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By DAVID HAMLING in London

We are in Baghdad in 1991, and something strange is happening. A hush falls
over the city as a huge shimmering face materialises in the sky. Soldiers
and citizens prostrate themselves as each hears the voice of Allah,
commanding them to overthrow the evil and treacherous Saddam Hussein. Within
minutes an angry mob is storming the palace as the guards flee ...

This highly imaginative scenario was proposed by US Air Force (USAF)
planners for a bloodless victory in the Gulf conflict. The idea of putting
words in God's mouth is not new. In the second century AD Lucian described a
statue of the god Aesculapius that spoke to believers, aided by a hidden
priest with a speaking tube.

The Baghdad plan involved projecting a giant hologram over Iraq. This kind
of projection requires a mirror behind it. The scale of the project dictated
a mirror several kilometres across up in space. So far the largest mirror
developed has been 30 metres wide and present versions are too small to
produce a convincing image at ground level.

Another approach would be to make a mirror out of thin air. When warm air
lies on top of cold air, the difference in density is enough to bend light.
At higher altitudes, a mirage can make whole landscapes appear in the sky.
An artificial mirage could in theory be made by heating the atmosphere with
radio waves or microwaves.

The military certainly appears to believe in the potential use of holograms.
A USAF think-tank has devised uses ranging from deceptive holographic
imaging to the Star Trek-sounding distortion field projector. These are
described as useful for strategic deception purposes, particularly against
an unsophisticated adversary. They would be projected by a special aircraft,
an airborne hologram projector.

Perhaps the nearest current equivalent is the Commando Solo, a modified
Hercules festooned with aerials and antennae and carrying pods of classified
electronics. It can transmit across the electromagnetic spectrum, including
radio and television signals.

The face of God needs a voice. A new technique using microwaves could
produce this. When a high-power microwave pulse strikes the human body, a
small temperature disturbance occurs, causing an expansion of tissue that
can create an acoustic wave. A report from the USAF scientific advisory
board says: "With a pulse stream, an internal acoustic field of 5-15KHz can
be created which is audible. Thus it may be possible to 'talk' to
adversaries in a way which would be most disturbing to them."

The practical difficulties in microwave transmission are formidable. The
exact sound perceived depends on the size and shape of the hearer's skull
and orientation to the source. Microwaves can be reflected or dampened by
solid objects, so God's voice could have the underwater quality of poor
radio reception. And would you believe in a God whose voice drops off when
you walk behind a lamp-post?

But there were other problems with the plan. Images of Allah are forbidden
in Islam. How can you project an image of God when nobody knows what He is
supposed to look like?

And the citizens of Baghdad are not superstitious savages, prone to fleeing
at the sound of a disembodied voice from a gramophone. They have been
exposed to years of computer-generated imagery and flashy special effects.
If God's image did appear in the heavens, someone would be bound to suggest
it was all done with mirrors.

The Guardian

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Way back when -- when we were a lot poorer but didn't know
it because we were happy and life was good -- there was a
famous neighborhood orator who was also a United States
Senator.

As a young boy always available to do odd jobs around the
neighborhood, I was required to attend a rather large
outside function one beautiful June day.  The Senator spoke
of the joy of being an American, love of country, duty to
God and country, and how proud he was of all of us for
joining various civilian national defense related programs
that were still around after the Second World War.

Then, a surprising thing happened:  His booming voice
cracked and tears came to his eyes as he started to read the
names of local boys killed in the Korean Police Action.  He,
too, knew some of those guys.

And then, just when we thought he was done, he started on
Liberty.

Freedom and Liberty were a big deal with us back then.
There were a lot of people in the neighborhood who had lived
under Hitler and most of us lost relatives over there.  So,
when that serious stuff started, we kids knew that was not
the time to be rustling around -- lest the nearest adult
give us a healthy smack across the head.

That day, it was a repeat of his famous "box" speech I had
heard before and we had also discussed thoroughly in school.

Of course he talked of the "ballot" box.  I'm not sure, but
it may have been an election year -- not that it ever
mattered in his case.  He was "Our Senator," everyone liked
him, and that was that.

Then he said, "I have the soap box," and went on to explain
to us how important it was that we also use our freedom of
speech to get our political points across. The old folks
loved that.  Especially the ones who recently arrived from
Europe.

But, when he got to the "jury" box he diverted from the law
a little, some said.  Apparently, he too agreed that a jury
must not only judge the guilt of the person being tried, but
also the applicability of the law in the matter before the
jury.  "That helps keep government in check," he said to
thunderous applause.

Soon thereafter, a little joking around started and the band
was playing, so I bugged out to the refreshment stand for a
large cherry Coke.  Even then, though, I knew he missed
something.  The speech was not complete.  All of the "Boxes
of Liberty" were not properly related.

The audience was greatly interested by the time I got back.
That old guy didn't forget at all.  The joking and the band
playing were cover, marking time, while people he wanted
came up to the bandstand.

The last Liberty Box, as we all knew very well back then,
was the cartridge box.  And so, after another five or ten
minutes on the methods of protecting Liberty, the Senator
made many mothers in the audience proud by personally giving
awards for expertise and proficiency in the use of personal
firearms.

Boy Scouts, student ROTC members from high schools and
colleges, police officers . . . he lined them up and
pronounced every name correctly (difficult, in that
neighborhood) as he personally handed each of them an award.
By their presence on that platform, each was proclaimed to
be a good, honorable and useful member of society.  They
were "the protectors of Liberty."  So said our Senator.
Therefore, it must be true.  That is how it was back then,
when things were simpler and life was good.  People said
they could hear that final standing ovation two miles down
the road that afternoon.

Because, there was another important thing we all knew for
certain, deep in our own hearts:  No Nazi Gestapo types
or Stalinist commie pinko punks would be taking over OUR
neighborhood anytime soon.  We had our own own army!  And
anyway, even us kids had guns and knew how to use them.  Me
too, I felt with pride.

A Polish Catholic Priest and a Polish Jewish Rabbi were to
finish out the afternoon with some words and a prayer or
two.  Both were very memorable with their freedom and
Liberty oriented mini-sermons and their semi-
nondenominational prayers.  Again, there were tears evident
in many of the older folks; those who lost family and
friends to the Nazi jackbooted Gestapo horrors just about a

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 The View From Lobo Rock - Vol 2.
 A Gal Needs A Gun

 By Ed Parker - SierraTimes.com Ranch Hand
 February 3,  2000

 By now the story of the rapist who was shot and killed in Phoenix
 the other night has made the rounds, and so has the point.  The cops
are
 not there to protect our women, they are there to take their pictures
 and draw chalk outlines around their bodies after they have been
 disarmed, raped, and murdered.

 This is a tale of two women- one who understood this fact and one
 who apparently did not.  One is faced with the prospect of cleaning her
 weapon, and perhaps her floors.  The other, with that of recovering
from
 surgery.

 One can look in the mirror now, every day for the rest of her life,
 and know that when
 her worst fears were realized, she had the will and the prowess and the
 means not just to survive an attack, but to vanquish her attacker.  She
 is a heroine.  She is what the gun-hating feminots hate to admit is a
 sterling, diamond-studded example of a strong, liberated woman.  In
 sharp contrast with another "strong woman" of certain treasonous
renown,
 this lady had no heavily armed guards or armor-plated amenities to
 depend on during the moment of truth.  Because she was unwilling to be
 anyone's victim- hell has a little less standing room today.   This
 woman, and the rest of us are liberated from the threat of one more
 pervert,  and all  for the low low price of one handgun, and one
bullet.

 The other woman, God bless her, will recover from her wounds.  But
 she will be scarred for life.  She will look in the mirror every day
for
 the rest of her life and she will see what this creepazoid lizard from
 hell did to her.  She will see the physical scars and she will feel the
 mental reproof of every "if only"  scenario imaginable to such a
piteous
 one as this.  It's likely she'll reconsider her position on firearms
 ownership entirely.

 While one woman will remember this day with amazement, the other is
 doomed to remember it in shame.  It is not her fault that she was
 attacked- but it was her fault that she was unprepared for it.  Having
 put her personal security in some other entity's hands,
 she had nothing with which to defend herself.

 Who is to blame for her predicament?  Ultimately, it is she- but
why
 would anyone allow themselves to be so vulnerably exposed and
 defenseless in the society in which we live?

 Well, now here we come to the interesting part of this story, that
 is, the subsequent media coverage of this event- or the lack thereof.

 A few weeks ago, when a teen was shot in a Phoenix area park, we
got
 the breathless headlines delivered from the scene and a big gutfull of
 "moron-on-the-street" interviews featuring socialist-trained
 invertebrates.  We got a followup article about what HCI thought about
 it, how gun violence is the focus of this or that committee and what
you
 could do to participate in the anti-gun rally nearest you.

 This time, we got an "Oh-uh, by the way- some lady shot  a guy
 trying to assault her in her home who happened to be morally
challenged,
 sexually over-assertive, and armed with a pistol.  The victim of the
 shooting is dead and the woman will not be charged, but we think she
 ought to be so we'll raise our eyebrows and cluck our tongues as we
 deliver this load of horsehockey."

 In a separate story we heard the 911 tapes of the woman who had
been
 shot three times, who had to get off the line after alerting
authorities
 so she could call her husband ant tell him she had been shot.

 Either we had two women shot in such a manner in one day, or
KNXV-15
 TV (ABC affilliate) decided to completely ignore the second half of
that
 story.

 Why was this woman vulnerable?  Could it have been because she was
 conditioned to be so?  Bombarded as she is every day with socialist
 claptrap and tyrannical dictates, as well as entertainment pablum
 designed to reinforce the aforementioned claptrap- who could wonder
that
 she was unarmed?

 Our artificially produced culture today incriminates and insinuates
 and denigrates gun ownership as much as it does religious faith.  This
 attitude has percolated through big chunks of America, and sadly, many
 people die every year as a result.  This lady is lucky.
 I'll bet she's never caught off-guard again.

 And I'll bet she starts sneering at the talking heads and the
 socialist burgermeisters and the unclothed emporer as she learns about
 their role in keeping her ignorant, vulnerable, and enslaved.  She too
 will see

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In 1987 Philip married Cynthia Marie Drayer Simon. The two had met in June
of 1986 at a meeting of the Oregon Agate and Mineral Society. As Cynthia put
it years later, "He had so many interesting stories, so much information to
share, we bonded and love began to bloom." Philip and Cynthia would later
have a daughter, Marie Schneider. Unfortunately their marriage had
difficulties. According to Cynthia, health problems contributed to their
break up. Philip had multiple health concerns, many of which could have
killed him. He had chronic lower back pain that never went away, even after
a back operation. He had multiple Sclerosis, which was chronic and
progressive. Occasionally he had to use, crutches, a body brace, leg braces,
bladder bag, catheter, diapers, and a wheelchair. He often had to sleep in a
hospital bed with railings, a helmet, and body braces. When Cynthia first
met him he was taking Dilantin for seizures, and almost died 3 times from
this medication due to an allergic reaction.

Philip also had Brittle Bone Syndrome (osteoporosis) and cancer in his arms.
He had hundreds of shrapnel wounds, a plate in his head with a metal
fragment in his brain, fingers missing from his left hand. There was a scar
that ran down from the top of his throat to below his belly button, and
another scar that ran from just under his ribs, side to side. Cynthia would
later state " Philip was a complex person. he had brain damage after a bomb
was dropped on him while working as a civilian structural engineer for
Morrison-Knudsen in Vietnam. He had a Rhyolite clearance. He was learning
disabled, brilliant in some areas, yet unable to fill out a form in the
Doctors office. Able to create time travel formulas, but unable to budget
money; he had to file bankruptcy one year. I now believe that he had been
'deprogrammed' so that he could not remember most of his 'past' life. But
something began to happen shortly after we first met. Perhaps because of the
seizures, or because he changed his medication, or because he now had
another person to talk to that was interested in what he had to say, he
began to remember the old days. Being the scientific, logical minded person
I am, I listened intently to his stories with a grain of salt, waiting for
additional information to verify them.

I can still remember the night he began to talk in some foreign language
(sounded like Chinese and another night in what sounded like French.) Philip
told me he knew 11 languages before the brain damage. After the space
shuttle, Challenger, exploded, I visited Philip in his apartment. He had a
large chalk board with complicated formulas which proved that a
'cosmosphere' had shot down the space shuttle."

Cynthia also said, "It was a difficult marriage for both of us, which was
complicated by a failed self-employed business selling rocks, minerals, and
antiques, Philip's reconstructive surgery on scars on his chest, his lower
back operation, my gall-bladder surgery and the birth of our daughter, all
within a 1 year period. The pressures of our new family, failed business,
and physical problems culminated in our divorce in 1990. Philip was an
emotional abuser and could be very mean and abusive. He was a complex
person - part genius and part paranoid schizophrenic. We had a bad marriage
but developed it into a great friendship."

One of Philip's more amazing stories was his fathers alleged involvement
with the "Philadelphia Experiment." When Philip's father, Captain Oscar
Schneider (Navy Medical Corp.) died in 1993, Philip discovered original
letters in his basement. According to Philip, the letters were evidence that
the Philadelphia Experiment actually existed, and that Oscar Schneider had
been a participant in it after the crew members had been quarantined in a
Virginia psychiatric ward. Captain Schneider supposedly autopsied the bodies
of the crew members as they died, and found alien implants in their arms,
legs, behind their eyes, and deep inside their brains. Captain Schneider was
confused by these implants, so they obviously were not military. They had to
have been alien in nature, and the small "transistor" like item was
discovered before transistors had been invented. Here was evidence that
either by accident, or on purpose, aliens were involved with the
Philadelphia Experiment, and were probably responsible for its failure.

Also discovered in Oscar's basement were photographs taken during Opreration
Crossroads, in which a nuclear device was used on Bikini Island. Authentic
military photos taken from an airplane showed UFOs raising up from the
lagoon and flying through the mushroom cloud. These photos however,
mysteriously disappeared from Philips apartment at the time of his death.

Some investigators in Philip Schneider's mysterious death have had problems
believing some of the incredible claims he made before he died. Even those
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The Mysterious Life and Death of Phil Schneider

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Copyright ©1997 By Tim Swartz
With assistance from Cynthia Drayer


Al Pratt suspected something was wrong with his friend Philip Schneider. For
several days in a row, Al had gone to Phil's apartment, in Willsonville,
Oregon, saw his car in the parking lot, but received no answer at the door.
Finally, on January 17th, 1996, Al Pratt, along with the manager of the
Autumn Park Apartments and a detective from the Clackamas County Sheriff's
office entered the apartment. Inside, they found the body of Philip
Schneider. Apparently he had been dead for 5 to 7 days. The Clackamas County
Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke.
However, in the following days disturbing details about his death began to
surface, leading some to believe that Philip Schneider had not died from a
stroke, but had in fact been murdered.
Philip Schneider's life was certainly as controversial as his death. Born on
April 23, 1947 at Bethesda Navy Hospital. Philip's parents were Oscar and
Sally Schneider. Oscar Schneider was a Captain in the United States Navy,
worked in nuclear medicine and helped design the first nuclear submarines.
Captain Schneider was also part of OPERATION CROSSROADS, which was
responsible for the testing of nuclear weapons in the Pacific AT Bikini
Island. In a lecture videotaped in May 1996, Philip Schneider claimed that
his father, Captain Oscar Schneider, was also involved with the infamous
"Philadelphia Experiment." In addition, Philip claimed to be an
ex-government structural engineer who was involved in building underground
military bases (DUMB) around the country, and to be one of only three people
to survive the 1979 incident between the alien Grays and U.S. military
forces at the Dulce underground base. Philip Schneider's ex-wife, Cynthia
Drayer believes that Philip was murdered because he publicly revealed the
truth about the U.S.government's involvement with UFOs.

For two years prior to his death, Philip Schneider had been on a lecture
tour talking about government cover-ups, black budgets, and UFOs. Philip
stated in his lecture that in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the
federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution and form a treaty
with extraterrestrials. The treaty was called the 1954 Greada Treaty.
Officials agreed that for extraterrestrial technology, the Grays could test
their implanting techniques on select citizens. However, the
extraterrestrials had to inform the government just who had been abducted
and subject to implants. Slowly over time, the aliens altered the bargain,
abducting and implanting thousands of people without reporting back to the
government.

In 1979, Philip was employed by Morrison-Knudsen, Inc. He was involved in
building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, New
Mexico. The project at that time had drilled four holes in the desert that
were to be linked together with tunnels. Philip's job was to go down the
holes, check the rock samples, and recommend the explosives to deal with the
particular rock. In the process, the workers accidentally opened a large
artificial cavern, a secret base for the aliens known as Grays. In the panic
that occurred, sixty-seven workers and military personnel were killed, with
Philip Schneider being one of only three people to survive. Philip claimed
that scars on his chest were caused by his being struck by an alien weapon
that would later result in cancer due to the radiation.

If Philip Schneider's claims are true, then his knowledge of the secret
government, UFOs and other information kept from the public, could have
serious repercussions to the world as we know it. In his lectures, Philip
spoke on such topics as the Space-Defense-Initiative, black helicopters,
railroad cars built with shackles to contain political prisoners, the World
Trade Center bombing, and the secret black budget.

Quotes taken from a lecture given by Philip Schneider in May, 1995, at Post
Falls, Idaho.

RAILROAD CARS

"Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon.
He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication, where they make railroad cars.
Now, I knew this fellow for the better part of 30 years, and he was kind of
a quiet type. He came in to see me one day excited, and he told me 'they're
building prisoner cars.' He was nervous. Gunderson, he said, had a contract
with the federal government to build 107,200 full length railroad cars, each
with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 sub-contractors in this giant
project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars for the contract.
Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed me one of
the cars in the rail yards in North Portland. He was right. If you multiply
107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up with about 15,000,000. This is
probably the nu

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America's Black Program Contractors
"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There are
29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S. Congress
five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy the spare parts
for these black programs for that amount. So, we've been lied to. The black
budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand
billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the
books involved with this clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of sleuth
programs: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison- Knudson,
Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial
in France, Mitsibishi Industries, Rider Trucks, Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus
a host of hundreds more. Is this what we are supposed to be living up to as
freedom- loving people? I don't believe so.

Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat
"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the
black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. By the way,
none of the stealth program would have been available if we had not taken
apart crashed alien disks. None of it. Some of you might ask what the "space
shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of special metals that are milled in
space and cannot be produced on the surface of the earth. They need the near
vacuum of outer space to produce them. We are not even being told anything
close to the truth. I believe our government officials have sold us down the
drain - lock, stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed
by the U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the
highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars program is there solely to act
as a buffer to prevent alien attack - it has nothing to do with the "cold
war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what?
The whole lie was planned and executed for the last 75 years.

Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by U.S. Agencies and the United Nations
"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug Enforcement
Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical weaponry for as much as
40% of their operations budget. This in 1993 and the figures have gone up
considerably since. The United Nations used American stealth aircraft for
over 28% of its collective world-wide operations from 1990 to 1992,
according to the Centre for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.

The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia Conflict
"The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct classifications
of police that guard our most well kept secrets. Number one, the Military
Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes called the Delta Force or Black
Berets, is a multi-national tactical force primarily used to guard the
various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were 172 stealth
aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were at last count about 162. Bill
Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to the United Nations. There
have been indications that the Delta Force was sent over to Bosnia during
the last days of the Bush administration as a covert sniper force, and that
they started taking pot shots at each side of the controversy, in order to
actually start the Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding
administrations for political purposes.

Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States
"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Centre
bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some- odd varieties of
chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after the blast.
The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel was literally extruded up to
six feet longer than its original length. There is only one weapon that can
do that - a small nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type nuclear device.
Obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the
damage, they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably
didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that the
same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as killing a Jewish
rabbi in New York.

However, I want to further mention that with the last explosion in Oklahoma
City, they are saying that it was a nitrate or fertiliser bomb that did it.
"First, they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertiliser bomb. Then,
it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds
of fertiliser in a Rider Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. I
know the chemical structure and the application of construction explosives.
My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13 deep
underground military bases in the United States. I worked on the Malta
project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from
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"It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal government that I
feel directly imperilled not to tell anybody about this material. How long I
will be able to do this is anybody's guess. However, I would like to mention
that this talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of these
topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether
you are patriots or not.
"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have
gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country that has
the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like these United
States.

"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went
through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field and I built
up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural
engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build
two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as
what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New
Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I
was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will
ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left
that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret
service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that firefight. I
was there.

"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very
shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very
unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going to ask
you to put your "scepticals" on. But please, feel free to do your own
homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but
it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good place to look for
Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one
can be standing vigilant in regard to their country.

Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget
"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not
be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it was so.
The first part of this talk is going to concern deep underground military
bases and the black budget. The Black Budget is a secretive budget that
garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black
Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year. At least this amount is
used in black programs, like those concerned with deep underground military
bases. Presently, there are 129 deep underground military bases in the
United States.

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since
the early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These
bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed
magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have
been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them.
Richard Souder, a Ph.D. architect, has risked his life by talking about
this. He worked with a number of government agencies on deep underground
military bases. In around where you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.

"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are
basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic
miles in size. They have laser-drilling machines that can drill a tunnel
seven miles long in one day. The Black Projects side-step the authority of
Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is
depending on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them
that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I was lied to rather
extensively.

Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in Hyperspacial
Technology
"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that
transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years. This is why it
is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to create, through
the use of vacuum tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear
from one place and appear in another place. My father, Otto Oscar Schneider,
fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, and was
captured and repatriated in the United States. He was involved with
different kinds of concerns, such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the
Philadelphia Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures
of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original
photographs of that test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the
bombsite at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested
with them, especially under the water, and the natives had problem

Re: [CTRL] Dulce Base Revelations! Billy Dee Remarks!

2000-02-05 Thread tnohava


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Well I must admit you did a little work on this one Nicky...but what we're
talking about here is the alleged secret base at or near Dulce, New
Mexico...NOT Area 51 in Nevada. Now as long as this Dulce story has been
blowing around the internet it would seem to me someone would produce a
photo of some of these interesting artifacts that have been described at or
near this base.




> Check this out.Photos galore. People can't just walk around and take
> pictures.Even heard that they have some device that picks up
> someone walking
> on the ground in the area. Branton has firsthand info on Area 51.
> People get
> abducted and taken there and they remember.
> Nicky
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tnohava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> I've seen this Dulce story kicked around the internet for years
> now and even
> on some of the old BBS's before the popularity of the web grew
> and have yet
> to see any photos other than maps of this location. You can get a map
> anywhere and edit it with all x's and circles you want but you would think
> after all this time a photo would surface if any of this were true. It
> doesn't have to be a photo of the alleged underground 7th level, just
> something of these supposed artifacts on the surface. If this guy is so
> resourceful with his information then he should have no problem
> producing a
> photo!
>
>

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[CTRL] Heads Up! Austria: Free to Choose Subservience.


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Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:32 PM


The inattentive souls who doubt the existence of the New World Order
gangsters had better pay attention to Austria.  There Bill Clinton and the
unelected future dictators of the European Union are sending a clear signal:
The scaffold of world government is almost completed, and even "friendly"
nations will be hung if they cling to the idea of self-rule.

Tiny democratic Austria now faces American and EU sanctions for the crime of
voting for an Austrian patriot.  That patriot, the "right wing" Joerg Haider,
holds logical views about immigration and sovereignty.  Haider's ideas should
be considered mainstream.  But they are unacceptable to the
internationalists, who have slowly eliminated free speech in the western
nations.

And the ruling Globalists now feel free to take open action.  Last year NATO
terrorized Serbian civilians for their country's internal policies, in order
to intimidate "rogue" nations who snub the World Government team.  Now the
current propaganda attacks and embargo threats against Austria are intended
to show "team" states the limits of their imagined freedom.  To punctuate all
this with warlike overtones, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak called the
freely elected Haider "dangerous" to democracy and recalled Israel's
ambassador from Vienna for an indefinite period.

In Austria, democratic nations are being reminded that they may choose only
approved rulers.  Such rulers must unfailingly support goals critical to the
success of the Cecil Rhodes vision of world socialism.  Thus even honorable
opposition to destructive immigration policies is forbidden.  "Diversity"
shall no longer include the wondrous mix of unique cultures that once made up
the world's patchwork of nation-states.  Assertions of national sovereignty
shall be condemned as "racist" and "anti-Semitic."  In economic matters,
policies to help one's own country must be subordinated to the demands of
non-democratic international organizations.

In allowing Mr. Haider, who earned a plurality of votes, to form a ruling
coalition, Austria has pushed a few of these "hot buttons" and unwittingly
defied the Chosen.  Now the classically liberal nation of ten million faces
economic attack, with the implicit possibility of future military attack.  In
the tradition of a Russian dissident succumbing to Soviet tyrants, Mr. Haider
hastened to issue the mandatory statements of contrition.

Marxist leaning Franklin Roosevelt once hailed the so-called "Everyman"-the
little guy, the masses yearning to be represented.  Yet today, if an auto
mechanic in Salzburg casts a vote for his own nation's leadership, the inner
circle of "enlightened" dictators in far-away Brussels or Washington will
coldly overrule his choice.

Despite the happy nonsense about the "spread of freedom" in the post-Cold War
era, the drive of the Warmakers to extinguish the unalienable rights of men
has continued.  The pace quickens.

D. Rabil for Heads Up!

For a related story see : Divide and Disarm:  The Warmakers Plan for the
Occupation of Yugoslavia, (http://www.whtt.org/990610cc.htm)

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[CTRL] Financing the Far Right


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FROM:
http://mall.turnpike.net/~jnr/farright.htm
Click Here: http://mall.turnpike.net/~jnr/farright.htm">The
Intelligence Report: Financing the Far Righ
-

For years, law enforcement officials say, Brian Michael Knoff helped run a
smuggling operation that brought tons of marijuana into the United States,
grossed millions of dollars and, in the end, left at least one gang member
dead.

But Knoff didn't buy yachts and entertain expensive women. He didn't own a
house. To all appearances, he didn't live a lavish life.

Instead, officials say, Knoff was apparently sinking hundreds of thousands of
dollars into the extreme right antigovernment movement ù money believed to
have been spent on deadly arsenals, movement defense funds and, possibly,
terrorist plots.

"I'm not in it for my own personal thing," Knoff once explained. "I want to
get ... big enough where we can, we can help some of the good people."

Knoff, a fugitive for two years now, is not alone.

Across the United States, right-wing criminals, who have long relied on such
perilous endeavors as robbing banks and running financial scams, seem to have
discovered a new way to fund their subversive political activities. While
such politically based drug-running was once restricted to revolutionary
groups in countries like Colombia, Mexico and Peru, officials now believe it
has arrived on American shores.

"There's a world-wide phenomenon in which antigovernment and separatist
groups are using drugs to buy weapons and finance other activities," says
Rensselaer Lee of Global Advisory Services, a Virginia-based firm that
investigates the international drug trade. It is only natural, experts add,
that drugs' easy profits should attract extremists here.

"Once you get into this (far-right) underworld, it's like any other criminal
enterprise," says Oliver Revell, the retired deputy associate director of the
FBI. "It's like Mafia street hoods. Once you've thrown over any recognition
of (government) legitimacy, then you're going to do what is most available
(to raise funds).

Brian Michael Knoff

"Drugs today provide that."

The evidence that drugs are funding parts of the extreme right is growing. In
July, Florida deputies busted a $500,000-a-year marijuana operation that
local, state and federal authorities believe funded the right-wing
underground. In Oregon, officials believe three men convicted of operating a
major methamphetamine lab pumped a small fortune into the militia movement.
In Georgia, police recently arrested two heavily armed men who may have been
underwriting white supremacist activities with a drug operation.

The story of Brian Knoff appears to be a textbook case.

Taxes, land and drugs
Born in Grafton, N.D., 59 years ago, Knoff was raised as a Mormon but left
the church after blacks were admitted, officials say. It's believed that in
the late 1980s he became friendly with several members of the Posse
Comitatus, a violent and anti-Semitic tax protest group. Three of those
friends eventually went to prison for their part in a $4 million land swindle
that was meant to raise money for the Posse.

In 1988, Knoff was himself convicted of tax evasion and was sent to a
Texarkana prison. There, he met Clell Lagett Benton, a Mormon raised in
Mexico. In 1992, officials say, ex-cons Benton and Knoff brought in Floridian
Richard Allen Hammons to help launch a marijuana smuggling operation out of
Palomas, in northern Mexico.

At first, the three bought small loads of poor quality pot from freelance
Mexican dealers and moved it by truck to the New Mexico border, investigators
say. But then Benton contacted Rene Saenz, who provided a link to the Sinaloa
group, one of Mexico's biggest drug rings. After that, the Americans'
operation took off.

