[css-d] Rounded corners do not apply to child elements

2012-02-09 Thread Markus Ernst

Hello!

I encountered that rounded corners do not seem to apply to child elements:

.roundCorners {
  width:500px;
  height:200px;
  margin:1em auto;
  background:yellow;
  -moz-border-radius:15px;
  -webkit-border-radius:15px;
  border-radius:15px;
}
.roundCorners div {
  width:200px;
  height:200px;
  float:right;
  background:red;
}

div class=roundCorners
  divHello/div
/div

In this example, the right corners of the red child element are not 
rounded in recent versions of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and IE9.


Is this the expected behavior? I did not find anything on the behavior 
of child elements in the spec:

http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-css3-background-20110215/#the-border-radius

I can't imagine that all current implementations are buggy, but from an 
author's POV this behavior does not seem useful to me. If I apply 
rounded corners to a container element, I would not want to re-apply 
them to every child that might be placed in a corner. Is there a decent 
solution to this? Or do you think I should raise this in the www-style list?


Thanks for your comments!
Markus
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners do not apply to child elements

2012-02-09 Thread Jukka K. Korpela

2012-02-09 11:54, Markus Ernst wrote:


I encountered that rounded corners do not seem to apply to child elements:


Right.


Is this the expected behavior? I did not find anything on the behavior
of child elements in the spec:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-css3-background-20110215/#the-border-radius


It is the expected behavior. Inherited: no means that setting 
border-radius on an element affects that element's border only. You 
would need to set it explicitly on any element for which it is desired.


Yucca
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners do not apply to child elements

2012-02-09 Thread Markus Ernst

Am 09.02.2012 11:05 schrieb Jukka K. Korpela:

2012-02-09 11:54, Markus Ernst wrote:


I encountered that rounded corners do not seem to apply to child
elements:


Right.


Is this the expected behavior? I did not find anything on the behavior
of child elements in the spec:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-css3-background-20110215/#the-border-radius


It is the expected behavior. Inherited: no means that setting
border-radius on an element affects that element's border only. You
would need to set it explicitly on any element for which it is desired.


Thanks a lot for your quick answer. There seems to be a special case of 
inheritation here to me. If a property is inherited, it would mean that 
child elements get the same property, which is not desired in the case 
of rounded corners (as any border). In my example, the container element 
makes a box, which contains the inner element:


div class=roundCorners
  divHello/div
/div

Now, if there is a border applied to the container element, the inner 
element is not expected to inherit the border, but it is expected to be 
placed inside the border, rather than covering it.


In the case of rounded corners, I would accordingly expect the inner 
element to be rounded at the edges of the outer element, rather than 
covering the rounded corners (and even covering a possible border of the 
container element at the corners).


Do you think it would make sense to raise this in www-style?
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners do not apply to child elements

2012-02-09 Thread Markus Ernst

Am 09.02.2012 11:38 schrieb Desi Matlock:

Do you think it would make sense to raise this in www-style?


Definitely not, what if you want another div inside that is only a few
pixels smaller, with another set of similar rounded corners? Would you
want to force that div to occur within a forced padding caused by a
rounded corner on an outside div?


I don't understand this - rounded corners do not seem to cause a 
padding, they just seem to affect the rendering of background and image 
contents, as far as I encountered it until now.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners do not apply to child elements

2012-02-09 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Markus Ernst wrote:

 I encountered that rounded corners do not seem to apply to child elements:
 
 […]
 In this example, the right corners of the red child element are not rounded 
 in recent versions of Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and IE9.
 
 Is this the expected behavior? I did not find anything on the behavior of 
 child elements in the spec:
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-css3-background-20110215/#the-border-radius

Yucca already gave you the core of the answer.
In addition: border-radius does not clip child elements.
If you want clipping to happen, try
.roundCorners { overflow: hidden; }
or force the child box to inherit the border-radius

 Now, if there is a border applied to the container element, the inner element 
 is not expected to inherit the border, but it is expected to be placed inside 
 the border, rather than covering it.

 In the case of rounded corners, I would accordingly expect the inner element 
 to be rounded at the edges of the outer element, rather than covering the 
 rounded corners (and even covering a possible border of the container element 
 at the corners).

But the child is not offset by corner (border-radius is a bit a misnomer, it 
should actually be 'corner-radius'). With 'border', the child element is moved 
(it cannot cover the border unless forced to do so).

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-23 Thread Rory Bernstein
 
 
 
 The client didn't care about more/less HTTP requests for 4 tiny tiny images 
 that will appear everywhere (and get cached). The nested containers just 
 plain worked better in ie6, so I went with that. Thanks to all who put in 
 their 2 cents. I appreciated the valuable feedback. Perhaps I'll be able to 
 refine this in further iterations...
 
 Rory
  
 
 
 Rather than refining the corners  in further iterations you might consider a 
 more avant garde approach and just ditch the corners be they round or square 
 altogether... ;-)
 
 Best,
 ~d
 

Well, that would certainly make my life easier, but the client doesn't want to 
change the design. I wish I could tell major corporations to change their 
designs for my convenience, but that day has not arrived yet!   ; )

R
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-22 Thread Rory Bernstein
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Rory Bernstein wrote:

 So, same page:
 
 http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/
 
 New problem: Layout is all messed up in IE7. Have not looked at 6 yet, but 
 expect that is messed up too. Help?


Well, I solved it. (With significant help.) It was actually IE6 that it was 
messed up in (not IE7, so I rewrote the whole thing. I used 4 nested divs, one 
inside the other, each one has one of the corner images, and inside it all is 
the content. Here's the result:

http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/index_nested.html

I really, really hate IE6 and I hope I can completely stop supporting it soon.

Thanks,
Rory
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-22 Thread Thierry Koblentz
  http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/
 
  New problem: Layout is all messed up in IE7. Have not looked at 6
 yet, but expect that is messed up too. Help?
 
 
 Well, I solved it. (With significant help.) It was actually IE6 that it
 was messed up in (not IE7, so I rewrote the whole thing. I used 4
 nested divs, one inside the other, each one has one of the corner
 images, and inside it all is the content. Here's the result:
 
 http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/index_nested.html

fwiw, you are nesting six containers using 4 different images for the
corners. 
Using the method suggested in this thread you could have done that with less
markup and less HTTP requests...


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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-22 Thread Rory Bernstein
 
 
 Well, I solved it. (With significant help.) It was actually IE6 that it
 was messed up in (not IE7, so I rewrote the whole thing. I used 4
 nested divs, one inside the other, each one has one of the corner
 images, and inside it all is the content. Here's the result:
 
 http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/index_nested.html
 
 fwiw, you are nesting six containers using 4 different images for the
 corners. 
 Using the method suggested in this thread you could have done that with less
 markup and less HTTP requests...
 
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 Regards,
 Thierry
 www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz

The client didn't care about more/less HTTP requests for 4 tiny tiny images 
that will appear everywhere (and get cached). The nested containers just plain 
worked better in ie6, so I went with that. Thanks to all who put in their 2 
cents. I appreciated the valuable feedback. Perhaps I'll be able to refine this 
in further iterations...

Rory
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-22 Thread David Laakso
Rory Bernstein wrote:
 Well, I solved it. (With significant help.) It was actually IE6 that it
 was messed up in (not IE7, so I rewrote the whole thing. I used 4
 nested divs, one inside the other, each one has one of the corner
 images, and inside it all is the content. Here's the result:

 http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/index_nested.html
   
 fwiw, you are nesting six containers using 4 different images for the
 corners. 
 Using the method suggested in this thread you could have done that with less
 markup and less HTTP requests...

 --
 Regards,
 Thierry
 www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz
 

 The client didn't care about more/less HTTP requests for 4 tiny tiny images 
 that will appear everywhere (and get cached). The nested containers just 
 plain worked better in ie6, so I went with that. Thanks to all who put in 
 their 2 cents. I appreciated the valuable feedback. Perhaps I'll be able to 
 refine this in further iterations...

 Rory
   


Rather than refining the corners  in further iterations you might 
consider a more avant garde approach and just ditch the corners be they 
round or square altogether... ;-)

Best,
~d

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[css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Rory Bernstein
Hi All,

http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

On this page, the light blue box that surrounds the horizontal grey graphic has 
rounded corners with the help of a little css. It's working great in a lot of 
browsers, but not in IE8. I have not been able to test it on IE7 or lower 
yet... 

In IE8, the light blue box with the rounded corners has an ugly dark border all 
the way around it. Can anyone tell me how to alter the CSS to get rid of this?

I used this page as a guide to get the rounded corners working on all browsers:
http://jonraasch.com/blog/css-rounded-corners-in-all-browsers

In my CSS file (external), I totally do not understand what is going on with 
this line of code, which references an external file:
behavior: url(border-radius.htc);
...but, I included it as per the instructions on the page about rounded 
corners. The external file is located in the same directory as the HTML file.

If anyone can let me know if this is working in IE7 or IE6, that would be great 
too.

Thanks!
Rory

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Al Sparber
From: Rory Bernstein r...@rorykerber.com
 Hi All,

 http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

 On this page, the light blue box that surrounds the horizontal grey graphic 
 has rounded corners with the help of a little css. 
 It's working great in a lot of browsers, but not in IE8. I have not been able 
 to test it on IE7 or lower yet...

 In IE8, the light blue box with the rounded corners has an ugly dark border 
 all the way around it. Can anyone tell me how to alter 
 the CSS to get rid of this?

 I used this page as a guide to get the rounded corners working on all 
 browsers:
 http://jonraasch.com/blog/css-rounded-corners-in-all-browsers

Hi Rory,

If you do not understand JavaScript (what's in the HTC file) and Microsoft VML 
(Vector Markup Language, which was proposed to the 
W3C but not accepted) then stick to pure CSS border-radius in terms of 
progressive enhancement [1].

