Re: [css-d] Site Check - IE6

2007-07-13 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/13/07, Don Stefani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 HI,
 I could use a confirmation that this site: www.sunsetmusic.biz is not
 showing bad floats in IE6.

I can confirm on IE6 / Windows 2000 that it looks correct.

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Re: [css-d] prevent drop-downs from sticking?

2007-07-12 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/12/07, Mary Jo Sinner Savageau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://ecologic.taopowered.net/templates/index1.htm -- to see the problem, 
 click on any of the top menu items except the two at the far right

Hi Mary Jo,

I am unable to reproduce this effect in either Firefox 2 or IE 6.  Can
you please tell us what browser and version you are seeing this happen
in?

Thanks,
Brian
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Re: [css-d] prevent drop-downs from sticking?

2007-07-12 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/12/07, Mary Jo Sinner Savageau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, IE7

Hi Mary,

I'm not 100% positive; but I believe this is describing a fix for the
problem you're experiencing:

http://www.builtfromsource.com/2006/10/23/a-fix-for-suckerfish-dropdowns-in-ie-7/
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Re: [css-d] CSS Menu not Layering over Flash

2007-07-12 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/9/07, Ricky Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As a side note, the wmode attribute isn't supported in Firefox on Linux
 at all (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137189).

Interesting that you should post that as the next day it was marked as
FIXED in Bugzilla

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137189

Adobe will have to make a slight modification to their Flash plugin
for Linux, but it seems we will finally get wmode support there.

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Re: [css-d] double border-style in IE7

2007-07-10 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 7/10/07, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In your case, it seems that there is a simple way: wrap the element div
 id=main.../div inside an outer div, and set the outer div's
 background color to the desired value (white, in this case).

An alternative solution (also using nested divs) would be to set the
border of your current div to 1px solid, add an inner div with a
transparent background, 2px margins, and a 1px solid border as well.

I'm not sure which method is preferable--I had actually typed my
method above before Jukka's email arrived in my inbox.  I think
Jukka's might win out simply because available (inner) size and
occupied space would not change from what you'd expect using a double
border.

Thanks also for pointing out that the specs had no clarification on
which method is considered correct.

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[css-d] Changing the tiling starting point?

2007-07-05 Thread Brian Crescimanno
I have a need to change the starting point of a tiled image.

See this CSS:

#element{
background: url(../images/inside_pg_bg.gif) repeat-y #000;
background-position: 0 116px;
}

The desired effect would be to have the background be #000 until
116px down the page where the background image would begin and tile
vertically from there forward.  The actual effect is the image tiles
as usual from top to bottom of the element.

Is there any way of doing what I'm describing here?

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-21 Thread Brian Crescimanno
That's a lot of great information arguing in favor of allowing for
complete user control over text size and I'll be the first to say that
I love the concept.  However, the difficulty comes in reconciling that
desire with the design at hand.

Example: I have a fixed width design that is 760px wide and I need to
put 5-tab navigation across the top.  There is a finite amount of
space to work with--allowing the text to expand beyond certain limits
ends up breaking your layout.

So does anyone have some suggestions, or perhaps even some URLs to
discuss how to make these two concepts mesh?

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] Best way for text when enlarged

2007-06-21 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/21/07, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let's see what you've got. Provide a uri to your example.
 Best,
 ~dL

Oh, I'm speaking in a purely academic sense here based on my
experience of layouts that don't really account for text resizing (as
an aside, I am not a designer, I work on an implementation team so I
often don't have very much input into the visual design).

I use em's almost exclusively; but only for the sake of allowing text
to be resized and with the understanding that users changing that size
will likely cause problems with the layout.  The argument of many of
the examples above is that we use 1em as our base size (typically 16pt
font in IE or Firefox by default) and give full control to the user to
change that text size as they see fit while at the same time repeating
over and over that research shows that 12pt is the preferred font
size of a majority of Internet users.

With ems, we have to rely on the user setting to know where that base
is--the default is 16pt.  How many users have changed it?  How many
change it on every page they view until they come to the appropriate
size for their needs?  In any of these cases, designers must make some
assumption about what users have done; the majority from what I've
seen tend to leave the default font-size setting as it is; and we
implement our pages based on that assumption--using ems or percentages
to scale the 16pt default to the 12pt preferred size.  By using ems,
we do ensure that people are able to make the text larger--but many
materials cited in this discussion say its still bad practice.

