of the 
destitute and starving. In a letter of 1848 he claimed he was “daily employing 
300 to 400 hands representing probably from 1,500 to 2,000 human beings who 
would otherwise have starved or been thrown on the rates [workhouse], so that 
if I  do myself future good, I am conferring a great private benefit to the 
county”. Life was certainly tough in the bad old days. None of the 300-400 
labourers would have held a lease on their humble residences: they were merely 
day labourers occupying one of the estate cottages “at will”.

The estate found itself in considerable financial difficulties in the 1870s and 
went to sale 1901-04. Rachel Dysart generously transcribed the sale papers some 
years ago and contributed a file to CTI  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/index.html You can locate it at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/ogilby2.html CTI is a great website!

Regards,
LEN Swindley, Melbourne, Australia






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Thanks, I’ll try it. Pat
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On Aug 19, 2019, at 16:29, Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
I vaguely recall that an Donagheady Parish researcher was trying to track down 
the Ogilby Estate records and had some luck - my fading memory thinks there 
were in London or somewhere in England.  I believe her name was Teena and her 
last email address was ivorie-samh...@shaw.ca.
Peter
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Taggart/McKeever: Donagheady Parish Presbyterian Records

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello All,
We are enjoying Elwyn’s contributions to CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ 
and heartily thank him for his time, interest and expertise in attending to 
subscribers’ queries. Many thanks Elwyn.

Re. Pat’s query concerning Presbyterian records for Donagheady Parish: there is 
a a very large collection of transcribed registers and other records covering 
the three Presbyterian congregations within the parish on this website: First 
Donagheady, Second Donagheady, Donemana and additionally Bready Reformed 
Presbyterian Church. The Presbyterian population in the parish was large where 
they held an absolute majority. Donagheady Presbyterian records available 
freely online via CTI are:

FIRST DONAGHEADY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
First Donagheady Presbyterian Marriages 1845-1928
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/1st-Donagheady-Presbyterian-Church-Marriages-1845-1928.html
First Donagheady Presbyterian Financial Statement 1857
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady1.html
Opening of New First Donagheady Presbyterian Church 1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady3.htm
First Donagheady Presbyterian Financial Statement 1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2.html

SECOND DONAGHEADY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Baptisms 1838-1901
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donagheady2.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Marriages 1838-45
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheadymar1838-45.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Marriages 1845-1926
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheadymar1845+.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Elders & Dates of Ordination 1744-1903
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2nd.html
Second Presbyterian Church Opening of New Church 1856
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2nd5.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Financial Statement 1863
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2nd2.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Financial Statement 1866
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2nd3.html
Second Donagheady Presbyterian Financial Statement 1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheady2nd4.html
Donagheady Presbyterian Ruling Elders and Commissioners 1620-1700
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donagheadyelders.html
Donagheady Presbyterian Churches: A Brief History and Photos
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churches/donagheadypresbyterian.html

DONEMANA PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
Donemana Presbyterian Baptisms 1861-89
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donemanapresbreg.html
Donemana Presbyterian Marriages 1845-1926
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donemana.html
Donemana Presbyterian Miscellaneous Records
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donemana.html
Donemana Presbyterian Financial Statements 1866
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donemana2.html
Donemana Financial Presbyterian Statements 1870
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donemana2.html

BREADY REFORMED PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
Bready Reformed Presbyterian Baptisms 1866-88
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/bready.html
Bready Reformed Presbyterian Church Marriages 1847-62
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/bready.html

It is a formidable collection contributed by numerous descendants of Donagheady 
emigrants to Canada, U.S. and Australia. I trust that there are researchers who 
have benefited from this great collection.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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Sent: Monday, 19 August 2019 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Taggart/McKeever

Pat,

One item I forgot to add was that Francis’s daughter Sarah Taggart
(who married William McEgan or McKeegan in 1854) had at least 1 child.
I noticed the birth of a daughter Margaret McKeegan to those parents,
in Londonderry on 14.10.1867. There may well have been others between
1854 and 1863 but those years are before the start of statutory birth
registration and so won’t be in the statutory records.

Good luck with your search anyway.


