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Mother Teresa statue tangled in UN protocol
UNITED NATIONS: The United Nations has denied a report it rejected a gift
from Albania of a statue of the late Mother Teresa -- but proved in the
process that even a near saint's likeness can run afoul of UN protocol.

A UN spokesman on Friday said the Albanian UN mission ''has, in fact, been
consulting with the UN Arts committee with a view to presenting a gift.''

''There has been some discussion about a presentation of a statue of Mother
Teresa, but there is nothing formal on the table right now,'' spokesman Fred
Eckhard insisted, denying a report that an offer had actually been been made
and turned down on artistic grounds. ''We have no opinion on the quality of
the statue in question,'' he added.

But hinting that protocol was the real issue, he said the United Nations was
''waiting to hear from Albania about a gift which, according to established
practice,'' he pointedly noted, ''should be representative of the culture or
art of the state presenting it.''

He then recalled that Mother Teresa was born in Skopje, the capital of what
is now the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, adding, ''therein lies the
rub.''

He was delicately questioning whether a statue of an ethnic Albanian born in
Macedonia but of Indian nationality, who spent most of her life ministering
to the poor in India, would be ''representative of the culture or art'' of
Albania. (Reuters)


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[CTRL] The Clinton Team and Blackmail Part 1


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06/19/2000
The Clinton Team and Blackmail


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By J. Michael Waller
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Intelligence and security experts are outraged at the Clinton
administrationâs probable use of blackmail and susceptibility to it as the
Congress fails to investigate.

Catching people with their pants down was a prime way of compromising and
recruiting them,â recalls former KGB general Oleg Kalugin, who was decorated
for, among other things, recruiting Americans to spy for Moscow. The Russians
call it gathering âcompromising material,â or kompromat. In the West, itâs
known as blackmail.
   After the 1994 elections, when the Republicans took control of the
House of Representatives, the Clinton administration ran an alleged
dirt-digging operation out of the Office of the White House Chief of Staff,
says Gary Aldrich, a former senior FBI special agent on White House duty at
the time. âThey hired upwards of 36 lawyers to staff the operation to handle
40 different cases,â Aldrich tells Insight. âOnce it became known that they
had such an operation, then the blackmail itself took place.â It all came in
handy when the House impeached President Clinton. âPeople like [James]
Carville and [George] Stephanopoulos said in the media that there would be a
âscorched-earth policyâ and that everyone who had skeletons in their closet
would be exposed if they didnât back off the impeachment policy,â Aldrich
says.
   These threats allegedly were carried out during the 1998 impeachment
trial of Clinton, when White House operatives and allies such as pornographer
Larry Flynt not only dug up dirt on their Republican opponents but openly
threatened them with releasing it if they persisted.
   House leaders who didnât submit found themselves swamped by
embarrassing revelations about their past or present personal lives. Some,
such as House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton of Indiana and
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde of Illinois, went public to
preempt the revelations. Others, such as House Speaker-elect Bob Livingston
of Louisiana, otherwise an able and honorable man, saw their political
careers destroyed.
   They wouldnât be blackmailed, but their fates would be an example to
others. According to Capitol Hill insiders, some Senate Republicans caved
under the implicit threat. âOne of the things that always bothered me was why
senators we thought might be willing to do the right thing [and vote to
convict Clinton] backed off,â David Schippers, the Democratic Chicago lawyer
who led the impeachment investigation, tells Insight. âI still have in the
back of my mind some thought that Filegate had something to do with it.â
   Filegate is, of course, the still-unresolved scandal of the FBIâs
illegal transfer to Clinton political operatives in the White House of the
secret, personal background files of at least 900 Republican former
officials. Those files, security experts say, are filled with raw, unverified
information of the most personal and often lurid kind. Schippers says he
believes the White House or its designees used leads from some of those files
to blackmail lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Congress, despite his urging, has
failed to probe the matter.
   Blackmail, whether by political hacks or foreign spies, can be crude
or sophisticated. Some consists merely of confronting the targeted victim
with compromising documents, photos or videotapes. But itâs usually done more
subtly. Dan Moldea, who was one of pornographer Flyntâs lead investigators,
denies blackmail in a rambling self-defense: âNo member of our team ever
approached any of our targets and posed any threats and/or ultimatums â or
participated in any other activity that could even remotely be viewed as
blackmail or extortion.â That would be illegal. But Aldrich says âblackmail
is implied,â and the recipient gets the message.
   Kompromat-type blackmail might work to hold a politician at bay or
extort policy decisions. But in the intelligence world it usually isnât
enough to recruit someone as an effective agent under operational control. A
1989 KGB training manual on recruitment of foreigners titled Political
Intelligence From the Territory of the USSR, obtained by Insight, says that
recruitment based purely âon the basis of kompromatâ is âespecially riskyâ
because it often produces a resentful or unreliable spy. Kompromat can be a
good starting point from which to begin recruitment, but often it takes place
after the intelligence service

