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I would argue in favor of picking a simple system and sticking with it. 
 Optimize for the 80%, let the other 20% adapt.  You could support the 
wannabe-full timers by providing lockers or something where they could 
store equipment (laptop), etc.

I don't really buy the "I need my desktop machine" argument... Especially 
for software developers, laptops are just as capable as desktop machines.  

I think its important to mix the communities, certainly.. Maybe offer a 
discount to full-timers for use of the hotdesks, but don't turn hotdesks 
into full-time if you have any major concerns about it.  Its important for 
coworking spaces to serve their members, but your members are some of the 
most resourceful people in the world - They can adapt too.

J

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[Coworking] Re: Join me in Berlin at the European Coworking conference this week - extra ticket, big savings

Raines, Jacob, anyone in attendence in Europe - Please share about the 
event early and often!  If you're liveblogging, drop a message to the list 
with your twitter or blog URL ... If there are videos posted, please 
crosspost!  This is an important event for the coworking community, one I 
wish I could attend!

If anyone feels compelled, it would be cool to do some in-hall interviews, 
recorded on your iphone as audio or video, with space owners and people 
doing exciting things in the community.  Any media we generate can be 
shared to effectively for the benefit of all.

J

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[Coworking] Re: TheCoworkers Episode #8 has been published

Cari,

Best bet is to tweet the main URL to TheCoworkers:

http://thecoworkers.com

I have a personal twitter at http://twitter.com/tronathan and I'd always 
enjoy more followers, but my focus with TheCoworkers is to serve the larger 
community, not myself.  That said, here's a tweet announcing the most 
recent episode:

https://twitter.com/#!/tronathan/status/131053053083267072

J

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Re: [Coworking] Making "hotdesks" work for software developers

I would argue in favor of picking a simple system and sticking with it. 
 Optimize for the 80%, let the other 20% adapt.  You could support the 
wannabe-full timers by providing lockers or something where they could 
store equipment (laptop), etc.

I don't really buy the "I need my desktop machine" argument... Especially 
for software developers, laptops are just as capable as desktop machines.  

I think its important to mix the communities, certainly.. Maybe offer a 
discount to full-timers for use of the hotdesks, but don't turn hotdesks 
into full-time if you have any major concerns about it.  Its important for 
coworking spaces to serve their members, but your members are some of the 
most resourceful people in the world - They can adapt too.

J

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[Coworking] TheCoworkers Episode #8 has been published

2011-10-31 Thread Jonathan Yankovich


Happy Spook Day everyone,

Episode #8 of The Coworkers has been published!

Get it here:

http://thecoworkers.com/

This is the first trans-continental episode of The Coworkers.  In this 
episode, we have


 * Alex Lang of Cobot, Berlin
 * Jacob Sayles of Office Nomads, Seattle WA

Topics Discussed include:

 * Coworking communities in the US and Europe
 * How these communities are different
 * Events, Cooperation and meeting places (Physical and Virtual)

Later through this month we'll publish a recent interview with Derek 
Neighbors when he visited Xin Dan Wei in Shanghai, China.


The schedule for future episodes, as always, is here:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgEwrcOYnrMAdGZSbUZGWFM4dFBLMHdOMHZ1M3BRVVE


Please add your input if you would like to be a member or have an idea 
for a podcast.


Next month we hope to feature some of the amazing women in the coworking 
community, so stay tuned for that!


Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: Can someone help me find the "files" section of this group?

2011-10-20 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

One of the long term objectives that came out of the Coworking Summit 
weekend about a month ago (as I understand it) is to *eventually *create an 
online repository for files related to coworking such as sample membership 
agreements, leases, floor plans, and the like.  This is probably 6 mos out, 
and we'll be sure to let you know when it is available!

(Jacob/Alex/Angel/Iris, correct me if I'm wrong here)

J

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[Coworking] Episode 7 of The Coworkers Podcast has been published

2011-10-14 Thread Jonathan Yankovich


Happy Friday All,

The first episode of The Coworkers since Tony and Alex handed the 
project over to the community has been published.  This episode features:


 * Alex Hillman of Independents Hall, Phillidelphia PA
 * Jacob Sayles of Office Nomads, Seattle WA
 * Derek Neighbors of Gangplank, Chandler AZ

discussing the future of the podcast and the state of coworking.