Even as a believer in highly accessible design, I have to ask if
there's a point where we've struggled to provide it to a degree that
usability suffers--that is, can we grow so focused on serving the
long tail that we forget about the beast its attached to?

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Re: [css-d] Tricky layout: centred site with bg images stretching to the left

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Hi Simone,

Is something like this what you are trying to achieve?

http://pfmoon.com/

This one was tricky for me and I came up with a less than perfect
solution (but with the budget this client was working with, I couldn't
hammer at it for hours to try to get something proper worked out).  If
this is the effect you're looking for, it might serve as a good
starting point for implementing it.

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Re: [css-d] Ideas for handling text with CSS

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone has a link or information as how to best handle
 text with CSS.  By text I mean a line of text that may include 3 pieces of
 information, like name, phone, and email address.

 I found a site that mentioned word-spacing, but that won't work because I
 don't want a large amount of spacing between the first and last name.

Is the information you're trying to present best represented by a
table?  You may find that if you're listing several contacts, a
contacts table might be the best way to do it.

One pure CSS solution would look like this:

pspanName/spanspanPhone/spanspanEmail/span/p

p span{ display: block; float: left; margin: 0 10px; }

But again, CSS isn't about eliminating tables--its about learning to
use them only when the information you're presenting wouldn't be best
presented in a table.

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Re: [css-d] expandable menu woes again

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/20/07, Zoe M. Gillenwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (You really should try to get your client to upgrade to IE 6 at least.
 Try telling them that their browser is several years old and thus
 vulnerable to lots of virus and spyware attacks. That usually works.)

Good technique; and where I go here may be out of bounds--but I think
it warrants discussion: is there a browser version you can point to
and say look, I'm sorry, we just can't support that.  In my opinion,
IE 5.5 has not been standard issue since 2000 or early 2001 at the
very latest; that is, it is at the very least 6-7 years old.

I would hope, at this point, we can all agree that attempting to
support Netscape 4.x (released 1998) or IE 4.x, and probably 5.x is
just out of the question.  But when is it reasonable for us to point
to IE5.5, its broken box model, and its complete lack of support from
Microsoft and say Nope, not doing it.  Quite frankly, I'm already in
that boat personally, but I do see a lot of people still considering
it at this point and I really do wonder why.

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Re: [css-d] Problem centering div

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/20/07, Lyn Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a problem centering a menu I have within a div. I have tried using
 many methods but I get no luck.

have you tried:

div#buttons ul{ width: XXXpx; margin: 0 auto; } where width is set
equal to the menu's width?

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Re: [css-d] Netscape problems

2007-06-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/15/07, trevor bayliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My page is validated but I am having problems with the ajax divs for some 
 reason they mess up with netscape:
   Netscape 4.78 (no Flash)  Windows 2000 Professional
   Netscape 6.2.3 (No Flash)Windows XP
   Netscape 6.2 (no Flash)   Windows 2000 Professional

Netscape 4.7x was released in 2000--and even then it was based mostly
on the 4.x codebase that was released in 1998.  Simply put; supporting
AJAX technology wasn't even on the horizon.

The Netscape 6.2 series was based on very early pre-release Mozilla
code which was not at all ready for mass consumption; trying to
support it in any modern setting is, as its 4.x predecessor, nearly
impossible.

It's (in a way) admirable that you are concerned with supporting as
wide a variety of browsers as possible; but the browsers you are
talking about just don't have support for modern websites and
applications.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Framesworks

2007-06-14 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/14/07, Dave Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not a serious HTTP issue as the stylesheets will be cached once downloaded.

Also, if you're very concerned about minimizing requests, you can
always create a script that concatenates your development files into
one large file which is then included by the website.

Just because its broken up in the development environment doesn't mean
it has to be served up that way.

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Re: [css-d] One bug left - Suckerfish Menu hides

2007-06-12 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/12/07, Jörn Kretzschmar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Only as I hover over the link the submenu block is visibel. Why?

It appears to be that your links in your first-level drop downs are
not set to height and width at 100% and that you are using their hover
event to activate the sub-level items.  The effect I'm getting is that
as soon as my mouse goes outside the link area, the 2nd level of the
flyouts disappears.

Try setting your a tags in there to include:

a{ display: block; height: 100%; width: 100%; } to force them to
expand to the size of their parent element which should, in theory,
cause you not to go outside the link area.