These rounded corners for IE hacks and tricks are dangerous to play with unless 
the situation is precisely controlled. The major 
flaws are:

The secret container that carries the curves does not properly reflow. So if 
text is resized, or if the container is horizontally 
flexible, its contents will escape the box.

If the hack is applied to an element whose visibility, size, or position is 
manipulated dynamically, the contents will escape the 
container or the container will remain where the actual content was before it 
was moved or re-positioned.

Other so-called curved corner solutions, such as jQuery's are even worse as 
they add scores of DIVs (or other elements) that use 
transparent pixels to erase the square edges. The result is bloat and very 
ragged edges.

IE9 supports border-radius so over the next several years, folks can use it - 
but in a progressively enhanced scenario only.

The best solution if rounded corners are a client requirement is, and will 
continue to be for some time, CSS-assigned background 
images.

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement 

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Rory Bernstein

On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Al Sparber wrote:

 The best solution if rounded corners are a client requirement is, and will 
 continue to be for some time, CSS-assigned background 
 images.
 -- 
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Thanks, Al. I've ditched all the CSS3 from the page, sticking to regular CSS 
and background images. I now have 4 new divs, one for each corner image; each 
one has a little background image for the corners. So, that's working, but I 
wonder can anyone take a look at my revised code and tell me if there is an 
even cleaner way to do this? I am sad that I have these 4, non-semantic divs in 
there.

Revised page is still here:
http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

Also, the bottom margin of 30px on the following div is not working, the div 
sits right at the bottom of the browser. In my old version, it worked, 
producing 30px of space under the main_container div.

#main_container {
position: relative;
top: 110px;
padding: 11px;
background: #DDEDF7;
width: 949px;
min-height: 775px;
margin: 0 0 30px 20px;
}

Any comments about my CSS code will be appreciated; this page has to work for 
the full range of browsers/platforms. Thanks in advance,
Rory






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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Rory,

 regular CSS and background images. I now have 4 new divs, one for each
 corner image; each one has a little background image for the corners.
 So, that's working, but I wonder can anyone take a look at my revised
 code and tell me if there is an even cleaner way to do this? I am sad
 that I have these 4, non-semantic divs in there.
 
 Revised page is still here:
 http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

The four corner technique is great for flexible layouts, but since yours has
a fixed width I think you could do this with just two nested containers. One
contains the top image, the other the bottom image.
Create a sprite that has both these images next to each other, that will
reduce the HTTP requests from 4 to 1.


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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Rory Bernstein
On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

 Hi Rory,
 
 regular CSS and background images. I now have 4 new divs, one for each
 corner image; each one has a little background image for the corners.
 So, that's working, but I wonder can anyone take a look at my revised
 code and tell me if there is an even cleaner way to do this? I am sad
 that I have these 4, non-semantic divs in there.
 
 Revised page is still here:
 http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/
 
 The four corner technique is great for flexible layouts, but since yours has
 a fixed width I think you could do this with just two nested containers. One
 contains the top image, the other the bottom image.
 Create a sprite that has both these images next to each other, that will
 reduce the HTTP requests from 4 to 1.
 --
 Regards,
 Thierry
 www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz

Sprites... had not thought of that. Thanks.

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Al Sparber
From: Thierry Koblentz n...@tjkdesign.com
 The four corner technique is great for flexible layouts, but since yours has
 a fixed width I think you could do this with just two nested containers. One
 contains the top image, the other the bottom image.
 Create a sprite that has both these images next to each other, that will
 reduce the HTTP requests from 4 to 1.

Yes, for a fixed layout, a top, a bottom, and a y-tiling middle is all that's 
needed. I would use adjacent elements that are already 
there to carry the backgrounds. Should be doable without any additional markup.

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread tedd
At 12:29 PM -0400 4/21/10, Rory Bernstein wrote:
Thanks, Al. I've ditched all the CSS3 from the page, sticking to 
regular CSS and background images. I now have 4 new divs, one for 
each corner image; each one has a little background image for the 
corners. So, that's working, but I wonder can anyone take a look at 
my revised code and tell me if there is an even cleaner way to do 
this? I am sad that I have these 4, non-semantic divs in there.

Revised page is still here:
http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

That's to what I've done here:

http://sperling.com/examples/box/

However, the div's are arranged differently.

Cheers,

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 Revised page is still here:
 http://rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/
 
 That's to what I've done here:
 
 http://sperling.com/examples/box/
 
 However, the div's are arranged differently.

I believe the OP is looking for a technique that would allow him to use less
markup, not more. 
That page you link to has *ten* wrappers!

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners problem

2010-04-21 Thread Rory Bernstein
So, same page:

http://www.rorybernstein.com/roundcorners/

New problem: Layout is all messed up in IE7. Have not looked at 6 yet, but 
expect that is messed up too. Help?

Thank you,
Rory
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-03 Thread tedd
At 1:01 PM -0800 12/2/09, Chick Newman wrote:
I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div
borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a solution,
which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there,
either.

Chick:

There are lot's of ways to do rounded corners -- here's one:

http://sperling.com/examples/box/

Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-03 Thread Milano
For me, the simpliest way is using JQuery plugins. Curvycorners is one of
them.

Rodrigo


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:

 At 1:01 PM -0800 12/2/09, Chick Newman wrote:
 I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on
 div
 borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a
 solution,
 which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there,
 either.

 Chick:

 There are lot's of ways to do rounded corners -- here's one:

 http://sperling.com/examples/box/

 Cheers,

 tedd

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-03 Thread Jack Blankenships
Georg is right about having to wait for major browsers to catch up.

You may also wish to take a look at:

http://code.google.com/p/curved-corner/

It does not work in Opera (not even 10.20 alpha), but in all the other
browsers I have tested on various platforms.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chick Newman ch...@newmanveterinary.com wrote:
 I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div
 borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a solution,
 which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there,
 either.

 Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-03 Thread Ghodmode
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 13:24 -0300, Milano wrote:
 For me, the simpliest way is using JQuery plugins. Curvycorners is one of
 them.

Curvycorners (http://www.curvycorners.net ) does work quite well, but
it's not a jQuery plugin.  In fact, it causes problems with some jQuery
animations.

There is a very effective jQuery corner plugin, though:
http://www.malsup.com/jquery/corner/
Naturally, this requires JavaScript support to work.

 
 Rodrigo
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  At 1:01 PM -0800 12/2/09, Chick Newman wrote:
  I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on
  div
  borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a
  solution,
  which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there,
  either.
 
  Chick:
 
  There are lot's of ways to do rounded corners -- here's one:
 
  http://sperling.com/examples/box/
 
  Cheers,
 
  tedd
 
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-03 Thread Alan Gresley
G. Sørtun wrote:
[...]
 Still rely on shaped corners in all browsers, with javascript or 
 editor generated source-code...
 
 http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/wd_demo_shapes_03.html
 
 ...with or without images.
 
 Pure CSS solutions will have to wait till all major browsers have 
 caught up.
 
 regards
Georg


Hello Georg,


http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx


IE9 will have rounded corners. Hooray! Going by the pass timetable, we 
may be testing IE9 early next year.



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[css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-02 Thread Chick Newman
I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div 
borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a solution, 
which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there, 
either.

Thanks,
Chick 

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-02 Thread Climis, Tim
 I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div 
 borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers.

AFAIK, the only way to accomplish it in IE and Opera is still with good old 
images.

---Tim
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-02 Thread Olivier Sannier
Climis, Tim wrote:
 I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div 
 borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers.
 

 AFAIK, the only way to accomplish it in IE and Opera is still with good old 
 images.
That's what I did on my own website (obones.com) following very good 
advice received on this list and it works just fine.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-02 Thread G. Sørtun
Chick Newman wrote:
  I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners
  on div borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers.

Still rely on shaped corners in all browsers, with javascript or 
editor generated source-code...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/wd_demo_shapes_03.html

...with or without images.

Pure CSS solutions will have to wait till all major browsers have 
caught up.

regards
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2009-12-02 Thread Ghodmode
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:01 -0800, Chick Newman wrote:
 I would like to know what people are doing to create rounded corners on div 
 borders in non-mozilla , non-safari browsers. I thought I found a solution, 
 which at least included opera, but I tried it and it isn't working there, 
 either.

My preferred method is to create a single image that contains all 4
corners.  Then I set it as the background image for a 4 DIVs that are
each only big enough for one of the corners.  I relatively or absolutely
position the element I want rounded corners on, then I absolutely
position the DIVs containing the corner images, putting one in each
corner of the parent.

Using this method works wherever CSS works, but it requires you to
change the image whenever you change background colors.  It only
requires one very small image.

There are several ways to do it with JavaScript and no images.  I've
even seen one method that uses an absolutely positioned round-style
bullet like the kind that's used in bulleted lists.

Check these out: http://delicious.com/Ghodmode/roundedcorners

There's also a script at curvycorners.net that should recognize when you
use CSS3 rounded corners in your stylesheet and apply rounded corners
using JavaScript when the browser doesn't support the CSS3.  I've found
it works quite well, but it has some conflicts with jQuery.  Although
the documentation says that it works in Opera if you put your style
information into the page rather than in a separate stylesheet, I've
found that it only works in Opera if I call it manually.

