Re: [css-d] Dissapearing elements in IE6

2007-07-25 Thread Bruno Fassino
Erik Gyepes wrote:

 URL: http://erikgyepes.com/problem1/

 The page looks okay in Firefox and Oper, but when I look on
 it with IE6 then the US states title dissapears. Also with
 the All makes title which is on the bottom of the page.

Absolutely positioned boxes near to floats may disappear in IE, in various
circumstances. Your case looks like one of the those mentioned here [1], and
it seems to be fixed giving margin-right:-3px to the last float of any group
following the missing box. I mean:
Add a class to the ul going from South Dakota to Wyoming (and to the
one going from Rolls Royce to Volvo) and give margin-right:-3px to this
class.
(There are surely other fixes, but they require more changes to the markup.)

Hth,
Bruno


[1] http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html

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Re: [css-d] Dissapearing elements in IE6

2007-07-25 Thread Erik Gyepes
Hi Bruno,

I don't understand it, but it really works. Do you have any references 
to that bug or something so I can understand that? What other changes 
you think? I can change the mark up.

Erik

Bruno Fassino wrote:
 Erik Gyepes wrote:
   
 URL: http://erikgyepes.com/problem1/

 The page looks okay in Firefox and Oper, but when I look on
 it with IE6 then the US states title dissapears. Also with
 the All makes title which is on the bottom of the page.
 

 Absolutely positioned boxes near to floats may disappear in IE, in various
 circumstances. Your case looks like one of the those mentioned here [1], and
 it seems to be fixed giving margin-right:-3px to the last float of any group
 following the missing box. I mean:
 Add a class to the ul going from South Dakota to Wyoming (and to the
 one going from Rolls Royce to Volvo) and give margin-right:-3px to this
 class.
 (There are surely other fixes, but they require more changes to the markup.)

 Hth,
 Bruno


 [1] http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html

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Re: [css-d] Dissapearing elements in IE6

2007-07-25 Thread Bruno Fassino
On 7/25/07, Erik Gyepes wrote:

 I don't understand it, but it really works. Do you have any references
 to that bug or something so I can understand that?

I don't have any other reference than
http://www.brunildo.org/test/IE_raf3.html, which is an attempt to
shortly sum up these type of problems and possible solutions.
As for understanding  I really have no idea :-), it's a bug, or a
combination of different bugs, and it's also pretty elusive...

 What other changes you think? I can change the mark up.

For example the addition of an empty element (div/div) between the
AP box and the floats also fixes the problem. This is not better than
the margin-right workaround, but I mentioned it because in same cases
it seems to be the only stable solution.

Bruno
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Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets

2007-07-25 Thread Rick Lecoat
At 18:42 (London time), on 24/7/07, James Gadrow said:

I don't know of too many, I've not mucked around too much with them yet. 
However, I know of Jaws (you can download a free trial but I believe 
after that there's a registration fee) or, if you're using firefox, 
there's a free plugin called FireVox.

For those of us using Macs there is also an interesting article at
456bereastreet.com giving an introduction to Mac OSX's built-in screen-
reading software called Voiceover -- a handy tool that most mac users
will never have even tried out.

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200505/
voiceover_and_safari_screen_reading_on_the_mac/#main

Using VoiceOver was an interesting experience, but I have no idea how
VoiceOver compares with 'proper' (ie. dedicated) screen reader software
like Jaws, and therefore do not know whether the experience it provides
should be treated as an accurate gauge of how accessible a site is in
this regard.

I'd love to hear other people's views but this might be getting a bit
off topic for the list? Perhaps a discussion of screen readers is too
much like a discussion about browsers... 

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Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets

2007-07-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On Wed, July 25, 2007 10:51 am, Rick Lecoat wrote:
 I'd love to hear other people's views but this might be getting a bit
 off topic for the list? Perhaps a discussion of screen readers is too
 much like a discussion about browsers...

Probably even more off-topic than a discussion of browsers: a screen
reader isn't a browser at all. The developers of assistive technologies
such as Jaws tend to put much more effort into making them work well with
applications like Excel than they do for browsers.

I think the belief that screen readers are only, or primarily, used for
surfing the web is probably the single most common misconception about
assistive technologies. They can and do interface to IE and Firefox, but
they are used for a lot more than that.

Regards,

Nick.
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[css-d] CSS site with asp/html not working in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Suzanne . Vening

Hi!

I have something happening with a website only in Firefox, even though the
site was designed for Firefox/Opera, and then IE issues were taken care of
with conditional comments.

I cannot duplicate the problem in IE6/7 or Opera.  I am running Firefox
2.0.0.5.  Another developer running, Firefox 1.5.0.1 on a Linux box sent me
a screen shot where the problem did not occur, although my copyright was
off.

I did the site design and coding, but someone else is handling the asp
part.  They are pulling the application into my design shell so to speak.

