Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Nancy

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From: Bill Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 the next release of IE8 was coming out in August, but
 the MS site is still just offering Beta 1


 Here:
 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/internet-explorer-8-beta-2-now-available.aspx

 and here:
 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/

 Best,
 Bill


Thanks! I'll install it tomorrow night. 

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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Alan K Baker
Very brave. grin

Regards, 
 
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  Thanks! I'll install it tomorrow night. 

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Re: [css-d] Pseudo frame and Skip to Content, unexpected behaviour

2008-08-28 Thread Rachel Mawhood
Hi Georg

Thank you for suggesting that - I tried it but in 
Firefox on a pc the effect is to push the content 
175 pixels down the computer screen below the 
pseudo frame, ie creating a big empty space 
between the masthead image and the start of the 
text.  But I am grateful to you, all the same, for giving this so much thought.

Kind regards
Rachel

At 02:27 28/08/2008, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Rachel Mawhood wrote:

  When one uses the keyboard shortcut for Skip to Content (access key
  S, to a div called content) on this site,
 
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/uk/access.php

  which has a pseudo frame at the top, the browser doesn't seem to
  recognise that the content div is located further down the browser
  screen than the pseudo frame div.

That's normal for in-page anchors - they always end up on top of the
browser-window.

The trick is to make the anchor (top of content) run to the top of the
browser-window, while the content stays below the pseudo frame div.

Several ways to do this - depending on design, but I chose to offset the
#content div using the existing 'position: relative' in this example...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/test_08_0827.html

See if it's close enough for comfort, and if so you'll find the altered
and added styles commented here...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/test_08_0827_files/isoconso.css

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Re: [css-d] IE7, background-image - displays OK on one page but not on the others

2008-08-28 Thread Christian Kirchhoff
Hello,

I started deleting parts of your page (of the html code) and recognized 
that after I deleted the footer, the.#fauxframe was displayed. Then I 
inserted the footer again and started commenting out its CSS 
definitions. That way I found out that if you delete the height: 1%; for 
the footer, the the #fauxframe is displayed:

#footer, #pieddepage, #seitenende {
clear: both;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 3em 20em;
font-size: 70%;
/*height: 1%;*/ -- comment this out
text-align: left;
} 

Don't aks me why that fotter style influences the #fauxframe , because 
honestly I don't know. ;)

Best regards,

Christian Kirchhoff
*Directmedia Publishing GmbH* · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin
www.digitale-bibliothek.de
AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737
Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski


Rachel Mawhood schrieb:
 Hello list

 Well, I've tried a number of things - clear:both, zoom:1, min-height, 
 removing the mask.gif, etc - but nothing so far has worked.  I have 
 Googled the problem, looked at positioniseeverything and other 
 bug-fixing sites, but without finding the solution.  It is so far 
 completely baffling.  I have read that IE7 has a problem rendering 
 elements with background images whose parent and/or child also 
 contains a background image (as is the case here, in that the body 
 has a tiled background image) but it is so strange that, in this 
 case, it is OK on one page and not on the others.

 In MSIE 7 this page displays the image of the trumpets and organ 
 pipes as intended

 http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/members/index.php

 It uses exactly the same css files and template as these pages, on 
 which the image cannot be made to appear in IE7, eg

 http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/board/index.php
 http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/congress/index.php

 The CSS files are here (I've taken the index.html file out of this 
 directory for the time being)

 http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/styles/isoconsole.css
 http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/styles/iso-images.css

 I can't remove the tiled background image in the body because the 
 client specifically wanted this.

 I would be very grateful indeed for any pointers to why the Members 
 page is OK and the others are not OK with the image at the top of the page.

 TVIA
 Rachel

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Re: [css-d] Pseudo frame and Skip to Content, unexpected behaviour

2008-08-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Mawhood wrote:

 Thank you for suggesting that - I tried it but in Firefox on a pc the
  effect is to push the content 175 pixels down the computer screen 
 below the pseudo frame, ie creating a big empty space between the 
 masthead image and the start of the text.