Here's my preferred method:
head
  style type=text/css
  body { background-color: gray; }
  div#roundme {
background-color: white;
position: relative;
  }

  div.corner {
/* This would be an image containing 4 5px rounded
corners with a transparent inside and a gray background */
background-image: url('images/corners.png');
width: 5px;
height: 5px;
position: absolute;
font-size: 0px;
  }

  div.corner.tl {
background-position: bottom right;
top: 0;
left: 0;
  }

  div.corner.tr {
background-position: bottom left;
top: 0;
right: 0;
  }

  div.corner.bl {
background-position: top right;
bottom: 0;
left: 0;
  }

  div.corner.br {
background-position: top left;
bottom: 0;
right: 0;
  }
  /style
/head

body
div id=roundme
  pThis is a paragraph!!/p
  div class=corner tlnbsp;/div
  div class=corner trnbsp;/div
  div class=corner blnbsp;/div
  div class=corner brnbsp;/div
/div
/body


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[css-d] Rounded corners in a css table layout?

2009-08-06 Thread Sander Marechal
Hi all,

I need some help with my design. I want to display three equal-height
boxes next to eachother, like this ASCI art:

+--+ +--+ +--+
|  | |  | |  |
|  | |  | |  |
|  | |  | |  |
+--+ +--+ +--+

I also have an example online (with all the CSS) at:
http://www.jejik.com/sander/temp/boxes/boxes.html

The contents of the boxes varies in height. The tricky thing is that
these boxes also need to have rounded corners. For that I am using the
sliding doors technique. Basically, the markup of a box is something
like this:

div class=box
  div class=box-header
h4header/h4
  /div
  div class=box-body
pContents/p
  /div
/div

Four block elements so I can make rounded corners and borders with
background images. The top-right corner goes on the h4. The top left
corner goes on the box-header. The bottom-right corner goes on the outer
box div and the bottom-left corner goes on the box-body.

I am using CSS display:table-cell to make all three boxes of equal
height, but here my problem starts. All the box elements are now of
equal height, but the box-body elements are not of equal height because
the contents are not of equal height. Result: The bottom-right corners
are not in the correct position. See also the link I posted.

How can I fix that? All the box divs are equal in height now. I would
like box-body to expand to use all available height, even when the
content is short. I tried height:100% but that doesn't work. How can I
make that work?

Or is there an alternative way to achieve what I want? I cannot use
something like faux-columns because I define the width of the boxes in
ems. That means I cannot give the box div a single background image that
provides both bottom corners.

Google is being absolutely useless here. Any query involving corners
and table just gives me a gazillion links to 1990's tutorials that use
a 3x3 table for rounded corners.

Any tips are greatly appreciated! Kind regards,

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners repeating in IE6

2009-04-24 Thread Anne E. Shroeder
Thanks so much -- unfortunately the 45 validation errors come from the code 
that the client gave me to implement (their RSS feed), so nothing I can do 
about that :(

I was thinking that probably the issues in IE6 are due to the peekaboo bug 
(I think that's what it's called) because there are so many nested divs and 
IE6 is basically freaking out and repeating stuff.

It gets even better - they want the 2 cols on the right to be in iframes, so 
I've implemented that 
http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/template_frames3.htm  but of course 
with IE6 it wants a narrower frame, so it needs conditional comment ... but 
I don't even know what platform they're developing on so have just put in a 
double bit of code for now with the IE6 comment so they can know what width 
to implement.

What worries me is that this code will be taken by some programmers and 
messed with even further, and it seems to me that it's fragile, at best. 
They've said as long as it displays on 1024 they're ok with it (though of 
course it breaks horribly on anything less). IMO the design is meant for 
print and not the web, but they don't wnat to hear that

Anne

- Original Message - 
From: Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com
To: Anne E. Shroeder a...@language-works.com
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Rounded corners repeating in IE6


 Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
 I'm using the technique described here: 
 http://webdevtips.co.uk/webdevtips/style/border.shtml to accomplish 
 rounded borders on this somewhat complex design - the client is insistent 
 on fixed heights, so it's been quite a trick.  The problem now is that 
 the top right corner seems to be repeating itself and the bottom left and 
 right corners are not showing up at all in IE6:

 http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/template_frames2.htm
 [...]

 Anne


 Hello Anne.

 This page has many problems in IE6, one is that div#column3 has completely 
 dropped below the main content. There are also problems in IE7. The 
 initial problem area is in or surrounding the form in the 1st columns.

 #column1 #login {
 background-color:#FEFEFE;
 width: 191px;
 margin: 0 7px 19px 8px; padding:0;

 }
 #column1  form {
 margin:-6px 8px 22px 8px;
 }


 Changing a width and a margin seems to bring IE6 under some control. BTW, 
 this is a hack fixed since I do not know what is quite happening. You have 
 stirred that cauldron of bugs that is IE6. :-)

 * html #column1 #login { /* target IE6 */
 width: 178px;
 }

 * html #column1  form { /* target IE6 */
 margin-right:-4px;
 }


 Next changing overflow:auto to overflow:hidden remove the scrollbar in 
 IE6.

 #column2 #newsBlurbs {
 height:352px; padding: 5px 10px 5px 2px;
 overflow:hidden; /* change for IE6 */ }

 Next changing the margin-right on div#column3 (partially removing the 
 float) brings div#column3 up in the correct place.

 * html #column3 {
 margin-right:-29px;
 }


 This does not solve the problems that you state. Here is a little demo 
 with the hacks for IE6.

 http://css-class.com/x/eO.htm


 Something is causing some overflow of the background for div#column3. 
 Maybe correcting those 45 validation errors in the XHTML may help here.

 Also, at this moment IE6 and IE7 are not handling those negative margins 
 on the list


 #column3 ul li  {
 margin-left:-28px;
 margin-top:-10px;
 }

 and this causes div#column3 to have greater height which effects the 
 positioning of the rounded corners at the bottom of div#column3. I will 
 take a greater look later.


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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners repeating in IE6

2009-04-24 Thread Alan Gresley
Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
 I'm using the technique described here: 
 http://webdevtips.co.uk/webdevtips/style/border.shtml to accomplish rounded 
 borders on this somewhat complex design - the client is insistent on fixed 
 heights, so it's been quite a trick.  The problem now is that the top right 
 corner seems to be repeating itself and the bottom left and right corners 
 are not showing up at all in IE6:
 
 http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/template_frames2.htm
[...]
 
 Anne


Hello Anne.

This page has many problems in IE6, one is that div#column3 has 
completely dropped below the main content. There are also problems in 
IE7. The initial problem area is in or surrounding the form in the 1st 
columns.

#column1 #login {
background-color:#FEFEFE;
width: 191px;
margin: 0 7px 19px 8px; 
padding:0;

}
#column1  form {
margin:-6px 8px 22px 8px;
}


Changing a width and a margin seems to bring IE6 under some control. 
BTW, this is a hack fixed since I do not know what is quite happening. 
You have stirred that cauldron of bugs that is IE6. :-)

* html #column1 #login { /* target IE6 */
width: 178px;
}

* html #column1  form { /* target IE6 */
margin-right:-4px;
}


Next changing overflow:auto to overflow:hidden remove the scrollbar in IE6.

#column2 #newsBlurbs {
height:352px;   
padding: 5px 10px 5px 2px;
overflow:hidden; /* change for IE6 */   
}   


Next changing the margin-right on div#column3 (partially removing the 
float) brings div#column3 up in the correct place.

* html #column3 {
margin-right:-29px;
}


This does not solve the problems that you state. Here is a little demo 
with the hacks for IE6.

http://css-class.com/x/eO.htm


Something is causing some overflow of the background for div#column3. 
Maybe correcting those 45 validation errors in the XHTML may help here.

Also, at this moment IE6 and IE7 are not handling those negative margins 
on the list


#column3 ul li  {
margin-left:-28px;
margin-top:-10px;
}

and this causes div#column3 to have greater height which effects the 
positioning of the rounded corners at the bottom of div#column3. I will 
take a greater look later.


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[css-d] Rounded corners repeating in IE6

2009-04-23 Thread Anne E. Shroeder
I'm using the technique described here: 
http://webdevtips.co.uk/webdevtips/style/border.shtml to accomplish rounded 
borders on this somewhat complex design - the client is insistent on fixed 
heights, so it's been quite a trick.  The problem now is that the top right 
corner seems to be repeating itself and the bottom left and right corners 
are not showing up at all in IE6:

http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/template_frames2.htm

The basic code:

div id=column3img src=login.eo_files/images/benefits_title2.gif 
alt=Benefits width=143 height=30  style=position:relative; 
top:25px;left:0;/
div class=tOrangediv class=bOrangediv class=lOrangediv 
class=rOrangediv class=blOrangediv class=brOrangediv 
class=tlOrangediv class=trOrangediv class=insideContent
Stuff here


/div/div/div/div/div/div/div/div
/div!-- end column3 --

tOrange is being repeated, whereas blOrange and brOrange are not showing up 
at all.  Thoughts?

Anne

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners with fixed height problem

2009-04-01 Thread Divya Manian
Hi Anne

On 3/25/09 9:14 PM, Anne E . Shroeder a...@language-works.com wrote:

 I've got a bit of a challenge with rounded corners - have a fixed height (it's
 all going into an iframe) and cannot seem to get the borders out to the edge
 and the rounded corners placed - an additional problem is that the comp calls
 for only half of a top border and a small dotted border above that - I'm just
 not sure that can be done?   The graphics for the rounded corners aren't very
 good - they are just place holders.   The problem is in the right hand column
 that starts with Benefits.
 

What you are attempting to do is very challenging with fluid layouts. I
suggest you keep the last column width in pixels and use a background image
(with the dotted lines and rounded corners for top and just the rounded
corner on the bottom) to get the effect you are looking for.

- divya


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[css-d] Rounded corners with fixed height problem

2009-03-25 Thread Anne E . Shroeder
I've got a bit of a challenge with rounded corners - have a fixed height (it's 
all going into an iframe) and cannot seem to get the borders out to the edge 
and the rounded corners placed - an additional problem is that the comp calls 
for only half of a top border and a small dotted border above that - I'm just 
not sure that can be done?   The graphics for the rounded corners aren't very 
good - they are just place holders.   The problem is in the right hand column 
that starts with Benefits.  