I don't know a lot about asp, but I cannot imagine that the error is asp
related, since this is working in Opera and IE6/7.  I was really surprised
to see that it worked in Opera and not Firefox, as typically if one of my
sites works in Firefox, it works in Opera, at least with my experience.

The problem is occurring with the Find Licensee.  When entering a county
such as Rankin, which has a very long list of licensees, all of the data is
sent to the page, but just after the H listings, the page goes white.  If
you look at the source code, the data is there, but it is not displayed,
and the page is white where the data should be.  Once the data ends, the
footer appears as it should.

In Firefox, there is a min-height and height:auto set on the main content
areas in order to keep the box on the right where it is, but no max-height
is set, which is what the asp developer asked me about.  For IE6/7, a
height has been set.

The website and the app are currently on two different servers and are
using different URLs.

The site is  http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/  and currently, the link to
the Find Licensee is not on the site, so use this link to see the issue:
http://www.mrec.state.ms.us/findrealtornew.asp.  The css file is
http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/advanced.css

I am really stumped on this one..I've only been using CSS for a few
years, and have only created a handful of tabless site designs, so I am
guessing it will be something silly I have done.

Thanks so much for your help,

Suzanne

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Re: [css-d] Aural Style Sheets

2007-07-25 Thread Denise

 Probably even more off-topic than a discussion of browsers: a screen
 reader isn't a browser at all.

Of course, I never intended for this to be a discussion of various screen
readers, but of whether creating aural cascading style sheets (ACSS) held
value for those who use screen readers.  As a few have pointed out, when
ACSS are created by a sighted person with no experience in using screen
readers, one could make the browser experience more frustrating rather than
less.

I've read that the downloadable free trial of JAWS is applicable for 40
minutes.  After that time you must reboot your computer and then can run the
program again.  This apparently can be done repeatedly.  This product can be
found here: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp

For the moment I'll be focusing on following the W3C guidelines as much as
possible with a primary focus on adding keyboard accessibility, skip
navigation links, etc.  For those who are interested, I found the following
site to have the most complete information on making your pages accessible:
http://www.webaim.org/.

Thanks to all for your feedback,
Denise

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Re: [css-d] CSS site with asp/html not working in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Suzanne . Vening

Hi Ian,

Yes, the second link I included gets you to the Find Licensee page.  I
mentioned in the email that the link was not currrently working on the
site; the site is still in production.  ;-)

You should use http://www.mrec.state.ms.us/findrealtornew.asp, and enter
Rankin for the county name to see the problem.

Thank you!

Suzanne


Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
cc:
From: Ian Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [css-d] CSS site with asp/html not working in Firefox


 Hi!

 I have something happening with a website only in Firefox, even though
the
 site was designed for Firefox/Opera, and then IE issues were taken care
of
 with conditional comments.
...

 The problem is occurring with the Find Licensee.  When entering a county
 such as Rankin, which has a very long list of licensees, all of
 the data is
 sent to the page, but just after the H listings, the page goes white.  If
 you look at the source code, the data is there, but it is not displayed,
 and the page is white where the data should be.  Once the data ends, the
 footer appears as it should.

 In Firefox, there is a min-height and height:auto set on the main content
 areas in order to keep the box on the right where it is, but no
max-height
 is set, which is what the asp developer asked me about.  For IE6/7, a
 height has been set.

 The website and the app are currently on two different servers and are
 using different URLs.

 The site is  http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/  and currently, the link
to
 the Find Licensee is not on the site, so use this link to see the issue:
 http://www.mrec.state.ms.us/findrealtornew.asp.  The css file is
 http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/advanced.css


Hi Suzanne

Cannot see the problem as the tes tpage doesn't link to the Fin Licensee
page.

Ian
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[css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
  Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and if 
there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I have any 
errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can improve on I 
would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am also interested 
to hear also how it looks in computers with different resolutions-it looks fine 
for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all your help along the way.

http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm

   
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Re: [css-d] Positioning Issues with CSSPlay Simple Photo Gallery

2007-07-25 Thread J Hodge
Arian,

Thank you!  Your solution worked like a charm.  My
apologies for not replying sooner; bit insane at the
moment trying to get the decks cleared before an
anticipated surgery.

Again, thank you very much!

~~J.  
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[css-d] Site Check and Bughunting, Please

2007-07-25 Thread J Hodge
Good afternoon!

It would be fabulous if I could get a site check on my
current project:

Test site -
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/index.html

Test CSS - 
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/primary.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/print.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/mobile.html

I'm looking specifically for issues in common Mac and
*nix browsers, IE6 (the standalone version I have
seems to be rendering worse than IE5.5, which doesn't
seem correct), and on handheld / mobile devices.

The only thing that should not be functioning is the
Submit button on the form page, and the photogallery
may not work as expected in Safari and Opera, due to
the handling of :hover (still need to tweak that).

