Re: [css-d] Mobile Stylesheets vs. Mobile Optimized Sites

[tedd]

At 3:08 PM -0400 8/12/10, David Laakso wrote:
>Tom Livingston wrote:
>>  Just another thought:
>>
>  > www.cloudfour.com/css-media-query-for-mobile-is-fools-gold/
>
>
>Do you have anymore happiness and good cheer that you might want to
>bring to the table?
>
>~d

~d:

I don't know about happiness and good cheer, but I don't agree with 
some of the article. For example, the article is states:

"The idea of adding more code-adding more to download-in order to 
optimize for mobile should be the first clue that this isn't a good 
solution."

I'm not sure why that would be true. The article fails to state that 
both download and processing speeds are improving and they are 
improving at a higher rate than demand. So planning for the future, 
or next week (as per Ethan Marcotte), which is what we all do, is not 
as bad as he makes it out to be.

I think these types of discussions (Marcotte v Grigsby) are the real 
"give and take" in development. The rest of us just do the best we 
can until we know better.

Cheers,

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Re: [css-d] Mobile Stylesheets vs. Mobile Optimized Sites

[Tom Livingston]

> I think these types of discussions (Marcotte v Grigsby) are the real
> "give and take" in development. The rest of us just do the best we
> can until we know better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd


I agree. The problem I have is I may not know when the 'better' is
available. It's so hard to keep up, and do my very demanding job, at
the same time.


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Re: [css-d] Mobile Stylesheets vs. Mobile Optimized Sites

[tedd]

At 9:46 AM -0400 8/13/10, Tom Livingston wrote:
>  > I think these types of discussions (Marcotte v Grigsby) are the real
>>  "give and take" in development. The rest of us just do the best we
>>  can until we know better.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>  tedd
>
>
>I agree. The problem I have is I may not know when the 'better' is
>available. It's so hard to keep up, and do my very demanding job, at
>the same time.


Sometimes being behind the bleeding edge can be a good thing for you 
miss the "better" until after it's discovered that it isn't.

Cheers,

tedd

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[css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[Averill Ring at Irisweb]

  I could use some suggestions with this site

http://irisweb.net/emily

Three things:

1) In validating the pages, I keep getting this same error message:

previous problem  E649  
  The default scripting 
language must be specified for an intrinsic event:


I'm not smart enough to figure out what I should put there instead of or in 
addition to body onload etc.

2) There's always a difference between the font rendering from IE8 to FF, IE 
always looking larger and bolder. Is there a fix for this?

3) I've tried to get the bottom of the right column to line up vertically with 
the bottom of the left column. If I make a height declaration for #contentright 
it drops it down and renders it as 79 px wide. I only want to do this on pages 
where the text is shorter than the left-sided photo.

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Averill Ring
Irisweb.net Inc.



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Re: [css-d] Mobile Stylesheets vs. Mobile Optimized Sites

[J.C. Johnson]

This response is heading into off-topic land, but here's what we've come up
against. (And we also had some trouble coming up with more current
"best-practices" information as well as data on current device stats.)

We've done a couple of mobile versions of sites recently, and what we found
was that for mobile we actually wanted to emphasize different content than
we did on the desktop version of the site. On a site for a large shopping
complex, for the full version of the site, they have crammed a ton of
information into the site. It's not bad, mind you, but the site contains a
LOT of information. When we started looking at it with mobile in mind, we
started stripping out a lot of that information. Someone sitting in front of
a desktop machine or a laptop might browse through various information on
the site, but when someone loads the site with a cell phone, we're assuming
that most of the time they're after specific information...hours, location,
contact info, maybe a check to see what sales, special offers or events a
specific store at the center might have. I would be quite surprised to
discover that many, if any, people ever pulled up the site on a phone just
to learn more about the center itself, so some of that information is not on
the mobile version, while the parts that are on the mobile version are given
less focus. But the information about whether or not the dog park is open at
the moment is stuck right smack into the opening screen along with the hours
of operation, so they are very easy to find.