The method I used: 
http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/css/css-round-corners-borders.shtml

My code: 
http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/template.htm
The comp: 
http://www.language-works.com/SmartSign/homepage.jpg

I'd greatly appreciate any insights as I've been hitting my head against the 
wall for some time now.

Anne
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners + shaded background. What was I thinking?

2008-10-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jody Levinson wrote:
 I've been tearing my hair over this one and it's my own fault for 
 coming up with the design:

 http://www.ishrgroup.com/
 
 The rounded corners and flexible width body work fine in FF. In IE 7,
  the flexible width works ok, but the rounded corners on the main 
 content area refuse to line up consistently. In IE 6, they wont line
  up at all and the width won't flex.

To start with, add...

* html .bigi {position: absolute;}

...to get that element out of the way in IE6 since it doesn't support
'position: fixed'.

Then, add 'margin-right: -40px;' to all left-floating corners, since IE6
can't line up two 50% wide elements in a 100% wide container - it runs
out of space. That addition will give IE6 a 10px invisible gap it can
put its calculation-bugs in, with no negative effect on other browsers.

To make sure Firefox won't miss a pixel in width in the middle between
those floating corners, it might be a good idea to add 'padding-right:
1px;' on all the left-floating ones.

You probably also want to hide the vertical overflow on those corners,
as they don't look very nice in any browser when subjected to font-resizing.

 The css has one tag that won't validate - Property _width doesn't 
 exist :  700px - an attempt to set a minimum width.

Delete it, it won't work anyway and only cripples IE6' ability to get
the width correct on wide windows.

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[css-d] Rounded corners + shaded background. What was I thinking?

2008-10-14 Thread Jody Levinson
I've been tearing my hair over this one and it's my own fault for  
coming up with the design:

http://www.ishrgroup.com/

The rounded corners and flexible width body work fine in FF. In IE 7,  
the flexible width works ok, but the rounded corners on the main  
content area refuse to line up consistently. In IE 6, they wont line  
up at all and the width won't flex.

styles are here:

http://www.ishrgroup.com/ishr-styles.css
http://www.ishrgroup.com/common-styles.css

The css has one tag that won't validate - Property _width doesn't  
exist :  700px - an attempt to set a minimum width.

Thanks!

Jody

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[css-d] Rounded Corners Problem in IE7

2008-07-28 Thread Jim McIntyre
Hi folks,

I'm working on this page:

  http://clients2.jdgcommunications.com/csshelp/working.html

which displays fine in Firefox and Safari. However, in IE7, the bottom
rounded corners of the main DIV (the middle-nested, medium-gray box)
aren't showing up. I've tried changing margins and padding to no avail.

The structure of that DIV and the way corners are applied to it are
identical to the wrapper and sidebar DIVs, which display OK.

Can anybody see what I've done wrong? HTML and CSS files validate OK.

Thanks,
Jim


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[css-d] Rounded Corners Problem - IE7

2008-07-22 Thread Jim McIntyre
[Apologies if this shows up on the list multiple times. I posted Friday, 
and again yesterday, from my work email address but nothing made it to 
the list. I'm trying from an alternate address now.]


Hi folks,

I'm working on this page:

   http://clients2.jdgcommunications.com/csshelp/working.html

which displays fine in Firefox and Safari. However, in IE7, the bottom 
rounded corners of the main DIV (the middle-nested, medium-gray box) 
aren't showing up. I've tried changing margins and padding to no avail.

The structure of that DIV and the way corners are applied to it are 
identical to the wrapper and sidebar DIVs, which display OK.

Can anybody see what I've done wrong? HTML and CSS files validate OK.

Thanks,
Jim

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners -- Simplest Way

2008-07-10 Thread Richard Grevers
On 7/8/08, Sohail Aboobaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  What is the simplest way to create rounded corners using CSS. I saw a
  technique using 3 extra div tags for three corner images (left-bottom,
  right-bottom, left top) which seemed cumbersome and the posting was old. Are
  there any newer and simpler ways of creating rounded boxes containers?


Depends on your requirements:
The need for multiple elements is based on the idea that using
background images as corners is morally better than adding foreground
images (and looks less ugly in the absence of stylesheets) - you need
one element to hang each background on*.

If you have a fluid-width, fluid height box, you therefore need four
elements. If the box is fixed-width, you only need two. If it has a
fixed height as well, you can get away with one, but I'd only risk
this on an element containing nothing but a single image.

If the element has borders, it gets more complex: I've seen methods
using 8 elements (just as bad as a table) or using positioning jiggles
with mixed success.

The wiki has a pretty comprehensive round-up of methods.

*Until everyone implements the backgrounds module of css3, at which
point rounded corners will become much easier, but I'm picking that
everyone will support border-radius before that.

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[css-d] Rounded Corners -- Simplest Way

2008-07-07 Thread Sohail Aboobaker
Hi,

What is the simplest way to create rounded corners using CSS. I saw a
technique using 3 extra div tags for three corner images (left-bottom,
right-bottom, left top) which seemed cumbersome and the posting was old. Are
there any newer and simpler ways of creating rounded boxes containers?

Regards,
Sohail
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners -- Simplest Way

2008-07-07 Thread Jake Churchill
Here's how I do it, yes it uses divs but it's always served me very well:

http://jake.cfwebtools.com/2008/02/13/css-rounded-corners/

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Sohail Aboobaker wrote:
 Hi,

 What is the simplest way to create rounded corners using CSS. I saw a
 technique using 3 extra div tags for three corner images (left-bottom,
 right-bottom, left top) which seemed cumbersome and the posting was old. Are
 there any newer and simpler ways of creating rounded boxes containers?

 Regards,
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners -- Simplest Way

2008-07-07 Thread David Laakso
Sohail Aboobaker wrote:

 What is the simplest way to create rounded corners using CSS. 
 Sohail

   


This comes up on the list frequently from time to time, and it may be 
worth while checking the list archives for previous replies...

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners -- Simplest Way

2008-07-07 Thread tedd
At 10:48 AM -0400 7/7/08, Sohail Aboobaker wrote:
Hi,

What is the simplest way to create rounded corners using CSS. I saw a
technique using 3 extra div tags for three corner images (left-bottom,
right-bottom, left top) which seemed cumbersome and the posting was old. Are
there any newer and simpler ways of creating rounded boxes containers?

Regards,
Sohail

There's my solution:

http://sperling.com/examples/box/

and then a box in box I prepared:

http://www.webbytedd.com/ccc/box-box/

Feel free to use what you want.

Cheers,

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners on menu

2008-02-27 Thread Loek Hilgersom
Hi Albert,

Here are some more rounded corner approaches. The first I like best, the 
nifty corners, as it's a very easy and flexible solution, and doesn't 
require additional mark-up. The disadvantage is that it's pure 
Javascript, it may not be suitable for all situations (although it works 
cross-browser). I've applied it here: http://www.monimbo.org/

http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html
Nifty Corners Cube - freedom to round

http://www.albin.net/css/roundedcorners
CSS | “Bullet-Proof” Rounded Corners | Albin.Net

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners
Rounded Corners - css-discuss

See ya!
Loek


Albert van der Veen wrote:
 Hi list,

 I would like to round the corners, using css, on this site: 
 http://www.ediec.org
 Menu should size when one increases/decreases the font.

 Examples of sites that do this (rounded corners on all corners, not just 
 tabs) are much appreciated.

 thanks,
 Albert

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[css-d] Rounded corners on menu

2008-02-26 Thread Albert van der Veen
Hi list,

I would like to round the corners, using css, on this site: 
http://www.ediec.org
Menu should size when one increases/decreases the font.

Examples of sites that do this (rounded corners on all corners, not just 
tabs) are much appreciated.

thanks,
Albert

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners on menu

2008-02-26 Thread Jake Churchill
http://jake.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm/2008/2/13/CSS-Rounded-Corners 

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Hi list,

I would like to round the corners, using css, on this site: 
http://www.ediec.org
Menu should size when one increases/decreases the font.

Examples of sites that do this (rounded corners on all corners, not just 
tabs) are much appreciated.

thanks,
Albert

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[css-d] Rounded corners oddity in IE

2008-01-16 Thread Debbie Flitner
Hello everyone.
 
I'm using Franky's rounded corners for a site, and it works great in
Firefox and Opera on Windows, but the design is acting strangely in IE
6.  There are two boxes of content with the rounded corners.  The 2nd
box is fine, but the header box has problems with the bottom two
corners. Linky - http://www.dragon-sea.net/tests/corners2.html and
http://www.dragon-sea.net/tests/corners.css 
 
Removing display:inline from the h1 style fixes the corners, but
messes up the overall look.  
 
Can someone explain to me why display:inline is makes IE throw up and
what I could do to fix it?  In the meantime, I'll make a FixStupidIE.css
sheet to remove the display:inline and tweak the position so it displays
correctly.
 
Thanks,
Deb
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and csszengarden principles

2007-02-13 Thread Micky Hulse
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Am I right that this is the only set of choices?
 Not quite, as CSS can carry it alone...
 http://virtuelvis.com/gallery/css/rounded/
 ...but a certain series of browsers doesn't support CSS that well.

I like this one... Same approach as in my first post:
http://www.ambiguism.com/sandbox/scripts/mozilla.html

I like this one for when rounded corners are not crucial to the overall 
look/feel... for the browsers that play nice, they get nice corners... 
others get the standard look. Otherwise, I go for the multi-div.class 
containers.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and csszengarden principles

2007-02-13 Thread Dave M G
Gunlaug, Micky,

Thank you for the links to the CSS and HTML code necessary to put 
corners in as I'm looking to do.