Get it here:

http://thecoworkers.com/

or on iTunes.

Now that we've completed the round-trip workflow for publishing new 
episodes, expect to see a new episode every month, and sometimes twice a 
month when there's a lot to talk about.


On Nov 1 we'll publish an episode featuring Jacob Sayles of Office 
Nomads, Seattle WA and Alex Lang who works on Cobot, management software 
for coworking spaces.


By mid-november we hope to have another episode in the can.  As usual, 
the signup and topics lists are publically shared here:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgEwrcOYnrMAdGZSbUZGWFM4dFBLMHdOMHZ1M3BRVVE&hl=en_US

Best,

J

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[Coworking] 2011 Coworking Summit

2011-10-03 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

So how was it???

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: example Pre-membership agreements

2011-09-26 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

What is a "pre-membership" agreement?

Wouldnt anything that is conditional on membership be part of the membership 
agreement?

Jonathan

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Re: [Coworking] Recording the next Coworkers podcast

2011-08-19 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Yes, Thank you, most excellent!

How would you like to record (Susan, Craig) around Sept 1?

Lets get a date and time on the calendar to record the session.

For the benefit of others, here's the spreadsheet again:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgEwrcOYnrMAdGZSbUZGWFM4dFBLMHdOMHZ1M3BRVVE&hl=en_US#gid=0

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Recording the next Coworkers podcast

2011-08-15 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

There's quite a bit of interest in bringing back the Coworkers Podcast.
I'm proposing that Jacob Sayles and someone else do the first one, to be
recorded in the next 2 weeks and published by Sept 1. Seattle did an
amazing job celebrating 6th Annual Coworking Day, and that will be one f
the topics of the podcast.

So, if you know Jacob and have good rapport with him, and want to be on
this first call, please email me or him to get scheduled. Right after
we get this one planned, we'll need to get 2 cohosts set up for the
following month (sept). Please talk to each other, "Find a partner" and
email me to get scheduled or update the google spreadsheet under
'Planned Sessions':

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgEwrcOYnrMAdGZSbUZGWFM4dFBLMHdOMHZ1M3BRVVE&hl=en_US

This is where we take responsability for making this happen. I'll
manage production but I need you guys to step up and voulenteer to be
speakers for future episodes.

Here are some of the possible people and ideas from the top part of the
spreadsheet:

Iris (Nextspace) + Angel (Cohere) = Women, gender, & sexuality in
coworking
Alex (Indyhall) + Jacob (Office Nomads) = Future of Coworking?
Whats wrong with coworking?
Steve from Emergent Research + Craig (Creative Density) = Business
practices that influence culture. Trends in coworking business models.
Jonathan Yankovich + Devin Walters (Sarapis Foundation) = Coworking
Registry
Craig (Creative Density) + __ = Space Design and how it
influences the way people work together.

Please email me with any questions,

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Coworking Day Google Hangout!

2011-08-09 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

This is a bit of an experiment, but please join me for a coworking day
google hangout (Right Now!):

https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/04d158ed1b7c43da2c443dcd217156bd7a7d7
50a?authuser=0&hl=en

Tuesday is INTERNATIONAL COWORKING DAY and the 6th BIRTHDAY OF COWORKING!
To celebrate, we'll be getting together on Google Hangouts for 4 hours
between 11a-3p Central, 9a-1p Cali Time, and noon-4 Eastern.

Jonathan


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[Coworking] Re: [Open Coworking] Re: Coworking/Registry Community

2011-08-05 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Do we have anything set up as far as a teleconference?  I know there was
some talk on the list, but not sure if any concrete plans precipitated out
of it (sorry, I've been off the grid for the past 2 days or so).

We should do a Google Hangout at the VERY least.  We can probably organize
this in an ad-hoc fashion.

I'll send a Google Calendar invite to those listed on this email.  Everyone
else is welcome to join too.

Here's my current Google Circle for coworking, hopefully many of you can
make it on Tuesday:

https://img.skitch.com/20110805-fdxxfpe5j5cytq1xi765f9tu99.png

Here's a link to the calendar invite:

https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=YnIza280cWdoZTE5
YXAzYzE0a2t0ZGFwbjggam9uYXRoYW4ueWFua292aWNoQG0&tmsrc=jonathan.yankovich%40g
mail.com

This might also be a good opportunity to discuss the podcast and identify
some topics, so I'll bring that up as a topic during the hangout.  No one is
expected to stay for the whole thing but it would be great to see people pop
in!

