Re: [css-d] PNG IE 6
On 8 July 2011 11:49, david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote: Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh wrote: Developers *used* to ask Can we stop supporting IE6 now? Now we've reached the point were continuing to support IE6 is a mistake, and bad for the community as a whole. The handful of lagging users who still cling to this antiquated platform need a wake-up call. They need a slap on the keyboard rather than a holding hand. Continued support for IE6 is counterproductive--a bad strategy for the community at large. And we've been through this before. My employer uses IE6 for its 1600+ employees. We do this because some of our mission-critical corporate web apps don't work in anything except IE6 (including newer versions of IE). Also, for the month of June, NetMarketShare is still showing over 10% of browsers are IE6, probably related to the fact that over 50% of the OSes are WinXP and a lot of those people (1) don't know how to install a browser, and/or (2) don't run (for whatever reason) Windows Updates. And some of that over 10% is undoubtedly due to employers like David's. Does a business want to dismiss that large a segment of potential customers? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Divitus?
Is this a case of divitus? http://home.comcast.net/~t.r.valentine/testing/ There are six divss for the overall background image plus one for the bookmark image (which I foresee using for a menu). Too much? Is there a simpler way of accomplishing the same thing? I like the layout's flexibility (the background adjusts to the amount of text lengthwise and widthwise, but is never shorter than a bit past the bookmark image). Any help/suggestions appreciated. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] shorthand elements
2009/9/28 Martin Möller ceu...@gmail.com: I like the TROUBLE mnemonic = TRBL I like it! :-D Thanks -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Presentation vs content issue for interlinear text
I'm working on a project to display interlinear text (original language with a very literal word-by-word translation immediately below). The only presentation which my poor imagination can conceive is to place each word in a separate cell with the translating word in a separate cell immediately below (centring the text in every cell to maintain alignment). But this would make searching for phrases (in either language) impossible. Can anyone here with a more creative mind think of another means of presentation? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] white or #FFFFFF?
On 09/07/07, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I've been working on another css drop-down menu and encountered a problem where my menu won't work in IE 6 if I use white for background-color, but will work if I use #FF. For example: background-color: white; /* if used, my menu won't work in IE 6 */ background-color: #FF; /* if used, my menu will work in IE 6 */ Will background-color:#FFF; work? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Web-safe, web-smart, and unsafe colours
On 23/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Government of Canada has issued its second version of its Common Look and Feel Guidelines, and lo and behold they're mandating a CSS-driven design for all GoC websites! They have even dropped support for web-safe colours, but they are now mandating that all colours on GoC websites conform to the web-smart palette. To advertise my ignorance, I've never heard of the web-smart palette before reading these guidelines, so I am wondering if others are using it. It's comprised of 4,096 colours, so its only 12-bit, but I can't ever remember seeing any system with a bit depth between 8 and 16. Does anyone have any thoughts on this palette? Is it actually useful? http://www.morecrayons.com/palettes/webSmart/ http://cloford.com/resources/colours/websmart1.htm (and other sites) Personally, I like it because it matches my (lazy?) preference for setting all colours with three characters only. -- T. R. Valentine Does YOUR browser pass the Acid2 test? http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CSS Menu does not display in IE7beta2
Although still in early stages, I am stumped as to why the left-side menu is completely missing from the display in IE7beta2 (WinXPsp2). The menu displays fine in FF 1.5 and Opera 8. page: http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/new/test3.html Any one run into this problem or have an answer? -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Menu does not display in IE7beta2 // ALA Holy Grail fails in IE7b2
On 06/02/06, Pringle, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TR Valentine wrote:
Although still in early stages, I am stumped as to why the left-side
menu is completely missing from the display in IE7beta2 (WinXPsp2).
The menu displays fine in FF 1.5 and Opera 8.
page: http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/new/test3.html
Any one run into this problem or have an answer?
I see you're using the new holy grail layout from ALA.
Well, trying to! I've modified it to use ems instead of pixels for the
left column so the menu can grow with change of text size -- maybe
that modification creates an unsolvable problem.