Given that we only wanted to present half or two-thirds of the content that
was on the full site on the mobile version, it seemed silly to try to
accomplish that with just a different stylesheet. So we set up a separate
mobile version of the site. What struck us as interesting was that the new
focus on mobile felt a lot like what we were doing 10+ years ago when
developing full websites, in regards to optimizing content and size, and
stripping out fancy bells and whistles. :-) Not that we don't still think
about those things, but our approach has definitely shifted in the last 10
years. It was kind of fun to step back and look at it all with fresh mobile
eyes, and yet frustrating at the same time to find ourselves once again with
a huge pile of devices/browsers that were all different sizes with a hugely
vast range of functionality and support.

And back to CSS, I was actually quite pleased to discover that the full
website, even WITH the bells and whistles (and flash and js slideshows and
some relatively heavy CSS lifting) displayed precisely as desired on some
phones, with 100% functionality. 

Jeniffer



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Re: [css-d] Mobile Stylesheets vs. Mobile Optimized Sites

[Tom Livingston]

>>  > I think these types of discussions (Marcotte v Grigsby) are the real
>>>
>>>  "give and take" in development. The rest of us just do the best we
>>>  can until we know better.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  tedd
>>
>>
>> I agree. The problem I have is I may not know when the 'better' is
>> available. It's so hard to keep up, and do my very demanding job, at
>> the same time.
>
>
> Sometimes being behind the bleeding edge can be a good thing for you miss
> the "better" until after it's discovered that it isn't.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>

Very true.

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[css-d] drop down hover issue...

[Michael Beaudoin]

Hey all. Me again.

I'm finally getting a hang of the drop down menus, but I'm having an  
issue with the hover state when one mouses over the submenus.

Right now, the hover on the normal nav item give a bar on top. When I  
trigger the drop down and mouse over an item, the bar also shows up  
and makes the sub menu bounce up and down. I just want a simple text  
color change.

I'm sure it's a cascade issue and I've tried to track it down with no  
success. Any suggestions on a solution, and how to track this kind of  
thing down in the future?

Sample is here: http://www.ba-doyn.com/junk

Thanks so much.

Michael
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[css-d] Converting to CSS/XHTML

[Lalena]

Hi gang,
I have two questions:
- I am slowly converting all my web pages to CSS and XHTML, and when I  
test one in the W3 online validator, I get this message: " File not  
found: import file://localhost/lf_styles.css: Operation not  
permitted". (I am uploading my pages from my local drive, checking  
them before I make them live.) I double-checked in my folder and the  
"lf_styles.css" file is there. Why might I be having this problem; any  
ideas?
- Do I need to change all my  tags to  ? Or  ? I found  
conflicting info when I Googled this.
Thanks!
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Re: [css-d] Converting to CSS/XHTML

[Shaf Syed]

Lalena,

I think you may have a typo on the URl that you are putting in the 
validator. Make sure your CSS file is not referenced in your code to the 
.css file on your local computer. When the code references a css file 
which can be accessed from your browser the validator should work.

Your breaks should be 

On 8/13/2010 11:52 AM, Lalena wrote:
> Hi gang,
> I have two questions:
> - I am slowly converting all my web pages to CSS and XHTML, and when I
> test one in the W3 online validator, I get this message: " File not
> found: import file://localhost/lf_styles.css: Operation not
> permitted". (I am uploading my pages from my local drive, checking
> them before I make them live.) I double-checked in my folder and the
> "lf_styles.css" file is there. Why might I be having this problem; any
> ideas?
> - Do I need to change all my  tags to  ? Or  ? I found
> conflicting info when I Googled this.
> Thanks!
> Lalena
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Re: [css-d] drop down hover issue...