Maybe if we're lucky we can even get a feed from Seattle!

Jonathan

From:  Devin 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Open Coworking] Re: Coworking/Registry Community

"International Coworking Day" is coming up on Tuesday.  Here's
  what some folks in Seattle
are doing.  I'm trying not to feel bad that we don't have a similarly cool
event going on in NY.  Who else is celebrating and how?


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[Coworking] Jonathan Yankovich wants to chat

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Re: [Coworking] Re: Podcast/Video for coworking.

2011-08-02 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

In to doacratic spirit ("do" being the active word), I've started a Google 
Spreadsheet to plan future episodes (link at end of post).

I propose we stick with current format but do it monthly instead of weekly, 
ie:

- 2 people on the podcast, either 2 hosts or 1 host 1 guest (interview 
format)
- 30 minute podcast
- Published once per month
- Topics and hosts planned in advance
- Schedule:

https://spreadsheets0.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgEwrcOYnrMAdGZSbUZGWFM4dFBLMHdOMHZ1M3BRVVE&hl=en_US#gid=0

- Possible way to generate topics is to review the google group topics for 
the past month and comment on them, a la diggnation.

Does anyone have any nominations for people they'd like to see in future 
episodes?

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: Podcast/Video for coworking.

2011-08-02 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

I can't believe its been 8 months since the last episode of TheCoworkers!

I'm also interested in keeping this alive.  I have fairly extensive 
experience in media production including large, complicated web projects and 
experience in AV and production.

I could take the role of Producer and do the following:

- Manage booking schedule
- Record the show
- Publish the show

I propose using Skype + call recorder and each person using a laptop, 
preferably a macbook, with no external mic.  This will give consistent 
quality and sound on both sides of the conversation.  

The way to make something like this sustainable is to:

- Keep the technical production simple and consistent
- Keep the format simple and book the speakers in advance
- Define topics for each segment if possible

Alex, would you be interested in recording one more session to introduce the 
idea that the podcast is going to start featuring people from around the 
coworking community?  I personally would like to see an Alex/Jacob podcast, 
or another Alex/Tony podcast.  Or an Alex/Angel episode.  Or an Angel/Iris 
episode... girl power++!

I dont want to take anyone thunder here, so if efforts are already under way 
to do this, I'm happy to support an existing effort.  But if not, I can make 
this happen.

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: HELP! liability insurance:(

2011-07-27 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Julie,

Can you do something to following effect:

1) Add a liability waiver to your membership agreements a la gym
membership

2) +1 for what Andy said.  Add a clause to your membership agreements
stating that it is the member's responsibility to obtain liability
insurance and that singing the membership agreement means that they
have done so, but simple not check the enforcement of it?  You could
also include recommendations about where/how to obtain it from the
above recommendations.  That puts the responsability of getting the
insurance on the member, and doesnt limit them from joining the
organization and being part of the community.

I would do everything possible to eliminate or minimize any obstacles
from people joining and participating in your community, including
creative use of language in your membership agreements.  One of the
core values of coworking (ok, maybe this isnt true) is flexability, so
providing that in your agreements is generally a good thing.

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: New Space Layout. Need Advice. Blueprints Included.

2011-07-27 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Can you add a couple of flat rolling whiteboards to the space, so they
can be positioned as needed and used as ad-hoc dividers, too?  Putting
things on wheels is a good way to provide resources where they're
needed, and they won't get in the way (or be as costly) as perminant
glass pillars.  Also, while the idea of a finite-yet-boundless
whiteboard is cool, having a flat surface is probably quite a bit more
practical (for example, taking pictures of whiteboards on pillars for
later use would lead to skewed photos).

J

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[Coworking] Re: Swipe card system for members

2011-06-14 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

William,

Could you release your code on Github and possibly add a comment to
the OpenDoor project at Hive 13?

