[CTRL] Miami Protesters Rage at Clinton over Elian Reunion (fwd)
Miami Protesters Rage at Clinton over Elian Reunion Margarita Martin-Hildago April 21, 2000 MIAMI (Reuters) - Cuban American protesters denounced President Clinton on Friday for urging the reunion of Cuban castaway Elian Gonzalez and his father and said they would try to stop U.S. agents from removing Elian from his Miami home. About 60 Cuban exiles demonstrated at the Little Havana home of Elian's great-uncle Lazaro, who has been looking after the 6-year-old since he survived a migrant boat sinking last November in which his mother and 10 others died. The exiles, who support Elian's Miami relatives in their bid to prevent the U.S. government from returning the boy to communist-ruled Cuba, waved Cuban and U.S. flags and posters attacking the Clinton administration. One poster depicted Attorney General Janet Reno as the devil and another read: "Clinton, Craig, Fidel, you made a deal in hell!" -- referring to Greg Craig, the lawyer representing Elian's father, and Cuba's President Fidel Castro. "We can expect anything from a president who did not know how to respect the White House, who used it like a motel," said Luis Fernandez, 56. "If I had to give my life for the boy, I will. I will fight with my teeth." On Thursday Clinton said there was "no conceivable argument" against a reunion of father and son after a federal appeals court ruled that the boy should remain in the United States pending the Miami relatives' appeals. The White House said Friday it was time for the relatives to hand the boy over to his father but said no decision had yet been taken to remove him against their will. Both a Florida family court and a U.S. District court in Miami have rejected the relatives' legal attempts to prevent the boy's return to Cuba. The great-uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, appealed the federal court decision to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, asking for a political asylum hearing for the boy. That court this week ordered Elian to stay in the United States pending appeals. The Miami relatives, backed by hard-line anti-communist exile groups, say Elian would have a better future in the United States. His father, Cuban tourism worker Juan Miguel Gonzalez, traveled to Washington more than two weeks ago to reclaim his son and take him back to Cuba. Some of the Little Havana demonstrators who have kept a constant vigil at the modest home where Elian has been living said they believe Clinton has made a deal with Castro. Loli Garcia, 58, said she believed the U.S. president was using Elian to pay legal fees he owes to Craig, one of the lawyers who successfully defended Clinton against impeachment in the Monica Lewinsky scandal and who now is representing Elian's father. "Castro pays for the law debt and Clinton gives him the boy," she said. Jose Basulto, founder of the exile group Brothers to the Rescue, said he and other community leaders have urged Cuban Americans to remain peaceful. But he said he feared demonstrators will be provoked by Cuban government agitators and agents of the Clinton administration. "They (the administration) would like the news story to be about the violence and not about the betrayal and the crime against the boy," Basulto said. The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel reported Friday that a group of ex-soldiers was quietly guarding the Gonzalez home to prevent U.S. agents from taking Elian. The group, calling itself Cuban People's Dignity Movement and equipped with radio scanners and a dog, was maintaining a 24-hour watch on the home, the newspaper said. "We fought on the beaches of Korea, the rice fields of Vietnam and the sands of Iraq," the newspaper quoted one member of the group as saying. "And we are willing to sacrifice our lives to make sure Elian stays in this country." The Miami relatives have said they will not willingly turn Elian over to the government but will not resist if U.S. agents come to the house to take the boy. Some protesters have vowed to form a "human chain" to keep authorities out while others said they did not expect a violent confrontation. "I do not know how I am going to react," Rebecca Rodriguez said. "I do not think I will be violent but they are going to have to walk over me." P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
[CTRL] Red-Brown, Buchanan/Fulani, Bill White fan club
http://books.dreambook.com/nrkybill/uapvisitors.html Comments: Bill's commentary on the left-right ideological synthesis exemplified by the Buchanan-Fulani alliance may be among his best yet. A new ideological current is indeed developing however I believe that Buchanan-Fulani represent this current in its embryonic stage only. Essentially, "First World" countries like the U.S. are now in the position that the "Third World" found itself in during the twentieth century-an exploited working class under attack by both local elites and more powerful international elites. Previously, this involved the relationship between Third World workers,their puppet rulers and the American and/or Soviet empires that dominated their nation,elites and workers alike. For this reason, Third World revolutionaries typically developed "national liberation" ideologies, combining both nationalism and socialism. Now that the New World Odor of international corporatism has sought to reduce the eventual status of first world workers to that of their counterparts in the third world, it is only appropriate that first world revolutionaries should develop a nationalist/socialist ideology of liberation from the international empire of the globalists. Buchanan/Fulani represent the first stage in this development. We should be grateful because they are paving the way for a genuinely revolutionary movement somewhere down the line. They are the seed but not the tree.Both carry too much ideological baggage from archaic ideologies of the past in order to be true visionaries for the future. Buchanan is, to some degree, stuck in the psychology of the pre-capitalist feudal order. The "Old Order" concepts of theocracy,patriarchy,paternalism are things that he cannot let go of psychologically. Also, as a former White House insider and media personality, he cannot entirely buy out of the system's way of thinking. Likewise, Fulani carries with her the archaic ideology of Marxism- Leninism and cannot fully embrace the individualism and anti-statism that is implicit in American culture. Therefore, both of them can only go so far in putting up a united fighting front against the contemporary enemy of the working class-the globalist,corporatist New World Order. This does not mean that we should support them any less. On the contrary, we should do what Bill is doing-offer maximum support. If we want to see a seed grow into a tree we need to be willing to try to help with water and fertilizer. However, while Buchanan-Fulani may provide the seeds the fertilizer will have to be provided by those lacking the ideological and psychological baggage that bring bring with them. Instead, we will eventually need fresh blood and fresh faces unencumbered by archaic concepts like religion, Marxism,race,narrow nationalism,old order moralism,and the like. We will need a straightfoward ruthless,anti- globalist, anti-statist, anti-bourgeoise,radical individualist class struggle for the self-determination of all cultures and nationalities. America, as the world's leading nation, will have to be at the forefront of this struggle. It is ridiculous to talk about liberation of Mexican workers without the liberation of American workers.Essentially, it is the nineteenth century all over again. The international class war is about to heat up. Friday April 14th 2000 05:24:58 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stock Bubble Softening
From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America : US Economy US supermarket chain slashes 11,000 jobs By our correspondent 22 April 2000 Back to screen version The supermarket chain Winn-Dixie announced plans Thursday to slash 11,000 jobs and close 114 stores and other facilities. The job cuts and closings will eliminate 8 percent of the company's 132,000 employees. Winn-Dixie is one of the largest supermarket chains operating in the southern US, with 1,189 stores in 14 states and the Bahamas. Among those facilities to be closed include a Tampa, Florida warehouse (200 jobs), detergent and bag factories in Jacksonville, Florida (62) and division offices in Tampa, Atlanta (75) and Louisville, Kentucky (60). Company chairman Dano Davis declared in a statement, Today's grocery business is probably the most competitive in our 75-year history. The changes are expected to produce annual savings of $400 million. The firm had earlier reported the sale of 74 stores in Oklahoma and Texas to The Kroger Co. Management at Hutchinson Technology announced April 18 that it was eliminating 950 jobs in Wisconsin, South Dakota and Minnesota. The company previously slashed 600 jobs during the first six months of the fiscal year. Hutchinson, the world's leading supplier of suspension assemblies for computer drives, reported a net loss of $13 million, or 53 cents per share, for the second quarter, which ended March 26. Selectron Corp. of Suwanee, Georgia announced plans to move 850 jobs, more than half of the workforce, from its cellular telephone manufacturing plant in suburban Atlanta to its facility in Guadalajara, Mexico. The company already employs 6,700 workers in Guadalajara. A company official explained, Simply put, most of our competitors and customers have already moved cell phone manufacturing to lower labor-cost geographies. Dominion Resources Inc., of Richmond, Virginia, is planning to eliminate 700 jobs as a result of its acquisition of Consolidated Natural Gas Co. of Pittsburgh. The purchase of Consolidated for $6 billion makes Dominion the nation's largest fully integrated natural gas and electric power company, with nearly 4 million customers and 17,000 employees in Virginia, North Carolina, West Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. The outplacement firm of Challenger, Gray Christmas reported that the number of layoffs resulting from mergers and acquisitions jumped in March to 6,077from 2,470 in January and 1,450 in Februaryout of a total of 55,783 job cuts for the month. The total number of job losses in 2000 is 141,853. The firm also warned potential job-seekers that Wall Street gyrations were making finding employment more difficult. In a press release, John A. Challenger commented: Employers are more and more skittish about current economic events and trends and forecasts of continuing interest rate increases. The situation is likely to cause a switch in the policy of some employers from hiring any warm body to a more selective approach, despite the labor shortage. Wall Street's Black Friday upheaval had to cause a re-thinking of hiring policies. Copyright 1998-2000 World Socialist Web Site All rights reserved AER ~~~ Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different
[CTRL] A New Book ...
... on Bill Jeff Go here to find cost comparisons: http://www.addall.com/New/compare.cgi?dispCurr=USDid=1134isbn=0060194855locat ion=1thetime=2421233013state=AK TITLE: Truth at Any Cost: Ken Starr and the Unmaking of Bill Clinton ISBN: 0060194855 Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers, Incorporated Publish Date: 1 January 2000 Author: Schmidt, Susan / Weisskopf, Michael Binding: Hardcover 320 pages List Price: USD 26.00 Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chuck Morse on Elian RE: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
If you had read the preceeding posts, you would see to what situation both authors referred. I found both posts humourous in the light of the confrontation which occurred a couple of days ago. If you refer evolution as not a subject for a conspirational discussion group, in that many would disagee. Many see the entire Darwinian theory as quite conpirational in a move toward the destruction of spirituality with the end goal of one world government, one religion, the illumati goals for this planet in general... And so this isn't a wasted post here is Chuk Morse's position on the Elian case: The Left's Response to the Elian Gonzales Affair The Elian Gonzales Affair has drawn the left out of the woodwork in their knee jerk sympathy for their friend in Havana. Suddenly moderation is the party line as expressions like "there's no black and white" and there is "good and bad on both sides" emerge as the slogans to be repeated in agitprop style. The left has cynically found family values as they are championing the rights of the family, in this case, ironically, a father. They are suddenly defenders of American law and order. This affair presents a glimpse into the mind and soul of the authoritarian socialist. A left wing friend complained to me recently that Cuban Americans are "politicizing" this issue. This is really rich, considering that the left politicizes everything from language that would be impolite, to private sexual behavior. The left politicizes private issues for the purpose of creating division and hatred thus empowering the state through legislative solutions to the problem they created. Whether our government should send a refugee back to certain slavery however, is most assuredly a political issue. This friend accuses me of being in the Cuban American "amen corner". I'm proud to be counted in that amen corner, standing up for freedom with people who appreciate that freedom more than most Americans. I wonder which "amen corner" my left wing friend would be found in. In a Communist country there are no rights of the family per se, as family rights, and for that matter all rights are subordinated to the state which acts in the name of "the people" for "the common good". The Cuban government owns both Elian and his father in the same way that an American would own a set of hubcaps. According to the Washington Times, Luis Fernandez, a spokesman for Cuba's unofficial embassy in Washington stated that Elian "is a possession of the Cuban Government" and that "no other entity can remove this". This view is in harmony with American leftist thinking, whether conscious or internalized, and is formalized in their support for organizations simpatico to the philosophy of Cuban communism such as the Children's Defense Fund, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, many large foundations, and others. The American left, in many cases unwittingly, resonates with the Cuban constitution, which places responsibility for raising children in the hands of the state. The communist state is given the legal authority and is required to step in if there is a conflict between parents and children. Cuban law requires parents and teachers to raise children with a "communist personality" and outlaws "influences contrary to communist development". The education philosophers who presently hold sway over our government run public schools, and many "social service agencies" must be casting longing eyes over the Gulf of Mexico. When the left, whether witting or otherwise, talks about the rights of the family, this is what they really mean. American leftist's have been repeating over 40 years, Hitler style, Cuban generated statistics concerning high literacy rates, health care for all Cubans, and other old saws generated by the Cuban ministry of propaganda. Communists, by their own admission, are not interested in telling the truth, only in reporting "facts" for the purpose of helping their glorious revolution. In fact, communists don't actually recognize the existence of objective truth. Everything is perception. The experts, to further the cause of socialism, must therefore mold perception. Since reality and morality are viewed as man made, the communist elite must exercise absolute power to insure that reality is created in their image. This is why a communist must not be believed, to them; it's ok to lie for their cause. The practical results of that cause are absolute power over all aspects of your life. This is, of course, the opposite of the American, Judeo-Christian approach which is that God created an objective, identifiable universe and that man, created in the image of God, is capable of individually perceiving reality and morality. It would, of course, be irrelevant and missing the point if the Cuban claims of high literacy and health standards were correct.. What good are any of these things if one is not free? A man sentenced to life in prison is not much better off if he reads well or is kept in good
Re: [CTRL] MARSHALS TO TAKE ELIAN SATURDAY: CBS
Now, I'm not in a positron to know any of the true facts (like 99.971 % of everybody else) but this is one of the more idiotic news reportages I've ever seen. For this to come out is certainly no more than inflamatory verbiage, put into the media to do nothing more than sway popular opinion away from the facts of the case. Let's ad hominem the father to death and avoid addressing the real issues. I wonder if the video tape crew maybe might have sorta helped the little feller's memory. Talk about a repressive society? Mind Control? Brain Washing? Selective memories? No tabula more rasa than a 6 y/o, eh? Any Pavlovians out there? Dangle a toy gun to elicit a 'correct' response? But, as I indicated above, I -- like 99.9719 % of everyone else -- am without all the facts. Given a little more time and we might add another 0.0279% or so. I can see it now, the old dilemmatic question, a classic at that, the one in which the fellow is asked about beating his wife ... and Papa Gonzalez has Bill Jeff's lawyer ... I'd love to see him or anyone rumba around, limbo under, or tango through this one with Craig playing Edgar Bergen to Juan's Charley McCarthy!!! AER Pedrosa voiced concerns that officials have done nothing to investigate multiple accounts of spousal and child abuse against Mr. Gonzalez. "When a child makes allegations of this sort in this country, we don't believe the child and we don't disbelieve the child," the lawyer said. "We evaluate the allegations to determine whether a professional thinks they are true." AER ~~~ Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reno Prepares for Waco II
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Re: [CTRL] Police raid bookstore (fwd)
I guess I should be careful ... I order and read books on subjects that I disagree on as much as I agree (the Bush brothers, e.g.) ... as well, I read articles and post many of the same on this list REGARDLESS of my personal opinion (which I betray myself when I sometimes add) or degree of concurrence or nonconcurrence. Of course, as an aspiring polymath, one comes to entertain certain unpopular points of view ONLY as an exercise toward understanding the (un)real proponents. Read everything, argue little, be aware as well as be wary ... AER But the issues are much greater than just another drug bust: - Should a citizen be able to procure any books he chooses, without intervention or censorship? - Should merchants be able to guarantee the privacy of their customers' purchases? Such a guarantee is essential in a free society. The citizen who needs to learn about dealing with manic depression, overcoming bulimia, curing venereal diseases or a myriad of other personal concerns must know he can educate himself on such issues in total privacy. AER ~~~ Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ?
You're from "down under" right? yes David And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right? NEXUS Magazine is not 'new agey' - pick up any copy or visit the website and read for youself I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any truth to that report? Total rubbish. I own the magazine with my partner, Catherine. I come from an organic agriculture, meditation/health food, environmental background, with leanings described by most readers as left-wing if anything. I earned the wrath of the Australia-Israel Review mob in Melbourne, Australia. For those who don't know this bunch, let me just say that if you ask any Jew in Melbourne about the AIR they will tell you (with distaste) that the Australia-Israel Review people are rabid, right-wing extremists, funded by some of Australia's wealthiest Jews. These are the people who helped fund Netanyahu and his policies into power. I earned their wrath because during a couple of visits to international conferences in Libay I displayed pro-Palestinian sentiments. At the same time I am NOT anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli. I am pro-peace, and this put me at odds with one particular journalist named David Grearson, especially after I rejected his sexual advances (graciously too I thought) one night at a hotel in Tripoli. David has since engaged in a vendetta to link me and the whole-new age movement to some vast conspiracy theory, (all time claiming that all conspiracy theorists are right-wing neo-nazis- so work out his logic for yourself). Nevertheless, our David has the ear of powerful men, and "journalists" such as Philip Adams (I put "journalists" because Philip Adams displays the level of journalism as Rupert Murdoch's Sunday papers, ie NO research, lots of rhetoric, and outright lies). I've had a similar impression myself, especially when you used to flog all that D'Icke drivel! Now weren't he the picture of an Aryan god - blonde, blue-eyed - them luscious lipthz - I could hardly resist buying the mag when pics of him were spread inside! You are obviously out-of-the-rest of the internet loop. I have NEVER published anything by Icke. I did review one of his books. At present, there is a virtual war between Icke and myself. Icke and his loyalists maintain that the world is run by shape-shifting reptilians. Maybe that is so, I don't know. But Icke is also saying that Secharia Sitchin and Laurence Gardner are reptiles also. I disagreed, having met Gardner several times at length. I said so, and shit has hit the fan. But what was worse - was when that internet cross-dresser, Ivan "I am DOROTHY" Fraser, stilettoed into the fray and in your support - this is the guy that publicly likened Jews to bloodsucking "VAMPIRES". So you do know of the conflict? Surely you know that you are writing drivel then. Funnily enough, David Grearson's tactics are the same as yours, guilt by association. I didn't ask Ivan Fraser to defend me, so what is your point. You don't happen to KNOW David Grearson by any chance - you have a similar style there you realise, David Grearson is just the sort of person who would know if Ivan Fraser was a cross dresser or not. Were you aware of this Neo-Nazi comment by the way - very strange bedfellow to have Dunks - imho. Of course I know this nonsense. I have had shopkeepers in Brighton, England threatened with fire-bombing for selling NEXUS because they were told that NEXUS was a neo-nazi magazine. I put to you the challenge I put to anyone with half-a brain - read any issue for yourself and see if you can find anything right-wing in it. So for the record, and for those too lazy to read NEXUS you will just have to take my word for it: I am not neo nazi, anti-jewish, right-wing, left-wing, or new age. I am not a freemason, a CIA agent, a grey alien, or a shapeshifting reptilian alien. I am an ordinary guy who for 25 years has been fascinated by what the media don't tell you, and why they don't tell it. regards Duncan So why have you gone all quiet on this David? You have posted information asking questions you already knew answers to, and I want to know why. I don't believe you when you say you heard something on the radio the other day about NEXUS being right-wing neo-nazi. Every time that used to happen I would either get calls from the radio station beforehand, or from listeners afterwards telling me what was said. I have to assume you are outright lying on this one. Why? You ask if I am associated with NEXUS, and later in the piece you clearly indicate you KNOW I am associated with NEXUS and ask about my neo-nazi bedfellows. If you have read NEXUS like you claim, then you know we don't publish any newage stuff, and you would also know that we have never published any photos of David Icke, let alone any articles. So why the lies? You have intentionally attempted to deceive the list with your
[CTRL] Drudge: SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK... (fwd)
X DRUDGE REPORT X FRIDAY APRIL 21 2000 14:01:22 ET X SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK SET TO ROCK WASHINGTON **Exclusive** In the end, its the book the White House has feared the most. WASHINGTON POST reporter Sue Schmidt, first to get Lewinsky in print [more than 72 hours after the Internet], and the subject of a blistering White House report ordered by the first lady, is now ready to unload her secret files on various Clinton scandals in a new expose set to rock official Washington. In 1996, Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered the White House to draft a report [prepared at taxpayer expense] criticizing Sue Schmidt's coverage of Whitewater. "It's now time for Sue's sweet revenge!" declares a WASHINGTON POST editor. The book "Truth at Any Cost : Ken Starr and the Unmaking of Bill Clinton" [HARPERCOLLINS] takes the reader on an ultimate insider pro-prosecution trip through years of investigation and creative legal maneuvering by the defense. [The book has been a sleeping giant, ranking #5,820 on AMAZON's sales list just days before publication.] Schmidt and partner Michael Weisskopf [TIME magazine] crack stunning new details of various Clinton scandals and their players. White House eyes will not be focused on Elian Gonzalez this weekend -- they'll be focused on Schmidt. The WASHINGTON POST is planning a spread pulled from the embargoed book this Sunday. TIME magazine is planning a "news story" based on the book for next week's issue. "Schmidt's nothing more than Ken Starr's personal secretary!" charges a senior White House aide on the eve of the book's release. "She was an informant to Starr!" claims a Schmidt enemy in the press with White House ties. But the barking is based on shadows. No one in the White House has yet had access to the book. That will change within hours. Let the Roar Begin! --- Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for updates (c)DRUDGE REPORT 2000 Not for reproduction without permission of the author P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Justice adviser on Gonzalez case has long ties to Clinton (fwd)
April 20, 2000 Justice adviser on Gonzalez case has long ties to Clinton By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES A New York doctor who advised the Justice Department that Elian Gonzalez was in "imminent danger" at the home of his Miami relatives is a longtime associate of President Clinton who served on first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton's secret health care task force. Dr. Irwin Redlener, president of community pediatrics at Children's Hospital at Montefiore in New York, also headed a group of prominent physicians who endorsed Mr. Clinton's 1992 campaign. Dr. Redlener, president of the Children's Health Fund, is the second longtime Clinton supporter and adviser to surface as a key player in the Elian Gonzalez saga. Gregory Craig, one of Washington's highest-paid lawyers and a prime defender of Mr. Clinton's in the impeachment trial, represents Elian's father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez. On Monday, Dr. Redlener said in a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno that Elian was in a "state of imminent danger to his physical and emotional well-being" in a home he considered to be "psychologically abusive." He said there was "no justification" for leaving the boy at the Miami home, saying he continued "to be horrendously exploited in this bizarre and destructive ambiance. It has gone on far too long." "It appears the government could have done a better job at picking a consultant for this case based on Dr. Redlener's political connections," said former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova. "I believe he is a poor choice and I question the government's judgment in naming him." Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson called on Vice President Al Gore to repudiate Dr. Redlener, who he said was "neither a psychiatrist nor a psychologist and who has never examined the young Cuban refugee." "Al Gore says he understands that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno are wrong on this issue," Mr. Nicholson said. "He says he understands that a family court . . . should decide what is best for Elian." Dr. Redlener was not at his office yesterday and was unavailable for comment. As a member of the first lady's health care task force, the doctor served as the vice chairman of the Health Professionals Review Group. Two years later, after the proposal failed, he was among several health care and White House officials who met to discuss why the program was rejected and how a pared-back proposal might be promoted the following year. The president's Health Security Act failed to win congressional approval in part because of concerns over the secrecy the White House used in developing the 1,400-page package. In 1997, a federal judge said the White House and lawyers defending the first lady had lied in an effort to keep the task force and its papers secret. U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth also accused administration officials at "the highest levels of government" of engaging in a "cover-up" and pressuring the Justice Department to defend its "dishonest" actions. In recent months, Dr. Redlener has met with the first lady concerning her run for the U.S. Senate in New York. He also has been publicly critical of New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, chastising him for withdrawing the city's money from a multimillion-dollar asthma education and treatment initiative in the Bronx a $2.3 million program endorsed by the first lady. Dr.