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   Great concern, indeed. Nunn fingered the ugly truth that politicians on
both sides of the aisle would rather avoid: how the way they conduct their
personal lives can affect their public and constitutional duties. Nunn has
not spoken about the issue since and does not plan to, according to an aide.
He was unavailable to comment for this story. Both houses of Congress seem to
have washed their hands of the matter.
   The question is, why? And that brings us back to Filegate. The KGB and
other intelligence services devote huge resources to investigating the
backgrounds of foreigners they seek to recruit. To limit the potential for
foreign-espionage recruitment of U.S. citizens, career civil-service,
foreign-service, military and intelligence officers place all their trust in
a bureaucratic vetting process designed to assess their good character and to
detect if they can be subjected to blackmail or otherwise be induced to
betray the country. They voluntarily submit to close scrutiny of their
private lives in order to be entrusted with the nationâs secrets. They have
placed their complete trust in the system that trusted them.
   That is, until Filegate, when the FBI and the White House broke the
seal of faith.
   Former FBI special agent Aldrich has conducted more than 10,000
background interviews on about 2,000 individuals. âWe look at a potential
blackmail issue,â he tells Insight. âEspecially when we know that a spouse
will generally cause great havoc in the personâs life. That is the hammer
held over the head of the person undergoing the background investigation.â
The hammer, he says, could be adultery, perversion, drug use or information
of a financial or criminal nature that the individual fears being exposed
lest it ruin a reputation, career or marriage.
   âOnce the [questionable] activity is discovered, the question is,
âAre people who are close to you aware of your conduct?â If the answer is
yes, we ask if we can confirm that. If the answer is no, we suggest that they
have to disclose it to the parent or loved one and then we confirm it, or
that they drop out of consideration [for a sensitive government post]. So
thatâs one way it works,â explains Aldrich, who now heads the Patrick Henry
Center for Individual Liberty, which supports the right of government workers
to engage in ethical dissent from policy.
   The system has worked for more than a half-century, with total
confidence that the material in oneâs background file always would be
protected against leaks or misuse. However, says Aldrich, other former and
current FBI agents, officials from the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, or
DIA, and other security and intelligence services also believe that the
system has broken down under the Clinton administration.
   Seasoned counterintelligence professionals are outraged, and some
blame not only the Clintons but the FBI director. âIt was the height of
irresponsibility for Louis Freeh to allow this to happen,â a veteran tracker
of Russian spies tells Insight. âThat was a disgrace. He broke faith with
millions of people on that one. The buck stopped with him. He knew what was
going on.â
   Even Third World dictatorships ran operations to entrap, blackmail or
extort U.S. congressmen and senators. And itâs nothing new. In the 1980s,
Panamaâs then-dictator Manuel Noriega kept some potential Senate critics at
bay, well-connected Panamanian sources tell Insight, by hosting them at a
special resort on exotic Contadora Island. There, in private compounds,
Noriegaâs agents were able to cater to the senatorsâ every whim â and
recorded the activities. Those sources name at least three U.S. senators
still serving, two Democrats and a Republican, who allegedly engaged in
activity that could have subjected them to blackmail.
   Panama is a hotbed of gossip and conspiracy theories, but former
senior U.S. government sources who served in Panama confirm seeing
intelligence traffic concerning Noriegaâs operation to co-opt U.S.
politicians, including senators, at his Contadora Island compound. âThat
could explain one of the reasons why Noriega escaped congressional scrutiny
of his atrocious records on human rights and corruption,â says a retired U.S.
military officer who dealt with Noriega and Congress.
   Long-term intelligence operations can span generations, moving from
father to son. Thatâs how it was with Julius Hammer and his son Armand, who
laundered money to establish the first Soviet espionage networks in the
United States and who waged an espionage and agent-of-influence campaign for
Moscow that began under Vladimir Lenin and outlived the Soviet Union, en

[CTRL] The Love Letter of Sullivan Ballou - Civil war


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The Love Letter of Sullivan Ballou
NewsMax.com & SullivanBallou.com
Memorial Day
Love of country is not unique to Americans, but in a democracy, sending
citizens to war requires far more than a dictator's fiat.
In 1861, men on both sides of the conflict were willing to lay down their
lives for what they believed to be right.

When the war started, few volunteers in the Northern army marched off to end
slavery, but many were ready to fight and die to preserve the Union.

One such soldier was Maj. Sullivan Ballou of the Second Regiment, Rhode
Island Volunteers. Then 32 years old, Ballou had overcome his family's
poverty to start a promising career as a lawyer.

He and his wife, Sarah, wanted to build a better life for their two boys,
Edgar and Willie. An ardent Republican and a devoted supporter of Abraham
Lincoln, Ballou had volunteered in the spring of 1861, and on June 19 he and
his men had left Providence for Washington, D.C.

He wrote the following letter to his wife from a camp just outside the
nation's capital, and it is at once a passionate love letter as well as a
profound meditation on the meaning of the Union.

It caught national importance 129 years after he wrote it, when it was read
on the widely watched television miniseries "The Civil War," produced by Ken
Burns.

The beauty of the language as well as the passion of the sentiments touched
the popular imagination, and brought home to Americans once again what
defense of democracy entailed.

Ballou wrote the letter July 14, while awaiting orders that would take him to
Manassas, where he and 27 of his men would die one week later at the Battle
of Bull Run.