This is an open-source project to create access control for
hackerspaces and coworking spaces.  It sounds in-line with what you've
developed.

http://wiki.hive13.org/Opendoor_Project

Jonathan

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[Coworking] memolane.com/coworking (fun to look at)

2011-04-24 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Hi All,

I was playing with a new offering from a startup called Memolane which
compiled various social resources and displays them in sn easy to
consume way.  They intend it for "personal memory organization" and
the intro video gives the example of "remembering that party" but it
seems more useful to me as a sort of information grazing tool
(newsreader).

I set up a "memolane" for coworking that contains the following:

- Coworking Google Group Feed (this group)
- Coworking Wiki Feed
- 'Coworking' Twitter Search Results
- 'Coworking' Google Alert Results

The results are displayed in a "timeline" format, horizontally
separated by day... I can see the UI being somewhat minority-reportish
if improved, kind of like Flipboard meets New Twitter.

Ok, enough buzzwording, here's the memolane link:

http://memolane.com/coworking

Happy Sunday,

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: "McCoworking" is here!

2011-04-24 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

If community is one of the hallmarks of what we call "coworking", then
it would make sense to ask why the folks from All Ideas Matter are not
active on this list.  The coworking mailing list is one of the most
high profile communities for coworking on the Internet.  I would
expect that if these folks arent already lurking, that they are
hopefully savvy enough to have Google Alerts for their brand, and will
be on the thread soon. So, welcome in advance, I say :)

Also note that searches on the coworking wiki for "allideasmatter" and
"all ideas matter" yield zero results.

Community?  where?

Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: Coworking app update

2011-04-10 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

Patrick,

We're working on the API and data set for this on
coworkingregistry.org. One of the challenges is that a complete source
for Coworking data needs to serve a lot of masters, so the design of
the schema is a little challenging.  I know that there are some folks
in Europe who have released a Coworking app for Android, but I don't
know what they're using for a data source.

Over the next few weeks you should see more emphasis on getting the
data in coreg up to snuff.  Folks from the Sarapis foundation have
volunteered to curate the data and Jacob Sayles from Office Nomads is
offering some project management and leadership.

Please keep in touch - my email is jonathan.yankov...@gmail.com

-Jonathan

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[Coworking] Re: NAICS code

2011-04-10 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

There is currently no NACIS code for Coworking facilities.
Organizations like The School Factory in Milwaukee, WI (which started
Bucketworks there) are working with government to have one added.

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[Coworking] Re: 12 month max term and no part timers

2011-04-10 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

My feeling is that by doing this, you are shooting yourself in the
foot (sabotaging your own effort).

Regarding max 12 mos:  A big part of Coworking (thanks for
capitalizing that, autocorrect) is community and another is the
possibility that people see when they commit to joining..  Anything
you do to hamper community and possibility are devastating to the
multiplier effect that is so crucial to Coworking.

Also, long time members will become magnets for more members, so you
don't want to alienate them.  I would say that the 12 month rule
violates the principle value of 'inclusion' as well as
'sustainability'.

Regarding full time only:  One of the ways Coworking spaces become
succcesful is by risking limited resources and banking on
'overselling'.  Its the same thing that banks, insurance companies,
and health clubs do.  If at any time every member of a bank, insurance
company, or health club used the services of that provider fully,
there'd be a run on resources and the institution would collapse.
Taking the risk of having more (PART TIME) mebmbers than you have
space for is a big part of how you get the payoff.  Deferring that
risk to members creates more problems than it solves.  As a Coworking
space, you want to minimize the barrier to entry, ideally down to
zero.  If someone has to get their friends/colleuges together just to
get a desk, then they are already on their way to opening their own
space.

The problem and concerns need to be reframed - it's good that you've
got the attention and interest of your stakeholders, but they're
missing the whole picture, and with something as delicate as
Coworking, the whole picture is crucial.

_Jonathan @Tronathan

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[Coworking] Re: Why (governments) should invest in coworking?

We recently had an opportunity to present to the Wisconsin State
Economic Development and Housing Authority which is a pretty big group
of people focused on economic development across the state of
Wisconsin. One of the slides contained the following, reposted here
for the benefit of others:

*Why invest in Coworking?*

Coworking benefits its members...

- Zero-risk space to work independently, start real businesses
- Instant collaboration between entrepreneurs, creative class,
academics
- Accelerated business and professional development
- Network (local linked in, supply chain, industry sector, bus.
Development)

Coworking benefits Commercial Real Estate...