[CTRL] Vatican causes cancer (fwd)
From the London Daily Telegraph 19-April-2000 Cancer cluster blamed on powerful Vatican radio transmitters By Bruce Johnston in Rome RADIO transmitters operated by the Vatican are under official investigation over claims that electromagnetic pollution is causing cancer among local residents. Vatican Radio programmes are broadcast all over the world from a forest of antennae at Santa Maria di Galera, near Cesano, a northern suburb of Rome. Residents have reported the complex to magistrates dozens of times and doctors who examined the cause of 7,500 deaths over six years in Cesano found the incidence of tumours was 30 per cent higher than the national average. A separate inquiry by the Lazio region found that electromagnetic energy in the area was almost three times the legal limit. Francesco Ferrante, the director general of Italy's Legambiente, or environmental league, said people living near the antennae had found their computers switched on by themselves, telephone conversations were "invaded" by radio transmissions and watching television was impossible. The Legambiente claimed that 60 per cent of deaths in the area in 1996 were due to cancer. Lucia Venturi, a scientific specialist with the organisation, called on the Italian state to intervene to protect the health of its citizens. Yesterday it was reported that official paperwork sent by the investigating magistrates to three Vatican representatives had been returned on the grounds that the antennae complex enjoyed extra-territorial status, leaving them immune from judicial sanctions. Lawyers acting for the Vatican, including Eugenio Pacelli, a nephew of Pope Pius XII, pointed out that, under the Lateran Pact those who exercise Vatican activities are not punishable under Italian law. A 1951 accord also recognises the extra-territoriality of the complex. The lawyers added that there was no legal precedent recognising any damaging effect to health of electromagnetic waves. However, a local councillor insisted: "The privilege of extra-territoriality is not valid. The constitutional right to people's health has to be respected." Magistrates have now asked Italy's Foreign Ministry to intervene to prevent diplomatic deadlock over the case. P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The 11th Circuit Court Panel (fwd)
[In case anyone else has been wondering who the Circuit Court judges are --MS] Thumbnail Sketches of Elian Judges By The Associated Press, Thumbnail sketches of three 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judges who ruled Wednesday in Elian Gonzalez case. Judge James Larry Edmondson, 52, of Atlanta, was appointed by President Reagan to the court in 1986. He graduated from Emory University in 1968 and from law school at the University of Georgia in 1971. Edmondson taught at the school for nine years and had a private practice for 13 years. He directed Reagan's 1984 re-election campaign in Gwinnett County. - Judge Joel F. Dubina, 52, of Montgomery, Ala., was appointed by President Bush in 1990. He graduated from the University of Alabama in 1970 and Cumberland School of Law in 1973. Dubina was a clerk for a federal judge in Alabama until 1974. He was in private practice until he was appointed a federal magistrate in Alabama in 1983. Reagan appointed him federal judge in 1986. - Judge Charles R. Wilson, 45, of Tampa, Fla., was appointed by President Clinton in May 1999. He graduated from law school in 1979 at the University of Notre Dame, where he also earned a bachelor's degree. Wilson worked briefly as an assistant attorney in Hillsborough County, Fla., then worked for a year for a federal appeals court judge. He practiced law in Florida until his 1986 appointment to the circuit court bench. In 1990, he was named a federal magistrate and in 1994, he became U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Florida. ### P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Never Count Votes by Computer
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Never Count Votes by Computer Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:29 PM - Original Message - From: Jim Condit Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: [NA] Wonders of the Internet More on Osborne www.networkamerica.org "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin (Listen anytime to Votefraud vs Honest Elections "crash course" radio show over the internet at www.sightings.com in the archives, April 3rd, 2000 show, Jeff Rense host, Jim Condit Jr. guest) April 16, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire Wonders of the Internet - More on Osborne Our April13 e-wire reported on the 1974 book, "Running Wild" by Adam Osborne in which he said that three areas should never be counted or tracked by computer, one of which was vote-counting. This book and its significance had been called to our attention by Dr. Gary North. I put out a call for anyone who could track down this book and shed some light on the other two areas Adam Osborne was concerned about. Within 36 hours I had received what follows back by e-mail. Before reading what's below, consider this: the internet is causing invention and medical advancement to move at lightning speed in our day because of the almost instant exchange of information - a counterpart of this we see below in the political arena with the example of the email someone found and send me, writing by Lauren Wiener in 1994 on Adam Osborne. Let's reflect further: A few centuries ago, Dr. Louis Pasteur would find out something about microbes or sterilization. He would write it down, and, at best a few weeks later it might make it to the scientists in France with whom he was working most closely. Remember, no quick land mail delivery, no cars, no telephone, no copy machines, no fax machines. At best, a few months later, Pasteur's new discoveries or theories would make it out of France to Germany or Italy or Great Britain, at which point the letter could be translated and analyzed by the scientists and doctors in those countries. And then those scientists would write back, and so on. Today information is being exchanged at next to lightning speed thanks to the internet. Therefore, inventions and medical discoveries are being made at an increasingly rapid pace. Let us take a lesson from this in our quest for accountability and true justice in the public and social arenas! How quickly we will be able to move as soon as we put an organizational structure and plan behind our ability to exchange information. We American people today seem to me like the Elephant in the well-known motivational story. When small, the elephant is tied to a stake in the ground that he is too small to pull out of it's place. The elephant accepts this limitation mentally, which was true at the time. As the Elephant develops into a full grown adult, he still never tries to pull the stake out of the ground to which he is tied, so he stays put where his masters tie him. Why? Because the adult elephant still mentally accepts the limitation, which no longer holds true. We are not elephants (or donkeys either, I hope) - so let us throw away artificial and outdated limitations and apply our brains and energy to realize the potential now possible for a future for our nation and our people as it was meant to be --- not one stunted and warped by the culture-distorters who have now clawed their way to the top of our government. Here's the message received from a e-wire reader, as written by Lauren Wiener in 1994: Modern Discussion of Computer Risks in Old Book Lauren Wiener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 02 Feb 94 21:47:22 -0800 My uncle was poking around in a used bookstore and found a book entitled "The Naked Computer" (by Jack Rochester John Gantz, Wm Morrow Co., NY) which was published in 1983 and intended for a lay audience. It's got some stories I have never heard, such as this one on p. 71: "David Walonick, a computer programmer and consultant in Minneapolis, found that his new IBM personal computer divided 0.1 by 10 and came up with 0.001 instead of 0.01. IBM told him beginning programmers 'have problems like that.' It wasn't corrected until Walonick told the _New York Times . ." There follows a somewhat muddy and unsatisfying explanation of the problem, followed by the insightful comment: "The more serious problem is that most computer users have difficulty discerning when there is an inaccurate sum; computers are generally regarded as correct." The book also includes an interview by Adam Osborne, in which he says the following on the subject of computer risks: "Author: In your book, "Running Wild", you say there are places we shouldn't use computers.
Re: [CTRL] IUFO: Reno Prepares for Waco II
She has the boy. Or should I say Global 2000 has the boy. He is now being drugged and will soon be a slave of the state, just like many of you Amerikans. How sad... Steve On 22 Apr 00, at 0:25, Steve Wingate wrote: "It's for the children" http://www.anomalous-images.com/DVADER.JPG Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
Saturday April 22 5:31 AM ET Elian Seized From Relatives' Home MIAMI (AP) - Armed federal agents stormed into the Miami home of Elian Gonzalez's relatives in a pre-dawn maneuver today and left with the 6-year- old boy, firing tear gas into the crowd as they left. At least a couple dozen agents arrived at the home shortly after 5 a.m. to knock and kick on the door, according to witnesses. A short time later, a woman and man brought Elian out of the Little Havana home and put him in a white van. ``Assassins,'' yelled a woman. Some of the approximately 100 protesters at the scene climbed over the barricades and tried to stop the agents, who were armed with automatic weapons. ``The world is watching!'' yelled Delfin Gonzalez, the brother of the little boy's caretaker, Lazaro. ``They were animals,'' said Jess Garcia, a bystander. ``They gassed women and children to take a defenseless child out of here. We were assaulted with no provocation.'' Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper Sent: 21 April 2000 11:32 1) frozen bacteria has been found from impacted asteroids. That bacteria has evidently been different enough that when integrated into earth life forms it has changed us. I have read your post and the various links, no where is there and definitive evidence that 'frozen bacteria has been found etc.' There is a good deal of supposition and wishful thinking, but, alas, no evidence. Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
This is something that I wrote in response to a 'Judas' Question on another list I would like to share a few thoughts about the above with you and would welcome your comments. Most people on this list, having read the available literature on the subject would probably agree that Jesus was deliberately manipulating his last days in order to conform to the OT prophesies, for whatever motive. We will never know the full story and speculation, though interesting, does not actually add to our sum of knowledge. However, as speculation is all that we have, I would like to put the following points forward for consideration. Jesus had surrounded himself with loyal and trusted disciples. There were many more than the 12 that we know of, but most of these appear to have been sent out on missionary work, leaving the 'elite' to form part of his retinue. His 'triumphal' entry into Jerusalem was obviously stage managed and seems to have been done to create as much attention as possible. As indeed did the incidents at the temple. It appears to me that he was attempting to get himself arrested. As we know, this did not happen. Assuming for the moment that my interpretation is correct, at the last supper he must have started to become anxious that the prophesies would not be fulfilled and he needed to help things along. If you needed someone to do a particularly unpleasant thing, something that would otherwise been seen as a betrayal, who would you ask to do it?. Your most loyal and trusted companion of course. And how would you do it?. By telling everyone what was required and then nominating your chosen candidate. Could this not have happened here? Look at the reaction of Judas when handed the sop. "Must it be me Lord?" or words to that effect. "Yes, do what you must do and do it quickly". At which point Judas leaves the room and has been vilified for two thousand years. Also, his subsequent actions seem to attest to his loyalty. After 'betraying ' Jesus and obtaining 30 pieces of silver, he promptly gives it back! Hardly the action of a traitorous mercenary. And then he apparently commits suicide. If Jesus did not want to be betrayed, he had sufficient numbers to restrain any traitor, particularly as he apparently knew who it was and when he would do it. But rather than do this he encourages his own betrayal. This is simply not logical. His very words and actions in the garden on the night of his arrest are those of a deeply troubled person who knows what is about to happen. His 'traitor' has been well briefed as to rendezvous, timing and identification. And that kiss. Why? Would it not have been easier to point Jesus out "That's him over there in the grey robe" or something like that. I would have thought that the kiss was either from Judas to say "I have done as you asked Lord, may God forgive me.", or from Jesus "Thank you for doing the hardest thing that I have ever asked any man to do". It is my contention, at present, that Judas, far from being the traitor of popular belief, was in fact a brave, loyal and compassionate hero. He did what he did knowing the likely consequences simply because he believed in Jesus and what he stood for. Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1
SkeptiNews 000422a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/21_04_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * Some readers are thanked for contributions: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No godlings were resurrected during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ PalmSimple: http://www.mikew.org/html/PalmSimple.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # YOUR PET MAY BE POSSESSED! Animals can be possessed by demons just like humans! Hounds of Hell: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1866.html # Man faces trial in grandmother's beating death. Stalking around the house, wielding a 2-foot tall crucifix and photograph, he claimed he was rebuking Satan. Right. http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_city/2419reddix2.asp # Rome on alert after firebomb attack on shrine. POLICE issued a warning that an attempt to blow up one of Italy's most popular and revered shrines to the Virgin Mary could signal a campaign by "anti-clerical militants" to disrupt Easter celebrations being attended by millions of pilgrims this weekend http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?1124027 : What are your favorite spirits, shrines, pets? How do they intersect? Have you sacrificed a pet/relative/edifice lately? Are you and/or those near you possessed by demons/angels/reptoids/controllers/me? D'ya take precautions? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Occult sites 'lure' teens. (BBC) UK teachers are worried about teenagers using websites about the occult, which 1/4 of secondary school pupils are "very interested" in. Shazam: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9718784 # Violent film appetites (BBC) http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9720059 # Christians Celebrate Godling's Death With Bizarre Behaviours And Costumes. Images: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_722000/722051.stm @ Hello: I'm Dead. http://wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/mustread.html?pg=7 # Crucifixion recreation leads to ambulance call - smeared with fake blood: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_721000/721847.stm # Earth Day: titanic celebration: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9719109 : Does your belief system lure novices with flashy colors, vivid drama, loud music, (un)real violence, foods/drinks/drugs, software? D'ya fete violence? Are earth/sky/sex-gods inherently violent? Is death the ultimate trip? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Faith Healer Faces Sex Charges - "messenger of truth" has some explaining to do. "He's part counselor, part psychic, part witch doctor. He does have a certain amount of laying on of hands as part of his therapy." Psychic and physical "counseling": http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0421i.htm # AGE-OLD FOLK REMEDIES THAT DOCTORS KNOW REALLY WORK! WASHINGTON -- You can cure everything from foot pain and hiccups to cellulite bronchitis with tried'n'true folk remedies that have brought blessed relief to millions of true believers for hundreds of years! "Doctors and the big drug companies don't want you to know it, but folk remedies really work." If you're one of the lucky survivors: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1858.html : Have you used any ancient healing techniques lately? Did you survive? D'ya know what the usual human lifespan was before modern medicine sanitation? Is faith-healing better for healing faith or health? Is your faith sick? Eh? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # VERY VERY OLD: Pottery found in Eastern China dating back 4,800 years has inscriptions of Chinese characters. This predates by some 2000 years what were previously thought to the earliest Chinese characters. 5 millennia of writing: http://www.chinatimes.com.tw//english/eculture/89042001.htm # Computers, Real Cheap! They'd cost a dollar be made of paper. Computers that can be dropped into an envelope, used once and thrown away, or jacked in to a phone line to transmit and receive data. Welcome to a turn-it-on, tear-it-up world: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/paper.html # The feds may one day make it illegal for artists to use low-contrast colors or eye-straining optical effects. For now, they're only going after Web designers: http://www.reason.com/0005/co.wo.access.html # Talking gorilla dies: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711071 : D'ya prefer to communicate on paper, ceramics, silicon, monkeybrains? Have you communicated for a long time? Do you have the cost of communications as low as can be? Do your communications corrupt morality/perception/sanity?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # AMATEURS REACH FOR THE STARS. (NASA) Amateur astronomers attended a unique meeting in mid-April to learn about high-energy astrophysics and how they can participate in it. Reptilioid mind-control implants will be available to all attendees: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast21apr_1m.htm #
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
HA HA HA Perry Mason tries to analyze the actions of the King of the Universe. 0/10 Stick with your evolution you haven't the depth for religion sorry. Well you did ask... Nicky ps you weren't there were you? silas wrote: This is something that I wrote in response to a 'Judas' Question on another list I would like to share a few thoughts about the above with you and would welcome your comments. Most people on this list, having read the available literature on the subject would probably agree that Jesus was deliberately manipulating his last days in order to conform to the OT prophesies, for whatever motive. We will never know the full story and speculation, though interesting, does not actually add to our sum of knowledge. However, as speculation is all that we have, I would like to put the following points forward for consideration. Jesus had surrounded himself with loyal and trusted disciples. There were many more than the 12 that we know of, but most of these appear to have been sent out on missionary work, leaving the 'elite' to form part of his retinue. His 'triumphal' entry into Jerusalem was obviously stage managed and seems to have been done to create as much attention as possible. As indeed did the incidents at the temple. It appears to me that he was attempting to get himself arrested. As we know, this did not happen. Assuming for the moment that my interpretation is correct, at the last supper he must have started to become anxious that the prophesies would not be fulfilled and he needed to help things along. If you needed someone to do a particularly unpleasant thing, something that would otherwise been seen as a betrayal, who would you ask to do it?. Your most loyal and trusted companion of course. And how would you do it?. By telling everyone what was required and then nominating your chosen candidate. Could this not have happened here? Look at the reaction of Judas when handed the sop. "Must it be me Lord?" or words to that effect. "Yes, do what you must do and do it quickly". At which point Judas leaves the room and has been vilified for two thousand years. Also, his subsequent actions seem to attest to his loyalty. After 'betraying ' Jesus and obtaining 30 pieces of silver, he promptly gives it back! Hardly the action of a traitorous mercenary. And then he apparently commits suicide. If Jesus did not want to be betrayed, he had sufficient numbers to restrain any traitor, particularly as he apparently knew who it was and when he would do it. But rather than do this he encourages his own betrayal. This is simply not logical. His very words and actions in the garden on the night of his arrest are those of a deeply troubled person who knows what is about to happen. His 'traitor' has been well briefed as to rendezvous, timing and identification. And that kiss. Why? Would it not have been easier to point Jesus out "That's him over there in the grey robe" or something like that. I would have thought that the kiss was either from Judas to say "I have done as you asked Lord, may God forgive me.", or from Jesus "Thank you for doing the hardest thing that I have ever asked any man to do". It is my contention, at present, that Judas, far from being the traitor of popular belief, was in fact a brave, loyal and compassionate hero. He did what he did knowing the likely consequences simply because he believed in Jesus and what he stood for. Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rhodes- S G Millin 2
CHAPTER III FROM KIMBERLEY TO OXFORD I THERE is a photograph of Rhodes which shows him at the age of about twenty. In this photograph the face is thin and delicate, it is a face very different from the big, ruthless, powerful face of the later Rhodes. They say (it sounds well) that Rhodes brought to the Diamond Fields from his farm in Natal his diggers tools, some volumes of the classics, and a Greek lexicon. And this, they say, is how he looked : a tall, fair boy, blue-eyed, aquiline-featured, in ill-washed, shrunken white flannels ; a sullen, silent boy scraping at his pebbles, debris around him, windlasses turning, buckets crashing, natives picking, heaving, chanting as they worked in the quarry (diggers would call it the paddock) below him. From the mound on which he sat Kimberley displayed itself to him : the white tents of the diggers, the bars, the shops, the sheds of the diamond dealers -all of corrugated iron and shocking to the eyes in the glare of that bitter sun. . . . The silent, self-contained Cecil John Rhodes, writes a contemporary. . . . I have many times seen him in the Main Street, dressed in white flannels, leaning moodily with his hands in his pockets against a street wall. He hardly ever had a companion, seemingly took no interest in anything but his thoughts, and I do not believe if a flock of the most adorable women passed through the street he would go across the road to see them. It is probably true that Rhodes did not freely yield his interest to women. When he arrived in Kimberley there indeed no women there-that is, no white women. came later. In those old Kimberley days he danced, h for exercise. If he danced as he walked, heavy, pigeon-toed, it was as well he was also little concerned his partners. It did not matter to him who they were they looked. I dont want them always fussing about, he said of women, little knowing that his words were being noted in Olympus, and that a most preposterous woman was to be the last chagrin of a life heroically designed. But it is strange that Rhodes should be so constantly reported as a solitary. He seems always to have had friends and to have loved and trusted them. There was the youth in Natal, the relation of the Provost of Oriel, with whom he read classics, and with whom he arranged to go to Oxford, though, in the end, he alone did so. 4 There were Rudd, Beit, Maguire, Jameson-the men who 1 were by him in his beginnings, his schemings, his fortunes, 1 his failure and his end. Jameson ruined him and was forgiven. ,T Beit served him in life and after death, and once, during the 1 great diamond amalgamation, when Beit faced trouble through in helping him, Rhodes gave him half a dozen promissory notes signed in blank, saying : Whatever I have got is yours, to 1 back you if you need it. There were the four he used to meet that they might debate Imperial problems and teach Disraeli his business-they wrote to do so. There was Sidney Shippard, the Attorney-General of Griqualand West, destined to have power in a place and at a time when Rhodes needed someone to do a bit of queer work for him. To this Sidney Shippard, in conjunction with the British Colonial Secretary, Rhodes first will assigns all his possessions that they may use it to spread Britain over the world. And there was the young Neville Pickering, secretary of FROM KIMBERLEY TO OXFORD 21 de Beers, to whom, in his second will, he leaves everything ,for the same purpose. Pickering died young,and, to ease his dying, Rhodes abandoned his larger prospects on the goldfields and left Johannesburg for Kimberley. But it was a sacrifice, so he said, that he never regretted. Though he never cared for another human being-not even Jameson- much as for Pickering, he continued to the end of his life making vehement friendships, always with men. He had something more than a political alliance with the Dutch leader, Jan Hendrik Hofmeyr, which the Raid broke. The confidant of his maturity was W. T. Stead. There was Grey, whom he spoke of as that finest of English products-an English gentleman. Friends naturally came to him as his career blossomed out ; he was surrounded, of course, by seekers and toadies. And sometimes he treated them with impatience and contempt, but yet they were his intimates. The loneliness of Rhodes, his spiritual solitude, is mere romanticism. Isolation seems to fit the character of a great man, that is all. With Rhodes the contrary was the truth. Apart from those phases of brooding and introspection natural to a man of temperament, he was dependent on company. He hated even a meal by himself. He loved to speak. So far was he from being the reserved Englishman of tradition and W. T. Stead, who said of him, among other absurdities, that he dwelt apart in the sanctuary of his mind into which the profane were not admitted-so far was he from this cloud-like loneliness that he was always explaining his feelings to
[CTRL] Rhodes- S G Millin 1