The following is an abridged letter written by Sullivan Ballou to his wife,
Sarah, shortly before his death:


July 14, 1861 Camp Clark, Washington

My very dear Sarah:

The indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days - perhaps
tomorrow.

Lest I should not be able to write again, I feel impelled to write a few
lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more ...

I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in the cause in which I am
engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American
Civilization now leans on the triumph of the government and how great a debt
we owe to those who went before us through the blood and sufferings of the
Revolution.

And I am willing - perfectly willing - to lay down all my joys in this life,
to help maintain this government, and to pay that debt ...

Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me with mighty cables
that nothing but omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes
over me like a strong wind and bears me urresistibly on with all these chains
to the battlefield.

The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over
me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so
long.

And it is hard for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future
years, when, God willing, we might still have lived and loved together, and
seen our sons grown up to honorable manhood around us ...

I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but
something whispers to me - perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little
Edgar, that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed.

If I do not my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last
breath escapes me on the battle field, it will whisper your name ...

Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless
and foolish I have often times been! How gladly I would wash out with my
tears every little spot upon your happiness ...

But, O Sarah, if the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around
those they love, I shall always be near you, in the gladdest days and in the
darkest nights ... always, always, and if there be a soft breeze upon your
cheek, it shall be my breath, as the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it
shall be my spirit passing by.

Sarah do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall
meet again ...

Sullivan Ballou









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snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become
nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey...
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Re: [CTRL] INS Investigating Beating of Elian Camera Crew

2000-05-28 Thread Joe McQuaid


one thing about this post seems very suspicious. since when do the networks
let anyone --- such as the Miami gang, as you call the Gonzalez family and
the Cuban Exiles/Families supporting them --- decide how they will cover a
story and who they will use to cover it? also, why did NBC issue a letter
protesting the treatment of their camera man? even though it was a very mild
letter not reported on tv extensively?


>From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] INS Investigating Beating of Elian Camera Crew
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:39:33 -0400
>
> > The Immigration and Naturalization Service is actively
> > investigating allegations that a federal SWAT team beat up an NBC
> > camera crew as it was preparing to film last month's raid on the
> > home of Elian Gonzalez's Miami relatives, NewsMax.com has
> > learned.
> >
> > "That issue is now being taken up by our Internal Audit Office,"
> > INS spokeswoman Maria Cardona told NewsMax.com in an exclusive
> > interview Tuesday. "They're looking into it more closely."
> >
> >  Last month, Cardona told Accuracy In Media's Reed Irvine that
> > the machine-gun-toting agents denied having "any physical
> > contact" with freelance NBC camerman Tony Zumbado and his
> > soundman Gustavo Moeller. The two had been designated as the sole
> > source to provide network "pool" video coverage from inside the
> > house.
>
>I've posted about this subject here before, but it bears repeating...
>
>What isn't mentioned above is that the designation of 'sole source
>to provide network 'pool' video coverage' came from the Miami gang,
>not from any 'network pool', because Zumbado, a Cuban-American
>himself, was openly supportive of the Miami gang...
>
>And Zumbado was interviewed live on MSNBC shortly after 7am the day
>of the raid...barely two hours after the event.
>
>He not only showed no signs of being 'roughed up', he told a very
>different story than the one he seems to be saying now.  He repeated
>this early version of events later that same day, in yet another
>live MSNBC interview, done about midday...
>
>In his early version he claimed that he was immediately knocked
>unconscious by the front door, because that was where he was sleeping.
>No mention of being 'roughed up'.  No mention of waking up outside.
>No mention of his soundman buddy. No claim of equipment or tape being
>destroyed.  Zumbado had to keep reiterating to the anchor interviewing
>him that the reason he didn't get any tape footage was due to being
>knocked unconscious when the INS first entered, he made it a point to
>claim of being taken so much by surprise before losing consciousness
>that he never had time to even lift his camera, let alone get it ready...
>
>
> > Cardona's denial came after Zumbado told MSNBC, "We got maced.
> > ... We were told to lay on the floor. ... I was kicked in the
> > stomach and pushed down and they kind of like put their foot on
> > my back and told me not to move or else they were going to
> > shoot."
>
>Again, as I mentioned above, this is at odds with Zumbado's original
>description of events made just a few hours afterwards...in his first
>interviews, he never mentions mace (indeed, we now know that mace wasn't
>used, but pepper spray...perhaps a minor point, but it shows that
>whomever is writing this article isn't doing research).
>
>Zumbado's original interviews had him claiming of being immediately
>knocked out, and knowing nothing of what happened afterwards until he
>conveniently regained consciousness just moments after the INS left.  No
>kicking in the stomach, no pushing him down (because he was already on
>the floor, supposedly sleeping, when the INS came in).  No jackboots on
>his back.  No agents telling him not to move or else they'd shoot.  No,
>in his original description he repeatedly stated he was knocked out cold
>by the door when the INS first entered, and that he had no knowledge of
>what happened thereafter, until he came to just after the INS left.
>
>
> >  While the NBC cameraman was being attacked inside the house, his
> > soundman, who was still outside, was hit on the head with the
> > butt of a shotgun, then held at gunpoint for the duration of the
> > raid.
>
>This perhaps is true.  But it would have to be the soundman who would
>have to verify what in fact happened to himself.  What we have here is
>hearsay, inadmissable in a court of law.  Anything that Zumbado claims
>happened to the soundman is NOT due to his direct observation, but what
>he would have been told by the soundman and others afterwards...
>
>
> >  NBC reporter Kerry Sanders, who was also assigned by the network
> > to cover the raid, told NewsMax.com that Zumbado and Moeller gave
> > him identical versions of the assault minutes after INS agents
> > sped away with Elian.
>
>Perhaps.  But all this statement tells us is that a colleague of theirs
>claims they described the sam

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Deal with this reality from French fighter pilots and 500 other hard
scientifically validated cases.  Let go of your scifi rhetoric and
confront the integrity, probity, and overwhelming evidence of the French
military and scientific
avante-garde.