They used a Cessna to fly tons of pot from a clandestine Mexican airstrip to
North Dakota and Florida, officials say. From there, the drugs were
distributed to Indiana, Florida, Pennsylvania and South Dakota. By 1994, the
gang included 20 people.

But that year, with the three partners netting more than $1 million a year,
Saenz was murdered in Mexico. He'd neglected to pay the Sinaloans a $1
million debt.

Through much of this period, Knoff was active in extreme right-wing circles.
In Deming, N.M., he conducted weekly seminars on so-called Patriot and
common-law theory. In April 1994, he was invited to a major conference hosted
by E. Tom Stetson, a leading adherent of the racist Christian Identity
religion and co-founder of the Unorganized Militia of Idaho. When Knoff's New
Mexico home was searched later in the year, authorities found a virtual who's
who of the far right in his address books.

Included among 30 major Patriot and white supremacist leaders were Louis
Beam, a former Klansman and ambassador -at-large for the racist Aryan
Nations; David and Randy Trochmann, co-founders of the Militia of Montana;
Earl Jones, a prominent Identity preacher in New M

[CTRL] Father, Son and CIA


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FROM:
http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/cia/c99.html
Click Here: http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/cia/c99.html">Father,
Son and CIA, Chapter 9
-
Supply and Demand
Chapter 9 from
Father, Son and CIA
by Harvey Weinstein

I now had a fairly complete understanding of what Ewen Cameron was trying to
do, and I even had some sense of what his motivations might have been. But
there remained a piece of the puzzle yet to be fixed in place. How was it
that a psychiatrist in Canada was chosen by the Central Intelligence Agency
of the United States to receive money for research? Clearly, a commonality of
interest had emerged; it was this relationship that I needed to explore.

The seeds of the relationship lie in the growth in intelligence work
beginning in the Second World War. Much of this work has been well described
elsewhere, but a brief history of the evolution of the American intelligence
community will reveal the fertile ground which promoted the growth of
mind-control experimentation.

In 1940, President Roosevelt sent William J. Donovan, a New York attorney and
the First World War general, on a fact-finding mission to Europe. The United
States had not yet developed an intelligence-gathering capacity similar to
that of many of the European nations. With the fast-moving events of the
Second World War and the sudden involvement of the United States in the world
arena, there was much to be learned, and quickly. Donovan returned with a
proposal to establish a centralized intelligence unit to be called the Office
of Coordinator of Information, with himself as director. It had two
divisions: the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the Office of War
Information. The OSS quickly developed relationships with members of the
scientific community of the United States who offered their expertise in a
variety of fields, from the use of chemical and biological substances to the
use of hypnosis. Richard Helms, the future director of the CIA was an early
recruit to this work.

In 1946, President Truman established the National Intelligence Authority
(NIA), which was similar to the presentday National Security Council. Within
this agency, a Central Intelligence Group was formed to oversee the gathering
of data. Momentum increased, and in 1947 the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) was established through the National Security Act. Truman was clearly
ambivalent about the establishment of the CIA; as noted in Merle Miller's
biography, he said: "Secrecy and a free, democratic government don't mix."

The history of officially sanctioned mind-control experimentation in the U.S.
began in 1950, when the Director of Central Intelligence approved the
establishment of a project, code-named Bluebird. Its objectives were as
follows:

*   to discover means of conditioning personnel to prevent unauthorized
extraction of information from them by known means

*   to investigate the possibility of control of an individual by application
of special interrogation techniques

*   to study memory enhancement

*   to establish defensive means for preventing hostile control of Agency
personnel

Subsequently, a fifth objective was added:

*   to evaluate offensive uses of unconventional interrogation techniques,
including hypnosis and drugs.

In 1951, the CIA decided to coordinate efforts with the army, navy and air
force, and Project Artichoke was born. A 1952 memorandum describes its
mission as follows:

*   Evaluation and development of any method by which we can get information
from a person against his will and without his knowledge.

*   How can we counter the above measures if they are used against us?

*   Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our
bidding against his will and even against such fundamental laws of nature
such as self-preservation?

*   How could we counter such measures if they are used against us?

Work was to include in-house experiments on interrogation techniques as well
as interrogation of individuals overseas who had been apprehended by the CIA.
The idea was to utilize these newer techniques such as drugs and hypnosis to
facilitate the extracting of information from foreign nationals. A remarkably
wide variety of substances were examined, including narcotics, mushrooms,
truth sera, cocaine, amphetamines, barbiturates, nitrous oxide and many
others.
In 1953, Project Artichoke evolved into Project MKULTRA, the major CIA
programme of research on substances designed to influence behaviour, a
programme which was to last for almost twenty years. Richard Helms has been
described as the driving force behind this endeavour, and in a 1953 memo he
noted that part of its function was "implanting suggestions and other forms
of mental control." MKULTRA was to move from laboratory testing on animals to
testing on human volunteers (although the individuals were not necessarily to
know what substance they were ingesting) and to the use of experimental

[CTRL] Users Sue AOL Over New 5.0 Software

2000-02-05 Thread Eagle 1


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http://www.andovernews.com/cgi-bin/news_story.pl?127504/topstories


>>>
Top Stories: Users Sue AOL Over New 5.0 Software

WASHINGTON, DC, U.S.A., 2000 FEB 2
(Newsbytes) -- By Brooke A. Masters, Washington Post. When Kenneth Yates's
home computer refused to access his Erols Internet account last fall, he
blamed his 11-year-old son for messing it up. Then Yates heard that a glitch
in the family's new America Online software might really be to blame.

So Yates teamed up with another AOL customer and filed a class-action
lawsuit alleging that the latest version of the company's software - version
5.0 - constitutes a deceptive trade practice and violates
consumer-protection and computer-tampering laws. The lawsuit, filed Monday
in federal court in Alexandria, seeks damages of up to $1, 000 for each of
the 8 million people who installed the software.

The central problem, lead plaintiff Farhad Khazai of Gaithersburg, Md.,
contends, occurs when users install version 5.0 or upgrade from an earlier
version. When Khazai agreed to make version 5.0 his default Internet
provider, Yates says, the installing software changed his settings so that
he could no longer just click on another provider's desktop icon to access a
different account.

"AOL is making people use the Net the way they want it to be used. The
Internet is supposed to be like free speech, with open access," said Yates,
a Gaithersburg lawyer who specializes in Internet law. He said he has teamed
up with a Birmingham-based firm, Gathings, Kennedy and Associates, which has
experience with large-scale class-action suits.

AOL spokesman Rich D'Amato said the company could not comment on the
specific allegations of the lawsuit, but he said that technical complaints
to AOL have dropped 20 percent since the switch to 5.0.

Creating default settings on a customer's desktop that conform to specific
companies' software "is a common practice in the industry" that makes the
Internet connection more stable, D'Amato said. The potential class is
large - 8 million AOL users have installed version 5.0, and thousands of
them have other Internet accounts. In addition, beta testers of the software
earlier told The Post that they complained to AOL about the glitch months
before the company created the millions of 5.0 CD-ROMs in circulation.
The lawsuit acknowledges that the damage to each consumer was not especially
large, making it impractical for customers to sue individually. Many were
able to reconnect with their other accounts after calling their other
Internet service provider. And the installing software specifically asks
whether the user wants 5.0 as a default, rather than assuming that is what
the user wants - another potential defense.

Several lawyers suggested that the other Internet service providers - which
had to spend time and money helping their frazzled customers - may have more
significant damage claims, but they are not included in the lawsuit.

AOL has settled class-action suits before: It paid off some shareholders who
complained about a controversial accounting practice, and it also gave
refunds to 128,000 customers who had trouble accessing the service after the
company switched to a flat-fee monthly plan.

"One of the key risks for a consumer products company like AOL is the cost
to its reputation," said Keith Shugarman, a D.C. lawyer who has been
involved in large-scale civil litigation.

Copyright (C) 2000, The Washington Post. Reprinted with permission.
Reported By The Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com .



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Subject: FLASH - Drudge on Bush Payroll?

After two screaming headlines that attempted to portray McCain in
a negative light, suspicions have been raised that Matt Drudge is
a paid operative for the George Bush campaign. "MCCAIN'S WIFE
WEARS HILLAR PIN" and "MCDRUNK: KIDS BOOZE OUT AT MCCAIN RALLY
are two of the latest examples. "These are silly headlines that
are clearly designed to attempt to discredit McCain," said
political analyst John Herringburg. "The problem is that they are
so silly and over the top that the one who ends up being
discredited is Drudge himself. This is real college prankster
stuff and I don't think that Bush is getting his monies worth if
in fact investigators do turn up a financial connection."

Developing

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[CTRL] NSA (and the Special Collection Service) (fwd)


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U.S. News 2/14/00

The sound of silence? America's elite eavesdropping agency faces
an uncertain future

By Warren P. Strobel

At 7 p.m. on January 24, the massive electronic brain of the U.S.
intelligence system hiccuped, sighed, then shut down. In a
twinkling, billions of dollars' worth of supercomputers,
high-speed modems, and top-secret electronics fell silent. The
central data network of the National Security Agency in leafy
Fort Meade, Md., would remain that way for an agonizing three
daysan unprecedented event in the history of the nation's
intelligence services.

The computer failure illustrates the perilous state of the NSA,
but it also shows how America's role in the high-stakes game of
intelligence collection has changed since the end of the Cold
War. During the decades-long face- off between Washington and
Moscow, human spies grabbed the headlines and captured the
public's imagination. But it was in the field of signals
intelligenceSIGINT in the argot of the spy tradewhere America
had the real edge. And that was because of the NSA. Since Harry
Truman created it in 1952, the supersecret eavesdropping agency
(the joke was that the letters stood for "no such agency") has
scooped up electronic signals from everything from faxes and
phone calls to radar waves and missile launches. At its closely
guarded campus in Maryland, teams of linguists and analysts
decoded the data and determined what they meant. The resulting
reports, among the most highly classified in the government, were
devoured by presidents, generals, and cabinet secretaries. Around
the globe, the NSA plucked countless secrets from the air. It was
a weapon none could match.

Now, however, the NSA and America's intelligence community face a
crisis of existential proportions. A number of current and former
NSA officials broke their customary code of silence to speak to
U.S. News about the agency and its future. All say America's
security will be increasingly at risk if the NSA does not manage
to pull itself into the futureand soon. "We've run out of time,"
one official says. "The world changed on us, and we didn't change
the talent, the culture, the technology fast enough."

The enemy within. The technology challenges should have come as
no surprise. Enemies who once communicated over the airwaves now
use underground fiber-optic cable. Encryption software that
creates nearly unbreakable codes is available to businessmen and
bad guys, depriving the NSA of an edge it enjoyed for decades.
The sheer volume of the data gathered by the agencymillions and
millions of feet of tape recordingsfar outstrips the ability of
its analysts to keep up.

But the NSA's biggest enemy may be itself. Larger and more
hidebound than the CIA (with its $3.6 billion-a-year budget and
38,000 workers worldwide, it is the largest employer in
Maryland), the NSA has stubbornly resisted change. For decades,
NSA headquarters was cut off from the outside world.
Technologically, its elite employees were miles ahead of the rest
of the world. So much so, it seems, that they discounted the
technology revolution roaring around them. "There is . . . a
total inability to come to grips with what's happening to us," an
official says. "There is an incredible self-centered arrogance
about how brilliant we are, how successful we've been for the
nation. That's all true, but it's blinding us to the future."

That smugness lay behind last month's computer failure. Two years
ago, the Senate Intelligence Committee ordered its technical
advisory group to study the NSA. The experts found an agency "in
desperate need of organizational restructuring and modernization
of its information technology infrastructure," committee chairman
Sen. Richard Shelby said. Sources tell U.S. News that private
contractors warned the NSA's Q Group that its proposed design to
begin upgrading its data networks, a project dubbed Light Core,
would not work. The NSA went ahead with it anyway. Today the
system requires frequent technological band-aids.

The most damning assessment of the NSA's recent management came
from two study panels that its new director, Air Force Lt. Gen.
Michael Hayden, convened before launching what may be a do-or-die
effort to shake up the agency. "The individual capabilities at
NSA far surpass the totality," one report concluded. The
implication: The agency's mathematicians, linguists, analysts,
and technologists are being impeded by their own institution.

Listening in. Surprisingly, the NSA's intelligence failures have
been relatively fewso far. But more crises loom because of the
proliferation of encryption technology. "The crypto revolution
is, in some ways, a storm out to sea," says former NSA general
counsel Stewart Baker. "But one day, it's going to roar in and
just wipe out large chunks of what the agency does." The NSA
still performs well in emergencies like Kosovo, officials say.
But while it can marshal its forces to

[CTRL] FBI Details Democratic Fund-Raising Abuses--LATimes (fwd)


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Web-published Saturday, February 5, 2000 | Print this story

FBI Details Democratic Fund-Raising Abuses

Probe: A 74-page report recounts numerous election-law
irregularities by businessman Charlie Trie.

By WILLIAM C. REMPEL and ALAN C. MILLER, Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON--Newly obtained FBI documents show that Democratic
fund-raiser Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie smuggled a wealthy Taiwan
businessman using a false identity into the White House to meet
President Clinton.

The incident is among numerous revelations in a confidential
summary of Trie's statements to federal investigators that are
certain to reverberate during an increasingly contentious
election-year debate over campaign finance abuses.

The bizarre episode, regarded as a serious breach of presidential
security by federal officials, occurred at a White House holiday
party Dec. 13, 1996--days before Trie fled the United States to
avoid authorities investigating fund-raising improprieties.

Trie, a former Arkansas restaurateur and friend of Clinton, was
interviewed extensively by FBI agents after he pleaded guilty in
May to election-law violations and agreed to cooperate with
investigators. He also named new sources of secret foreign funds
that were funneled into the last presidential campaign.

A 74-page FBI report obtained by The Times offers the first
detailed account of illicit foreign fund-raising by Trie, one of
the most notorious financial supporters of Clinton's 1996
reelection effort.

Trie, for example, revealed for the first time the role of Tomy
Winata, a Jakarta billionaire with financial ties to the
Indonesian army and an aide to the chief of Chinese military
intelligence. Trie said Winata sent him $200,000 in travelers
checks to "help out" with donations, a portion of which Trie used
to make illegal contributions to the Democratic National
Committee and reimburse donors to the Clinton legal defense fund.

Federal law prohibits campaign contributions from foreign sources
as well as hiding the true identity of donors.

Trie's account also could further embarrass Vice President Al
Gore by shedding new light on a particularly damaging event from
the Democratic front-runner's past. Trie told the FBI that he
first suggested either Clinton or Gore visit the Hsi Lai Temple
in Southern California, specifically to raise political funds.

Trie called Democratic fund-raiser John Huang with the proposal,
he said, adding that they shared an understanding with "Asians in
general that there was a lot of money" at the temple.

Gore, surrounded by saffron-robed nuns and monks, attended a
luncheon at the Hacienda Heights temple that raised $140,000 for
the Democratic National Committee--a visit that came to epitomize
the 1996 fund-raising scandal. The vice president later denied
that he knew the event was a fund-raiser.

Both Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the Republican winner in last
week's New Hampshire primary, and former New Jersey Sen. Bill
Bradley, Gore's Democratic rival, have hammered the vice
president for his role in 1996 fund-raising excesses.

Responding to Trie's account of the genesis of the temple event,
Laura Quinn, Gore's communications director, said: "We have
nothing to add. That doesn't change any of the facts as they
relate to the vice president."

The FBI report is missing about one-third of its original
content, deleted to protect grand jury secrecy and ongoing
criminal investigations. Trie completed 17 interviews with agents
and government attorneys between May 28 and Oct. 27, 1999.

White House spokesman Jim Kennedy said Friday: "As we have said
before, the president had no knowledge of, or reason to suspect,
problems in campaign fund-raising. Nothing in the many
investigations since that time has demonstrated otherwise."

Trie's attorney could not be reached for comment.

One of the report's most striking disclosures is Trie's
acknowledgment that he used false identification to spirit a
foreign businessman into the White House under the noses of
Secret Service agents.

Trie invited Chich Chong "Simon" Chien, the Taiwan chairman of
TransCapital International and a potential client, to a White
House holiday dinner for DNC supporters.

Trie explained to FBI agents that he "did not want people
thinking that he was bringing another foreigner into the White
House." So he asked his Little Rock secretary to send the
driver's license of her husband to Washington. Trie believed that
using the Arkansas license of Reynaldo Mapili, a
Filipino-American postal worker, would allow Chien to "pass as an
American citizen."

Routinely, visitors to the White House must provide their names,
birth dates and Social Security numbers in advance for background
checks. Upon arrival at Secret Service checkpoints, photo
identification is required.

Nonetheless, Trie succeeded in gaining Chien entry as Mapili,
even though the Taiwanese businessman bore "no similarity
whatsoever" to the Little Rock mail

Re: [CTRL] ritual abuse home page

2000-02-05 Thread Smart News


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Hi !

Below please find a URL for a ritual abuse home page.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick


Our listing these resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsement
of them. Resources mentioned in this resource list are mentioned for
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recovery process, so use caution when reading anything or contacting anyone
mentioned in this resource list.
Please use caution at this page. it may be triggering.


http://www.xroads.com/rahome/

"Ritual abuse is an extreme sadistic form of abuse of children and
non-consenting adults. It is methodical, systematic sexual, physical,
emotional and spiritual abuse, which often includes mind control, torture,
and highly illegal and immoral activities such as murder, child pornography
and prostitution. The abuse is justified by a religious or political ideology

This site is designed primarily to give support information and encouragement
to survivors. A second goal is to make information available to all who are
interested in the field.

If you are a survivor, please be careful in reading the information compiled
here. It is impossible to give information on ritual abuse, and about
people's opinions about ritual abuse, in a way that is not upsetting and/or
triggering. Only you know how much is wise to read, and how much information
you can absorb at one time."

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[CTRL] DRUDGE: White House Smuggling Revealed (fwd)


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X DRUDGE REPORT X SAT FEB 05 2000 15:02:04 ET X

SECRET FBI REPORT: CHARLIE TRIE COMMITTED SERIOUS BREACH OF WHITE
HOUSE SECURITY

Democratic fund-raiser Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie smuggled a wealthy
Taiwan businessman using a false identity into the White House to
meet President Clinton, it will be reported on Sunday.

MORE

The incident is among numerous revelations in a confidential
summary of Trie's statements to federal investigators, the LOS
ANGELES TIMES will report.



Trie told the FBI that he first suggested "either Clinton or Gore
visit the Hsi Lai Temple in Southern California, specifically to
raise political funds."



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[CTRL] Update on the Government Program To Persecute Christians in Canada.

2000-02-05 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [BCPolitics] Stop the Persecution of Christians,
 Mr. Dosanjh!

From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dear Vancouver Sun: Your story today that Ujjal Dosanjh is a "shoe in" to
be the new NDP Leader and Premier of BC must cause great consternation to
anyone who subscribes to the constitutional foundation of BC and Canada.
If I caught that aspect of the "Listenup" program correctly, the UBC
Pro-Lifers were to have $10,000/day EXTORTED from them if they wanted to
have their CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHTS TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND
EXPRESSION enforced. That is, "security" would cost them $10,000 a day
while the pro-choicers would pay nothing for security. At least one
criminal thug who vandalized the Pro-Life booth was well videotaped and
has been named. There have been no charges or any disciplinary action.
   It may surprise Mr. Dosanjh that being Attorney General does not give
him the right to put criminal thugs under the aegis of the AG's
bureaucracy nor does it give him the right to violate the Constitutional
rights and PERSECUTE a religious minority in the community. I watched
as an East Indian journalist said in a television interview recently how
pleased he was that "one of our people" would likely be Premier. Who else
can make such a racist statement without reprisal? And just what kind of
"people" are we talking about here? People who foster a "Godless
Society" to use the phrase of Bob Wenman in 1981 and violate the Rule of
Law?
   I will phone Mr. Watson on Monday and see if he will be starting a
private prosecution against Dosanjh et al.
Sincerely-FWP.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

> From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Dear Attorney General Dosanjh:
>
> I am incensed by the report of Stephanie Gray, which I just heard on "Listenup". It 
>seems that pro-life exhibitors at UBC were subjected to CRIMINAL VANDALISM and 
>CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS of their right to freedom of religion and speech in tbe 
>latter months of 1999. It would seem clear that the UBC Administration is complicit 
>in this shameful, criminal and unconstitutional conduct. Unless you deal with this 
>matter immediately I will conclude that the same appellations apply to you.
>I am not requesting that the students responsible for the vandalism and the UBC 
>Administration responsible for this shocking combination of criminal and 
>constitutional violations be prosecuted. I AM DEMANDING IT. If you do not act on this 
>Mr. Dosanjh, you can expect that private prosecution will be the next stage and that 
>you will most certainly be named in that prosecution. You cannot continue to play 
>fast and loose with the Constitution and Criminal Law of this country. YOU ARE NOT 
>ABOVE THE LAW.
>I am also at a loss as to why the Civil Liberties lawyers "defending" the 
>pro-lifers haven't acted more forcefully. Is this part of the the current campaign of 
>persecution against Christians in BC? Our next meeting on this subject will be at 
>Metrotown Library, Community Meeting Room, 7:00-9:00 p.m., Feb. 18. I will be 
>lecturing on the topic of "psychopolitics" in the context of the current systematized 
>persecutions of Christians in BC and Canada. I think you and some of your staff 
>should attend and learn a lesson in  good citizenship and the RULE OF LAW. "Whereas 
>Canada is founded upon principle that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of 
>law" The RULE OF LAW which you apparently do not know, means that the legal 
>rights to freedom of speech and freedom of religion must be protected for Christian 
>pro-lif

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARDAUSTRIA

2000-02-05 Thread

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It's a small issue, but it should be Kinder, Kirche, Kueche -
children, church and *kitchen*.  "Cake" is der Kuchen.

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> Austria and Bavaria have always been known for kinder, kirche,
> kuche--children, church, and cake. Hardly my idea of a great
>
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Re: [CTRL] Hitler-ism or (NWO) New World Order is Suicidal #2

2000-02-05 Thread sno0wl

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On 5 Feb 00, at 15:08, ThePiedPiper wrote:

>  think it is from the aspen tree that aspirin is
> derived.

No, I think it's willow--white willow.

sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Dulce Base Revelations! Billy Dee Remarks!

2000-02-05 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General


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Check this out.Photos galore. People can't just walk around and take
pictures.Even heard that they have some device that picks up someone walking
on the ground in the area. Branton has firsthand info on Area 51. People get
abducted and taken there and they remember.
Nicky

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I've seen this Dulce story kicked around the internet for years now and even
on some of the old BBS's before the popularity of the web grew and have yet
to see any photos other than maps of this location. You can get a map
anywhere and edit it with all x's and circles you want but you would think
after all this time a photo would surface if any of this were true. It
doesn't have to be a photo of the alleged underground 7th level, just
something of these supposed artifacts on the surface. If this guy is so
resourceful with his information then he should have no problem producing a
photo!


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cover the upcoming event known as The People's Rally at AREA 51 in
Nevada.The People's Rally at AREA 51 will take place as scheduled on June
5-6, 2000, right at the restricted boundary line on Groom Lake Road (in
Lincoln County, Nevada), as previously announced worldwide in the Internet
newsgroups.
This will be a legal, public assembly and will take place on legal, public
land. The event is intended to be a spontaneous, peaceful gathering of
concerned citizens.   There will be speakers at the Rally to address several
key issues. One of the purposes of the gathering will be to bring to the
attention of the news media once again the continuing plight of former Groom
Lake workers who are still suffering from illnesses caused by long-term
exposure to highly toxic chemicals without their knowledge while working at
AREA 51, the base that officially "doesn't exist". The former workers and
their families' plea is not so much to seek for monetary compensation as to
seek for cures to the diseases.

At the People's Rally, the following proposals will be made:

1)  That the government, through its most appropriate agency or channel
(whichever one they may deem appropriate) and through a publicly recognized
media,  give a brief statement, once and for all,  of assurance that the
former workers were or are being medically treated for their illness.

2)  That the government construct a clearly marked new fence at least
several miles along the restricted boundary on both sides of Groom Lake
road, instead of  vague thin orange posts posted wide apart.

3)  That the government construct a new Guard Shack right at the restricted
boundary line (where it should be, to begin with)  by Groom Lake road,
instead of the present Guard Shack which is hidden more than a third of a
mile inside the restricted area.

4)  That t

[CTRL] Fw: Declaration of the Austrian antiracist movement


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Subject: Declaration of the Austrian antiracist movement
>>
>this is a mail to our international friends who are concearned about what
is
>going on in Austria.
>if you agree with the content, please forward it to others.
>
>***.
>
>WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS DONE TO HUMAN RIGHTS
>AND HUMAN DIGNITY IN OUR COUNTRY.
>
>We do not feel obliged to claim Austria's "innocence". The to-be government
>is in support of the majority of Austria's population.
>We have no reason to claim Haider is "just another" populist. He is not. He
>is a
>populist that operates with xenophobia, racism and the denial of the
>Holocaust.
>
>The major threat is not the increase of direct violence against minorities.
>The
>major threat is the signal that far right agitation and action is not only
>ok but
>earns you a place in government.
>As opportunism is one of the most prominent features of the "Austrian
>mentality", this is a severe political danger.
>
>We have reason to be afraid of
>* the final end of refugee or integration policies
>* increasing xenophobia, racism and even antisemitism, because Austia has
>never faced its past and now people have governmental legitimation for such
>attitudes
>* law and order policies instead of co-operative strategies to deal with
>crime
>and conflict
>* abolition of progressive women's policies (e.g. the post of the minister
>for
>women's affairs will be cancelled and replaced by an extended family
>ministery)
>* severe restrictions to freedom of art, especially where it puts a finger
>on the
>state of the Austrian society (already, in Carinthia, artists are faced
with
>political limitations to their work)
>* restrictions to the freedom of press, because subsidies for critical
media
>products will most certainly be cut down
>
>we don't know yet what to do about it.
>we need both your solidarity and your ongoing critisism.
>don't stop looking at our country.
>
>
>To the international community
>
>Declaration of the Austrian antiracist movement
>
>In this moment of Austrian history we are deeply concerned with the
>political
>developments in our country. For more than 10 years, many NGOs, initiatives
>and smaller parties have tried to change the austrian racist reality
without
>success.
>
>In the new millenium, Austria still is not a democracy but a national
>democracy. More than 10 % of our population is systematically denied all
>political rights and participation, often even for decades, they are kept
in
>the
>status of "foreigners". Even in the trade-unions, there are no equal voting
>rights for all workers and employees. This system, guaranteeing equality
not
>to human beeings but to citizens only, is unique in Europe. Since a
>democratic
>system has been imposed on Austria after World War II, not only the
>conservatives and the right wing, but also the governing social democrats
>fortified this system of nationalistic and racist segregation and
exclusion.
>This
>lack of balance in the political system led to the uprising of a party that
>is
>openly promoting a revision of Nazi history, using racism as an effective
>political tool due to the lack of a counterveilling power.
>
>Even the killing of Marcus Omofuma during his deportation on May 1st 1999
>did not lead to any antiracist measures. On the contrary, police action,
>especially against people with African background, increased drastically.
>Charles O., major activist, writer and poet from Nigeria, was even accused
>of
>being a drug-boss and imprisoned for 3 months, before he had to be released
>due to complete lack of evidence and major charges were dropped.
>Nevertheless these practices led to significant intimidation of the Black
>communities in their political campaigning.
>
>Under such unfair conditions of criminalisation and the lack of democratic
>rights, we welcome initiatives from the side of the international community
>that put pressure on Austrian representatives. Austria is facing a drastic
>swing
>to the right. With a right-conservative government things will even get
>worse
>for people discriminated on grounds of racism, including the Jewish
>minority,
>as well as for people discriminated on the grounds of sexual orientation,
>sexual
>identity or on the grounds of being physically handicaped.
>
>For some years now, Austria is known in the European Union for its attempts
>to radically alter the politics towards a demontage of the Geneva
Convention
>and the denial of asylum for refugees. Austria has become the home-base for
>right-wing policies, threatening emancipatory movements all over Europe.
>Therefore it is in the self-interest of all democratic powers in Europe to
>try to
>reverse the political currents in Austria. We want to encourage all
>international steps in this direction, hoping that the European Union at
>least
>has learned from history, while the

[CTRL] "ANGEL OF MERCY" - THE STORY OF ONE GENERAL OF YUGOSLAV ARMY

2000-02-05 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General


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Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU

Dear Madam / Sir,

We are sending you the article "ANGEL OF MERCY" by Mrs. Simonida Dragas, a
recognized expert on Kosovo and Metohia, in hope that it will be of use to
you in achieving a better understanding of the situation in this troubled
region.