However, I don't seem to be using the :before and :after tags correctly.

Is there something wrong with my code? I have an example here:

http://articlass.org

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and csszengarden principles

2007-02-13 Thread Micky Hulse
Dave M G wrote:
 Is there something wrong with my code? I have an example here:
 http://articlass.org

Try changing your source code to:

div class=wholeContainer

Or change your CSS to:

#wholeContainer:before { ...yadda... )
#wholeContainer:after { ...yadda... }

Keep in mind, this technique is not fully supported, but degrades 
gracefully (from what I have seen and tested.)

Good luck,
Cheers,
Micky


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[css-d] Rounded corners and csszengarden principles (was: Placing images in corners)

2007-02-12 Thread Dave M G
CSS Discussers.

Thank you for the tips on how to achieve round, and other stylized, corners.

However, I'm feeling a little conflicted about my approach.

I'm working on creating a PHP based content management system that will 
generate standardized HTML which can be formatted entirely with CSS. My 
inspiration for this is csszengarden.

However, after comparing some of the tutorials for rounded corners with 
the HTML and CSS of csszengarden, I notice that there doesn't seem to be 
any fluid csszengarden designs that use rounded corners. All designs 
either have static sizes with all sorts of crazy borders and stuff, or 
they have fluid designs that have no particular emphasis on borders or 
corners.

I should qualify my statement by saying there are a heck of a lot of 
examples on csszengarden these days, so it's entirely possible that even 
though I looked at many, there are many more which might counter my 
impression.

But in any case, it seems that to have stylized corners in a fluid 
design, one needs to add additional classes or DIVs to the HTML. Even 
the Javascript options I looked at required a little bit of additional 
markup in the HTML.

In keeping with my goal that the PHP system generate uniform HTML and 
that *all* formatting be done with CSS, it seems there are only two 
choices. One is to add some extra HTML markup which would enable 
stylized, fluid corners, but be useless to CSS layouts that didn't need 
such corners. The other choice is to have tighter HTML, but concede to 
not having certain effects, like special corners.

Am I right that this is the only set of choices?

Can anyone suggest how to converge the csszengarden principle with 
stylized corners without creating HTML that is too bloated?

Any advice or information would be very helpful. Thank you.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and csszengarden principles

2007-02-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Dave M G wrote:
 In keeping with my goal that the PHP system generate uniform HTML and
  that *all* formatting be done with CSS, it seems there are only two 
 choices. One is to add some extra HTML markup which would enable 
 stylized, fluid corners, but be useless to CSS layouts that didn't 
 need such corners. The other choice is to have tighter HTML, but 
 concede to not having certain effects, like special corners.
 
 Am I right that this is the only set of choices?

Not quite, as CSS can carry it alone...
http://virtuelvis.com/gallery/css/rounded/
...but a certain series of browsers doesn't support CSS that well.

Javascript can solve some...
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/wd_demo_shapes_03.html
...but there are limitations.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2007-01-31 Thread George Ornbo
On 1/31/07, Jonathan Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks a lot for the tip George. Unfortunately my scenario doesn't
 accomodate fixed width containers. I have a two column fluid layout and both
 columns need to have rounded edges, and child elements of both containers
 need to be rounded as well. I've tried numerous different methods for this
 and I always seem to come up short on each one.


You should be able to find a suitable method here - an amazing collection on
rounded corners!

http://www.smileycat.com/miaow/archives/44.html

Cheers
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2007-01-31 Thread francky
George Ornbo wrote:
 On 1/31/07, Jonathan Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Thanks a lot for the tip George. Unfortunately my scenario doesn't
 accomodate fixed width containers. I have a two column fluid layout and both
 columns need to have rounded edges, and child elements of both containers
 need to be rounded as well. I've tried numerous different methods for this
 and I always seem to come up short on each one.
 
 You should be able to find a suitable method here - an amazing collection on
 rounded corners!

 http://www.smileycat.com/miaow/archives/44.html

 Cheers
 George
   
Hi Jonathan,
As Paul Novitsky wrote already, it's difficult to give a general advice, 
'cause without a practical example we cannot see which of the many 
possibilities can be applied. Do you have a link to a test page?

Looking for (and trying out) the enormous amount of solutions on the 
web: indeed this doesn't make happy! Especially because the most 
examples don't show the hidden treasures: the conditions which has to 
be fulfilled to get the model working. Some does have a fixed width 
condition, but don't say that. Some suppose a solid background color, 
but don't say that. And so on, and so on!
I can imagine you will be a bit tired of the collection of solutions  
testing all results (lots appear to be the same, after testing...). - 
That is just the experience as I had some years ago. At a certain 
moment, I decided not to search any longer, but to try to develop my own 
solution: a multi purpose model.

* For the whole story, my basic conditions / goals, and the
  solution(s) I found: see Liquid Round Corners
  http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm
* Examples you can find in the Liquid Corners Playgarden
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquid-corners-playgarden-index.htm
* More examples, often triggered by css-d questions, you can find in
  the index of Francky's Developers Corner
  http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/

If I'm guessing right, what you want is more or less illustrated in 
More Corner Examples, Example 4 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/more-rounded-corners_step1.htm
(I added a new step 4 to show the possibility of nested liquid corners)

* Even the IE's (5.01 up to 7) can handle it; see browsershots
  http://browsershots.org/screenshots/baa7ce50f2dc7bd61bd1d05f8856a73d/

@smileycat-list: in the list is indicated that my Liquid Corners (called 
Tiscali, which is the name of my ISP ;-) ) need 4 images - that's 
wrong, you need only 1 small image if only corners are wanted, and 
another small image if also a home made border around is needed.

@lists-of-rounded-corner-solutions: also in the css-d Wiki is a special 
Rounded Corner Page http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners.

Some time ago I started to evaluate these solutions. The work is not 
finished yet (long term between other occupations...), but I already 
made a kind of acid proof for the support (or not) of transparency. 
Screenshots of all tested solutions are added.

* See Testing rounded corner web solutions
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/wiz/wiz-step1-more-practice.htm

My conclusion: in the customized corners with only css and images there 
are only 3 solutions which are liquid and support transparency of the 
outside of the corners (Søren Madsen in ALA, Roger Johansson in 
456bereastreet, and francky).
Note: in the ALA article big area images are used for the corners 
(nevertheless the layout is breaking at large font sizes). In basic 
model, the Bereastreet solution and my solution is the same. - If I had 
seen this before (amidst of all others), I shouldn't have invented the 
Liquid Corners, but just extended the work! :-)

Greetings and success,
(and as said, if you have a testpage, we can see what we can do)

francky


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[css-d] Rounded corners

2007-01-30 Thread Jonathan Carter
I have to implement rounded corners throughout an entire site which includes 
many different size containers and elements. I'm looking to find the 
best/cleanest/easiest solution that I can easily implement site wide. I've 
looked at numerous examples/solutions and am confused as to which one is going 
to be the best suited for my situation.

Sorry if this is a stupid/repeated question, I'm just having some frustration 
getting this to work.

I appreciate all the help,

Jonathan

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2007-01-30 Thread George Ornbo
On 1/31/07, Jonathan Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have to implement rounded corners throughout an entire site which
 includes many different size containers and elements. I'm looking to find
 the best/cleanest/easiest solution that I can easily implement site wide.
 I've looked at numerous examples/solutions and am confused as to which one
 is going to be the best suited for my situation.

 Sorry if this is a stupid/repeated question, I'm just having some
 frustration getting this to work.

 I appreciate all the help,

 Jonathan


Hello Jonathan,

Funny you should ask - I've just written this up:

http://www.shapeshed.com/journal/curved_boxes_in_css/

Works well if you have a fixed with design.

Cheers
George

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2007-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 1/30/2007 06:32 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote:
I have to implement rounded corners throughout an entire site which 
includes many different size containers and elements. I'm looking to 
find the best/cleanest/easiest solution that I can easily implement 
site wide. I've looked at numerous examples/solutions and am 
confused as to which one is going to be the best suited for my situation.


To get intelligent recommendations, you'll need to explain what your 
situation is.  Resizability?  Images?  Transparent corners?  etc.

Regards,

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[css-d] rounded corners display problems in ie

2007-01-25 Thread Noah Learner
Hi All,

I'm trying a test page to do a rounded corners using the sliding doors
style.  You can see the file at:
http://www.learnerdesign.com/acufamily/box.html

It looks fine in firefox, but in IE, the right border pops over and the box
breaks.  I am trying to have the it as one smooth rounded corner container.
I thought I had the divs all in the right order.  Do I need to add an IE
conditional comment?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks,

Noah
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners no color fill

2006-09-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.availcompany.com/webdev/webcode/css_test11.htm

 Also, as you can see that the no image approach with nifty corners 
 works in the box above, it is just the top is gapping up, any clues 
 on how to get nifty corners to round a box with no images and no 
 color fill, just a 1 px border ?

1: add...
.xboxcontent {padding: 1px 0;}
...to keep margins from collapsing - escaping the box - and create the gap.

2: change margins on content - especially h2 in your case - to make it
line up as you want inside the box.

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners no color fill

2006-09-26 Thread it
On 9/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All, many examples have been on color filled boxes with rounded 
 corners, few if any on simply transparent boxes with rounded corners. 
 In http://www.availcompany.com/webdev/webcode/css_test11.htm

 on 9/25/06  Manuel stated:
Dino, I've had success with Douglas Livingstone's easyCorners
technique. Unfortunately his site is not online anymore. Kind of found
it here, but without the images :s  

http://web.archive.org/web/20030611042446/http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/
4corners/
 You can see it at work here: http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/ (Look for
the .roundBox class)
 The technique is *extensively* cross browser tested. It's a bit
bloated on the HTML side, and can take some time to cut the images, but
it's relatively straightforward.
 Even more, this might be of help in generating the images:
http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/index.php?idioma=en

Thanks Manuel, for the tip, you can see my attempt to apply
easyCorners technique at
http://www.availcompany.com/webdev/webcode/css_test11.htm . How do you
get the top to round with this approach ?