- Professional membership increases nearby office & retail value
- Groups form increasing demand for dedicated office spaces (reduce
vacancy and incubate/generate future tenants)
- Low impact on parking, CAM, and low need for improvements

Coworking benefits the Broader Economy...

- Increases the creation of establishments via reduced risk & capitol
- Develops workforce via lower barrier to professional engagement
- Grassroots product development accelerates technology transfer
- Attracts and retains graduates & creative class professionals
- Connects Private Sector with Academia, ED Resources

Link to presentation: 
https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AQEwrcOYnrMAZGN4ajlmbXBfMTUwOXh2NzcyZ3Y&hl=en
Anyone interested in using the material from this presentation is
welcome to.  Attribution would be nice but isn't required - and I'd be
interested in hearing about your efforts. My email is
jonathan.yankov...@gmail.com .)

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[Coworking] Why (governments) should invest in coworking?


> Jonathan said:
> > for local/regional/state/national groups interested in coworking, to support
> > the cause and show people the real value using numbers as opposed to the
> > more ephemeral attributes that we're talking about here.

Alex said:

> To what end? *Sounds* great but most governments and coworking space
> owners/operators/founders won't have a clue what to do with these "metrics"
> other than throw them at the EDCs and, well, I've already written about
> that: 
> http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2010/12/on-economic-development-centers-and-coworking/

I think its more about communicating the value of this new model to
the people who hold the purse strings in communities when it comes
to.  In Madison, our city economic development champion "gets"
coworking and sees it as the future, but recognizes that few of the
people who are generally involved with economic development decisions
and about how to spend government money really understand it the way
we do.

Some of the questions I've been asked:

- How many sqft does a space need to be successful?
- How quickly does membership typically grow?
- How many members can be supported per sqft?
- How many "jobs" and "businesses" are generally created and over what
period of time?

Answering these kinds of questions will give "EDC's" information that
they can understand in the context they're used to.  These folks are
used to things like business plan contests (not coworking),
"incubators" (not coworking), and tax subsidies for small businesses
(not coworking).  If we want them to understand the value of
coworking, we have to present information about it in a way that they
can "get".  I was hoping that by gathering metrics we could do this,
but based on feedback from many people on this list, it sounds like a
problem that we perhaps shouldn't even try to solve ... for now.

But to answer your question - To what end?  To the end of getting
funding, tax breaks, etc from cities to promote the growth of
coworking.

_jonathan yankovich

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[Coworking] Re: Standard Membership Types

Since there are a lot of people working on placing people in spaces
(deskbookers, loosecubes, etc), I think it makes sense for
coworkingregistry to serve as a portal that showcases the
"personality" and "vibrance" of coworking spaces and communities.
Also, coworkingregistry is not a for-profit project, and its goal is
to remain neutral.  It might make sense to have a field or set of
fields for "membership types" but based on all the input I've seen
from people who actually run spaces, presenting these data in a
structured way that supports all the possible membership types sounds
daunting and like a problem that we shouldn't necessarily set out to
solve.  So, +1 for an optional, freeform membership field (similar to
what the hackspace wiki does).

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[Coworking] Re: How to Measure Coworking with Metrics - or not (Conversation)

Also add:

11) Twitter posts & mentions (feed)
12) Blog posts (feed)

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[Coworking] Re: How to Measure Coworking with Metrics - or not (Conversation)

I totally get what Jacob and Alex are saying about the importance of
personality and have been noodling what "personality metrics" (maybe
metrics is the wrong word here - would Descriptors be more accurate)
could be included in a coworking site's profile on
coworkingregistry.org.  So far, I've come up with the following:

1) Facility Name
2) Web site
3) Picture of site home page
4) Tagline or Description
5) Culture Tags
6) Logo (picture)
7) Photos of space / events (pictures)
8) Profiles of businesses / projects / ideas that "originated" at a
space
9) Profiles of people (photo, name, interest)
10) List of events that are hosted here?

as for Audience and User Stories, there are a few, which makes getting
this "right" more challenging.  I see the following /possible/ user
stories:

- Person who lives in a city wants to find out what spaces are
available
- Person who is visiting city wants to know where they can/should go
cowork for a day or two
- Advocacy group wants to provide information to government to promote
coworking
- People who are opening a new space want information about what other
spaces are doing and/or to have their own profiles to show others,
track progress etc

as i read through these, i think the following might be the easiest
and best thing to shoot for:

- show people the value of coworking

and doing this by focusing on personality instead of the "harder"
metrics that we've been looking at.  Personally, the reason that I'm
interested in coworking is not because of the financial cost, the size
of a space, etc - It is because of the value I get from being a part
of a vibrant, creative community.  So, maybe that's a good place to
focus.