You forgot to include the fix for IE:
* html #menu {
left: 150px; /* value equal to the right col width */
}
According to http://www.alistapart.com/articles/holygrail that is
supposed to be for IE6. I tried adding the fix, but it did not fix the
problem.
I went to http://www.alistapart.com/d/holygrail/example_1.html with
IE7b2 and found the left column is also missing. So at least there is
consistency in the problem.
I know there will be other problems (especially in IE sigh), but I'm
trying to win one battle at a time!
:-)
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Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera
(Avoid IE like the plague it is)
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Re: [css-d] Netscape not showing what it should
On 26/11/05, Lizet Pena de Sola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I'm new to the list and glad I found it. I recently finished a small interface project that required the customization of windows media player a couple of web pages. The test url is: http://216.197.219.40/am/LESA_ONE_am_7_files/ This URL bring up the following JavaScript message: The presentation requires Internet Explorer 5.0 or later, Netscape Navigator 7.0 or later, or Internet Explorer 5.2.2 or later for Mac. To download the latest version of Internet Explorer from the Microsoft Web site, click OK. If I click 'Cancel', I get a blank page. If I click 'OK', it takes me to a page pushing Insecure Explorer. No way. This is on a WIndows 2k machine running Opera 8.5. I cannot think of a more user-UN-friendly entry to a web page. I shudder to think what lies underneath the rest of the site. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site check: Onlinetools.org redesign
On 29/09/05, Hershel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate feedback on the upcoming redesign of onlinetools.org: Well then we'll see what we can do. :) http://onlinetools.org/indx.php When it loaded in FF Win 2K something very weird happened--I first saw the Stuff / Tools section and then as I was starting to read it, it disappeared. Same thing in IE Win 2K. That's not so good. Ditto in Opera 8.5/Win2k. Even worse, I was initially able to open the Stuff/Tools section, but after looking around, the section would *not* open (just a little gap [10px] of background would open) enough to read any content. This seemed to have happened after trying to eliminate the Google Ads overlay that was obscuring text, but since I can no longer see the Stuff/Tools section, I can't repeat. Not to be pendantic, but in the About section, the third paragraph begins: 'Under no circumstances you are allowed to change...' -- I think you need to reverse the 'you' and the 'are'. :-) -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Many requirements
On 29/09/05, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob, You wrote: 7) Try your hardest to never use SPAN again. It's a very sloppy way of styling text. Using well structured IDs, classes, and chosing the right CSS selectors is much cleaner. Hmm. I have used SPAN for some things that I haven't thought up any better ways to do. Ditto here. For instance, how does one avoid a span tag for something like small caps in the middle of a sentence (e.g. the 'A.D.' in a date)? I don't like the complexity of my markup very much but I don't agree with your characterization with the pejorative sloppy unless there is a simpler way to get my lines spaced evenly in spite of the fractionals and subscripts. Ditto here. Any ideas for such a simpler way? I'd also like to see suggestions that would eliminate the need for the span tag. The tag hasn't (AFAIK) been deprecated which seems to indicate an awareness of its necessity. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Absolutely position a div within a relatively positioned div?
Is there any way to absolutely position a div *within* a relatively positioned div? IOW, if div elements above the containing div were to expand and push the containing div down, the absolutely positioned div within would be moved with its containing div. If not, is there anything in CSS3 that would make it possible? TIA. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] At what point does it become more beneficial to use CSS?
On 16/09/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I just wonder...at what point does it become more desirable to use CSS as opposed to tables? Aren't tables more compatible? Is it a matter of CSS being easier to maintain in a group of designers or in a corporate setting where changes that come down the pipe are more easily made by changing style sheets? There are many benefits to using CSS, but IMO the most important is accessibility. Sure...CSS is less code, but in today's broadband world, is the difference in code really that significant? Sorry, but there are a LOT of people still using dial-up -- some happy to get 14.4 -- it is a mistake to *assume* everybody is broadband. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] site check
On 09/08/05, Todd Silver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what to do. http://www.toddsilverdesign.net/rottenmittens/index.htm Very nice layout. The links at upper right get a grey background on hover -- and the grey remains when moving mouse away under Opera 8/Win2k. OTOH, under Firefox 1.0.6/Win2k, no grey background appears. The grey-to-maroon colour change on hover works fine on both. hth -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] hacks in IE7 ?