Also, as you can see that the no image approach with nifty corners works
in the box above, it is just the top is gapping up, any clues on how to
get nifty corners to round a box with no images and no color fill, just
a 1 px border ?

Thx,
dino 


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[css-d] rounded corners no color fill

2006-09-25 Thread it
Hi All, many examples have been on color filled boxes with rounded
corners, few if any on simply transparent boxes with rounded corners. In
http://www.availcompany.com/webdev/webcode/css_test11.htm 
 
1. left float rounded box without color fill, how do you get the top
border not to gap up?
2. how do you get right float to line up with the top of left box and to
show rounded corners ?
 
thx,
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners no color fill

2006-09-25 Thread Manuel Razzari
On 9/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All, many examples have been on color filled boxes with rounded
 corners, few if any on simply transparent boxes with rounded corners. In
 http://www.availcompany.com/webdev/webcode/css_test11.htm

Dino, I've had success with Douglas Livingstone's easyCorners technique.
Unfortunately his site is not online anymore.
Kind of found it here, but without the images :s
http://web.archive.org/web/20030611042446/http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/4corners/

You can see it at work here: http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/
(Look for the .roundBox class)

The technique is *extensively* cross browser tested. It's a bit
bloated on the HTML side, and can take some time to cut the images,
but it's relatively straightforward.

Even more, this might be of help in generating the images:
http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/css-rounded-box/index.php?idioma=en

HTH,

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[css-d] Rounded corners with transparency??

2006-08-25 Thread Lynch, Michael
 
Folks,

Has anyone come up with a trick to meld a rounded corner, liquid height
DIV with a rather tall background URL that  is a slice of the underlying
background thereby giving the illusion of transparency? Clear as mud?
Probably simpler if I show you an example of what I'm working on:

http://www.qvcc.commnet.edu/temp/index.html

I'd like to be able to grow the two rounded corner boxes vertically on
the fly.

Thanks,
Michael Lynch
Webmaster
Quinebaug Valley Community College
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners with transparency??

2006-08-25 Thread matt1027
At 10:33 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote:
Has anyone come up with a trick to meld a rounded corner, liquid height
DIV with a rather tall background URL that  is a slice of the underlying
background thereby giving the illusion of transparency? Clear as mud?
Probably simpler if I show you an example of what I'm working on:

http://www.qvcc.commnet.edu/temp/index.html

I'd like to be able to grow the two rounded corner boxes vertically on
the fly.


This rounded corner box scheme works very well.

http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/

Why not use this and actually make the box transparent to let the 
background show through?

Matt 


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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-19 Thread francky
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

Jeralyn Merideth wrote:
  

Any other suggestions anyone?
http://216.119.67.187/js/index.htm


No problem whatsoever. Just pull those top and bottom corner-parts over
the edge of their container, and style them without a background. Then
those rounded corners will go with any page-background.

1: adjust position of the main container, by adding... [...]

2: treat the sidebar the same way, by adding... [...]

Now, you are using an ID over and over again, #sidebar, so that should
be changed into a class since IDs should only appear once in each page.

regards
   Georg
  

Hi Jeralyn,
Knowing Georg likes alternatives ;-) , I was carpenting an image variant 
to the nifty corners (I don't appreciate the b/b things too much - 
difficulties with my imagination - like html-Tidy I always want to 
delete them in the html ...).
Working as follows:

* paint a small image with the top and bottom corners (172 bytes),
  save it as gif with transparent corners outside.
* the html consists of a container, and inside: a top box with the
  top corners, then a content box with the content and the solid
  background, then a bottom corner box (and then closing of the
  first container).
* in your case it is a fixed width column [1], so the left and right
  corners don't need to be in a separate box to become liquid: less
  div's!

I applicated it only to the sidebar new-items, the content corners can 
be treated in a similar way. [2]

Tested in html-validator, css-validator, FF (1.07), IE6, Opera (7.54 and 
8.01),  the old NS6 .2  ( see [3] ), and Mozilla 1.71.
This is the testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-jeralyn-a.htm. 
:-)

I saw you got it working in the meantime!

Greetings,
francky

btw-1: good looking navbar. :-)
Oh, to get a 2 word item in the same line (if enlarged) , you can 
replace the space between by a nbsp;.
btw-2: some 25kB can be saved by reworking the images (see comments in 
source code testpage). Modem visitors will be gratefull!
btw-3: noticed a typo in the company-stamp in the header. ;-)

[1]
For a 100% liquid way and more about the image method see: liquid 
corners article 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm.

[2]
The 2 corner image parts of the content box can be combined with the img 
of the sidebar (with proper positioning): still only 1 img needed.

[3]
Here the hidden header (#mainhead h2, in case of disabled images or 
disabled css) is always showed in NS6.2 and disturbing the rest of the 
lay out. - This is a screenshot 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/jeralyn-screenshot_NS6.png.
 
- As compensation: NS6 is not showung the nifty corners (in the content 
column)...
A quick and easy workaround for the hidden header I didn't find. - That 
is: 5 or 6 working workarounds, also good for all other browsers ... 
except IE.
Maybe the best way is to delete the text from the header image, and make 
real text of it (with an adapted h2 style for the first line).



 
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[css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Jeralyn Merideth
Thanks to everyone who helped with my last issue. Now, I'm having problems with 
the rounded corners. Before I added a background image to the wrapper, it was 
fine. Now, after adding the image you can see the white squared corners. 
Looking into the code I see where the problem lies, but I am having 
difficulties separating the rbottoms from the rtops in order to fix it. This 
and because the bg image is a gradient it is making it more difficult to me. Am 
I destined to have a plain white background to keep the round corners?

Thanks,

http://216.119.67.187/js/index.htm (w/o image)
http://216.119.67.187/js/images/screen1.jpg (corner problem)

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread MarcLuzietti
Am I destined to have a plain white background to keep the round corners?



Just make the corners transparent. :-) Since you aren't using 
anti-aliasing, it won't be a problem.

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Jeralyn Merideth
I tried that and it didn't help...still looked the same. I simply put a 
{background: transparent;} on the bg that are now white but I didn't see a 
change. Did I miss something in the declaration?

J

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Am I destined to have a plain white background to keep the round corners? 
 
 
 
Just make the corners transparent. :-) Since you aren't using anti-aliasing, it 
won't be a problem. 
 
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread MarcLuzietti
I meant, make the corners in the image itself transparent in Photoshop or 
whichever image program you use. If the white corners are still there, 
then you've probably got a background color declared somewhere. 

I have foolishly deleted your original e-mail, so I can't take a second 
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Jeralyn Merideth
I didn't use images. They are css rounded corners taken from the article Nifty 
Corners :)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
I meant, make the corners in the image itself transparent in Photoshop or 
whichever image program you use. If the white corners are still there, then 
you've probably got a background color declared somewhere.  
 
I have foolishly deleted your original e-mail, so I can't take a second look 
 
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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread ross
I wouldn't use that anyway as the corners look a bit ragged. Why not just 
use a transparent png and then apply the ie fix.



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I didn't use images. They are css rounded corners taken from the article 
Nifty Corners :)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I meant, make the corners in the image itself transparent in Photoshop or 
 whichever image program you use. If the white corners are still there, 
 then you've probably got a background color declared somewhere.

 I have foolishly deleted your original e-mail, so I can't take a second 
 look

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Jeralyn Merideth
I'm not familiar with how to do this graphically. I know I would have to use PS 
to make the image (of course) but I wouldn't know the appropriate size for the 
boxes I need...and then wouldn't I have to position them relative or absoute? 
Not sure what to do.

Any other suggestions anyone?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't use that anyway as the corners look a bit 
ragged. Why not just 
use a transparent png and then apply the ie fix.



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I didn't use images. They are css rounded corners taken from the article 
Nifty Corners :)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 whichever image program you use. If the white corners are still there, 
 then you've probably got a background color declared somewhere.

 I have foolishly deleted your original e-mail, so I can't take a second 
 look

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread ross
Just make the exact image dimensions and radius with the heading 'news1' . 
Save it as a transparent png (no background) in your image editing program. 
Fireworks is the best for this

Create the div as before but put the img in. I rember trying to put it in as 
a background-image but this does not support transparency so you will have 
to use the img tag.

For ie you need to add the png transparency fix by adding this at the head.

script defer type=text/javascript src=pngfix.js/script

all the files you need are here, just open the image.png file in photoshop 
and save 3 versions with  your headings - make sure you re-save them as 
transparent pngs and not jpegs or gifs.

http://www.blue-fly.co.uk/rooftops/example.html
http://www.blue-fly.co.uk/rooftops/image.png
http://www.blue-fly.co.uk/rooftops/pngfix.js


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I'm not familiar with how to do this graphically. I know I would have to use 
PS to make the image (of course) but I wouldn't know the appropriate size 
for the boxes I need...and then wouldn't I have to position them relative or 
absoute? Not sure what to do.

Any other suggestions anyone?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't use that anyway as the corners look a 
bit ragged. Why not just
use a transparent png and then apply the ie fix.



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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue


I didn't use images. They are css rounded corners taken from the article
Nifty Corners :)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I meant, make the corners in the image itself transparent in Photoshop or
 whichever image program you use. If the white corners are still there,
 then you've probably got a background color declared somewhere.