Also, does anybody have any ideas on how to feed in
certain styles in a way that they will be rendered if,
and only if, javascript is not functioning?  The
specific issue I have in mind is that I am using
Ruzee's RoundedCorners for the dropshadowed areas, and
implementing it requires removing background-color
from the applicable selectors and instead including it
in script-specific styles, leaving no background-color
for those areas when javascript is not working /
turned off.

Thank you in advance for the time and attention.

~~J.
treswife at gmail dot com
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[css-d] IE6 issues, float related?

2007-07-25 Thread Ray Leventhal
Hi all,

Thanks to browsershots, I see I've an issue in Win/IE6 (at least) with
form fields acting strangely near a float.

Page:
http://www.cprtools.net/datarecovery/requestform.php


CSS:
http://www.cprtools.net/datarecovery/styles/style.css

WinIE6 Screenshot:
http://www.cprtools.net/datarecovery/win.ie6.issue.png

The page validates for CSS and XHTML Strict, and looks as I expected
(intended) for it to look in most browsers other than WinIE6.  There,
the portions of the form to the left of my right floated div, is
misaligned as are the labels for the form elements.  I'm thinking this
is a 'has layout' issue, but am just not sure how to 'fix' it.

The page does break on UA resizing, but I've been told not to worry
about that (by the guy who signs the check), so I'm not (for the moment).

This is not a crucial issue as usability isn't at stake, but any
suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
~Ray
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Re: [css-d] Site Check and Bughunting, Please

2007-07-25 Thread Hakan K
It looks ok on Firefox 2
5659 McAdam Road, Unit 4A
Mississauga, Ontario L4Z 1N9 Canada
Toll-Free: 800-481-4513 | Fax: 905-502-6778  can be better bold for
Firefox..It looks bold on IE7





IE shows Toll-Free: 800-481-4513 | Fax: 905-502-6778 line slightly cut at
the bottom.

http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/mobile.html
Not found



Thanks
Troy
http://dominor.com

On 7/25/07, J Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good afternoon!

 It would be fabulous if I could get a site check on my
 current project:

 Test site -
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/index.html

 Test CSS -
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/primary.css
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/print.css
 http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/mobile.html

 I'm looking specifically for issues in common Mac and
 *nix browsers, IE6 (the standalone version I have
 seems to be rendering worse than IE5.5, which doesn't
 seem correct), and on handheld / mobile devices.

 The only thing that should not be functioning is the
 Submit button on the form page, and the photogallery
 may not work as expected in Safari and Opera, due to
 the handling of :hover (still need to tweak that).

 Also, does anybody have any ideas on how to feed in
 certain styles in a way that they will be rendered if,
 and only if, javascript is not functioning?  The
 specific issue I have in mind is that I am using
 Ruzee's RoundedCorners for the dropshadowed areas, and
 implementing it requires removing background-color
 from the applicable selectors and instead including it
 in script-specific styles, leaving no background-color
 for those areas when javascript is not working /
 turned off.

 Thank you in advance for the time and attention.

 ~~J.
 treswife at gmail dot com
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread Hakan K
I checked with IE7 and Firefox. 2.0.0.5

I could not see any major problem. Firefox shows the blue tab texts
like  Medarc
Ltd.How we can help too close to top not vertically middle


Thanks

Troy
http://dominor.com


On 7/25/07, trevor bayliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very
 complicated stuff and I nearly turned back to tables!
   Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think
 and if there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If
 I have any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can
 improve on I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am
 also interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different
 resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for
 all your help along the way.

 http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm


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Re: [css-d] Site Check

2007-07-25 Thread Sophie Van Waesberghe
For the gap after the header: rather than getting rid of the spacing in
the HTML try:

img {
vertical-align: bottom;
}

I forget the entire explanation, but essentially what happens is that
IE6 leaves a gap to allow for descenders (the bits of letters that stick
out downwards). Of course, images won't have descenders, but the gap
stays. This only applies to images that are set to display inline.

Hope that helps :)

Sophie

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Sent: 24 July 2007 22:45
To: Your Name; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] Site Check

Hi Matthew,

I got rid of the 4 pixel gap by removing extra spaces in the html code
for the header section:
div id=header
div id=header_leftimg src=images/left_corner_patch.jpg
alt=Top half of patch. height=88 width=141/div
div id=header_centerimg src=images/header_center.jpg
alt=Website logo. height=88 width=300/div
div id=header_rightimg src=images/right_corner_creators.jpg
alt=Creators of the website. height=88 width=324/div
div class=clear/div
/div

Not sure why but adding border: 1px solid #f2aa20; to the .leftnav
li
styling in the CSS file removes the extra space in the left nav.
any color works, but if change it to a 0px border the extra space comes
back.
So, it's a hack, but maybe you can use it as a starting point to figure
out the problem.