RHODES CHAPTER I THE MATOPPOS AND BISHOP STORTFORD I You worship Rhodes ? George Meredith wrote to a lady. I would crown him and then scourge him with his crown still on him. He wrote on April 2nd, 1902. The Boer War had a month to go. Rhodes was dead a month. He died at the age of forty-eight, less pleasantly than he had supposed people did die of heart disease. At any rate, Jameson, death from the heart is clean and quick. Theres nothing repulsive about it. Its a clean death, isnt it ? But they say the heat at Cape Town that summer was a plague. Such summers come to Cape Town. Then the blue hydrangeas climbing up the mountain at Rhodes command lie pallid in their tracks, the whiteness of his house is a pain to the eyes, the Indian and Atlantic Oceans meet and the wan air is not stirred by the gigantic embrace. And in such a heat Rhodes, his clothes unbuttoned, his face swollen and purple, his brow wet beneath his grey, tousled hair, wandered from room to room of Groote Schuur, his house, trying to breathe. He lay on a couch in the darkened drawing-room and could not breathe. He crouched on a chair at his desk and could not breathe. He laboured up to his bedroom and about it. He stood at the window that faced his mountain. Below him a regiment of flowers, in big, hard, brilliant, scentless masses, climbed the mountain slope by regular steps, and the trees he had lopped of their branches that screened the mountain, striped with black its purple and blue. But what would a man see of such things who could not breathe ? I B 2 He was carried to his cottage by the sea, and they made a hole in the wall to let in the air, and laid ice between the ceiling and the iron roof to cool it, and waved punkahs to stir it to life. Every day for two weeks his coloured man got ready a cart and horses to take him to his farm in the Drakenstein Mountains. But he was not called upon to inspan. Rhodes decided instead to go to England. It was cold now in England, Life seemed to be in that coldness. It was arranged that he should sail on March a6th, a cabin was fitted with electric fans and oxygen tubes and refrigerating pipes. He died on the day he should have left. A man might think the worshippings, crownings and scourgings of his world an equal futility who had given his name to a country and could not get a little air. Rhodes was born in an English vicarage on July 5th, 1853. He began in the little greenness of a place called Bishop Stortford and he ended in the granite desolation of a land called after himself. Rhodes rests in a grave of rock. Here he came to brood on mortality, and here he chose to be laid. Forests, grotesquely piled boulders, hurrying agitated monkeys lead to it. The approach is alive. But on the other side of this hill of granite, this glacier of black stone so smooth it is hard to climb, on the other side of this smooth, shining, black hill on which there lie carelessly, as if in an abandoned game of Brob- dingnags, stones round as sea-pebbles and large as houses, a world spreads itself of rough grey rocks spattered out on a .desert landscape like the final vomit of planets long since dead. In a cave near Rhodes sits the skeleton of the Matabele who taught him how a monarch who was also a poet should be buried. As the Matoppos to Bishop Stortford, so Moselikatze - 3 to the Williams, Thomases, and Samuels of Rhodes ancestry who farmed or made bricks or bought land in London and the country ; so Cecil Rhodes to the vicar, his father, whose sermons lasted exactly ten minutes. The meaning of Rhodes ancestry lies in its very lack of meaning. It proves merely that men like Rhodes come independent of their begetting and also of their land. And Rhodes himself recognized this when he set no name beside his own on his tombstone : not of ancestor or of birthplace. He was that being, Cecil John Rhodes, belonging to nobody, belonging to everybody-self-contained. He exemplified this largeness of spirit, this desire, for good or evil, to go big, which is called greatness and which is the attribute of no nation. For greatness is a sort of genius : a quality, not an accident or an achievement, a gift and not an inheritance. It inhabits a man like poetry or courage. The great man may not be better than the next man, he has his viscera like anybody else, and as there are minor poets there may even be lesser great men-village, if not world, great men. The point is that greatness is a kind of spiritual growth gland that makes for enlargement. The great man enlarges himself as the poet writes. He is equally conscious of his gift. He knows the mould he has to fill. He is dedicated to the work of filling it. It is the first sign of greatness in a man that he is aware of his greatness. Be not afraid of greatness ! He is not afraid of greatness ! From the beginning he has asked Life, not, like a beggar, for a penny, but, like a creditor, for a pound. When
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nicola Molloy Sent: 22 April 2000 12:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd) HA HA HA Perry Mason tries to analyze the actions of the King of the Universe. 0/10 Stick with your evolution you haven't the depth for religion sorry. Well you did ask... Nicky ps you weren't there were you? Thank you for your well reasoned and thought provoking response. Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rhodes- S G Millin 0
This is an except from the book Rhodes by Sarah Gertrude Millin and relays the start of the Rhodes dream of a new world order based on British principles. The book is available from anti albion. site (This conspiracy has been superseded by that based on multiculturalism and alienation from your ,culture, race and history and attachment to' human rights'. The human rights being defined by the power elite. Such things as free speech, skepticism about certain historical happenings, the ability to defend yourself, and free association are not included) It is perhaps ironic that a century after the first war created by the order(the anglo boer war) that the blacks elite are now killing the white descendants left behind
[CTRL] Thought for the day
There are times when the judicious use of both the DELETE button and the BLOCK ADDRESS feature can free up one's time to spend on getting to the bottom of the conspiracy. Tenorlove who never lets her ego get between her sense of humor and the DELETE button %^D __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
I`m glad I never pursued a career as a diplomat, but I`d like to suggest that just because someone uses the word truth, and they believe in a God doesn`t necessarily mean they believe using the word truth bars an Athiest or someone who doesn`t believe in anything from pursuing it or lessen the value of their opinion. This site would get awful boring if everyone agreed. Kind of like Huxley`s brave new world don`t you know. P.S. I ws an Athiest once and the hypocrisy of organized religon was what lead me to believe there was no God. On the other hand, the mark of the beast and one world government DO make great conspiracy theory fodder. Have a great day all! http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS (fwd)
I couldn't of said this better! Let's call our representatives in congress and demand that impeachment proceedings begin against President Clinton and attorney general Jamit Rhino! visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:47:43 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS - SNETNEWS Mailing List WHO BUT A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT WOULD TURN A HELPLESS LITTLE BOY OVER TO ANOTHER GODLESS, CRUEL COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT? BILL CLINTON AND JANET RENO ARE COMMUNISTS! THAT IS WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS, AND THAT IS WHY THEY TURNED A HELPLESS LITTLE BOY OVER TO THE COMMUNIST MURDERER , FIDEL CASTRO! EVERY MEMBER OF CLINTON'S OUTLAW GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE PUT ON TRIAL FOR HIGH TREASON- THEN HUNG! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Enlighten your in-box. http://www.topica.com/t/15 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS (fwd)
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On I couldn't of said this better! Let's call our representatives in congress and demand that impeachment proceedings begin against President Clinton and attorney general Jamit Rhino! visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon - SNETNEWS Mailing List WHO BUT A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT WOULD TURN A HELPLESS LITTLE BOY OVER TO ANOTHER GODLESS, CRUEL COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT? Hmmm Am I missing something here? I thought that the boy was being reunited with his Father. Silas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth Day 2000
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Isn't it Funny That "Earth Day" is also the Birthday of Lennin, the man who brought the World Communist Oppression to Billions of People? I am Sorry, I Will Not Support Earth Day or It's Goals - Unless You Disassociate yourselves from Communisim - which my Family Fought Their Way Out of in 1956 To come to America, the Land of Liberty and Freedom. Happy Easter to You All. Mike Balog U.A.I.C.-VT. * De Oppresso Liber * ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Miami Protesters Rage at Clinton over Elian Reunion (fwd)
The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel reported Friday that a group of ex-soldiers was quietly guarding the Gonzalez home to prevent U.S. agents from taking Elian. The group, calling itself Cuban People's Dignity Movement and Sounds like a fedspook troll group if I ever heard one... equipped with radio scanners and a dog, was maintaining a 24-hour watch on the home, the newspaper said. "We fought on the beaches of Korea, the rice fields of Vietnam and the sands of Iraq," the newspaper quoted one member of the group as saying. "And we are willing to sacrifice our lives to make sure Elian stays in this country." Well, I didn't see anyone sacrificing their lives this morning as the INS finally rescued Elian, well about time they did so... The Miami relatives have said they will not willingly turn Elian over to the government but will not resist if U.S. agents come to the house to take the boy. And now they're whining that U.S. agents indeed did so. Strange, those trashy Miami Cubans draw a line in the sand, and then complain when their bluff is called and the line was crossed... On another matter, I notice the very early reports in the media regarding the INS raid, mentioned how Elian was first brought to a hospital before being put on the helicopter that brought him to Homestead AFB for the flight to Andrews AFB... In and of itself, perhaps nothing remarkable...perhaps it's a bit of insurance, so that Elian's physical condition could be documented immediately, in case the Miami faction later claim the kid was hurt in the raid But the early reports stated that a SURGEON went along on the flight from Homestead to Andrews...later reports just stated a 'doctor'... I wonder why a SURGEON, as opposed to, say, a pediatrician, went along...was Elian subjected to some sort of surgical procedure at the hospital the INS brought him to? I wonder if perhaps some sort of tracking device might have been subdermally implanted? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
From: "silas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jesus had surrounded himself with loyal and trusted disciples. Including Judas. Church tradition to the contrary, there is nothing in the Gospels to show that Jesus did not care deeply for Judas...in fact, since he seems to have been the 'treasurer' of the group, one could say that Jesus held him in higher regard than the other disciples (at least in respect of Judas' business and financial acumen)... His 'triumphal' entry into Jerusalem was obviously stage managed and seems to have been done to create as much attention as possible. And to conform to OT prophesy... Look at the reaction of Judas when handed the sop. "Must it be me Lord?" or words to that effect. "Yes, do what you must do and do it quickly". At which point Judas leaves the room and has been vilified for two thousand years. It's hard at this point to adequately assess what exactly went down at this meal... after all, all we have are accounts written decades after the event, and filtered thru the sensibilities and prejudices not only of the original writers, but later interpreters... If indeed Jesus was setting up His own 'betrayal', it could be that He wanted to keep everyone except Judas in the dark about just how much everything WAS orchestrated... Therefore He would speak circumspectly, so much so that almost all, if not all, of the other disciples wouldn't catch the full meaning of what He was saying...all except Judas, who was 'in' on it... Also, his subsequent actions seem to attest to his loyalty. After 'betraying ' Jesus and obtaining 30 pieces of silver, he promptly gives it back! Hardly the action of a traitorous mercenary. And then he apparently commits suicide. IF he committed suicide, it would then imply that things didn't go down as they had been planned, and Judas' was so overcome with grief that he decided to take his own life... BUT...some passages imply that Judas had been slashed open with a knife, before 'hanging himself'...obviously one DOESN'T hang oneself after being slashed open with a knife, so there is an implication that perhaps Judas' death was NOT self-imposed... If so, it then raises the question as to who would 'off' Judas? The remaining disciples? Perhaps if they had, we could understand why they would...but can we accept that these disciples of Christ would murder someone in cold blood that way? Or would the 'perps' be some faction that had a vested interest in not having the 'real story' come out, and had a need to get rid of the one person who could reveal the truth of the whole matter? And that kiss. Why? Would it not have been easier to point Jesus out "That's him over there in the grey robe" or something like that. I would have thought that the kiss was either from Judas to say "I have done as you asked Lord, may God forgive me.", or from Jesus "Thank you for doing the hardest thing that I have ever asked any man to do". Perhaps. But again, it's hard to adequately assess this scene with the versions we now have...and especially since it's been represented in art and in film and TV with the Temple Guard standing close at hand...so that Judas is seen as an obvious 'betrayer' in front of the other disciples... But what if the Guard were off a ways, perhaps hiding behind bushes or rocks...and they see 12 men milling around. Who's the one they should grab? Judas, hiding with the guard, and knowing that the scenario that Jesus has set up requires that Judas' active participation not be revealed to the other disciples, tells the Guard "Listen, I'll go up and give Jesus a kiss as I greet him...that way you'll know who to grab later..." And Judas then leaves the Guard, and reunites with the group of Jesus and the disciples as if he was just returning from an errand...and gives Jesus that kiss. Perhaps Judas and Jesus had agreed beforehand on the kiss as a certain unspoken signal, perhaps a sign to let Jesus know that 'Everything is all set'... And then some time goes by...perhaps only a few minutes, perhaps a half hour or more...again, tradition has presented us with the scenario of the Guard and Judas both arriving at the same time, but in fact there could have been a gap in time, as the Guard assessed the best time to grab Jesus with a minimal amount of trouble... But they finally do make their move, and grab Jesus...and a few disciples do draw swords, but Jesus stops them from doing any harm (and from being harmed)... From the other disciples' point of view, Judas wouldn't have seemed to have been involved in causing Jesus to be arrested...at the most, they may have thought that Judas had been careless, and not realized he had been 'tailed' by the Temple Guard to their 'hideout'...but there was nothing else in Judas' behavior that would have caused them to believe that he had actually brought the Guard to that place... It is my contention, at present, that Judas, far from being the traitor of popular belief, was in fact a brave,
Re: [CTRL] New Look at Ancient Betrayer (fwd)
From: "Nicola Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] HA HA HA Perry Mason tries to analyze the actions of the King of the Universe. 0/10 Stick with your evolution you haven't the depth for religion sorry. Well you did ask... Nicky ps you weren't there were you? And neither were you... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] My China Policy, by L. Neil Smith
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Starship Trooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My China Policy, by L. Neil Smith Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 1:59 AM http://www.lns2000.org/lns2324.html My China Policy By L. Neil Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] See it soon in The Libertarian Enterprise http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/ Every other day, all the online news services I read are full of China rattling its ideologically rusty ken at America, usually over control of the island nation of Taiwan. Recently, having failed to intimidate Taiwanese voters out of choosing a candidate -- from a new party, the first time since the little nation's birth in 1949 -- sworn to declare full independence from the mainland, they've begun mustering huge numbers of troops on the coast and making threatening 100-fighter flyovers. China claims Taiwan as a lost province, sort of the way Ethiopia "belonged" to Italy. Leaders and people of Taiwan are those -- or the descendants of those -- who escaped Mao's butchery back in the 1940s. Taiwan's repressive government is nothing worth defending (the new electee promises changes), but for a long time the US government backed it to the hilt. My earliest political memories are of China railing at America over Taiwan. Well, practically my earliest memories. I also recall a Korean War in which China (and Russia, to a degree unrealized by most people) found a way to get someone else, the poor dumb North Koreans, to fight their battles for them. That war has never ended officially. Not surprisingly China represents new hope for western Cold Warriors, lonely and afraid in a world that got remade despite their best -- or worst -- efforts to the contrary. Here they were, never having to stand down from the power, prestige, and plenty of World War II, playing with thousands of trillions of bucks, running roughshod over the unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human rights of everybody on the planet -- when the damned Russians had the bad manners to wimp out! Now they'll tell you they won the Cold War, citing this or that policy or program, trying to make heroes of themselves. But the Soviet Empire was doomed -- as I said in my novel The Nagasaki Vector almost a decade before it happened -- to collapse of its own weight. If the Cold Warriors had really had their way, that collapse would never have happened. After all, they subsidized and supported the poor lame Soviets for seven decades. Who wants to lose a cushy job? Now, having only their phony War on Drugs, right wing militias that look statesmanlike compared to the current administration, and the cardboard specter of international terrorism to fall back on, the Cold Warriors, desperate to retain their hold on this culture, are trying to pump life back into their second string foe. Why else did Clinton hand nuclear secrets and guided missile technology to them? Campaign contributions are the insignificant tip of the iceberg. Rush Limbaugh won't tell you that, any more than Dan Rather would. They're both part of the dirtiest racket in history. Washington needs a credible enemy to keep from forking over the Peace Dividend it's owed us for 10 years. Let there be no misunderstanding: the Chinese government is evil and violent. Almost as evil and violent as a government that confined, tortured, poison-gassed, machinegunned, and incinerated 82 helpless, innocent individuals -- 22 of them harmless beautiful little children -- in their own church in broad daylight, on national TV, put its pitiable handful of surviving victims on trial for having defended themselves, and once they were duly acquitted of any wrongdoing, threw them in prison anyway for 40 years. Nor is it just Clinton. Bush 1.0 barely spanked the hands of China's leaders over Tien Anmen Square because that's how all leaders of the modern Management State wish to govern: Zero Tolerance for individual liberty. It's the treatment we can expect whether Algore or Bush 2.0 is elected in November -- policywise, they're identical peas in a New World Order pod. But certain inconvenient facts get in the way of turning China into the next boogeyman to scare taxpayers with. Even Algore and 2.0 want to sell things to a billion customers -- hard to do if you're reliving the Cold War. For their part, China's aging leaders want the fruits of economic freedom and the progress it engenders -- but without allowing people anything resembling political liberty. They should get along well with the current crop of Republicans; they want exactly the same thing. The basic model for both is Franco's Spain. Another inconvenient fact is that (with rare exceptions like Tibet) for many centuries, China -- even Red China -- has not been particularly expansionistic. They've always had peculiar ideas about other countries, none of which have
Re: [CTRL] The Hackers Are Out There
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: R A L E I G H, N.C., April 20 - A hacker disrupted service for 36 hours at the Web site that published satellite images of Area 51, the top-secret Air Force test site in Nevada that has fascinated UFO and conspiracy theorists for decades. The attack, combined with traffic 10 times what the site usually bears, meant millions of people had difficulty accessing the site or could not connect with it at all, the company said today. Other than their own word for it, what proof do we have that's what happened? Isn't it far more likely that traffic was not 10, but 100 or even 1000 times over normal, that the server was simply swamped because the sysops hadn't been ready for it, and they are blaming hackers for their own short sightedness? Hackers make convenient scapegoats, but Occam's Razor says we should look for simpler explanations whenever possible. It makes far more sense that the sysops screwed up than hackers are to blame. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS (fwd)
From: "silas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something here? I thought that the boy was being reunited with his Father. Ah, but don't you realize that the father is a godless communist thug, too? And that 'family values' only apply if the family is rightwing conservative, capitalist, and Christian to boot? If the family is NOT of the same political, economic, and religious persuasion as you, then 'family values' no longer apply... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd:You Are Being Watched
If you read this at: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/16.html you will find that I have embedded a bunch of very interesting live links such as: http://is.gseis.ucla.edu/impact/f96/Projects/dengberg/index.html and others. Check 'em out. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state
Bring Hans and Nils Home Now! Nine year old twin brothers Hans and Nils Moodian-Pink were wrongfully taken by force from their mother's Berkeley home on Thursday April 20, 2000. Child Protective Services Investigator has admitted to the boy's mother, and sole legal guardian, that the witnesses and documentation provided to CPS Friday proves that false allegations of the children being isolated from society because they are being taught at home through the Berkeley Unified School District Independent Study Program, were used to take the children. This was reported to be "mental cruelty" but since then the evidence has proven the allegations wrong Hans and Nils should have been released to their mother. In spite of the facts Hans and Nils remain in custody!!! Their mother, Patricia, has not even been allowed to talk to them or see them. There are no allegations of neglect or physical abuse. There is no reason that these children should not be returned immediately. They need help! If you want to help please contact Patricia Moodian-Pink at (510) 666-0411 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or write Hans Nils PO Box 2632, Berkeley CA 94702 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Armed Federal Terrorists Kidnap Elian
When will good people in government act and go in and seize the global communist traitors who infest the highest offices in the land and bring them to swift judgement? Clinton and Reno's Nazi, black- shirted, ski-masked, puke-faced, jack-booted thugs enforce the globalist's new world order "rule of law". The Feds had NO right to do this. American law says he may stay here and apply for citizenship. Where was the Florida Governor? Hmmm? The global slavemasters will now drug this kid, brainwash him and send him back to a miserable life of Communist slavery. Not even a father has the right to deliver his child to slavery. As long as you are willing to give up your freedom and your Constitution for a good economy and security, you will be herded like sheep, shackled, and sheared. When you people finally wake up, you will all be slaves to these globalist scum. You have been Washington, De.Ceived. again. So give your kids some more ritilan, send them to the government indoctrination centers, go back to the couch and watch your CNN and drift back into your mindless complacency, pretend there is a difference between DemoRats and RepubliCons, it's for your own good. It's for the children. Those of you who are awake, buy more ammo. Today's Federal Government is like bad beer, the Scum rises to the top. -- "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." -Samuel Adams (1780), Father of the American Revolution *[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ Online Patriot Internet Radio: http://www.geocities.com/aresister_2000/ **Live Free or Die!* A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state
I know these people personally. Patty was my neighbor for a while fifteen years ago. We remained friends even though I moved away. I often do child care for Hans and Nils. I take them to parks and museums. I had them for five days last year while their mother was in the hospital having a lump cut out. I know these kids really well. Patty's an excellent, caring mother. She's a hardworking teetotaler and a better teacher than any I ever had. The kids are academically way ahead of their peers in public school. They are in no way isolated from the community or other kids. They have friends, both in the neighborhood and out. They spend a lot of time at the YMCA where their plan is to learn to be life guards so they can earn money for college. They're smart, funny, happy, healthy kids. They are NOT isolated just because they don't attent a state run school. I'm itching to testify in court to this effect and have numerous photographs to back up my case. So does Patty. The real problem is their father wants custody and his family are multi-millionaires. The grandfather was a Washington state senator for years. The father's family money and political influence has apparently been influential in manipulating the evaluator from child protective services. Before Patty left him, the father was neglective of the kids and physically abused them. Patty has a video tape of one of them with very fresh bruises from being viscously backhanded in the face by his father. On the tape he talks about how scared of his father he is. Patty submitted this tape to the evaluator, but it did no good. These kids do not want to be returned to their father. They are deathly afraid of him. When the cops came to take them away, they resisted. But they are only nine, and there were a dozen cops. They were quickly overwhelmed. Patty wisely did not resist and is not in jail. She is, however, in quite a jam and could use all the help and advice she can get. It looks like Wed. is the earliest she can get into court to plead her case. In the meantime the kids don't get to ride the float in the Earthday parade as they'd planned. They have to spend Easter in custody. If there is anything any of you can do or say to help, please do it, please do it NOW. Thanks in advance. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS (fwd)
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld From: "silas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I missing something here? I thought that the boy was being reunited with his Father. Ah, but don't you realize that the father is a godless communist thug, too? And that 'family values' only apply if the family is rightwing conservative, capitalist, and Christian to boot? If the family is NOT of the same political, economic, and religious persuasion as you, then 'family values' no longer apply... ;-) Gosh!!!.. Of course you are ABSOLUTELY correct here. :-) Silas June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds: armed kidnapping in Miami
http://www.ashevilletribune.com/elianraid.htm Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
And it's about time! Cudos to the government for finally taking action and for not allowing the Miami relatives to dictate terms... The "raid" was well-executed and very compelling... Now we see the true colors of the supposedly "peaceful and law-abiding" Miami Cubans...riots in the streets...what a mess! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mayor Carollo-Dim Bulb, Unfit For Job.