 Author: Mrs. Simonida Dragas

"ANGEL OF MERCY" - THE STORY OF ONE GENERAL OF YUGOSLAV ARMY

"Angel of Mercy" is the name of war that had been waged by America and NATO
in Kosovo, where violence continues even though war is officially over and
bombs are no longer part of the "merciful" action for "liberation" of
Albanians. The title itself is an ironic paraphrasing of the title of well -
known fresco from Mileseva monastery "The White Angel". But ironic
paraphrasing of things that are held sacred by one nation is also a
testimony to the barbarism of those who paraphrase it.

Americans, Germans and Albanians: Its the old well - known story. It is
almost as well - known as the Albanian love for weapons: Today, just like it
used to be the case in the past, there is hardly any Albanian house in
Kosovo that has no weapons in it. Arms are an integral part of thoughts,
hands, and characters of Albanian men. Thus the fact that in former
Yugoslavia many young Albanians had attended military schools and academies
should not come as a surprise. Young Albanians were enrolled and selected
like young men of other nationalities - according to their success on
application exams.

We had talked about this subject - Albanians and Yugoslav army - with
someone who is qualified to discuss the subject, being an Albanian and
officer himself. He maintains that there had been quite a lot of Albanians
in Yugoslav army, among others there are Generals Isa Kransnici, Fadilj
Curanoli, Edhem Racica who still live in Belgrade. Some of them are still in
active military service.

When the break - up of Yugoslavia had begun, some Albanian officers took
active part in it. Our source claims that none of the high ranking Albanian
officers had left Yugoslav army. Only younger Albanian officers of lower
rank - such as captains and lieutenants - had deserted. Most of these
deserters had left the units of Yugoslav army that had been stationed in
Slovenia and Croatia. Some of these former officers played important role in
settlement of Albanians in these areas before they had left the army. For
example, colonel Beciri played important role in settlement of over 8000
Albanians in Sarajevo, where he had been stationed. He supported settlement
of Albanians in other parts of Bosnia as well. Colonel Beciri had been the
President of Albanian Association in Bosnia. He had received money from his
compatriots whom he had helped to settle in Bosnia. Part of that money went
for illegal purchase of arms that were destined for Kosovo Albanians.

As soon as the break-up of former Yugoslavia had begun, young Albanian
officers deserting from Yugoslav army signed contracts with the newly formed
armed forces of Slovenia and Croatia. Their monthly wages ranged from 1
to 15000 German Marks. Soon they became the hard core of Slovenian and
Croatian armies.

Beside participation in armed conflicts in Slovenia and Croatia, many
Albanian officers who had received the training and military education of
highest standard in Yugoslav army prior to their desertion, started leaving
for Albania as early as 1991. There they began training their compatriots
from Kosovo and Albania. CIA and BND were well acquainted with their
training camps in Tirana and Kux. Acting on orders of their sponsors,
Albanian officers who had at one point taken the solemn oath of allegiance
to defend Yugoslavia now lead the units made up of terrorists against the
same country. This breach of oath had begun as early as early as 1991 and
lasted until the very end of operation "Angel of Mercy". The fact that gangs
of terrorists had been continuously crossing Yugoslav - Albanian border is
no big secret. Sometimes during "Angel of Mercy" operations the groups
numbered as many as 1 or even 15000 terrorists armed with German weapons
and trained by former officers of Yugoslav army. NATOs aircraft and
artillery had been providing support for these terrorist groups. Terrorists
often tried to penetrate Yugoslav territory from Macedonia, going across
Sara mountain.

Our source maintains that UCK / KLA had been formed primarily thanks to the
efforts of Albanian officers who had received training in Yugoslav army,
prior to their desertion. UCK / KLA commander Agim Ceku was the most
ruthless and fierce among those officers. He used to be stationed in
Yugoslav armys garrison in town of Gospic in Croatia. He and another former
officer of Yugoslav army, major Oreskovic, had planned and carried out the
brutal murdering of 120 Serbs in Gospic late in 1991.

Our source maintains that Albanian officers who had de

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARD AUSTRIA

2000-02-05 Thread sno0wl


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On 5 Feb 00, at 7:34, Colleen Jones wrote:

The logic of RuMills thinking is eluding me. She seems to be
saying that either:

1)  We support Austria's neo-Naziism  (and "Faction 2") and defy
the NWO

or

2) We join in Austria's own defiance of neo-Naziism and thus
support the NWO.

The choice she gives us neo-Naziism OR NWO. Is there really a
difference between them? Seems like a matter of heads I win, tails
you lose.

She also seems to suggest that immigration is a dangerous policy
and that only homogenous communities within nations support
social order. (Which is facist thinking to me-- Hitler would certainly
agree with her).

Is she also saying that when nations and their economies are
destroyed by war or natural catastrophe, making it impossible for
people to live and survive there, people must stay where they were
born, even if means death?

Through history it has been demonstrated that great societies and
civilizations arise where multi-ethnicity and multi-nationalism thrive.
Austria and Bavaria have always been known for kinder, kirche,
kuche--children, church, and cake. Hardly my idea of a great
society or great civilization--although Austrian scenery certainly
has it charms. However, this charming area seems to hide a
hotbed of contention under a deceivingly smooth surface since two
world wars have been ignited from that region.

The movement of populations has altered civilization throughout the
known history of the world and is essentially unstoppable. And
some would say that periods of greater movement are tied to
periods of significant seismic upheaval--a part of our organic
evolution and development, as it were, for better or for worse.
sno0wl

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[CTRL] Fwd: A Pilots's Analysis of Fl. 261 Crash

2000-02-05 Thread DIG alfred webre


 2.5.00
 A Pilot's Analysis of  Fl. 261 Crash


 We received this important and thorough analysis of the crash from our
 respondent John Prukop, who holds an Air Transport Pilot's license. As
 John notes toward the end of his message: "I think it very important to
 keep in mind that all was well with FLT 261 ... UNTIL it reached the
 vicinity of Point Mugu."

 How true.

 Prukop also notes that for the jet's pilots to have requested and gotten
 permission to turn the plane around and head back to LAX when it was
 ALREADY in big trouble and down to 17,000 feet, "makes NO SENSE AT ALL,
 considering the circumstances and the closeness of NAS Point Mugu with
 its 12,000' runway."

 Indeed.



 NewsHawk® Inc.
 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

 Subject: Re: Alaska Airlines Flight #261
 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0800
 From: "CCW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


 In addition to holding an ATP myself and airline experience with the
 commuters (turboprops with "T"-tail configuration), a close personal
 friend of mine is a senior check airman and sim instructor at one of the
 majors. We've discussed the Alaska FLT 261 scenario. A runaway
 stabilizer or jammed stabilizer is a controllable thing, which is
 routinely practiced with applicable emergency procedures to handle this
 type of thing.

 Understand that FLT 261 was in cruise flight conditions at Flight Level
 310 (31,000 feet) as best we can determine. Unless some EXTERNAL force
 would upset the longitudinal or lateral trim of the aircraft in cruise
 (which at the time would have been most likely on autopilot with only
 very minor inputs to the control servos to keep the aircraft level and
 in trim) -- or an input to the control surfaces from the pilots
 themselves (unlikely) -- IF for some reason the stab-trim motors
 activated which turn gears, which in turn change the pitch attitude of
 the entire "T" tail stabilizer (not the elevator hinged at the aft edge
 of the stabilizer), and were in what is termed a "runaway stabilizer"
 condition, the pilots would have immediately gone through an emergency
 checklist and pulled the CB's (circuit breakers) that control those
 motors and cutoff and remove electrical power from that system. There is
 evidence they did do this. Then with normal control inputs via the
 control wheel, elevator control at the aft edge of the stabilizer would
 enable them to control the pitch attitude of the aircraft and commence a
 descent and emergency landing ... THE AIRCRAFT WOULD BE controllable.
 HOWEVER, it is possible on the DC-9 and MD-80 series with the "T" tail
 configuration (unlike the B737) to over-correct. That is to say, if the
 airplane is slowed up too much, so that the long fuselage and nose is
 shadowing or blocking airflow over the "T" tail, the aircraft COULD snap
 forward violently, inverted, because of the "T" tail no longer providing
 a balance of the weight distributed along the fuselage. An example would
 be a teeter-totter, balanced in the middle, and all of a sudden you
 remove weight from one end -- the other end snaps violently downward --
 but in the air, there is nothing to stop the forward snapping down, and
 so the airplane goes inverted and into a dive. If this anomaly occurred
 at 17,000 feet -- as we have been led to believe -- when FLT 261 was
 cleared for an emergency landing into LAX -- 40 miles away (which makes
 no sense at all considering the circumstances and the closeness of NAS
 Point Mugu with its 12,000' runway), the airplane would not have had
 sufficient altitude to recover from the resulting dive. The scenario
 would have played out as we have witnessed.

 Also, the evidence of "popping" sounds as the aircraft was descending
 leads me to believe the engines, which are mounted below and slightly
 forward of the tail/stabilizer - which would have also been shadowed by
 the fuselage when slowing up the airplane too much - could have been
 compressor stall of the forward blades in the engine intakes, but this
 is conjecture on my part. The compressors would most likely have stalled
 in the above scenario.

 So, what I'm saying here is that, YES, it is possible to land the plane
 with a jammed or runaway stabilizer and has been done on a number
 occasions without incident ... but at the same, time if over-correction
 was induced such that the "T" tail and engines were blocked of airflow
 in slowing the aircraft too much, the above scenario could play itself
 out with catastrophic results.

 Something you need to know here, is that an airplane is slowed by
 reducing power and applying back-pressure on the control wheel; in
 addition, forward slats are extended on the MD-80 series increasing the
 lift of the wings by the increased upper curvature -- and when the
 airplane is slowed, the pitch attitude changes such that the nose is
 higher than the tail -- however, you can reach a point in the pitch
 attitude when slowing that the airplane stalls -- and this event on a
 "T" tail configured MD-80 series aircraf

Re: [CTRL] Judge says gay [homo] school club can meet.


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From: "Bard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> June, If there are heterosexuals in the Homo Club, then they must have
> been recruited by the homos.  Bet you a dinner at a gay (homo)
> restaurant that those alleged heteros in the club came from a
> dysfunctional family environment.
> Remember, homos cannot procreate;  they must recruit.

No, they are born that way.

Presumably you're heterosexual (altho the way you protest too much, one
wonders perhaps if you aren't in the closet)...

Were YOU 'recruited' to be heterosexual?

I know I wasn't.  I just knew I was a heterosexual...

Every gay person I've known has said the same thing.  They were never
'recruited', they just knew they were gay.

As for non-homophobic straights coming from dysfunctional families,
I'd wager more homophobes come from such families than non-homophobes...


June

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[CTRL] JOHN McCAIN AND HIS CONNECTIONS - by David Icke


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from:
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/mccain.html
Click Here: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/mccain.html">JOHN
McCAIN AND HIS CONNECTIONS  ~ Articles by 
-
THE "CHOICE" FOR 2000:
COME ON THEN, BE HONEST.
WHICH ONE WOULD YOU VOTE FOR??
INCLUDES BACKGROUND TO THE DEEPLY CORRUPT
JOHN McCAIN AND HIS CONNECTIONS
TO THE PHOENIX MAFIA

by David Icke
The United States media is now exploding wall to wall coverage of the 2000
presidential election across the airwaves. If you like watching paint
dry...well this is for you. Placed candidates on both "sides" are reading
their scripts and ensuring the outcome the Illuminati decided a long time ago.

We are currently at the stage where the Republican and Democratic Parties
(both branches of the Illuminati Party) are choosing their candidate to run
for president. The front runner on the Republican side is GEORGE W. BUSH (see
related article), the son of the paedophile, child-killing, drug-running,
mind-controlling, serial killer, George Bush, President of the United States
before Bill Clinton.

Son-of-his-Father is the favourite to be the next president and keep the
reptilian bloodline in the White House. He is actually a very poor candidate
and the more people see him in action, the less they seem to like him. He
does not appear to be the brightest man ever to walk Planet Earth, but then
that has never been a block on reaching the highest political office. For
more on the background to George W. Bush you will not see in the media
consult links at bottom of this page and:
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm and
http://www.gwbush.com

The Illuminati are going to have do some real dirty work on Bush's likely
Democratic opponent, AL GORE, if they are to put another Bush in the
presidency. But, of course, as usual, they control both candidates anyway,
and Al Gore is extremely aptly named, it seems. Gore has been identified as a
shapeshifting reptilian who attends the Illuminati Satanic rituals and,
according to Fritz Springmeier's book, The Illuminati Bloodlines, Gore is
addicted to drinking human blood. For more on Gore see:
http://www.realchange.org/index.htm#gore

Gore's rival for the Democratic nomination is BILL BRADLEY, a Rhodes Scholar,
like Bill Clinton. Rhodes Scholarships are named after, and were originally
funded by, Cecil Rhodes, the infamous Illuminati front man and they pay for
highly selected bloodline students to go to Oxford University in England, the
heart-centre of the Illuminati's control of global "education". At the last
two presidential elections, both Clinton and his chief advisor, George
Stephanopolous, were Rhodes Scholars. Sure is a small world when you are
involved with the Illuminati. For more on Bradley see:
http://www.realchange.org/index.htm#bradley

JOHN McCAIN, the alleged main challenger to George W. Bush for the Republican
nomination, is a war "hero" we are told who was captured by the
CIA-controlled North Vietnamese during the CIA-created Vietnam War. Two
former Special Operations operatives and Vietnam Veterans organisations like
US Veterans Dispatch have a rather different story of McCain's war record. As
a politician he has viciously attacked those groups seeking justice for
Vietnam veterans and prisoners of war.

At the very least one must ask why a man who says he fought for "freedom" and
American "values" should be involved with the kind of company he keeps.

McCain is a puppet of the Phoenix-Arizona mobster network, the state he
represents as a senator. To understand the background to John McCain, you
need to know about the Kemper Marley organised crime network which runs
Arizona. Marley was the protégé of Sam Bronfman of the major Illuminati
bloodline family in North America which owns the liquor giant Seagrams and
Universal Music, the biggest music company in the world. See related article
on Time Warner. Marley had also been connected to what remained of the Al
Capone operation.

Kemper Marley, now dead, owned the Arizona liquor monopoly, United Liquor. In
1948 two employees of this "company" were jailed for federal liquor
violations and one of them was Jim Hensley, the general manager, and father
in law toJohn McCain.

Marley himself was saved from prosecution by his personal attorney, William
Rehnquist, who went on to be the present Chief Justice of the US Supreme
Court!! When Hensley came out of prison he was rewarded by Marley with a
Budweiser distributorship, which is now in the hands ofJohn McCain. The last
estimate I saw it was worth $200 million.

When a reporter on the Arizona Republic, Don Bolles, threatened to expose the
Marley rackets and the big names involved, he was murdered when a bomb
exploded in his car. Bolles was wheeling and dealing with these guys and so
knew the truth. His last words were: "Adamson, Emprise, the mafia."

John Adamson was a hit man and Emprise was a dog track operation which
changed it's name to Sportservice. It

[CTRL] Skull and Bones


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from:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html
Click Here: http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html">Skull and
Bones
-
   Skull & Bones
It all began at Yale. In 1832, General William Huntington Russell and
Alphonso
Taft put together a super secret society for the elite children of the Anglo-
American Wall Street banking establishment. William Huntington Russell's
step-brother Samuel Russell ran "Russell & Co.", the world's largest OPIUM
smuggling operation in the world at the time. Alphonso Taft is the
Grandfather of our ex-president Howard Taft, the creator of the Forerunner to
the United Nations.
Only 15 seniors are picked each year by the former graduating class. They
are required as a part of their initiation ceremony to lie naked in a coffin
and recite
their sexual history. This method allows other members to control the
individual
by threatening to reveal their innermost secrets if they do not "go-along".
   George Bush's father as well as George Bush were and are members of Skull
& Bones. A major
key figure in Skull & Bones was William Averall Harriman. Pamela Harriman
supplied the funds to elect Bill Clinton to office. Harriman was THE major
backer of the Democratic Party for over 50
years. Major players in Skull & Bones have been linked to the financing of
both world wars and the
creation of many think-tanks and Universities in this country. Bush's father
was a major contributor
to the "Hitler Project" as well as the build-up of the Soviet Union. Thus,
leading to the inevidable
World Wars and the eventual set-up of the United Nations in America.
I first learned about the workings of "Skull and Bones" in 1990-91 during
the Gulf War.
Craig Hulett, A.K.A. (K.C. de Pass) was in Los Angeles doing several lectures
discussing the
NEW WORLD ORDER. Here he revealed the work of ANTONY SUTTON author of a
number
of books including "Wall Street and the Bolshevic Revolution", "Wall Street
and the Rise of Hitler",
"Wall Street and FDR", "Gold v. Paper", "Energy-The Created Crisis",
"National Suicide : Military
Aid to the Soviet Union", "Technological Treason", A massive 3-Volume Set
titled "Western
Technology and Soviet Economic Development 1917-1973", (While working as a
fellow researcher
at the Hoover Institute), then came "America's Secret Establishment : An
Introduction to the Order
of Skull & Bones", in 1984 and Finally "The Two Faces of George Bush", also
about Skull &
Bones". "Secret Establishment" was a compilation of his previous materials
with a new  insight.
You see, his previous works focused on the Wall Street Bankers and several
organizations they
had founded. But, what happened was that someone who was reading his books,
said "Hey, look
at this", the research you are doing on these clowns is great, but did you
know about "Skull &
Bones"? Antony had been doing the research on these particular individuals
without knowing that
they all belonged to the same "Secret Society" at Yale. The person who made
him aware of this
was a member of "Skull & Bones" attempting to expose it for what it is.
Shortly after, Sutton
recieved a documents package containing the "Actual Membership List of Skull
& Bones" and
several other documents of the same nature. Sutton then realized that all the
key figures of his
research were actually part of this secret clan at Yale. That is when it all
came together for him.
America's Secret Establishment : An introduction to the Order of
Skull and Bones : For a review of this book or to Order Click Here!
This package of documents was sent to 3 people. Antony Sutton, Craig
Hulett, and the FBI.
The FBI didn't do anything with it. (I wonder why?), Craig Hulett researched
it and Antony Sutton
published the results of his own research.
To Order a Copy of this entire Package of Materials :
Send a postal money order for $50.00 to 2532 lincoln blvd. #135 Marina
Del Rey California 90291
Please leave the "Pay to" line blank, this enables us to pass it on without
necessarily cashing it, thereby
eliminating the need to borrow the federal reserve currency into circulation
at interest.
Main Families in Skull & Bones :
(A) Whitney Family (1635, Watertown, Mass.)
(B) Perkins Family (1631, Boston, Mass.)
(C) Phelps Family (1630, Dorchester, Mass.)
(D) Bundy Family (1635, Boston, Mass.)
(E) Taft Family (1679, Braintree, Mass.)
(F) Wadsworth Family (1632, Newton, Mass.)
(G) Lord Family (1635, Cambridge, Mass.)
(H) Gilman Family (1638, Hingham, Mass.)
(I) Harriman Family (Railroads)
(J) Rockefeller Family (Standard Oil)
(K) Payne Family (Standard Oil)
(L) Davison Family (J.P. Morgan)
(M) Weyerhaeuser Family (Lumber)
(N) Pillsbury Family (Flour Milling)
(O) Sloane Family (Retail)
(1)  A Little About the Whitneys :
InitiatedName
Field
(A) 1851Emerson Cogswell WhitneyEducation: "Died Dec. 1, 1851"
(B) 1854Edward Payson WhitneyMedicine: "Dissappeared i

[CTRL] Fwd: Ghostwriter Rides Again!






Greetings from Swiss Hell!

Due to my rapidly deteriorating physical condition, a friend is typing this
for me.

If you are receiving this message, you know that I was a ghostwriter for
many so-called "superstars", most notably John Lennon and the Beatles. Just
before the Beatles broke up, John came up with an idea to put together a
group that looked and sounded like them, but with even more musical talent,
and have them be the new "Beatles". The plan was to take songs I wrote, put
the name "Lennon & McCartney" on them as the authors and have the new
"Beatles" sub-group record the songs and go on tour, performing them. When
John asked me what I thought of this arrangement, I erected my right middle
finger in his face. (Expletive deleted). John said "That's your badfinger
you're pokin' in me eye, mate!" And I told him "Badfinger" was what he
should call his so-called "New Beatles". And he did.

Badfinger had several hits until they became too independent to act as John
Lennon's dummies. (I wish I would've become that independent around the
"Hard Day's Night" era or so, rather than wasting my life as an invisible
ghostwriter, never receiving any credit for my life's work). They went on
to become superstars on their own, until John and Paul used their massive
clout in the music industry to put a damper on their career. Eventually,
they had terrible fights with half the members wanting to play the Beatles'
stooges and the other half wanting to be on their own and independent. The
two main members of the group kept it together with replacements for those
who'd left, with concerts all over the world for many years.

Today, the lead singer and drummer are the only surviving members. They
recently agreed to back me up on a new version of my "Ghostwriter" song,
which is the title song of one of my two new CDs. Today I received a CD
containing the first mix of "Ghostwriter" with Badfinger's drummer playing
drums on it and their lead singer singing harmony with me on the choruses.
For a very limited time, you can download a RealAudio file of this
historical recording at:

http://www.williamsmusic.net/newghost.rm

To quote one of my songs which "Badfinger" sang all those years ago:

"If you want it, here it is, come and get it
Oh, oh, oh, oh, make your mind up fast
If you want it, anytime, you can have it
But you'd better hurry 'cause it may not last"





Michael Boren Williams,
Ghostwriter
http://www.williamsmusic.net

[CTRL] Fwd: Intro "Web of Gold"






Introduction
by Robin Mackness

I first met Guy Patton because he wrote to me, having read my book
"Oradour: Massacre and Aftermath" published in 1988. I had received quite a
few letters at that time from other people, and I had learnt to treat them
with caution. Some had been overtly hostile, accusing me of being
anti-Semitic, anti-French, and a few other things besides. Some had
purported to ask questions about the story, only to degenerate into open
hostility when I endeavoured to answer them. A French telephone campaign
against my wife and myself suggested we were on some sort of French
hit-list, to the extent that we felt it prudent to change address.

I mention this partly to explain why I initially treated Guy with some
circumspection, and partly to introduce the quite extraordinary fuss
provoked in France by the book, the relevance of which was about to be
revealed to me.

After a few exchanges of letters and telephone calls, I arranged to meet
Guy. It seemed he had been engaged for a number of years in the historical
research of an intriguing sequence of events and situations, which he was
convinced, amongst many other things, explained the disagreeable lengths to
which the French authorities had gone when investigating my own adventures.
I had been stopped on the autoroute near Lyon by French customs (although
about 150 miles from the border) and accused of trying to smuggle twenty
kilos of gold, some of it of Nazi provenance. What should have been a
relatively simple matter, in the heart of France, became a twenty-one-month
nightmare of imprisonment and interrogation. Guy suspected that he knew the
reason for this treatment, and the ideas he produced at our first meeting
were quite staggering. It was not very long before I saw that some areas of
his historical research that ended in question marks were explained (if not
answered) by my own first-hand experiences.

Guy's research had been original and, as such, much of it was inevitably
contentious. He was not merely serving up a rehash of well-established
history, but was attempting to rethink much of what we all took for
granted, and to establish some strands in an interpretation that was both
new and frightening. There was clearly a case for cooperating to bring
together our different parts of the same story.

The book that follows is our attempt to draw together some less obvious
strands of European and Middle Eastern history which have emerged and
developed over the past one thousand years to affect to a quite terrifying
degree a number of events happening today.

The central theme of the book starts with the well-documented theft by the
Romans of the Jewish treasure from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70. Looted
again, this time from Rome a few hundred years later, the treasure
disappeared into the Pyrenees, since which time it has never been reliably
seen again. Nevertheless we believe we can identify points in time when it
has surely been bubbling just beneath the surface, given the activities of
various individuals. Quite apart from the myths that have surrounded the
treasure (and a few other treasures that seem to have become amassed with
it), history has revealed such incidents as the French noblemen in medieval
times, accused of counterfeiting currency. It was discovered that the
counterfeit coins contained more gold than the official currency! At
another time, an alchemist claimed to have perfected the secret of
transforming base metals into golden a feat that has eluded more
sophisticated scientists. In more recent times, we have the impossible task
of accounting for the wholly disproportionate activity on the part of
Germans, including the SS, who spent years before World War II prospecting
and digging in this part of the Pyrenees. During the war there continued to
be much unexplained SS activity in the area. It has never been explained
why such units should have been deployed so far from the front line,
especially in time of crisis.

The strength of these local legends attracted serious attention long before
the days of the SS. In 1244, the Crusaders cornered the heretic Cathars on
the impressive mountaintop of Montsegur in the name of defending 'orthodox'
Christianity but probably more likely in an attempt to locate their alleged
fabulous treasure. The Cathars submitted to being burnt alive, rather than
reveal any details. It might seem unlikely that they would have willingly
gone to such an agonizing death if they had had nothing to conceal. Again,
in 1307, the French King Philip IV was envious of the vast wealth
inexplicably amassed by the Knights Templar and, in an attempt to purloin
it, he had as many Knights Templar as he could find arrested, tortured and
put to death in a fruitless attempt to discover the source and whereabouts
of their wealth.

More recently, it seems highly probable from the connections we have
uncovered that Francois Mitterrand7s presidential campaign was helped by
the French secret society, the Prio

Re: [CTRL] Hitler-ism or (NWO) New World Order is Suicidal #2

2000-02-05 Thread ThePiedPiper


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copyright 31Jan2000 and 05Feb2000 by Laura L. Lanning - Shipton
Hitler-ism or (NWO) New World Order is Suicidal 2
**Index - 2nd draft with links
Bacteria
Rendering Plants
Monsanto - Pharmacia
Conspiracy Theory [safe?]
Human Surplus?
Which Idea or Culture is right?
Dr. Joshua Lederberg
Dr. Thomas Gold and Minerals
Kosovo
Malaria Parasites and Swamps
Vegetarian
Brain Fat
Canola and the myelin sheath
Mary Unig
Udo Erasmus
John Watson
Nobel Prizes
Ants and Fungus

**To add
+ RAID (Random Array of Inexpensive Disks)
+ Honor
+ any time a major center of education was amassed, compiled, or
   put together is was destroyed, why? The educational center was
   pushed by other cultures, the children tested by the rules and morals
   of that culture to see how the other culture might be able to
   integrate the ideas or to control the desirable education.
   Killing the Goose that laid the golden egg.
+ Panda (why have we had a hard time getting the Panda to reproduce)
+ fighting in China and Russia - telling a organism or bacteria that
   there is an desirable adaptation gets it going. Problem is
   how the desirable adaptation is perceived.
+ crèche
+ What is your version of reality?

http://thepiedpiper.tripod.com/esevol2a.htm
Now for the next part
http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/esevol3.htm



Bacteria

Since it seems as if bacteria create a lot of things and can create
silver could it be that
they create some of the minerals and nutrients that we get from plants?
Thank You for the life that gave you life could be
"Thank You for the bacteria(s) that gave their lives so you might live"
in other words, plants are alive too.

To say that experiments should be done on humans like Monsanto
"MS No Nato"
seems to advocate - since it just can not seem to get the results that
it wants from just using
animals. Top


Rendering Plants

What has happened?
We no longer use all the animal, so animals go to rendering plants with
their flea collars, tags or chemicals in their bodies.
We no longer use all the plants, so they are used in animal feed with
the pesticides, herbicides and chemicals on them. Plants engineered to
use more chemicals, so they go to market and
We eat bread that has more chemicals, vegetables that have more
herbicides and many other things. Top


Monsanto - Pharmacia

Now it seems as if Monsanto is acquiring a new name

GUARDIAN (London) Friday January 28, 2000
Julia Finch
Monsanto's name radically modified "The newly merged Pharmacia
Corporation will use the names Searle, Pharmacia and Upjohn for its
three sales divisions. Only an autonomous agricultural subsidiary will
continue to use the Monsanto name."
The GUARDIAN article led to someone else coining "Pharmacia, that is:
Pharma-C.I.A. is the new name for the well known purveyors of death
previously known as Monsanto."
Top


Conspiracy Theory [safe?]