.leftnav li {
font-family: Times New Roman, Times, serif;
font-size: 12pt;
text-align: center;
line-height: 18pt;
border: 1px solid #f2aa20;
}

Be Well,
Joe

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Subject: [css-d] Site Check



 I am looking for a site check before I begin to add content to this
site.

 The HTML link is: http://www.eddysound.com/filing/

 The CSS link is: http://www.eddysound.com/filing/style/epso.css

 First, I have a few problems in IE 6.  There is a 4 pixel gap between
the
header and content div.  Why is this?  Of course Firefox shows it
correctly
without the gap.  Any ideas on how to fix this?

 Second, is there a better way to style my secondary and tertiary
navigation in regards to line height / padding / margin?  In IE 6 the
navigation becomes extremely spacious and looks terrible.  Any help or
suggestions would be greatly appreciates to fix this.  I am currently
using
the line-height attribute but feel there might be a better way.

 If you have any other suggestions or ways in which I can make this
site
better please feel free to let me know.

 Thanks,

 Matthew Stoneback

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Re: [css-d] Table extending past 100% of browser window width

2007-07-25 Thread Parag Jagdale
Does anyone have any ideas? I have scoured the internet for a solution and
the only one I found close to helping me is this:
http://blog.gilluminate.com/2005/10/12/large-tables-inside-of-css-two-column-layout-causes-problems

Applying the solutions means adding more scroll bars. I would definitely
like to avoid more scroll bars as having even two or three similar tables
would make the page very confusing.
You COULD add just one div for the whole page and scroll it, but I wouldn't
want to try to find where that div would fit best for every page.

Thanks,
Parag
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[css-d] Firefox behaviour - Child element margins applied to parent elements instead

2007-07-25 Thread Tony Haddon
Hi All,

I hope this isn't something that's come up before. Seeing as it's not in the
lists of usual bugs in browsers, I'm guessing it might be my ignorance
rather than a poorly implemented recommendation. I hope someone can
enlighten me as it's something that's repeatedly come up and I've never
found a way around it other than the one I'll outline which isn't what I
want at all...

I've built a proof of concept. See link below

http://www.tonyhaddon.com/cssbug/test.html


Markup here is

-

?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-2126/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd

html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
 head
  meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
  style type=text/css media=screen
  @import url('includes/cssbug.css');
  /style
 titleTest Page/title

 /head
 body
 div id=outer
  div id=inner
  h1Header/h1
  /div
 /div


 /body
/html

-
And my CSS is:

body {
  background: #cc;
  padding: 0;
  margin: 0;
}

#outer {
  width: 900px;
  background: #ff;
}

#inner {
  height: 100px;
  /*border: solid 1px;*/
}

h1 {
  margin: 50px 0 0 10px;
  padding: 0;
  background-color: Red;
}


-

My problem lies in the margin I've applied to the h1 element here. It ought
to offset the h1 block from the containing #inner element. In IE6 it works
as planned, but Firefox appears to apply the margin to the element two steps
up the tree e.g. the #outer element.

The only fix I have been able to find is putting a border on the #inner
element (see example at
http://www.tonyhaddon.com/cssbug/test2.html)http://www.tonyhaddon.com/cssbug/test2.html.
This seems to apply the padding in all the right places... but now I have a
border on my #inner that I don't want!

Can anyone make any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Tony
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Re: [css-d] display: none and Google

2007-07-25 Thread Hakan K
I can only see a positive outcome from this change.. As long as you do not
cheat, you should be ok ..






Thanks
Troy
http://7seo.com

On 7/23/07, Richard Grevers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 7/24/07, H. Bartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  if I use a span inside a headline to substitute a .png image with text
 in IE5.5 which is set to display: none, does this effect Google or general
 search engine indexing in a negative way?
 
  It usually looks like:
  h2img src=images/img.png alt=one or two words width=170
 height=18 /spanone or two words/span/h2
 
 Googlebot (and bots in general) will ignore the stylesheet, so it will
 read and index the text which you hide.
 However, there was a passing fad for keyword spamming by stuffing lots
 of (usually off-topic) keywords into an element with inline styling to
 hide it - until search bots started detecting and punishing that. I
 believe the bots are clever enough to discriminate between keyword
 stuffing and normal Image replacement methods, however. Just stick to
 having the text match the alt attribute and you should be fine.

 --
 Richard Grevers, New Plymouth, New Zealand
 Dramatic Design www.dramatic.co.nz
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[css-d] Background image not centring correctly in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Seona Bellamy
Heya,

I was under the impression that by setting the background-position to
center center you could get your background image sitting in the middle of
the screen. IE is doing this just fine, but with Firefox I am finding that
the image sits right up at the top, half off the screen. You can see it in
action at http://www.frontandback.com.au/temp/

What have I done wrong? The CSS is in the head of the document for purposes
of debuging this. As you can see, there's not much to it so I doubt it's
being thrown out by something else.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Seona.
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[css-d] my CSS is often working offline but not online , why is that so?