Elian seized in pre-dawn raid on Miami home United Press International - April 22, 2000 07:07 MIAMI, April 22 (UPI) -- Armed U.S. Immigration agents Saturday seized 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives where he has been staying. The raid by about 20 agents in two white vans took place at 5:15 a.m. while the federal government was negotiating with the family's attorneys. Agents broke down the door and there were reports of the use of pepper spray or tear gas. A female agent surrounded by male officers ran out of the house with Elian in her arms. The boy was placed in the White van and driven to nearby Watson Island where a helicopter was waiting. He was flown to Homestead Air Reserve Base and put on a jet which flew him to Atlanta. He will be later flown to the Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland where he will be reunited with his father. One woman who said she was inside the house said federal agents carried rifles, shot teargas inside the house and asked people to lie on the floor at gunpoint. Another witness said the agents shouted "bingo, bingo" when they located the boy in a closet. Television pictures showed agents pushed a woman to the ground outside the front door of the Gonzales home just as other agents emerged with the boy. An angry crowd lingered around the Gonzalez home after the boy was taken, occasionally throwing rocks, chairs or other objects. Family attorney Kendall Coffey was obviously angry that the raid took place while negotiations were taking place, but declined to make any comment until later. Miami Mayor Joe Carollo said he was outraged by the raid over the Easter weekend.. "These are atheists. They don't believe in God," he said. "There was no need to do this like this. These are hard-working men and women. I had no information at all that this was going to happen." Ramon Saul Sanchez, head of the anti-Castro Democracia Movement, called for a work stoppage but cautioned against violence. He said he was outraged that the raid took place on Easter weekend. Elian was taken away from the Miami home after hectic negotiations through Friday night failed to work out a cooperative transfer to his father. Elian Gonzalez has been the cause of a bitter custody battle between the United States and Cuba since he was rescued while he was clinging to an inner tube following a trip from Cuba that took the lives of 11 others, including his mother. He was placed in the care of the family of his great uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, who with the support of Miami's Cuban-American community tried to keep him in this country rather than send him back to his father in Cuba. His father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, wanted him back and the federal government backed him. He came to Washington more than two weeks ago and is being reunited with the boy Saturday. The family has appealed a court ruling allowing his return to his father, and oral arguments are set for the week of May 8. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report-Feds DIDN'T Fire At Davidiots!
Report: Federal agents didn't fire at Branch Davidians April 22, 2000 Web posted at: 4:54 AM EDT (0854 GMT) ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Federal agents did not fire at Branch Davidians in the 1993 siege that ended in a deadly blaze at the group's compound in Waco, Texas, according to a preliminary report from last month's simulation of the confrontation. Vector Data Systems, the British firm that conducted the simulation, provided the written report to U.S. District Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. earlier this month. The test was performed March 19 in Fort Hood, Texas. Vector found that flashes produced by sunlight reflecting off debris were considerably longer in duration than flashes produced by gunfire, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported today, citing informed sources. That finding would support the government's claim that similar flashes seen on a 1993 infrared tape were the result of sunlight reflecting off debris from the crumbling complex, not gunfire. Vector also reported that the infrared cameras in aircraft above the Fort Hood simulation site picked up flashes from six of the nine weapons tested. But wherever flashes were visible from weapons, the shooters also were visible, the sources said. Flashes on the 1993 Waco tape do not show shooters. Vector followed up the preliminary report with an oral briefing for Smith last Monday. Mike Caddell, the lead counsel for the Branch Davidians, said Smith has not yet relayed the conclusions of Vector's oral report. He interpreted that as "a bad sign for my side." But, Caddell said, he has strong evidence on other issues that he will stress at the June trial of the Branch Davidians' wrongful death suit against the government. Among them are the Davidians' claim that the FBI failed to provide fire equipment as instructed by Attorney General Janet Reno and that the FBI commanders on the scene abused their discretion by prematurely knocking down part of the complex. Regardless of Vector's conclusions, Caddell plans to present his own experts who will argue that the flashes on the 1993 tape are from government guns. He acknowledges that his experts cannot show that any particular Branch Davidian died from a government bullet. Vector was hired to conduct the test by Special Counsel John Danforth who, in September, was appointed by Reno to oversee an independent investigation into the standoff and fire. The appointment came amid criticism following revelations that the FBI, contradicting a position it had taken for six years, used potentially incendiary devices on the last day of the 51-day standoff on April 19, 1993. David Koresh and about 80 followers died. Reno and the FBI deny any wrongdoing. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SNET: COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT THUGS (fwd)
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: THEY TURNED A HELPLESS LITTLE BOY OVER TO THE COMMUNIST MURDERER , FIDEL CASTRO! Instead would you prefer he be turned over to capitalist murderer, Bill Clinton, like his mother wanted? Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Either way, the kid's scarred for life. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
Usually I think anything Reno does is stupid and sometimes illegal, and I have no trust in her as our nations top law enforcement official (what a joke that is) but in this case she did the right thing and handled it well, under the circumstances. Send the child to Cuba with his father, or subject everyone in this country who thinks he should stay to the same standards they wish to set regarding their own children. In other words if some relatives in China take their child in and they want him to come back home with them, being his parent, and the Chinese relatives say no then abandon the child to China. I don't think any parent would want the same to happen to them. On Sat, 22 April 2000, "Robert F. Tatman" wrote: It seems to me that this operation was handled as a hostage rescue...which it was. And more than that, it was a *successful* hostage rescue--a minimum of violence, no casualties on either side, a smooth and rapid extraction of the child from the house. The White House appropriately left the situation in the hands of the Attorney General; she negotiated far longer than she legally needed to; and she acted only when her patience was completely exhausted. The disingenuous proclamations of outrage by the Cuban exiles and anti-Clintonistas are completely absurd hypocrisy, especially when they come from people who have pursued a cynical vision of "family values." - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 5:36 AM Subject: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home Saturday April 22 5:31 AM ET Elian Seized From Relatives' Home MIAMI (AP) - Armed federal agents stormed into the Miami home of Elian Gonzalez's relatives in a pre-dawn maneuver today and left with the 6-year- old boy, firing tear gas into the crowd as they left. snipped for bandwidth A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Earth Day 2000
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I Will Not Support Earth Day or It's Goals - Unless You Disassociate yourselves from Communisim - which my Family Fought Their Way Out of in 1956 To come to America, the Land of Liberty and Freedom. Happy Easter to You All. (1.) The enviroment transcends politics. When Chernobyl burned both communist Ukrainianians and capitalist Swedes got dosed with radiation. (2.) If you're going to live in America, learn the language we use here. In our language we do not capitalize every word. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nat'l Counc Churches
From InsightMag.Com
"As the NCCs president-elect, Young defended Chinas human-rights
record and Castros Cuban dictatorship. Whatever the future holds for his two-
year term as NCC president an unpaid position but similar to a corporations
chairman of the board he certainly knows how to lead a movement into the
Democratic Party, say critics. "
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InsightMag.com
Edgar Politicizes the Social Gospel
By Aimee Howd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two former Democratic Party partisans have taken the leadership of the liberal
National Council of Churches and may hope to make it into a left-wing political
powerhouse.
Two former Democratic congressmen, Bob Edgar and Andrew Young, have assumed the
top positions at the National Council of Churches, or NCC. The surprising news
is not that they are men of the left but that they are aggressive political
partisans. From the time the NCC was born in 1949, replacing the left-wing
Federal Council of Churches after World War II, its leaders have been advocates
of the social gospel. As it celebrates its 50th anniversary this year, the NCC
is seeking to regain some of the momentum it has lost since liberalisms heyday
in the 1960s.
Money is a problem. Global relief efforts through its mission unit,
Church World Service and Witness, or CWS, bring in roughly 80 percent of its
$60 million annual budget. This goes to famine relief in Ethiopia, su
rvival kits for cyclone victims in Mozambique and help for AIDS patients in Africa.
The CWS has mor
e than three times the budget and twice the staff of all the other NCC operations
combined. Some co
ntributors dont like t
he increasing amount that the NCC extracts from CWS donations for other purposes.
Certainly, the social and political positions NCC leaders have trumpeted
through its Washing
ton legislative office and a steady stream of political resolutions have wrought
controversy within
member denominations a
nd criticism from others. Their radicalization came in the 1960s, says Alan Wisdom,
vice presiden
t of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, a religious watchdog group founded to
combat the perc
eived liberalism of mai
nline churches. The NCC became a harsh critic of U.S. policy in Vietnam and began to
publish thing
s critical of the United States but sympathetic to Marxist policies.
There were the laudatory statements about Fidel Castros government in Cuba,
the cheering of
the revolution in China and the stunned statements of horror after Ronald Reagan was
elected presi
dent. There were those
public prayers against Republicans during the government shutdown of 1995. And there
was the public
letter signed by NCC leaders during President Clintons impeachment calling for
absolution of the
president, a return to
the real needs of the people and the raising of voices of reconciliation, grace,
mercy and redee
ming love. This March, there was the advertisement Edgar placed in California
newspapers decrying
the effort of Propositi
on 22 to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
The NCC Website (www.nccusa.org) catalogs statements in support of
affirmative action, gun control, opposition to welfare reform, more funding for
government schools, stricter environmental regulation, racial justice,
environmental justice, womens justice and so on, echoing the Democratic Party
platform loudly.
Lately, the NCC has been active in affirming the high quality of life
that Cuba with its great educational system and socialized health care has
to offer Elian Gonzalez if only the United States will let him go home to
Castro. Rep. Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican, recently told reporters that
the NCC has a history of underestimating the repression of communist regimes.
But while the NCC has been proud to promote liberal social goals under
the auspices of advancing holy writ, the religious organization never before
has sported a pair of leaders with such overtly political biographies and such
partisan connections.
It is interesting that Andrew Young and Bob Edgar were both members of
Congress, were both pastors when we took office, Edgar himself muses to
Insight, and that we both still balance political passions with the passions
of the Old and New testaments, and theres a blending of that in our public
life.
An ordained United Methodist elder, Edgar was the first Democrat in 120
years to be elected to Congress from his highly Republican Pennsylvania
district as a result of the reaction to Watergate in 1974. He joined in
revisionist investigations of the assassinations of the Rev. Martin Luther King
Jr. and John F. Kennedy and fought what he called pork-barrel water projects
as a crusading environmentalist. He held the seat for five terms until 1986
when he braved and lost a Senate run against moderate GOP incumbent Arlen
Specter. Later, he served a stint as finance director for a presidential bid by
Sen. Paul Simon
[CTRL] Los Alamos' Holes
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[CTRL] Globalisation: Darkly
From LeMondeDiplomatique
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/en/
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CRIME, THE WORLD'S BIGGEST FREE ENTERPRISE
The dark side of globalisation
by JEAN DE MAILLARD *
By linking scarcity to price, the universal gospel of liberal thought teaches
that exploiting scarcity is the fountain of all wealth. It follows that the
foundation of any righteous economy is the market players' ability to get hold
of the scarce commodities that will make them rich. But what is scarce in a
world where the development of new technologies makes distance a thing of the
past and "niches" of scarcity in the tightest nooks and crannies accessible for
exploitation?
This new ability raises an important question: is it really right to produce
particular goods or services and trade in them? The free marketeers tend to
forget that, while the laws of the market do entail a degree of self-
regulation, this does not mean that society has no right, through its elected
representatives, to set the rules of the game and say what may be traded and
what may not. Without that, the only law that remains is the law of the jungle
where man is reduced to an object that can be turned into money and marketed at
will.
Sadly, the deregulation that is so much a feature of today's globalisation has
not learned any of this. Quite the reverse, it has opened up a new market on a
planetary scale, the depths of which have hardly yet been plumbed and which
people would rather not admit exists. It is in fact the dark side of economic
and financial globalisation, the constant reminder of a truth the horrors of
which people would prefer to conceal. It is the market in law, exploited by
crime. Since crime is a phenomenon inseparable from any human community, every
society, therefore, not only has the crimes it deserves, but also those that
resemble it and make it what it is. A global society claiming to be built on
the ruins of national laws without trying to rebuild social standards on
another level, changes the agora into a vast bazaar where even governments rush
to sell their regulations to the highest bidder.
The scarce thing is not, of course, crime, but what it exploits: the law, which
three developments have transformed into a market. First of all, countries have
opened their borders wider to criminal trades more than to any other kind.
Doubtless they had little choice, since the real pioneers of globalisation, the
1960s drugs traffickers, obviously did not ask anyone's permission before
organising trade in the world's most expensive and profitable commodity on a
global scale.
But history is not without its irony, as the American authorities have found to
their cost. Worried about the revival of the heroin market in the early 1970s,
which they blamed entirely on French chemists and traffickers, they demanded
that the government of the day root out the famous French Connection, then
based in Marseilles, which it did. But the only concrete result of its
elimination was to encourage secondary outbreaks all over the world, as
trafficking was taken over by the Sicilian and North American mafias. The
networks' centre of gravity then shifted to the United States, that great
trading nation and apologist of free trade. The rest we know.
What are we to learn from this? Crime has become one of the most flourishing
economic activities, run by professionals who have taken on board all the rules
of modern management. Capable of a flexibility unmatched in the formal economy,
they are able to exploit all the scarce resources offered by economic,
political and social instability anywhere in the world. They have made it the
substance of their activity and the source of their tremendous profits. If we
were asked for a brief definition of today's serious crime, it is the ability
to take advantage of the differentials produced by the deficiencies in
political, economic and social regulation anywhere in the world and at any
time.
An exodus of refugees fleeing a war-torn country is held to ransom by the mafia-
organised clandestine emigration networks. A country whose underprivileged
resort to the synthetic paradise of drugs for a few moments' oblivion makes its
thousands and millions of addicts easy prey for the world's fortune hunters.
What country is not so affected? A country where the gap between rich and poor
and social disparities are so great that the most wretched have only their
bodies to sell is swooped upon by networks of traffickers doing a most
profitable trade in human beings, be they women, children, workers or sources
of organs for transplant.
The list of social ills has become endless. Some societies are rich but have
their poor to exploit; others are poor, but have their rich to exploit them,
poverty having become the choice raw material with which to manufacture a
commodity made valuable by society's taboos. Because they are banned by laws
they are powerless to enforce.