[Alex Mitchell]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Michael Beaudoin wrote:

> Hey all. Me again.
>
> I'm finally getting a hang of the drop down menus, but I'm having an
> issue with the hover state when one mouses over the submenus.
>
> Right now, the hover on the normal nav item give a bar on top. When I
> trigger the drop down and mouse over an item, the bar also shows up
> and makes the sub menu bounce up and down. I just want a simple text
> color change.
>
> I'm sure it's a cascade issue and I've tried to track it down with no
> success. Any suggestions on a solution, and how to track this kind of
> thing down in the future?
>
> Sample is here: http://www.ba-doyn.com/junk
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Michael
>

The issue lies in style.css line 20:

ul.dropdown   a:hover  {
text-decoration: none;
color: #33;
border-top-width: 6px;
border-top-style: solid;
border-top-color: #673E1F;
}

This also affects the a:hover of the nested lists.

After this rule you should add another rule that specifies to have no border
on the nested lists:

ul.dropdown ul a:hover{
border:none;
(text color, etc)
}

This overrides the previous rule because of two reasons: it is a more
specific selector, and it is declared later in the stylesheet.

Hope this helps,
Alex Mitchell
http://gumware.com/
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Re: [css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[David Laakso]

Averill Ring at Irisweb wrote:
>   I could use some suggestions with this site
>
> http://irisweb.net/emily
>
> Three things:
>
> 1) In validating the pages, I keep getting this same error message:
>
> previous problem  E649  
>   The default 
> scripting language must be specified for an intrinsic event:
> 
>
>   




With regard only to the markup question, use the w3c markup validation 
service.

Your home page markup validates-- I did not check the inside pages...


Fwiw, it is usually best to use a strict doctype for a new site.

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>



>
> Averill Ring
>
>
>   



Best,
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[css-d] How do you identify a capable UI designer?

[Hilco Wijbenga]

Hi all,

At the start-up where I work, we've been trying to find and hire a UI
designer but it's proving to be rather challenging. We are using Scrum
for our Agile development and I'm looking to hire someone to do pair
programming with. (I'm a Java developer with rudimentary HTML/CSS
skills so I need someone with excellent HTML/CSS skills and
rudimentary Java skills.) None of us knows much about UI design so
we're struggling a bit trying to identify the right person.

Given the above, part of the process is for me to actually work for up
to an hour with the candidate to see how they work and to see if we
can get along. I basically ask the candidate to write the HTML and CSS
for something like a login screen (i.e. something really simple). This
has proven a major stumbling block which surprised me because even *I*
can do that (and I am *not* good at front end stuff).

My colleagues suggested that perhaps front end people only use tools?
I.e. nobody actually writes HTML by hand anymore? I'd really like to
know your opinion of our process. Would you expect a decent UI person
to be able to write (simple) HTML/CSS from scratch (with an editor
that supports code completion for HTML/CSS)? How would you go about
identifying a capable designer?

(Please note that we also discuss some design problems we're facing
and ask the candidate for opinions and ideas. The candidate can draw
on paper or on a white board. It's not just "write me some HTML".)

Cheers,
Hilco
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Re: [css-d] How do you identify a capable UI designer?

[Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)]

Hilco Wijbenga wrote:

> My colleagues suggested that perhaps front end people only use tools?
> I.e. nobody actually writes HTML by hand anymore?

Speaking as a former webmaster, I would not consider employing
anyone who could not write HTML & CSS using Notepad (or the
platform equivalent).  I may have used (and continue to use,
in my retirement), Macromedia Dreamweaver, and before that,
HoTMetaL PRO, but that is purely for convenience : there is
nothing that DW inserts that I could not insert for myself
using any text editor with which I had a passing familiarity.

But in practice, you seem to be looking for two sets of
skills in a single individual : the ability to design
a good user interface (which is primarily ergonomics),
and the ability to write in HTML & CSS.  There are
undoubtedly people who possess both skills, but they
are almost certainly fewer than those who possess one
or the other but not both.

Philip Taylor
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Re: [css-d] How do you identify a capable UI designer?

