Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
Here you go - easier in Fireworks: http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap

Does this help?

Theresa


On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:37 PM, r...@catjuggling.com wrote:

 Can you mock it up in photoshop and post the image? It would be  
 easier to
 envision what you are trying to achieve.

 Russ

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 From: Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com
 To: css-d Group css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:59 PM
 Subject: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible


 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 I know, I'm thinking like a print person, but here you go:

 I want to take that circuit board image and pull it out about half  
 its
 width into the right side, and have the text wrap around the edge
 that's left in the content div. In other words, half the photo is in
 the text with the text wrapping around it (10px padding), and half  
 the
 photo is to the right, in the white area. I've been playing around
 with negative margins and absolute positioning, and as expected, it's
 not working.

 I know CSS is powerful, but is it this powerful? My client hates boxy
 - he wants more of an organic flow. If it can't be done, it can't be
 done, but I sure would like to try - AND have it work across most
 browsers.

 Impossible? Can anyone help me? Please?

 Theresa


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Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
Sorry - very late.

 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png


 Can you mock it up in photoshop and post the image? It would be
 easier to
 envision what you are trying to achieve.

 Russ

 - Original Message -
 From: Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com
 To: css-d Group css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:59 PM
 Subject: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible


 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 I know, I'm thinking like a print person, but here you go:

 I want to take that circuit board image and pull it out about half
 its
 width into the right side, and have the text wrap around the edge
 that's left in the content div. In other words, half the photo is  
 in
 the text with the text wrapping around it (10px padding), and half
 the
 photo is to the right, in the white area. I've been playing around
 with negative margins and absolute positioning, and as expected,  
 it's
 not working.

 I know CSS is powerful, but is it this powerful? My client hates  
 boxy
 - he wants more of an organic flow. If it can't be done, it can't  
 be
 done, but I sure would like to try - AND have it work across most
 browsers.

 Impossible? Can anyone help me? Please?

 Theresa


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Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible

2009-09-29 Thread russ
It's not impossible. There is probably a more elegant way to do, but here is 
what comes to my mind:

I would create a clear png image, the same height as the circuit board image 
but only half as wide. It would be floated to the right in the column, with 
the text running around it, as shown in your mockup. Then I would do 
absolute positioning to align the circuit board over the top of the clear 
image.

Russ



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From: Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com
To: jft j...@worrigee.net
Cc: css-d Group css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible


 Sorry - very late.

 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png


 Can you mock it up in photoshop and post the image? It would be
 easier to
 envision what you are trying to achieve.

 Russ

 - Original Message -
 From: Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com
 To: css-d Group css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:59 PM
 Subject: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible


 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 I know, I'm thinking like a print person, but here you go:

 I want to take that circuit board image and pull it out about half
 its
 width into the right side, and have the text wrap around the edge
 that's left in the content div. In other words, half the photo is
 in
 the text with the text wrapping around it (10px padding), and half
 the
 photo is to the right, in the white area. I've been playing around
 with negative margins and absolute positioning, and as expected,
 it's
 not working.

 I know CSS is powerful, but is it this powerful? My client hates
 boxy
 - he wants more of an organic flow. If it can't be done, it can't
 be
 done, but I sure would like to try - AND have it work across most
 browsers.

 Impossible? Can anyone help me? Please?

 Theresa


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Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible

2009-09-29 Thread Val Dobson
I've done something very similar recently.  It's not too difficult.
Create a container div that holds both your text and the image. Then
create a div to hold the image and give that a minus margin-right,
with float:right and clear:left.  In the markup, put the image-div
inside the container div.
That should give you the effect that you want - you can see what I did
here: www.oakleafcircle.org.uk/dmk

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Re: [css-d] Wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
Ellen Heitman wrote:
 Here is what I have in the head of my document:
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
 html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
 head
 meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8
 title- Letters Home: April 1944 -/title
 /head
 
 Any errors jump out at anyone as to why I'd still be getting strange
 characters on my pages? This only seems to occur in IE 7, not FF or Safari.
 The only info I have found online says to add the meta tag, which was there
 in the first place.
 
 Again, thanks for any advice!
 
 ellen


Empty elements in XHTML should have a trailing slash before they are 
closed. You have,

meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8


where you should have.

meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /


Using the online validator would catch this error.

http://validator.w3.org/


#  Line 5, Column 68: end tag for meta omitted, but OMITTAG NO was 
specified

… content=text/html; charset=utf-…

You may have neglected to close an element, or perhaps you meant to 
self-close an element, that is, ending it with / instead of .


# Line 5: start tag was here

 meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8



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Re: [css-d] Containing Element

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
MOHAMMED NASEER wrote:
 I'm trying to understand floats and related matters. I have a  
 question, is the 'containing element' in which an element is floated  
 either to the left or right


An element floated left will have its' left edge against the left edge
of its' containing block.

div id=container
   div id=float-left.../div
/div

 - can it be any element, in which the  
 floated element happens to be nested  or wrapped inside of. Or is it  
 only a block level element which happens to be wrapping that  
 particular floated element. If you could pls clarify it for me.
 thanks, Naz.


Any element can be floated, either a block level element or inline 
element.

ul li {float: left;}

ul
   li.../li
   li.../li
   li.../li
/ul


In this case the ul element is the containing block for the floated 
li. This is still the same if the ul is floated itself.