The two other developments that have made the law a thriving market for those
[CTRL] Quack Sentenced
09:27 PM ET 04/20/00 Coffee Enema Doctor Sentenced By SAMUEL MAULL= Associated Press Writer= NEW YORK (AP) _ A doctor who received network television attention for unusual cancer treatments that include coffee enemas was told by a jury Thursday to pay the husband of a dead patient $282,000. The jury found Dr. Nicholas J. Gonzalez negligent for telling Hollace Schafer, a college music professor, that by testing her hair he could diagnose the state of her cancer and prescribe appropriate treatment. Schafer died in 1995. The verdict was the second against the 51-year-old Gonzalez. In 1997, a jury ordered him to pay the family of Julianne Charell, 64, more than $2 million because of his unorthodox treatment of her uterine cancer. The jury in the Schafer case found Gonzalez negligent for not arranging proper testing to determine her condition, and they found that this contributed to her death from Hodgkin's disease _ cancer of the lymph system. Schafer's husband, Jack C. Gray, sued Gonzalez in 1996, charging that he used ``quackery'' instead of proven medical regimens to treat his wife with vitamins, dietary manipulation, purges, animal tissue extracts, and enzymes. Gray's lawyer, Maria del Pilar Ocasio, said Gonzalez's cancer treatment also called for four to 10 coffee enemas a day to ``detoxify'' Schafer's gastrointestinal system. Ocasio said the doctor ``brainwashed'' Schafer to make her believe this would work. Schafer, 40 when she died in 1995, was first diagnosed with cancer in 1977, Ocasio said. Twice she had been treated with chemotherapy and twice her cancer had gone into remission. When the cancer appeared a third time, she decided to try alternative treatment. The jury found Schafer, an assistant professor at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass., 51 percent liable for her own death, while Gonzalez was ruled 49 percent liable. The apportioning of liability showed the jury believed the defense argument that Schafer, a Ph.D. in musicology, was an intelligent woman who researched her treatment options and chose Gonzalez. Gonzalez's cancer treatment was the topic of an ABC news special and a segment on CBS's ''48 Hours.'' A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state
Sounds very similar to Janet Wiegand's kids in CT, money and/or connections - Original Message - From: nessie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state I know these people personally. Patty was my neighbor for a while fifteenyears ago. We remained friends even though I moved away. I often do childcare for Hans and Nils. I take them to parks and museums. I had them forfive days last year while their mother was in the hospital having a lumpcut out. I know these kids really well. Patty's an excellent, caringmother. She's a hardworking teetotaler and a better teacher than any Iever had. The kids are academically way ahead of their peers in publicschool. They are in no way isolated from the community or other kids. Theyhave friends, both in the neighborhood and out. They spend a lot of timeat the YMCA where their plan is to learn to be life guards so they canearn money for college. They're smart, funny, happy, healthy kids. Theyare NOT isolated just because they don't attent a state run school. I'mitching to testify in court to this effect and have numerous photographsto back up my case. So does Patty.The real problem is their father wants custody and his family aremulti-millionaires. The grandfather was a Washington state senator foryears. The father's family money and political influence has apparentlybeen influential in manipulating the evaluator from child protectiveservices. Before Patty left him, the father was neglective of the kids andphysically abused them. Patty has a video tape of one of them with veryfresh bruises from being viscously backhanded in the face by his father.On the tape he talks about how scared of his father he is. Patty submittedthis tape to the evaluator, but it did no good.These kids do not want to be returned to their father. They are deathlyafraid of him. When the cops came to take them away, they resisted. Butthey are only nine, and there were a dozen cops. They were quicklyoverwhelmed. Patty wisely did not resist and is not in jail. She is,however, in quite a jam and could use all the help and advice she can get.It looks like Wed. is the earliest she can get into court to plead hercase. In the meantime the kids don't get to ride the float in theEarthday parade as they'd planned. They have to spend Easter in custody.If there is anything any of you can do or say to help, please do it,please do it NOW.Thanks in advance.A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordidmattersand 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.htmlA HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
[CTRL] Elian Picture
Doesn't look to traumatized to me...hmmm...
[CTRL] A Different Orbit
From Salon.Com
~~
The following quote extracted from the article that follows is something --
one among many things -- I've noticed as well. Another is the idea of the U.S.
as being this warm, soft pillow for the down-trodden and tired and whathaveyou
on which the peoples of the world can rest their weary heads. My forebears
were also immigrants, one side in this century, the other (at least) a few
centuries ago. Things were a little different back then -- a person, a family,
a group came to hew, to plow, to build their place, not relying on the
benevolence of the government but on the ability to stand shoulder to shoulder
with their neighbours.
Funny thing about Americans: whenever they get dissatisfied with things at
home, they got no place to flee to. They all gotta stay put and put up with
things or put their lives on the line to effect changes. No place to run, no
place to hide, no asylum ... just spirit, resolve, and the desire to stand on
their own two feet and move forward AER
" One of the most disturbing elements of the Elián saga is the irrational,
mystical, quasi-religious aura that has emerged around the figure of the child,
a virtual Elián cult. "
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salon.com News April 21, 2000
URL: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/04/21/miami
A world of their own
The Miami media recognizes and helps perpetuate a separate reality for Cuban
exiles.
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By Max Castro
"Family Defies Order," read the headline in the Miami Herald last Friday.
"Jubilo en Miami" (Jubilation in Miami) blared the headline in the same day's
El Nuevo Herald, the Miami Herald's Spanish-language sister publication, a
daily that regularly dishes out a version of reality at odds with that of the
English edition, and most of the U.S. press.
Miami in the days of Elián is a tale of two cities, and nowhere is the schism
more evident than in the pages of the city's two main dailies, despite the fact
that both papers are published in the same building and owned by the same
company, the Miami Herald Publishing Company, itself owned by Knight-Ridder.
The Herald, with its split personality, at once chronicles, mirrors and
perpetuates racial and ethnic divisions that predate the Elián case but have
now come to a head. After Miami relatives of Elián González failed to meet the
Justice Department's deadline for turning the child over and the government
declined to act, subscribers to the Miami Herald read a sobering tale of
defiance of the law, while El Nuevo Herald readers were treated to a
description of mass relief and joy over what was construed as a reprieve from
deportation. The stark difference in slant reflected a systematic pattern
present also in other media. Coverage by Miami's two Spanish-language
television stations was relentlessly sympathetic to those who want to keep
Elián in the United States.
Beyond their personal and passionate relation to the subject of Cuba, one
reason most Miami Cuban-Americans have such strikingly different views from
other Americans on Elián and issues like the embargo is that the part of the
press that caters to them strives mightily to tell them what they want to hear.
Examples are legion and sometimes comical, with recurring reports of Fidel
Castro's death at the top of the list.
One Sunday El Nuevo Herald carried a huge headline trumpeting the tale of a
Cuban neurosurgeon who had recently treated the Cuban president for a near-
fatal condition. Every aspect of the story turned out to be a complete
fabrication concocted by a nursing-school dropout masquerading as a doctor who
even lied about her name.
Little wonder then that the Elián case has underlined the fact that many Cuban-
Americans live in a separate reality when it comes to certain issues. A Herald
poll published April 9 showed 83 percent of Cuban-Americans want Elián to stay
with his South Florida relatives. That contrasts with the majority opinion of
Americans, and even more sharply with the attitudes of their African-American
and Anglo neighbors in Miami, who favor the return of Elián to his father in
Cuba by 92 percent and 76 percent respectively.
Many Cuban-Americans believe that fellow Americans disagree with them because
the national media has not told their story. But nowhere in the United States
has the media cast a more critical eye on the Cuban government of Fidel Castro
nor portrayed Cuban-Americans in a more sympathetic light than in Miami, and
yet here other Americans are even less attuned to the Cuban exile view of the
world.
For a Cuban-American like myself, whose views are distinctly in the minority in
this exceedingly emotional case, the Elián tragedy and our community's
isolation is excruciatingly sad and profoundly disturbing. I live in the heart
of the old Cuban community in Miami, not in a new suburb like most of my fellow
Cuban-American professionals. The house where Elián González is staying is five
minutes away by car. Yet I feel a million miles distant.
Am
[CTRL] Disney And U.F.O'S
Read @ http://www.sightings.com/politics6/disufo.htm Disney's Legendary 'Alien Encounters' Sneak TV Documentary Quotes 3-10-00 Several years ago, the Disney company aired a major one-hour television Special, with no advance notice, on stations in only 5 US cities. Thanks to a few viewers who were able to roll their vcrs and capture it, we have a record of the startling quotes and statements it contained. In light of the current, purported 'rift' between Disney and NASA over the content of Disney's new film, "Mission To Mars", I thought it pertinent to revisit those quotes. My thanks to my colleague Michael Lindemann of CNI News for his file containing the many arresting and downright shocking statements in that Disney special...which appears now, as it did then, to have been a definite probe to measure public reaction to news of the reality of visitation and interaction with various forms of non-human intelligent life. Remember, the quotes you are about to read were delivered by Disney CEO Michael Eisner and program narrator Robert Urich with straight, matter-of-fact, totally serious cadence and inflection. Script excerpts from "Alien Encounters From New Tomorrowland" All quotes were spoken by host/narrator Robert Urich unless otherwise noted. INTRO sequence, over various UFO photos and film: "This is not swamp gas. It is not a flock of birds. This is an actual spacecraft from another world, piloted by alien intelligence, one sighting from tens of thousands made over the last fifty years on virtually every continent on the globe. Intelligent life from distant galaxies is now attempting to make open contact with the human race. And tonight, we'll show you the evidence." Michael Eisner [standing in front of what looks like a military hangar, guarded by about a dozen heavily armed troops]: "Tonight we celebrate the New Tomorrowland at Walt Disney World in Florida with a television special that's out of this world. Hello, I'm Michael Eisner, head of the Walt Disney Company. At a top secret military installation somewhere in the United States, there are those who believe that the government is hiding the remains of an alien spacecraft that mysteriously crashed to earth. With more and more scientific evidence of alien encounters and UFO sightings, the idea of creatures from another planet might not be as far-fetched as we once thought. In fact, one of you out there could have the next alien encounter. Enjoy tonight's special. I'm going to walk over and see if I can sneak a peak. (soldiers raise weapons) Maybe not!" Urich: "Scientific verification of extraterrestrial life forms routinely arriving on earth -- top secret reports from ongoing military investigations -- compelling home videos of alien craft captured within the last few months -- world figures who have gone public with their own extraterrestrial experiences -- the shocking history of government misinformation programs designed to prevent widespread panic -- and personal accounts of those who have been abducted and studied against their will... "From beyond the boundaries of our perceptions, intelligent beings are beckoning mankind to join the galactic community. It's an invitation which is both wondrous and terrifying. This is the nature of alien encounters. "Now as we approach the new millennium, mankind is in the midst of the most profound event in history -- actual contact with intelligent life from other planets. For nearly
[CTRL] The Emergence of the American Police State
America! America! Why have you forsaken the Fourth Amendment? There was no Warrant for the Search! No person is safe in the security of their home; due process has been trampled by that immoral creature and his minions. I am doing everything possible to suppress my negative-emotions. I can only Pray that the Light of our Lord will shine brightly come November 7 and then the Spirit of right over wrong will prevail. So much human misery has been shed to protect our Constitution. Why have you forsaken your Freedom to the ideology of the Culture of Death. I will say no more on the Elian matter. -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings and devours your Soul. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Cuban Exile Community-Peaceful?? Law-Abiding???
Excerpted from http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2000-04-20/mullin.html The following list of violent incidents I compiled from a variety of databases and news sources (a few come from personal experience). It is incomplete, especially in Miami's trademark category of bomb threats. Nor does it include dozens of acts of violence and murder committed by Cuban exiles in other U.S. cities and at least sixteen foreign countries. But completeness isn't the point. The point is to face the truth, no matter how difficult that may be. If Miami's Cuban exiles confront this shameful past -- and resolutely disavow it -- they will go a long way toward easing their neighbors' anxiety about a peaceful future. 1968 From MacArthur Causeway, pediatrician Orlando Bosch fires bazooka at a Polish freighter. (City of Miami later declares "Orlando Bosch Day." Federal agents will jail him in 1988.) 1972 Julio Iglesias, performing at a local nightclub, says he wouldn't mind "singing in front of Cubans." Audience erupts in anger. Singer requires police escort. Most radio stations drop Iglesias from playlists. One that doesn't, Radio Alegre, receives bomb threats. 1974 Exile leader José Elias de la Torriente murdered in his Coral Gables home after failing to carry out a planned invasion of Cuba. 1974 Bomb blast guts the office of Spanish-language magazine Replica. 1974 Several small Cuban businesses, citing threats, stop selling Replica. 1974 Three bombs explode near a Spanish-language radio station. 1974 Hector Diaz Limonta and Arturo Rodriguez Vives murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1975 Luciano Nieves murdered after advocating peaceful coexistence with Cuba. 1975 Another bomb damages Replica's office. 1976 Rolando Masferrer and Ramon Donestevez murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1976 Car bomb blows off legs of WQBA-AM news director Emilio Milian after he publicly condemns exile violence. 1977 Juan José Peruyero murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1979 Cuban film Memories of Underdevelopment interrupted by gunfire and physical violence instigated by two exile groups. 1979 Bomb discovered at Padron Cigars, whose owner helped negotiate release of 3600 Cuban political prisoners. 1979 Bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1980 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1980 Powerful anti-personnel bomb discovered at American Airways Charter, which arranges flights to Cuba. 1981 Bomb explodes at Mexican Consulate on Brickell Avenue in protest of relations with Cuba. 1981 Replica's office again damaged by a bomb. 1982 Two outlets of Hispania Interamericana, which ships medicine to Cuba, attacked by gunfire. 1982 Bomb explodes at Venezuelan Consulate in downtown Miami in protest of relations with Cuba. 1982 Bomb discovered at Nicaraguan Consulate. 1982 Miami Mayor Maurice Ferre defends $10,000 grant to exile commando group Alpha 66 by noting that the organization "has never been accused of terrorist activities inside the United States." 1983 Another bomb discovered at Replica. 1983 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1983 Bomb explodes at Paradise International, which arranges travel to Cuba. 1983 Bomb explodes at Little Havana office of Continental National Bank, one of whose executives, Bernardo Benes, helped negotiate release of 3600 Cuban political prisoners. 1983 Miami City Commissioner Demetrio Perez seeks to honor exile terrorist Juan Felipe de la Cruz, accidentally killed while assembling a bomb. (Perez is now a member of the Miami-Dade County Public School Board and owner of the Lincoln-Martí private school where Elian Gonzalez is enrolled.) 1983 Gunfire shatters windows of three Little Havana businesses linked to Cuba. 1986 South Florida Peace Coalition members physically attacked in downtown Miami while demonstrating against Nicaraguan contra war. 1987 Bomb explodes at Cuba Envios, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes at Almacen El Español, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes at Cubanacan, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Car belonging to Bay of Pigs veteran is firebombed. 1987 Bomb explodes at Machi Viajes a Cuba, which arranges travel to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes outside Va Cuba, which ships packages to Cuba. 1988 Bomb explodes at Miami Cuba, which ships medical supplies to Cuba. 1988 Bomb threat against Iberia Airlines in protest of Spain's relations with Cuba. 1988 Bomb explodes outside Cuban Museum of Art and Culture after auction of paintings by Cuban artists. 1988 Bomb explodes outside home of Maria Cristina Herrera, organizer of a conference on U.S.-Cuba relations. 1988 Bomb threat against WQBA-AM after commentator denounces Herrera bombing. 1988 Bomb threat at local office of Immigration and Naturalization Service in protest of terrorist Orlando Bosch being jailed. 1988 Bomb explodes near home of Griselda Hidalgo, advocate of unrestricted travel to Cuba. 1988 Bomb damages Bele Cuba Express, which ships packages
Re: [CTRL] Megalithic Science, Harmonics Energy Grids
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Megalithic Science, Harmonics Energy Grids There might be a point to all this. It might even be somewhat understood if the exponent didn't argue in basic gobbledegook. flw A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hiatus
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[CTRL] [smashthestate] Fwd: Mark Of The Beast - This is Scary Stuff People
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: UncleWill 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [smashthestate] Fwd: Mark Of The Beast - This is Scary Stuff People Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:30 PM --Original Message-- Nicky Malloy posts to a listserv from New Zealand, His posts are often shocking, but I welcome the ability to remove the "shock factor" of things coming to light, now. His stuff is always well researched and presented for the layman`s comprehension, here is an eye opener to say the least... --- Nicola Molloy wrote: This is Scary Stuff People - Mark Of The Beast Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:30:16 -0700 From: Victoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Global Glory Someone asked privately about NID I have written articles on National ID. http://presys.com/~ekklesia/issue9w.htm The ekklesia Newsletter issue 9 The Seal Deal - Neither buy nor sell NATIONAL IDENTIFICATION The 666 section Redemption They have been turning drivers license into N ID behind the scene with free computers and software to the states. This is a long post but it shows you how this stuff comes about. All they need is a good national emergency and people will line up for new IDs and the system is already present to do it through DMVs. SCAN THIS NEWS July 4, 1999 THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL ID PLAN This article memorializes, for posterity sake, the establishment of the national identification system in America. A lot of people, just now being confronted with the national ID laws, are quick to blame President Clinton. He certainly is an easy target. But the reality is that the Republicans are solely responsible for these programs, as you will see below. How The Republicans Implemented the Democrats' National ID Plan An Historical Account By Scott McDonald http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1/fp-republican-id-plan.html One day, in the not too distant future, a generation of Americans is going to wake up and ask: "How did we become shackled with a government that tracks, monitors, regulates, controls, and dictates our every move?" Let the historical record show, it was the Republican-led Congress implementing the Democrat's "locating and tracking" database program that resulted in the U.S. national identification system. Just how did this massive control mechanism get established? And, who were the key players? For a clue, their first names were: Bob, Newt, Bill, and Patsy -- with honorable mention for Rush. It all came about rather gradually beginning in 1994 -- the political period referred to as the "Republican Revolution." It happened during a time when the nation's attention was diverted to such trivial issues as funding for free school lunch programs. It began when the Republicans in Congress proudly and pompously announced, in a huge ceremony held on the front steps of the U.S. Capitol Building, that they were implementing their "Contract With America." Under the "Contract," the Republican Congress enacted not one, but TWO national ID laws. The "Welfare Reform Act of 1996" and the "Illegal Immigration Reform Act of 1996" both included requirements which, in application, constitute a national identification system. Together, these two laws made up the foundational backbone -- and provided the financial impetus -- for the most massive national identification system ever devised by mankind. These two programs are now being implemented throughout America. As a result, everyone is required to identify themselves using a social security number in order to engage in virtually all societal activities. Consequently, SSNs are now required as a condition to drive, work, fly, bank, get married, get divorced, hunt, fish, buy stock, obtain insurance, get born, and even to die. These two laws are in addition to the health care reform measures, also enacted under the Republican Congress, which are resulting in massive database systems that will be used to exchange private information about citizens, all linked to one's social security number. How could such Draconian laws get enacted with little or no meaningful public debate? No small amount of blame must go to the diversionary antics of the immensely popular, pseudo-conservative, part-time comedian, Republican mouthpiece, radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh. For, it was he who, on cue from Newt Gingrich, effectively distracted an otherwise concerned and otherwise trusting populace with relentless babble and mindless chatter. All that was ever discussed on his weekday program was whether or not the Republican's Welfare Reform plan included a
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
On 22 Apr 2000, at 12:25, William Shannon wrote: And it's about time! Cudos to the government for finally taking action and for not allowing the Miami relatives to dictate terms... The "raid" was well-executed and very compelling... And apparently done without any kind of warrant - thus totally illegal. -- Kathleen Of all the forms of murder, none is more monstrous than that committed by a state against its own citizens . . . - Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Insurrection: Mexican Invasion
While a lone Cuban boy is illegally kidnapped by the federal fascist jackboots, hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexicans swarm into this country bringing lawlessness, violence, criminal gangs, corruption, and insurrection with them. Local governments taken over by "democratic process". The invasion is ignored by the media and supported by the feds and the globalists. Learn what's going on from the front lines: Voice of the Citizens Together http://www.americanpatrol.com/ Insurrection in the southwest, enemies take over Universities: http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html A love note from La Raza: http://www.americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/getoutgringo000215.html What the illegals think of Americans: http://www.americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/FU_stillmexico000118.html Will Clinton and Reno send the illegal Mexicans home in the same fashion as Elian? No. They are too important to the global economy. And Clinton and Reno are too busy licking the boots of their global slavemasters. The only thing free about "free trade" is that Americans are being freely sold into slavery. Right Rush (NAFTA) Limbaugh? -- American you are dying and don't even know it. -- If not you then who will take a stand? If not now then when will there be time to free this land? From the curse of the serpents disguised as the Holy ones Who crept in unawares by the cover of night Who conspired to deceive us and rob and relieve us Of life worth livin' for It's time we rock them in their ivory towers Make them fear the rage in the wrath of the coming storm Rock them in their ivory towers Make them feel the fire in the ire of the people's scorn Rock them with this sound 'Till the sound shakes the ground And the towers crumble down and they drown In the blood, sweat and tears -Carl Klang A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
-- And apparently done without any kind of warrant - thus totally illegal. -- Kathleen Not True!!! On April 13, 2000 Janet Reno Served The Family A Warrant To Hand Over The Child. By 2:00 PM At The Oppalocka Airport The Miami Family Just Ignored This Warrant 9 Days Is A Very Long Time To Hold Off Due Proccess Just To Manipulate The Media And The American Public At Large __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Insurrection: Mexican Invasion
--- The Extremist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While a lone Cuban boy is illegally kidnapped by the federal fascist jackboots, hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexicans swarm into this country bringing lawlessness, violence, criminal gangs, corruption, and insurrection with them. Local governments taken over by "democratic process". The invasion is ignored by the media and supported by the feds and the globalists. Of 1700 Minor Alien Children Re-Patriated By INS Last Year 600 Were Mexican Comming Into Texas unacccomanied By An Adult. Not One Of These 1700 Children Had A Day In Court. If The 11th District Court Rules That The Term "Any Alien" Means 6 Year Olds Also All 1700 Cases Will Have To Be Tried Or Do We Just Give SPECIAL TREATMENT To Those Who Ideas We Agree With? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state