The "integrity" of the French military!?! Gimme a break. Theses are the
guys who clamped electrodes to Algerian genitals. These are the guys who
bomb women and children in Iraq, in Yugoslavia, and before they were
driven off at gun point, in S.E. Asia. They are not nice people. They are
imperialist predators.

 They have a top notch, world class intelligence service who can lie and
manipulate with the best of them. They are not  credible sources. NATO in
general is not a credible source. Ask [EMAIL PROTECTED] how credible NATO
is.

They also have not come up with a single ET, just a lot of talk.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 >That intelligent ET's are visiting Earth for ANY reason is a BELIEF, and
as such is unassailable since no argument I put forth to refute it will
stand up to your innate belief in it.

At least we are making progress. We used to argue about matters of belief
that could not be resolved, i.e. morality. Morality, after all, is a
matter of opinion. One person's vice is another person's virtue. These
disputes can never be resolved. The best we can do is to hold truce about
them.

But this thing here is about belief in things that can be resolved. They
can be resolved by hard, forensic, physical  evidence. They cannot,
however be resolved by eyewitnesses, even if they themselves believe they
are telling the truth. Everyone believes things that aren't true. It's
part of the human condition. As such, it can be used by clever
psy-warriors to alter the behavior of both individuals and groups. If
humans were incapable of believing things that weren't true, eye witness
accounts would suffice. But alas.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>You don't speak for all the Celts.

I didn't say that I did. I wasn't speaking for Celts at all, any Celts. I
was speaking about Celts. That's different.

>You are still trying to figure out if there are even aliens,

I didn't say that either. I said, and I quote, "The existence of ETs is
pretty much a mathematical certainty. Count stars. Hell yes, there are
ETs. We'd be foolish and vain to assume there were no ETs. They're out
there, alright."

Don't put words in my mouth. It's rude.

>yet you are inplying you are above average intelligence.

Usually I'm at least smart enough to spell check my post when I'm
discussing other people's relative intelligence..

>On the other hand Andrew and I have both had extensive personal dealings
with Ets and written books on this. We are termed 'Celt'. In my case I
have had personal daily communications with local ETs (Venusians etc) for
years but stopped in 1984.

(1.) That's what you say.

(2.) Even if you're telling the truth as you see it, and I am willing to
give you the benefit of the doubt, all that proves is that you believe
that it's true. It does not prove that whoever told you they were ETs were
telling you the truth. I tell people I'm Nessie. Does that make me a lake
monster?

How do you know I'm not a ET and I'm just messing with your head here? You
don't, do you? Nor do I know who you are. For all I know for certain you
are all subroutines in some vast interactive AI driven MUD in which, of
all the characters,  I'm the only one who's actually human (or ET or lake
monster or the guy across the street or whatever the hell I am). You don't
know for sure. You can't know for sure. And that's just how the internet
is.

And neither can I. So stuff I read on the internet is not ever, in and of
itself alone, gonna convince me of anything, least of all that some  ETs
somewhere give a rats ass about this sorry, backward, obscure rock we're
on.

Forensic evidence will. I told you how and where to go touch China. So you
owe me one. Tell me how and where I can go touch an ET, or a demonstrably
ET artifact, and I will do so and then I will shut up about this
immediately.

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>>It makes intuitive sense and also provides an explanation for facts that
>don't seem to fit anywhere else.
>
>That alone does not make it true. It makes intuitive sense that the earth
>is flat, which would also explain why

>ships sail away sometimes and never come back.
they must have sailed off the edge. Hey, it makes common snese!
>It also explains why half the time we can't see the sun. It must be under
>the earth. That's sure as hell is how it looks.
>
>Things are not always how they look. It's too bad, because it sure would
>make life easier. But it is what it is.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>if you dismiss ET's  . . . then you cannot claim that your KITCHEN exists
if you cannot see it at any one time.

This statement is true if and only if I dismiss ETs because I cannot see
them an any one time.  That's not what I said. I don't dismiss ETs, p

[CTRL] Hollywood Victims

..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:

From: Matrixx Entertainment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hollywood Victims
Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:57 PM

HOLLYWOOD VICTIMS
by John W. Cones

In response to those who would suggest that there are no victims for the
Hollywood malfeasance cited in this author's series of books on Hollywood
(see http://www.mecfilms.com/coneslaw/conesbk.htm), the following is a
fairly comprehensive list of the victims of the Hollywood-based U.S. film
industry. Additional suggested Hollywood victims may be offered for
inclusion in this list through the FIRM site Discussion Forum c/o
http://www.homevideo.net/FIRM/archives.htm .