A containing element is simply a parent container for a child element. I 
think that you are getting the terms containing block and containing 
element confused together.

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#containing-block-details


A div, ul and li are all block level elements.

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#block-boxes



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[css-d] Fwd: Wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread Ben
Sorry, my gmail isn't set up to reply to the list...

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Date: 29 Sep 2009 12:05
Subject: Re: [css-d] Wonky characters
To: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com


Also, make sure your webserver is configured to actually serve that
page as utf-8. Webserver configuration overrides the meta tag (the
server doesn't actually read that).

Ben
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Re: [css-d] Fwd: Wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread Val Dobson
2009/9/29 Ben yng...@gmail.com:
 Sorry, my gmail isn't set up to reply to the list...
++
I have Gmail as well. Select reply to all and it goes to the list as
well as the OP.

Val

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Re: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible

2009-09-29 Thread eric
Hi,

I think you should have a look at this :

http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/slantastic/demo.html

Regards,

Éric Vesque

Theresa Mesa a écrit :
 Sorry - very late.
 
 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png
 
 
 Can you mock it up in photoshop and post the image? It would be
 easier to
 envision what you are trying to achieve.

 Russ

 - Original Message -
 From: Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com
 To: css-d Group css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:59 PM
 Subject: [css-d] I'd like to do something impossible


 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 I know, I'm thinking like a print person, but here you go:

 I want to take that circuit board image and pull it out about half
 its
 width into the right side, and have the text wrap around the edge
 that's left in the content div. In other words, half the photo is  
 in
 the text with the text wrapping around it (10px padding), and half
 the
 photo is to the right, in the white area. I've been playing around
 with negative margins and absolute positioning, and as expected,  
 it's
 not working.

 I know CSS is powerful, but is it this powerful? My client hates  
 boxy
 - he wants more of an organic flow. If it can't be done, it can't  
 be
 done, but I sure would like to try - AND have it work across most
 browsers.

 Impossible? Can anyone help me? Please?

 Theresa

 
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[css-d] bold and italic

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Blake
Hi,

Anyone got much experience using bold and italic at the same time?

What fonts support this, mac and PC?
What happens if the font has bold and italic but not bold italic?  
Which one does it choose, if either?

Thanks in advance, CB
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Re: [css-d] Wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread David Hucklesby
Ellen Heitman wrote:
 Here is what I have in the head of my document: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
 -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN  
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html
 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; head meta
 http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 
 title- Letters Home: April 1944 -/title /head
 
 Any errors jump out at anyone as to why I'd still be getting strange 
 characters on my pages? This only seems to occur in IE 7, not FF or
 Safari. The only info I have found online says to add the meta tag,
 which was there in the first place.
 

If what you are seeing is a series of strange characters instead of a
single accented character or, say, a curly quote, then what is
happening is your multi-byte UTF-8 characters are being treated as a
series of single byte codes. Or, of course, your document may not
actually be UTF-8 encoded. Saying it is so does not make it so.[1]

Browsers have different ways of interpreting UTF-8 encoded pages (are
you surprised?) Some honor your META tag; others make a guess instead.

The only way to get all browsers to cooperate is to have your server
send that information in the header. Of course, this may not be exacty
what you are describing, so I'll not go into details here. I suggest
asking another list that deals with Apache or whatever server software
your host uses, as this list is for CSS.

[1] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-what-is-encoding

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] bold and italic

2009-09-29 Thread Chetan Crasta
In Windows XP, all major browsers simulate italics, boldface and
italics-boldface when the typeface does not contain the appropriate font.
Italics is simulated by slanting the glyphs of the normal font and boldface
is simulated by increasing the stroke width.

Here is a detailed explanation of the font matching process
http://destination-code.blogspot.com/2009/08/font-matching-process.html

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Chris Blake ch...@3pointdesign.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Anyone got much experience using bold and italic at the same time?

 What fonts support this, mac and PC?
 What happens if the font has bold and italic but not bold italic?
 Which one does it choose, if either?

 Thanks in advance, CB
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Re: [css-d] bold and italic

2009-09-29 Thread David Hucklesby
Chris Blake wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Anyone got much experience using bold and italic at the same time?
 
 What fonts support this, mac and PC? What happens if the font has
 bold and italic but not bold italic? Which one does it choose, if
 either?
 
Should work. Offhand, I can't think of a common font that has bold and
italic, but not both combined. I know oblique is not so common. Which
font are you thinking of?

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Jeremy Ferrante
Thanks Thierry just gave this a shot but still not right in IE6/IE7.

I was still able to access to the input controls (albeit I can disable
These server-side if necessary).

The bad thing is the .png interacts with any colors above/below it.
For example the section I am giving an inactive look to is a table
of data with alternate rows having a background colour.   With the .png
applied it mixes together with the colours to give a really horrible look.

It really is suprising how well my original method works in every browser
but IE6/IE7, the same technique seems to be workable I'm just having issue
being unable to apply a height:100% and opacity not being set in IE7.

-Original Message-
From: Thierry Koblentz [mailto:n...@tjkdesign.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:37 AM
To: Jeremy Ferrante; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: RE: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

 I have a section of markup on page that under circumstances I want to give
the
 impression that it is disabled  or inactive by making any input controls
 contained within it unclickable and the entire area faded out.  I figured
I'd
 do this by placing a css element over the portion of a page with a higher
z-
 index and a width/height to match the containing parent, and a bit of
opacity
 to provide the faded look.