Nessie, if Patty has real evidence of physical abuse by the kids' father, and you say she does, then she ought to be able to petition a court for an injunction against the state and an order returning the boys to her custody. Friends who are also aware of the father's history should be able to intervene on the kids' behalf. There are child advocacy groups, other citizens' groups that will know the ins-and-outs of the system and can move rapidly. For God's sake, mobilize all possible support here... This happens much too often. Some relevant questions: WHY did the evaluator reject the tape as evidence of abuse? What were the evaluator's qualifications to judge the children's state? And above all, since when is it the state's business whether a child is "fully socialized"? It may be the state's business whether a child is learning certain basic subjects, but to intervene because a child is perceived to be insufficiently involved with his peer group seems bizarre to me, especially if that child doesn't pose a danger to anyone and is not at any risk himself. This is clearly a power play by an insecure male who deems any self-respecting female a threat to his male authority (i.e., to his penis). - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: homeschoolers kidnapped by state snip The real problem is their father wants custody and his family are multi-millionaires. The grandfather was a Washington state senator for years. The father's family money and political influence has apparently been influential in manipulating the evaluator from child protective services. Before Patty left him, the father was neglective of the kids and physically abused them. Patty has a video tape of one of them with very fresh bruises from being viscously backhanded in the face by his father. On the tape he talks about how scared of his father he is. Patty submitted this tape to the evaluator, but it did no good. snip A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nat'l Counc Churches
Remember that Insight is published by Sun Myung Moon. I have known and worked with Bob Edgar and Andy Young for many years (in the same causes, that is--I have only a passing personal acquaintance with them), and frankly I would listen to either one a lot harder than I would ever listen to anything published in Insight. - Original Message - From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: [CTRL] Nat'l Counc Churches From InsightMag.Com "As the NCC's president-elect, Young defended China's human-rights record and Castro's Cuban dictatorship. Whatever the future holds for his two- year term as NCC president - an unpaid position but similar to a corporation's chairman of the board - he certainly knows how to lead a movement into the Democratic Party, say critics. " snip A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Elian Kidnapping Photo Released
New Elian Kidnapping Photo Released: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/realelia.jpg It's, as always, "for the children". *[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ Online Patriot Internet Radio: http://www.geocities.com/aresister_2000/ **Live Free or Die!* A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
J2, released from the penalty box after his 5 minute misconduct for badmouthing the referee crosses the blue line...he shoots...the great goalie (and part-time LEZ) FWP makes a fantastic save!!! Tell us about the ratio of deleterious to adaptive mutations of the countless numbers induced in genetics labs, J2. FWP. On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Gavin Phillips wrote: In a message dated 4/19/00 9:32:30 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gavin Phillips wrote: Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links). It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain everything scientifically. Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin. === This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write. I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity, because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to think that there are two sides to this argument, when there is no argument at all. Whatever happened to your mind? Joshua2 Poor Joshua, have you already forgotten our little set-to a few months ago about disarming Americans, and trailed into a debate about Darwinian evolution. You are as ignorant now as you were then. There are two sides to this argument. One side is losing very badly. The Darwinian theory of macro-evolution is down and out-period. Phillip Johnson, author of many books on this subject replied to my email informing me that he has won every debate that he has had so far, many of them with University professors. Guess how he wins every time? Because Darwinian macro-evolution is complete and utter, unadulterated 100% BULLSHIT. Below is a partial reminder of our little tête-à-tête a few months ago. Gavin; I do not practice any type of religion. I do not beleive in the bible chapter and verse, the earth was made in 6 days etc. I know through reading several books on evolution that it is complete nonsense with only a few bones as "proof" that it happened. Joshua; This is entirely wrong. This is the pathetic defense of supernaturalists. Evolution is is a daily observable process. Also, you need to get yourself updated on the " Bones " issue. There are MANY almost complete fossil records to demonstrate the evolutionary process. I suggest you read " The Beak of the Finch " for a clear and recent demonstration of evolution at work. Gavin; You are completely wrong and really should do far more research into the glaring loopholes in your hypothesis before making an ass of yourself. There are obviously 100's of bones and skeletons of animals from millions of years ago. What evolutionists do not have, and they admit this, is the 1000's of transitional bones when one species changes into another species. As Phillip Johnson says in the article I have posted; "The most important is the fossil problem, because this is a direct record of the history of life on earth. If Darwinism were true, you would expect the fossil evidence to contain many examples of Darwinian evolution. You would expect to see fossils that really couldn't be understood except as transitions between one kind of organism and another... " "In reality, the fossil record is something that Darwinists have had to explain away, because what it shows is the sudden appearance of organisms that exhibit no trace of step-by-step development from earlier formsIn short, if evolution is the gradual, step-by-step transformation of one kind of thing into another, the outstanding feature of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution." To try and get around this problem some evolutionists have proposed other theories which are just as ridiculous as gradualistic evolution. Richard Goldsmidt proposed the theory of "hopeful monsters" where one day a reptile would lay an egg and out popped a bird. Trouble is he would need another totally improbable event, another hopefull monster being hatched at the same time in the same area in order for them to breed. The other problem is that there should be thousands of hopeless monsters littering the fossil record. There are none. Harvard University's Stephen Jay Gould proposed punctuated equilibrium. Gould postulated that perhaps species remain in stasis (the same) for millions of years. Then only a few isolated breeding groups change into different species. As Milton says;; "The difficulty with punctuated equilibrium is that it is wholly speculative and has been introduced simply to account for the lack of fossils that ought exist in the neo-Darwinist theory." Once again,
[CTRL] SNET: Fwd: Re: CAS: Drudge: SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK... (fwd)
visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:30:17 -0700 From: Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Fwd: Re: CAS: Drudge: SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK... X DRUDGE REPORT X FRIDAY APRIL 21 2000 14:01:22 ET X SCHMIDT'S SWEET REVENGE: NEW IMPEACHMENT BOOK SET TO ROCK WASHINGTON **Exclusive** In the end, its the book the White House has feared the most. WASHINGTON POST reporter Sue Schmidt, first to get Lewinsky in print [more than 72 hours after the Internet], and the subject of a blistering White House report ordered by the first lady, is now ready to unload her secret files on various Clinton scandals in a new expose set to rock official Washington. In 1996, Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered the White House to draft a report [prepared at taxpayer expense] criticizing Sue Schmidt's coverage of Whitewater. "It's now time for Sue's sweet revenge!" declares a WASHINGTON POST editor. The book "Truth at Any Cost : Ken Starr and the Unmaking of Bill Clinton" [HARPERCOLLINS] takes the reader on an ultimate insider pro-prosecution trip through years of investigation and creative legal maneuvering by the defense. [The book has been a sleeping giant, ranking #5,820 on AMAZON's sales list just days before publication.] Schmidt and partner Michael Weisskopf [TIME magazine] crack stunning new details of various Clinton scandals and their players. White House eyes will not be focused on Elian Gonzalez this weekend -- they'll be focused on Schmidt. The WASHINGTON POST is planning a spread pulled from the embargoed book this Sunday. TIME magazine is planning a "news story" based on the book for next week's issue. "Schmidt's nothing more than Ken Starr's personal secretary!" charges a senior White House aide on the eve of the book's release. "She was an informant to Starr!" claims a Schmidt enemy in the press with White House ties. But the barking is based on shadows. No one in the White House has yet had access to the book. That will change within hours. Let the Roar Begin!
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
In a message dated 4/22/00 11:49:12 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually I think anything Reno does is stupid and sometimes illegal, and I have no trust in her as our nations top law enforcement official (what a joke that is) but in this case she did the right thing and handled it well, under the circumstances. I agree. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Abduction of Elian and the Decay of Liberty (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:53:48 -0400 From: Carl S. Webber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Abduction of Elian and the Decay of Liberty All repression, and most coups d'etats are carried out by force under the name of "law and order". It is, of course, a true claim: the acting organization is concerned with IT'S OWN law and order, or IT'S OWN interpretation of what that is. The same is true for the insurgents. When strong differences of opinion arise in a society between an established government and other groups, the established government has an enormous built-in advantage with its control over the police, the army, and to some extent, over the means of communication and transport. This is not inherently bad since anarchy is worse than law and order. The writers of the American Constitution were fully aware of these facts, arising as they themselves had from a long and painful armed revolt against an existing government. For the most part (overlooking the slavery issue), the Constitution has worked very well and for quite a long time when compared with many others. However, perfection is a goal, but not a place at which we can ever arrive. Government is like a fish: it dies from the head down. Our present leader is a perjurer who has appointed many who are more loyal to him than to the principles of the Constitution. The Department of Justice turns a blind eye to his misdeeds. Many in Congress because of either (or both) partisan zeal or self serving interests, failed to impeach. Some appointed judges show bias. Not all citizens are happy with this situation. The abduction of a half orphaned six year old boy by a posse of Federal Marshals symbolizes the brutal use of force to gain political advantage. All force is brutal yet most government actions are designed to gain the approval of the electorate and or the consent or intimidation of the governed. But we have become a nation who in the majority do not even bother to go to the polls. We are a people whose principal means of communication is a televised delivery system that tends to convey the unexamined Marxist views of owners, editors and commentators. These people are representative of a large segment of the whole population which hears and applauds them. On the surface, the abduction of Elian appears like an unpopular move, but there are strong motives behind it. No government wants to appear weak. Further in the Elian case, black politicians are enraged: letting Elian remain free would magnify their view that Latinos are better received and treated than blacks from Haiti,the Dominican Republic and Africa. The Democrat party needs their votes. The Cuban population, by and large hard working and religious, is more allied to the Republican party than with the party of welfare and easy morals: their votes are long lost. It was an easy decision. The Clinton administration can claim to be "upholding the rule of law and order", and improve their election prospects in November. For them, a win-win deal. For the nation, a sorry loss from which the only gain could be voters prepared to examine their conscience and to go to the polls to express them. If not, we will prove Khruschev wrong. "They" will not bury us, we will do it to ourselves. Carl S. Webber ### P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = == This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you
[CTRL] The Skulls - a commentary by Anthony J. Hilder
from: http://www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash178.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash178.htm"NewsFl ash! "Skull Bones" movie opens up Bush' /A - 4/21/2000 The Skulls Anthony J. Hilder Until the release of "The Skulls" most people who heard of Yale's Skull Bones thought of this Faustian Financial Fratemity as fictitional. But that was yesterday. Today, all across Arnerica milbons are flockng to see The Skulls, a frightening "Fictitional Film" which parallels raw reality. The real Fratemity at Yale, upon which this scary story is based, saw both President George Herbert Walker Bush and his not too bright, bumbling boy "BORN AGAIN" into the Skull Bones' Satanic Order. They both laid rude in a coffin, while surrounded by 15 men, cloaked in black, Klansmen-like robes, who performed the rituals. The initiates at the Skull Bones cryptic ceremony, do in fact, pledge Allegiance to Satan or something like that, while laying nude. Is this for real? Yeah! "Skulls" fiction is based on fact. For the past century, knowledgeabe pollicos living within Washington's Beltway have been aware that the Harrimans,the Buckleys and zee other boys from THE BROTHERHOOD OF DEATH are placed in "positions of power" because of their membership in the Skutl and Bones. How else could one explain how a dim bulb like Baby Bush, whose head is still dazed from drugs becoming the Establishment's Choice" to head up the Republican Party in the 21st Century. Intelligent people would think twice about hiring Bush on as an Assistant Manager at K-Mart, much less trust him with their money, if he were a teller at their local Bank. Out of nowhere, he became the Govemor of Texas, and is now positioned to become our President. The Bush's and their breed, like Gore and Greenspan are appointed by the Powers behind the scenes, who control our currency and subsequently our Press and Politics. How then could this movie about those monsters, who wear the "Mask of Moderates" get made? Follow the money trail, and you'll find out why this phenomenonal film about "The light of Lucifer" has seen "the light of day." Let's look at Skulls' Writer/Producerj John Pogue. John's a graduate of Yale and is himself a member of another strange Fraternity. Did he have it in for the "Bones Boys" from the Brotherhood of Death? Who knows. Regardless, it's a blessing that Pogue put all the pieces together and we get to see it all on The Big Screen. It's common knowledge that Skull Boners like Herbert Walker, Grandaddy Bush, and Averell Harriman, all backed Adolf Hitler and the Huns in their bid to establish a New World Order. Skulls eludes to this Faustian Fratemity's inordinate hold on the seats of power, and to what extent they'll go to maintain "that power," even it requires mass murder. My friend, Dr. Antony Sutton, wrote all about the subject of the Skull Bones in four different volumes. They are now combined into one large book, which will be available from freeworldalliance.com. We'll flag it. These Skulls, though supposedly fictional, is frighteningly factional. Dr. Sutton's Tome reveals what really goes on in the womb of the Bones Tomb. Is there really a Fraternity at Yale called the Skull Bones? Yes! Call Yale's Daily News (203) 432-2424, their Academic Research Department at (203) 737-2266 or their Administrative Office at (203) 4324771 and they will validate it for you. Naturally, they will soft peddle, poo poo, or deny that the Skull Bones which operates through the Russell Trust has any links to Adam Weishaupts' Barvarian Illuminati. There was an article written by a journalist named Ron Rosenbaum entitled "The Last Secrets of the Skull Bones," which was published in the September 1977 Issue of Esquire Magazine that exposed this Faustian Fratemity. It describes in detail how the Skulls' Tomb was broken into back then. The intruders discovered "one room" adorned with nothing but Nazi paraphernalia The Iconoclast Publication of October 13, 1873 put out over a century ago talked of the Satanic Initiations that went on there. Do the Skulls' Initiates take their oaths while lying nude in coffins, surrounded by men draped in black hooded robes? Yes! Do they use human remains in their Satanic rituals? Yes! Is it all based on the Doonsbury Cartoons? No, although Cartoonist, Gary Trudeau, is a member. Do they perform ceremonies on Deer Island located in the St Lawrence River once a year? Yes! Do they want to establish World Govemment on the ashes of American Sovereignty? To the best of our knowledge, yes. Will they admit to it? Hell, no! Do I think that George Bush, Jr. will get questioned over his membership in the Skull Bones now that the picture is being released? Most assuredly! Conspiracy buffs, Talk Show Hosts, Writers, Researchers, and legitimate Liberal and Conservative Reporters alike will have a field day over this phenomenoniaJ flick. It will give them an opportunity to raise the issue of the Satanic nature
[CTRL] OEN 4/22/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - US Stocks If Stocks Fall, Will the Economy Follow? Just who is in charge here, anyway. Many American policymakers argue that a stockmarket collapse would inflict little damage on the real economy. Dont bet on it. CONTRARY to some headlines at the end of last week, Americas stockmarket bubble has not burst.Yet the market turmoil has prompted one topical economic question: how much might a crash hurt Americas economy? The answer of many American optimists is that a slump in share prices would not trigger a recession, because the real economy is fundamentally so sound. It is, they argue, much healthier than Japans in the late 1980s or East Asias economies in the mid-1990s, just before their bubbles burst. It is certainly true that America has much to boast about: a budget surplus, faster productivity growth and an underlying rate of inflation that is still historically low. Look closer, however, and the American economy is less sound than it seems. First, although the government has moved into budget surplus, American households and firms have been on a borrowing binge. That might be fine if the debt had been used mainly to finance investments that would boost future productivity and profits. But about half of all corporate borrowing over the past two years has been used to buy back shares, which has helped to prop up the stockmarket. Meanwhile, rising share prices have made households feel wealthier and so encouraged them to borrow to finance a spending spree. Total private-sector debt in relation to GDP has risen to record levels. This appears not to matter because share prices have risen faster than debts. But if share prices tumble households may have to cut their spending. Most worrying, margin debt (borrowing to buy shares) has almost tripled over the past three years. If share prices drop, some of this would have to be repaid immediately, forcing investors to sell shares, sending prices still lower. A second concern is that Americas current-account deficit has risen to a record 4% of GDP. So far foreigners have been more than willing to finance that gap, attracted in part by high stockmarket returns. But America is already the worlds biggest foreign debtor, with net foreign liabilities of $1.5 trillion, around 20% of GDP. At some stage foreigners appetite for dollars may dry up. If this sends the dollar tumbling, it will push up inflation. Americas economy already looks red hot: retail sales jumped by 10% in the year to March, and inflation has now started to riseto 3.7% over the same 12 months. This puts more pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates. The wealth defect Americas overhang of private debt and its large external deficit mean that the consequences of a stockmarket crash could be more severe than most people expect. The direct impact of movements in share prices on the economy operates through the wealth effect. Alan Greenspan, the Fed chairman, has said this effect has boosted growth by one full percentage point, on average, in each of the past four years. So what might happen if share prices go sharply into reversea sustained fall of 30-40% across the board, say? (Not implausible: by some traditional valuation methods, that would still leave share prices overvalued, and they typically overshoot on the way down as well as on the way up.) Conventional economic models suggest that the wealth effect by itself would slow Americas rate of growth, but that it would not push the economy into recession. However, the old rules of thumb may no longer apply. If current levels of borrowing and spending are based on the rosy assumptions of continuing high stockmarket returns, the negative impact of a crash on consumption and investment could be bigger. Heavy borrowing could turn a mild downturn into a recession if debtors suddenly had to cut spending in order to service or reduce their debts. A crucial indicator of vulnerability is the private sectors financial deficit (the gap between total private saving and investment), which has increased to an unprecedented 4% of GDP. Until the past few years, the private sector had been in consistent surplus for 50 years. Last year, an IMF analysis found that all economies that have previously experienced a financial deficit on this scale have suffered recessions when asset prices tumbled. American optimists point to October 1987, when Wall Street fell by 34%, yet the economy did not dive into recession. However, there are important differences between today and 1987. First, in 1987, because the Fed eased monetary policy, share prices bounced back quickly. A sustained decline would have a much bigger impact. Many investors expect the Fed to cut rates again if the market slumps now. Yet it really needs to raise interest rates, not cut them, to curb inflation. Second, a fall in share prices would make a much
[CTRL] EXCESSIVE FORCE USED IN MIAMI
"Independent" Report ... http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3901cebd4bc7.htm The cameraman for NBC News was just interviewed on MSNBC. He was IN THE HOUSE when Elian was captured. Brian Williams asked him if he considered it excessive force. He said "well, I was kicked in the stomach and my sound man was hit in the head WITH A GUN and dragged outside and told not to move or they would shoot him". He said "if he had been the father he wouldn't want his child treated that way." Sounds EXCESSIVE TO ME! Mike P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chinese fishermen forced to have appendectomies
http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Apr/21/international/APPENDIX21.htm The Philadelphia Inquirer, April 21, 2000 Chinese fishermen forced to have appendectomies Employment agencies said surgery warded off illness at sea. They are accused of gaining financially. By Michael Dorgan KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS CHENGDU, China - A tall, thin man named Zeng Quanfu, 29, showed up here recently with a small scar on his abdomen and a story of missing appendixes. Maybe 200,000 missing appendixes. As Zeng tells it, he signed on in mid-1997 for a three-year stint as a cook on a Taiwan fishing boat. He had gotten his job through the Sichuan Overseas Labor Developing Co., a provincial government employment agency. The agency promised him $50 a month, a month's annual vacation, and an additional $130 for each month he worked, Zeng said. Zeng said he did not get most of the promised money. And he lost his appendix. The employment agency required Zeng and other prospective deckhands to have their appendixes cut out as a preventive measure against medical emergencies at sea - a claim the government employment agencies do not dispute - even though fishermen on the same boats from other countries were not required to have the surgery. Zeng said he learned the appendectomies were ordered, not by the Taiwan fishing companies, but by Chinese employment agencies paid $100 a year per worker by the fishing companies for health insurance. Adding insult to potential injury, the men from Sichuan had to pay the agency about $50 each for the surgery, even though the hospitals charged only about $44, he said. Eager to escape a province where per capita income is about $200 a year, Zeng went to sea, spending most of a year off the coast of Uruguay. After Zeng's story was posted on an Internet Web site by a human-rights activist, a number of mainland and Hong Kong newspapers picked up the story. One, the Yangcheng Evening News in the southern city of Guangzhou, reported in February that it had been shown a government document confirming that more than 200,000 men from 10 mainland provinces had been required to have preventive appendectomies before being placed on Taiwan fishing boats by government-run employment agencies. Li Hong, manager of the Sichuan Overseas Labor Developing Co., complained in a telephone interview that the news reports critical of his agency had been inaccurate. "They said we kept most of the fishermen's salaries," he said. "Can they show us the evidence for it? They just heard it, no evidence at all." As for the appendectomies, he confirmed that they were required but denied they were done so the agency could pocket the insurance money. He acknowledged that appendectomies were not required of fishermen from other countries, and said he believed the Chinese were more susceptible to appendicitis at sea. "As the laborers we sent are not from the coastal areas, they are not familiar with the sea and are different from those who grow up in the coastal areas," he said. "Fishermen from the Philippines did not have the operation because they are used to working on a boat." Li said the controversy was a big fuss over a minor matter. "It's just a small operation," he said. "It has little influence on the human body, yet it will protect fishermen's lives from death once they work in deep water." Several U.S. doctors, however, said the removal of symptom-free appendixes is a strange and dangerous practice. "You just don't open people's abdomens for any kind of preventive procedures," said Jay Everhart, a clinical epidemiologist at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases in Bethesda, Md. "The risks of a knife in the colon or postoperative problems so far outweigh any possible gain that it's unthinkable." Many Chinese also were shocked by the forced appendectomies, and government-run employment agencies were deeply embarrassed. After an investigation, the human-rights Web site that disclosed the practice was closed last month because it allegedly lacked proper registration. The Web site's operator, Huang Qi, says the exploitation of peasant fishermen exemplifies the rampant human-rights abuses and lack of institutional remedies in today's China. "It was never my aim to get involved in political things," Huang said. "When I opened this company to find people, I just wanted to help. But I found so many problems, so many people suffering, that I started to pay attention to political things." Undaunted, Huang said he and a handful of helpers soon would open another Web site, this one at the address www.june-4.net The address recalls a sensitive date in China, the June 4, 1989, Tiananmen Square massacre of democracy advocates. Huang is not naive about where his human-rights activism will lead. "I know my future if I continue with my Web sites," he said. "It's either to jail or to hell."