The number of medical schools to go down to what?
Baylor University in Waco, Texas is the home base University for one
medical school.
Safe kids - children cloned. Anyway controlled variations.
Safe parents - Crèches - since parents and schools seem to need to use
Ritalin or other drugs to be able to control or educate the children.
Safe education - By Virtual Reality after they take out all congregation
places Rodeos, Churches, ect.
Safe sex - By Virtual Reality (if you do not believe in commentment)
Now Why Don't I feel SAFE???
Did I mention that I believe control of the medical establishment would
have to be acquired before they could implement this?
[will flesh out this section later] Top


Human Surplus?

So, if computers will create more jobs, well they will create more
people to take down the welfare state(s) and finally acquire the
monopoly they seek!
Example: a group that say that they are a branch of the Mormons - that
advocate more than one wife; seven or more wives with 40 or more
children per man - the man believes that the more wives he has the
better chance he has to get to heaven.
another Example of multiple wives could be the Arabs - but this is their
culture at this time and they have their own way of dealing with extra
children.
Then you have China which advocates one child per family. Top


Which Idea or Culture is right?

Well, there are a lot of people and more being born every day but the
criteria also needs to take into account some other things. * we live by
the grace of bacteria which does everything from breaking down our food
for digestion, to culturing our milk for things like cheese and yogurt.
* it has been proved that some bacteria reproduce by (conjugation)
sexual means with one bacterian being both male and female and when two
meet they have to decide which one becomes pregnant. On the other hand
snails and earth worms are hermaphroditic. Then there are certain
strains of turkeys that can develop without sperm and grow to
reproducing adults. A Nobel prize was awarded to Dr. Joshua Lederberg
for finding this out. Top

Re: [CTRL] Privacy

2000-02-05 Thread Theodor Parada, MD


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Now this may seem paranoid, but all my encrypted email is being held
up or diverted by the server or other's. I've been monitoring this
and have sent blind cross copies of the entire PGP encrypted messages
and its been taking over 24 hours to receive them, if not longer.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else is having the same type
of problem.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #3

2000-02-05 Thread Ric Carter


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SkeptiNews 000205c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* No creationist fantasies were harmed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ SHATNEROIDS!
  http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~aardvark/java/Shatneroids2/Shatneroids.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Worms in Gulf of Mexico long-lived. STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) - Giant worms
  living 1,700 feet below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico have been found
  to be up to 250 years old - a record for creatures without a backbone. The
  tube worms [scientific name: Lamellibrachia] do not eat; they survive by
  absorbing energy from chemicals that seep up through cracks in the sea
  floor. They grow to lengths of 10 feet or more and party infrequently.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563886499-a9d

# CANDYMAKER TOUTS HEALTH BENEFITS OF CHOCOLATE - Snickers, M&Ms are good
  for you: http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=26496
# FISH OIL MAY BE GOOD FOR ARTERIES, PROMOTE HEALTHY HEARTS - devour more
  salmon: http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=26746
# TAXING FATTY FOODS MAY TRIM HEART DISEASE RATES - McTaxes on McFood for
  McHealth: http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=26522
# VEGETARIAN DIET IN PREGNANCY LINKED TO BIRTH DEFECT: 5x risk of defective
  penis: http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=26907

: Do you wish to live long and prosper? Would you rather absorb chemicals,
eat chocolate/fishfat/turnips, soak up good vibrations? Are you defective
due to your parents' diets? Are your kids defective due to your diet? How?

@ If Desmond Morris's mother hadn't so enjoyed vast plates of
  greasy, fatty meat, she might have lived to be 100 -- instead
  of only 99: http://www.sirc.org/articles/desmond.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# U.S. Official Concerned On N.Korea Nuke Potential, China Likely Supplier.
  WASHINGTON (Reuters) The director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency
  said he was concerned that North Korea and Iran will develop long-range
  nuclear missiles in the next several years. Give us a lot more money so we
  can blow the suckers away: http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=132214

# Nato: modernise. (BBC) Nato chief Lord Robertson says they must modernise
  its armed forces to meet the challenges of the 21st Century. More money:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/despatches/europe/newsid_631000/631972.stm

: Does your econo/politico/military conspiracy absorb vast amounts of money
preparing to wage wars that never occur? Do you promote war fears, to scare
the public into funding your lavish lifestyle? Are you successful, happy??

# Senate wants ex-CIA chief to testify - public flogging inevitable:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563903666-5ef
@ "Why strength of character is needed to lead a good life"
  http://radicalacademy.com/adlerstrengthcharacter.htm
# ECHELON - Exposing the Global Surveillance System:
  http://www.mediafilter.org/caq/CAQ59GlobalSnoop.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Paradise Lost: Can Mankind Live Without Its Utopias? Utopia may be "no
  place" (as the word's original meaning suggests), but when imagined, it is
  always some place. Just not here. It is across an ocean (like Sir Thomas
  More's noplace that was the first to be called utopia), atop a mountain
  (like H. G. Wells's) or in interstellar space (like SciFi'er Ursula K.
  LeGuin's). http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/020500utopia-library.html

@ CIA. Cannabis in Avalon came into being in early 1999 in order to spread
  Cannabis consciousness from the Heart Chakra of planet Earth. Cannabis
  is the most beneficial and versatile plant resource known to humanity.
  Through the use of Cannabis we will reverse the effects of Global
  Warming, Save the Rain Forests, feed, clothe and shelter the World's
  population entirely. http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/local/h-pages/cia/

: What's your favorite paradise? Can paradise be brought to Earth? Can/will/
should humanity be saved, fed, clothed, sheltered, nurtured? Are we better
in adversity, which builds character, challenges us to improve, evolves us?

@ Isis Unveiled: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu-hp.htm
@ Messenger From Y'HW'H Sez: http://w3.tvi.cc.nm.us/~shawnk/#Awareness
@ New Testament Gateway: http://www.bham.ac.uk/theology/goodacre/links.htm
@ Bible Study Tools: http://www.biblestudytools.net
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Evolution disclaimer extinct - State official prevents 'theory' attachment
  on science book http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/search_get?ID=441570
$ Shooting holes in Darwinism - Get the brain-dead video 'The Triumph of
  Design' https://locked.webforums.com/forums/secure.o-read/msa64.211

[CTRL] NEW BOOK BY STRIEBER & BELL AN ELOQUENT BOMBSHELL

2000-02-05 Thread DIG alfred webre


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Comments?

=
NEW BOOK BY STRIEBER & BELL AN ELOQUENT BOMBSHELL
Describes "Superstorm" That Could Start New Ice Age

 Review by Michael Lindemann

"The Coming Global Superstorm" (Pocket Books, 1999) by famed radio host Art
Bell and bestselling author Whitley Strieber is, if nothing else, a great
read. But it may be much more than that -- perhaps a prescient warning of a
most unpleasant but still preventable future. If Bell and Strieber are right,
that dark future could see the sudden death of well over a billion people,
the decimation of the environment and the virtual destruction of contemporary
human culture in a catastrophic global storm that ushers in a new ice age.

What has this kind of gloom-and-doom to do with the subject matter of CNI
News? Simply put, the inspiration for this book -- the warning itself -- came
during a bizarre encounter in a Toronto hotel room between Whitley Strieber
and a strange little man on the night of June 6, 1998. This encounter was
previously reported in CNI News (Aug 16, 1998). Strieber said then that he
was awakened in the middle of the night by a knock on the door. Thinking he
had fallen asleep while waiting for room service, he answered, only to have
the strange man walk in uninvited and begin a virtual monologue that lasted
30 minutes. Recovering from his initial shock, Strieber says, he began
furiously taking notes. When the man was finished speaking, he simply left.
Strieber awoke the next morning unsure whether he had dreamed the whole thing
-- but on his nightstand, he found a legal pad with pages and pages of notes.

"He was as real as you or me. He was a man with an enormous amount of insight
on a lot of things," Strieber says. He has no idea who the man was, and has
never met such a person before or since. But among the notes Strieber took
that night was the following:

"As the temperature of the troposphere rises, that of the stratosphere is
falling due to changes in air chemistry. At the same time, the north polar
ice is melting, reducing the salinity of the Laurentian sea. At some point,
winds crossing this sea due to the increasing difference between lower and
higher atmospheric pressures will cause the North Atlantic Current to cease
to flow so far north. The result will be a sudden expansion of polar air
southward and a massive storm that will sheet the northern half of the
Northern Hemisphere with ice. This same mechanism always triggers ice ages,
and would happen within a few thousand years no matter what. Human activity
has sped up the process. The result of this will be that the greater part of
human industry and culture, along with its most educated population, will be
destroyed in a single season. This will happen suddenly and without warning,
within a hundred years, probably much less."

 That scenario set Strieber on a quest for more information. He decided to
team with radio host Art Bell, whose recently published book "The Quickening"
addressed many environmental issues. Together, Bell and Strieber began to
piece together a picture of a possible catastrophe in the making. "The Coming
Global Superstorm" is the result.

Strieber provided CNI News with an advance copy. The book is beautifully
written -- sometimes quite breathtaking in its passion and audacity -- and
though admittedly speculative, it makes an argument that must be taken
seriously.

Strieber and Bell say that "superstorms" have very likely happened in Earth's
past and may well be the best explanation for a number of weird and
unanswered anomalies. For example, why are thousands of mammoths and other
large animals found buried in Arctic ice, still so fresh after 10,000 years
that natives have eaten the flesh? When found, it appears that these
creatures were flash-frozen as they grazed. Flowering plants are found in
their mouths and stomachs. What could cause such a thing? Science has no
answer. Strieber and Bell say a superstorm could do it.

The book is loaded with theoretical models of ocean and air currents, storm
dynamics, and possible consequences of the global warming now underway. It
revisits Earth's antiquity, seeking answers to what brought on the succession
of ice ages that began about 2.8 million years ago. It argues that another
ice age is a virtual certainty with or without human intervention -- but that
the human component in contemporary climate change could bring on a new ice
age much sooner than expected. And the trigger, Strieber and Bell say, would
likely be a superstorm -- actually a system of colossal hurricane-like storms
that engulfs the entire northern hemisphere down to about 35 degrees north
latitude, dropping temperatures over 100 degrees in hours and dumping tons of
snow and ice over everything in the storm's path. Such a storm system might
rage for weeks. When it ended, much of the world would be dead.

After reading the book, I asked Strieber if he and Bell consulted with
weather experts during

Re: [CTRL] Microwaving Water to Heat it Up

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 -Cui Bono?-

On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

>
> Suffice it to say, the chances of getting a scalding bubble
> to burst in your face after microwaving a mug of water, are
> extremely rare, indeed.  You have a better chance of having
> an asteroid land on you
>

THAT is crap!  I have PERSONALLY had this happen MANY TIMES!

It usually occurs when I inadvertently super heat black coffee or
bouillon.  I pull it out and add something to it, i.e., sugar,
milk, pepper, etc., AND WOOOSH!!

What in the world would make you think this phenomenon is rare?
THE ONLY reason I can think is that you, and most, are in a
hurry, i.e., "watching the pot for it to boil," and often stop
the oven to see if what ever it is that you are heating is
warm/hot enough yet, thus NOT ALLOWING WHAT EVER IT IS TO
SUPERHEAT.

If you set the timer for too long (i.e., longer than needed to
heat or JUST bring to a boil) and the liquid is free of
impurities to allow bubble formation for boiling, I assure you
that the phenomena IS NOT RARE!!

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[CTRL] CDU opens Pandora's box of secret acounts (fwd)


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[Remember all the early stories about Foster's secret trips to
Switzerland?  --MS]


CDU opens Pandora's box of secret accounts
By Haig Simonian in Frankfurt

Germany's embattled Christian Democratic Union (CDU) on Friday
admitted it had operated an extraordinary web of secret onshore
and offshore accounts, run in parallel to its official finances,
for three decades.

Releasing statements from two of the key people who managed its
financial affairs since the 1970s, the party opened a Pandora's
box of secret accounts, safe deposit boxes in Switzerland and
million D-Mark payments made via the intelligence services to
political parties in Spain and Portugal.

The revelations put the spotlight back on Helmut Kohl, the former
chancellor and CDU chairman who late last year plunged the party
into crisis when he admitted he had received "up to DM2m"
(£619,000) in undeclared donations. Mr Kohl has refused to
disclose the source of the donations.

The new disclosures provided unprecedented detail of the system
of secret party funding that has emerged gradually since last
November. "We have broken the cartel of silence but unfortunately
there are still some contradictions," said Angela Merkel, the CDU
general secretary.

The details follow meetings between CDU leaders and Horst
Weyrauch and Uwe Lüthje, two of the party's key functionaries.

At a news conference on Friday it was revealed that the CDU held
accounts in Switzerland to handle undeclared contributions. Much
of the money stemmed from funds collected by German
industrialists since the 1950s and subsequently declared illegal
by the Constitutional Court.

Up to DM6m may have come from Siemens, the engineering group, and
an unspecified amount from Leo Kirch, the German media magnate.
However, Siemens cast doubt on the claim and the Kirch group
denied making any payments.

Wolfgang Schäuble, Mr Kohl's successor as CDU chairman, said the
CDU was handing all its information to public prosecutors in
Bonn, who are investigating the funding scandal.

He said the party had contacted UBS, the Swiss bank where its
safe deposit box and some accounts were held, to obtain details
of the amounts and the precise flows between Switzerland and
Germany.

Friday's information represented a further attempt by Mr Schäuble
to present himself as the man to lead the party's clean-up
campaign.

But the information will increase the financial pressure on the
CDU, already facing potentially big penalties under Germany's
generous-but-strict state funding system.

Wolfgang Thierse, the president of the Bundestag - the lower
house of Parliament, which administers the scheme - must decide
by the middle of this month whether to unlock the next tranche of
state funding due to the CDU and resolve the highly contentious
issue of penalties.



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[CTRL] [endsecrecy] Clinton Reaffirms Area 51 Must Remain Classified


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Subject: [endsecrecy] Clinton Reaffirms Area 51 Must Remain Classified
Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:15 PM

Courtesy Morgan Clements
World Wide UFO Reporting Center
http://www.ufosightings.net

Wednesday, February 02, 2000
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Clinton Reaffirms Area 51 Must Remain Classified Information
By Christine Dorsey
Donrey Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- President Clinton informed Congress on Tuesday he will
continue to keep classified all information about Air Force activities at a
secret base near Groom Lake.

 "Information concerning activities at the operating location near Groom
Lake has been properly determined to be classified, and its disclosure would
be harmful to national security," Clinton wrote regarding a presidential
determination he issued last Sept. 20.

The president annually has signed a similar document declaring
information about the base -- known as Area 51 -- to be a secret.

A Washington attorney said the timing of the president's letter was
tied to litigation pressed by former workers trying to free information to
support their claims they were exposed to toxic fumes at the base.

Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor who has
represented the families, said Tuesday was the deadline for the government
to
turn over a transcript of a sealed hearing that could show whether
government
officials lied publicly about the case.

"Today, the military was supposed to give (U.S. District) Judge
(Philip) Pro the transcript of a very important sealed hearing," Turley
said.

He said the transcript will reveal what he terms an unclassified
discussion in which government attorneys requested information about
reporters who had talked to the workers at Area 51, as well as classified
manuals about the base that have been widely available on the Internet.
Turley said that after the hearing, government attorneys claimed they never
asked for such information.

"That transcript will show which one of us was lying," said Turley.
"Obviously, I can promise you, when the transcript appears, you're going to
find the government lied, and then I'm just going to leave it up to the
media
on what to do."

Turley said Clinton's letter to Congress on Tuesday merely reaffirms
the government's position that releasing information about Area 51 would
threaten national security, on the day the judge is receiving a transcript
in
the case.

"They (government attorneys) are still uncomfortable with releasing
this transcript because of the public embarrassment, so they're still making
ridiculous security claims, and the presidential determination helps them do
that," said Turley.

The White House referred questions about Clinton's letter to the
National Security Council, which did not respond late Tuesday.

The workers and their families have been trying for more than six years
to compel the government to admit Area 51 exists and that illegal dumping of
hazardous materials occurred there.





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[CTRL] [MC] Mind Control & Abduction Reports?

2000-02-05 Thread DIG alfred webre


 Hi All -  Below is a research summary of major reports of alien
 abductions as a possible Mind Control phenomenon. There seem to be
 various major schools of thought about abductions, all of which revolve
 around Mind Control:

 1. MILAB school - Abduction reports are psyops disinformation, created
 by unethical hypnosis and other mind control technology by covert human
 agencies, for political control purposes.

 2. Jacobs/Mack School-Alien abduction reports are real, created by
 an organized civilization of alien beings which is genetically taking
 over mankind, and which uses advanced Mind Control to aid
 its takeover.

 3. Vallee school - A variation holds the beings are friendly, eg a
 recent book by a former LA Times editor. Vallee school holds that an
 inter-dimensional Intelligence is mind-contolling humanity by
 phenomena including abductions.

 My own feelings are that Alien abduction reports are largely human Mind
 Control artefacts.  What do researchers on this list feel about Mind
 Control and reports of Alien Abductions?  Do you have any theories,
 research, thoughts you's like to share? Please don't hold back; I know
 you are out there.;)

 Thanks, Alfred

 ps-Two other "extraterrestrial" research fields, SETI and UFOs (hardware
 research), have a separate and unrelated research base, and they are not
 the subject of this post.  This post is a Mind Control issue, not an ET
 issue.

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 UFO ABDUCTION AND CONTACTEE MESSAGES - AN ANALYSIS

 http://www.wj.net/wguimb/abdanal.html

 Hundreds of thousands of people in many parts of the world are claiming
 they are encountering UFO entities in one way or
 another. They have had what is called an "Close Encounter of the Third
 or Fourth Kind", a term used by ufologist J. Allen
 Hynek. There is also growing public interest in this phenomena due to
 media attention. Some CONTACTEES AND
 ABDUCTEES ...as well as some claiming to be channelling ET's or
 establishing contact through remote veiwing are being
 revealed the following kinds of information:

 - We are not alone in the Universe. We are told - this earth has been
 visited many times in the past and presently by different
 types of extra-terrestrials. These ET's have been involved with our
 creation, evolution, religions, myths, beliefs, etc.

 - Some contactees are being told that humans are the consequence of ET
 encounters with earlier forms of man. Without this
 contact man never would have evolved to the point we have. Rael, the
 chosen prophet and messiah of the Raelian movement
 was told as as contactee, that mankind was created by a group of ET's
 called the Elohim using advanced genetic engineering in
 laboratories 4. Others who believe in the messages of the Pleiadians are
 told, that the Pleiadian ancestors were some of the
 Original Planners of Earth who seeded this and other worlds.12 What ever
 the explanation we are told ET's are involved with
 our evolution and creation.

 - Some contactees are being told that: "Humankind stands now in the
 transitional period before the dawn of a New Age. (With
 peace, love and understanding, the people of Earth will see a great new
 era begin to dawn.) The Space Beings are here to
 teach, to help awaken the human spirit, to help humankind rise to higher
 levels of vibration so that the people of Earth may be
 ready to enter new dimensions. 1. We are poised for a quantum leap
 forward on both the biological and spiritual levels. The
 human soul will evolve.

 - "If the Earthlings should not raise their vibratory rate within a set
 period of time, severe earth changes and major cataclysms
 will take place.
 (Such disasters will not end the world, but shall serve as cataclysmic
 crucibles to burn off the dross of unreceptive humanity.
 Those who die in such dreadful purgings will be allowed to reincarnate
 on higher levels of development so that their salvation
 will be more readily accomplished through higher teachings on a higher
 vibratory level.)" 2

 - Others are being told that the receptive or chosen will be saved by
 benign ET's and their ships when these disasters take
 place. Some like the Raelians are told they will experience some kind of
 eternal existance through further genetic engineering ie.
 cloning.

 - A major leap in consciousness and evolution is about to take place:
 Crop circles, UFO sightings and contactee and abductee
 experiences are preparing those who are receptive of these changes.
 Events such as the Harmonic Convergence are lifting the
 veil so the Higher Galactic intelligences of the universe will be able
 to channel their energies and influences to facillitate the shift
 towards a New Age.12

 - Evidence for these claims are: the many abductee and contactee
 experiences with similar stories and messages, physical scars,
 hybrid babies, recognition of some kind of symbolic or hieroglyphic
 language etc. There seems to be according to researchers
 increasing cases worldwide of UFO sigh

[CTRL] Flight 261

2000-02-05 Thread William Shannon


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Alaska Airlines Flight 261 Crash:  January 31, 2000
4:36 pm PST  MD-83 Alaska Airlines Flight 261 - on a flight from Puerto
Vallarta,
 Jalisco Mexico to San Francisco, California USA - crashed 12 miles off shore
(near Point Mugu, CA ..
See MAP

   Photo of Aircraft N963AS


1. Former Doyon president Morris Thompson, his wife, Thelma, and their
daughter  were also among the 83 passengers and five crewmembers onboard.
Thompson, 61,  recently retired as head of the Interior regional Native
corporation. He was at the helm of Doyon since 1985. With the land
entitlement of 12.5 million acres, Doyon is the largest private landowner in
North America. The Navy's original and "SUPPOSEDLY" still primary HAARP
transmitter site in Gakona, Alaska sits RIGHT on the edge of Doyon land
holdings. It is irrefutable, hard-wired and FULLY documented fact that the
Navy is seeking to implement a massive expansion of the size of their Gakona
transmitter site: AND, is also seeking to implement an astronomical INCREASE
in the power of transmitted signals--in the range of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF
WATTS--at ALL the Navy's HAARP transmitter sites, locations which are for the
most part secret. [ Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:59:04]
2.  The Navy was launching several boat-to-air missiles EXACTLY at this
time(4:25-4:40). They were off the coast of the Ventura Harbor. See link.
Jeff Rense, who resides nearby the area of the crash, received a email report
from an engineer who drives the 101 through the area every day that the Navy
was firing (presumably live) boat-to-air missiles during the exact time frame
when the jet went down. The text of the email to Jeff (thanks) is as follows:

From: (name on file)
To: Jeff Rense
Subject: MD-83 Crash off of the Ventura Coast
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 06:56:37 GMT

I am an engineer who drives from xxx to Thousand Oaks every day. I drive home
from TO towards Ventura every M-F at 4:00.

I saw the aftermath of the plane getting hit.

The Navy was launching several boat-to-air missiles EXACTLY at this
time(4:25-4:40). They were off the coast of the Ventura Harbor. (Much further
North than usual for this activity...which I've witnessed in the past.)

I am sure many, many, many people had to have seen these launchings (I could
not POSSIBLY be the only person on the Northbound 101 to have noticed this. I
saw the weird rainbow effect of (rocket propellent?) that is usually present
after (Pt). Mugu testing in the sky.

I did not learn of the crash until getting home and listening to the radio
for a few minutes. I honestly believe that this plane was accidentally shot
down by Naval Warfare Testing.

I have also been taking photos of contrail/chemtrail activity in Ventura
since Christmas. I ALSO have photos of PT Mugu testing only a couple of weeks
ago. I think it would be prudent to try to gather witnesses who saw these
launches. No one can fight this alone.

I swear that all of the above is true and factual. I think these statements
can be proven if you do a little research.

(name on file)


A Second Message:

>From : (name on file)
To: Jeff Rense
Subject: Flight 261
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000

I was present at Point Magu Naval Air Station in the spring of 1987 when a
surface to air missile intended to hit a drone F-4 missed and wizzed passed a
commercial B-727 by less than 1000ft. I was in the base commanders office
when the shit hit the fan, spin controll went into play
and the near hit was brushed under the rug. Today, I am a Pilot.



3. The crash occurred in the vicinity of Point Magu Naval Station, a KNOWN
Navy research and development center for EM warfare technologies. The pilots
of Fl. 261--apparently by this scenario "criminally incompetent half-wits
dispossessed of even the
most basic survival instincts common to all living creatures"--requested and
RECEIVED permission to turn their then clearly unmanageable aircraft AROUND
and fly south over 40 miles to land, utterly disregarding the clearly visible
airstrips at Pt. Mugu only a couple of minutes away. In addition, there are
airport facilities in the nearby communities of Camarillo, Oxnard and Ventura
at which an emergency landing could have certainly been undertaken. [Wed, 02
Feb 2000 18:13:47]
4. In terms of esoteric numerology, the flight number 261= 2+6+1= 9 = 3x3.
5. Why an airline with such an exceptionally good safety record is NOW all of
a sudden being investigated both for their
firing of 3 Alaska Air mechanics at Oakland Airport  AND, by a San Francisco
grand jury, for deficiencies in aircraft maintenance. Almost like the airline
was getting set up ahead of time to make a mechanical failure problem with
Flight 261 seem more plausible...
6. There seems to be a conflict relative to the exact time the Cockpit Voice
Recorder (CVR) was recovered.   There was a briefing by the Department of
Defense, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, Public Affairs, at
1:38 PM EST on February 1, conducted by Mr.

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2

2000-02-05 Thread Ric Carter


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SkeptiNews 000205b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* No five-toed dragons were harmed during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Oni Demons! Flee! Aiiee! http://www.pasar5.com/NOH_MASK/oni/onimas_e.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GOD TO SPEAK TO IRAQIS. A hush falls over Baghdad as a huge shimmering
  face materialises in the sky. Soldiers & citizens prostrate themselves as
  each hears the voice of Allah, commanding them to overthrow treacherous,
  evil Saddam Hussein. Within minutes an angry mob storms the palace, guards
  flee ... This highly imaginative scenario was proposed by USAF planners
  for a bloodless victory in the Gulf conflict. The idea of putting words in
  God's mouth is not new. In the 2nd century CE Lucian described a statue of
  the god Aesculapius that spoke to believers, aided by a hidden priest with
  a speaking tube. http://www.smh.com.au/news/0002/05/world/world17.html

: Have your deities spoken to you lately? Are you sure they were your gods?
Could they be impersonated? Could all divine voices be impersonated? Have
you impersonated any deities lately? Is it fulfilling, tiring, sexy, needed?

@ Allah is All-Knowing: http://www.enteract.com/~jwalz/Eliade/041.html
@ Allah is First & Last: http://www.enteract.com/~jwalz/Eliade/042.html
@ Allah is Light: http://www.enteract.com/~jwalz/Eliade/043.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BigBugs 1999: http://zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2413514,00.html
# Hackers Find Easy Target In Japanese Web Sites. "Welcome, Japan, to the
  world of cyberwar." How does it take for easy targets to harden, bristle?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/02/152l-020200-idx.html

# Congress mulls ban on new Web taxes, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563869059-ba9
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563888463-f5d
# FCC chief pushes wireless Internet, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563873214-bc3

: Would you rather attack the Net via virus/worms, taxes, rumors, technical
difficulties? Does the Net threaten your way of life? Would you like to kill
the Net, all Netizens, all humans, all life? Are we all parasites? Are you?

# Japan cult sites searched. TOKYO (AP) Cops used new powers to intensify
  their crackdown on the Aum cult, staging raids on five of the group's
  properties. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563903365-817
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Iran clerics back minister's death. QOM, Iran (AP) - Thousands of Iranian
  clerics called for the execution of moderate Culture Minister Ataollah
  Mohajerani, saying his agency's relaxed stance toward the media allowed a
  senior cleric to be insulted. "Death to Mohajerani," about 4,000 clerics
  chanted in a protest in the holy city of Qom. The clerics are angry over
  the recent publication of a cartoon in the reformist daily Azad depicting
  Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah Yazdi, a hard-line cleric, as a crocodile.
  In Muslim cultures, crocodiles are associated with treachery & deception.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563899751-5a4

: Does your belief system dictate violence toward dissidents? Should all who
disagree with you die? Have you executed any dissidents lately? Is this the
best way to ensure orthodoxy? What's y'r favorite doxy? Are you crocodilian?