 I was able to get it to work in FF/Webkit/Opera/IE8, but it just won't
work in
 IE6/IE7.  In IE6 the overlay won't grow to fill the parent container
without
 specifying exact width/height values in pixels (which I cannot do in this
 case).  In IE7 the opacity is not honored and instead it is fully opaque
 resulting in the area being completely covered over.


 Example Markup (section of page):

 div id=wrap style=position:relative;
 div class=disable-overlaynbsp;/div
 div id=content
 [content with unknown height/width coming from backend
 datasource]
 /div
 /div

 CSS:
 .disable-overlay
 {
 position: absolute;
 background-color: red;
 left:0;
 top:0;
 z-index: 100;

 height:100%;
 width:100%;

 /* Gecko */ opacity: 0.40;
 /* Mozilla */ -moz-opacity: 0.40;
 /* IE */ filter: alpha(opacity=40);

 }

 Any help is greatly appreciated,

Hi Jer,

For IE6/7, I'd forget the extra markup and use #content instead with the
AlphaImageLoader filter.

So first use:

.disable-overlay {
/* remove rules that you use for IE 6/7 from here */
*display:none; /* this will kill that element in IE 6/7 */
}

Then create a PNG that will give you the opacity you want and go with:

#wrap {
*background: none;
zoom:1;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='this-is-a-png
-with-alpha-transparency.png', sizingMethod='scale');
}

That filter should give you the visual effect you're after and disable your
controls at the same time. Make sure there are no 100% transparent pixels in
your PNG or users will be able to click through it. (the size of the image
does not matter as the filter will stretch it).

Not tested but I think that should work...


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[css-d] firefox help

2009-09-29 Thread Tri-State AdVantage
I am looking for a solution for a problem occuring with Firefox
I have a web site that has numerous audio files on one page.
http://www.tiborbrothers.com/TB-JR1606.html
Even though the auto play is turned off, in Firefox they all start playing
as the page loads and you end up with several players going at once. It
appears to be a problem with all versions of Firefox. I am using Quicktime
as the player. I tried Realtime but had the same problem and would prefer
not to have to change all the pages over to a different player. The pages
work fine in IE6 and IE8.
I tried a search for this problem but have not come up with any solutions.
I would appreciate any help of where to look for a solution or any ideas of
how to fix the problem. Is there a command I can add to CSS to cure the
problem?
Thank you for any help you can give me.
Kris

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Re: [css-d] firefox help

2009-09-29 Thread David Laakso
Tri-State AdVantage wrote:
 I am looking for a solution for a problem occuring with Firefox
   
 I have a web site that has numerous audio files on one page.
 http://www.tiborbrothers.com/TB-JR1606.html
   

Its not just in Firefox and has nothing to do with CSS.
Try posting to:
web design list l...@webdesign-l.com
or
thel...@lists.evolt.org thel...@lists.evolt.org
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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Jeremy Ferrante
Yes bleed is the terminology I was looking for.  I'm really not looking to 
apply
custom classes to every element that may exist in the disabled region, I've 
given a
contrived example but it is not practical for my intended usage to attempt to
add custom styles to every element to give them a disabled look.  The look is 
perfect
when another element is placed on top with an opacity value and no color bleed. 
 If
the element is given a white value for instance everything underneath gets a 
faded
(disabled) look .

Thanks for insight though,
Jer

-Original Message-
From: Thierry Koblentz [mailto:n...@tjkdesign.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:03 PM
To: Jeremy Ferrante; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: RE: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

 Thanks Thierry just gave this a shot but still not right in IE6/IE7.

 I was still able to access to the input controls (albeit I can disable
 These server-side if necessary).

I put up a test page and it seems to work:

http://tjkdesign.com/test/overlay/

 The bad thing is the .png interacts with any colors above/below it.
 For example the section I am giving an inactive look to is a table
 of data with alternate rows having a background colour.   With the .png
 applied it mixes together with the colours to give a really horrible look.

It should not mix, background colors should bleed through I think.
In any case, you can style the rows with alpha() plugging a class in the
main container and then using that class you change the background of the
rows.


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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 Thanks Thierry just gave this a shot but still not right in IE6/IE7.
 
 I was still able to access to the input controls (albeit I can disable
 These server-side if necessary).

I put up a test page and it seems to work:

http://tjkdesign.com/test/overlay/

 The bad thing is the .png interacts with any colors above/below it.
 For example the section I am giving an inactive look to is a table
 of data with alternate rows having a background colour.   With the .png
 applied it mixes together with the colours to give a really horrible look.

It should not mix, background colors should bleed through I think.
In any case, you can style the rows with alpha() plugging a class in the
main container and then using that class you change the background of the
rows.


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[css-d] [Fwd: Quick Page Check Please]

2009-09-29 Thread shaf
I see that it is getting pushed over by 30px in IE but I cannot figure out
where.


 Original Message 
Subject: Quick Page Check Please
From:s...@ssyed.com
Date:Tue, September 29, 2009 1:37 pm
To:  css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
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My RSS area is aligned to the right in IE but it is correct in FF. It was
working earlier. It may be my cache.

http://www.stc.org

Thanks.
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[css-d] Quick Page Check Please

2009-09-29 Thread shaf
My RSS area is aligned to the right in IE but it is correct in FF. It was
working earlier. It may be my cache.

http://www.stc.org

Thanks.
-Shaf



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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 Yes bleed is the terminology I was looking for.  I'm really not looking
to
 apply
 custom classes to every element that may exist in the disabled region,
I've
 given a
 contrived example but it is not practical for my intended usage to attempt
to

You'd not need to apply a class to every element, only to the container to
be styled as disabled.
Then using that class you target the elements you want in there.