[CTRL] [Fwd: [TheRevelation] Fw: **ELIAN-DAD PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE NOT NOW**]
What do you think Folks? -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings to sap your strength to survive. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! - Original Message - From: Karolyn Martin To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.granbury.com Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: **ELIAN-DAD PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE NOT NOW** The CNN picture is a lie! - Original Message - From: Karolyn Martin Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: **ELIAN-DAD PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE NOT NOW** http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3902026b70a4.htm Visit: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ MY COUSIN IS IN FLA. RIGHT NOW AND SAYS PICTURE OF ELIAN W- DAD WAS TAKEN PREVIOUSLY, NOT LATELY !! [Free Republic].url
[CTRL] Dr Nick Begich on Whitley Strieber
Just letting you know that Dr. Begich will appear on Whitley Strieber this Sunday evening, April 23 Catch Nick at 7:30 pm Pacific time to learn more. Of course, you can listen to a live broadcast on the Web at www.strieber.com or tune in to local radio stations in your area. Thank you for your continued support. We urge you to keep up your work in making a difference. Earthpulse.com "Guarded by awareness: change is for the better." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AOL Censership
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[CTRL] Gimme the f - - - - - g boy or we'll shoot you.
Saturday April 22, 2000; 5:43 PM EDT Child-Abuse, Clinton Style The week that began with a White House-connected doctor charging that Elian Gonzalez's Miami family was "abusing" him, has ended with White House-sponsored federal agents pointing guns at the six-year-old and his relatives while shouting, "Gimme the f - - - - - g boy or we'll shoot you." For those who have seen the photo of the G-man in riot gear waiving the barrel of his machine gun just inches from the terrified boy, there's now little doubt who the true abusers of Elian Gonzalez are: President Clinton, Attorney General Reno and the officials who went along with an assault plan that put Elian's life in danger; a plan that was guaranteed to frighten him out of his wits. Surely no qualified psychologist would suggest that Elian won't carry the emotional scars of that moment with him for the rest of his life. Other press accounts illustrate the brutality of the government's tactics, which were apparently authorized by the president himself. Donato Dalrymple, the Miami fisherman who rescued the boy five months earlier and who had tried to hide him from the Immigration and Naturalization Service assault force, told Reuters he believed Elian had been physically injured in the abduction: "It's as if they were taking a terrorist, a hostage. And they grabbed the boy, and I said, 'Please, don't hurt the child, don't hurt the child.' They grabbed this boy physically. They hurt him physically and emotionally. They ripped him from my arms." Marisleysis Gonzalez, the boy's de facto mother in America, said she pleaded with Clinton's agents: "Please, we'll give you the boy, don't let him see this. He's seen enough, seeing his mother's death. We don't want this. We're not going to do anything. We're not armed. They ran in my room, they broke the closet door. They broke Elian's bed. They went in my mom's room. They broke the door down." Enraged by the outrageous attack, Ms. Gonzalez added, "Janet Reno and everybody else, don't say you came here with no violence and that this boy's okay. How can this boy be okay when he had a gun to his head? " "I thought this was a country of freedom and a country that seeks for the benefit of a child, that wouldn't psychologically traumatize a child. Now they've really done the harm. They have already psychologically traumatized Elian when they put that gun (on him) and when he saw what was going (on) in this house." A military source familiar with the scene at Homestead Air Force base, where Elian was taken after his abduction, told Fox News that he was still crying hysterically and calling out Marisleysis' name as INS agents carried him to a waiting plane. Other accounts from inside the house reveal that Elian and Dalrymple were far from the only members of the household who were subjected to the Clinton administration's thug-like tactics. An NBC cameraman told MSNBC news anchor Brian Williams that Clinton agents kicked him in the stomach and clubbed his sound man with a rifle butt while shouting, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Marisleysis has said that government agents also pointed a machine gun at Elian's five-year-old cousin. http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/22/164002 -- Be vigilant Folks, Those b b's in our White House are just chopping at the bit to create another incident which will enable them to declare marital law. Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings and devours your Freedom. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] Clinton: Kosovo, Waco, Elian
My nomination for Mind Control Slaves? President Bill Clinton Attorney General Janet Reno of the USA Mind Contol Slaves both, in the service of the forces of the global mind control empire. Track Record (at least) Waco, Elian (Check out the jpeg at drudgereport.com, if you really want to see the face of a mind control joke). Track Record #2: Kosovo-YugoSlave war, based upon supposed "atrocities" that were fabrications of US Army Psychological Warfare units, in conjunction with CNN. William Jefferson Clinton, moral snake and mind control masquerader, gave the "go" order on all 3 operations, assiduously trying all the while to hide behind the skirts of his fellow Mind Control Slave, Janet Reno. Both specialize in genocide in this political lifetime. The USA Mind-Contol Global Warfare State. Offices available; apply within. Alfred Webre, JD, MEd Delegate, 1996 Texas Democratic Convention Yale Law School, 1967 Cuba, 1949-1960. __ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics consciousness. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] earthradioTV.com MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] internet research resources
Hi ! Below please find a URL for a list of "Internet Research Resources on Memory, DID, Ritual Abuse, FMS and Mind Control" I have compiled. Sincerely, Neil Brick http://members.aol.com/smartnews/research.html Please note: these resources are for educational purposes only. Survivors of abuse should try to check out all resources carefully before contacting them. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ...Shame!
I'm so nervous at what has happened. Castro's alter ego, the rapist, has done irreparable damage to our Nation's image as the refuge of the suppressed down-trodden. -- Bard To All Elected Officials: "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you." There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat, they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your earnings and devours your Freedom. BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm Eternal Vigilance - The Price of Freedom!
Re: [CTRL] For the Record: Clinton's Legacy!
In a message dated 4/21/2000 2:16:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep hearing from several different sources, including the media (Public Enemy Number 1), that Clinton keeps looking for a legacy to have himself rememered in the United States when he is gone. I hear the same thing, and I think the legacy has already taken shape. It now appears that the public (especially the voters) has a right to know everything that has happened in the life of anyone running for elected office. I now want to know as much as possible, especially the details of the individual's sex life. Although I didn't care before, I've been convinced, and now I know I have a right to know. They're being very slow to give us the details on Dubya and Gore. I'm waiting anxiously. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] HIV AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite - Homepage
from: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm"HIV AIDS - Rethinking AIDS WebSite - Homepage/A - Is the AIDS virus harmless? Is AIDS not contagious? Are the AIDS tests worthless? Is AIDS medication killing patients? Find out what the AIDS establishment and media do not want you to know... "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document." Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry It's time to re-evaluate the HIV-AIDS hypothesis: Is HIV really the cause of AIDS ? A growing group of bio-medical scientists claim the cause of AIDS is still unknown. These heretics do not believe in a lethal AIDS virus. They claim that the virus is indeed harmless. Most of them think AIDS is also not sexually transmitted; it probably has toxic causes. People die because they are poisoned to death by antiviral drugs. Part of the AIDS dissidents even question the existence of a virus entity. These skeptics say that the AIDS virus has never really been isolated, and the AIDS tests are worthless... This website tells you their story. This website contains more than 500 web pages with over 350 articles. If you are new make a short TOUR first, then you can best go to the INTRODUCTION page for a small selection of articles to start with. Or listen to some Real A UDIO documentaries first. Sign the petition CONTROVERSY MISSING VIRUS THE GROUP WHISTLE BLOWERS CENSORSHIP BOOKSHELF FRONT NEWS FORUMS FIND SPONSORS TEXT ONLY HOMEPAGE FRAMES ON Webmaster: Robert Laarhoven E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm http://194.109.200.144/aids/index.htm Last Update: 18 April. 2000 Copyrights - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Emergence of the American Police State
In a message dated 00-04-22 14:10:41 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will say no more on the Elian matter. Why stop now? The American Police State has been covertly building over the last 50 years. It's principal technology is fear, and lawlessness. It uses Mind Control to destroy the individual, the family, the group. All the politicians you see - save a few - are Mind Control Slaves in this global military state. So keep it coming. Somebody has to help us stay a-wake. Alfred __ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Saturday April 22, 2000; 5:43 PM EDT Child-Abuse, Clinton Style The week that began with a White House-connected doctor charging that Elian Gonzalez's Miami family was "abusing" him, has ended with White House-sponsored federal agents pointing guns at the six-year-old and his relatives while shouting, "Gimme the f - - - - - g boy or we'll shoot you." For those who have seen the photo of the G-man in riot gear waiving the barrel of his machine gun just inches from the terrified boy, there's now little doubt who the true abusers of Elian Gonzalez are: President Clinton, Attorney General Reno and the officials who went along with an assault plan that put Elian's life in danger; a plan that was guaranteed to frighten him out of his wits. Surely no qualified psychologist would suggest that Elian won't carry the emotional scars of that moment with him for the rest of his life. Other press accounts illustrate the brutality of the government's tactics, which were apparently authorized by the president himself. Donato Dalrymple, the Miami fisherman who rescued the boy five months earlier and who had tried to hide him from the Immigration and Naturalization Service assault force, told Reuters he believed Elian had been physically injured in the abduction: "It's as if they were taking a terrorist, a hostage. And they grabbed the boy, and I said, 'Please, don't hurt the child, don't hurt the child.' They grabbed this boy physically. They hurt him physically and emotionally. They ripped him from my arms." Marisleysis Gonzalez, the boy's de facto mother in America, said she pleaded with Clinton's agents: "Please, we'll give you the boy, don't let him see this. He's seen enough, seeing his mother's death. We don't want this. We're not going to do anything. We're not armed. They ran in my room, they broke the closet door. They broke Elian's bed. They went in my mom's room. They broke the door down." Enraged by the outrageous attack, Ms. Gonzalez added, "Janet Reno and everybody else, don't say you came here with no violence and that this boy's okay. How can this boy be okay when he had a gun to his head? " "I thought this was a country of freedom and a country that seeks for the benefit of a child, that wouldn't psychologically traumatize a child. Now they've really done the harm. They have already psychologically traumatized Elian when they put that gun (on him) and when he saw what was going (on) in this house." A military source familiar with the scene at Homestead Air Force base, where Elian was taken after his abduction, told Fox News that he was still crying hysterically and calling out Marisleysis' name as INS agents carried him to a waiting plane. Other accounts from inside the house reveal that Elian and Dalrymple were far from the only members of the household who were subjected to the Clinton administration's thug-like tactics. An NBC cameraman told MSNBC news anchor Brian Williams that Clinton agents kicked him in the stomach and clubbed his sound man with a rifle butt while shouting, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Marisleysis has said that government agents also pointed a machine gun at Elian's five-year-old cousin. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [NewsBurst] D.C. Police raid wto protesters' headquarters
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[CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style (fwd)
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Saturday April 22, 2000; 5:43 PM EDT Child-Abuse, Clinton Style The week that began with a White House-connected doctor charging that Elian Gonzalez's Miami family was "abusing" him, has ended with White House-sponsored federal agents pointing guns at the six-year-old and his relatives while shouting, "Gimme the f - - - - - g boy or we'll shoot you." For those who have seen the photo of the G-man in riot gear waiving the barrel of his machine gun just inches from the terrified boy, there's now little doubt who the true abusers of Elian Gonzalez are: President Clinton, Attorney General Reno and the officials who went along with an assault plan that put Elian's life in danger; a plan that was guaranteed to frighten him out of his wits. Surely no qualified psychologist would suggest that Elian won't carry the emotional scars of that moment with him for the rest of his life. Other press accounts illustrate the brutality of the government's tactics, which were apparently authorized by the president himself. Donato Dalrymple, the Miami fisherman who rescued the boy five months earlier and who had tried to hide him from the Immigration and Naturalization Service assault force, told Reuters he believed Elian had been physically injured in the abduction: "It's as if they were taking a terrorist, a hostage. And they grabbed the boy, and I said, 'Please, don't hurt the child, don't hurt the child.' They grabbed this boy physically. They hurt him physically and emotionally. They ripped him from my arms." Marisleysis Gonzalez, the boy's de facto mother in America, said she pleaded with Clinton's agents: "Please, we'll give you the boy, don't let him see this. He's seen enough, seeing his mother's death. We don't want this. We're not going to do anything. We're not armed. They ran in my room, they broke the closet door. They broke Elian's bed. They went in my mom's room. They broke the door down." Enraged by the outrageous attack, Ms. Gonzalez added, "Janet Reno and everybody else, don't say you came here with no violence and that this boy's okay. How can this boy be okay when he had a gun to his head? " "I thought this was a country of freedom and a country that seeks for the benefit of a child, that wouldn't psychologically traumatize a child. Now they've really done the harm. They have already psychologically traumatized Elian when they put that gun (on him) and when he saw what was going (on) in this house." A military source familiar with the scene at Homestead Air Force base, where Elian was taken after his abduction, told Fox News that he was still crying hysterically and calling out Marisleysis' name as INS agents carried him to a waiting plane. Other accounts from inside the house reveal that Elian and Dalrymple were far from the only members of the household who were subjected to the Clinton administration's thug-like tactics. An NBC cameraman told MSNBC news anchor Brian Williams that Clinton agents kicked him in the stomach and clubbed his sound man with a rifle butt while shouting, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Marisleysis has said that government agents also pointed a machine gun at Elian's five-year-old cousin. P.S. If you are interested in a FREE high-speed DSL internet service provider, and/or a FREE $200 DSL modem, then register AND DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE (i.e., registration alone WON'T GET IT DONE) at: http://i.winfire.com/s/isapiEng.dll/wf.exe?cmd=rl508,120031685wf.exe OH, and you've only got till the 30th of this month to get it done. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Hmmm...America Agrees With Reno
POLL RELEASES April 22, 2000 Reaction Poll on Elian Gonzalez Majority approves of government actions on Saturday GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ - A new CNN/Gallup Poll survey, conducted Saturday afternoon, finds Americans in general agreement with the Justice Department action taken early Saturday morning, in which armed federal agents stormed the Gonzalez family home in Miami and took Elian Gonzalez away to be reunited with his father. Over half of Americans, 57%, told Gallup they approve of the federal action while just 37% disapprove. This finding is consistent with previous Gallup polls which have showed roughly six in ten Americans believing the six-year old Cuban castaway should be returned to his father to live in Cuba, rather than remain with relatives in Miami. The current survey finds no change in this basic outlook, with 59% saying it is in the boy's best interests to return to Cuba, and only 27% saying he should remain in the U.S. Complete findings of the survey, shown below, indicate there is some concern about the government's use of force in carrying out Saturday's action. Four in ten Americans (40%) believe the government used too much force while 36% say it used the right amount. At the same time, a 54% majority agree with Attorney General Janet Reno's argument that the government had done all it could until now to settle the matter without the use of force; only 38% disagree. What next? A 54% majority of Americans agree with the recent federal court order requiring Elian Gonzalez to remain in the United States until his appeal for political asylum is heard next month. Close to two-thirds of the public, 63%, believe the Miami relatives should be able to visit Elian Gonzalez in Washington, D.C. as soon as possible, as they are attempting to do. The results below are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected national sample of 613 adults, 18 years and older, conducted April 22, 2000, between 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95 percent confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is plus or minus 4 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls. As you may know, federal agents physically removed Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives early this morning, and have taken him to Washington D.C. to reunite him with his father. Do you approve or disapprove of that action? Approve 57% Disapprove 37 No opinion 6 How strongly do you feel about your view on that matter -- strongly, or not so strongly? Strongly approve 48% Not so strongly approve 9 Not so strongly disapprove 7 Strongly disapprove 30 No opinion 6 Which of the following solutions do you think would be in the best interests of the boy - [ROTATE: 1) For him to remain in the U.S. to live with relatives who have requested he stay here (or), 2) For him to live with his father in Cuba, as his father has requested]? Remain in U.S. Live with father in Cuba Other (vol.) No opinion 2000 Apr 22 27% 59 7 7 2000 Apr 7-9 31% 60 4 5 2000 Mar 30-Apr 2 31% 56 5 8 2000 Feb 14-15 36% 55 4 5 2000 Jan 25-26 33% 60 3 4 1999 Dec 9-12 45% 45 3 7 From what you know about today's actions, do you think the government agents involved used too much force or about the right amount of force in removing Elian Gonzalez from the Miami home? Used too much force 40% Used right amount of force 36 Used too little force (vol..) 1 No opinion 23 Do you agree or disagree that the federal government did all it could to settle this situation without using force? Agree 54% Disagree 38 No opinion 8 Now thinking about the Elian Gonzalez situation overall, since it started last November, do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following have handled the situation? (Random order) Approve Disapprove No opinion % % % President Clinton 42 42 16 Attorney General Janet Reno 45 46 9 Al Gore 23 42 35 Elian Gonzalez relatives in Miami 31 59 10 The news media 30 66 4 In terms of the news TODAY, have you, yourself, happened to see any of the television coverage TODAY concerning Elian Gonzalez? Yes 56% No 44 No opinion * (If saw news coverage)In the news coverage you've seen today, did you happen to see (Rotate A-B)? How about BASED ON NATIONAL ADULTS Yes, saw footage No, not seen foootage/ Not seen any coverage % % A. Photos or news footage of Elian Gonzalez being physically removed from the Miami home 42 58 B. Photos or news footage of Elian Gonzalez being reunited with his father 18 82 As you may know, the Miami relatives are on their way to Washington, D.C. where they hope to be able to visit with Elian Gonzalez. In your view, should the Miami relatives be allowed to visit with Elian Gonzalez as soon as possible,
[CTRL] Legal Analysts Comment on Raid
Saturday April 22, 2000 Legal Analysts Comment on Raid NEWSMAX.COM - Andrew Napolitano, legal analyst for Fox News and a constitutional scholar had this exchange today on Fox with Eric Holder, Reno's second in command at Justice: Napolitano: Tell me, Mr. Holder, why did you not get a court order authorizing you to go in and get the boy? Holder: Because we didn't need a court order. INS can do this on its own. Napolitano: You know that a court order would have given you the cloak of respectability to have seized the boy. Holder: We didn't need an order. Napolitano: Then why did you ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals for such an order if you didn't need one? Holder: [Silence] Napolitano: The fact is, for the first time in history you have taken a child from his residence at gunpoint to enforce your custody position, even though you did not have an order authorizing it. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Good God!!! 11 nailed to crosses in bizarre Philippine ritual