You've forgotten to check the CSS for my example...

 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/test_08_0827.html

...as the 175px margin-top on #page-container has to be removed first,
and a margin-top of 175px be added to #stoplist to get the correct
line-up - before offsetting #content.
It's all commented as /* altered */ and /* added */ in my CSS file...

 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/rm/test_08_0827_files/isoconso.css

That's why my example is working as intended while your test didn't, and
mine is tested in Firefox 2.0.0.16 / 3.01 and Opera 9.5 on a PC.

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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Nancy Johnson
I had some additional questions, in previous conversations regarding
IE8, it wasn't clear to me whether IE8 supports conditional comments
the same way as other versions of IE do.

Does it support conditional comments?  If not how would you have a
separate Style sheet for IE8?

For instance I had a page the browsershots.org indicated broke in IE8
but was fine in IE6 and 7, Firefox and Safari.

Thanks in advance,

Nancy

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Alan K Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very brave. grin

 Regards,

 Alan.

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 www.virtualtheatreorgans.com
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 Shopsmith 520 + bits
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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Alan K Baker wrote:
 Very brave. grin
 
 Regards, 
  
 Alan.


Hello Alan, the brave indeed.

Guess what, IE8b2 seems to be to one of the most standard compliant 
CSS2.1 browsers. I know that seems odd to say about IE but they at MS 
have really done a good job with my bug list. :-)

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ie-bugs.htm


I can see bugs in only a few pages (my no mercy CSS).

http://css-class.com/test/css/overflow/float-container-overflow.htm

http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/bears5ddh-kbaccess.htm


They kindly left one possible CSS hack when using the XML prolog.

http://css-class.com/test/css/selectors/ie7hacktargetingopera.htm


I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download properly. 
Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a refresh is 
needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems to be missing 
here and there and then appears when scrolling. The weird bugs that are 
not reproducible.

Now we just have to wait for IE9 and CSS3. :-(


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Re: [css-d] IE7, background-image - displays OK on one page but not on the others

2008-08-28 Thread Rachel Mawhood
Hi Christian

That way I found out that if you delete the 
height: 1%; for the footer, the the #fauxframe is displayed:

That worked like a magic charm - I am so relieved - thank you.

However, in IE 6 it resulted in the footer 
relocating itself halfway up the page, so I put 
back the height but with an underscore in front of it, ie

_height: 1%;/* to fix footer to bottom of screen in IE6 */

and that did return to the footer to the bottom 
of the screen in IE6.  Somewhere I have read, 
though, that using underscore like this is not a 
good idea (though it works).  When I have time, I could try substituting

* html body div#footer, div#pieddepage, div#seitenende {
   height: 1%;
   }

which, I understand, is visible only to IE6, not 
to IE7, but I don't know if that would be better coding.

Don't aks me why that fotter style influences 
the #fauxframe , because honestly I don't know. ;)

CSS is full of things like this, isn't it?  I 
more than half-expected the solution to be completely illogical  :-)

This is a wonderful list; I hope that I can give 
back to it as much good as I have derived from it.

Kind regards
Rachel


At 10:27 28/08/2008, Christian Kirchhoff wrote:
Hello,

I started deleting parts of your page (of the html code) and recognized
that after I deleted the footer, the.#fauxframe was displayed. Then I
inserted the footer again and started commenting out its CSS
definitions. That way I found out that if you delete the height: 1%; for
the footer, the the #fauxframe is displayed:

#footer, #pieddepage, #seitenende {
clear: both;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 3em 20em;
font-size: 70%;
/*height: 1%;*/ -- comment this out
text-align: left;
}

Don't aks me why that fotter style influences the #fauxframe , because
honestly I don't know. ;)

Best regards,

Christian Kirchhoff
*Directmedia Publishing GmbH* · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin
www.digitale-bibliothek.de
AG Berlin-Charlottenburg · HR B 58002 · USt.Id. DE173211737
Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski


Rachel Mawhood schrieb:
  Hello list
 
  Well, I've tried a number of things - clear:both, zoom:1, min-height,
  removing the mask.gif, etc - but nothing so far has worked.  I have
  Googled the problem, looked at positioniseeverything and other
  bug-fixing sites, but without finding the solution.  It is so far
  completely baffling.  I have read that IE7 has a problem rendering
  elements with background images whose parent and/or child also
  contains a background image (as is the case here, in that the body
  has a tiled background image) but it is so strange that, in this
  case, it is OK on one page and not on the others.
 
  In MSIE 7 this page displays the image of the trumpets and organ
  pipes as intended
 
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/members/index.php
 
  It uses exactly the same css files and template as these pages, on
  which the image cannot be made to appear in IE7, eg
 
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/board/index.php
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/congress/index.php
 
  The CSS files are here (I've taken the index.html file out of this
  directory for the time being)
 
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/styles/isoconsole.css
  http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/styles/iso-images.css
 
  I can't remove the tiled background image in the body because the
  client specifically wanted this.
 
  I would be very grateful indeed for any pointers to why the Members
  page is OK and the others are not OK with the image at the top of the page.
 
  TVIA
  Rachel
 
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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Nancy Johnson wrote:
 I had some additional questions, in previous conversations regarding
 IE8, it wasn't clear to me whether IE8 supports conditional comments
 the same way as other versions of IE do.
 
 Does it support conditional comments?  If not how would you have a
 separate Style sheet for IE8?
 
 For instance I had a page the browsershots.org indicated broke in IE8
 but was fine in IE6 and 7, Firefox and Safari.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Nancy


Hello Nancy,

IE8 does support conditional comments.

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8-cc-seen-by-ie6.htm


Plus it does not wreck the version vectors as IE8b1 did.


I find that Bruno has found a hack.

http://www.brunildo.org/test/csshacks.html

html:first-child selector [attr|=a-b] { property: value; }


Playing around with this, we can have.

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/8/ie8b2-hack.htm

html:first-child p { property: value; }


This isn't even with a XML prolog.


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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news?

2008-08-28 Thread Bruno Fassino
Alan Gresley wrote:

 Guess what, IE8b2 seems to be to one of the most standard compliant
 CSS2.1 browsers. I know that seems odd to say about IE but they at MS
 have really done a good job with my bug list. :-)

[...]

 I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download
 properly. Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a
 refresh is needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems
 to be missing here and there and then appears when scrolling. The
 weird bugs that are not reproducible.


Yes, I have same experience. Many CSS bugs are gone!

Then there is this problem where parts of a page are sometimes not
displayed, especially in presence of images, but also with text. With
multiple refreshes the missing parts usually appear. But refreshing again
other (or the same) parts may disappear again.


Best regards,

Bruno


PS: IE8b2 seems to match html:first-child. Of course there is no interest
now for IE8b2 hacks, however html:first-child was matched also by Opera 
9.5 (that's the reason I added something in my hack attempt, just for
play...)


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Re: [css-d] positioning problems (IE and Opera)

2008-08-28 Thread Ingo Chao
Elle Meredith wrote:
 ...
 
 the round corners in the main navigation -- one  
 corner does not align.
 
 The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/poinciana/
 


#main-nav ul li a { /*screen.css (Line 68)*/
  background: white url(../img/rounded-left.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
  ...

I think the white will paint over the preceeding gif.

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Re: [css-d] positioning problems (IE and Opera)

2008-08-28 Thread Ingo Chao
Elle Meredith wrote:
 ...
 In Opera 9 the main problem is that the logo is positioned too much to  
 the left. Also my stage on the gallery page is again positioned to the  
 left instead of right
 
 The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/poinciana/

It is absolutely positioned, but it looks like as if Opera requires the 
relatively positioned container,
#branding a {}
, to be at block level. Add display:block.