On 04/08/05, Haoshiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only a couple years? I'm a bit more pessimistic. Many web developers are still trying to ensure their site works in IE5/Mac and some even IE5.5/Win. Ditto. I just helped a friend who is using Win98 (not even SE). I wiped his drive and reinstalled 98 and upgraded him to IE6 (but showed him how much nicer the Gecko browsers are and he is now using Mozilla 1.7 and its email client). I imagine there are a lot of 98 users still using IE4. :-( Only Windows XP will be getting IE7. And those willing to shell out $$ for Vista when it becomes available. This means the many W2k users (esp. corporate users) plus those still using NT4, ME, 98SE, and -- shudder -- earlier who either don't know how or are not permitted by their company to install a different browser will still be using IE version 6 or earlier. I'd guess if we don't want to exclude a significant portion of users from our web pages, we will have to support IE5 for at least two more years and IE6 for at least four to five more years. (Trying to be realistic) Nick is right: don't throw away your IE hacks yet. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] UAs which allow user to select alternate style sheets?
I know that Firefox/Win, Mozilla/Win, and Opera 7/WinLinux 8/WinLinux permit a user to select an alternate style sheet from a menu. I've looked for a 'comprehensive' list of UAs that give users this ability, but have been unable to find one. At this point, I'd settle for any kind of listing that includes the main browsers for Windows, Linux, and Mac. Any one know of something like that? -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] conditional import to css?
I like the technique of importing an IE 'hack' stylesheet by using the !--[if IE]link rel=stylesheet href=IE_hack.css . ![endif]-- because it doesn't require good browsers to have to look at a lot of garbage. But I've run into a problem. When using one of my available alternate stylesheets I do not want the IE 'hack' stylesheet. But, because it is in the XHTML file, IE uses it. I was thinking that if there were a way to put a conditional import to the CSS files where I need IE to use the IE hack css file, I could take it out of the XHTML and then it would not be used when I don't need it. Is this possible? Or, is there a better technique? TIA. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] conditional import to css?
On 12/07/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the technique of importing an IE 'hack' stylesheet by using the !--[if IE]link rel=stylesheet href=IE_hack.css . ! [endif]-- because it doesn't require good browsers to have to look at a lot of garbage. But I've run into a problem. When using one of my available alternate stylesheets I do not want the IE 'hack' stylesheet. But, because it is in the XHTML file, IE uses it. You may be able to get the results you want if your alternate stylesheet is linked to after your hack sheet. Then, the alternate would only override the hacks when it is active. I tried this order: default stylesheet (screen) alternate stylesheet (screen) alternate stylesheet (screen) conditional IF in comments for IE alternate stylesheet (screen) -- the one where I don't want the IE hacks default stylesheet (print) javascript /head (I was hoping to use the cascade to my advantage). Is this what you are suggesting? It didn't work. :-( -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How to add Unicode chars with CSS 'content' property?
On 08/07/05, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finding that inserting a Unicode entity (#8217;) using the CSS
'content' property does not work, I converted HTML and CSS to UTF-8
and used the actual character in the 'content' value.
This seemed to work - until I looked on a Mac!
Use the **hex** code for css generated 'content'. For #8217; you should use:
{content: \2019; }
hth
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Re: [css-d] CSS and Typography
On 02/07/05, Alan Milnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gustavo Caetano wrote: For instance: I've been thinking about lists. According to Robert Bringhurst we should hang list bullets outside normal flow text's width. Mark Boulton has illustrated this and other typographical fundaments in his nice series of articles, here: I don't do this - and to be honest I think it looks awful. I agree with Alan -- it *does* look terrible. The points which the bullets are supposed to signify are *much* harder to locate with the eye. And the quotation marks sticking out into the margin area -- I have *never* seen that in the thousands of books, magazines, newspapers, etc. that I've read over more than a couple of decades! I wonder where he got his poop from? -- cause it stinks! IMO, CSS does it correctly. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [Printing problems with DL/DT/DD for numbered paragr aphs] rides again...