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Re: [css-d] QUESTION: WYSIWYGs and CSS?

2007-06-07 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 6/7/07, Melissa Carraway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My problem is that this site is going to be edited by the client in
 Contribute. The site looks fine in Mozilla and in IE, but for some
 reason when I open it in Contribute, it doesn't work at all!

The reason is that Contribute's HTML rendering while in edit mode is
terrible--but only slightly worse than Dreamweaver.  Some people try
to say it operates similarly to IE6 in either  quirks or standards
mode--but neither is the case.

That said, I have yet to find any 3-column solution which will render
properly in Dreamweaver's design view or Contribute's editor.  If
your client needs a 3-column design and doesn't have any particular
attachment to Contribute (which it doesn't sound like s/he does)
consider yourself lucky and find a different means of content
management.

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[css-d] IE6 fails with suckerfish nav with active state

2007-05-30 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Combining several techniques, I've created the top level navigation
for this page here:

http://demo.kelleninteractive.net/phii/www/test.html

The images that are used for the navigation are structured as follows:

http://demo.kelleninteractive.net/phii/www/images/nav_subjects.gif
top: normal state
middle: hover state
bottom: active state

Firefox2 behaves as expected, so you can view that page in Firefox 2.x
to see the desired results.

Here is a chunk of the relevant CSS (the code for 1 of the navigation items)

#nav li#nav_programs{
   background: url(../images/nav_programs.gif) no-repeat; width: 67px;
}

#nav li#nav_programs:hover, #nav li#nav_programs.sfhover{
   background-position: 0 -43px;
}

#nav li#nav_programs.active{
   background-position: 0 -86px;
}

IE6 will only process the first declaration.  That is; the way it is
set up now, the hover state will work correctly but the active state
will not.  If I declare the active state first in the css, the active
state will work and the hover state will not.

Any advice or help would be much appreciated; I've been beating my
head against a wall on this one for about an hour.

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Re: [css-d] Divitis?

2007-05-29 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Out of curiosity, why not use an unordered list--it would seem more
semantically correct in this situation.

You could change your div to a ul and wrap your items in li tags; then
you can set the background of the the li tag to the image you want and
position it appropriately.

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Re: [css-d] USING RELATIVE AND ABSOLUTE POSITIONING

2007-05-23 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/23/07, Jason Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is the one and only thing i learned about these two properties,
 relative and positioning. are there any other things that you can do with
 them?


Hi Jason,

Perhaps the most commonly used feature available when relative or
absolute positioning is used is the z-index.  I use it most often when
I have a transparent gif or png image that I want to overlap certain
sections of the page; relative positioning allows me to move the
element outside of the document's normal flow and z-index ensures that
its always above the other elements.

Here are a couple of URL's with some helpful information as to how
each position type works; they should help get you started:

Learn CSS Positioning in 10 Steps
http://www.barelyfitz.com/screencast/html-training/css/positioning/

BrainJar.com: CSS Positioning
http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/

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Re: [css-d] Simple design

2007-05-21 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Do you have URL's you could show us of:

1) What you're trying to replicate (the old tables version)
2) Your current attempt.

They would be very helpful for us to get a clearer picture of what's going on.

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] CSS Drop Downs over Flash

2007-05-19 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/18/07, Zachary M. Berke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm trying to use z-index'ing to make some CSS drop downs ride over a Flash
 Movie.

You will need to make sure the wmode of the movie in flash is set to
transparent; that will allow the menus to render above the flash
movie.  This will work for both windows and the mac; however, it will
not work under Linux.  It is a known bug with flash for linux.
Z-index won't affect it going over flash--the flash doesn't respect
the layering rules of z-index.

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Re: [css-d] enclosing a div in another one

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/18/07, James Gadrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 James Hague wrote:
   hi ..
 
  in an example like the one below .. how can one enclose the regContainer div
  inside the mainFrame div irrespective of the content of the regContainer.
  The clearer div is not doing the trick!  a large content of 'regContainer'
  pushes its lower edge below the main frame!

 The issue here is that you've specified that .mainFrame is 100% of the
 height of the body. And, according to the display: block; specs content
 too large to fit within its container is supposed to spill out of the
 container by default (not that IE respects that spec but that's another
 issue).