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[css-d] Trying to control floats on page

2008-08-28 Thread Reg Reading
I'm having trouble getting elements on my page to display correctly.

http://www.ukcrugby.co.uk/test/index.html

The navigation bar is floated to the left, as is the sponsor column
underneath it.  I have added a clear:left to the sponsor ID as without it it
positioned itself to the right of the navigation bar.

When I tried to add an image and float it to the right of the page,
initially it appeared to the right halfway down the page.

After trying to work out the solution myself I added overflow:auto to the
main ID, this has now moved the images to their correct position on the
page, but created a large empty column in the middle of the page

The navigation bar and the sponsor column are controlled via an external
style sheet, whereas the images in the main section are controlled from
within an internal style sheet.

Any assistance on how to get my page looking as it should would be most
welcome.

Many thanks

Reg Reading
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Re: [css-d] Trying to control floats on page

2008-08-28 Thread Parag Jagdale
Hi Reg,

in this style:

#main {
margin-left:220px;
margin-right:10px;
overflow:auto;
}


you have a margin-left:220px;

change it to margin-left:10px;
like so:

#main {
margin-left:10px;
margin-right:10px;
overflow:auto;
}


And  your problem should be fixed.



Thank You,
Parag Jagdale
Un-identified LLC
www.un-identified.com


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 I'm having trouble getting elements on my page to display correctly.

 http://www.ukcrugby.co.uk/test/index.html

 After trying to work out the solution myself I added overflow:auto to the
 main ID, this has now moved the images to their correct position on the
 page, but created a large empty column in the middle of the page

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[css-d] I must be fundementally misunderstanding something.

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Chandler
I have an application (dynamic web page) that styles perfectly with a 
whole range of css linked in via an external web sheet with a link 
tag in the header.

I am wanting to add a calendar picker which I have written to this web 
page - so as stage one I added the link to the css file for this picker 
in the page header.  This file consists (almost) of css declarations of 
the form div.picker something )for example as below

div.picker * {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}   
[the parts that do not have a div.picker in them refer to specific 
classes related to the calendar other than the picker]

YET. When I place a link to this file ahead of the main style sheet, the 
page stops being styled completely - its almost as if the second style 
sheet is ignored.

If I move the link to this stylesheet until after the main one the page 
display works fine.

I am aware of the rules regarding which style sheet wins out normally - 
but using firebug in firefox to examine the styles supposidely applying 
to any given element - is as though the main stylesheet just does not 
exist.

I have generated static versions of two versions of the page [may have 
missed with the menu - but ignore that ]with the CSS style sheets 
swapped over

at

http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin.html
http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin2.html

Can someone tell me why the first one doesn't display properly

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Re: [css-d] I must be fundementally misunderstanding something.

2008-08-28 Thread Ingo Chao
Alan Chandler wrote:
 ...
 YET. When I place a link to this file ahead of the main style sheet, the 
 page stops being styled completely - its almost as if the second style 
 sheet is ignored.
 
 If I move the link to this stylesheet until after the main one the page 
 display works fine.
 
 I am aware of the rules regarding which style sheet wins out normally - 
 but using firebug in firefox to examine the styles supposidely applying 
 to any given element - is as though the main stylesheet just does not 
 exist.
 ...
 
 http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin.html
 http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin2.html
 
 Can someone tell me why the first one doesn't display properly
 

In the first one, you have two external style sheets linked:

link rel=stylesheet type=text/css 
href=/static/scripts/calendar/calendar.css title=calendar/

link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=ball.css title=mbstyle/

both have a title-attribute set, so the links refer to a /preferred/ 
stylesheet.

You are declaring two stylesheets as preferred (so the first one wins ?) 
The user has to switch from one to another, from 'calendar' to 'mbstyle' 
(in Firefox view menu), to have the page styled with the main rules.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#style-external

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Re: [css-d] I must be fundementally misunderstanding something.