1. Millions of children who are exposed to violence, graphic sexual content
and excessive foul language because the industry does not properly rate
movies or provide adequate advance information about motion picture content.

2. Millions of parents who are fooled into spending their hard-earned money
and taking their children to inappropriate movies.

3. Millions of children and adults who are exposed over a lifetime to
consistent negative and stereotypical portrayals of certain populations in
our diverse society. Such portrayals lead to prejudice, which in turn leads
to discrimination and unnecessary conflict, adversely affecting the entire
nation.

4. Millions of politicians, government officials, parents, teachers and
others in positions of authority who are consistently portrayed as fools and
bumbling idiots in Hollywood movies (the Hollywood anti-authority themes).

5. Millions of Arabs and Arab-Americans, African-Americans, Latinos, Women,
Gays/Lesbians, German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Asian-
Americans, Native Americans, Southerners and others who have been victimized
by Hollywood prejudice expressed through the consistent negative and
stereotypical portrayals of these populations.

6. Millions of Christians and Muslims who are also regularly portrayed in a
negative and stereotypical manner in Hollywood films.

7. Thousands of large and small investors who foolishly believe that they
will be treated fairly by Hollywood deal makers and accounting practices.

8. Thousands of attractive women from all over the world who are drawn to
Hollywood thinking they may become movie stars, only to end up selling their
bodies to survive. Some do not survive.

9. Thousands of attractive struggling actresses and actors who are booked by
unscrupulous agents into foreign entertainment gigs that turn out to be
nothing more than the modern-day version of a white slave trade.

10. Hundreds of small independent producers who cannot get their movies into
decent theatres because they are squeezed out of the marketplace by the
releases of the major studio/distributors, whose movies are not always of
better quality, but who use anti-competitive business practices to gain
leverage over the exhibitors.

11. Thousands of actors, actresses, directors, producers, screenwriters,
composers and studio executives from all over the country who are routinely
excluded from fair access to opportunities in Hollywood through nepotism,
favoritism, cronyism, blacklisting and other forms of employment
discrimination rampant in the Hollywood-based U.S. film industry.

12. Hundreds of actors, actresses, directors, producers, screenwriters who
have tried to demand a fair accounting of film revenues and have been
blacklisted for their efforts.

13. Thousands of actors, actresses, directors, producers, screenwriters who
would have demanded a fair accounting from the major studio/distributors or
would have taken the studios to court but for the reasonable fear of being
blacklisted.

14. Thousands of actors, actresses, directors, producers, screenwriters and
composers who are cheated out of good work on major films because powerful
talent agents regularly exclude them from their packaged deals presented to
the studios on a take it or leave it basis (a clear violation of the
antitrust laws).

15. Thousands of screenwriters all across the country whose ideas or actual
screenplays are stolen from them in a Hollywood system that does not provide
fair protection or just compensation for either.

16. Hundreds of small independent theatres that cannot get fair access to
the releases of the major studio/distributors because distribution is not
conducted on a truly competitive basis.

17. The U.S. Justice Department that cannot function as it should in
vigorously enforcing the U.S. antitrust laws in the film industry because of
political interference originating in the White House.

18. The hundreds of Congressional politicians who do not have the courage to
properly investigate Hollywood because of the millions of dollars in
campaign contributions periodically directed toward their campaigns or the
campaigns of their opponents.

19. Private sector film ratings and review organizati

Re: [CTRL] INS Investigating Beating of Elian Camera Crew

2000-05-28 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

On 28 May 00, at 8:28, Joe McQuaid wrote:

> one thing about this post seems very suspicious. since when do the networks
> let anyone --- such as the Miami gang, as you call the Gonzalez family and
> the Cuban Exiles/Families supporting them --- decide how they will cover a
> story and who they will use to cover it? also, why did NBC issue a letter
> protesting the treatment of their camera man? even though it was a very mild
> letter not reported on tv extensively?

All of this is moot, the "jackbooted thugs" are using the
same tactics that the Nazi SS and Gestapo (gehaime stats
polizei or secret state police) used 65 years ago and the
American public is lauding it.

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[CTRL] Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-27-00

2000-05-28 Thread Nicky Molloy

Alfred is a guest on this show on the 29th and talking about Expolitics.
Book can be previewed here.
http://www.universebooks.com/reviewexopolitics1.html
Nicky

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 Are We Alone?

  by Dennis Balthaser

When becoming involved with the subject of ufology at any level,
we are faced with the fact that things are seen in the sky by
different individuals, that are not explainable as anything we
know about, or have seen before. I suppose that's why it's so
important to understand that UFO, means "Unidentified Flying
Object". Does that mean they are extraterrestrial and from
another world? Not necessarily. 90% of what people see are
explainable objects, either caused by natural phenomenon,
(planets, stars, comets, ball lightning, etc.), or man-made by
us here on earth, such as airplanes, balloons, etc. The remaining
10% continues to mystify us, many times reported by credible
individuals, with no logical explanation for what they have seen
or experienced. If they are in fact craft from another world, are
they unmanned probes or are they controlled by living beings of
some sort? If and when it's proven that these UFOs are actually
maneuvered or controlled by living beings from somewhere other
than the earth, then the answer to the question "Are We Alone",
might finally be known.