@ Islamic Thought: http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/isl/thought.html
@ Life of Muhammad: http://fordham.edu/halsall/source/muhammadi-sira.html
@ Muhammad's Last Sermon: http://fordham.edu/halsall/source/muhm-sermon.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Dawn of the dragon. (BBC) Chinese people across the world celebrate the
  start of the lunar new year with fireworks, dragon dances and parades.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_632000/632099.stm

# China prepares for Year of Dragon - streets of Beijing eerily quiet:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563896950-7dc
# Indonesia Chinese mark Dragon year - fireworks scare off evil spirits:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2563903762-46b
# Britain welcomes year of dragon - fish & chips with soy sauce:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_631000/631940.stm
# Picture gallery: Enter the golden dragon - watch for droppings:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_632000/632107.stm
# Falun Gong arrests in Tiananmen Square - the start of another fun year:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_631000/631793.stm

# BEIJING POLICE STOMP CULTISTS AT START OF CHINESE NEW YEAR. Police beat &
  kicked Falun Gong members at a Tiananmen Square demo marking the Year of
  the Dragon: http://CNN.com/20

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PINE RIDGE ASSESSMENT:  A WARNING TO TYRANTS!
A GREAT INSIGHT.ON PINE RIDGE OCCUPATION
From:  Tim (Timberwolf) Jordan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Date:   1/22/2000 9:52:07 PM Eastern Standard Time

Dear Friends and Patriots:

Below is a good letter from a good friend...and a friend of the native
peoples.  I agree 100%. May the Creator bless the peoples of the Oglala
nation and protect them in this inter-tribal crisis.  I pray with them...and
I continue to watch closely. By the way...for you who may not know...AIM
stands for the "American Indian Movement."  It was founded back in the
sixties, and the organization was the one at Wounded Knee when Leonard
Peltier was framed for killing Fed agents.  I support, for the most part, the
ideals in which AIM was founded.  There is a lot of disinformation about them
( surprise...surprise...) and they too, have been demonized by the
main-stream media and the government.  Sound familiar?  You what else?  We
are just now beginning to get what the American Indian has been getting for
over 200 years.   Welcome to the clubor should I say "Tribe?"

TimberWolf
==

PINE RIDGE ASSESSMENT:  A WARNING TO TYRANTS!
by Norm Olson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Date:   00-01-19 09:51:26 EST

Across America patriots watch and wonder whether federal troops will again
ride against the red man.  Should that happen, the white man and the red man
shall rise.   Already the war drums begin to sound and the council fires
brighten the sky, sending
the smoke of freedom's sacrifice to our Heavenly Father.

Patriots: Stop to Listen to what is happening in South Dakota, taking pause
to wonder if another Wounded Knee massacre is about to commence.

Federal attack requires federal response from across the land.  Federal
soldiers of the FBI are to be warned that their  brutality, once again begun,
will not be allowed to be concluded on their terms.

The business in SD is a tribal matter and the sovereignty of the tribal
governments must be recognized.Beyond that, it may be a 10th Amendment
state matter for the  people of SD to settle.  But if the tribal native
people of this land are to be free, they must cast off the bonds that tie
them to the federal government.  They must express in more than words, their
desire to be free and to rule their sovereign nations themselves.

I am troubled that appointed agents from Washington have been given the
fiscal management of this group.  Elders must rule and the councils of the
people must decide the business of the tribe. It is so sad that years of
abuse and mis-management have retarded the growth of tribal sovereignty over
the federal regime.
What the BIA did in years past is continuing today.  The native Americans in
SD are beginning to exercise their liberty.  We should all applaud their
spirit as we thank our Great God, Jesus Christ, for their sacrifice.

I pray that the matter will be settled in justice and mercy and that all of
the people will find that the sacred bond is spiritual,  allowing brother to
greet brother in love and unity.

Norm Olson
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[CTRL] traffic cam URLs

2000-02-05 Thread nessie


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http://gucki.netcologne.net


This one's in Cologne.  I have a German friend who is living here in San
Francisco. I showed her the Cologne camera URL. She  said she didn't know
anybody in Cologne, but if there was such an URL for the cameras in
Berlin, she could arrange to be watching a particular intersection at a
certain time and her friends could come to the intersection and wave to
her.

Then it suddenly occured to me that there are URLs like that  for many
cities, all over the globe. If any of you know any of them, please forward
them to me. I want to put together a collection. Thanks in advance.

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Re: [CTRL] Judge says gay [homo] school club can meet.

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June, If there are heterosexuals in the Homo Club, then they must have
been recruited by the homos.  Bet you a dinner at a gay (homo)
restaurant that those alleged heteros in the club came from a
dysfunctional family environment.
Remember, homos cannot procreate;  they must recruit.
Bard

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[CTRL] TEDs

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'(a new knid of High Power Microwave weapon) . . Transient Electromagnetic
Devices (TED) that could, in the hands of enemies, criminals, pranksters,
or terrorists pose a significant threat to much of the United States
infrastructure components that are based on micro-circuits and computer or
micro-processor control. This includes financial institutions, aircraft,
security, medical, automotive, and other critical equipment used everyday
in our society. The systems necessary for the production of this form of
energy are much easier to construct and use than the earlier and more well
known conventional HPM narrow-band systems that are currently in
development for military use.

(snip)

In a narrow-band HPM device, high technology vacuum tubes are used that
are, in some ways, very similar to those used in our highest-powered TV or
FM stations and radar systems. They are very delicate devices, are
complex, and very expensive. They require large amounts of primary power
and
generally require some type of cooling system, either air blowers or
liquid types. All of this complexity requires complex engineering and
development, and the manufacturing time is great and costly. Not for the
amateur or a low-cost, start-up operation. Generally a highly skilled team
of various technical experts of numerous engineering specialties is
required to manage the development and operation of such devices.

TEDs, on the other hand, are relatively simple devices that generally use
simple spark-gap switches, either in oil or in pressurized gas pulse
storage
lines. The power supplies are relatively small in size and much lower in
average power and cost than for the NB systems. The engineering and
mechanical issues are small in comparison to the narrow-band devices. The
technology is well described in the various professional Pulse Power
references found in good technical libraries. The significant development,
engineering, and manufacturing costs are small in comparison to narrow
band. Most of the technology required is available and is an outcrop of
the various nuclear and flash x-ray work done in the past.

NB systems operate at some given frequency with a small bandwidth, and you
will find them at one spot on the radio dial. The TEDs do not even have a
definable frequency but instead, because of their short time duration,
they occupy a very large spectrum space, and you will find it everywhere
on every
radio dial. When a TED pulse is generated it will have the ability to
excite responses in systems designed to receive at any frequency from as
low as 100 MHz up to several GHz, from the FM band up to the lower
microwave bands. A NB system would excite only those systems that were
operating at its frequency, say 2.345 GHz, so a narrow band system must be
"tuned" to a given target's known soft spot but a TED system would go
after any soft spot of the target platform, back-door or front door.

So what is the bottom line of this discussion?

Because of the simplicity of TED systems and the suspicion that they may
cause disruptive effects to electronic systems that they are aimed at, they
make an attractive approach for RF terrorists to use for various purposes.
We see hints of this vulnerability in the many warnings that we get each
month about locations where we should not use radios and electronic
devices for fear that we will do some damage to something. They make
passengers on aircraft, during take off and landing, turn off radios,
games, and other electronic devices. Hospitals regularly place signs that
electronic devices are not allowed. Many people do not want you using your
cellular telephones near their computer. Many repair shops require that
wrist-bands attached to ground be used when opening electronic equipment
for repair. We have a lot of things out there in the world that either
have known or suspected vulnerabilities to RF fields or electrostatic
discharge. A TED system provides both of these conditions, an RF
electrostatic discharge nature and its output (the number of pulses per
second) can be adjusted for maximum disruptive effect. Its peak power
output can be made much higher than those fields ordinarily found in
everyday systems like cellular radios, radar systems, TV and FM stations,
and simple ESD effects.

It clearly appears, based on testing that has been done as well the
information presented at unclassified technical papers and conferences,
that the TED would make a good terrorist RF weapon and that, with the
proliferation of high technology infrastructure systems that are integral
to everyday life in our country, we would be very vulnerable to such
systems. It is also clear, because of the extreme cost of repairing all of
the vulnerable systems, that until this vulnerability was shown, no one
would have much concern or interest in it."


 -- Mr. David Schriner, before the Joint Economic Committee,  United
States Congress,  Wednesday, February 25, 1998,

Re: [CTRL] Austrian 'crisis'

2000-02-05 Thread Damian B. Cooper

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At 09:21 AM 2/5/00 -0800, Ynr Chyldz Wyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

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>
>
>
>
>THE GUARDIAN
>
>Riots as Austria's crisis deepens
>

>
>In a letter to the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal centre, which tracks
>down
>Nazi war criminals, Mr Klestil insisted he had no choice but to appoint the
>coalition, whose members had won a majority in the lower house.
>

Utterly preposterous!

The constitutional leader of a "Western Democracy" has to account to the
Simon Wiesenthal centre for the composition of his country's government!!

"Memo to Wiesenthal:

Stick it up your ass.  And, by the way, tell your fellow Jewish chauvinist
and sock puppet
Madelaine Halfbright to  return the artworks IN HER POSSESSION that were
looted
from Austrian private citizens during World War II by the so-called "Allies".

SIgned,

Citizens of the Sovereign Nation of Austria"

DBC

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-02-05 Thread Ric Carter


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SkeptiNews 000205a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* No exogenous lifeforms were hunted to extinction to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ yeti@home project: http://www.phobe.com/yeti/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Out of body - not out of mind - NDEs often happen on the operating table.
  (BBC) People who report near death experiences are undergoing a normal
  psychological response to intense stress, say researchers. Not psychotic:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_629000/629984.stm

# Big Canada Pol Resigns After NDE. EDMONTON. (CBC) Pam Barrett, leader of
  Alberta's New Democratic Party, decided to quit her job because of what
  she calls a near-death experience in a dentist's chair. Resigned party
  and legislative positions: http://www.sightings.com/politics6/lrd.htm

: Have you had a NDE lately? Was it transformitive, stimulating, odd? Should
all politicos have NDEs? Why stop at 'near'? Can NDEs be generated by proper
use of drugs, yoga, meditation, pistols, baseball bats? What's y'r favorite?

# Life after near death - More people are now brought back from the brink:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_629000/629710.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ UFOs & Extra Terrestrial Life. "UFOs exist and have always existed. You
  must only view the Nazca Lines in Peru as proof. No amount of Government
  denial will change my beliefs." Dr.Heather Anne Harder for President 2000.
  As the Federal Govt continues to deny the existence of other worldly life
  forms, the US people only lose trust in Federal govt. The truth is, the
  knowledge that we are not alone is buried deep within our cellular memory.
  We already know the truth. http://www.harder2000.com/noframes/ufo.htm

: Who's your favorite presidential candidate? Do they have a position paper
on UFOs? Why not? Are they a tool of Reptoids? Are major political parties
havens of alien mind-controllers? Would your rather vote for a free human,
an alien pawn, a raving lunatic, a robot, me? What's your cell memory say?

# Major TV Station Joins Jose Escamilla In Search For 'RODS' Have you seen
  UFOs over the skies of San Diego? They're called "Rods" or "Skyfish." Some
  say they're cryptic creatures that swim through our skies. No one has ever
  found a dead one or brought one back alive. The only way to see them is on
  videotape played back frame by frame. http://sightings.com/ufo6/rodstv.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Iceland sells its genetic history. (BBC) The Icelandic government has
  handed over the medical records, family trees and genetic information
  of every person in the country', provoking a serious backlash.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_63/630961.stm

@ Links - deCODE genetics: http://www.decode.is/newsroom/index.html
@ Map the Icelandic genome: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/biotech/iceland/

: Have you sold your genome lately? Did you get a good price? What are you
worth? What am I worth? Would you like to buy my genome? Can we make a deal?
Should human genomes be sold to humans [capitalists, communists, atheists],
aliens [Reptilioids, Zeta Reticulans, EvaBorgs]?? Are trade secrets at risk?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Satanic Bagpuss! Verily, the first sign of the Apocalypse. Forsooth,
   it
  has been written Satan will known as a silly old bagpuss from NORFOLK
  WITH THREE -- COUNT 'EM -- THREE TESTICLES!! You have been warned! And
  
  According to Nasa the Hubble is Space Telescope is powered by THREE --
  COUNT 'EM -- THREE TESTICLES -- I mean 3 Intel 486 Processors!
  [ from http://visionthing.editthispage.com/ ]

: What are the optimum number of power centers for complex systems? Does it
vary between systems? How many power/control/thought centers do you have? Is
that enough? D'ya need more, less, all, none? What upgrades would you like??

@ StarTrek is SatanTrek - Capt. Janeway is Satan's Whore:
  http://members.tripod.com/~tzimisce69/satantrek.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Fears for Karmapa's black hat. (BBC) Buddhist monks in the N. Indian state
  of Sikkim called for an independent commission to ensure that artefacts
  belonging to a Tibetan monk, the Karmapa Lama, are still intact. The monks
  say there is a danger that the famous black hat, traditionally worn by the
  Karmapa Lama as a ceremonial crown, and other belongings, have either been
  removed from or destroyed in the monastery where they are kept. Blasphemy.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_63/630997.stm

: What's your favorite holy relic? Have you stolen/de

Re: [CTRL] Union Bank of Switzerland--Kohl

2000-02-05 Thread Linda Minor


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I forgot to add the excerpt about Bush:

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

...So what did Junior do for all this money? It's hard to say exactly, but
things happened for Harken after Junior came on board:
it got a $25 million stock offering from an unusual bank with CIA ties,
it won a surprise exclusive drilling contract with Bahrain, a small Mideast
country, and
an Arab member of its Board of Directors was invited to White House policy
meetings with President George Bush and National Security Adviser Brent
Scowcroft.


Easy Money From Odd Sources
The firm's $25 million stock offering was underwritten by Stephens, Inc., an
Arkansas bank whose head, Jackson Stephens, was on President Bush's "Team
100." (That was a group of 249 rich persons who gave at least $100,000 each
to his presidential campaign committee). Stephens placed the offering with
the London subsidiary of Union Bank of Switzerland, which (according to the
Wall Street Journal) was not known as an investor in small American
companies.

Union Bank did have other connections; it was a joint-venture partner with
the notorious BCCI in a Geneva-based bank, and was involved in a scandal
surrounding the Nugan Hand Bank, a CIA operation in Australia whose
executives were advised by William Quasha, the father of Harken's chairman
(Alan Quasha.) Union Bank was also involved in scandals surrounding
Panamanian money laundering by BCCI, and Ferdinand Marcos' movement of 325
tons of gold out of the Phillipines.

That wasn't the only financing connection Junior brought; after the company
won its Bahrain deal (see next item), the billionaire Bass brothers of Texas
offered to underwrite the drilling operation. Robert Bass is also a member
of Bush's Team 100, and he and his kin gave $226,000 to Bush Senior between
1988 and 1992



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From: Linda Minor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 11:12 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Union Bank of Switzerland--Kohl


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> -Cui Bono?-
>
>Interesting to note in the article about Kohl, that the political party's
>money was held in an account funded by German industrialists in the 1950's
>in the Union Bank of Switzerland.  See the connections with Dubya's
>financing and also the Bank of Boston money laundering in the 80's.  Also
>Pete Brewton traced proceeds from some of the looted S&Ls of the 80's into
>an Isle of Jersey (UK) branch of "an obscure Swiss Bank, Bank Cantrade
>Switzerland, (C.I.), Ltd., a subsidiary of Union Bank of Switzerland.
>[footnote--Jack Anderson, December 1986]
>
>"Bank Cantrade is one of the banks the CIA used to launder funds for arms
>purchases, according to Robert Maxwell, a former Maryland banker who worked
>on moving money around for a CIA front, Associated Traders.  Maxwell, who
>was an officer at First National Bank of Maryland, has alleged that he was
>told by an official at Associated Traders in December 1984 to transfer
>approximately $5.4 million to Bank Cantrade.  The money went from a CIA
>account in the Cayman Islands to Banco Sudameris in Panama to Union Bank of
>Switzerland and then on to Bank Cantrade. [footnote--Associated Press, June
>7, 1992]."
>
>[Above excerpt from Mafia, CIA and George Bush, p. 352]
>
>from:
>http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
>Click Here: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J.
Orlin
>Grabbe
>-
>Hackers vs. Politicians
>The Web of Secret Political Accounts in Germany
>
>>Releasing statements from two of the key people who managed its financial
>>affairs since the 1970s, the party opened a Pandora's box of secret
>accounts,
>>safe deposit boxes in Switzerland and million D-Mark payments made via the
>>intelligence services to political parties in Spain and Portugal.
>>
>>The revelations put the spotlight back on Helmut Kohl, the former
>chancellor
>>and CDU chairman who late last year plunged the party into crisis when he
>>admitted he had received "up to DM2m" (£619,000) in undeclared donations.
>Mr
>>Kohl has refused to disclose the source of the donations.
>>
>>The new disclosures provided unprecedented detail of the system of secret
>>party funding that has emerged gradually since last November. "We have
>broken
>>the cartel of silence but unfortunately there are still some
>contradictions,"
>>said Angela Merkel, the CDU general secretary.
>>
>>The details follow meetings between CDU leaders and Horst Weyrauch and Uwe
>>Lüthje, two of the party's key functionaries.
>>
>>At a news conference on Friday it was revealed that the CDU held accounts
>in
>>Switzerland to handle undeclared contributions. Much of the money stemmed
>>from funds collected by German industrialists since the 1950s and
>>subsequently declared illegal by the Constitutional Court.
>>
>>Up to DM6m may have come from Siemens, the engineering group, and an
>>unspecified amount from Leo Kirch, the German media

[CTRL] Union Bank of Switzerland--Kohl

2000-02-05 Thread Linda Minor


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Interesting to note in the article about Kohl, that the political party's
money was held in an account funded by German industrialists in the 1950's
in the Union Bank of Switzerland.  See the connections with Dubya's
financing and also the Bank of Boston money laundering in the 80's.  Also
Pete Brewton traced proceeds from some of the looted S&Ls of the 80's into
an Isle of Jersey (UK) branch of "an obscure Swiss Bank, Bank Cantrade
Switzerland, (C.I.), Ltd., a subsidiary of Union Bank of Switzerland.
[footnote--Jack Anderson, December 1986]

"Bank Cantrade is one of the banks the CIA used to launder funds for arms
purchases, according to Robert Maxwell, a former Maryland banker who worked
on moving money around for a CIA front, Associated Traders.  Maxwell, who
was an officer at First National Bank of Maryland, has alleged that he was
told by an official at Associated Traders in December 1984 to transfer
approximately $5.4 million to Bank Cantrade.  The money went from a CIA
account in the Cayman Islands to Banco Sudameris in Panama to Union Bank of
Switzerland and then on to Bank Cantrade. [footnote--Associated Press, June
7, 1992]."

[Above excerpt from Mafia, CIA and George Bush, p. 352]

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe
-
Hackers vs. Politicians
The Web of Secret Political Accounts in Germany

>Releasing statements from two of the key people who managed its financial
>affairs since the 1970s, the party opened a Pandora's box of secret
accounts,
>safe deposit boxes in Switzerland and million D-Mark payments made via the
>intelligence services to political parties in Spain and Portugal.
>
>The revelations put the spotlight back on Helmut Kohl, the former
chancellor
>and CDU chairman who late last year plunged the party into crisis when he
>admitted he had received "up to DM2m" (£619,000) in undeclared donations.
Mr
>Kohl has refused to disclose the source of the donations.
>
>The new disclosures provided unprecedented detail of the system of secret
>party funding that has emerged gradually since last November. "We have
broken
>the cartel of silence but unfortunately there are still some
contradictions,"
>said Angela Merkel, the CDU general secretary.
>
>The details follow meetings between CDU leaders and Horst Weyrauch and Uwe
>Lüthje, two of the party's key functionaries.
>
>At a news conference on Friday it was revealed that the CDU held accounts
in
>Switzerland to handle undeclared contributions. Much of the money stemmed
>from funds collected by German industrialists since the 1950s and
>subsequently declared illegal by the Constitutional Court.
>
>Up to DM6m may have come from Siemens, the engineering group, and an
>unspecified amount from Leo Kirch, the German media magnate. However,
Siemens
>cast doubt on the claim and the Kirch group denied making any payments.
>
>Wolfgang Schäuble, Mr Kohl's successor as CDU chairman, said the CDU was
>handing all its information to public prosecutors in Bonn, who are
>investigating the funding scandal.
>
>He said the party had contacted UBS, the Swiss bank where its safe deposit
>box and some accounts were held, to obtain details of the amounts and the
>precise flows between Switzerland and Germany.



>From Dope, Inc., p. 75:

In fact, on February 7, 1985, Credit Suisse was caught red-handed in a
multi-bilion dollar money-laundering scheme directed out of the staid
offices of the First National Bank of Boston, the flagship institution of
the Boston Brahmins' Bank of Boston Corporation.  Fortunately for the dope
bankers, the case was handled by William Weld, who collapsed 1,163 separate
documented cases of criminal felony, involving $1,218,682,281 in hot money,
laundered in and out of nine foreign banks, into a one-count indictment--for
which Bank of Boston was fined a slap-on-the-wrist $500,000 in a plea
bargain!  The penalty imposed on the bank amounted to an absurd 1/20 of 1%
of the amount of money laundered in just these documented cases.  Bank of
Boston chairman and chief executive officer William Brown was forced to
admit in testimony before a congressional committee early in 1985 that the
bank made enormous profits from the laundering of the dirty money--even
after the fine was paid.

The whitewashing of the Bank of Boston was accompanied by no action
whatsoever against the nine foreign correspondent banks, led by Weld's own
Credit Suisse Bank of Zurich, and including Swiss Bank Corp. of Basel, Union
Bank of Switzerland in Zurich, Barclays Bank International of New York, Bank
of Boston S.A. of Luxembourg, Bank Leu of Zurich, Die Freie Osterreichische
of Vienna, Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce of Ottawa, and Standard
Chartered Bank Ltd. of New York.  Meanwhile, a flood of other cases opened
up revealing the deeper role of the Bank of Boston in the international
narcoterrorist conspiracy.

http://www.c

Re: [CTRL] Why did the Egyptians cancelled the most dramatic ceremony of the Millennium ?


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Well the biggest mystery to me is this; what is the pyramid but a big
heap of rocks.falling apart, and during WWII someone shot the nose
off the Sphinx
machine gun practice.one mans junk is another man's
treasure..now I thought I played a big role in dooming that
celebration for I actually thought Osama would attend.and bring a
little suitcase.
So Albright was afraid to go to Seattle; so who else was afraid of the
"boogieman"..

But this is what gets me..look at these beautiful templs, the Golden
Temple in India,  and Notre Dame, Chartres Cathedralthe magnificent
castles still standingeven the St. Josephs in Columbus - the great
works of art.painting of Christ holding jewelled copies of books
dating back to Byzantine period; I have oriental mirror, engraved with
birds so old, it was before glass..made of bronze and copper.and
beautiful oriental insense burner with dragons made in China, Isold.

Now I can go outside in my back yard, and there is the eath beneath me
and how old is this planetor go to the Roman Coliseum and see
today's hockey and football and the wrestling gladiators and imagine
them as beforesee organized sports and organized crime and see the
mountains which have withstood time itself.   And all this fuss over a
heap of rocks?

The Jesuits in the 1800 period left poison in the tombs of the pharaohs
to discourage bandidtsyet we came anyway.

The gold reserve?  Sun Worshipthe Sun by Day and the Moon by
Night.we are going into the Solar Ageand yet there are those who
want to worship a heap of rocks that had to be built by the Irish they
say, because nobody else could have laid all those bricks.

They think small..I go outside and look to the stars; they have been
there millions of years most of them;  you read the bible and the Dial
of Ahaz, so they knew how to tell time and once it is said, it stood
stillhad to be an eclipse?

When I read of the Valley of the Haman-Gog, I see Arlington Cemetary and
Ezekials Wheel, I see Washington DC.so which came first, the chicken
or the egg head.

Now Howard Hughes knew things; had to be an occultis; he wanted to be
frozen when he died, and resurrectedlike the pharaohs.I always
said that guy had been on ice a long time before hey brought in the body
of an old man that looked more like a werewolf, and tried to call it,
Howard Hughes.and he was alleged to be holed up at the Pyramid Hotel
in Mexico...I did a story on that one before the fact

So six mormans brought Hughes back and the war was on for the wealth of
this Pharaoh...for what or who, really owned Howard Hughes.

Now this big blast they were to have New Years Eve..so they had to
be kidding.Osama out there with five little nuke suitcases and they
come into his ballpark?

Then, how much investment was lost in this blastwanted millions of
people there, and size reduced to 250,000 and even they got scared
off..the show must go on.a party in the sands of time, while New
York had a big party over 2 million eople showed up and the Mayor of New
York pulled off the biggest coup in the history of so called
terrorism.police came dressed like policemen, and what a party.

At pyramids.well, look at Seattlethey cancelled their party, for
the wicked fleeth, when nobody pursuethParanoia, and who created all
this paranoia?

I hope I contributed my share at the pyramids..for if it is not safe
for me to party in Seattle or in New York, why should the big super rich
go the a pile of rocks and Praise the whatever, when they put fear into
the hearts of the people?

So...Egyptian Plane Thothmosis goes downwas it the Curse of
the Pharaohs and written on the tombs in Thoth"Death will come upon
swift wings to those who disturb the sleep and the Pharoah".

And then I remember the High Priestess of the Temple of Aye, who went
down on the Titanic..won't read about her on books, because she was
on bride with Captain in a Golden Coffin...a High Priestess of the
Temple of Aye and a Jewelled Copy of the Rubyait

Now I can almost smell the Tanya Leaves burning.and still see the
picture of ancient origin of Christ holding a jewelled book of rubies,
giving someone Mojo.and whoever was on the receiving end of that
one, I think was on the Titanic.

Ever thing of the masonic symblism here? Titanic alleged to be hit by a
Pyramid of Ice??

Well I remember the Shah of Iran had a John made of solid gold.but
boy what a waste of money at the pyramidin other words, someone got
left holding the old bag for a lot of anticipated gold..and who was
that.

Now we have problems with gold market.Kissinger on that Indonesian
Board paid $500,000 a year for meetings and they deal in
gold..someone lost a lot of money with that pyramid blast for
someone planned to make a hughe fortune.like thes

[CTRL] [0] Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300


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from:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/300a.htm#FORWORD
Click Here: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/300a.htm#FORWORD">CONSPI
RATORS' HIERARCHY: THE STORY OF THE COMMI
-

CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY: THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300


Dr. John Coleman



"Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300", by Dr. John
Coleman, is reproduced here with the permission of the publisher: America
West Publishers.
Copyright (C) 1992 by Dr. John Coleman
FOREWORD

In my career as a professional intelligence officer, I had many occasions to
access highly classified documents, but during service as a political science
officer in the field in Angola, West Africa, I had the opportunity to view a
series of top secret classified documents which were unusually explicit. What
I saw filled me with anger and resentment and launched me on a course from
which I have not deviated, namely to uncover what power it is that controls
and manages the British and United States governments.

I was thoroughly familiar with all of the well known secret societies such as
the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA), the Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR), the Bilderbergers, Trilaterals, the Zionists, Freemasonry,
Bolshevism-Rosicrucianism and all of the spinoffs of these secret societies.
As an intelligence officer, and even before that as a young student in the
course of my studies at the British Museum in London, I had cut my eye teeth
on all of them, plus a good number of others with whom I imagined Americans
were familiar.

But when I came to the United States in 1969, I found that names like the
Order of St. John of Jerusalem, Club of Rome the German Marshall Fund, the
Cini Foundation, the Round Table, the Fabianists, the Venetian Black
Nobility, the Mont Pelerin Society, Hellfire Clubs, and many others were at
best totally unknown here, or else their true functions were at best but
poorly understood, if at all.

In 1969-1970 I set about remedying the situation in a series of monographs
and cassette tapes. Much to my surprise I soon found plenty of people willing
to quote these names as if they had known of them all of their writing
careers, but who were not in the least bit knowledgeable about the subjects,
yet quite unwilling to state the source of their lately acquired information.
I consoled myself with the thought that imitation is the sincerest form of
flattery. I pursued my investigations, pressing on in the face of severe
risks, attacks on myself and my wife, financial losses, continual harassment,
threats and calumny, all part of a carefully-crafted and orchestrated program
to discredit me, run by government agents and informers, embedded in the
so-called Christian rightwing, the "Identity Movement" and rightwing
"patriotic" groups. These agents operated, and still operate, under cover of
strong and fearless outspoken opposition to Judaism their main enemy, they
would have us believe.

These agent-informers are led and controlled by a group of homosexuals who
are well-liked and well-respected by political and religious conservatives
all across the United States. Their program of calumny, lies and hatred,
disinformation about my work, even lately attributing it to other writers,
contin-ues unabated but it has not had the desired effect. I shall carry on
with my task until I have finally ripped off the mask of the entire secret
upper-level parallel government that runs Britain and the U.S. This book is a
part of that ongoing effort.
Dr. John Coleman, November 1991

AN OVERVIEW AND SOME CASE HISTORIES

Certainly a fair number of us are aware that the people running our
government are not the people who are really in control of political and
economic matters, domestic and foreign. This has led many to seek the truth
in the alternative press, those newsletter writers who, like me, have sought,
but not always found what it is that is making the United States terminally
ill. "Seek and ye shall find" has not always been the case with this group.
What we did find was that the people walk in great darkness, mostly not
caring or bothering to find out where their country is headed, firm in the
belief that it will always be there for them. This is the way the largest
population group has been manipulated to react, and their attitude plays
right into the hands of the secret government.