.disabled input,
.disabled .oddRow {}

etc.

Anyway, next step would be to use a (one-time) CSS expression to set width
and height of the overlay according to the dimensions of the parent
container.


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Re: [css-d] Quick Page Check Please

2009-09-29 Thread russ
 My RSS area is aligned to the right in IE but it is correct in FF. It was
 working earlier. It may be my cache.

 http://www.stc.org


It's not your cache. I get the same result in IE6. All the floats are 
dropping down.

Russ 

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Re: [css-d] Quick Page Check Please

2009-09-29 Thread shaf
I added an id of #rssxsl in the XSL file. Then I defined it in the CSS
ul#rssxsl {margin-left: 0;}. Looks like it fixed it I hope :)

 My RSS area is aligned to the right in IE but it is correct in FF. It was
 working earlier. It may be my cache.

 http://www.stc.org

 Thanks.
 -Shaf



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[css-d] Unexplained gap/wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread Ellen Heitman
To follow up on my last question, I'm including a link of the issue:
http://www.williamtobrien.com/letters_leaving.html

You'll notice that after the header (e.g., December 1942) there is a huge
gap between it and the rest of the content. This error appears only in IE
(I'm using version 7), it is displayed correctly in FF, Safari, Google
Chrome, etc. I am using an iframe here and, strangely, when I view the
original file in an IE browser, a bunch of strange characters (empty
squares) appear below the heading and before the other content. Someone
suggested this may be a server issue and not a CSS problem, in which case I
would have to go elsewhere to get it resolved. Just wanted to check one last
time to see if I should look into server-side issues, or if it's something
in my HTML or CSS code.

Thanks so much for all your help!

ellen
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[css-d] z-index Issue?

2009-09-29 Thread christianz
On this site I have a hover effect on the photos on the right. Works good in 
Firefox and IE8 but on IE7 the larger version of the image appears behind 
everything else. I have tried tweaking z-index values of several elements but 
to no avail so far. I'll keep working on it but if someone sees a solution 
before me let me know. Thanks in advance.

Signed,

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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Jeremy Ferrante
This is not practical if attempting to find a general solution to this problem.
The area to be disabled may contain H1,H2's etc with background colors and 
font-text
or who knows what.  I'm not really ready to concede to styling every element
within the main container.

Unfortunately I can't host the actual html but I've taken a screenshot of how 
the
markup renders in every browser but IE6/IE7 using an absolutely positioned 
element
on top of area to appear inactive using an opacity value.

http://yfrog.com/58overlayg

Notice how nice and disabled area looks, it actually looks disabled.

Cheers,
Jer

-Original Message-
From: Thierry Koblentz [mailto:n...@tjkdesign.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:04 PM
To: Jeremy Ferrante; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: RE: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

 Yes bleed is the terminology I was looking for.  I'm really not looking
to
 apply
 custom classes to every element that may exist in the disabled region,
I've
 given a
 contrived example but it is not practical for my intended usage to attempt
to

You'd not need to apply a class to every element, only to the container to
be styled as disabled.
Then using that class you target the elements you want in there.

.disabled input,
.disabled .oddRow {}

etc.

Anyway, next step would be to use a (one-time) CSS expression to set width
and height of the overlay according to the dimensions of the parent
container.


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Re: [css-d] IE6/IE7 Section Overlay Issues

2009-09-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 This is not practical if attempting to find a general solution to this
 problem.
 The area to be disabled may contain H1,H2's etc with background colors and
 font-text
 or who knows what.  I'm not really ready to concede to styling every
element
 within the main container.
 
 Unfortunately I can't host the actual html but I've taken a screenshot of
how
 the
 markup renders in every browser but IE6/IE7 using an absolutely positioned
 element
 on top of area to appear inactive using an opacity value.
 
 http://yfrog.com/58overlayg
 
 Notice how nice and disabled area looks, it actually looks disabled.

As suggested earlier, to dimension the overlay in IE you can use a CSS
expression.


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[css-d] Repost of impossible question

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
I'm going to try this again. I saw some replies this morning but  
hadn't read them yet, and was trying to delete only the emails I'd  
read in the Gmail interface. I was mistaken. I deleted the unread  
replies too. I'm so sorry!

http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

Sample image:
http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png

I want it to look like the sample image above, so yes, I want that  
white space on the right. I want half the image to be in the text with  
the text wrapping around it, and the other half of the image hanging  
on the outside into the white space.

I know there's a bunch of white space on top of the text, but I still  
have to put in navigation and the header, and I'll likely be changing  
the amount of margin on the top.

I've played with margins, positioning, padding. I am clearly doing  
either something wrong or something that is not possible in CSS in  
conjunction with all the other parts of this site. I'm shooting for  
cross-browser compatibility, but if IE6 won't play, that's okay too.  
An inline image within the text is just fine. IE6 is already not going  
to play with my position:fixed element at the bottom.

Can anyone PLEASE help? Or am I the first person to ever want to do  
this?

Theresa
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Re: [css-d] z-index Issue?