2008-08-28 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Ingo Chao wrote:

 You are declaring two stylesheets as preferred (so the first one wins
 ?)

The first one indeed wins by HTML specifications. The specs are somewhat 
obscure, but the idea is that at most one style sheet can be preferred, 
and you make a style sheet preferred by using rel=stylesheet and a 
title=... attribute (with any value), and if you have several such link 
elements, all but the first one are ignored.

This is insane if you ask me, and even if you don't, but the practical 
conclusion is that you should normally not use title=... attribute in 
link elements for stylesheets, _unless_ you want to use alternate style 
sheets (with rel=alternate stylesheet). When you remove those attributes, 
all the link elements with rel=stylesheet will be used.

(This has nothing to do with the cascade, except that it affects the issue 
which stylesheets will participate in the cascade at all.)

Yucca 

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Re: [css-d] I must be fundementally misunderstanding something.

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Chandler
On Thursday 28 Aug 2008, Ingo Chao wrote:
 Alan Chandler wrote:
  ...
  YET. When I place a link to this file ahead of the main style
  sheet, the page stops being styled completely - its almost as if
  the second style sheet is ignored.
 
  If I move the link to this stylesheet until after the main one the
  page display works fine.
 
  I am aware of the rules regarding which style sheet wins out
  normally - but using firebug in firefox to examine the styles
  supposidely applying to any given element - is as though the main
  stylesheet just does not exist.
  ...
 
  http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin.html
  http://test.melindasbackups.com/test/admin2.html
 
  Can someone tell me why the first one doesn't display properly

 In the first one, you have two external style sheets linked:

 link rel=stylesheet type=text/css
 href=/static/scripts/calendar/calendar.css title=calendar/

 link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=ball.css
 title=mbstyle/

 both have a title-attribute set, so the links refer to a /preferred/
 stylesheet.


Thank you.  That is certainly something fundemental that I didn't 
understand.



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[css-d] [IE6] position:relative makes text overflow browser window

2008-08-28 Thread Erik Rieselbach
This is a very simple but maddening bug -- so simple that I can't  
understand why I can't find any reference to it anywhere.

I have a very simple document with one div inside body. The div has  
position:relative and top:125px. IE6 apparently deals with this by  
sliding the whole div down 125 pixels but keeping the height of body  
constant. If all the text fits inside the browser window, there is no  
problem, but when I have a lot of text inside the div, the bottom 125  
pixels actually extend below body, and cannot be reached by the  
scrollbar!

I can't find anything to make the browser window fully enclose the  
div. I can add 125px of padding to the bottom, but that breaks on  
those occasions when the div actually fits inside the browser window.  
Plus it messes up my rounded corners (not included in the test case).

Test case is at http://pigweb.net/test.html. Thanks for any  
suggestions.

Best,
Erik
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Re: [css-d] [IE6] position:relative makes text overflow browser window

2008-08-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Erik Rieselbach wrote:

 ... the bottom 125 pixels actually extend below body, and cannot be 
 reached by the scrollbar!

Relative offset makes #wrapper extend below body in all browsers, but
of course only out of reach in IE6. Something similar happened in other
browsers too a few years ago, IIRC.

 I can't find anything to make the browser window fully enclose the 
 div. I can add 125px of padding to the bottom, but that breaks on 
 those occasions when the div actually fits inside the browser window.
  http://pigweb.net/test.html

Adding a 125px padding to the bottom of html doesn't seem to have any
negative effects - in any browser, regardless of amount of content.

Your test-page triggers quirks mode in IE6 so body stretches to
htmls height (or the other way round), but in standard mode IE6 will
imitate real browsers and let the #wrapper extend below body and still
be within reach.

See...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/er/test_08_0829.html

regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing content

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Bruno Fassino wrote:
 Alan Gresley wrote:

 I do note a strange rendering bug where pages do not download
 properly. Sometimes positioned elements are in strange positions and a
 refresh is needed to fix their placement up. Also text (links) seems
 to be missing here and there and then appears when scrolling. The
 weird bugs that are not reproducible.
 