(truncated)

 Not sure exactly what you would like to happen but you can either remove
 the height property on your mainFrame (and thus allow it to expand to
 fit the content) but making your page scroll (which is normally accepted
 behaviour).

 Or you can apply another height to the .regContainer that fits
 terminates the border within .mainFrame and then set it's overflow
 property for whatever you would like to happen if the content spills off
 the page (presumably you would like the interior content to scroll and
 thus you would use overflow: auto).


Alternatively, you can use the min-height property as opposed to the
height property--that will make sure its 100% at minimum and still
allow it to expand beyond that to contain other content.

IE6 will not respect this, but it treats the height property as if it
were the min-height property; so you could use the Holly Hack or
conditional comments to include a declaration of height for IE only.

As a side note; whenever I see someone declaring height 100%, I remind
them that it doesn't work exactly like you might expect it to if
you're thinking about old HTML table height.  There's a pretty good
explanation here:

http://apptools.com/examples/tableheight.php

Apologies if you were already aware--but I know its a common question.

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Re: [css-d] Multiple elements changing on hover

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Hi Jona,

Change:

#tracklist .track-desc h3:hover {
color: #eb6810;
}

To:

#tracklist a:hover h3 {
color: #eb6810;
}

Tested here in IE6 and FF2/win

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Re: [css-d] bottom image for list

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, coolman coolx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It works well with dots showing in Firefox and other browsers but it shows
 dash in IE based browsers so I created a dot image but am lost as to which
 style to use as I had already used the background image for the bullets. Is
 there a way I can do the border-bottom using image?

You cannot use an image for a border; however, if you have an inner
element, you could apply one of your necessary backgrounds to the
outer and one to the inner as such:

ul
   lia href=#First Item/a/li
   lia href=#Second Item//li
/ul


li{ background: url(bottom_dots.gif) left bottom repeat-x; }
li a{ background: url(bullet.gif) no-repeat transparent; }

Hope this helps,
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Re: [css-d] help

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/16/07, Laurel-Lea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone tell me how to hyperlink a background image?

You'd need to hide a text link in there like so:

ul
   lia href=#Link Text/a/li
/ul


li{ /* set your background and other relevant styling here */ }
li a{ display: block; width: 100%; height: 100%; text-indent: -999em; }

The text indent should hide your text off the page and the background
will appear linked.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [css-d] IE7 a la Dean Edwards

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
The main issue with something like this is it will harm; not hurt,
your testing environment.  Installed on your machine, you will get
this more standards compliant version of IE.  However, I would
imagine you have to work with the assumption that 99% of IE users
would not have this addon installed--and thus, your copy of IE would
be useless for testing.

As to the validity of the project itself--I can't speak on it because
I've never tried it.

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Re: [css-d] Padding Issue

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, Steve LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What do I need to do to make the padding work the same in both Firefox 
 IE 6?

 .esu_news {

 padding: 10px 0px 0px 20px;

 }

Ensure that you're using a proper doctype to put IE into standards
mode and the box model should behave appropriately with respect to
padding.

The w3c maintains a valid doctype list here:

http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

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Re: [css-d] z-index problem

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The problem is that the horizontal menu in the header is partially
 obscured by the header graphic resulting in a:hover not working in all
 the menu items. I made the graphic (currently with a temporary border)
 as narrow as I could with a tranparent background so that the header
 section (the darker blue bar and the white bar) could vary in width with
 the screen size. I used a z-index so that the points of the crown would
 show outside the containing box.

HI Rick,

When using z-index, the element to which you are applying that z-index
must be positioned either relatively or absolutely.  Try adding it to
your a elements in the menu bar and it should bump them up (though you
may have some other tweaks to do after you change the positioning to
relative).

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Re: [css-d] 3 column layout without absolute positioning

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am working on a redesign of an existing site, and I wanted to go with CSS 
 for
 layout instead of the current table layout. The new design consists of a gray
 body background, a centered DIV with images positioned at the top and a black
 background that blends into the bottom of the images. Inside that, there's a
 centered content area DIV which has a white background and a border. But 
 there's
 a few problems I've run into.

After being continually frustrated with 3 column layouts and
inconsistencies, I finally just decided to adapt to the 3 column
templates provided at Dynamic Drive for my purposes when I needed to
use them:

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/

As a word of warning--these layouts work great in browsers but will
look horrendous in the Dreamweaver design view or Adobe Contribute.
If neither of those items are considerations, then I've found them to
be a great resource.