 I have foolishly deleted your original e-mail, so I can't take a second
 look

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
 http://216.119.67.187/js/index.htm

 Now, you are using an ID over and over again, #sidebar, so that
 should be changed into a class since IDs should only appear once in
 each page.

Regarding the above... my mistake, sorry.

However, it should work just fine as one class instead of 3 different
IDs :-)

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Re: [css-d] rounded corners issue

2006-07-18 Thread Bob Meetin
just curious, why do you choose to use a transparent .png and apply the 
ie fix rather than use a transparent .gif? 

quality, less jagged?

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[css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread Dan Searle
Hi list,

I don't have access to a Mac to debug this myself, I was wondering if 
someone on the list might be able to explain what was happening here?

http://www.danwashere.com/dev/aauk/celeb_blackboard/index.html

I'm told that on the rounded corner in the bottom right of the large white 
text box is being interfered with by what appears to be a white border 
stretching down.

I'm not seeing that problem on Win XP, FF1.5, IE5, IE5.5 or IE6 - they all 
show the page fine.

Here's the CSS that I think is relevant - but of course I'm not sure what's 
actually causing this problem so it could be anything I guess..

#text_block_wrapper_1 {
 float: left;
 margin:0px;
 padding:0px;
 width: 260px;
 background: transparent url(images/text_block_middle.gif) left top 
repeat-y;
}

#text_block_wrapper_2 {
 float: left;
 margin:0px;
 padding:0px;
 width: 260px;
 background: transparent url(images/text_block_top.gif) left top no-repeat;
}

#text_block {
 float: left;
 margin:0px;
 padding:12px;
 padding-top:16px;
 padding-bottom:16px;
 font-size: 0.8em;
 background: transparent url(images/text_block_bottom.gif) left bottom 
no-repeat;
}

#text_block p {
 margin:0px;
 padding:0px;
 margin-bottom: 0.8em;
}


As you can see I've achieved the rounded corners by having a fixed width 
column defined by 3 nested DIVS - the lowest div has a background of 260 x 1 
px gif to define the sides of the column, then the next DIV has a bg image 
of the top of the rounded corner rectangle, and the last one holds the 
bottom image of the block.

Thanks for any help,
Dan. 

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Dan Searle wrote:
 http://www.danwashere.com/dev/aauk/celeb_blackboard/index.html

 I'm told that on the rounded corner in the bottom right of the large 
 white text box is being interfered with by what appears to be a white
  border stretching down.

 I'm not seeing that problem on Win XP, FF1.5, IE5, IE5.5 or IE6 - 
 they all show the page fine.

It becomes visible in Firefox 1.5.0.4 on a PC too, if/when you bump up
font-sizes step by step. Probably a rounding-error caused by Firefox'
over-precise calculations.

Probably best solved by making the side/corner elements a px or two
wider - fine-tune them - and make them overlap / cover up for such
errors. That won't hurt in other browser either, as there's a (barely)
visible red line down the right side of that white container in all of
them - resulting from image-smoothing or something in the image itself.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread tedd
Hi list,

I don't have access to a Mac to debug this myself, I was wondering if
someone on the list might be able to explain what was happening here?

http://www.danwashere.com/dev/aauk/celeb_blackboard/index.html

I'm told that on the rounded corner in the bottom right of the large white
text box is being interfered with by what appears to be a white border
stretching down.

Dan:

It looks fine to me -- in fact, one of the best rounded corner examples I've 
seen.

Good work.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread francky
Dan Searle wrote:

Hi list,

I don't have access to a Mac to debug this myself, I was wondering if 
someone on the list might be able to explain what was happening here?

http://www.danwashere.com/dev/aauk/celeb_blackboard/index.html

I'm told that on the rounded corner in the bottom right of the large white 
text box is being interfered with by what appears to be a white border 
stretching down.

I'm not seeing that problem on Win XP, FF1.5, IE5, IE5.5 or IE6 - they all 
show the page fine.

Here's the CSS [...]
  

Hi Dan,
I can see the problem in IE6 on Win(98SE) too: screenshot-1 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-1.png.
and in FF1.07 on pc: screenshot-2 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-2.png
It is not a white border, but the inside image of the box peeping 
through, as can be seen by canceling the text_block_middle.gif  
screenshot-3 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-3.png.
Seems to be the floating of the inside wrappers (which you don't need): 
screenshot-4 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-4.png.

Greetings,
francky

btw: other technique for rounded corners, just to compare: liquidcorners 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread francky
francky wrote:

[...]
  

... or the easy way! 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-redcorners.htm

:-)
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners problem on Mac OSX FF

2006-07-17 Thread Dan Searle
From: francky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hi Dan,
 I can see the problem in IE6 on Win(98SE) too: screenshot-1
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-1.png.
 and in FF1.07 on pc: screenshot-2
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-2.png
 It is not a white border, but the inside image of the box peeping
 through, as can be seen by canceling the text_block_middle.gif 
 screenshot-3
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-3.png.
 Seems to be the floating of the inside wrappers (which you don't need):
 screenshot-4
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/blackboard-4.png.

 Greetings,
 francky

Hi Francky - thanks for the help and those screenshots, that's great.
I managed to reproduce the error here which is always a good start to 
debugging, and
then removed the float:left; on the text_block.
I've ironed out a few other problems that crept in but I think now it's 
working fine.

http://www.danwashere.com/dev/aauk/celeb_blackboard/index.html

Tell me if it isn't?


 btw: other technique for rounded corners, just to compare: liquidcorners
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm.

Very good - it looks very thorough. I prefer to try to tailor the solution 
to the problem rather
than attempt a jack of all trades myself - but it's all good.

Oh, and I've just seen your mail with your example with my graphics :-) very 
generous
of you to spend that time.

**Can I ask you though that you replace that text with some Lorem Ipsum? ** 
I've got myself
into trouble using this list with live content before when it got indexed by 
Google and my test
page came up in searches along with the real site URL - the client wasn't 
happy.
Yes, I shouldn't have used live content this time either... but I'll be 
removing these pages once
I'm happy they work.

Thanks to the others who commented and/or helped too!

Cheers,
Dan

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[css-d] Rounded corners

2006-06-30 Thread Eoin Maguire
Hi,

I'm trying to get rounded corners working through CSS, I've read lots on
the net about how it's possible and have in the past implemented some
systems of my own that worked out really well. 

However, I think what I'm attempting now isn't possible with CSS, or at
least not practical if it's to be used many times throughout a site (as in
the code would be unwieldy).

Basically I'm trying to have an outline border that runs right around a DIV,
as well as a curved gradient section at the top. Basically like the boxes on
this page:

http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/rounded-corners-in-css/tutorial-all-
pages


But instead of a solid colour at the top, I want a gradient.

Is this possible or practical?


Thanks!

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2006-06-30 Thread francky
Eoin Maguire wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to get rounded corners working through CSS, I've read lots on
the net about how it's possible and have in the past implemented some
systems of my own that worked out really well. 

However, I think what I'm attempting now isn't possible with CSS, or at
least not practical if it's to be used many times throughout a site (as in
the code would be unwieldy).

Basically I'm trying to have an outline border that runs right around a DIV,
as well as a curved gradient section at the top. Basically like the boxes on
this page:

http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/rounded-corners-in-css/tutorial-all-
pages

But instead of a solid colour at the top, I want a gradient.
Is this possible or practical?

Thanks!

Hi Eoin,
I think it is good possible, like allmost everything is possible with 
css. :-) [1]
It is less easy, if the gradient has to scroll over a not unicolor 
background, but it stays possible (with IE-hacks)!
The other question: is it practical? ... Depends on your definition of 
'practical' ;-)
As far as I know, there are 2 basic methods:
1. put some extra div's in the html
2. let a javascript do that automatically. [2]
The first one is not practical, if you don't like to copy/paste a lot 
(and/or if you want the html to be as clean as possible). [3]
The second one is not practical, if you like that visitors with 
javascript turned off can see the rounded corners as well.

Greetings,
francky

Oh, just saw the spanky-corners, no extra div's and no js; but not 
giving totally freedom to style the elements inside the box.

[1] My corners corner 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm.
[2] Somewhere on the Wiki-corner page 
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners.
[3] If you have only fixed width boxes, it will be less extra.


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[css-d] Rounded corners: cool tutorial

2006-05-12 Thread Mark Fellowes
I came across this one and while I'm sure most of you have seen it it's 
scratching an itch of mine.  Works pretty well on my first experiments though I 
made a slight mistake in my image creation.  If anyone has experience with 
these I'd be interested in hearing.

http://www.dragon-labs.com/articles/octopus/#variants


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[css-d] Rounded Corners

2006-05-07 Thread Mark Fellowes
Can anyone suggest some of the better methods out there for learning and 
creating round corners. 
I'm really only looking for a link, and while I'm persuing the CSS Front page, 
still like to know what others think
are the better methods.  Most important is that they are image free, strictly 
CSS.  
Optional would be nice to have drop shadow on the rounded corner boxes.

Hope this is an appropriate post.

TIA
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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2006-05-07 Thread Ricky Zhou
 Can anyone suggest some of the better methods out there for learning and 
 creating round corners.
 I'm really only looking for a link, and while I'm persuing the CSS Front 
 page, still like to know what others think
 are the better methods.  Most important is that they are image free, strictly 
 CSS.
 Optional would be nice to have drop shadow on the rounded corner boxes.

There are a ton of links on the wiki:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners (I've never even
had a chance to go through all of them).

As far as imageless and drop shadows, I'm afraid that those will
probably either require javascript, browser-specific/unsupported
properties, or horrendously ugly markup.  Good luck in your search,
though!