We frequently hear about "they " doing this, that or the other. "They" seem
literally to be able to get away with murder. "They" increase taxes, send our
sons and daughters to die in wars that do not benefit our country. "They"
seem above our reach, out of sight, frustratingly nebulous when it comes to
taking action against "them." No one seems able to clearly identify who
"they" are. It is a situation that has pertained for decades. During the
course of this book, we shall identify the mysterious "they" and the

[CTRL] THE ECONOMIC RAPE OF AMERICA


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THE ECONOMIC RAPE OF AMERICA
Preface

by Frederick Mann
Dedicated to Melissa Grant
© Copyright 1992,
Free America! Institute
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED


AMERICA IS BEING DESTROYED.
THE WEALTH OF THE MIDDLE CLASS
- THE AVERAGE AMERICAN -
IS BEING SUCKED OUT BY
BLOODTHIRSTY PARASITES.
YOU CAN SAVE YOUR OWN
BUSINESS, INCOME, AND ASSETS
- IF YOU ACT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.



PREFACE

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Hosea 4, verse 6
The conquest of America and the economic rape of its people were made
possible by ignorance.
How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers
delight in scoffing and fools hate knowledge?
Proverbs 1, verse 22
Arm yourself with knowledge. Knowledge builds confidence, because with
knowledge you know what to do and what not to do - what works and what
doesn't work. Knowledge gives you self-confidence. Knowledge and confidence
combined is a mighty and invisible power that enables you to do what now
seems impossible.
If you follow the crowd, you will get no further than the crowd. If you
strike out in your own direction, you will find yourself in places where no
one has been before...
By wisdom a house is built, and by understanding it is established; by
knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches. Wise
warriors are mightier than strong ones, and those who have knowledge than
those who have strength; for by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in
abundance of counselors there is victory.
Proverbs 24, verses 3-6


INTRODUCTION

Who rises up for me against the wicked?
Who stands up for me against evildoers?
Psalms 94, verse 16
"We have lost our country. If you don't know that, or won't believe it, you
either don't know what's going on, or you don't want to. We have lost it to a
relatively small gang of immensely powerful totalitarians, whose goal is the
total subjugation of the American people in a world government. We have lost
it because of our own default. The only question worth asking now is: How can
we get it back?
... As we shall see, the power-lusters who threaten our liberty now, daily
break laws with impunity. Indeed, they have turned our God-ordained
government into the greatest lawbreaker in history, a totalitarian juggernaut
that makes the Mafia look sick. As we shall see, they take children hostage,
drive businessmen to ruin, routinely commit perjury, pervert the courts, spit
at the Bill of Rights - and even terrorize Congress."
Alan Stang, 1988
Alan Stang's quotation is from the introduction to his book, Taxscam: How The
IRS Swindles You And What You Can Do About It. At first thought you might
think Stang exaggerates, but my analysis indicates that the conquest of
America is even more pervasive than Stang indicates.
>From history we may conclude that a nation or a people can be conquered by
one or more of five methods - or any combination of these methods.
The most common has been conquest by war. In time, though, this method fails,
because the captives hate the captors. Eventually the captives rise up and
attempt to drive out the captors. Much force is needed to maintain control,
making it expensive for the conquerors.
A second method of conquest is by religion, or manipulation of religious
belief, where people are convinced they must give their captors part of their
earnings as "obedience to God." Such a captivity is vulnerable to
philosophical exposure or by overthrow through armed force, since modern
religion by its nature lacks military force to regain control once its
captives become disillusioned.
Political ideology is the third method of conquest. Compulsory state
education is the foundation. Children are forced into schools where the moral
and political values of the ruling class are subtly imparted. They are taught
submission to authority. The law of the authority is absolute and must be
obeyed. The discipline of the clock is stressed. The state controls what
shall be taught and who shall teach it. Implement a federal school lunch
program, so children will learn that big daddy government is the great
provider.
The fourth method is "legal conquest" through the legislative, judiciary,
police, and penal systems. Article I, section 8 of the U.S Constitution
grants Congress "the power to make all laws which shall be necessary and
proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers
vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any
department or officer thereof." A political party, or a coalition of
interests can get effective control of Congress. Meanwhile the Supreme Court,
year by year, chips away at undermining the protections ostensibly provided
by the B

Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN


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The only shrooms I ever heard of blooming in the desert were the big
onesatomic bombs.Manhattan Project.and that was some shroom.

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2000-02-05 Thread nessie

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>Nope.

OK, let's take a poll. Has anybody here ever picked 'shrooms in the
desert? What kind?

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Dulce Base Revelations! Billy Dee Remarks! (PLEASE READ!)

2000-02-05 Thread tnohava


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>  There are pictures taken in b&w of all
> including the entrances, dieties and crosses, presently of which I am
> out of copies. However, all coordinates are also attached so any could
> go directly to the sites and see for themselves.
>

I've seen this Dulce story kicked around the internet for years now and even
on some of the old BBS's before the popularity of the web grew and have yet
to see any photos other than maps of this location. You can get a map
anywhere and edit it with all x's and circles you want but you would think
after all this time a photo would surface if any of this were true. It
doesn't have to be a photo of the alleged underground 7th level, just
something of these supposed artifacts on the surface. If this guy is so
resourceful with his information then he should have no problem producing a
photo!

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[CTRL] CFR & RIIA are monitoring all global messages


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Subject: CFR & RIIA are monitoring all global messages
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:26 AM

The article that follows is posted at

http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/1999-1/1227m.html#item13

It is about the NSA & project Echelon.

Project Echelon is a global surveillance system whose roots go back to
1947. Originally, the network was used to spy on the Soviet Union and
communist states during the Cold War. It
was started as one of the results of the UKUSA treaty signed by the
governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and
New Zealand. The purpose of the UKUSA agreement was to create a single vast
global intelligence organization sharing common goals and a common agenda,
spying on the world and sharing the data.

The NSA (National Security Agency) is a creature of the Council on Foreign
Relations.  The first National Security Advisor was Edward Mandel House; a
Council on Foreign Relations founding father and close personal advisor to
Woodrow Wilson. It was House who convinced Wilson to establish the first
Central Intelligence Agency, the INQUIRY. The INQUIRY became the work of
the Council on Foreign Relations. A program of systematic study groups of
knowledgeable specialists of differing ideological inclination would
stimulate a variety of papers and reports that would be used to influence
influential policy makers. This method was developed and used by the Secret
Society of Cecil Rhodes, the parent organization of the CFR and Royal
Institute of International Affairs. The article points out that project
Echelon is a joint effort of the US, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and
Australia. Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Australia all have a Royal
Institute of International Affairs -- CFR sister organizations. Just about
every director of the CIA has been a member of the Council on Foreign
Relations. If you look at the directors of the intelligence organizations
in Britain, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, you will probably find that
they are connected to the RIIA in their respective countries.


 "Not What the NSA Had in Mind"
tele.com (12/13/99) Vol. 4, No. 24, P. 20; Weinschenk, Carl

 The details of the fabled Project Echelon may finally come to light in the
next several months. The surveillance project, which is believed to be a
joint effort between the National Security Agency (NSA) and its sister
agencies in Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand,
reportedly intercepts over 3 billion emails, cell phone calls, faxes, and
wireline communications every day. The NSA has remained mum as to whether
Echelon even exists, but most experts in the surveillance field say it
does, and last year the European Parliament and officials in the Australian
government admitted as much. Various players are attempting to push the NSA
into revealing more about the project. The Electronic Privacy Information
Center recently filed a federal lawsuit requesting that the NSA provide
Echelon-related documents that the agency had earlier refused to give to
the White House Intelligence Committee. Hearings on Echelon may also soon
be held by the House Government Reform Committee, and a provision of the
Foreign Intelligence Authorization Act for 2000 requires that the NSA, CIA,
and Department of Justice reveal the legal statutes that those agencies use
to justify surveillance on the communications of American citizens. While
it is possible that Echelon falls within the confines of the law, analysts
say the NSA could face a severe backlash if it comes to light that rumors
of industrial spying are true, or if it is revealed that the agency has
been illegally spying on American citizens. Technology experts say the NSA
has to be in collusion with service providers for Echelon to work, because
the messages that the agency intercepts are transferred via public
networks. Certain laws force providers to allow intelligence and law
enforcement agencies access to things such as Signaling System 7 networks
and dialup IP address databases in certain circumstances. Legal experts say
the only way providers can fight Echelon is to ask government officials to
look more deeply into the project and to advise customers to secure their
communications with high-level encryption.
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[CTRL] Why did the Egyptians cancelled the most dramatic ceremony of the Millennium ?


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  THE GREAT PYRAMID AND THE FREEMASONS

  Why did the Egyptians cancelled the most dramatic ceremony of the
 Millennium ?

  By Robert G. Bauval

  Amid accusation of a bizarre 'Zionist' plots and strange 'Masonic'
  machination, the Egyptian government cancelled the placing of a golden
  capstone on top of the Great Pyramid which was scheduled to take place at
  midnight on on the eve of the new millennium. Curiously, the story has its
  origins in France when, in May 1998, a golden capstone was ceremoniously
  placed on top of the Egyptian obelisk which stands at the Place de la
  Concorde in the heart of Paris with quests of honour Egypt's president
 Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian Minister of Culture, Farouk Hosni and the
 Antiquities' chairman Dr. Ali Gaballah. This Paris obelisk, which was taken
from the
  temple of Luxor in Upper Egypt in 1831, had been commissioned by Charles X
  and was raised in the Place de la Concorde in 1836 amid massive
 celebrations  attended by a crowd of 200,000 people.

Charles X was a Freemason and historians have suspected that the secret
Brotherhood was behind the idea of bringing the Egyptian obelisk to France.
Other obelisks which were also
  taken out of Egypt by the Freemasons in the late 19th century included the
  two famous "Cleopatra's Needles", which today can be seen at the Victoria
  Embankment in London and in New York's Central Park. The London obelisk was
  commissioned and paid for by a prominent Freemason, Sir Erasmus Wilson, and
  the raising ceremony in London was attend by hundreds of British Freemasons
  in September 1878 under the auspices of the Prince of Wales who also was
  Grand Master of United Grand Lodge, Freemasonry's regulating body in
  Britain. That same year the 'New York' obelisk was noticed by US President
  Ulysses S. Grant and General William T. Sherman during a visit to Egypt,
 who felt that America should also have an ancient Egyptian obelisk of its
own.
  Henry W. Gorringe, a prominent Freemason, was selected for the task of
  bringing the obelisk to New York. The obelisk was raised in October 1880
  outside the newly built Metropolitan Museum, with over ten thousand
  Freemasons attending the ceremony in Masonic regalia. The important
 symbolic aspect of an obelisk is not its tall stem but mainly its top which
is
 shaped like a small pyramid. Pyramids, especially with the 'eye of
providence' in
  them, feature very prominently in Masonic rituals. The symbol can be seen
 on the face of the US one-dollar bill and also on the Great Seal of the
United
  States. In Freemasonry the glowing pyramid and eye represents the so-called
  Great Architect of the Universe or the Supreme Being, both epithets for
 God.

  This Masonic symbolism was used prominently in France during the 1789
  Revolution and was embossed on front of The Declaration of Human Rights.

 The first celebrations of the French Revolution that took place in 1793 saw
 many makeshift 'pyramids' raised in the heart of Paris and in the courtyard
of
  the Louvre Museum, causing many historians to suspect a Masonic
 involvement.

  Today a glass pyramid with the same geometrical proportions as the Great
  Pyramid of Giza adorns the courtyard of the Louvre.

  During the May 1998 celebrations in Paris, when the obelisk at the Place de
  la Concorde was crowned with a golden pyramid, the Egyptian culture
 minister announced that a similar ceremony would take place at the Great
Pyramid of
  Giza for the millennium celebrations:

  "We cannot rebuild the pyramids stone by stone, "said Farouk Hosni, "so we
  have chosen a symbolic event like the ancient Egyptians did when they used
  to cap obelisks like what the French did at the Place de la Concorde".

  Later in October 1998 the Farouk Hosni announced that French composer
  Jean-Michel Jarre was to organise this event at Giza. The official Egyptian
  Tourist Authorities announced that Jean-Michel Jarre would compose a
  12-hours opera titled "The Twelve Dream of the Sun" for the sum of 10
  million US dollars and that,

  "At midnight a helicopter will fly into the site and, hovering in a
  starburst of lasers and spotlights, will place a gigantic gilded capstone
  atop the Great Pyramid --all to the accompaniment of what is expected to be
  an unprecedented Jarre crescendo of electronic music. The gold cap,
  approximately 28 feet high (about the size of a two-story house) is being
  especially constructed to protect the pyramid structure. In place, it will
  catch the first light of the new millennium as the sun rises over Egypt.
  Capping pyramids with gold and timing imp

Re: [CTRL] Land of Deutch

2000-02-05 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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<< (Washington, D.C.): Recent revelations about former Director of Central
 Intelligence John Deutch's mishandling of highly classified information
suggest
 that potentially grave damage could have resulted. Unfortunately, the failure
 by the head of the CIA to adhere to the most basic principles of intelligence
 is not an isolated incident. Rather, it is symptomatic of the cavalier -- if
 not actually contemptuous -- disregard exhibited by the Clinton-Gore
 Administration over the past seven years for the most basic fundamentals of
 information, physical and personnel security. >>

Don't blame it all on the present administration; there is plenty of blame to
go around.  I recall an ambassador during the Ford years who was so poorly
briefed that he wanted to send classified material concerning security
arrangements for a very important and somewhat threatened occasion via the
KDD rather than the American military communications center.   I almost got
fired over the incident, but then he finally spoke to another ambassador
about it and was convinced that I had done the right thing.  Of course in so
doing, I'm sure he discussed classified information over the phone.

Now that's another matter.  When I learned that Newt Gingrich was in a flap
over a couple's hearing what he considered a private conversation on his cell
phone--something that my girl friend gets on her baby monitor--I knew we were
in trouble in this country.  Of course, Newt was never in the military, an
affliction that affects a goodly number of our congressmen.  The most lowly
recruit learns first and foremost that you never discuss classified
information on the telephone.  NEVER!
And we're not talking cell phones here.  We talking any kind of phone.  What
in the world has congress thought all those Russian fishing trawlers were
listening to?  So I called my own Congressman (a Republican, I'm afraid) and
then my Senator (also a Republican) and in both cases, the individual who
answered the phone had never been briefed that NO TELEPHONE CONVERSATION was
secure.

The whole bunch of them need to get it together.  The CIA first of all.
There have been a lot of chiefs of the CIA, and we don't know much about what
any of them did.  Which is probably just as well.   One can't think too
little of an organization that never seems quite to catch up to the spies
within.  Still, sometimes they do something wonderful.  Remember them
catching that "long gun" Saddam was gathering together.  It's just that so
much of the time, they stumble over their own feet.  And their advice to
foreign dictators and their cooperation with same is horrible.  I have a hard
time forgiving the things that happen to Americans in countries where they
are advising and assisting.  Prudy

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Hackers vs. Politicians


The Web of Secret Political Accounts in Germany


Is there still Hope in Pandora's little box?

Germany's embattled Christian Democratic Union (CDU) on Friday admitted it
had operated an extraordinary web of secret onshore and offshore accounts,
run in parallel to its official finances, for three decades.

Releasing statements from two of the key people who managed its financial
affairs since the 1970s, the party opened a Pandora's box of secret accounts,
safe deposit boxes in Switzerland and million D-Mark payments made via the
intelligence services to political parties in Spain and Portugal.

The revelations put the spotlight back on Helmut Kohl, the former chancellor
and CDU chairman who late last year plunged the party into crisis when he
admitted he had received "up to DM2m" (£619,000) in undeclared donations. Mr
Kohl has refused to disclose the source of the donations.

The new disclosures provided unprecedented detail of the system of secret
party funding that has emerged gradually since last November. "We have broken
the cartel of silence but unfortunately there are still some contradictions,"
said Angela Merkel, the CDU general secretary.

The details follow meetings between CDU leaders and Horst Weyrauch and Uwe
Lüthje, two of the party's key functionaries.

At a news conference on Friday it was revealed that the CDU held accounts in
Switzerland to handle undeclared contributions. Much of the money stemmed
from funds collected by German industrialists since the 1950s and
subsequently declared illegal by the Constitutional Court.

Up to DM6m may have come from Siemens, the engineering group, and an
unspecified amount from Leo Kirch, the German media magnate. However, Siemens
cast doubt on the claim and the Kirch group denied making any payments.

Wolfgang Schäuble, Mr Kohl's successor as CDU chairman, said the CDU was
handing all its information to public prosecutors in Bonn, who are
investigating the funding scandal.

He said the party had contacted UBS, the Swiss bank where its safe deposit
box and some accounts were held, to obtain details of the amounts and the
precise flows between Switzerland and Germany.

Friday's information represented a further attempt by Mr Schäuble to present
himself as the man to lead the party's clean-up campaign.

But the information will increase the financial pressure on the CDU, already
facing potentially big penalties under Germany's generous-but-strict state
funding system.

Wolfgang Thierse, the president of the Bundestag - the lower house of
Parliament, which administers the scheme - must decide by the middle of this
month whether to unlock the next tranche of state funding due to the CDU and
resolve the highly contentious issue of penalties.
The Financial Times, February 5, 2000
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[CTRL] Fwd: Another View on McCain/Rehabilitiated, Deprogrammed From N. Vietnam Brainwashing






2.5.00
Another View on McCain//
--Rehabilitated, Deprogrammed From N. Vietnamese Brainwashing



RU Mills thinks John McCain just might be OK. While acknowledging the
extensive brainwashing tactics used against McCain while he was a POW in
North Vietnam, and that he was in fact programmed using "Manchurian
Candidate" tactics, RU says McCain was fully and successfully
deprogrammed upon his repatriation here.

Ru says that literally NO ONE else in the Republican party but McCain
would EVER seriously go up against those walking, talking
representatives of evil, corruption, degradation and destruction
incarnate--that is, Dubya and the BUSH empire. Reason? According to Ru
Mills McCain has literally no fear and cannot be intimidated. He will
attack Bush like a pit bull on steroids and just never go down.

The possibility of the Bush bunch pulling up McCain's admittedly rather
tattered past--NOT just the brainwashing stuff but the vast numbers of
credible reports of McCain's abusive, often violent temper and other
personality "quirks" like raping a Navy woman-- is nullified in Ru's
view by that fact that McCain would have not the slightest hesitation in
pulling out every single scrap of the Bush family's dirty laundry
imaginable. Better rent a VERY large room for that job, McCain! Say, the
Oakland Coliseum or something.

Is RuMills right about this? In some ways, probably so. Ru also
indicates that, whatever McCain's degree of fairly minimal involvement
in the Keating Five/Lincoln S&L bribery/swindle deal, the only reason
McCain ever got snagged is that he was SUPPOSED to get snagged.
Something to hold over him. On this angle, we'd have to say Ru is
probably right.


And what about all the rest of the tract reprinted below? Read and judge
for yourself, I guess.

Personally, I cannot POSSIBLY imagine that McCain, WHATEVER his RELATIVE
merits in contrast to that INSUFFERABLE, stomach-turning rodent named
Dubya "Coke-head" Bush and to Al "Trenchcoat Mafia" Gore, would be able
to withstand the New World Order forces of malignancy and malevolence
which apparently are in nearly complete control not ONLY of this country
but much of the world.

AND, I'd be VERY wary of someone whose mind and brain were as
extensively screwed with as McCain's quite obviously was. First he was
programmed every which way to Sunday, THEN he gets DE-programmed, and
FINALLY, RE-programmed. And re-programmed by WHO and to what end,
exactly, anyway? Well, shit. That's a hell of a lot of programming in my
book and the damn CPU may well have gotten permanently damaged.


Me? I gave up on voting. It only encourages them. But I MIGHT vote for
my dog.

And yet, I must qualify things yet once more in closing. I cannot think
of a single person more odious, more repugnant and MORE CERTAIN to
plunge the U.S. ever-deeper into a hellish New World Order nightmare of
no return than G.W. Bush... with the possible exception of Trenchcoat Al Gore.

So? What's a decent person to do?



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EGYPTAIR PILOT WITH INFO ON 990 SEEKS ASYLUM
Posted By: RMN-AGENT 009
Date: Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 1:06 a.m.

EgyptAir Says Pilot Asks for Asylum

"...pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, asked for asylum, saying "he has information on
the EgyptAir crash."

Updated 8:06 PM ET February 4, 2000

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - An EgyptAir pilot who claims to have information about
the crash of one of the airline's planes last year that killed everyone on
board reportedly has asked for political asylum in Britain.

The official Middle East News Agency carried a statement Friday by EgyptAir
quoting the airline's chairman, Mohammed Fahim Rayan, as saying that the
pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, had asked for asylum, saying "he has information on
the EgyptAir crash."

But the report said that Taha "does not have any connection to or knowledge
about the cause of the plane crash."

The Oct. 31 EgyptAir crash off the eastern coast of the United States killed
all 217 people aboard. The plane went down in the ocean 40 minutes into an
11-hour flight from New York to Cairo.

A team of American and Egyptian investigators has yet to release any official
findings on the cause of the crash. Some U.S. sources have said the U.S.
National Transportation and Safety Board is working on the theory the plane
was brought down deliberately by a copilot who died in the crash.

Egyptian officials have dismissed that possibility, saying instead that they
believe an as-yet unexplained problem in the plane's tail section was
responsible for the crash.

State-owned EgyptAir's brief statement did not elaborate on whether Taha
claimed to have information about the copilot on the ill-fated jet.

Both the Egyptian government and public have condemned as outrageous and
insulting any speculation that an Egyptian pilot may have committed suicide
and killed innocent people in the downing of Flight 990.

If Taha has information contradicting that stand, he may fear being
ostracized - or worse - in a country where human rights activists have been
jailed for speech considered harmful to the national interest.

Taha flew a planeload of passengers to London earlier Friday and made his
asylum request at Heathrow Airport.

In London, a spokesman for the Home Office, when asked if an EgyptAir pilot
had requested asylum, said: "We can confirm an Egyptian national has sought
entry into the U.K. and his application is being considered by the
immigration services." The spokesman refused to elaborate.

The plane Taha had flown to London returned to Cairo as scheduled early
Saturday piloted by reserve pilot Mohammed Salama. Upon arrival in Cairo,
Salama told reporters only that the crew had seen Taha being escorted away by
police in London.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARD AUSTRIA

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>From Rayelan
To: Rumor Mill News Readers

The enclosed  article on Austria and Joerg Haider is old news by now it
has been on the Forum since the 1st, but I have not been able to send it via
AOL and/or onelinst.com  However, the more news that comes out in the media,
the more I am sure my analysis of the Austrian crisis is accurate. I urge you
to read the part I have sent. You will understand the true cause of this so
called "crisis".

There are a number of new posts on the Forum regarding the coming crisis in
oil, gold and bonds.  It appears to a number of us that by Monday, the
financial world could be thrown into chaos and crisis.

Our attention is being diverted by the crash of AlaskaAir 261, Elian, John
McCain, Hillary and other riveting stories. But behind the scenes, it appears
that we are in for an immediate and serious problem in the financial world.
In the past, our government has diverted our attention with wars.

At this moment, the United States has seized a Russian tanker. How long will
it be before the Russians label this an act of war? If war is needed, the
situation has  already been created which can escalate into war instantly.

It is my belief that the current situation in the world:

The breakdown of the peace agreement in Ireland, with the threat of British
invasion

The breakdown of the Israel-Palestinian peace talks

The seizing of the Russian ship by Americans

The crisis in Austria

Problems in the bond market

The rise of gold prices

The rise of oil

Potential major scandal for Clinton and the Democrats

Can  cause our current leadership to rely on his old and trusted diversionary
measures WAR! Take a look at the articles on the Forum and decide for
yourself.
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Dateline: February 1, 2000

WHY THE EUROPEAN UNION REALLY OPPOSES AUSTRIA’S JOERG HAIDER

or...

WITH ENEMIES LIKE THE BILDERBERGERS AND MORRIS DEES,

HAIDER CAN’T BE ALL BAD

By Rayelan Allan

In the past few days, the European Union has been warning Austria that if
they allow Joerg Haider, the head of the Freedom Party, to form a coalition
government, the 14 nations that make up the European Union will
diplomatically isolate Austria.

In an official statement, issued out of Portugal, the European Union
threatened Austria. The official position of the EU warns that if Austria
allows the lawfully elected members of the Austrian Freedom Party, to take
part in their own government, that the members of the European Union will
diplomatically “snub” their ambassadors and all other representatives of
Austria.

The Portuguese prime minister justified the EU’s position by stating “We
have to send a very clear signal that behavior os a racist or xenophobic
character will not be tolerated within the European Union.”

Haider responded by stating, “If Austria bows to foreign pressure, then we
might as well abolish democracy in this country straight away.”

Austrian leaders, even those who oppose Haider, were dumbfounded by the
attack on their sovereignty by the European Union. Other European leaders are
also taking another look at the enormous power they have given to the EU, and
wonder when the EU will turn their wrath on them.

The European Union should know that it cannot threaten Austria or Austrians.
In 1986, after 10 years at the helm of the United Nations, Austrian Kurt
Waldheim entered the race for President of Austria. All European nations
banded together to decry Austria’s Nazi inclinations. They labeled Waldheim a
Nazi and stated that he took part in sending Jews to gas chambers. Waldheim
denied the charge. Pressure was put on President Reagan by the international
bankers who own the Federal Reserve and direct the New World Order. Reagan
was forced to ban Waldheim from the United States.

The Austrian people were so angered by the world’s reaction to Waldheim, who
was one of the guiding lights in Austria after WWII, that he was elected
PresidentTWICE!

The Austrian people are different. They are one family. They treat their
country as responsible home owners treat their own private property. There is
no graffiti, no garbage, no slums. The transportation system is so good that
cars are not necessary. However, if you want to drive a car, the roads in
Austria are well maintained, scenic, clean and beautiful.

There are no homeless sleeping on the street, virtually no poor and crime is
almost non existent. The year I was in Vienna, there had been no murders and
only one rape. Women could walk in safety anywhere in Vienna at any time of
the day or night.

Austrians pay almost 50% of their salary in taxes, but they get a lot for
their money. Their health care is one of the most advan

[CTRL] Indulgence

2000-02-05 Thread Alamaine


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>From www.boston.com/dailyglobe

{{}}
Time has come once again to indulge yourself
By Alex Beam, Globe Columnist, 2/2/2000
 any of you are aware that this is a Jubilee year in the Roman Catholic calendar, 
which portends much hoopla. The Pope hopes to visit the Holy Land, and next month he 
has scheduled a celebratory Ash Wednesday Mass at the
Circus Maximus in Rome. And, perhaps the best news of all for us sinners, the church 
is back in the indulgence business.
Indulgences, as Pope John Paul II has correctly noted, are ''a sensitive subject, 
which has suffered historical misunderstandings that have had a negative impact on 
communion between Christians.'' The reckless trafficking
 in indulgences - cash-and-carry relief from the sufferings of Purgatory hawked by 
corrupt priests in the 14th and 15th centuries - prompted ''Luther's revolt,'' which 
is Catholicism's genteel euphemism for the creation o
f the Protestant church.
A Dominican friar named Johann Tetzel was trying a too hard to nail his alms quota for 
the construction of St. Peter's basilica, when Luther nailed his famous Ninety-Five 
Theses to the church door in protest. The rest, as
 they say, is history. Geoffrey Chaucer's unsavory Pardoner may be literature's most 
famous purveyor of ''Indulgences of pope and cardinal ... /these I do/Show, and in 
Latin speak some words, a few,/To spice therewith a b
it my sermoning/And stir men to devotion, marvelling.''
The church would want you to understand that today's ''good'' indulgences have little 
to do with the ''bad'' indulgences of yore. Catholicism formally abandoned the sale of 
get-out-of-Purgatory cards in 1567. Strictly spe
aking, it's no longer a cash-on-the-barrelhead transaction. The granting of an 
indulgence, however, is still intended to reduce a soul's suffering in purgatory. And 
it can require a ''significant contribution to religious
 and social works,'' along with the appropriate prayers and confession.
The church has an elaborate, sophistic explanation for the quid-pro-quo
arrangement. ''The Church has a `treasury,' then, which is `dispensed' as it
were through indulgences,'' John Paul explained in a Sept. 29 audience last
year. The Catholic Encylopedia offers a codification of who can and cannot
shell out these treasures. The Pope can grant a plenary, or complete
indulgence, and will grant a great many to Christian pilgrims who visit Rome
this year. That is to be distinguished from a partial indulgence. What's the
difference? The one priest brave enough to discuss this subject with me allowed
that ''only God knows what this doctrine really means.'' According to the book,
an indulgence from Cardinal Law would last 200 days; from an archbishop 100
days, and so on.
I'm a big fan of the present Pope, and generally an admirer of the One True
Church. But let's make one thing clear. Jesus Christ never sold or granted
indulgences. Quite the opposite. They were an invention of the 14th-century
church bureaucracy, which often used the proceeds to build cathedrals,
hospitals - or just to line their pockets. The modern church claims it ''has
received from Christ the power to grant indulgences.'' Communicants must accept
this ''de fide,'' or on faith. This is the equivalent of a child asking
''Why?'' and the parent answering ''Because.''
Enough palaver. Let's get down to a more practical question: How can I get one?
Traditionally, making a pilgrimage to Rome is a good start, and this Jubilee
year is no exception. If you're pressed for time, the Wall Street Journal has
revealed that indulgences are now available in a small chapel at Rome's
Fiumicino airport, to save travelers the hassle of driving in to one of the
city's major basilicas for the remission of sins. Can drive-through be far
behind?
But you don't have to hop on Alitalia to get time off from Purgatory. Last
Sunday, the Globe's City Weekly section printed this list of local churches
offering the special sacrament: Our Lady of Victories; St. Clement's
Eucharistic Shrine; the Cathedral of the Holy Cross; Madonna Queen National
Shrine, the Mission Church on Tremont Street, and St. Theresa of Avila in West
Roxbury.
So what can I say? Indulge.
Alex Beam's e-dress is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This story ran on page D01 of the Boston Globe on 2/2/2000.
© Copyright 2000 Globe Newspaper Company.