2007-07-25 Thread lavinia Ebert
Hi, why is it that the behaviour from the browsers is offline different to 
online? The browsers (testing on IE6, Opera, Fireforx2 and Netscape) are 
interpretating my CSS often differently offline and online. 
  Can I do something about this? Its an annoying process to have to upload 
everything again and again to see when the code is finally working correctly...
   
  regards, Lavinia

   
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Re: [css-d] CSS site with asp/html not working in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Ian Young
 Hi!

 I have something happening with a website only in Firefox, even though the
 site was designed for Firefox/Opera, and then IE issues were taken care of
 with conditional comments.
...

 The problem is occurring with the Find Licensee.  When entering a county
 such as Rankin, which has a very long list of licensees, all of
 the data is
 sent to the page, but just after the H listings, the page goes white.  If
 you look at the source code, the data is there, but it is not displayed,
 and the page is white where the data should be.  Once the data ends, the
 footer appears as it should.

 In Firefox, there is a min-height and height:auto set on the main content
 areas in order to keep the box on the right where it is, but no max-height
 is set, which is what the asp developer asked me about.  For IE6/7, a
 height has been set.

 The website and the app are currently on two different servers and are
 using different URLs.

 The site is  http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/  and currently, the link to
 the Find Licensee is not on the site, so use this link to see the issue:
 http://www.mrec.state.ms.us/findrealtornew.asp.  The css file is
 http://www.mrec.ms.gov/testphase/advanced.css


Hi Suzanne

Cannot see the problem as the tes tpage doesn't link to the Fin Licensee
page.

Ian
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Re: [css-d] Layout breaks in Firefox 2, but only sometimes

2007-07-25 Thread Hakan K
They look ok on my end.. firefox
 2.0.0.5 PC



Thanks
Troy
http://dominor.com
On 7/25/07, Anne E . Shroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 big conundrum:  In firefox my pages break (center and right column drop
 down below level of left column), but not always.  If I refresh they are
 fine.  It's very uneven behavior. It seems to be just fine in IE - and this
 problem occurs is only on Firefox 2.* on the PC.

 Examples of pages that are breaking:

 http://www.currentflash.com/alma/web/programming/rnd04/template_natural_sciences.php

 http://www.currentflash.com/alma/web/programming/rnd04/template_pre_professional.php

 It would seem that the div definitions are too wide and so are  being
 dropped down, but in this case why does the page sometimes work?  Any
 insights much appreciated.

 Anne

 
 Anne Shroeder
 Web Developer
 Language Works, specializing in multi-lingual web site development
 www.language-works.com
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Re: [css-d] Background image not centring correctly in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Ricky Zhou
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Seona Bellamy wrote:
 Heya,
 
 I was under the impression that by setting the background-position to
 center center you could get your background image sitting in the middle of
 the screen. IE is doing this just fine, but with Firefox I am finding that
 the image sits right up at the top, half off the screen. You can see it in
 action at http://www.frontandback.com.au/temp/
You need to set html, body { height: 100%; }.  Otherwise body should
only be as high as its content.

Hope this helps,
Ricky
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Re: [css-d] Site Check and Bughunting, Please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
checking it on the w3.org validator it says it is Tentatively valid so it 
wouldn´t hurt to get that sorted out. 
  The css validator shows two errors:
  
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lostinxlation.net%2Fsandbox1%2Findex.html
   
  If you put padding: 0px; that should sort that one out I think
   
  HTHs I´m learning this too!
  

J Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Good afternoon!

It would be fabulous if I could get a site check on my
current project:

Test site -
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/index.html

Test CSS - 
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/primary.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/print.css
http://www.lostinxlation.net/sandbox1/mobile.html

I'm looking specifically for issues in common Mac and
*nix browsers, IE6 (the standalone version I have
seems to be rendering worse than IE5.5, which doesn't
seem correct), and on handheld / mobile devices.

The only thing that should not be functioning is the
Submit button on the form page, and the photogallery
may not work as expected in Safari and Opera, due to
the handling of :hover (still need to tweak that).

Also, does anybody have any ideas on how to feed in
certain styles in a way that they will be rendered if,
and only if, javascript is not functioning? The
specific issue I have in mind is that I am using
Ruzee's RoundedCorners for the dropshadowed areas, and
implementing it requires removing background-color
from the applicable selectors and instead including it
in script-specific styles, leaving no background-color
for those areas when javascript is not working /
turned off.

Thank you in advance for the time and attention.

~~J.
treswife at gmail dot com
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Re: [css-d] my CSS is often working offline but not online , why is that so?