[David Laakso]

Hilco Wijbenga wrote:
> At the start-up where I work, we've been trying to find and hire a UI
> designer but it's proving to be rather challenging. 
>
> Cheers,
> Hilco
>   




This list deals primarily with specific CSS questions.

You might post your question to:
web design list 

Best,
~d



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Re: [css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[David Laakso]

Averill Ring at Irisweb wrote:
>   I could use some suggestions with this site
>
> http://irisweb.net/emily
>
>  There's always a difference between the font rendering from IE8 to FF, IE 
> always looking larger and bolder. Is there a fix for this?
>
>
> Averill Ring
>
>
>
>   




Is IE at default?
IE/8
page>zoom 100%>text-size>100%
IE 6/7
view>text size>medium

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Re: [css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[Felix Miata]

On 2010/08/11 16:24 (GMT-0400) Averill Ring at Irisweb composed:

> 2) There's always a difference between the font rendering from IE8 to FF, IE 
> always looking larger and bolder. Is there a fix for this?

As to boldness difference:

I use Windows so little I'm rusty on specifics, but IIRC, IE8 installation
includes having Cleartype turned on for itself, regardless of the
desktop-wide Cleartype setting, which defaults to off. If you want them to
match, change one to match the other.

Note that this is how it will be for users, just something else no designer
can "control" with CSS, but may attempt to with JS.

As to size difference:

Beyond apparent size difference for which the boldness issue above is
responsible, IE's (all versions) font size defaults are DPI dependent (sized
to 12pt), while most other browsers are not, most often but not always
initially sized to 16px. Smaller and/or higher resolution laptops are
typically configured by the vendor to "large fonts", the Windows euphemism
for 120 DPI, while "normal fonts" is the normal Windows default of 96 DPI.
12pt @ 96 DPI is 16px, same size as the 16px browsers' defaults, while 12pt @
120 DPI is 20px, the size CSS large would be in browsers remaining set to
their initial 16px defaults. Users are free to, and do, set their browser
defaults to whatever best suits them, which typically breaks (or worse)
layouts that assume they do not (e.g. those with container widths specified
in px instead of % or em).

See also: http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
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[css-d] need help with IE6 duplicate characters bug

[Arian]

Hey all,

So I been trying to figure out how to get rid of these duplicate characters
on this signup page (Darn client needs IE6 lol):
http://www.arianhojat.com/temp/code/css/duplicate-chars/contact2.html
So all the way at the bottom highlighted in red are the dup chars...
I tried setting display: inline; to the div's etc before "Confirm Contact's
Email Address" field to no avail (as recommended from
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html).

2 things cause this ie6 bug, comments between floats which i dont have. and
display: none; elements which i do...
Not sure thought how to get rid of it.

Clicking on "Check this box if you do NOT have an email address", will cause
the duplicate chars bug to move from the confirm_user_email field to the
user_email above it lol.

Thanks if anyone can help with this IE6 annoyance,
Ari
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Re: [css-d] drop down hover issue...

[Michael Beaudoin]

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Michael Beaudoin  doyn.com> wrote:
> Hey all. Me again.
>
> I'm finally getting a hang of the drop down menus, but I'm having an
> issue with the hover state when one mouses over the submenus.
>
> Right now, the hover on the normal nav item give a bar on top. When I
> trigger the drop down and mouse over an item, the bar also shows up
> and makes the sub menu bounce up and down. I just want a simple text
> color change.
>
> I'm sure it's a cascade issue and I've tried to track it down with no
> success. Any suggestions on a solution, and how to track this kind of
> thing down in the future?
>
> Sample is here: http://www.ba-doyn.com/junk
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Michael
>
> The issue lies in style.css line 20:
>
> ul.dropdown   a:hover  {
> text-decoration: none;
> color: #33;
> border-top-width: 6px;
> border-top-style: solid;
> border-top-color: #673E1F;
> }
>
> This also affects the a:hover of the nested lists.
>
> After this rule you should add another rule that specifies to have  
> no border on the nested lists:
>
> ul.dropdown ul a:hover{
> border:none;
> (text color, etc)
> }
>
> This overrides the previous rule because of two reasons: it is a  
> more specific selector, and it is declared later in the stylesheet.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Alex Mitchell
> http://gumware.com/

That works great. I'm starting to understand the flow of things. Your  
explanation sure helped a lot.