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[CTRL] EgyptAir Pilot with Info on flight 990 Asks for Asylum

2000-02-05 Thread Dave


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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 05:23:07 EST
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Subject: EGYPTAIR PILOT SEEKS ASYLUM--FLIGHT 990 INFORMATION

Rumor Mill News Forum
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PILOT WITH INFO ON 990 SEEKS ASYLUM
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EGYPTAIR PILOT WITH INFO ON 990 SEEKS ASYLUM
Posted By: RMN-AGENT 009
Date: Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 1:06 a.m.

EgyptAir Says Pilot Asks for Asylum

"...pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, asked for asylum, saying "he has information
on
the EgyptAir crash."

Updated 8:06 PM ET February 4, 2000

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - An EgyptAir pilot who claims to have information about
the crash of one of the airline's planes last year that killed everyone on
board reportedly has asked for political asylum in Britain.

The official Middle East News Agency carried a statement Friday by EgyptAir
quoting the airline's chairman, Mohammed Fahim Rayan, as saying that the
pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, had asked for asylum, saying "he has information
on
the EgyptAir crash."

But the report said that Taha "does not have any connection to or knowledge
about the cause of the plane crash."

The Oct. 31 EgyptAir crash off the eastern coast of the United States killed
all 217 people aboard. The plane went down in the ocean 40 minutes into an
11-hour flight from New York to Cairo.

A team of American and Egyptian investigators has yet to release any
official
findings on the cause of the crash. Some U.S. sources have said the U.S.
National Transportation and Safety Board is working on the theory the plane
was brought down deliberately by a copilot who died in the crash.

Egyptian officials have dismissed that possibility, saying instead that they
believe an as-yet unexplained problem in the plane's tail section was
responsible for the crash.

State-owned EgyptAir's brief statement did not elaborate on whether Taha
claimed to have information about the copilot on the ill-fated jet.

Both the Egyptian government and public have condemned as outrageous and
insulting any speculation that an Egyptian pilot may have committed suicide
and killed innocent people in the downing of Flight 990.

If Taha has information contradicting that stand, he may fear being
ostracized - or worse - in a country where human rights activists have been
jailed for speech considered harmful to the national interest.

Taha flew a planeload of passengers to London earlier Friday and made his
asylum request at Heathrow Airport.

In London, a spokesman for the Home Office, when asked if an EgyptAir pilot
had requested asylum, said: "We can confirm an Egyptian national has sought
entry into the U.K. and his application is being considered by the
immigration services." The spokesman refused to elaborate.

The plane Taha had flown to London returned to Cairo as scheduled early
Saturday piloted by reserve pilot Mohammed Salama. Upon arrival in Cairo,
Salama told reporters only that the crew had seen Taha being escorted away
by
police in London.

http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000204/20/int-egypt-egyptair-pilot

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[CTRL] William F. Buckley, Jr. - ON THE RIGHT 02/04/2000 (fwd)

2000-02-05 Thread Yardbird


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  William F. Buckley, Jr. - ON THE RIGHT
 Friday, February 4, 2000

Arguably, Gore was hiding something


By William Buckley

The primary in New Hampshire notwithstanding, Candidate Al
Gore can't hope to have buried the history of his variable
stands on abortion. As late as primary day itself, The New
York Times published an op-ed piece by abortion enthusiast
Faye Wattleton, whose greatest fear is that the very subject
should actually be put up for political discussion since,
manifestly, it isn't a political question at all. "The right
to abortion is a private issue. It shouldn't be a political
football that candidates can kick around at will."

The New York Post's Vincent Morris and Deborah Orin had nicely
framed the whole question, reviewing two letters written by
Candidate Gore to his constituents while he served in the
House of Representatives. The issue, they point out correctly,
evolves less as what were/are Mr. Gore's views on the abortion
issue than what was/is Gore's attachment to telling the truth.

In the '80s, a young graduate of Harvard Law School came up
with an emancipating point. The writer of the majority
decision in Roe vs. Wade had said that the nature of a fetus
hadn't been defined, leaving open the question whether it was
a "person." Well, said Stephen Galebach, why not ask Congress
to decide whether it is a person? The motion did not carry,
but Mr. Gore voted in the House to define a "person" in civil-
rights laws to include unborn children from the moment of
conception.

In what seemed a panicked defense, Gore told reporters in New
Hampshire that in the letters to his constituents he had used
the word "arguably" on the question whether a fetus was human
life. He wishes now that he hadn't used the word.

Why not? Using round numbers, approximately half of the
American people believe that abortion is wrong. Why? If the
fetus were (to borrow the image from an inventive commentator)
a tomato, then there would be no reason at all for the
discussion at hand. True, you can rule some questions as out
of the boundaries of arguability. If your neighbor appears on
your doorstep wearing a tricornered hat, rings the bell, and
announces that he is Napoleon, what do you do? You smile, call
him Your Majesty, and wink at your wife to call the ambulance.
It is not an "arguable" question whether your caller is or
isn't Napoleon.

It is at the very least arguable that a fetus which one minute
later, having detached from the womb of his mother, possesses
inarguably the protections of the Bill of Rights as a human
being, was a human being one minute earlier. But the question
is likely to pause less on the question whether the fetus as
human, than on Al Gore as self-serving manipulator.

Ms. Wattelton, though annoyed with Gore for having been
unorthodox in years gone by, provides him a little cover.
She tells her readers that Ronald Reagan used to be pro-
choice, as also was George (the former president) Bush. It
is true that Gov. Reagan signed a permissive abortion bill,
but Ms. Wattelton fails to record (perhaps she isn't aware of
it?) that in his private journals in future years he deeply
bemoaned having done so. Those journals were not written for
reporters to read before a primary vote. And Mr. Bush did
indeed change his position. It is fair to say, in a world
where opportunism is the presumptive motive, that he was
prompted to do so by political considerations in 1980. But
fair also to say that hard thought on the issue brought him
around, and that he was arguably sincere in his conversion.

The trouble Al Gore gives is the fortified presumption that
his policy positions are opportunistic for the simple reason
that he disguises his record in order to curry favor with the
target constituency. This is a real problem for the vice
president. Why couldn't he have said that, back in 1984, he
gave serious thought to the possibility that a fetus was human.
But that now, political ice ages later, he believes that the
women's reproductive-rights constituency have the better of
the argument and that therefore he will fight to keep Roe v.
Wade in place. Would not the Faye Watteltons of the world
prefer to hear it said in that way?

The central problem is that those who want political power
are, in most cases, drawn to temporize when giving views
different from those disclosed by the pollsters as
representing the views of the majority. There are political
moments when the mandate comes in athwart of political
opinion, and then one treads desperately on the tightrope,
as Abraham Lincoln did, devoted to the emancipation of the
slaves, and to the doctrine of self-government.

Mr. Gore has failed to justify the confidence owed to those
who sincerely wrestle with the polarizing demands of
conscience and ambition.



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> New York Post-February 4, 2000
>
> IT'S STILL THE REAGAN BOOM
>
> By LAWRENCE KUDLOW and STEPHEN MOORE
>
> THIS week America crosses one of its great economic milestones,
> breaking the record for the longest expansion in U.S. history.
> But this isn't exactly sweet vindication for Clintonomics: The
> politician most responsible for laying the groundwork for this
> prosperous era is Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, tell all the victims of 'downsizing', and all those people
working two and three jobs to make up for the one that moved to
Mexico, that we're in such an economic 'boom'


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"Caveat Lector" indeed

If I can dig it up, I'll post the URL which talks about this
well-known urban legend...

Suffice it to say, the chances of getting a scalding bubble
to burst in your face after microwaving a mug of water, are
extremely rare, indeed.  You have a better chance of having
an asteroid land on you


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From: "Bard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> PS:  It's a HOMO Club!

It's a "Gay-Straight Alliance'...

Why do you ignore the fact that heterosexuals are members?


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>>>"Shrooms in the desert!?! No way. Too dry. Need rain and
>>>cow pies. Trust me".
>>
>> --
>> Exodus 16-14 "And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold,
>> upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing,
>> as small as the hoar frost on the ground."..
>> Frost? Dew? Wilderness? Is this a desert??
>> Need grass, trees and moisture. Trust me.

Nope.  The accepted theory is that they wandered south along the
shoreline of the western Arabian peninsula...the heat during the
day results in a fair amount of moisture being absorbed into the
air, resulting in that moisture precipitating out as dew being
deposited in the night (which can be pretty cold in the desert)...


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[CTRL] Austrian 'crisis'

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The 'crisis', of course, is totally orchestrated.

It seems our goverment used to meddle in the internal affairs of
countries who elected a government who was deemed 'too left'...
now it seems we are going to meddle in the internal affairs of
governments we deem 'too right'...

So much for democracy...whatever happened to the concept of a
people having the right to choose their own form of government?

And in reading below about the riots in Austria, I'm reminded of
two things:  first to mind is COINTELPRO, the now well-known
secret project of the U.S. government to infiltrate any groups
which opposed the government, and thereby encouraging such groups,
which had previously been non-violent, to conduct violent and
illegal acts.  There is evidence that COINTELPRO never was
discontinued, only renamed; there is also evidence that most major
European countries had there own versions of COINTELPRO, which
also probably never ended, only were renamed as something else.

Secondly, I'm reminded of an article I read years and years ago...
it concerned the priest who was openly and vehemently opposed to
the reforms the Vatican had undertaken, starting in the 1960s.
This priest's name eludes me at the moment, but he became very
popular in the late 1960s and throughout the 1970s in leading a
'back to Latin' movement (resulting in conservative Catholics
forming splinter churches), and in openly criticizing the Pope for
being 'too liberal'...

The article I read pointed out that there was evidence that this
conservative priest, if not blatantly a shill, was at least being
manipulated by the more liberal elements within the Catholic church...
because at the time, the church in general, and the Pope in
particular, were under constant criticism for not allowing women to
be priests, for not allowing birth control, etc.  With the result that
the Vatican began to dig in it's heels and become entrenched in it's
conservative stance...

Except along comes this ultra 'rightwing', conservative priest, who
got gobs of media attention worldwide, who indeed formed splinter
churches throughout the world...condemning the Vatican for it's 'too
liberal' tendencies...

The article quite succintly pointed out that the end result was to
force the Vatican into a more MODERATE stance...

So remembering that, I have to wonder if Herr Haider, if not knowingly
a 'shill', is being manipulated by leftist elements to achieve their
own ends...perhaps to force the EU into a more leftist stance?

I also remember that the quickest way to entrench someone in power is
to start a campaign of boycotts, etc., against the country -- the only
thing that achieves is to make the majority of the populace of that
country, who heretofore were apolitical, more supportive of their
government due to the people's feelings of patriotism, and that
outsiders have no right to meddle in the affairs of their country.

If The Powers That Be sincerely wanted to see Herr Haider out of office,
they would take a hands-off stance, and let nature take its course.  By
By orchestrating boycotts, recalling ambassadors, etc., they instead are
assuring Haider will not only remain in office, but gain more support
(if not popularity) from the Austrian public...


June



THE GUARDIAN

Riots as Austria's crisis deepens

Hard right takes power in Vienna to angry demonstrations
The Austrian far right in power: special report

John Hooper and Kate Connolly in Vienna
Saturday February 5, 2000

Austria's hard right coalition came to power yesterday amid violent
protests in Vienna, as governments in several countries began to make
good their threats of a boycott.

Last night, police in riot gear clashed with protesters for the second
time in hours. Twenty-five police were injured.

President Thomas Klestil appealed for calm in a country which has rarely
seen such anger. He called on the world to "give the new government a
chance and judge it by what it does".  But he warned the chancellor,
Wolfgang Schüssel, and his coalition partner, the populist Freedom party
leader Jörg Haider, that if it strayed from guidelines he had made it
underwrite "it would have a serious impact at home and abroad".

The US joined European nations in limiting contact with the new
administration, but the secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, said
further judgement would be made "on deeds not words". Her colleague, the
defence secretary, William Cohen, sounded a more ominous note.  On a tour
of Germany, he said the new government "might be a step back into a very
dark past".

Mr Klestil delivered his warning after Mr Haider, who will hold the
government's fate in his hands, had questioned the need for the commitment
he and the new chancellor had signed.  It pledged Austria to respect basic
human rights and to re-examine its Nazi past.  "It is an affront to the
public that such matters of course have to be signed," Mr Haider said.

The high emotions

[CTRL] [Fwd: What really happen at Waco?]

2000-02-05 Thread Bard


.far and wide!

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance;
they are the people´s liberty´s teeth."
-- George Washington





   BQ's View ...

 With Radio America's Blanquita
 Cullum

 "Picnic" at
 Waco Just
 Won't Go Away ...

 January 28, 2000

 ... What was Delta Force doing at Waco? ... They were
"having a
 picnic," according to Mike McNulty, producer of two
documentaries
 on Waco ... "Picnic", in this context, means "go in, kick
butt, take
 names, kill people, go home, clean your gun and have a
beer" ...

 ... Delta Force operatives shot at the Branch Davidian
compound, but
 the U.S. Military has a hard time admitting it ... You'll
see for yourself
 in the incredible new video, "Waco, a New Revelation" ...

 ... The evidence is there ... Two Delta Force technicians
have been
 talking about what they were doing at Waco, and the U.S.
Military has
 tried to make it appear to be a limited role, and that they
were just kind
 of there watching ... Three operatives were verified in
documentation
 from Delta Force itself ... Then the number grew to 10 or
12 when
 additional reports came in from sources within Delta Force,
the CIA
 and Congressional investigators ...

 ... More than 80 persons, including 17 children, died in a
fire at the
 compound on April 19, 1993, at the end of a 51-day siege.
The truth has
 never been divulged about this tragedy, and McNulty has
produced his
 two films in an effort to get the truth out to the American
public ... His
 first, "Waco: Rules of Engagement", was featured at the
Sundance
 Film Festival and was nominated for an Oscar ...

 ... Why did Delta Force feel that they had to be at Waco?
... McNulty
 said we need to ask people like Waco special counsel John
Danforth,
 Rep. Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform
 Committee and Sen. Arlen Specter and to pin these guys'
ears back
 and threaten them with prison time if they don't tell the
truth ... To get
 to the bottom of it ...

 ... What was behind the fiasco? McNulty said it had to do
with a
 number of different things ... Salvaging some FBI careers
...
 Eliminating what was fast becoming a real embarrassment for
the
 fledgling Clinton Administration ... It had to do with what
McNulty
 called "ultimate power resulting in arrogance" ... Ultimate
arrogance
 linked with the moral corruption of the Clinton
Administration ...

 ... McNulty added, however, that his own motives are not
primary
 political ... When I first met McNulty, he made it very
clear that his
 investigation was not something where he was a Conservative
going
 out to get Clinton ... He was trying to do a job in
reporting this, and the
 first documentary was so superb that it was nominated for
the Oscar ...
 If there was corruption that happened in the government, it
doesn't
 matter if they're on the left-hand or right-hand side of
the aisle, they
 have to be dealt with appropriately under the rule of law
...

 ... Either that, McNulty said, or the alternative is that
we have to
 accept Bill Clinton's definition of "is" ...

 ... McNulty referred to the statement on Waco that was just
published,
 that said that no one from the FBI or under their control
was shooting
 at the Branch Davidians ... McNulty thinks that's plausible
... But
 statements from the Defense Dept. are something else again
... The
 Defense Dept. said that as good as its information is at
this time it
 does not believe that anyone was firing from the military
... A caveat ...
 A big caveat ... They can change their minds later if they
get new
 information ... If they get caught on the video firing
weapons into the
 back of the Branch Davidian compound, then that's okay ...
They have
 a way out in saying, oh well, this is new information, so
therefore we
 fess up ...

 ... McNulty asks the question: "Gee, fellas, you're telling
me that after
 seven years you still can't tell us whether any of your
people fired on
 the Branch Davidian on April 19?" ...

 ... Federal prosecutor Bill Johnston, who warned Janet Reno
of
 possible government coverups, has resigned ... He said he
could no
 longer work with people that he could no longer respect and
trust ...

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>>
>> W A S H I N G T O N, Feb. 4
>> When a bunch of Albanians mistook Madeleine Albright for a hotel
>> cleaning lady, the secretary of state spewed a most-undiplomatic, and
>> untranslatable, stream of invective, a newspaper reports.
>> A State Department spokesman wouldnt comment on the New York Daily
>> News report that Albright was mistaken for a maid during last years peace
>> negotiations for Kosovo in Rambouillet, France.
>> Albright at first wasnt recognized by the Albanian delegation when
she
>> walked into their room, it said.
>> One member of the delegation, who didnt realize who she was, and
>> probably thinking she was some cleaning lady because it was after
midnight,
>> simply said to her, Give us five minutes and please go away, recalled
>> Albanian diplomat Dugagjin Gorani in War on Europe, a British TV program.
>> Instead, Albright exploded in rage, swearing at the group, according
to
>> the reports.
>> Mrs. Albright started using explicit language which the translators
>> never could translate into Albanian, says Veton Surroi, another member of
>> the delegation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[CTRL] Fire Heart

2000-02-05 Thread ali andrew

Title: Waco Survivor's Story(s) --True of False?

*ITNOG*
Peace
and The Blessings of God Unto All that Read this Post,
On, Friday,
February 04, 2000 2:46 PM I received this post from David Thibodeau who is a "Fire Survivor" of the
"Waco Holocaust". He was never treated for
C.S. gas poisoning, yet he maintains that he was in there? He was only at
Mt.Carmel a short while before the "Bill Clinton
Murders" were committed. He never went to prison and he and Clive Doyle are at this time suppressing the *EVIDENCE* that proves that the children and the others
were mutilated prior to the fire. What does this mean???
Well, lets look at his post first...and then the *EVIDANCE* will show us the meaning of this betrayal of the
Martyrs of Mt.Carmel.

-Original Message-From:
David Thibodeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Friday,
February 04, 2000 2:46 PM
Andrew,I think you are very
troubled. I am praying for you, that you see the reality of things and stop
listening to conspiracy theorist like Carol Valentine who attacks the truth
and THE SURVIVORS of the horrific incident. Who would target thoes who LIVED
THROUGH IT ANDREW!!! You wern't there and I was so get over it
please.David Thibodeau>Andrew,>>I think
you are very troubled. I am praying for you, that you see the>reality of
thingsThank you for your payers,
but you should save them for yourself David Thibodeau you are in greater need of them in the Light of
what you and Clive Doyle have done and are sill
doing!You are right about my being troubled. I am very troubled by what
the"Bill Clinton Murderers of the Children of
Waco" have done here. Your "Testimony"
is one of the things that troubles me most of all. Lets look at "the
reality of these things", as you have said.Why David Thibdeau do you refuse to answer basic questions,
with honesty, about why you are notin jail?And why does your
testimony about the death of the Children not hold up to the
light of common sense and truth?You state that:"My
lawyer had information on "Judge Smith" that forced him tolet me
go. He did not want that information out because it would have puthim behind
bars!"I questioned you
at the last memorial April 19,1999 about this story thatyour lawyer had
black-mailed "Judge Smith" into letting you
off. You of course confirmed this story, as you have many times on this net and
in interviews. At that time I told you that the thousands of
people that I have welcomed to Mt.Carmel weren't buying that story. I asked you
then and I will ask you now:What was this information that was so
damaging to "Judge Smith"?If what
you say is the "truth" don't you think that
you should come out with it to help those that are still in jail?Also
let me ask you this:If your lawyer had enough "Juice" to keep you out of jail; why didn't he
get the others out too? Or at the very least have their sentences
reduced?What do you say Thibodeau? The
people who care about the women and children that were Murdered by "Bill Clinton" would like to
know!!!and stop listening to conspiracy theorist like
Carol>Valentine who attacks the truth and THE SURVIVORS of the horrific
incident.
In this statement alone you reveal
yourself for who you really are.
David Koresh taught for years, before you came to
Mt.Carmel, that he and those that followed him would one day killed by the
President of the United States, (The King of The North). He said that according
to the Bible the women
would be raped and the children would be cut to pieces before the eyes of their
parents.Why is the work of Carol Valentine to
bring this *EFIDENCE* forward bothering you and
Clive Doyle? She is only asking that we look at the
*EVIDENCE*. You David
Thibodeau and Clive Doyle are not only
refusing to do this, you are attacking the one that is bringing it forward. What
can be "your" motives for suppressing this
information? Are you afraid of that it shows both of you and Clive Doyle to be among the Clinton
Murders? Lets have a look at this *EVIDANCE*
and see why both You and
Clive Doyle are suppressing it.
Before we look
at your "Testimony" lets look at the *EVIDENCE* that proves that neither you nor Clive Doyle are followers of David
Koresh.
You and Doyle state that the children died from the fire,
gun shot wounds and mutilation from the bunker falling on them. You have even
suggested that they were shot by their own parents and or set the fire
themselves! Both of you follow the government line that the people died on the
19th of April 1993, but the *EVIDENCE* does
not show that at all. Neither does the *EVIDENCE*show
that the bunker collapsed on them causing decapitation and mutilation, but you,
David Thibodeau and Clive
Doyle, follow the Clinton lies, by saying that
it did!
The *EVIDENCE* you are suppressing shows you and Doyle to be two of the sickest liars in the whole
"Waco Holocaust" Here is the
ev

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

**
Clinton Countdown

Today is February 4, 2000.  There are only 351 days remaining in the Clinton
presidency.  And to help stop his hyperactive heir apparent, Al âThe
Terminatorâ Gore, weâre coming to you today from Casper, Wyoming - where Iâm
with a crack team from the RNC conducting a âNuts & Boltsâ training seminar
for candidates and party leaders on dealing with the media.  Iâm joining Mike
Collins, the RNCâs press secretary, and Rob Engstrom, political director from
the Co-Chairâs office.  Iâm also freezing my keister off (weâre not in Vegas
anymore, Toto) - but anything for the cause, right?

***
Liar, Liar ... Pants on Fire

âThatâs the first honest thing theyâve said in 10 days.â

- Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerry - who has an artificial leg as a result of the
Vietnam war - on being called a âcrippleâ by Gore supporters in New
Hampshire
last weekend


An Unusually Bad Liar

âBut the way Al Gore won (in New Hampshire) may come back to haunt him.  He
waged a relentlessly negative campaign, engaging in distortions and
misrepresentations. ... These tactics have produced cynicism toward Mr. Gore
in the national press that may be more intense than at any time since Richard
Nixon.  When Democratic congressional leaders Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt
last weekend put out a statement assailing Bill Bradley for initiating
negative campaigning, it was treated like a joke.â

- Columnist Al Hunt, Wall Street Journal, 2/3/00

***
Groundhogâs Day for Dubya

âToday being Groundhog Day, it seems rather appropriate that George W. Bush
awoke today to see John McCainâs shadow - indicating that there will be at
least six more weeks of primary contests.â

- Ron Gunzburger, Politics1, 2/2/00

***
Dubya:  GOPâs Edsel?

âFor several years George W. Bush assembled a campaign apparatus capable of
backing his candidacy with even more marketing power, relative to
competitors, than Ford Motor Company put behind the Edsel.  Now he has 16
days, until South Carolina votes, to prove that he is not, like that car, a
product designed in disregard of changing market forces.â

- Columnist George Will, Washington Post Writers Group, 2/3/00

*
Clinton Impeached, Convicted in N.H. Primary

âThe Senate may not have convicted President Clinton, but in their fashion
New Hampshire voters just did. ... This is the only way to explain this
weekâs rebellion of the nonrebellious, in which voters of both parties
elevated two insurgent candidates despite peace and prosperity as broad as
any in 75 years.  Republican John McCain trounced George W. Bush by running
explicitly as the anti-Clinton.  Bill Bradley nearly beat a sitting vice
president because he finally, in the last week, linked presidential trust to
Democratic principles and their chances in November.â

- Columnist Paul Gigot, Wall Street Journal, 2/3/00

*
The Anti-Clinton Candidate

âBill Clinton was the 800-pound gorilla in the New Hampshire primary.  More
precisely, the issue of PRESIDENTIAL CHARACTER is the electionâs 800-pound
gorilla. ... Folks, John McCain is the Anti-Clinton Candidate, and he beat
his opponent by 20 points.  In his victory speech, the Senator grabbed the
gorilla issue by the throat and shook it at America just so:  âIt is the
beginning of the end of the truth-twisting politics of Bill Clinton and Al
Gore.ââ

- Wall Street Journal editorial, 2/3/00

*
Whoâs Tough Enough to Whup the Terminator?

âAs Mr. Bushâs campaign moves on, we may get a clearer answer as to whether
he is in fact capable of finding in himself the fight and spirit required to
win a presidential contest.  This question is particularly relevant against
an opponent like Albert Gore, whose ferocious determination to win no one
will dispute.  It is one thing to watch Mr. Gore debate Bill Bradley - his
equal in confidence, if not in debating skills - and another to try to
imagine Mr. Bush in such a contest with the Vice President.  ...Mr. Gore has
proved himself, over and over, a campaigner who has at his command a fire in
the belly and bare-knuckled toughness it would be hard to match.  It is hard
to imagine him being bested by the candidate the Republican high command
appears to have chosen for the job.  For that assignment, there would appear
to be only one appropriate candidate.  The voters of New Hampshire have
chosen him.â

- Dorothy Rabinowitz, editorial board, Wall Street Journal, 2/3/00

*

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   Microwaving Water to Heat it Up

I feel that the following is information that any one who uses a
microwave oven to heat water should be made aware of.  About five days ago my
26-year old son decided to have a cup of instant coffee.
   He took a cup  of water and put it in the microwave to heat it up
(something that he had done numerous times before).  I am not sure how long
he set the timer for
but he told me he wanted to bring the water to a boil.
   When the timer shut the oven off, he removed the cup from the oven.  As he
looked into the cup he noted that the water was not boiling but instantly the
water in
the cup "blew up" into his face. The cup remained intact until he threw it
out of his hand but all the water had flew out into his face due to the
buildup of energy.  His whole face is blistered and he has 1st and 2nd degree
burns to his face which may leave scarring.  He also may have lost partial
sight in his left eye.

   While at the hospital, the doctor who was attending to him stated that
this a fairly common occurrence and water (alone) should never be heated in a
microwave oven.  If water is heated in this manner, something should be
placed in the cup to diffuse the energy such as a wooden stir stick, tea bag,
etc. It is however a much safer choice to boil the water in a tea kettle.
Please pass this information on to friends and family

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PUBLISHER'S NOTE: Sunday, 6 February, will be President Ronald
Reagan's 89th birthday. Nancy Reagan says his health has taken a
marked downturn in recent months. Your Editorial Board requests your
prayers for President Reagan and his family this Sunday.   In his
honor, The Federalist will be launching Reagan2000, the Internet's
most comprehensive resource on President Reagan's life and
achievements, and a touchstone for all conservatives going forward. We
will release details on the site in next Tuesday's Brief.