2007-07-25 Thread Hakan K
Check this out
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/xssi/





Thanks
Troy
http://dominor.com

On 7/25/07, lavinia Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, why is it that the behaviour from the browsers is offline different to
 online? The browsers (testing on IE6, Opera, Fireforx2 and Netscape) are
 interpretating my CSS often differently offline and online.
   Can I do something about this? Its an annoying process to have to upload
 everything again and again to see when the code is finally working
 correctly...

   regards, Lavinia


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Re: [css-d] Layout breaks in Firefox 2, but only sometimes

2007-07-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jul 26, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Anne E . Shroeder wrote:

 big conundrum:  In firefox my pages break (center and right column  
 drop down below level of left column), but not always.  If I  
 refresh they are fine.  It's very uneven behavior. It seems to be  
 just fine in IE - and this problem occurs is only on Firefox 2.* on  
 the PC.

 Examples of pages that are breaking:
 http://www.currentflash.com/alma/web/programming/rnd04/ 
 template_natural_sciences.php
 http://www.currentflash.com/alma/web/programming/rnd04/ 
 template_pre_professional.php

 It would seem that the div definitions are too wide and so are   
 being dropped down, but in this case why does the page sometimes  
 work?  Any insights much appreciated.

You are using 'display:table' on some of your divs, e.g.
#total_insidecontainer
{
width: 924px;
background:url(../siteimages/bg-across.gif) repeat-y;
display: table; 
}
There is an obscure bug in Gecko whereby using display table  
sometimes cause the parser to hang very briefly. The result is that  
some of your floated blocks may drop lower (as if the Gecko parser  
created a second table-row).

I guess (I didn't analyse your pages completely) you are using  
'display:table'  to contain floated blocks. You should consider using  
an alternative technique, like the 'easy clearing' method, or other  
methods listed on the wiki:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ClearingSpace

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[css-d] strange gecko (firefox/mozilla) appendchild behavior

2007-07-25 Thread Robert Van Dam
Take a look at these and tell me why the first one acts funny in
firefox/mozilla:

http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild.html

http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild2.html

I have a table (of actual raw data) that is being generated
dynamically but is relatively expensive to generate.  I wanted to make
it possible to sort the rows by clicking on the column header but
without going back to the server or requiring me to cache the entire
page.

So I dynamically generate js objects containing all the relevant data
and I got sorting working very cleaning using
mytable.appendChild(myrow) to rearrange the rows after I had resorted
them.  That all worked great, but here's the problem:

After the _second_ time you sort, firefox (2.0 on linux and 1.5 on
windows) and mozilla (1.7) mysteriously lose the borders on all of the
newly rearranged cells (plus some of the header ones that didn't
move).

I finally tracked down (thanks to firefox's dom inspector) that I was
generating a new tbody each time (because otherwise ie doesn't show
any of the rows) and for some reason firefox/mozilla don't seem to
apply stylesheet rules of the form table td to dynamically generated
rows that are in the third or later tbody.  However, it works fine in
konqueror and ie (6 and 7).

Since I've already fixed it I don't know if anyone will bother
responding but the why still has me perplexed.  Anyone have any
clues?  I'm not getting anything useful out of google at the moment.

(After a little more experimentation, it is only dynamically generated
tbodies that have this problem, a table with several static tbodies
has css applied just fine).
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Re: [css-d] Background image not centring correctly in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Seona Bellamy
Thanks Jerod and Ricky. That worked a treat.

Just out of curiosity, is there a nice easy way of vertically centring a
div? I seem to recall seeing this discussion once before and the conclusion
being that there isn't, but someone may have come up with a way since then.
(Well, I can dream...) :)

Cheers,

Seona.
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Re: [css-d] Table extending past 100% of browser window width

2007-07-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jul 25, 2007, at 4:42 AM, Parag Jagdale wrote:

  am having problems with tables that are too wide for a browser  
 window.
 The client has existing html code that they cannot change in the  
 near future
 and so I have to work with whats already there,
 and whats there is very very ugly.

 Here is the example: http://www.un-identified.com/ipa/example.html

 The containing div doesnt wrap around the whole table in both FF2  
 and IE7.

IE 6 is saved by its own stupidity here.
Other browsers do what the specs say, and in this case it has an  
unfortunately side effect...

I suppose you want the both the blue band and the white box  
containing the table to extend to the right when the table is very  
large.
A solution could be: wrap the whole page (including the footer,  
depending on the styling you want there) in a div, and float that div  
(div {float:left}). Do _not_ set a width on that div. But you might  
need to set a min-width:100% to make sure it fills the viewport when  
there is little content (avoiding shrink-wrapping).

(warning: untested, but should work well in most modern browsers.  
please report back :-))

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Re: [css-d] strange gecko (firefox/mozilla) appendchild behavior

2007-07-25 Thread Robert Van Dam
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#edef-TBODY

When present, each THEAD, TFOOT, and TBODY contains a row group. Each
row group must contain at least one row, defined by the TR element.