I have as many others have, read many of the books about aliens,
and have interviewed several witnesses claiming to have actually
had experiences with alien life forms. I'm not qualified to be
judgmental on what I was told, but I honestly believe that many
that shared their experiences with me did actually experience
something, and I felt a deep obligation to at least listen to
them. When possible, I referred them to more qualified
professional researchers to pursue their experiences.

Years ago I reported the planet Venus as being a UFO, only to
find out that I was mistaken. Who could argue with the fact that
the F-117 or B-2 Stealth aircraft, at certain angles of
observation, could easily be mistaken for a UFO. How many other
newly developed craft are in our possession that the public
doesn't know anything about, because they are still classified
for national security, which is a viable reason for not making
them public.

The research of this subject almost places one in a "Catch 22"
situation. I know in my case as a researcher and investigator, I
want to be told, if in fact we have alien craft and/or alien
beings in our possession. On the other hand, I do not want any
foreign threats to our nation because we publicly told the world
about new technology or craft that we're developing. I no longer
believe that the public would panic over the news that we are not
alone in the universe, as was more prominent 50 years ago,
because today people are much more educated and open minded to
such possibilities. Perhaps the people in charge in our
government or military don't believe that, or maybe, and this
would be a worse scenario, this is the Government's way of
controlling us. After all, "IF" we have been in the past and are
currently being visited by extraterrestrials from another world,
as many believe, maybe our military and political leaders can't
do anything about it, consequently until they can, if they ever
can, they won't admit it exists, because I believe that would
cause concern among the masses. Unfortunately, in many instances,
we no longer know whether to believe our leaders or not, based on
their records for the past several years with such things as
Vietnam, IranContra, Watergate, and the fact that we have four
excuses for the Roswell Incident. In some of the Air Force
reports about the Roswell Incident, there were no bodies, then
there were bodies, but they were anthropomorphic dummies. They
were 3 1/2 ft. to 5 ft. tall...the dummies were 5'-8" to 5'-10"
and not even used until several years after the Roswell Incident. We no
longer know if we're being told the truth or not.

Just within recent years Scientists, Engineers and Astronomers
have been talking about the "possibility" of life elsewhere in
the universe. The odds are just to great, considering the number
of stars and planets that are out there to think we're alone.
That would be taking our own egotism to the maximum. Th

[CTRL] Billy Dee Radio on contrails.

2000-05-28 Thread Nicky Molloy


Wednesday, 24 May 2000 13:38
> Subject: Billy Dee Show "Chem-Trail Controversy!"
Now archived.


Hello!
  The URL direct to the Billy Dee Show radio page is
"http://www.eaglehost.com/UFOSSI/bdeeshow.html"
The URL to UFOSSI's main page is "http://www.eaglehost.com/UFOSSI".
The radio page can be found linked from the main page, just below my
photograph.

Thanks
Billy Dee

> http://www.eagle-net.org/UFOSSI/index.htm
>
> Subject: Billy Dee Show "Chem-Trail Controversy!"
>
>
>BILLY DEE SHOW
>  "CHEM-TRAIL CONTROVERSY!"
> 
> Also, Next Weeks Show, Special Guest
>   "Derrell Simms"
>
>
> A special edition of the Billy Dee Show will discuss a very serious
>issue, about the "alleged" Chem-Trail Controversy".
>
>After editing and listening to the pre-recorded program, I am
> convinced this special program should be an absolute must by
> everyone on the list, as well as many people that will, to listen to
> this very powerfully delivered presentation.
>
>   For those of you who have seldom listened to any Internet radio
> shows, or have never even listened to one, I urge you not to miss
>  this one, that is very shocking, to say the least.
>
> All Americans, need to know about what is being done in the skies
> over this nation.  Are we being systematically sprayed with
> dangerous chemicals and bacteria that causes a vast array of
>   human malady's?
>
>We received two letters from two people who claim to have the
> answers of what is in the chem trails.  And what they found through
> detailed analysis is startling and shocking!  Is this entire matter of
> chem-trails all alleged, or is it real.  According to a web page that
> I
>  recently read, a congressmen by the last name of Udall, is
> demanding answers from the government, but it getting none!  That
> sounds to me, this beyond "alleged".
>
>You really do not want to miss tonights Billy Dee Show special
>  presentation, "The Chem-Trail Controversy"
>
>
>Also:
>   Next week Weds, Derrell Simms, the noted and well known
> Ufologist, called the "Alien Hunter" will be on the Billy Dee Show as
> a guest.  That show should prove out to be a very interesting one, as
> Mr. Simms will explain much to do about alien implants.  Derrell
>   Simms, is the number one renowned expert on alien implants, and has
>   spoken at meetings, conferences, all over the U.S.   We are honored,
>   and feel privileged to have Mr. Simms joining us for an
>extremely interesting program.
>
>  Thank You
>  Billy Dee
>
>


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[CTRL] Skylab 2000


NASA Saying Goodbye to Universe Eye


Updated 12:15 PM ET May 27, 2000
By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Compton Gamma Ray Observatory is poised for a suicide
plunge to Earth, ending a successful nine-year $670 million space mission
that opened a new window on the universe.