On 28/06/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As regards the second approach, it may have use and merit, but its not clear to me how to produce a paragraph with a hanging indent, so that one has what in essence has two columns where one is dedicated to numbering, and the other is dedicated to text, which scales well across a large range of font sizes, and which minimizes markup: == | 1. | This is some text. This is some text. This is some text. | | This is some text. This is some text. This is some text. | | This is some text. This is some text. This is. | 2. | This is different text. This is different text. This is different | | text. This is different text. This is different text. This is dif- | | ferent text. This is different text. This is different text. This. == A hanging-indent can be achieved by using the text-indent property and assigning it a negative value. What would be tricky in the above would be aligning the beginning of the text following the number with the left edge of the other lines. hth, T. R. Valentine __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Opera problems: background images, pure CSS menu
Many thanks to those who replied. As suggested by Bruno Fassino, since Opera does not recognise a percentage height (even when a min-height exists! :-( ), I reverted to a different approach and have added a background image to the p element. Problem solved (except I have to ensure everything I use in that area is contained within a p element). I'm still working on the menu issue. It is basically the menu found at http://www.alistapart.com/discuss/horizdropdowns/12/ by Nick Rigby. If I change the positioning from 'fixed' to 'absolute', there is no problem in Opera, but I really want it in a fixed position which works fine in Firefox. It has me quite perplexed. A bug in Opera, perhaps? XHTML: http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/work.html (includes link to CSS file) CSS: http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/test.css -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Opera problems: background images, pure CSS menu
Argh! I've been beating my head against this. HTML: http://www.plano.lib.il.us/testing/work.html (includes a link to the CSS) CSS: http://www.plano.lib.il.us/testing/test.css Main goals: 1) image should fit around text in completely liquid display / changing width of browser should be a liquid display (background images exist for right, left, top-left, top-right, bottom, bottom-left, and bottom-right) 2) menu should be fixed 3) 2nd level of menu should display only whilst hovering over parent in menu 4) hovering over menu item should create 'button depressed' appearance BACKGROUND IMAGES In Firefox/Win (1.04) this test page works as planned. In Opera/WIn (8.01 and 7.54), most of the background images do not display (see Firefox for intended appearance) as intended. In Opera 7.54, the problem is only with the images on the left, but in Opera 8.01 even the right side does not display. Any ideas why? If there is an easier way of achieving this liquid display within the images, I'd like to learn of it. PURE CSS MENU In Firefox/Win (1.04) this test page works as planned. In Opera/Win (8.01 and 7.54), the menu works as planned ONLY when the upper area of the page is displayed. As one begins to scroll down (narrow the browser display to limit the text to about 100px and create a vertical scroll bar), the 2nd level items of the menu begin to fail to display. Far enough down the page, none of the 2nd level menu items display. This has me really puzzled. BOTH Firefox/Linux behaves as Firefox/Win; Opera/Linux behaves as Opera/Win. I haven't even begun to hack for IE. That's for later. I'd appreciate any help/suggestions/advice. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Re: Firefox positioning bug
check out http://www.walmartfreenyc.com/new/test One of my pet peeves: a site that uses invalid characters (according to Unicode) and doesn't bother to make a charset declaration. Argh! T.R. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Re: Paste plain text to clean HTML
On 6/10/05, Gustavo Caetano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it may be an off topic, I apologize myself in precedence. The fact came up today as I was working on a writer's website. He sent me many of his stuff, all in doc. So, I hade to copy and past the plain text and insert each p and /p for each paragraph of each text myself. Needless to say after the 10th text I couldn't see a p anymore. So, how do you deal if this kind of situation? If you want to keep your code clean, without those weird tags and classes inserted by some softwares that allow you to paste a plain text straight to HTML is there any other alternative than doing like I've done? I may be misunderstanding you, but if you opened a file in MS Word, why not use a series of find replace in Word? First, eliminate double paragraphs ( find ^p^p / replace with ^p ), then use find replace to add the paragraph tags: ( find ^p / replace with /p^pp ). You'll need to add a p before the first paragraph, but the computer shoud end up doing most of the work (the way it's *supposed* to be!) :-) T.R. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