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
You need to give us the link to the site...

Theresa


On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:33 PM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:

 On this site I have a hover effect on the photos on the right. Works  
 good in Firefox and IE8 but on IE7 the larger version of the image  
 appears behind everything else. I have tried tweaking z-index values  
 of several elements but to no avail so far. I'll keep working on it  
 but if someone sees a solution before me let me know. Thanks in  
 advance.

 Signed,

 One of the many people with the first name Christian who is into CSS
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Re: [css-d] Repost of impossible question

2009-09-29 Thread Val Dobson
OK - reposting:

I've done something very similar recently.  It's not too difficult.
Create a container div that holds both your text and the image. Then
create a div to hold the image and give that a minus margin-right,
with float:right and clear:left.  In the markup, put the image-div
inside the container div.
That should give you the effect that you want - you can see what I did
here: www.oakleafcircle.org.uk/dmk

Val

2009/9/29 Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com:
 I'm going to try this again. I saw some replies this morning but
 hadn't read them yet, and was trying to delete only the emails I'd
 read in the Gmail interface. I was mistaken. I deleted the unread
 replies too. I'm so sorry!

 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 Sample image:
 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png

 I want it to look like the sample image above, so yes, I want that
 white space on the right. I want half the image to be in the text with
 the text wrapping around it, and the other half of the image hanging
 on the outside into the white space.

 I know there's a bunch of white space on top of the text, but I still
 have to put in navigation and the header, and I'll likely be changing
 the amount of margin on the top.

 I've played with margins, positioning, padding. I am clearly doing
 either something wrong or something that is not possible in CSS in
 conjunction with all the other parts of this site. I'm shooting for
 cross-browser compatibility, but if IE6 won't play, that's okay too.
 An inline image within the text is just fine. IE6 is already not going
 to play with my position:fixed element at the bottom.

 Can anyone PLEASE help? Or am I the first person to ever want to do
 this?

 Theresa
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Re: [css-d] rounded image corners

2009-09-29 Thread Bob Meetin
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
 My client will upload images and I'd like to put rounded corners on it...is 
 there a way to do so?
 You could try something like this:
 http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/overlay/tv_overlay.asp

 styling the background image of an IMG element.
 
The above technique works if you use the background image as the source 
and the true/regular image as the styled background:

img style=background:url(images/src_image.jpg); 
src=images/bg_image.jpg

However if you don't have the flexibility to be able to swap the src and 
background images, is there a way to overlay a background image above 
the src image?  Needs to be something like:

img style=background:url(images/src_image.jpg); 
src=images/bg_image.gif

or

CSS style:

.overlay { background: url(images/bg_image.gif }

HTML:

img src=images/bg_image.gif class=overlay

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[css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread Rod Castello
I'm using Chromestyle from Dynamic Drive for my Navigation Drop Downs.
The down arrow.gif is supposed to be contained within the navigation
tab. It works fine in FF and Safari, but in IE 6/7 it doesn't. Here's
the link to see what I mean: http://transitiontogreen.org/index2.php

Here is the link to Dynamic Drives site: 
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/chrome/index.htm  showing the effect 
and this one does work in IE6/7.  Sorry if this link doesn't work, but I copied 
it straight from the url line.

If someone could help me
 find the reason for this I would appreciate it.
Also, if you know of a better approach then let me know that as well.

Thanks

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Re: [css-d] Repost of impossible question

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
I ended up applying a negative right margin - which I could swear I  
did before, but it didn't work - to the img.interject, and now it  
works. I'm tweaking it slightly, but looking at the captures in  
Browsercam, it's working in all the browsers I care about (which is  
quite a few).

Thank you, though!

Theresa


On Sep 29, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Val Dobson wrote:

 OK - reposting:

 I've done something very similar recently.  It's not too difficult.
 Create a container div that holds both your text and the image. Then
 create a div to hold the image and give that a minus margin-right,
 with float:right and clear:left.  In the markup, put the image-div
 inside the container div.
 That should give you the effect that you want - you can see what I did
 here: www.oakleafcircle.org.uk/dmk


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Re: [css-d] Repost of impossible question

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Akins
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Theresa Mesa
trixiesirishe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm going to try this again. I saw some replies this morning but
 hadn't read them yet, and was trying to delete only the emails I'd
 read in the Gmail interface. I was mistaken. I deleted the unread
 replies too. I'm so sorry!

 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 Sample image:
 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png

 I want it to look like the sample image above, so yes, I want that
 white space on the right. I want half the image to be in the text with
 the text wrapping around it, and the other half of the image hanging
 on the outside into the white space.

 I know there's a bunch of white space on top of the text, but I still
 have to put in navigation and the header, and I'll likely be changing
 the amount of margin on the top.

 I've played with margins, positioning, padding. I am clearly doing
 either something wrong or something that is not possible in CSS in
 conjunction with all the other parts of this site. I'm shooting for
 cross-browser compatibility, but if IE6 won't play, that's okay too.
 An inline image within the text is just fine. IE6 is already not going
 to play with my position:fixed element at the bottom.

I got something to work with just a p and img.  It's shown at:

www.springfieldmo.gov/impossible.html

All styles are intentionally inline so you can see immediately what
they're attached to.