Elwyn


On 19/08/2019, Pat via CoTyroneList  wrote:
> Elwyn,
> Francis and his wife Mary and daughters emigrated to US in 1880. Mary died 6
> months later and Francis died 28 September 1883. Margaret b 1854 died in NYC
> 10 November 1906. Jane died 8 October 1881 in NYC. They were both
> seamstress. I will be in Ireland up that way on 22/23 September. I’ve been
> to the PRONI in 2014 but didn’t find anything except that Francis parents
> could be William and Anne Irwin. Can’t find anything about when where they
> were married. I think Williams parents were Francis and Dorothy Taggart but
> no proof. Thanks for the help. Pay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 18, 2019, at 17:34, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Look

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help with Tracing Mathew Yarrow and family from Oritor, County Tyrone.

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Sue,

The YARROW sisters arrived in Sydney January 1842 from Oritor, Co. Tyrone as 
assisted immigrants (passages had been paid by the colonial government) on the 
“Margaret”.

Oritor is a 289 acre townland within Kildress parish, near Cookstown

KILDRESS TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK entries for both Yarrows and Nobbs (phonetic 
spelling is of no concern as it was fully acceptable at that time) 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/tithe_Kildress.html
NABBS, Thomas, Orator
YARROW, James, Stramackilmartin
YARROW, John, Stramackilmartin
YARROW, Mathew, Orator
YARROW, Thomas, Strens

JAMES and JOHN NEWBURY from Oritor arrived in Sydney as assisted immigrants on 
the “Oriental” April 1850; have you encountered them in your research? It is 
possible they were related or neighbours persuaded to emigrate as a result of 
encouraging letters received from Sydney?

GRIFFITHS VALUATION, KILDRESS PARISH, c1858
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
NEWBURY, Henry, Corchoney
NEWBURY, Terence, Cloghfin
NOBBS, George, Gortin
NOBBS, James, Oritor
NOBBS, John, Oritor
YARROW, James, Meenascallagh
YARROW, John, Meenascallagh

DEATH OF MRS NOBBS, Oritor 1863
December 4 1863
NOBBS. November 22, at Orritor, near Cookstown, Mrs Nobbs, aged 100 years 
(Tyrone Constitution)

The Yarrows and Nobbs origins were most likely English, as those that emigrated 
to Australia are described as Protestants; in Irish terms this indicates they 
were members of the Church of Ireland.

Hoping this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Cc: Dave Mitchell 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help with Tracing Mathew Yarrow and family 
from Oritor, County Tyrone.

Hello Sue

A small note …   I have come across the surname “Knobbs” in Londonderry, ca. 
1900.  William Knobbs was a stonemason, wife Sarah, daughter Matilda.

Possibly “Nobbs” and “Knobbs” were spelling variations of the same surname.

Sincerely

Dave Mitchell
Cape Town
South Africa

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help with Tracing Mathew Yarrow and family from 
Oritor, County Tyrone.

Hi Team

I have recently subscribed to the email list so apologies if what I am asking 
is not what this list is designed for..


My name is Sue Piper.  My great great grandmother was Matilda Yarrow who 
immigrated to Australia from Oritor County Tyrone in 1842. Matilda arrived with 
her 2 sisters , Margaret and Eliza. Their father is listed as Mathew Yarrow 
(bootmaker)  and mother as Margaret or (Anne) Yarrow (née Nobbs   as stated on 
the death certificate I have for Matilda). I have been trying to find 
information about Matilda, her siblings and her parents to see where they came 
from ( if they immigrated to Ireland from elsewhere -Scotland perhaps??).

I have found reference to a Mathew Yarrow on the Tithe Aplotments register in 
1826 for Kildress  and was wondering if this is the same person. I have checked 
John Grenham and there is no Mathew Yarrow mentioned so i have no idea when he 
passed away - or why the sisters shipped to Australia in 1842 (seems for work 
however).

I am travelling to Ireland in mid June but will not have time to get to Tyrone.

Hoping you can point me in the right direction?