So, maybe it makes sense to focus on the "personality" of a space by
presenting information based on the 10 items above.  If anyone has
additional items to add (or subtract), please contribute to the
conversation!

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[Coworking] How to Measure Coworking with Metrics - or not (Conversation)

2011-03-01 Thread Jonathan Yankovich

size of a space?" "What 
is the average age?" etc

12:37   jonathan: people can always leave fields empty
12:37   jsayles: that implies that an empty field has no cost
12:37 	jsayles: that's the kind of engineering that makes cell phones 
with extra buttons that no one uses

12:38   jonathan: I think you're collapsing "some people" with "no one"
12:38 	jsayles: (I like to think of all the bad cell phone designsâEUR¦ 
there really are some ridiculous ones"
12:39 	jonathan: Its good we're having this conversation, because it'll 
save me a lot of work if we choose not to implement some of this stuff :)

12:39   jsayles: :)
12:39   jonathan: let me get an example
12:39 	jsayles: Just so you know, I am a HUGE metrics guy and I am eager 
to get to a point where we can start gathering more data

12:40   jsayles: but it's a much trickier problem then adding some fields
12:40 	jsayles: would love to get into that but let's finish up this 
firstâEUR¦ mostly just didn't want you thinking I don't love data
12:42 	jonathan: This entry was created yesterday: 
http://coworkingregistry.org/facility/locus-workspace
12:43 	jonathan: The "Culture" and "Pictures" section support what 
you're talking about, i think
12:44 	jonathan: My concern about data is that we need to have a fairly 
"complete" (whatever that means) schema in place before we invite people 
to be stewards of their entriesâEUR¦ Jessica H has been helping me 
associate entries with email adresses so people can take ownership of 
their entries, but we dont want to invite everyone until we have the 
fields more or less hashed out, because we dont want to have to 
re-invite in 6 weeks or whatever

12:45   jsayles: I understand that
12:46 	jsayles: Name/Location/Contact are the most importantâEUR¦ Must 
have thoseâEUR¦.
12:46 	jsayles: Did you get the part in my thread where I talked about 
studying why the current wiki is so effective?

12:47   jonathan: Nom, missed that
12:47 	jsayles: People love to talk about how it doesn't do this, or it 
can't do that...
12:47 	jsayles: but it's still been the most effective solution anyone 
can come up with
12:48 	jonathan: I might contend (might!) that the reason that its the 
best anyone can come up with is that we haven't taken a hard look at the 
appropriate constraints

12:48   jsayles: I think that is over simplifying it
12:49   jsayles: great discussion by the wayâEUR¦.
12:49   jonathan: Sounds good
12:50 	jonathan: I might crosspost it to the list for the benefit of 
others if that's ok
12:53 	jsayles: Yeah, I'm very interested in how you would describe this 
conversation. :)
12:54 	jsayles: That will show me what points I'm making are getting 
through and which ones haven't
12:54 	jonathan: I think I'm getting youâEUR¦ i think where we disagree 
is that you're saying that this problem is either unsolvable or shouldnt 
be solved, and i'm saying that we need to look at it in more detail.
1:01 	jsayles: oh interestingâEUR¦ actually I'd say where we disagree is 
that where I see a problem that needs to be looked at in more detail, I 
see you suggesting it can be solved with data points

1:04jonathan: Yeah, I'm suggesting solutions :)
1:04jsayles: and by "unsolvable" I really mean "i'ts not that simple"
1:06 	jonathan: One of the things about having an API and doing data 
exchange is having structureâEUR¦ I guess thats why i've been listening 
to this conversation from a place of structured data, because it seems 
like your original vision was to have a highly structured system for 
exchanging/displaying data about Coworking in general (Open Coworking 
Library)âEUR¦ something that the wiki (unstructured) isn't satisfying
1:07 	jonathan: So, I hear ya.. it will be interesting to flesh this out 
more in the future
1:07 	jsayles: Yeah, I hear you too. I'm a software guy too and it's 
been an interesting ride for me to wrap my head around the politics of 
such a wide and diverse community
1:08 	jsayles: I'll talk you ear off when we get a few beers in our 
hands. :)

1:08jonathan: Looking forward to it


Is this kind of conversational crosspost useful, or does it come off to 
the list like noise?