I will say, I've only tested this in Firefox IE, so I can't say if
Internet Exploder does right with it.
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Re: [css-d] Repost of impossible question

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
Actually, I did the same kind of thing (can't post a problem and not  
keep working on it!), but used margins instead, since IE gets so pissy  
about stuff like that. I checked the site in Browsercam, and most  
browsers look like I want them to. IE6 looks like it made the image  
smaller, but that's no big deal. Browsercam makes such good money off  
of people because of lack of cross-browser compatibility.

Thank you!


Theresa


On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Chris Akins wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Theresa Mesa
 trixiesirishe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm going to try this again. I saw some replies this morning but
 hadn't read them yet, and was trying to delete only the emails I'd
 read in the Gmail interface. I was mistaken. I deleted the unread
 replies too. I'm so sorry!

 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/index.shtml
 http://mdh-test.com/PV_web/pvg.css

 Sample image:
 http://mdh-test.com/compTextWrap.png

 I want it to look like the sample image above, so yes, I want that
 white space on the right. I want half the image to be in the text  
 with
 the text wrapping around it, and the other half of the image hanging
 on the outside into the white space.

 I know there's a bunch of white space on top of the text, but I still
 have to put in navigation and the header, and I'll likely be changing
 the amount of margin on the top.

 I've played with margins, positioning, padding. I am clearly doing
 either something wrong or something that is not possible in CSS in
 conjunction with all the other parts of this site. I'm shooting for
 cross-browser compatibility, but if IE6 won't play, that's okay too.
 An inline image within the text is just fine. IE6 is already not  
 going
 to play with my position:fixed element at the bottom.

 I got something to work with just a p and img.  It's shown at:

 www.springfieldmo.gov/impossible.html

 All styles are intentionally inline so you can see immediately what
 they're attached to.

 I will say, I've only tested this in Firefox IE, so I can't say if
 Internet Exploder does right with it.

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Re: [css-d] z-index Issue?

2009-09-29 Thread Theresa Mesa
It's probably not a good idea to have a photo pop up that is so  
pixelated.

IE support for :hover is buggy, from what I read when I Googled it.

You might want to correct your CSS - there are 7 errors.


Theresa



On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:52 PM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:



 You need to give us the link to the site...

 Theresa

 Yes, I am also absentminded. Here it is:

 http://www.flowerscostamesa.com

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[css-d] media=handheld tips please!

2009-09-29 Thread Sandy
hey all,

I have a project that my client would like to work on mobile devices.

http://askon.ca/en/test.shtml
http://askon.ca/en/css/askon.css
http://askon.ca/en/css/mobile.css

I set up a mobile style sheet that is supposed to blank out 2 columns, 
and have a group of extra links that don't show up in the screen version 
of the page.

#mobilelinks {
display : none;
}


It seems like some mobile browsers ignore the media=handheld style, 
others ignore the style sheets altogether, others display what looks 
like their own rough version of the styles

http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=490329

I don't think browsercam has remote access to mobile devices - any idea 
of who might? Any good ideas of how to handle this?

Thanks all!
Sandy
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Re: [css-d] z-index Issue?

2009-09-29 Thread JG
Question: Are the images at the bottom of the page supposed to be cut off?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:33 PM, christi...@netscape.net wrote:

 On this site I have a hover effect on the photos on the right. Works good
 in Firefox and IE8 but on IE7 the larger version of the image appears behind
 everything else. I have tried tweaking z-index values of several elements
 but to no avail so far. I'll keep working on it but if someone sees a
 solution before me let me know. Thanks in advance.

 Signed,

 One of the many people with the first name Christian who is into CSS
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Re: [css-d] Unexplained gap/wonky characters

2009-09-29 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Ellen Heitman wrote:

 To follow up on my last question, I'm including a link of the issue:
 http://www.williamtobrien.com/letters_leaving.html

 You'll notice that after the header (e.g., December 1942) there is a  
 huge
 gap between it and the rest of the content. This error appears only  
 in IE
 (I'm using version 7), it is displayed correctly in FF, Safari, Google
 Chrome, etc. I am using an iframe here and, strangely, when I view the
 original file in an IE browser, a bunch of strange characters (empty
 squares) appear below the heading and before the other content.  
 Someone
 suggested this may be a server issue and not a CSS problem, in which  
 case I
 would have to go elsewhere to get it resolved. Just wanted to check  
 one last
 time to see if I should look into server-side issues, or if it's  
 something
 in my HTML or CSS code.

Nothing to do with the server - it doesn't send any encoding header.
And nothing to do with CSS either...

1. the filed loaded in the iframe has a  content-type of ISO-8859-1 in  
the meta
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;  
charset=ISO-8859-1 /
I'm not sure if it was originally coded as such, though - check the  
settings in your editor.

2. there are a truckload of invisible characters between the closing / 
h1 and the opening table: spaces and non-breaking spaces (#160;).   
They are 'visible' - that is, take up space- in IE, probably due to  
the encoding mismatch.

here is a screenshot of your file in my editor, with 'show invisible  
characters' turned on.
http://dev.l-c-n.com/_b/Ellen.png


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Re: [css-d] z-index Issue?

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
christi...@netscape.net wrote:
 On this site I have a hover effect on the photos on the right. Works good in 
 Firefox and IE8 but on IE7 the larger version of the image appears behind 
 everything else. I have tried tweaking z-index values of several elements but 
 to no avail so far. I'll keep working on it but if someone sees a solution 
 before me let me know. Thanks in advance.
 