Starting Tuesday, NASA engineers will send signals to the satellite to
perform a series of rocket firings that will drop the Compton from its
317-mile orbit and send it into a final, fiery dive to the Pacific Ocean
early on June 4.

"It will be like losing a member of the family," said Donald A. Kniffen, a
NASA scientist who has worked with the Compton since 1979, when the
astronomical observatory was little more than engineering sketches and
scientific dreams.

Even though the Compton still was capable of collecting science for the
world's astronomers, the craft is ailing. After a gyroscope failed, engineers
from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration decided to
deliberately crash the 17-ton spacecraft while they still could control it.

An analysis showed that if NASA did nothing, the craft would eventually fall
on its own, with one-in-1,000 chance of killing someone on Earth. The craft's
orbit carries it over some of the most populated areas of the world,
including Mexico City, Miami and Bangkok, Thailand.

Using the remaining guidance and control equipment on Compton reduces that
risk of fatality to about one in 29 million. NASA chief scientist Ed Weiler
said he chose safety over science.

"How much science is worth the risk of even one human life?" Weiler asked
when announced his decision.

NASA was not eager to repeat the nail-biting experience of Skylab, the 78-ton
space station that crashed in 1979. Engineers had no control over the station
when it dropped from space and spread hundreds of pounds of hot metal across
the Indian Ocean and into a remote section of western Australia. No one was
hurt.

The Compton will be the largest spacecraft brought down in a deliberate,
controlled crash.

NASA engineers plan to dump the Compton in a remote part of the Pacific
Ocean, 2,500 miles southeast of Hawaii. The impact target is a corridor 16
miles wide and some 1,426 miles long. It angles across the equator, northwest
to southeast, and ends about 680 miles south of the Galapagos Islands.

A rocket firing to lower the orbit is scheduled for Tuesday night from the
space agency's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. A second firing
is set for Wednesday. That will set the craft up for two final firings June
4.

The rocket thrust will slow the Compton enough to drop it into the
atmosphere, where friction heat will burn up most of the craft. The main
concern is for six 1,800-pound aluminum I-beams that may survive the re-entry
and splash into the ocean.

Kniffen said he is approaching the end of Compton with a mixture of sadness
and pride.

Since the craft was launched April 5, 1991, he said, the instruments on the
Compton have completely changed the way astronomers view the universe.

The instruments were designed to detect gamma rays, an energetic form of
light invisible to the eye and hardly detectable on Earth.

But in space, the Compton found that the whole universe was bathed in gamma
rays, with explosions occurring in distant galaxies almost daily.

Before Compton, Kniffen said, astronomers thought gamma ray bursts, the most
energetic events in the universe, could be detected only in the Milky Way,
the home galaxy of the Earth and Sun.

"Within months of its launch, we had proof that gamma ray bursts were coming
from all directions in the universe," he said. "We realized that some of them
were coming from very early in the history of the universe," which means they
were far beyond the Milky Way and were very, very powerful.

During its mission, the Compton recorded more 2,500 gamma ray bursts, while
only about 300 had been detected previously, NASA said. Some of its
detections came quickly enough to alert other observatories which then
collected observations in visible light and X-rays.

The cause of the gamma ray bursts is still a puzzle, but Kniffen said the
libraries of data from Compton may help astronomers find answers.

Compton also detected gamma rays streaming from black holes, from exploding
stars and from the sun.

An analysis of the data has helped astronomers, for the first time, begin to
understand how black holes can trigger jets of X-rays and gamma rays that
streak outward at velocities approaching the speed of light.

The Compton was originally expected to last only two years. But when that
time was up, the mission was extended repeatedly. It took its last bit of
data - a gamma ray snap shot of the sun - on Friday.

"It performed far beyond our expectations," Kniffen said. "Dollar for dollar,
it was one of the most successful missions NASA has ever had."

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[CTRL] Chopper sprays home of patriot & files hacked too

2000-05-28 Thread Nicky Molloy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: (Mailing List 1) < ([EMAIL PROTECTED])> <(Mailing List 1) <
([EMAIL PROTECTED])>>
Date: Sunday, 28 May 2000 16:51
Subject: URGENT NEWS UP-DATE! POST EVERYWHERE!