Kindest rehgards

Sue Piper
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Walker Canoney

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Rhonda, if the Carnony referred to is in Co. Tyrone, there is a significant 
problem. Carnony is a townland within Cappagh parish and some searching offers 
nothing that will assist your search:

Tithe Applotment Book 1827, Cappagh Parish, Co. Tyrone
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/cappagh.html
NO WALKERS RECORDED IN THE PARISH

Griffiths Valuation c1858 Carnony, Cappagh Parish, Co Tyrone
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
NO WALKERS IN CARNONY

Civil Registration of Marriages in Ireland (Protestant marriages commence 
1845,: Catholic marriages and all births and deaths are recorded from 1864). 
What was William s occupation? Was the family Catholic or Protestant?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
A SEARCH OF THE INDEX FAILS TO LOCATE THE MARRIAGE OF WILLIAM WALKER AND ANN 
DAVIS ANYWHERE IN CO. TYRONE

Are you able to share with the list the documentation that has led you to 
Carnony?
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Cc: Rhonda 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Walker Canoney

My Great Grandmother Charlotte Elizabeth Walker born c1857 daughter of William 
Walker and Anne Davis came to Queensland Australia with her sister Anne (Ann) . 
They had a brother William who was with the Dublin Metropolitan Police Force.  
Wondering if any information on William and Anne. They were at Canoney when 
Charlotte was born.

Thanks Rhonda Harris

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Emigration to New Zealand

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Roberta,



Looking at the emigration advertisements in the Londonderry and Belfast 
newspapers of the 1850s-80s offering passages to New Zealand it is apparent 
that intending emigrants were required to make their way across to depots in 
Glasgow, Liverpool and London to embark for direct passages to New Zealand. 
This was not a major undertaking as there were many daily ferry crossings 
“across the water”.

Hope this helps,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



Londonderry Standard March 17 1866

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Londonderry Journal September 12 1863

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Emigration to New Zealand

My great great uncle emigrated to New Zealand in about 1880 from Brackey a 
townland  near Omagh County tyrone.  Where would he have sailed from in 
ireland?  Did ships leave from Ireland for New Zealand or would they go to 
Australia first and then to New zealand.  I had been told he had emigrated to 
Australia but have found he was living in New Zealand. Thanks Roberta McNulty
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[CoTyroneMailingList] James Sheehan b. Ireland 1825 North Devonshire Regiment

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Cheryl,

The North Devonshire Regiment was barracked at Chatham, Kent, England. 
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~garter1/history/11th.htm states that the 
regiment originally left Chatham for Sydney in 1845 and RETURNED to England in 
1857. Consulting the regimental records (TNA, Kew, London) will be necessary 
for confirmation. Good luck.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 8:39:12 AM
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Cc: Cheryl Humphreys 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
Index to the Tithe Applotment Book, Aghanloo Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern 
Ireland 1825

Hello can someone help me to find out where my great great grandfather James 
Sheehan, born in Ireland in 1825, was in the north devenshire regiment when he 
came to Sydney New South Wales Australia in 1855, did he sail from Ireland or 
England. Thank you

On Sat, 3 Aug. 2019, 11:41 pm Jim McKane via CoTyroneList, 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Sorry folks but my fingers messed up!! The link was incorrect. Please try this 
one!

Jim

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book, Aghanloo Parish, Co. Londonderry, Northern 
Ireland 1825


Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!


Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A Query on the Ulster Plantation - a late arrival?

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Bravo Elwyn!



Many thanks for this informative response and for highlighting the importance 
of the Muster Rolls of 1630-1 in the story of the settlement of the Plantation 
settlers; these are important records. Several have been transcribed and have 
been uploaded onto CTI https://www.cotyroneireland.com/



Abercorn Estate - Manor of Cloghogal, Leckpatrick Parish, Co. Tyrone Muster 
Rolls 1631

Abercorn Estate - Manor of Dunnalong, Donagheady Parish, Co. Tyrone Muster 
Rolls 1631

Abercorn Estate - Town of Strabane, Barony of Strabane, Co. Tyrone Muster Roll 
of Men & Armes 
1631

Tyrone Muster Rolls, 1631 - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of 4,000 
acres: His Men and Armes in the Barony of 
Clogher

Muster Roll of the Regiment of Robert Lydsay, Eaquire, Desertcreat Parish, Co. 
Tyrone, Northern Ireland, 
1630



Your research offered great news for Gordon. On a personal level, my maternal 
forebear John Arbuckle (spelt Arbahale in 1630) is recorded in the Leckpatrick 
Parish Abercorn Muster Rolls of 1630 and 1631 as possessing a sword and pike, 
so not as affluent as William Wilkinson. Arbuckles resided in the parish until 
2002 and were the last family to hold burial rights within the Old Leckpatrick 
Burial Ground, Ballymagorry.