 Signed,
 
 One of the many people with the first name Christian who is into CSS


Maybe using a technique that I have done here may help.

http://css-class.com/test/demos/popup-gallery1.htm


Adjusting just this CSS (removing overflow:hidden and padding on li)

.gallery ul {
background: black;
overflow:hidden; /* -- Delete */
margin: auto;
padding: 40px;
}

.horizontal li {
padding: 40px 50px; /* -- Delete */
}

will show how this can be altered to work on your page. It is similar to 
this test.

http://css-class.com/test/popuprel.htm


But you would need a container (parent element) for the gallery with 
it's own z-index to create a higher layer for IE7-.

http://css-class.com/test/css/visformatting/layers/z-index.htm


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Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
Rod Castello wrote:
 I'm using Chromestyle from Dynamic Drive for my Navigation Drop Downs.
 The down arrow.gif is supposed to be contained within the navigation
 tab. It works fine in FF and Safari, but in IE 6/7 it doesn't. Here's
 the link to see what I mean: http://transitiontogreen.org/index2.php
 
 Here is the link to Dynamic Drives site: 
 http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/chrome/index.htm  showing the 
 effect and this one does work in IE6/7.  Sorry if this link doesn't work, but 
 I copied it straight from the url line.
 
 If someone could help me
  find the reason for this I would appreciate it.
 Also, if you know of a better approach then let me know that as well.
 
 Thanks
 
 Rod Castello


With javascript disabled, this menu does not work. Maybe this approach 
may work better using *nested list* (more semantic).

http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/accessible_ddmenu-en.html

http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/experiments/css/accessible_ddmenu_test.html


This is partly based on the menu I created (from styles by Duncan Hill) 
that does not require javascript.

http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/bears5ddh-kbaccess.htm


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Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread Rod Castello
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com wrote:

From: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com
Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7
To: Rod Castello flashju...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:48 AM

Rod Castello wrote:
 I'm using Chromestyle from Dynamic Drive for my Navigation Drop Downs.
 The down arrow.gif is supposed to be contained within the navigation
 tab. It works fine in FF and Safari, but in IE 6/7 it doesn't. Here's
 the link to see what I mean: http://transitiontogreen.org/index2.php
 
 Here is the link to Dynamic Drives site: 
 http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/chrome/index.htm  showing the 
 effect and this one does work in IE6/7.  Sorry if this link doesn't work, but 
 I copied it straight from the url line.
 
 If someone could help me
  find the reason for this I would appreciate it.
 Also, if you know of a better approach then let me know that as well.

 Rod Castello


With javascript disabled, this menu does not work. Maybe this approach 
may work better using *nested list* (more semantic).

http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/accessible_ddmenu-en.html

http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/experiments/css/accessible_ddmenu_test.html


This is partly based on the menu I created (from styles by Duncan Hill) 
that does not require javascript.

http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/bears5ddh-kbaccess.htm


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Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo

Alan,
Thanks for your response. I was hoping to avoid making the change, but you may 
be right. I'll try your method, I'm sure it will work fine. 
Do you have any idea why the down arrows wouldn't display properly in IE6/7? 
Did you see it in IE? I know it's not semantic, but I'd sure like to find a 
quick fix and leave it as it is. Spent too much time on this project already.

Thanks again,
Rod
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Re: [css-d] rounded image corners

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
Bob Meetin wrote:
 Thierry Koblentz wrote:
 My client will upload images and I'd like to put rounded corners on it...is 
 there a way to do so?
 You could try something like this:
 http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/overlay/tv_overlay.asp

 styling the background image of an IMG element.
 
 The above technique works if you use the background image as the source 
 and the true/regular image as the styled background:
 
 img style=background:url(images/src_image.jpg); 
 src=images/bg_image.jpg
 
 However if you don't have the flexibility to be able to swap the src and 
 background images, is there a way to overlay a background image above 
 the src image?  Needs to be something like:
 
 img style=background:url(images/src_image.jpg); 
 src=images/bg_image.gif
 
 or
 
 CSS style:
 
 .overlay { background: url(images/bg_image.gif }
 
 HTML:
 
 img src=images/bg_image.gif class=overlay
 


Including an anchor element a which has the rounded corners after the 
image img may help. Similar to this approach which uses a 
semi-transparent overlay.

http://css-class.com/test/demos/thumbgallery6.htm



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[css-d] Text pokes out bottom of box

2009-09-29 Thread Lalena
Can anyone tell me why the text in my first box pokes out the bottom?  
Here's the page:
http://suziblade.com/rapant-mcelroy/our_services.html
(The borders are temporary, just so I can see what's going on.) It  
looks like the right column is determining the depth of the box, and  
I'm not sure why.
If there's anything else I did that isn't coded as sensibly as it  
could be, please feel free to let me know that too.
Thank you!
Lalena
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Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread JG
What about using Yahoo YUI menu?
Also, to troubleshoot, I'd get Expression Web Superpreview to see the DOM
layout differences in IE 68.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Rod Castello flashju...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com wrote:

 From: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com
 Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7
 To: Rod Castello flashju...@sbcglobal.net
 Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:48 AM

 Rod Castello wrote:
  I'm using Chromestyle from Dynamic Drive for my Navigation Drop Downs.
  The down arrow.gif is supposed to be contained within the navigation
  tab. It works fine in FF and Safari, but in IE 6/7 it doesn't. Here's
  the link to see what I mean: http://transitiontogreen.org/index2.php
 
  Here is the link to Dynamic Drives site:
 http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex1/chrome/index.htm  showing the
 effect and this one does work in IE6/7.  Sorry if this link doesn't work,
 but I copied it straight from the url line.
 