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2006-05-07 Thread francky
Ricky Zhou wrote:

Can anyone suggest some of the better methods out there for learning and 
creating round corners.
I'm really only looking for a link, and while I'm persuing the CSS Front 
page, still like to know what others think
are the better methods.  Most important is that they are image free, strictly 
CSS.
Optional would be nice to have drop shadow on the rounded corner boxes.


There are a ton of links on the wiki:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners (I've never even
had a chance to go through all of them).

As far as imageless and drop shadows, I'm afraid that those will
probably either require javascript, browser-specific/unsupported
properties, or horrendously ugly markup.  Good luck in your search,
though!

Ricky

Hi Mark,
It's a bit confusing, two Mark's asking about Rounded Corners on the 
same moment! ;-)
Why is it so important for you to go image free? - Most web visitors 
have images turned on; but not always javascript is enabled ...

AFAIK, imageless indeed only can be done with javascript (in case you 
want IE to play rounded corners too).

For drop shadows combined with corners, I think images cannot be missed.
Perhaps something to use:
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/transparency/transparent-dropshadow.htm

For rounded corner solutions (and for borders too, if wanted) with a 
small img: see the links in my replies to the other Mark! :-)

Greetings,
francky


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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners

2006-05-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mark Fellowes wrote:
 Most important is that they are image free, strictly CSS.

No images, but some extra markup is still needed, I'm afraid...
http://www.gunlaug.no/homesite/main_6_xv.html

I've left it at a stand-still for nearly two years now, and I'm sorry I
haven't got around to ditch the whole thing :-)

 Optional would be nice to have drop shadow on the rounded corner 
 boxes.

It is possible to add shadows and a lot of other extras, but even more
markup will be needed if it is to stay image-free.

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[css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Clayton
For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?

My launch pad was this ALA article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/

I was skeptical about this being possible at all, but here is my
stubborn progress: http://www.twilighted.com/tx/giftest.html

The div must be elastic horizontally and vertically.  The problem is
that the when the corner images overlap, the transparent corners are
blocked out, leaving a rectangular corner.  Try shrinking the text and
watching what happens to the bottom left corner.

Here is a shortcut to the ALA article's explanation of how the images
are sliced: http://www.alistapart.com/d/customcorners/step1.1.html

This would be very easy to arrange with tables, but that would be
embarassing.  I've been trying to place one horizontal and one
veritcal box with white backgrounds behind the main div, but have been
so far unsuccessful.  Here's a quick mockup:
http://www.twilighted.com/tx/theory_example.jpg

I just want a nice clean box with rounded, transparent corners.  All
that I have found so far has been pain!

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Jim Davis
See this site for a css + js solution to rounded corners with transparent
capability.

http://pro.html.it/niftycube/

Jim

On 3/23/06, Michael Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
 textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?
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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread Michael Clayton
Chris: Thanks, I will investigate that book next time I'm near a book store.

Jim: The javascript option is interesting, but I tend to shy away from
anything that requires javascript to navigate or display correctly.

 Just use these methods and skip the images entirely:
 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm

 Your page is badly broken in ff even in it's current form.  There are
 gaps all over the place in your background and no lower right corner
 rounding.

Thanks Don, I think that is exactly what I was looking for.  I had
seen that site before, but couldn't locate it again.  You saved the
day.

I know the page is broken, though, that's what my post was about.

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread tedd
For my next trick, I'll need a div with rounded corners on top of a
textured background.  Any volunteers from the audience?

My launch pad was this ALA article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/

I was skeptical about this being possible at all, but here is my
stubborn progress: http://www.twilighted.com/tx/giftest.html

The div must be elastic horizontally and vertically.  The problem is
that the when the corner images overlap, the transparent corners are
blocked out, leaving a rectangular corner.  Try shrinking the text and
watching what happens to the bottom left corner.

Here is a shortcut to the ALA article's explanation of how the images
are sliced: http://www.alistapart.com/d/customcorners/step1.1.html

This would be very easy to arrange with tables, but that would be
embarassing.  I've been trying to place one horizontal and one
veritcal box with white backgrounds behind the main div, but have been
so far unsuccessful.  Here's a quick mockup:
http://www.twilighted.com/tx/theory_example.jpg

I just want a nice clean box with rounded, transparent corners.  All
that I have found so far has been pain!

--
Michael Clayton

Michael:

Transparent corners are fine, but it's the background that's the problem.

I know you'll say Hey it's transparent!, but I'm talking about the 
pixels that are the closest to the transparency, which to do it 
right, should be anti-aliased to *some* background.

If you want simple rounded corners, try this:

http://www.sperling.com/examples/box/

tedd

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners and Transparent GIFs

2006-03-23 Thread francky
Michael Clayton wrote:

Just use these methods and skip the images entirely:
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/liquidcorners.htm


Thanks Don, I think that is exactly what I was looking for.  I had
seen that site before, but couldn't locate it again.  You saved the
day.
[...]
  

Hi Michael,
I was too late to suggest the same location. ;-)
In case you have a div as last part of the rounded corner box (with 
the ArticleFooter-class), I think you'll need a slightly different end 
of the box to get not too much vertical white space between the bottom 
of the div and the bottom of the corner box. You could add a last line 
paragraph with 1px height to avoid the gap, and then give the 
ArticleFooter-div some negative margin-bottom.
See testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/twilighted-liquidcorners.htm.

Dragons = -1, I hope.

Greetings,
francky

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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners - IE

2006-01-20 Thread francky
Richard Brown wrote:

 Hi All

 I asked Francky on this list for some help and he provided a lot of 
 help with using a rounded corner layout. However, he hit a slight snag 
 with IE. Don't we all! I believe he is currently looking for a solution 
 and I thought I would ask the list for help!
 
 The site is at: http://www.lostwithielantiques.co.uk/
 
 Could folks look at the code and maybe offer a suggestion as to why 
 this is not working in IE please?
 
 I have also tried a different technique but I cannot get this working 
 either! 
 The site is at: http://www.lostwithielantiques.co.uk/second/
 
 I have created a rounded box that should contain two other boxes. But 
 although I have enclosed the two boxes within the first in the html 
 they don't stay in the said box! Has anybody got any ideas why please?
 Many thanks.


Dennis Bixler wrote:

The first site works in FF1.5 and IE6.  I didn't check it in anything
else.
The second site doesn't work.

Dennis Bixler
  

Hi Rich,
In the meantime, I see, the link to the first site is going to a new 
page: not the same anymore!

With regards to (at this moment) your new page 
http://www.lostwithielantiques.co.uk/:
- This one has no nested round corners as before.
- This one is build with a different technique (not the Liquid Round 
Corners as in my method).

And this one doesn't work (yet):
- In Firefox, this one has a #sidebar in which the text is going out of 
the box when enlarging the fontsize.
- In Inertnet Explorer, this one doesn't show the corners in the right way.

But if you are changing to this new lay-out (without the background of a 
box with rounded corners, so no nested round corners), IE doesn't have a 
problem with the Liquid Round Corners method. The not correct 
IE-performance is coming only in nested corners. When you have a working 
header / x-column / footer scheme, then the Liquid Corners can be easy 
implemented.

See this new testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/liquidcorners/cregy-corners-example.htm:
 
IE-proof and also font-enlargable in FF.

francky

ps: I didn't find a solution for the nesting problem of IE, so perhaps 
this time the IE-bugs are to weird to work around.


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Re: [css-d] Rounded Corners - IE

2006-01-18 Thread Dennis Bixler
The first site works in FF1.5 and IE6.  I didn't check it in anything
else.

The second site doesn't work.

Dennis Bixler

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Subject: [css-d] Rounded Corners - IE

Hi All

I asked Francky on this list for some help and he provided a lot of 
help with using a rounded corner layout. However, he hit a slight snag 
with IE. Don't we all! I believe he is currently looking for a solution 
and I thought I would ask the list for help!

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2005-12-05 Thread Reynier Perez Mira
Well I test some tutorials from Incutio and none work for me. I use FF 1.5 and 
IE 6.0 SP1. I only get two images instead four needed. The images are located 
well and URL are fine too. I check with TopStyle. So ... I don't know what I'm 
doing wrong.

If any can help me ... 

King regards


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From: Christian Heilmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:18 PM
To: Reynier Perez Mira
Subject: Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

 It's possible to show a DIV with rounded corners? All of them topleft, 
 topright, bottomleft, bottomright ?? Where I can found a good tutorial or 
 help for do this??

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=css+rounded+corners
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RoundedCorners

for starters

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2005-12-05 Thread Jesper Brunholm
Dear Reynier Perez Mira

Reynier Perez Mira wrote:
 Well I test some tutorials from Incutio and none work for me. I use
 FF 1.5 and IE 6.0 SP1. I only get two images instead four needed. The
 images are located well and URL are fine too. I check with TopStyle.
 So ... I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

 If any can help me ... 

But how? however much I and others might want to help, we've no idea 
what's wrong in your efforts, as we can only guess what the results of 
them might be - on your computer :-/

You really have to give us something to work with - that is: code to 
look on! :-)

If you don't have a server space to upload on on regular basis, get one 
- there's plenty of free ones out there (http://www.free-webhosts.com/).

Kind regards

Jesper Brunholm
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[css-d] Rounded corners

2005-11-24 Thread Reynier Perez Mira
It's possible to show a DIV with rounded corners? All of them topleft, 
topright, bottomleft, bottomright ?? Where I can found a good tutorial or help 
for do this??

Cheers

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Re: [css-d] Rounded corners

2005-11-24 Thread Joe Huggins
Here is a good article on rounded corners:

http://pro.html.it/articoli/id_599/idcat_31/pag_1/pag.html

Reynier Perez Mira wrote:
 It's possible to show a DIV with rounded corners? All of them topleft, 
 topright, bottomleft, bottomright ?? Where I can found a good tutorial or 
 help for do this??
 
 Cheers
 
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