So it looks like an empty tbody isn't valid so mozilla/firefox is just
being less forgiving than the others.

Rob

On 7/25/07, Robert Van Dam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Update:

 The problem seems to be specifically that an empty tbody breaks the
 border-collapse: collapse; algorithm.

 I should have realized that border-collapse was part of the problem
 because the other css was still working.

 Try this in your favorite gecko based browser

 style type=text/css
 table, td { border-collapse: collapse; border: 1px solid black; }
 /style

 table
 tbodytrtd1/tdtd2/td/tr/tbody
 tbody/tbody
 tbodytrtd3/tdtd4/td/tr/tbody
 /table

 On 7/25/07, Robert Van Dam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Take a look at these and tell me why the first one acts funny in
  firefox/mozilla:
 
  http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild.html
 
  http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild2.html
 
  I have a table (of actual raw data) that is being generated
  dynamically but is relatively expensive to generate.  I wanted to make
  it possible to sort the rows by clicking on the column header but
  without going back to the server or requiring me to cache the entire
  page.
 
  So I dynamically generate js objects containing all the relevant data
  and I got sorting working very cleaning using
  mytable.appendChild(myrow) to rearrange the rows after I had resorted
  them.  That all worked great, but here's the problem:
 
  After the _second_ time you sort, firefox (2.0 on linux and 1.5 on
  windows) and mozilla (1.7) mysteriously lose the borders on all of the
  newly rearranged cells (plus some of the header ones that didn't
  move).
 
  I finally tracked down (thanks to firefox's dom inspector) that I was
  generating a new tbody each time (because otherwise ie doesn't show
  any of the rows) and for some reason firefox/mozilla don't seem to
  apply stylesheet rules of the form table td to dynamically generated
  rows that are in the third or later tbody.  However, it works fine in
  konqueror and ie (6 and 7).
 
  Since I've already fixed it I don't know if anyone will bother
  responding but the why still has me perplexed.  Anyone have any
  clues?  I'm not getting anything useful out of google at the moment.
 
  (After a little more experimentation, it is only dynamically generated
  tbodies that have this problem, a table with several static tbodies
  has css applied just fine).
 

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[css-d] Javascript stops CSS Validation

2007-07-25 Thread Christopher Blake
Hi,

If it helps, this is the page I am trying to validate the CSS for:
http://www.3pointdesign.com/

I am trying here:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

and this is what I get:
Servlet has thrown exception:javax.servlet.ServletException: Timed out

What shall I do?

Oh, and WC3 have changed their site a bit:
http://validator.w3.org/
Now you can fancy blue wc3 validation icons - woo woo!

Chris Blake: Visit my Website at 3 Point
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread David Laakso
trevor bayliss wrote:
 Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
 stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
   Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and 
 if there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I 
 have any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can 
 improve on I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am 
 also interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different 
 resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all 
 your help along the way.

 http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm


   


Trevor,

You are getting there.

You will know things are working relatively well cross-browser when  in 
IE6.0  you do not drop the far right column float (as it does now) when 
she is in accessibility mode at text-size /largest/ with the 
/ignore font sizes specified on Web pages/ box  checked [1].

Some /first steps/ toward that goal, might be:

1/ Re-set this:
body { font: /*0.9875em*/ 90% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; 
text-align: center; }
to (default):
body { font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; text-align: 
center; }

2/ Re-set this:
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}
to (ditch the pixel font and pixel line-height):
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
76%/1.4 tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}

3/ Reduce the font-size of the headings (h2-h6) and content text (p) as 
necessary.

[1] To put IE6 in accessibiliy mode at text-size largest:
Go to:
ToolsInternet OptionsAccessibilityCheck box that reads: ignore font 
sizes specified on Web pages
Then go to: ViewText SizeLargest

Best,

~dL








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Re: [css-d] strange gecko (firefox/mozilla) appendchild behavior

2007-07-25 Thread Robert Van Dam
Update:

The problem seems to be specifically that an empty tbody breaks the
border-collapse: collapse; algorithm.

I should have realized that border-collapse was part of the problem
because the other css was still working.

Try this in your favorite gecko based browser

style type=text/css
table, td { border-collapse: collapse; border: 1px solid black; }
/style

table
tbodytrtd1/tdtd2/td/tr/tbody
tbody/tbody
tbodytrtd3/tdtd4/td/tr/tbody
/table

On 7/25/07, Robert Van Dam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Take a look at these and tell me why the first one acts funny in
 firefox/mozilla:

 http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild.html

 http://rvandam.com/test_appendchild2.html

 I have a table (of actual raw data) that is being generated
 dynamically but is relatively expensive to generate.  I wanted to make
 it possible to sort the rows by clicking on the column header but
 without going back to the server or requiring me to cache the entire
 page.