I have further muster rolls awaiting transcribing which must remain a task for 
the future.

Thanks for your valuable contributions to CTI, Elwyn.

Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:14:06 PM
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Cc: elwyn soutter 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A Query on the Ulster Plantation - a late 
arrival?

Gordon,

The Plantation of Ulster was very much a 17th century event. The main
years when folk arrived were 1610-1630. Anyone arriving in the 19th
century did not come as part of the Plantation.

Folk did arrive after the Plantation. For example, in the 1640s,
General Monro’s army of 10,000 Scots was disbanded at Carrickfergus
and many of them chose to stay rather than return to Scotland, and
there was a huge influx from Scotland in the 1690s due to famine
there. By the 1700s people were leaving again in significant numbers.
And this increased dramatically in the 1800s. So someone could have
settled in Ireland in the 1800s but it would have been against the
flow, so to speak.

Philip Robinson’s book “The Plantation of Ulster” is good background
reading. See:

http://orrnamestudy.com/plantnire1610.htm

There are no lists of settlers at the time of the Plantation. However
we do know the names of the Chief and Ordinary Undertakers (ie the
main estate owners) and where they came from in Scotland and England.
Since they brought many tenants with them, it is sometimes possible to
point broadly to where someone’s family might have originated, but
that only applies if they arrived in 1610-1630.

You say your Wilkinson ancestor arrived in Ireland in the 1800s. How
sure are you about that? The reason that I ask is because according to
the Muster Rolls (c 1630) there was a William Wilkinson on the
Powerscourt estate then. He had a sword and a caliver (a light musket)
indicating he was quite comfortably off financially. There is a
footnote in Bob Hunter’s book on the Muster Rolls stating:

“Wilkinson, who appears to have been reputedly a healer, was resident
in Benburb when he was killed 1641 or 1642 (Examination of Thomas
Dixon 15 March 1653). TCD MS 836, fols 120r -120v).” That examination
(Interview) can be viewed on this site:

http://www.1641.tcd.ie/index.php

So there was 1 Wilkinson family on the Powerscourt estate in 1630.
Could your family have in fact arrived as part of the Plantation after
all? Have you searched the Registry of Deeds or PRONI for Wilkinson
leases or other records relating to the 1700s for example?


Elwyn


On 31/07/2019, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList
 wrote:
> Hi Listers,
>
> I hope someone can add to my understanding of the Ulster Plantation.
> Family legend has it that my great-great grandfather, John Wilkinson
> (~1802-1878) was a plantationer from York, Yorkshire. He settled in
> Coolkill townland, near Eglish, about 10kn SSW from Dungannon (I have
> the actual farmland that he worked). The Griffith Index (1847-1864) has
> him leasing a tenement in 1860 from Viscount Powerscourt. Now my
> understanding is that the main Plantation of Tyrone was in 1609 under
> James I although activity continued off and on until around 16

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Peggy,

There are no earlier registers for Coalisland (Donaghenry & Ballyclog parish). 
Typically, Catholic registers commence in the 1830s for the majority of 
parishes. Sad, but true.

All the best,
Len

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From: Peggy Gordon 
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 11:37:26 PM
To: Len Swindley ; CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing List 

Cc: Jim McKane 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages

Thank you very much Len. Since these records only start in 1822 the only 
marriage I could hope to find would be the Hamilton/Caulfield one. I have had 
one look through and did not see it but will look again due to the poor quality 
of the images.
Are these marriages the earliest ones available for Coalisland?
Regards
Peggy


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On Friday, July 26, 2019, 2:45 AM, Len Swindley  
wrote:

Hello Peggy,



The Donaghenry & Ballyclog RC marriages are available online; you may find the 
marriages your are searching for recorded at 
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0187



Regards,

Lem Swindley, Melbourne, Australia





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Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:51:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages

Did you see the baptism of Mary's children here -  
https://cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donaghenry.html

Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:38 PM Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
I need some help. The marriage of James Duffin and Mary Caulfield was Nov 28, 
1822 in Coalisland. Presuming that the marriages are usually in the bride's 
parish, I am wondering if there is a record there for the marriage of Mary's 
sister Jane Caulfield to William Caulfield abt 1813 and another sister Margaret 
Jane Caulfield to James B. Harper/Happer abt 1816/1817.
Thanks for any help
Peggy
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrow marriages

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Murray,

Thanks for your message; I must state that I am not connected to Morrows and 
the Morrow file is just one of in excess of 1,000 submitted to CTI 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/ to date. I hope you found it interesting.