 
 Yes, I have same experience. Many CSS bugs are gone!
 
 Then there is this problem where parts of a page are sometimes not
 displayed, especially in presence of images, but also with text. With
 multiple refreshes the missing parts usually appear. But refreshing again
 other (or the same) parts may disappear again.
 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Bruno
[...]


This bug didn't happen in IE8b1. I do no know why it is happening but I 
see it here.


http://css-class.com/test/css/visformatting/floats-with-inline-elements2.htm


On arriving at this page and scrolling to the bottom, I see this.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content1.png


Refreshing the page causes more content to disappear.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content2.png


Selecting a link, causes strange reflow with line breaks.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content3.png


Only browsing back to this page shows the full content.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content4.png


Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely 
that IE8 will fully render content correctly?


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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing colors

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Alan Gresley wrote:

 Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely 
 that IE8 will fully render content correctly?


I guess I wrong, not quite that simple. Another page.

http://css-class.com/test/bugs/ie/ie-hacks.htm


The first visit shows some colors missing.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-color1.png


Refreshing the page causes the colors to appear.

http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-color1.png


I can see the bug reports being demonstrated by screenshots alone, 
forget any reliable reproducible test case. :-)


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[css-d] IE8b2 missing content bug with list item

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Hello all

All this missing content that I have noticed all happens when content 
are in at least unordered list. Another page.

http://css-class.com/test/demos/popup-gallery1.htm


The second gallery will not render all the images. Refreshing over and 
over shows images there and then not there.


I have seen missing content here.

http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/LinksWithDisplayBlock2.html


Refreshing this page or browsing back to this page shows all list items.


Can anyone confirm that this is a bug with markup containing list items?


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Re: [css-d] Any IE8 news - missing content in links

2008-08-28 Thread Alan Gresley
Alan Gresley wrote:
 Alan Gresley wrote:
 
 Could it be that the lower in the source and element is, the lest likely 
 that IE8 will fully render content correctly?
 
 
 I guess I wrong, not quite that simple.
[...]


Here another screenshot.


http://css-class.com/test/images/ie8b2-missing-content5.png


Notice how part of the menu is missing and the link *bug* only shows the 
letter *b* which is centered. Hovering the menu reveals all the content.


This can be seen by going to this page

http://css-class.com/test/

and then selecting the CSS link. Going back to this page over and over 
(on my Laptop) alway shows the same missing content as in the screenshot.


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Re: [css-d] positioning problems (IE and Opera)

2008-08-28 Thread Elle Meredith
Thank you Dmitry Demeshkin and Ingo Chao.
So, here's the problems and solutions again:

In IE 6 and 7:
#main-image not positioned right
Solution:
#additional-content {position:relative; width:450px; }
#home #main-image {position: absolute; top:0; left:0;}

divs pushed down
Solution: declared .prepend-1, .prepend-2, .prepend-3  {padding-left:  
0;} in my ie.css

one of the texts pushed down in the gallery
Solution: removed class=span-2

In Opera (and Safari):
Logo is not position correctly
Solution: #branding a {display: block;}

Gallery's stage positioned too much to the left instead of right:
Solution:
I couldn't use display: block; which was the solution for the first  
problem, so instead I declared div.inner {width: 100%;}
and to avoid width and paddings in the same rule, I redefined the  
padding on the child elements

Last Problem: Navigation rounded corners.
Solution: added color to the background rule.
So in my case it was: background: white url(../img/rounded-left.gif)  
no-repeat left bottom;




But I still have 2 last problems in IE -- if anyone has a minute to  
have a minute to have a look:
The logo is appearing behind the main image on the home page -- even  
though it has higher z-index
and on the gallery page, the stage images line up good when the page  
loads -- but if you leave the page on for a little while, the top  
background image appears and continues below the stage.

 The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/poinciana/


Thanks once again,
Elle
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