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[Coworking] Re: Standard Membership Types

After some discussion with Chris from Sector67, we determiend that
coworkingregistry.org should probably not try to supoort hacker
spaces, since hacker spaces have a great directory at http://hackerspaces.org
.  Here are a few sample listings of the big ones:

http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/HacDC
http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Noisebridge
http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/I3_Detroit
http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/NYC_Resistor

If a hacker space wants to get involved with or provide coworking,
they can add membership levels that match the generally accepted
standards for coworking membership levels.  Keepting coreg simple and
focused on coworking will make it a more effective tool for our
primary audience, for now.  (If/when coreg grows into the Open
Coworking Library, we may want to add support for hacker spaces.)

Still need to define good general membership level names for
coworking.

-J

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Re: [Coworking] Standard Membership Types

Great feedback, thanks.  I'm hoping that this covers the basics.. Here's 
an example of how these data will be used:


https://img.skitch.com/20110227-maiyb8emhrtaebrea3c4nnfrms.png

We'll also need membership levels for hacker spaces.  I dont know much 
about general membership types for hacker spaces, so would love some 
feedback - What are one or two common membership types for these types 
of spaces?


-Jonathan


On 2/26/11 6:33 PM, Joshua Marpet wrote:

Jonathan, nice!

I do not run a coworking space currently.  :(  (It will kind of depend 
on where my next job/income stream is coming from, as where I open a 
co-working space.  Either Philly or DC area)


But I would like to offer a suggestion on names, if I may?

1 Drop-in - cool.
2. Daily Hotdesk - (hotdesk 9-5)
3. All Access Hotdesk
4. Permadesk or All Access Desk or somesuch.

Just my .02

Joshua Marpet

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Yankovich 
mailto:jonathan.yankov...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Hi All,

I'm working on adding more metadata to coworkingregistry.org
<http://coworkingregistry.org> and one of the things we identified
was having rates information for various membership levels.  Now,
I KNOW that each facility has different membership levels that
offer different levels of service, access, etc, but for the
purposes of standardization and communication, I'd like to
identify some common membership levels.

Currently, when I look at most spaces' web sites, I see the
following levels:

   1) Drop-In - A one-day pass to work while the space is open,
like a 9-5 Hotdesk member but for one day.  (No storage.)

   2) Hotdesk 9-5 - Access to a desk/chair/resources every day
that the space has open hours.  No key.  Bring your laptop, take
it when you leave.  "Leave no trace" coworking, unless a project
locker is provided.

   3) Hotdesk 24/7 - Access to a desk/chair/resources as well as a
key/card/code so you can access the space whenever you want.

   4) Permadesk - Your own established desk with whatever storage
is provided.  Commonly you might leave a laptop or desktop
computer at your desk.  Permadesk generally includes 24/7 access
(key/card/code).

There are generally higher "tenant" or "anchor tenant" types of
members, but these are usually custom/contract relationships and
not something that needs advertising.  It might be valuable to
have a "Looking for anchor tenant" option on coworkingregistry,
but saying more than that is probably not necessary.

So what does everyone think of these 4 general levels of membership?

Are these good names, or are there better names for these things?
 Do these names translate well into other languages?

Remember that the exact offering will vary from space to space in
terms of the hours of availability, additional amenities, access
to meetup/conference room spaces, and so on.  I dont propose that
we try to agree on those, or get spaces to change what they offer.
 What I'm trying to establish is a few general/base levels of
membership that we can use to talk about membership across spaces
in a general way.  For example, everyone generally knows what a
    day-pass or drop-in is.  Does this make sense?

See you in Austin,

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[Coworking] IRC or Chat to organize the Unconference?

Who has been heading up organization of the Unconference in Austin?  Is 
there a real-time chat (IRC or other) that we can use to discuss the 
goings-on?  I can bring some resources (camcorder, ustream account, 
wikibot recording platform possibly) but need to know what "need".


-Jonathan

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