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Re: [css-d] font-size-adjust

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, Sam Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The example given clearly shows that the browser knows the x-height of
 Times New Roman to do the calculation.  I don't see why a CSS coder should

 need to code the x-height of the first font, Verdana?

 Wouldn't it make more sense to simply enable or disable font-size-adjust?

 What am I missing?

 Sam

Hi Sam,

My understanding of the functionality is that it overrides the default
behavior which would be as follows:

body{ font-size 10px Verdana, Times New Roman; }

In this case, if Verdana were not available, the font chosen would be
Times New Roman at 10px.  By using the font-size-adjust, you are able
to compensate for the clear difference in perceived size between
Verdana (which is readable at 10px) and Times New Roman (which is
generally not readable at 10px).  The font size (as you pointed out)
would convert to between 12 and 13px for Times New Roman--a much more
readable size.

In this case, the browser knows the x-height of Times New Roman
because the font is available whereas it does not have access to
Verdana (if it did, font-size-adjust would be moot anyway) for
x-height information.

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Re: [css-d] font-size-adjust

2007-05-17 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/17/07, Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I haven't been able to find a reference that lists the perceived size of
 the variety of system fonts so adjustments can be calculated.  Do you know
 if there is one? I'd like to look further into this.

Perceived size was my relatively lame way of trying to put
characterize what the x-height would translate into from a user
perspective.  I don't have a listing of common font x-heights off the
top of my head; but my guess is that someone else on the list will be
able to chime in and fill in the gaps for us.

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Re: [css-d] 100% height problems on Mac

2007-05-16 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/16/07, Lee Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Georg

 Unfortunately that doesn't seem to fix it when I test it in Safari or
 Firefox on a mac...
 Any other ideas?

From what I understand, this is correct behavior for height: 100%.
Setting height to 100% defines it to equal 100% of its container.
Inheritance for this item would be:

Browser
   html 100%
  body 100%
  element 100%

Thus, 100% in this case equal 100% of the height of the browser
window.  This is not a bug, it is per the specifications and renders
the same in Firefox PC:

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visudet.html#the-height-property

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Re: [css-d] I'd like to create a splash page?

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
I'd like to tell you this is impossible as (for many reasons) splash
pages are overall a bad idea.  A couple of references:

http://webdesign.about.com/od/navigation/a/aa020303a.htm
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/splash/

(just happened to come up at the top of Google searches, I'm sure
there are even better resources out there).

However, as I understand that there are clients out there who demand
this sort of thing no matter how much we as designers and developers
try to talk them out of it, I will say that the solution will rely in
javascript which (I'm not sure as I'm new today) would be outside the
scope of this mailing list discussion.  I will say that you should
look into the code for Lightbox as I'm sure it's layer technique could
be easily adapted to create a splash page effect.

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Re: [css-d] remove input border via css?

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/15/07, Del Wegener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have not been able to Google any useful way to eliminate the scrollbar
 other than to color it the same as the page background.  And that seems to
 work only for IE.

 How can I eliminate the vertical scrollbar on a textfield.?

I'm not sure I'm understanding--do you want to hide:

1) an input type=text?
2) a textarea?
3) The scrollbar from a textarea?

For 1 and 2, you can simply use display: none to prevent them from
displaying.  For #3, I'm not sure if there is a way to not display the
scrollbar in a textarea.  Someone else will have to comment.
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Re: [css-d] 2 questions

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
On 5/15/07, Lauri Pantos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi.
 #1 what would be the advantage of defining styles in the head instead of the 
 body?
 #2 is it normal that the style info looks to be commented out, but still 
 works?
 http://www.somtndesign.com/contactus2ak.htm

 Thanks
 Lauri Pantos

Hi Lauri,

The main advantage is actually to define your stylesheets in a
separate file and link that file as such:

link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=/path/to/cssfile.css /

This allows you to make one change and have it apply throughout all
the pages of your site.

The response to your second question is that what you're seeing is an
HTML comment inside a stylesheet.  HTML comments apply only to HTML
code--stylesheet comments look like this:

/* body{ background: #000; } */

The /* and */ open and close the comment in CSS.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [css-d] firefox display problems - need urgent help

2007-05-15 Thread Brian Crescimanno
Firefox 2.0.3 here; I don't see the problem you're referring to.  Can
you point to a specific URL URL where you're seeing the bug?
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