In the news this week, you may have heard that there was a primary
held in New Hampshire Tuesday.  The big winners: Just one, John
McCain.  The big losers: Mr. Bush and all the media pundits and
pollsters.  Mr. McCain quipped, "I think we finally have a poll
without a margin of error."  A Bush staffer noted, "You can't spin
this one.  This was an old-fashioned [butt] kicking."

Mr. Forbes helped Mr. McCain eat into the Bush "lead" but could not
break 15%.  Alan Keyes picked up 6% and, by a wide margin, conducted
the least expensive campaign-per-vote received. Ambassador Keyes
continues to elevate the Republican debate and prevent too much stray
constitutional mischief from others on the stage. Gary Bauer, who
collected only 1%, said, "It's obvious I'm going to have to win some
of these." Mr. Bauer has done some of his life's best work as
president of the Family Research Council.  We encourage him to find
his way back there soon!

For more on Mr. McCain's victory and Mr. Bush's problem, see this
week's Second Opinion, "Road Bumps Ahead?"

Comment...

"Commenting on how he raised money for liberal Democrats, television
producer Norman Lear observed, 'The relationship between Hollywood and
Washington is as natural as a marriage.'  That may explain why so many
Americans are as skeptical about Washington politics as they are about
Hollywood marriages." --Natasha Clerihue

Query...

Why did not a single justice of the Supreme Court show up for Mr.
Clinton's final State of the Disunion address?

The big lie...

"My fellow Americans, the state of our union is the strongest it has
ever been." --Bill Clinton, still looking for a legacy.

On the political front...

Mr. Bush picked up strong military endorsements going into the South
Carolina primary. Gen. Charles C. Krulak called Bush "a man of
character and leadership" with "a solid experience base."  Mr. Bush
also received the endorsement of the national Vietnam and Gulf War
Veterans Coalition (a federation of 102 veterans groups), and the
Coalition of Retired Military Veterans.

Mr. Keyes picked up some high-profile endorsements, particularly from
David Schippers, a registered Democrat who was chief counsel to the
House Impeachment Panel.
"There are many good and decent men seeking the office of President of
the United States," said Schippers. "There is, however, only one who
will be able to lead this country back to the status of Moral Leader
of the World that it once enjoyed. And once that goal is achieved all
else will follow. That man is Alan Keyes."

After a brief detour through Delaware, the South Carolina primary is
19 February, followed by Arizona and Michigan on the 22nd.  The
Confederate Battle Flag, which has flown over South Carolina's capitol
building for 38 years (as first ordered up by then-Governor Demo Fritz
Hollings), remains a hot point of debate between the left and right --
and a point of irony it is.

It was Jefferson's old Democratic Party, which fought for states'
rights under the Confederate flag, while Lincoln's old Republican
party fought against states' rights to preserve the union. Now,
Clinton's New Democratic Party candidates advocate an all-powerful
central government, while Ronald Reagan's New Republican Party
candidates advocate the restoration of federalism's historic context
(a central government with very limited authority by today's
standards).  Thus, Republicans say the Confederate flag flies over the
state house in Columbia at the sole discretion of the people of South
Carolina, while the Democrats want to nationalize the issue.  The
world turned upside-down!

>From Bore2000 -- The "Family Values" Campaign...

Al Gore's new mantra: "I'm for a woman's right to choose!"  Choose
what -- hair color? The Fed

[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARD AUSTRIA

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>From Rayelan
To: Rumor Mill News Readers

The enclosed  article on Austria and Joerg Haider is old news by now it
has been on the Forum since the 1st, but I have not been able to send it via
AOL and/or onelinst.com  However, the more news that comes out in the media,
the more I am sure my analysis of the Austrian crisis is accurate. I urge you
to read the part I have sent. You will understand the true cause of this so
called "crisis".

There are a number of new posts on the Forum regarding the coming crisis in
oil, gold and bonds.  It appears to a number of us that by Monday, the
financial world could be thrown into chaos and crisis.

Our attention is being diverted by the crash of AlaskaAir 261, Elian, John
McCain, Hillary and other riveting stories. But behind the scenes, it appears
that we are in for an immediate and serious problem in the financial world.
In the past, our government has diverted our attention with wars.

At this moment, the United States has seized a Russian tanker. How long will
it be before the Russians label this an act of war? If war is needed, the
situation has  already been created which can escalate into war instantly.

It is my belief that the current situation in the world:

The breakdown of the peace agreement in Ireland, with the threat of British
invasion

The breakdown of the Israel-Palestinian peace talks

The seizing of the Russian ship by Americans

The crisis in Austria

Problems in the bond market

The rise of gold prices

The rise of oil

Potential major scandal for Clinton and the Democrats

Can  cause our current leadership to rely on his old and trusted diversionary
measures WAR! Take a look at the articles on the Forum and decide for
yourself.
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===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY===

Dateline: February 1, 2000

WHY THE EUROPEAN UNION REALLY OPPOSES AUSTRIA’S JOERG HAIDER

or...

WITH ENEMIES LIKE THE BILDERBERGERS AND MORRIS DEES,

HAIDER CAN’T BE ALL BAD

By Rayelan Allan

In the past few days, the European Union has been warning Austria that if
they allow Joerg Haider, the head of the Freedom Party, to form a coalition
government, the 14 nations that make up the European Union will
diplomatically isolate Austria.

In an official statement, issued out of Portugal, the European Union
threatened Austria. The official position of the EU warns that if Austria
allows the lawfully elected members of the Austrian Freedom Party, to take
part in their own government, that the members of the European Union will
diplomatically “snub” their ambassadors and all other representatives of
Austria.

The Portuguese prime minister justified the EU’s position by stating “We
have to send a very clear signal that behavior os a racist or xenophobic
character will not be tolerated within the European Union.”

Haider responded by stating, “If Austria bows to foreign pressure, then we
might as well abolish democracy in this country straight away.”

Austrian leaders, even those who oppose Haider, were dumbfounded by the
attack on their sovereignty by the European Union. Other European leaders are
also taking another look at the enormous power they have given to the EU, and
wonder when the EU will turn their wrath on them.

The European Union should know that it cannot threaten Austria or Austrians.
In 1986, after 10 years at the helm of the United Nations, Austrian Kurt
Waldheim entered the race for President of Austria. All European nations
banded together to decry Austria’s Nazi inclinations. They labeled Waldheim a
Nazi and stated that he took part in sending Jews to gas chambers. Waldheim
denied the charge. Pressure was put on President Reagan by the international
bankers who own the Federal Reserve and direct the New World Order. Reagan
was forced to ban Waldheim from the United States.

The Austrian people were so angered by the world’s reaction to Waldheim, who
was one of the guiding lights in Austria after WWII, that he was elected
PresidentTWICE!

The Austrian people are different. They are one family. They treat their
country as responsible home owners treat their own private property. There is
no graffiti, no garbage, no slums. The transportation system is so good that
cars are not necessary. However, if you want to drive a car, the roads in
Austria are well maintained, scenic, clean and beautiful.

There are no homeless sleeping on the street, virtually no poor and crime is
almost non existent. The year I was in Vienna, there had been no murders and
only one rape. Women could walk in safety anywhere in Vienna at any time of
the day or night.

Austrians pay almost 50% of their salary in taxes, but they get a lot for
their money. Their health care is one of the most advanc

[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] EGYPTAIR PILOT SEEKS ASYLUM--FLIGHT 990 INFORMATION


This is very interesting item; fyi.




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PILOT WITH INFO ON 990 SEEKS ASYLUM
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EGYPTAIR PILOT WITH INFO ON 990 SEEKS ASYLUM
Posted By: RMN-AGENT 009
Date: Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 1:06 a.m.

EgyptAir Says Pilot Asks for Asylum

"...pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, asked for asylum, saying "he has information on
the EgyptAir crash."

Updated 8:06 PM ET February 4, 2000

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - An EgyptAir pilot who claims to have information about
the crash of one of the airline's planes last year that killed everyone on
board reportedly has asked for political asylum in Britain.

The official Middle East News Agency carried a statement Friday by EgyptAir
quoting the airline's chairman, Mohammed Fahim Rayan, as saying that the
pilot, Hamdi Hanafi Taha, had asked for asylum, saying "he has information on
the EgyptAir crash."

But the report said that Taha "does not have any connection to or knowledge
about the cause of the plane crash."

The Oct. 31 EgyptAir crash off the eastern coast of the United States killed
all 217 people aboard. The plane went down in the ocean 40 minutes into an
11-hour flight from New York to Cairo.

A team of American and Egyptian investigators has yet to release any official
findings on the cause of the crash. Some U.S. sources have said the U.S.
National Transportation and Safety Board is working on the theory the plane
was brought down deliberately by a copilot who died in the crash.

Egyptian officials have dismissed that possibility, saying instead that they
believe an as-yet unexplained problem in the plane's tail section was
responsible for the crash.

State-owned EgyptAir's brief statement did not elaborate on whether Taha
claimed to have information about the copilot on the ill-fated jet.

Both the Egyptian government and public have condemned as outrageous and
insulting any speculation that an Egyptian pilot may have committed suicide
and killed innocent people in the downing of Flight 990.

If Taha has information contradicting that stand, he may fear being
ostracized - or worse - in a country where human rights activists have been
jailed for speech considered harmful to the national interest.

Taha flew a planeload of passengers to London earlier Friday and made his
asylum request at Heathrow Airport.

In London, a spokesman for the Home Office, when asked if an EgyptAir pilot
had requested asylum, said: "We can confirm an Egyptian national has sought
entry into the U.K. and his application is being considered by the
immigration services." The spokesman refused to elaborate.

The plane Taha had flown to London returned to Cairo as scheduled early
Saturday piloted by reserve pilot Mohammed Salama. Upon arrival in Cairo,
Salama told reporters only that the crew had seen Taha being escorted away by
police in London.

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Arizona is going to send a bold clarion call to the President of the United
States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United
States House of Representatives and each Member of Congress from the State of
Arizona.

For too long, the federal government has usurped powers not only not
contitutionally granted--but actually constitutionally prohibited-- from the
sovereign States and from "We, the People".

President Clinton has systematically trashed the Constitution while Congress
has both actively and passively abetted him. There must be constitutional
accountabilty or you can kiss Liberty goodbye!

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical
Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of
freedom to Americans..."  "And so a lot of people say there's too much
personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to
limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the
Housing Projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things
like that to try to make the people feel safer in their
communities"--President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough".

Now read the following.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure
these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or
to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most
likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate
that Governments long established should not be changed for light and
transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are
more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves
by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their
future security."  --Declaration of Independence

We as Americans have failed in our duty as mandated by our Founding Fathers.
The Arizona Resolution below is good as far as it goes and EVERY state should
have at least a similar one. However, we also need to have an elected
Constitutional Scholar Committee to review all federal laws and eliminate all
laws not meeting strict Constitutional standards. In addition, we need a
"Sundown Amendment" that is retroactive. The old saying that ignorance of
the law is ludicrous! It would take a Cray computer to hold them all. While
we are at it, that Amendment should also state no law  may be longer in
length than the original Constitution and must be in simple english rather
than legalese. We have had too much of "depends on what the meaning of 'is'
is"! One final admonition in the new Amendment should be each future Bill
must pertain to only  the stated subject and no last minute, back-door
amendments irrelevant to the subject will be allowed. It is time we apply the
KISS principle to government--"Keep it simple, stupid!" Just think of how
many bureaucratic agencies we could rid ourselves of and how many billions of
dollars would remain in our pockets.

We, the People must get involved and we must slay the leviathan while we
still can--if it isn't already too late.

Lynell Milner

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000164.  Commentary: No shortchanging defense

by William S. Cohen
Secretary of Defense

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- President Clinton shortly will send to Congress a
defense budget that sustains United States leadership throughout the world.
It provides men and women in uniform the resources they need to remain the
world's preeminent military force.  Most important, it supports our people
and the quality of life that our military members and their families
deserve.

This budget continues the administration's commitment for the first real
defense increase in over a decade, maintaining current readiness.  It also
meets the Joint Chiefs' goal of $60 billion for modernization of major
weapon systems and preserving our unparalleled technological superiority in
the future.  And it supports our troops with higher pay, improved housing
and other quality-of-life initiatives that enable us to retain the highly
qualified men and women who are the core of our military capability.

H. L. Mencken observed that cynics are those who, when they smell flowers,
look for a coffin.  While not all in America's military can be said to be
coming up roses, the spate of recent commentaries that our armed forces are
broken, debilitated or demoralized fails to comport with reality.

Consider any recent operation the military has conducted around the world
and the results are similar to those achieved in Kosovo, where we
demonstrated that we have the most precise, most lethal, most versatile,
best equipped and best trained forces on Earth.

Some charge that peacekeeping deployments are depleting military morale.
Admittedly, troops can't train for a major theater war responsibility while
deployed in Bosnia or Kosovo.  But they gain valuable experience and
leadership skills when deployed there, and quickly shift their training
focus once back at home station.  If improved retention rates for these
deployed units are an indicator, morale actually goes up when the troops see
that they can make a difference in places such as Tuzla and Urosevac.

Because of the increased pace of these operations, the Defense Department
watches readiness indicators, operational tempo and the impact on our people
very closely.  We are using reserve forces to take the burden off our
first-to-fight units.  We have increased funding for maintenance and spare
parts, and we are changing the way we operate.

The Air Force has become an expeditionary force, giving its airmen and their
families greater deployment predictability.  The Navy is embracing new ship
designs that will mean fewer sailors at sea at any one time.  The Army is
transforming itself into a lighter, more mobile force to deal with new
threats.  The Marine Corps has developed new capabilities to fight in an
urban environment, not just on remote shores.

Several journalists and academicians point to a cultural divide between the
military and the larger American society.  Clearly, we demand higher
standards from those who wear the uniform than we do of civilians.  This is
not a negative factor but a positive one that Americans continue to value.
The military remains the most respected institution in our society.  The
American people recognize that our prosperity at home rests in part on the
foundation of stability that our forces help maintain abroad, in areas such
as Korea, the Balkans and the Persian Gulf.

We ask much of our men and women in uniform.  They are on call 24 hours a
day and understand they will be regularly deployed, relocated and restricted
in their lifestyle because of the unique demands of military life.  They are
prepared to lead troops into deadly conflict.  They are trained to use
lethal, cutting-edge technology.  They can also be called upon to manage
complex battlefields that include combatants and civilians, using the skills
of both warrior and diplomat, as they are today in Bosnia and Kosovo.

The long economic boom makes it challenging to recruit enough qualified
soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines to fill our ranks.  We are competing
with colleges and civilian industry for America's best and brightest.  We
are looking for more effective ways to recruit young men and women to serve
in the military and we need America's help to be successful.  We can't pay
them enough for what they do, but we are paying, and will continue to pay,
them more and provide them an improved quality of life.

We will continue to devote the resources that we need to ensure that we
remain the best trained, best equipped, best led and most respected military
in the future; one that is fully capable of defending our national interests
worldwide.  (Courtesy of American Forces Press Service)


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American Forces Information Service

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- You can tell it's an election year, because th

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Hon Richard Danzig
U.S. SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington DC  20350-1000

Dear Secretary Danzig:

We are adding our voice to the chorus of veteran's groups calling for
the combat decorations of Senator John McCain to be revoked. National
newspaper columns by Col. David Hackworth and former Green Beret
Ted Sampley have pointed out that to get the Silver Star and other
decorations, the sworn testimony of two witnesses is required. Why
were these requirements waived only for Senator Mccain and his 28
mendals?

Is it because he is the son of a 4-star Admiral?

The medals awarded are questionable in themselves as they reward
mcCain for his alleged "Outstanding resistance" while a prisoner of
war(POW) in Hanoi. McCain has admitted he collaborated and gave vital
secrets about the Aircraft Carriers Oriskany and Forrestal in order
to get a hospital operation for wounds he received when he ejected.
Mccain was still signing "War criminal confessions" and making radio
broadcasts to American pilots and soldiers urging them to surrender
and refuse orders to fight five years after his wounds healed.

Also, returned POWs USAF Colonels Larson and Guy say they doubt
McCain was ever tortured at any time in any way. McCain returned from
captivity weighing 10 pounds heavier than when captured. There is a
picture of him eating a large meal in the Foreign Ministry where he
allowed himself to be interviwed for a newspaper article he knew would
be published in Havana. He was wearing a jogging suit under his prison
pajamas. No other returned POW said they received hospital surgery,
got a jogging suit for the cold winter or had a big meal in the
Foreign Ministry. So much for McCain's "Outstanding Resistance in
Keeping with the Navy's Highest Traditions"!

SEcretary Danzig, from your window you can gaze over Arlington National
Cemetary full of real heroes and brave men who earned their medals
the hard way, the honest way and we owe these men our highest regards
and respect. To allow John McCain to keep his is a travesty and a
desecration to all veterans everywhere living and dead. McCain's
posession of these medals renders my own worthless.

We demand a full investigation of this matter as to why strict Navy
Regulations were flagrantly violated and that his medals be returned
to your desk pending the outcome of the investigation.

  Joe L. Jordan
  Navy Squadron VQ-1(Ret.)
  147 missions over NVN 67-68
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Dear Brigade,

Interesting Wall Street Journal article below about Donald Trump and how he
owns only 30% of Trump Place, the new 75 acre Trump development near
the UN in Manhattan.  According to the WSJ, the majority owners are Hong
Kong investors.  This sounds like Trump's own ChinaGate.  These Hong
Kong investors are the same Chinese moguls who finance the factories
throughout China and Asia which take advantage of our free trade policy -- to
take our manufacturing jobs and destroy so many of our communities.

GO PAT GO!
Linda

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THE WALL STREET JOURNAL - January 19, 2000
Commercial Real Estate
Trump's Billions Are Based on Profits
That Are Far in the Developer's Future

By LINDA SANDLER

Donald Trump, who hates to shake hands, happily pumps the grimy hands of
construction workers who are laying the 19th floor of his latest condominium
project, Trump World Tower. "That's good working dirt," he explains, glancing
at Manhattan's United Nations buildings below.

All of the 53-year-old developer's site tours these days are practice for a
possible $100 million presidential run, which he says he'll announce a
decision on soon. "I'm rich and I'm successful," Mr. Trump says. "Isn't that
the kind of president you want?"

Well, maybe. But just how rich and how successful is Mr. Trump? He puts
his net worth at $5 billion, and indeed lives a lavish lifestyle, including a
gold-
lettered 727 jet and helicopter, a penthouse apartment in Trump Tower on
Fifth Avenue, assorted houses and long-legged models.

But a look at the major sources of his wealth, including the Trump Place
apartment development on New York City's west side, the 70-story Trump
World Tower project and the midtown General Motors Building, shows that
several of his billions are based on profits that are far in the future --
and far
from guaranteed.

"Donald exaggerates sometimes. He's talking of futures," says Mr. Trump's
aide, Abraham Wallach, executive vice president of Trump Organization.
Indeed, many real-estate professionals privately assert that Mr. Trump's real
worth, consisting of assets and fees that are more or less in hand, falls far
short of the $1.6 billion tallied by Forbes magazine.

This needn't hurt Mr. Trump's chances with the Reform Party he's espousing.
"What blue-collar workers [who are the core of the party] really like about
Trump is he's a rich guy who got knocked down, and he got up off the mat,"
says Roger Stone, who is running the pre-campaign, referring to Mr. Trump's
reverses and the Trump casinos' bankruptcy reorganization in the early 90s.

Touting his wealth Mr. Trump says, "I have assets you don't even know
about." However, he isn't as big as he says.

Take Trump Place, which he deems "the largest development ever approved
by the New York City Planning Commission." Finished, it would have 16
apartment buildings on 75 acres. Entitled to 30% of future profit, Mr. Trump
says it's already worth $2 billion to $3 billion to him, making it appear the
biggest single component of his net worth. But only two buildings are
complete, with richly appointed lobbies and great views but cut off from the
Hudson River by an elevated highway. A third building has just begun.
Meanwhile, the Hong Kong investors who control the development tried to
sell part of it in 1998, but couldn't get the price they wanted from bidders
such as Related Cos.

If the market turns down, it could take 10 years to make a profit, Mr.
Wallach
says. He maintains that in 10 years Mr. Trump could still "walk away with $1
billion." But factoring in uncertainty and delay that $1 billion would have
to be
severely discounted when tallying Mr. Trump's current net worth.

Mr. Trump's Atlantic City casinos show the danger of counting chickens
before they hatch. Two years ago, he shopped the casinos for $1 billion --
Mr. Trump now says he was only thinking of selling part of the company. But
his 42% stake today is valued in the market at a mere $50 million or so.
"That's my biggest sleeper," he says.

Counting his wealth, Mr. Trump may be a bit premature, too, with the $360
million Trump World Tower project, where he boasts of having put up only
$6.5 million, or 10% of the equity, to get 50% of the profit. Typically Mr.
Trump, having once lost his shirt, risks little money but earns a profit --
paid
only after lenders and partners get their money back -- by acting as
developer and promoter. He currently values his stake in what will be very
fancy waterfront condos at $250 million. To get that number, he assumes
condo prices will keep rising through the sales period ending in mid- to late-
2002.

But conservative accounting would require Mr. Trump to discount -- by 20%
to 30%, say real-estate investors -- the $250 million he expects from Trump
World Tower, as the money is three years away and may be re

[CTRL] Fwd: Loud noises heard before crash


No work for long time re Oglala Indians, who were holding books hostage
while asking removal of treasurer for theft and fraud..noted Indian
Affairs involved here and still wonder and Indians on scene for lives
lost.

.am also still wondering about Payne Stewarts plane, JFK Jr's plane,
Flight 990, Flight 800 and of course at least we are spared the TV press
interviews oh how I hate those press interviews - this plane and
JFK's plane upside down in water - most of all I wonder why Clinton
would have caused Payne Stewart's plane to be shot down...


Loud noises heard before crash  NBC's Hager: Something likely broke
off jet's tail  Le Thanh relights a candle Friday at a makeshift
memorial on the beach at Port Hueneme, Calif., for the victims of Alaska
Airlines Flight 261.
 MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS
PORT HUENEME, Calif., Feb. 4   The cockpit recorder aboard Alaska
Airlines Flight 261 captured a loud noise just before the MD-83 went out
of control and plunged into the ocean, a federal investigator said
Friday. NBC's aviation reporter, Robert Hager, said the startling new
information means the stabilizer or something back in the tail finally
broke apart from the stress of whatever had gone wrong earlier in the
flight.
   
 
 
 
 
NBC's Robert Hager reports Friday on the latest on the Alaska Airlines
crash investigation.
       THE NOISE was one of two revealed by analysis of the
cockpit voice recorder, said John Hammerschmidt, a member of the
National Transportation Safety Board.
       The tape revealed new details of what occurred on the
flight in its last minutes as the pilots struggled to control a problem
with the horizontal stabilizer  the wide part of the tail that keeps
a plane flying level.
       According to the recorder, 20 minutes or more after
problems with the stabilizer started, the plane suddenly dropped for
about a minute and a half. Moments later, a bang was heard in the back
of the plane. The flight attendant called the cockpit crew to report it
but the pilots said they'd heard it too.
       Then minutes later, yet another bang was heard and about
a minute after that, the plane fell from the sky.
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Hager said the new information doesn't explain what originally went
wrong but he said it does seem to explain why the plane went down in the
end. He said if the noise hadn't happened, the crew might have been able
to make an emergency landing at Los Angeles International Airport in
spite of the jet's earlier problems.
       Instead, the plane nose-dived into the Pacific Ocean en
route from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to San Francisco and Seattle on
Monday, killing all 88 aboard.
       
FAST-MOVING INVESTIGATION
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       Information from the cockpit voice recorder is adding to
the building evidence of clues as to what happened on the doomed flight.
       The key initial steps in the investigation have been
conducted remarkably quickly. Both recorders have been retrieved, and
the mapping of the debris field, expected to take two to three days,
will likely be completed Friday, Hammerschmidt said.
       A Navy vessel using side-scan sonar to map debris in the
Santa Barbara Channel about 10 miles from shore appeared to show the
debris in a single concentration within an area the size of a football
field, and the survey was continuing one mile out in each direction, he
said.
       Some of the debris has been videotaped by a
remote-operated underwater vehicle  a process sailors call "mowing
the lawn." Most of the debris examined so far were pieces about 5 feet
or 6 feet long, but there was a section of fuselage estimated to be 10
feet long.
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Watch MSNBC Cable for coverage of this and other stories      
 The submersible has sent up video of the tail and a 5-foot section of
the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, Hammerschmidt said. The
stabilizer is 40 feet long.
       After the mapping is done, remote-operated vehicles like
the one that salvaged the plane's "black box" flight recorders will be
sent down to take video images and eventually help retrieve bodies and
wreckage.
       "You can't do it overnight," said Navy Capt. Terry
Labrecque. "You have to be methodical."
       Compared to other crashes, the investigation into Flight
261 is moving very quickly. By contrast, after the SwissAir plane went
down off Nova Scotia, it was four days before just one of the plane's
two recorders was found. Four days after TWA 800 crashed, investigators
weren't close to finding either recorder: search boats hadn't yet heard
pinging noises. Four days after the EgyptAir plane hit the water, it was
so stormy boats couldn't even get out and couldn't

[CTRL] [NA] Big Media IS the 90 lb. Gorilla of 2000 Election


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Subject: [NA] Big Media IS the 90 lb. Gorilla of 2000 Election
Date: Monday, January 31, 2000 5:19 AM

www.networkamerica.org

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin

January 30, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire

Big Media IS the 90 lb. Gorilla of 2000 Election

Again today we see the Establishment Media pushing hard and uniformly
for the two-man race propaganda in both Major Party New Hampshire
Primaries to be held this Tuesday, Feb. 1, 2000. Tim Russert, Sam &
Cokie, Tony Snow, CNN, Evans, Novak, Hunt and Shields  all playing up
Bush, Gore, McCain, and Bradley as the only game in town. In the last
week we have witnessed Media full court press campaign to narrow the
race in the two major parties down to these four, two in each party.

You might say that Network America website and listserve not only wants
to educate the populace on what constitutes a verifiable, honest
election, -- not only wants to organize honest citizens by precinct and
county across the United States  but also wants to expose how the Big
Media works in unison -- as one unit -- to direct the American people.
We want to be a part of breaking the power of the Big Media through
helping to destroy its credibility. This is the promise and exciting
potential of the internet, where independent news and opinion rule, as
the modern lingo goes.

Consider this: The Manchester Union Leader, an independent paper still
at this hour, has aggressively endorsed Steve Forbes. They are hammering
away at Bush and McCain in front page editorials everyday. Even though,
Forbes is a mere pathetic shadow of the candidate that Buchanan was four
years ago, and even though what Steve Forbes is about is still a
question in my mind --- lets hope that Forbes, Keyes, and the New
Hampshire Union Leader can turn the Big Media on their heads, as
Buchanan and the New Hampshire Union Leader was able to do last time
(maybe with a little help in that 1996 contest from our Manchester Union
Leader Citizens for a Fair Vote Count sponsored ad Dont Let Anyone
Steal This election from Pat which appeared on the day of the Primary
election, Feb. 20, 2000  see our archives, votefraud section at
www.networkamerica.org).

Forget the Democratic race. It means nothing, as both men are equally
useful to the Ruling Elite. I firmly believe that Bradley was coaxed
into the race and backed by the Eisners and the Geffens just so it
wouldnt be too obvious that we already have a Soviet America in many
ways.

On the GOP side, theyre telling us that the Big Polls show McCain
around 35%  - 40%, Bush around 30% - 35%, Forbes at 10% - 15%, and Keyes
at 8% - 12%. Since New Hampshire is the only handcounted primary (all
the rest will be computer-generated results), then lets hope theres a
massive upset of the Poll numbers. 70% of New Hampshire is handcounted
by the local citizens, 30% is computer genereated and citizens are not
allowed to count or double-check their own votes on election day in
these computerized areas.

For new readers, remember that it was in hand-counted New Hampshire that
all 4 big TV networks, using the identical same exit polls provided to
them all by Voter News Service, projected Bob Smith to lose the 1996 NH
U.S. Senate race; BUT, as the handcounted, non-computer generated votes,
trickled in from around the Live Free or Die State  Smith pulled
ahead and won! Lets hope something like that happens again.

Well be varying the subject matter in this e-wire after Tuesday, but
for now, with new readers coming aboard everyday, I want to stay focused
on New Hampshire and the recent Iowa Caucuses. Best Wishes to all --

Jim Condit Jr.,
Director Citizens for a Fair Vote Count

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