I'm not able to get it to change colors on hover, but I think I can  
figure it out.

Thanks,
Michael
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[css-d] Returning to list and IE problem with background image css in WP

[Jody Levinson]

I fell off this list somehow, but have re-upped.

I am working on a site which is using a purchased WP template as the  
site platform.

This page: http://highroadlesstraffic.com/reviews/endorsements/

Uses the following CSS to create the gray quote mark image leading  
each section:

.endorsementquote {
font-style : italic;
padding-left : 30px;
background-color : transparent;
background-image : 
url("http://highroadlesstraffic.com/wp-content/themes/eBook/images/endorsement-left.png
 
");
background-repeat : no-repeat;
background-attachment : scroll;
background-position : 0% 0%;
}

The CSS validates and it works great in FF, but in IE I only see the  
quote the first time and not on any subsequent uses on the same page.

Clue?

(There are other CSS problems on the site but I am working with the  
template developer to resolve those)

Thanks!

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Re: [css-d] Converting to CSS/XHTML

[David Dorward]

On 13 August 2010 16:52, Lalena  wrote:

> - I am slowly converting all my web pages to CSS and XHTML, and when I
> test one in the W3 online validator, I get this message: " File not
> found: import file://localhost/lf_styles.css: Operation not
> permitted". (I am uploading my pages from my local drive, checking
> them before I make them live.) I double-checked in my folder and the
> "lf_styles.css" file is there. Why might I be having this problem; any
> ideas?

Because you are uploading files, and browsers don't let web servers
ask them to upload arbitrary files! If you reference an external file
via file upload, it will break.

> - Do I need to change all my  tags to  ? Or  ? I found
> conflicting info when I Googled this.

If you are writing XHTML and pretending it is HTML (which you have to
do if you want it to work in Internet Explorer and usually makes using
XHTML far more effort then it is worth) then .

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.6
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_2

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Re: [css-d] How do you identify a capable UI designer?

[Eric A. Meyer]

At 1:45 PM -0400 8/13/10, David Laakso wrote:

>Hilco Wijbenga wrote:
>>  At the start-up where I work, we've been trying to find and hire a UI
>>  designer but it's proving to be rather challenging.
>
>You might post your question to:
>web design list 

That would, in fact, be the appropriate venue for the original 
question.  Let's not take the thread any further here.  Thank you.

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Re: [css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[David Laakso]

Averill Ring at Irisweb wrote:
>   I could use some suggestions with this site
>
> http://irisweb.net/emily
>
> I've tried to get the bottom of the right column to line up vertically with 
> the bottom of the left column. If I make a height declaration for 
> #contentright it drops it down and renders it as 79 px wide. I only want to 
> do this on pages where the text is shorter than the left-sided photo.
>
>
>
> Averill Ring
>   





Note that in addition to the height problem you wrote about that you are 
dropping the float in IE 6/7.
This sample page should correct all that:

In the markup delete all the paragraph spacers.
And please see:

Explanations in the embedded CSS.
Cursory checked in FF and IE 6/7/8.

Best,
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[css-d] Re-entry into Web design

[Keith Purtell]

Six years ago I was a self-taught Web designer just as CSS was becoming
widespread. I used some CSS on our company intranet. I am re-entering
the field. I've been reading Eric Meyer's book with great interest. I've
also done a lot of peeking at other people's code at different sites. I
plan to revise a sample page (using CSS) from my old "hobby" site and
upload it to my domain in a few weeks. I'd like to be able to post the
link here and get comments/troubleshooting. Hope that's OK.