As I am not familiar with Co Monaghan research it has been necessary to 
undertake a little research to familiarise myself with the geographical area.

I am unable to state that there was any connection with the families of Kilmore 
parish, Co. Monaghan and those of Dungannon Co. Tyrone. Looking at the online 
tithe applotment books for Co. Monaghan (1820s-30s 
)http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp I note 
that there are nine entries for Morrows. Referring to online Griffiths 
Valuation (c1860) I find there are 17 households In the county.

Additionally, Morrow families are rather numerous in Ireland: there are 16 
recorded in Tyrone in GV, 35 in Co. Fermanagh and 135 in Co. Donegal.

You refer to the history of Cahans Presbyterian Church, Tullycorbet parish; the 
records of the now closed church have been filmed by the staff of PRONI, 
Belfast, where they may be consulted: baptisms: 1751-19 and 1767-1971; 
marriages: 1845-95; communicants’ roll: 1816-26 and 1841-1905; session minutes 
with discipline cases: 1751-1836; indexes to baptisms and session minutes 
1751-1894. PRONI refs: MIC 1P/172 and C.R. 3/25.

I am posting this response to the CTI mailing list in the hope that another 
Morrow researcher may find this response useful. All the best with your 
research,
Len Swindley


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From: Murray Bryson 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:03:00 AM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com 
Subject: Morrow marriages

Hello! I've been exploring your Morrow page.

Do you have anything on a  marriage of Margaret MORROW to a George STUART or 
STEWART? They are the earliest ancestors in Ireland that we can be certain 
about. The marriage would be circa 1785.

They are recorded in the history of Cahans Presbyterian Church close to 
Monaghan town and their residence was Slieveroe, Kilmore.

That's not very far from Dungannon so I thought there might be a connection to 
those Morrows.

I'm trying to come up some ideas about how my Stewarts landed in Ireland. I 
believe there may be a multigenerational relationship between Morrows and 
Stewarts going back to Ayrshire. We are by DNA Darnley Stewarts, possibly of 
Dunduff, near Ayr (Prestwick).

Or, if Morrows were not from there, it could possibly date from the early James 
I plantation. I'm looking particularly into Portlough, as related Stewarts are 
among the Undertakers.

I see also from 1600s muster rolls and estate maps that Tyrone Plantation 
settlers included 3 Stewards, 7 Stewarts, one Morrow, and 15 Hamiltons.

Thanks for any assistance you can provide in helping me identify the family of 
Margaret Morrow, because that just may lead me back one or a few generations of 
Stewarts.

Murray Bryson
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Park family in Glenglush and Stewartstown?

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Bonnie,

It is almost unlikely that the Park family of Stewartstown (Donaghenry parish) 
are connected to the family in the townland of  Kinkit (Abercorn Estate), 
Ardstraw parish in west Tyronetake a look at the county map - the distance 
is too great. You are best to concentrate on the Park/ Parke families of the 
adjoining parishes of Donaghenry, Desertcreat, Tullyniskan and Derryloran 
parishes in East Tyrone where there are in excess of 40 families recorded in 
Griffiths Valuation c1860.
For Ardstraw/ Abercorn estate researchers, there is an interesting entry at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_tenants.html where John Park 
was recorded as the oldest man on the Abercorn Estate in 1755

All  good wishes,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
Bonnie Jordan via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:08:41 AM
To: Bonnie Jordan via CoTyroneList 
Cc: Bonnie Jordan 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Park family in Glenglush and Stewartstown?

I'm not sure which order, but it is a township (along with kinkit) in Strabane, 
Ardstraw, County Tyrone...

On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:05:33 AM PDT, Liam Ó Cuinn via CoTyroneList 
 wrote:


Where is Glenglush?

Madadh Mór

On 23 Iúil 2019, at 14:40, Bonnie Jordan via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

I'm trying to figure out if these Park(e) people are the same family.  Does 
anyone have any info that might help bring these 2 Park families together?  
Here's all I have on them...


William Park JR's  wife Ann dies in Stewartstown in 1828.
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William Park SR's  wife died in 1840 both of Stewartstown
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I believe all of those Park's are related to each other, but are they related 
to MY Park's in Glenglush?