11 nailed to crosses in bizarre Philippine ritual http://www.voila.co.uk/News/afp/people/000421110535.8fddgvdc.html SAN FERNANDO, Philippines (AFP) - - Ten men and a woman were nailed to wooden crosses here on Good Friday in a bizarre ritual held annually despite the disapproval of the mainstream Roman Catholic church. Several hundred local and foreign tourists watched under a hot sun as the 10 men, clad in white loincloths, and a woman in a white robe reenacted what the Bible describes as the crucifixion of Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago. The 11 staggered into a fenced-in knoll where neighbors dressed as Roman centurions awaited with wooden crosses, hammers and four-inch (10-centimetre) nails. Bus driver Chito Sangalang grimaced as the nails were driven into his palms and feet as he was nailed to a cross. The cross was hoisted aloft for the crowd to see before Sangalang was taken down. "It's amazing to see people sacrificing themselves for their sins," said American tourist Rey New, 40. It was the 14th year Sangalang has been nailed to a cross. His brother Arnel was crucified for a seventh time along with eight other penitents. Woman penitent Amparo Santos was crucified last. Chito Sangalang told journalists that he was taking part in the annual crucifixion ritual to thank God for curing his mother of tuberculosis. "I promised to do this for 15 years. This is my 14th year," he said. The annual spectacle began when Sangalang was "arrested" by fellow worshippers dressed as Roman soldiers and brought before a man playing the role of Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor who authorized Jesus's death. Accompanied by horse-riding "guards", he walked a dusty one-kilometer (0.6-miles) to the man-made knoll where he was nailed to the cross. Guards pretended to pierce his side with a spear. The nails, soaked in alcohol beforehand, were pulled out after a few minutes. Aside from the crucifixions, dozens of penitents walked barefoot in the village of San Pedro Cutud, beating their bare backs bloody with sticks laced with broken glass. The Roman Catholic church has frowned upon such expressions of fealty, but penitents reenact them annually to seek special favors from God such as the healing of a sick relative or the meeting of a financial need. "Faith is important, but let's not go to the extremes," Cardinal Jaime Sin, the highest-ranking church leader in the Philippines, has said. Spain brought Catholicism to this southeast Asian archipelago with the sword of colonial conquest in 1521, and the Philippines remains the lone major Catholic outpost in Asia with more than 50 million Catholics. The faith supplanted animism and Islam, which had arrived two centuries earlier, in all but a few areas in the large southern island of Mindanao. In the Mindanao city of Zamboanga, large numbers of Roman Catholics stayed away from churches on Good Friday amid bomb threats attributed to Muslim extremists, residents said. Soldiers and police armed with assault rifles guarded churches for afternoon masses following threats by the radical Islamic group Abu Sayyaf to attack Christian targets. "We are afraid because there are threats of terrorists bombing churches here," said businesswoman Marites Fernandez, 27. She, her husband and seven children broke tradition and avoided attending mass and a religious procession afterwards through the city, where 90 percent of the 500,000-strong population are Christians. Fernandez's neighbours in Zamboanga's Tetuan district also stayed at home, most of them glued to television or radio sets where masses and Jesus's "Seven Last Words" while on the cross were aired live. "Even my sister who has a statue of a saint did not attend the procession. It's very scary, we are just being careful," Fernandez told AFP. MOI COMMENTS: In certain portions of this area of the world - you can be locked up by the [un]holy Vatican for "illegally" eating their potato chip wafer "god" - and locked up for an number of years! Some probably think i'm joking - but its sadly true! But here the [un]holy monks can only "disapprove" of this pagan superstition and potentially life threatening bunkum. But WHO may we ask, has taught, and given to drink to these people, the cup of satanic anodyne, that teaches men to seek the "the favour of god" by their own works in the first place? Is it not in fact the gaudily dressed prelates of the Vatican spiritual syncretic whorehouse - aka "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (cf, Revelation 17:5) as the olden time nations and "people of book" did say of her. What a conspiracy of deceit - if ever there was one inflicted upon humanity! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] More Nexus Paranoia from Dunks
I think Dunky dear that your, as you said, "bullshit detectors" may overheating due to the fact the "bullshit" is too close to home and swishing around that empty head of yours. Have no idea why your paranoiac response required your lewdness - or accusing people of "lying". I did not write with any such lewd language to you. Why does your response entail being crude? Rather a touchy dear aren't we? You ought to also be aware that making such defaming statements as calling folks liars - when you clearly have no basis for such and are patently wrong, is called "bearing false witness" - which essentially makes you the liar. Just to dispel the ignorant state you're in at the moment - the comment was heard on the 3AW station in Melbourne, on a talkback show hosted by a Steve Price. You can check with them, seeing as this point irks you so. All I did was ask whether or not the statement made on public radio was correct as to what a chap had said about your magazine being linked with the League of Rights in Australia- which some say is a Neo-Nazi group. Frankly - a simple "no" would have sufficed - if you are an individual that has any integrity that is - really no need to go into all the paranoiac accusative waffle their Dunks. As to your dear old "I am Dorothy" Fraser defender - quotation marks are generally there for a reason, in this case because these are the dear old Cyber cross-dresser's OWN WORDS - as they were, in his implication that the Jews are "VAMPIRES". It does seem the thing with a certain hair-brained strand of New Age Neo-Gnostic types - the self-enlightened set - to hate the Jews. There have even been books written on the similarities between the New Age type philosophies and the Nazi movement. This particular strand also holds as their virtual holy book - that proven forgery, "the Protocols of Zion". I personally know of individual Jewish folk for example, who say the same thing - perhaps they're just not well enough informed? What the links are to you with this Fraser character, I don't know - but certainly, it makes one consider why such would feel some link or empathy toward yourself and your magazine - in his "defence" of you. Personally, I have no time for racists - and as such I would not have them come to my defence in any form. And you're saying you've never ran adverts for D'Icke with his images therein? Not that I really care - but you never promoted the guy? You've never ran anything in your mag about the guy? As to it being a New Age type mag - I would suggest that I am not the first to have this impression - generally, if memory serves right - my local News Agent dumps your mag in the same section as all the other New Age crapulous nonsense - it does appear that others get the same sense from your mag - even as to where it ought be classified at the News Agent. The guy I heard on the air said he was going to partition his News store to have the mag removed. As you may have read some of my other posts here I am not one for censorship of thought - even if it repels me. So in this I would disagree with what was said. But it does raise the question as to why such strong emotion would be expressed. If you feel I am incorrect in my assessment of your mag, or any questions that have been raised - you are quite free to forward me copies, or any other information, you may wish for me to further review - I can forward you my mailbox via private e-mail if you wish. I personally don't know this writer guy you obsessively rant about - but if he writes as you suggest - as well as I do - he must be an interesting read. In fact, you've got me intrigued with him - do you have his number, or e-mail address, or know where he writes? - Original Message - From: "nexusmagazine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Say - DUNCAN Roads ... ? You're from "down under" right? yes David And involved in all that New Agey Nexus Magazine kinda stuff - right? NEXUS Magazine is not 'new agey' - pick up any copy or visit the website and read for youself I heard on the radio the other day that your magazine was funded by the Right Wing, some say Neo-Nazi, League of Rights in Aussie land - any truth to that report? Total rubbish. I own the magazine with my partner, Catherine. I come from an organic agriculture, meditation/health food, environmental background, with leanings described by most readers as left-wing if anything. I earned the wrath of the Australia-Israel Review mob in Melbourne, Australia. For those who don't know this bunch, let me just say that if you ask any Jew in Melbourne about the AIR they will tell you (with distaste) that the Australia-Israel Review people are rabid, right-wing extremists, funded by some of Australia's wealthiest Jews. These are the people who helped fund Netanyahu and his policies into power. I earned their wrath because during a couple of visits to
Re: [CTRL] AOL Censership
Thius has been true ever since AOL started its 'we know all, you don't' full I- Net service program. This is one of the reasons *why* I stopped using it ... at various times when I chose to disconnect or log-on, AOL had to make its changes. At one point, I decided that since I bought the computer, it must be MY system. AER Installing this software makes system changes that most people are unaware of. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Quack Sentenced
The Gerson Clinic did the same stuff to my sister! (She died, too. 2 quacks to thank for it) It's easy to believe these when you know you have cancer. He should be in prison. Makes you wonder if you can pay for the right to commit muder carte blanche. (By the way, the bill for a couple of weeks at Gerson's 'Clinic' was close to 60,000 Canadian dollars, so if this guy treated enough people, he's still come out ahead.) I wonder if there's a special place in hell for these guys. Tara -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Quack Sentenced 09:27 PM ET 04/20/00 Coffee Enema Doctor Sentenced By SAMUEL MAULL= Associated Press Writer= NEW YORK (AP) _ A doctor who received network television attention for unusual cancer treatments that include coffee enemas was told by a jury Thursday to pay the husband of a dead patient $282,000. The jury found Dr. Nicholas J. Gonzalez negligent for telling Hollace Schafer, a college music professor, that by testing her hair he could diagnose the state of her cancer and prescribe appropriate treatment. Schafer died in 1995. The verdict was the second against the 51-year-old Gonzalez. In 1997, a jury ordered him to pay the family of Julianne Charell, 64, more than $2 million because of his unorthodox treatment of her uterine cancer. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More Nexus Paranoia from Dunks
David, I have every Nexus mag available since 93 and they always usually put it in with the science, in NZ as there are often articles of a scientific nature or about health or medicine of all kinds. It couldn't be classed right wing as every issue is different and there are a balance of different subjects: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/BackIssue.HTML Check out every back issue and if you can find any right wing stuff I'd be surprised. Here are some articles to read too. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ Who do you class as right wing anyway David? Do you mean the ex military who sometimes write articles on the surveillance? Nicky A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IS UNIVERSE a HOLOGRAM ???
- Forwarded message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 Subj: IS UNIVERSE a HOLOGRAM ??? COMMUNIQUE #2311 - "Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." -- Marshall McLuhan writes in his 1972 book "Take Today" From: Ambrose Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Universe as a Hologram -- Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm? In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears. The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes. This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something. To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration. Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side. As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship
Re: [CTRL] Good God!!! 11 nailed to crosses in bizarre Philippine ritual
This isn't so bizarre in countries where faith is especially strong. In this
and others, they have the 'flagellantes' who whip their backs as a sign of
faith and compassionate (perhaps not so conservative) suffering for their role
model. Not much different than American athletes who emulate others how have
gone before them and suit up with pads and Reeboks to try for that immaculate
reception or Hail Mary touchdown pass ... and, so, for the uninitiated,
From http://www2.hawaii.edu/~millado/flagellationfolder/flagellation2.html
And there's more before and after this part AER
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The Origins of Christian Self-Flagellation
Following in the ascetic footsteps of the early Desert Fathers, and sparked by
nascent ecclesiastical emphasis upon the suffering of Christ, religious self-
flagellation originated in the eleventh century among Italian hermits and
monastic reformers, notably Saint Peter Damian (1007-1072). With the rise of
mendicant orders, in particular the Franciscans and Dominicans, the lay Third
Orders of Penance, and ultimately flagellant confraternities in early
thirteenth century Europe, "the discipline", as self-flagellation was known,
spread rapidly until it became "not only a normal feature of monastic life
throughout Latin Christendom but the commonest of all penitential techniques"
(Cohn 1970: 127). Aside from vicarious participation in the passion of Jesus
Christ, who was flagellated (Matthew 27: 26; Mark 15: 15; John 19: 1) on Maundy
Thursday, prior to his crucifixion and death on Good Friday, corporeal
subjugation was intended to catalyse the transition from a life devoted to
gratification of bodily desires to a higher sanctified life in the spirit
(Sabbatucci 1987: 114). As Thomas à Kempis (1380-1471) suggested in his The
Imitation of Christ, the triumph of spirit over matter, soul over body, and
eternal over temporal is made possible and manifested through self-discipline
and denial (Zialcita 1986: 61).
Flagellant sects emerged in late medieval Europe in an attempt to expiate the
sins of Christendom and to avert divine retribution in times of crisis, such as
war, famine and plague. As these sects proliferated, a flagellant movement
evolved which began in Perugia in 1260 with penitential processions, then swept
across western Europe despite prohibition by Pope Alexander IV in 1261.
Throughout the next century, flagellant processions waxed in times of hardship
or fear and waned during periods of stability. In 1349, after a particularly
fervent outbreak, a papal bull issued by Clement VI condemned the flagellants
as heretical and forbade processions, which thereafter became increasingly
intermittent but did not disappear. In late sixteenth century France, for
instance, flagellation enjoyed royal patronage under Henry III, while in
Germany in the early seventeenth century, the Jesuit Jacob Gretscher, compiled
a history and vindication of the discipline. However, by the eighteenth
century, if not earlier, religious self-flagellation was in decline throughout
Europe, with the important exception (for the Philippines in particular) of
Spanish penitential confraternities; the latter famously inspired by the
Christocentric preaching of the Dominican friar, Saint Vincent Ferrer (1350-
1419), who advocated flagellation as a means to purify the soul. In Spain, it
was not until February 1777 that Charles III censured the processions of the
disciplinantes. Flagellation, it was alleged, had degenerated into a public
spectacle which evoked "instead of edification and repentance, scorn from the
prudent, amusement and uproar from the boys, and amazement, confusion and fear
from the children and women, and even more injurious results, rather than good
example, or the expiation of sins" (cited in Wroth 1991: 18). As elsewhere in
Europe, albeit later, public self-flagellation in Spain slowly abated. Today,
with the exception of certain monastic orders, most famously Opus Dei (Walsh
1989: 111-13), and convents (Campbell-Jones 1979: 87), as well as isolated
brotherhoods or communities in northern Spain, southern Italy (Ferlaino 1990),
Mexico (Brandes 1988: 63-69), New Mexico (Weigle 1976: 159-162), and parts of
Latin America, the practice of Christian self-flagellation is virtually
extinct. Certainly, its decline is beyond dispute. The sole and important
exception to this declivity is the resurgence of self-flagellation in the
Philippines, the only predominantly Christian nation in Asia (see Barker 1996).
Contemporary Self-Flagellation in the Philippines
Before turning to Philippine religious history, specifically the origins of
self-flagellation in the islands, knowledge of certain aspects of contemporary
ritual performance is expedient. Self-flagellation is performed today in
lowland Christian Philippines during Holy Week, on Maundy Thursday and Good
Friday, as a ritual re-enactment of the scourging of Jesus Christ at the
pillar.
Compassionate participation in (damay) and imitation of the
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
Yes, and I've also seen the newsreels of 'poor' little Elian at home with his
caring and sharing relatives, at play, guns (more than one type toy)(if not an
arrow) in hand, having a great time. Wasn't too caring nor sharing with the
little stuffed animal his female relative tried to pose him with, though. And,
I've also read the accounts of the Uncle (Tio?) who averred he'd lay down his
life for the little feller. And, I still don't get *why* the government didn't
put him in neutral custody long before now (except for {read my closing}).
Recall: he's a 6 y/old immigrant from a foreign country, status undetermined
inasmuch as Momma and boyfriend never made it. The really strange thing is
this 'judge' who claims that a 6 y/old can request political asylum ... I have
yet to hear the little feller render his definitions of the terms, 'political'
or 'asylum'. This 'judge' must have fed his kids ice cream and cake for three
meals a day ... shoot ... if a 6 y/old can request asylum, determining daily
dietary needs must be as difficult as blinking, what? Then, of course, Reno
went to work to nullify THAT political 'correctness'.
If any American kid was put in similar circumstances any where around the
world, you'd bet the bureaucrats would be thumping desk. If your kid was being
given 'sanctuary' in Iraq or Iran or China or even some of the more friendly
countries, would YOU be willing to defect or to allow some 'relative' to keep
the kid (especially in the land of 'Miami Vice' or 'Scarface')(yeah, yeah,
HollyWeird but that's all they gots to go on)? But, seriously -- what parent
of all of you would just roll over for an adversary of the U.S.? Their
countries are as great to them as ours is to us, no?
I hear Castro's really pleased now. Can't wait to see -- in the coming weeks --
how 'pleased' he's become. THIS is the real shame: tug 'o war with the tyke
to make political points --- WWWAY over the kid's head (and pay grade).
AER
For those who have seen the photo of the G-man in riot gear waiving the
barrel of his machine gun just inches from the terrified boy, there's
now
little doubt who the true abusers of Elian Gonzalez are: President
Clinton,
Attorney General Reno and the officials who went along with an assault
plan
that put Elian's life in danger; a plan that was guaranteed to frighten
him
out of his wits.
Surely no qualified psychologist would suggest that Elian won't carry
the
emotional scars of that moment with him for the rest of his life.
AER
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[CTRL] Janet Reno has violated the constitution and must resign
I just sent this email and hope others will do the same. It was not penned by me. I got it from another's post at freerepublic.com -Original Message- From: Tara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 1:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Janet Reno has violated the constitution and must resign Janet Reno has violated the 4th ammendent on illegal search and seizure and the INS has broken their own CFR rules by using DEADLY FORCE! They had no warrant and were not given permission to enter the home of Lazaro Gonzalez. For those who may not know our Constitution"s Amendments IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation . . . V: no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law . . . VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed . . . INS RULES 8 CFR PART 287 -- FIELD OFFICERS; POWERS AND DUTIES (2) An immigration officer may not enter into the non-public areas of a business, a residence including the curtilage of such residence, or a farm or other outdoor agricultural operation, except as provided in section 287(a)(3) of the Act, for the purpose of questioning the occupants or employees concerning their right to be or remain in the United States unless the officer has either a warrant or the consent of the owner or other person in control of the site to be inspected. When consent to enter is given, the immigration officer must note on the officer's report that consent was given and, if possible, by whom consent was given. If the immigration officer is denied access to conduct a site inspection, a warrant may be obtained. Section 287.3 deals with a waiver that allows INS to inspect vessels and vehicles within a "Reasonable distance outside the US Border" Sec. 287.8 Standards for enforcement activities (2) Deadly force. (i) Deadly force is any use of force that is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. (ii) Deadly force may be used only when a designated immigration officer, as listed in paragraph (a)(2)(iii) of this section, has reasonable grounds to believe that such force is necessary to protect the designated immigration officer or other persons from the present danger of death or serious bodily harm. (iii) The following immigration officers who have successfully completed basic immigration law enforcement training are hereby authorized and designated to exercise the power conferred by section 287(a) of the Act to use deadly force should circumstances warrant it: (A) Border patrol agents, including aircraft pilots; (B) Special agents; (C) Deportation officers; (D) Detention enforcement officers; (E) Immigration inspectors; (F) Immigration examiners when in the uniform of an immigration inspector and performing inspections or supervising other immigration inspectors performing inspections; (G) Supervisory and managerial personnel who are responsible for supervising the activities of those officers listed above; and (H) Immigration officers who need the authority to use deadly force under section 287(a) of the Act in order to effectively accomplish their individual missions and who are designated, individually or as a class, by the Commissioner with the approval of the Deputy Attorney General. (b) Interrogation and detention not amounting to arrest. (1) Interrogation is questioning designed to elicit specific information. An immigration officer, like any other person, has the right to ask questions of anyone as long as the immigration officer does not restrain the freedom of an individual, not under arrest, to walk away. (2) If the immigration officer has a reasonable suspicion, based on specific articulable facts, that the person being questioned is, or is attempting to be, engaged in an offense against the United States or is an alien illegally in the United States, the immigration officer may briefly detain the person for questioning. (3) Information obtained from this questioning may provide the basis for a subsequent arrest, which must be effected only by a designated immigration officer, as listed in § 287.5(c) . The conduct of arrests is specified in paragraph (c) of this section. (c) Conduct of arrests. (1) Authority. Only designated immigration officers are authorized to make an arrest. The list of designated immigration officers varies depending on the type of arrest as listed in § 287.5(c)(1) through (c)(5). (2) General procedures. (i) An arrest shall be made only when the designated immigration officer has reason to believe that the person to be arrested has committed an offense against the United States or is an alien illegally in the United States. (ii) A