- Keith Purtell



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[css-d] IE gets me so upset

[David McGlone]

Hi guys, I've been working on a really simple style sheet that contains
this:

.content { 
  width: 750px;
  float: left;
  border: 1px solid #ff0;
}

.content product {
float: left;
border: 1px solid #ff;
margin-bottom: 15px;
background: #f9f9f9 url(../../images/product-bg.png) repeat-x;
}

It's simple, it's just a wrapper .content and a wrapper for each product
from the database. In Firefox it works just fine, but none of it works
in any version of IE at all. I'm thinking it might be due to the fact I
have each style declared in 2 separate files, but thats hard to believe.

Here's the 2 code snippets from both files:

file index.tpl:

 
  {include file=$obj->mContentsCell}


file product_list.tpl:

 
   {if $obj->mProducts[k].thumbnail neq ""}
   
   
  {/if}

...snipped rest of code

  


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Re: [css-d] IE gets me so upset

[Michael Geary]

David, I don't know the cause of the problem, but I can offer a
troubleshooting tip or two...

First, forget about the content of your .tpl files. They are completely
irrelevant.

When troubleshooting a problem with HTML, CSS, or JavaScript code, the only
thing that can affect the browser is what the the browser actually receives
over the wire. The browser doesn't know or care whether your HTML comes from
a .tpl file, an ASP page, Ruby on Rails, or a hard coded static page.

The best thing would be if you can post a link to the failing page. That way
anyone who wants to help can see what the browser sees. If that's not
possible, then at least post the actual code that the browser receives (View
Source etc.), not what's on your server. But a link would be by far the
best.

-Mike
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Re: [css-d] IE gets me so upset

[Thierry Koblentz]

> Hi guys, I've been working on a really simple style sheet that contains
> this:
> 
> .content {
>   width: 750px;
>   float: left;
>   border: 1px solid #ff0;
> }
> 
> .content product {
> float: left;
> border: 1px solid #ff;
> margin-bottom: 15px;
> background: #f9f9f9 url(../../images/product-bg.png) repeat-x;
> }
>

It seems you're creating a "product" element and that's what you're styling.
For this to "work" in IE you'll have to use this:

document.createElement('product');

But the question is: why do you use ?

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Re: [css-d] Re-entry into Web design

[David Laakso]

Keith Purtell wrote:
>  I'd like to be able to post the
> link here and get comments/troubleshooting. Hope that's OK.
>
> - Keith Purtell
>   





CSS related questions are almost always welcome here as far as I know. 
So, post your question [s]. And, welcome to the list... if you have not 
been here before.

Best,
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[css-d] Webkit problem with a list - I just can't figure it out

[Nate]

  Hey guys,

There is a problem with the way a nested unordered list in my sidebar is 
rendering. In Firefox everything is working fine (doesn't it always?), 
but in webkit browsers the first li renders properly while it's siblings 
are bumped to the right about 50px. I spend about 3 hours looking at it 
today and just could not figure it out. I could really use somebody with 
a fresh set of eyes to look at it and see if I have missed anything 
obvious. Could one of you please help me out?

Link: http://dev.texasgolfhof.org/



Thanks,

Nate
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Re: [css-d] Assorted CSS questions

[David Laakso]

Averill Ring wrote:
>  David, you ... 
> Averill
>
>
>>>   I could use some suggestions with this site
>>>
>>> http://irisweb.net/emily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Averill Ring
>






Averill,

O.K. I hope it works out for you.

It is a good to reply to the list as others may wish to express their 
opinion.

Best,
~d

PS Bottom posting is not a list policy but it is appreciated. Thanks.


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Re: [css-d] Webkit problem with a list - I just can't figure it out

[Beth Lee]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Nate  wrote:
>  Hey guys,
>
> There is a problem with the way a nested unordered list in my sidebar is
> rendering. In Firefox everything is working fine (doesn't it always?),
> but in webkit browsers the first li renders properly while it's siblings
> are bumped to the right about 50px.

I think your nested list items would render correctly if they were
surrounded by  tags.

Beth
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