Re: [css-d] New website
Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. I am going to see what Gzipping the files and images is going to take. Right now I just replace the theme images with a fresh crunch and things are loading much quicker. Now I have to download all the images in the uploads folder and do the same. Thanks for the tips and feedback everyone! Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Mike O'Toole wrote: > Karl, > > I used a different speed test that gives a LOT of tips on each aspect of the > time to completion. There is a wealth of insight in the tips, in a few cases > they fizzle out (tips) but this list is awesome with feedback! In my 1st test > page load speed was 5.1 seconds, a second one 4.9 seconds. > > https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tpsautoshippers.com/5MxjYmgX > > The biggest takeaway in that was the first file took 1.2 seconds to be > requested and delivered. One site I have on shared hosting (about 1,500 sites > total) loads the first file in 111 milliseconds, about 10 times faster. I > would try to get that below a 1/2 second, preferably 1/4 second (250 > milliseconds). > > I have target page load times of: non-profit (1.5 seconds or less); for > profit 1.2 seconds (usually have lots more trinkets, scripts and graphics). > > On that test site a B minus grade on both tests (PageSpeed & YSlow) is > readily achievable with MOST themes PROVIDED your host allows GZIP for all > files AND has a caching firewall between the server and the Internet. > > As to some of their 'advanced' score categories - few shared hosts allow > setting header expiration headers nor enitity tags. so don't swaet trying for > A minus or above, especially if you have multiple scripts and css files > loading. > > Mike > > On 01/29/2016 10:35 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: >> Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker. >> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/ >> I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't >> think I've done. >> >> Best, >> >> Karl DeSaulniers >> Design Drumm >> http://designdrumm.com >> >> >> >> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell wrote: >> >>> Hi Karl, >>> >>> I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine. What >>> really stands out to me is the slow performance: >>> http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly. >>> >>> I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo. >>> >>> I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers" wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website >>> I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and >>> work on old IEs as well. >>> Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if >>> you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on >>> assisted devices, hoping it does. >>> >>> I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know >>> if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) >>> TIA >>> >>> http://tpsautoshippers.com >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Karl DeSaulniers >>> Design Drumm >>> http://designdrumm.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] >>> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d >>> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ >>> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html >>> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> __ >> css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] >> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d >> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ >> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html >> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > __ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Karl, I used a different speed test that gives a LOT of tips on each aspect of the time to completion. There is a wealth of insight in the tips, in a few cases they fizzle out (tips) but this list is awesome with feedback! In my 1st test page load speed was 5.1 seconds, a second one 4.9 seconds. https://gtmetrix.com/reports/tpsautoshippers.com/5MxjYmgX The biggest takeaway in that was the first file took 1.2 seconds to be requested and delivered. One site I have on shared hosting (about 1,500 sites total) loads the first file in 111 milliseconds, about 10 times faster. I would try to get that below a 1/2 second, preferably 1/4 second (250 milliseconds). I have target page load times of: non-profit (1.5 seconds or less); for profit 1.2 seconds (usually have lots more trinkets, scripts and graphics). On that test site a B minus grade on both tests (PageSpeed & YSlow) is readily achievable with MOST themes PROVIDED your host allows GZIP for all files AND has a caching firewall between the server and the Internet. As to some of their 'advanced' score categories - few shared hosts allow setting header expiration headers nor enitity tags. so don't swaet trying for A minus or above, especially if you have multiple scripts and css files loading. Mike On 01/29/2016 10:35 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker. http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/ I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't think I've done. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell wrote: Hi Karl, I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine. What really stands out to me is the slow performance: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly. I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo. I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader. Chris On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers" wrote: Hi All, I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work on old IEs as well. Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on assisted devices, hoping it does. I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) TIA http://tpsautoshippers.com Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Looks like its a varying degree. My test was a little quicker. http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_ED_5MQ/ I guess I can look into gzipping the transfer. That's something I don't think I've done. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell wrote: > Hi Karl, > > I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine. What > really stands out to me is the slow performance: > http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly. > > I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo. > > I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader. > > Chris > > On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers" wrote: > Hi All, > I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I > just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work > on old IEs as well. > Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if > you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on > assisted devices, hoping it does. > > I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if > you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) > TIA > > http://tpsautoshippers.com > > Best, > > Karl DeSaulniers > Design Drumm > http://designdrumm.com > > > > __ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Ah, thanks Chris, I guess I should mention this is a purchased WordPress theme that has been updated and modified by me. So some of the loading and excess scrolling and imagery was pre-built. I tried crunching my PNGs and JPEGs, but I admit there are a lot. Not sure what to do more than that. Any tips? Thanks for the feedback! Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Chris Rockwell wrote: > Hi Karl, > > I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine. What > really stands out to me is the slow performance: > http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly. > > I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo. > > I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader. > > Chris > > On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers" wrote: > Hi All, > I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I > just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work > on old IEs as well. > Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if > you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on > assisted devices, hoping it does. > > I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if > you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) > TIA > > http://tpsautoshippers.com > > Best, > > Karl DeSaulniers > Design Drumm > http://designdrumm.com > > > > __ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Hi Karl, I loaded the site on a Nexus 5 and the breakpoints seem to work fine. What really stands out to me is the slow performance: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/160130_65_54P/. It loaded very slowly. I would focus on performance first, which does have an effect on seo. I use chrome Vox to test with a screen reader. Chris On Jan 29, 2016 9:49 PM, "Karl DeSaulniers" wrote: > Hi All, > I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website > I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and > work on old IEs as well. > Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if > you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on > assisted devices, hoping it does. > > I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know > if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) > TIA > > http://tpsautoshippers.com > > Best, > > Karl DeSaulniers > Design Drumm > http://designdrumm.com > > > > __ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] New website
Hi All, I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work on old IEs as well. Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on assisted devices, hoping it does. I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) TIA http://tpsautoshippers.com Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Sorry Philippe, The css you get to see was done by someone else. Most of my css "from scratch" is in the admin area. I did modifications to that css. You might be able to see the difference in style of writing. I cuddle my braces. So your saying put all the css for all users in on css file then minify? This is a WordPress theme that allows the user to select different types of css or add their own I might mention. I don't know how putting all the css together would work in this scenario. Where can I minify if I am not using node.js? I will do my own google search too, just wondering of any gold links out there people have sworn by. TIA Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > > Oh, no, I don’t think so, particularly as you load all stylesheets for > everybody. > > You could eventually split them up based on media queries, but otherwise > there is little or no benefit. > e.g. > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Media_Queries/Using_media_queries > > Something more you can do: minify your stylesheet(s). The browser/end user > doesn’t need all your comments… And it does make a difference. I have a > project under development, the stylesheet is about 135Kb; minified it is > reduced to 75Kb, and then Gzip will bring it down to something like 40Kb. > That applies to JS feels as well, btw. > > I use https://github.com/jakubpawlowicz/clean-css for that. > There is an online version here: http://gpbmike.github.io/refresh-sf/ > > Philippe > -- > Philippe Wittenbergh > http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 13:00, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: > > however I was told to split > the css files up so there was less code to load and less load time. Oh, no, I don’t think so, particularly as you load all stylesheets for everybody. You could eventually split them up based on media queries, but otherwise there is little or no benefit. e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Media_Queries/Using_media_queries Something more you can do: minify your stylesheet(s). The browser/end user doesn’t need all your comments… And it does make a difference. I have a project under development, the stylesheet is about 135Kb; minified it is reduced to 75Kb, and then Gzip will bring it down to something like 40Kb. That applies to JS feels as well, btw. I use https://github.com/jakubpawlowicz/clean-css for that. There is an online version here: http://gpbmike.github.io/refresh-sf/ Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
Thanks Philippe, I have ImageOptim and did crunch them. I will do again. As far as the Gzip, I agree, however I was told to split the css files up so there was less code to load and less load time. Mind you when the Gzip is in place it make more of a difference. Was I told wrong?? Thank you for your feedback. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > > You really should look into the network performance. The site loaded quite > slowly here (Japan, on a 1Gps pipe, Safari 9.0). Crunch your images with > Imageoptim [1]. Gzip your stylesheets [2]. Merge you stylesheets. > > I didn’t run into particular issues otherwise. > > Listen — with the proverbial big grain of salt — to Google Page speed > insights > https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftpsautoshippers.com > > [1] I took this image: > http://tpsautoshippers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DomesticDelivery_slide2-1600x569.jpg?1454124914409, > and ImageOptim crunched it from 214Kb to 199Kb (that is 7%). > > [2] example: > http://www.whatsmyip.org/http-compression-test/?url=aHR0cDovL3Rwc2F1dG9zaGlwcGVycy5jb20vd3AtY29udGVudC90aGVtZXMvR2FyYWdlL3N0eWxlLmNzcw== > > Philippe > -- > Philippe Wittenbergh > http://l-c-n.com/ > > > > > > __ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New website
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:49, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: > > I would really appreciate feedback from you guys on this WordPress website I > just finished. It "should" be responsive on most if not all screens and work > on old IEs as well. > Any tips for SEO would be great, but OT for this list, so send off-list if > you feel obliged. My SEO foo is rookie at best. Not sure how it works on > assisted devices, hoping it does. > > I am actually excited to share, so If you run into any snags, let me know if > you would be so kind, but over all, what do you think? :) > TIA > > http://tpsautoshippers.com You really should look into the network performance. The site loaded quite slowly here (Japan, on a 1Gps pipe, Safari 9.0). Crunch your images with Imageoptim [1]. Gzip your stylesheets [2]. Merge you stylesheets. I didn’t run into particular issues otherwise. Listen — with the proverbial big grain of salt — to Google Page speed insights https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftpsautoshippers.com [1] I took this image: http://tpsautoshippers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DomesticDelivery_slide2-1600x569.jpg?1454124914409, and ImageOptim crunched it from 214Kb to 199Kb (that is 7%). [2] example: http://www.whatsmyip.org/http-compression-test/?url=aHR0cDovL3Rwc2F1dG9zaGlwcGVycy5jb20vd3AtY29udGVudC90aGVtZXMvR2FyYWdlL3N0eWxlLmNzcw== Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Best technique for: Any number of columns, plus fixed margin, in a responsive parent container
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:08 AM, sullivanlehdesigns wrote: > Check out gridsetapp.com > If the site is simpler, http://getskeleton.com/ is great. Cool! Thanks! > I don’t personally use frameworks because I want to understand the code Ditto! I mean, I use frameworks, but I also like to understand fundamentals and such. :) Thanks again! Cheers, Micky __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