Here are my Park family members:

Matthew and Fanny are the children of  William Park living in Glenglush in 1843 
(Matthew Park married Elizabeth Craig).
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Any help would be much appreciated.  I'm going to Strabane in August and would 
love to be able to pinpoint where my family is from!
Bonnie



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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Hello Peggy,

The Donaghenry & Ballyclog RC marriages are available online; you may find the 
marriages your are searching for recorded at 
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0187

Regards,
Lem Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:51:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Coalisland marriages

Did you see the baptism of Mary's children here -  
https://cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donaghenry.html

Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:38 PM Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
I need some help. The marriage of James Duffin and Mary Caulfield was Nov 28, 
1822 in Coalisland. Presuming that the marriages are usually in the bride's 
parish, I am wondering if there is a record there for the marriage of Mary's 
sister Jane Caulfield to William Caulfield abt 1813 and another sister Margaret 
Jane Caulfield to James B. Harper/Happer abt 1816/1817.
Thanks for any help
Peggy
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] McGreece / M'Griece / Magreese family; Kinine, Tyrone

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

A most detailed and extensive response Elwyn!



The McGreece (and variants) researcher is fortunate that the Kilskeery RC 
registers are available online

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0315 Have taken a quick look and they seem 
mostly legible.



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia





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elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 7:46:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] McGreece / M'Griece / Magreese family; 
Kinine, Tyrone

Kinine is in the parish of Kilskeery.

To save a little duplication, here’s a reply I sent Malcolm on another
genealogy board. Malcolm isn’t convinced that McGreece and McGinnis
might be the same. I’d be interested to see if anyone can come up with
an alternative explanation of how Ellen & Patrick might otherwise be
brother & sister.

“Griffiths Valuation for 1860 lists Hugh McGreese farming on plot 5 in
Kinine. That was 13 acre farm. It remains in that name in the
Valuation revision records till 1888 when it changes to Patrick. Then
in 1899 there is an illegible change before it goes to McCullion in
1906.

This looks to be Patrick in the 1901 census, living with his niece:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Moorefield/Kinine/1740977/

No McGreese or Teague in Kinine in the 1911 census.

This looks to be Ellen Garvey and her husband Thomas in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Magheraculmoney/Sheemuldoon/1354822/

Ellen was previously married to Francis Teague who died 7.1.1888 aged
48. Their 2 children Owen and Hugh were born 30.4.1879 & 28.11.1882
respectively. Their daughter Rose Ann Tague (sic) was born 8.12.1880.
Their birth certificates give her previous name as
McGinnis/McGuinness. Francis and Ellen were married on 5.6.1877. She
was a spinster, resided in Kinine and her father was Hugh McGuinis,
farmer.

I consider that McGreece and McGuinis/McGuinness etc are all
variations of the same name. So that would confirm Patrick, whose
death Ellen reported in 1902, was her brother and the son of Hugh who
died in 1887:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11134/8076966.pdf

I would say that Rose McGreece who died in 1898, aged 40, was a sister
to Patrick & Ellen & Hugh junior. Hugh Teague the informant must have
been Ellen’s son.

I note that you have Mary McGreece as dying in 1868. However when Hugh
died in 1887 he is recorded as still married. Did he remarry? (I don’t
see a marriage if he did).

Kilskeery RC records start in 1840. Have you searched them for the
family? That should confirm some of the relationships and give you
Hugh’s wife’s maiden name”.



Elwyn


On 20/07/2019, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList
 wrote:
> Where is or what is "Kinine" ??
>
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 4:21 AM MD M via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hugh McGreece b c 1807, d  20th Sept 1887,  Kinine;   Son Hugh b c 1838
>>
>> Mary McGreece / M'Griece b c 1804, d 1868
>>
>> Patrick McGreece b c 1839, d 15th Aug 1902, Kinine:   a sister Ellen m
>> Unknown Garvey
>>
>> James McGreece b c 1819, d 12th Mch 1899, Kinine: Informant of death,
>> niece  Rose Ann Teague
>>
>> Rose McGreece b c 1850, d 16th Dec 1898, Kinine:  Informant of death,
>> nephew Hugh Teague
>>
>> Appreciate any further details of these family members; parents,
>> children,
>> dates, anything helpful !!
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