  If someone could help me
   find the reason for this I would appreciate it.
  Also, if you know of a better approach then let me know that as well.

  Rod Castello


 With javascript disabled, this menu does not work. Maybe this approach
 may work better using *nested list* (more semantic).

 http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/accessible_ddmenu-en.html

 
 http://adipalaz.awardspace.com/experiments/css/accessible_ddmenu_test.html
 


 This is partly based on the menu I created (from styles by Duncan Hill)
 that does not require javascript.

 http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/bears5ddh-kbaccess.htm


 --
 Alan http://css-class.com/

 Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo

 Alan,
 Thanks for your response. I was hoping to avoid making the change, but you
 may be right. I'll try your method, I'm sure it will work fine.
 Do you have any idea why the down arrows wouldn't display properly in
 IE6/7? Did you see it in IE? I know it's not semantic, but I'd sure like
 to find a quick fix and leave it as it is. Spent too much time on this
 project already.

 Thanks again,
 Rod
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Re: [css-d] Text pokes out bottom of box

2009-09-29 Thread David Laakso
Lalena wrote:
 Can anyone tell me why the text in my first box pokes out the bottom?  
 Here's the page:
 http://suziblade.com/rapant-mcelroy/our_services.html
 (The borders are temporary, just so I can see what's going on.) It  
 looks like the right column is determining the depth of the box, and  
 I'm not sure why.
 If there's anything else I did that isn't coded as sensibly as it  
 could be, please feel free to let me know that too.
 Thank you!
 Lalena

   





Dunn, Lalena. The stuff ain't contained?

Try (not tested):
.container {
overflow:hidden; - :: add to enclose and clear the floats in 
the block
width:700px;
margin:20px auto 5px auto;
border:1px solid white;
}

.leftcol {
background:fuchsia; - :: add-- just for fun so you can see 
what's happening, sort of...
float: left;
width: 300px;
margin: 0; - :: delete-- not needed
adding: 0px;- :: delete-- not needed
border:0px;- :: delete-- not needed
}

.rightcol {
background: lime; - :: add-- just for fun so you can see what's 
happening, sort of...
margin: 0px 0px 0px 340px;  - :: delete-- not needed
width: 365px; - :: add to make a box
float: right; - :: add to throw the box right
text-align: left;
border:0px;- :: delete-- not needed
}

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Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread Al Sparber
From: Rod Castello flashju...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

Rod Castello wrote:
 I'm using Chromestyle from Dynamic Drive for my Navigation Drop Downs.

--
Thanks for your response. I was hoping to avoid making the change, but you 
may be right. I'll try your method, I'm sure it will work fine.
Do you have any idea why the down arrows wouldn't display properly in IE6/7? 
Did you see it in IE? I know it's not semantic, but I'd sure like to find 
a quick fix and leave it as it is:

-


I would post on Dynamic Drive's forums and/or contact the author. The 
technique (a list for the root menu and disjointed submenus) is not 
necessarily non-semantic or inaccessible. That's actually a similar 
technique to the one used by Opera for several years on its web site. That 
said, I would also not fall for the trap that because the sub-menus do not 
appear when script disabled it's bad. It's not, and so long as you organize 
your site correctly, it's arguably more accessible to prevent the sub-menus 
from being available without script and without a mouse. Scripted menus have 
many more advantages. You can Google christian heilman, javascript menus 
for more info and you can read this brief article:

http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm2/ug-examples/accessible/index.htm

Note that the article involves one of our products but the concept is 
applicable to any menu.

Good luck.

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http://www.projectseven.com





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Re: [css-d] Text pokes out bottom of box

2009-09-29 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Lalena wrote:

 an anyone tell me why the text in my first box pokes out the bottom?
 Here's the page:
 http://suziblade.com/rapant-mcelroy/our_services.html
 (The borders are temporary, just so I can see what's going on.) It
 looks like the right column is determining the depth of the box, and
 I'm not sure why.

You are referring to the first box (.container), I presume. That box  
is only as tall as all the static, in-flow content. The left column is  
a floated box, and as such, is removed from the flow, and does not  
influence the height of the parent box in modern browsers - that is:  
except IE 6  7. Those 2 contain the floated box as you've set a width  
on div[class=container], which triggers 'hasLayout'.

Google for 'containing floats' for solutions.

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Re: [css-d] Trouble with drop down navigation tabs in IE 6/7

2009-09-29 Thread Alan Gresley
Al Sparber wrote:
 From: Rod Castello flashju...@sbcglobal.net

Re: http://transitiontogreen.org/index2.php

[...]
 The 
 technique (a list for the root menu and disjointed submenus) is not 
 necessarily non-semantic or inaccessible.


So how does one access these pages or even know about the existence of 
such pages when javascript is disabled? Maybe providing the links to the 
sub-items below or on each respective page would help with the former case.


 That's actually a similar 
 technique to the one used by Opera for several years on its web site. That 
 said, I would also not fall for the trap that because the sub-menus do not 
 appear when script disabled it's bad.

I didn't say it was bad. I said with javascript disabled, this menu 
does not work.


 http://www.projectseven.com/


Dreamweaver


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