 So I dynamically generate js objects containing all the relevant data
 and I got sorting working very cleaning using
 mytable.appendChild(myrow) to rearrange the rows after I had resorted
 them.  That all worked great, but here's the problem:

 After the _second_ time you sort, firefox (2.0 on linux and 1.5 on
 windows) and mozilla (1.7) mysteriously lose the borders on all of the
 newly rearranged cells (plus some of the header ones that didn't
 move).

 I finally tracked down (thanks to firefox's dom inspector) that I was
 generating a new tbody each time (because otherwise ie doesn't show
 any of the rows) and for some reason firefox/mozilla don't seem to
 apply stylesheet rules of the form table td to dynamically generated
 rows that are in the third or later tbody.  However, it works fine in
 konqueror and ie (6 and 7).

 Since I've already fixed it I don't know if anyone will bother
 responding but the why still has me perplexed.  Anyone have any
 clues?  I'm not getting anything useful out of google at the moment.

 (After a little more experimentation, it is only dynamically generated
 tbodies that have this problem, a table with several static tbodies
 has css applied just fine).

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Re: [css-d] display: none and Google

2007-07-25 Thread H. Bartel
On 24.07.2007 11:17 Uhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It usually looks like: h2img src=images/img.png alt=one or two
words width=170 height=18
/spanone or two words/span/h2

Googlebot (and bots in general) will ignore the stylesheet, so it will
read and index the text which you hide. However, there was a passing
fad for keyword spamming by stuffing lots of (usually off-topic)
keywords into an element with inline styling to hide it - until search
bots started detecting and punishing that. I believe the bots are
clever enough to discriminate between keyword stuffing and normal
Image replacement methods, however. Just stick to having the text
match the alt attribute and you should be fine.

Hi,

I have read about it some more and after evaluating the 
possibilities I have changed display: none to  absolutely 
positioning the elements far off the page, like left: -1px. 
This works the same and is the safer way.

For those of you who are interested:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200510/google_seo_and_using_css_to_hide_text/

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [css-d] CSS site with asp/html not working in Firefox

2007-07-25 Thread Ingo Chao
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...
 You should use http://www.mrec.state.ms.us/findrealtornew.asp, and enter
 Rankin for the county name to see the problem.

 ... The problem is occurring with the Find Licensee.  When entering a county
 such as Rankin, which has a very long list of licensees, all of
 the data is
 sent to the page, but just after the H listings, the page goes white.  If
 you look at the source code, the data is there, but it is not displayed,
 and the page is white where the data should be.  Once the data ends, the
 footer appears as it should.

 In Firefox, there is a min-height and height:auto set on the main content
 areas in order to keep the box on the right where it is, but no
 max-height
 is set, which is what the asp developer asked me about.  For IE6/7, a
 height has been set.


Looks like
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242582
large table doesn't get rendered all the way to the bottom

This problem seems to be related on your overflow:auto setting in
#colorbarcontent /* advanced.css (line 223) */

Did not look into it, but I guess its about containing floats?

Remove that overflow and insert float:left, at least in firebug this 
works for me.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

2007-07-25 Thread trevor bayliss
David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   trevor bayliss wrote:
 Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
 stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
 Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and if 
 there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I have 
 any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can improve on 
 I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am also 
 interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different 
 resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all 
 your help along the way.

 http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm


 


Trevor,

You are getting there.

You will know things are working relatively well cross-browser when in 
IE6.0 you do not drop the far right column float (as it does now) when 
she is in accessibility mode at text-size /largest/ with the 
/ignore font sizes specified on Web pages/ box checked [1].

Some /first steps/ toward that goal, might be:

1/ Re-set this:
body { font: /*0.9875em*/ 90% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; 
text-align: center; }
to (default):
body { font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; text-align: 
center; }

2/ Re-set this:
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}
to (ditch the pixel font and pixel line-height):
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
76%/1.4 tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}

3/ Reduce the font-size of the headings (h2-h6) and content text (p) as 
necessary.

[1] To put IE6 in accessibiliy mode at text-size largest:
Go to:
ToolsInternet OptionsAccessibilityCheck box that reads: ignore font 
sizes specified on Web pages
Then go to: ViewText SizeLargest

Best,

~dL








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Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those changes 
http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to make it 
look smarter. The AccessibilityCheck box that reads: ignore font sizes I 
have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to square one again now! I have 
no idea where to start to sort out the problem the cl div (which is the 
offending one) is floated right. The only tools I have knowledge of are clear 
for this case. I will try clearing right and clearing left and clearing both 
and see what happens. 
   
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[css-d] Maps, Google or Virtual Earth use

2007-07-25 Thread Mcdaniel, Brett
I am wondering if anyone out there is using either Google Maps or
Virtual Earth?  Have you been able to embed stuff into a CSS file if you
have?  Just starting a project with maps and wanted to know how people
are doing them.

 

Brett

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