URGENT NEWS UP-DATE!
  POST EVERYWHERE!
~~~

   I recently sent out a report of a top contact source, that has
  supplied us with information, he (the contact) had witnessed two
black choppers fly in over his house, and hover, then left, then an F-
117 jet fly overhead within 1,000 feet above, and spray the contacts
  home and block, then after passing, stopped the spray, and then
went back from where it came towards the Edwards AFB.  Later, the
contact stated that there was a strong oily odor in the air.  The
contact also stated that he is sure, he is being harassed, and being
watched.  We commented, that we believe this, because this contact
  has been one of our best sources of information, and within the
  past year and half, has given us 100% confirmed reports.

We are very concerned, and especially now, as we just received in
   a further up-date, which does not sound good, and possibly the
worst I have feared may happen, is that the contact is feeling ill from
the spray, with definitate physical reactions taking place.

Please read on!  Also, do keep this person and his family in prayer.
   Believe me, this is a genuine situation going on here.

Also, if anyone has any suggestions for help for this contact, please
let us know at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  We are taking this situation
extremelely serious, considering the the established credibility of
the contact.

--- Forwarded message follows ---
From:   (PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL)
To: "Billy Dee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:Billy(Private)
Date sent:  Sat, 27 May 2000 14:36:26 -0700

Brother Billy,
Thanks for your concern and prayer. I have been feeling very dizzy and
seem unable to concentrate, but I have a few questions and some
observations to relay to you.
 I want you to know that I am definately not blaming anyone in
 your organization for this but I would like to know if you know
 anything about (names deleted). The reason I'm asking is because
 I gave him my name and address to use for a followup. He assured
 me that it would be kept confidential but I find it ironic that
 this has happened shortly after contacting him. I think that I
 have been watched for quite some time though. For instance, the
 anti-hacker programs that you sent me dissapeared from my mail
 folder along with the contents of several other mail folders, all
 my documents and pictures from other folders on my hard drive,
 before I had installed the programs you sent. I now have a
 personal firewall called Zone Alarm installed and security
 settings set on high and have seen it stop several attempts. As
 for observations, I had several domestic rats in my garage that I
 was keeping for a friend while he was on vacation. I found them
 all dead this morning.I also found two dead ground sqirrels on
 the property and 4 dead starlings.Yesterday I saw an unmarked
 white van parked next to the junction box for the phone, which is
 about a half mile from here. It was there most of the day and I
 could see that the cover was off of the box. All my e-mail that
 goes to the (name of e-mail deleted) address stopped suddenly at 6 pm
 yesterday. I tried to access it from the website at softhome.net
 and got a message saying that access was denied. This morning it
 was working again but I am missing about 6-8 hrs' of mail. This
 is the e-mail addres that I gave to (name deleted).
  The house was flown over several times this morning by a small
  single engined cesna with us navy on the right wing.Also our
  normal trash pickup day was yesterday but for the past three
  weeks we have had to call and have them pick it up because it is
  left. They have no explanation,
but the last two times the truck that picked it up didn't even belong
to the normal trash company, instead it was painted blue and looked
just like the other vehicles that the air force uses including US
government on the doors in small white letters.I hope they enjoy it
because this time it had 15 dead rats in it.
  Thanks again for your prayers. I'm not goin' off the deep end
  yet, but it is hard to believe that someone would go to this
  much trouble, for what reason? I'll keep you informed, don't
  know how my son is doing because he left on his camping trip
  shortly after the incident yesterday, and we were the only two
  home at the time.

God Bless,
(name deleted)

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[CTRL] Fwd: Spencer Firm Underwager Cited






This article was originally published in
Shepard's Expert and Scientific Evidence Quarterly
Volume 2 Fall, 1994  Number 2
LAW OFFICES OF SKIP SIMPSON
A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
ATTORNEYS AND COUNSELORS
2828 WOODSIDE STREET
DALLAS TEXAS 75204-2524
SKIP SIMPSON
JULIE KAY BAKER
Causes of Action against Health Care Providers by
Retractors of Abuse Allegations
I. Who is a "Retractor"

A. Their needs are special


1. The attorney should keep in mind that the client is there because of
problems with other trusted professionals, and will be wary of
professionals.
B. The attorney/counselor's role
II. The Retractor's Case

A. The Facts1
1. Patient's Presenting Problems: Eating Disorder, Depression, or difficulty
in relationships; usually no memory of any abuse.
2. Therapist determines/suggests sexual and/or satanic ritual abuse; usually
no memories of sexual abuse or SRA prior to therapy. The combination of the
therapist's suggestions with the vague recollections of childhood causes the
patient to become more vulnerable, and this vulnerability is facilitated and
encouraged by the mental health treaters. Vague memories then become clear
accusations.
3. Typically, the patient is diagnosed as having been sexually abused, then
part of a satanic cult, then suffering from multiple personality disorder
alleged as a result of this traumatic abuse. The MPD diagnosis is required
to explain the patient's inability to recall the abuse and participation in
cult activities.
1 Wakefield, Hollida, M.A. and Underwager, Ralph, Ph. D, Magic, Mischief and
Memories: Remembering Abuse.
4. The patient then doubts this accusation diagnosis: doubts are treated as
part of satanic cult programming and/or the patient's "being in denial."
5. The patient is urged to separate from family and friends. Separation from
family of origin is stated to be necessary because of the abuse and the
family's and friends' possible continuing participation in a satanic cult,
which would inhibit the patient's recovery. The probable reality is that
these individuals are usually the "voice of reason" whom would reinforce the
doubts being voiced by the patient.

6. Continuing doubts, and increasing numbers of appearing "alters," lead to
hospitalizations, stated to be necessary to "integrate" the personalities so
that the patient may be a productive member of society. However, these
hospitalizations typically worsen the patient's problems, as more "alters"
or problems are created, and the treatment is extended so long as the
insurance allows. Often the original treater has referred treatment to
others who are alleged "experts" in the treatment of these conditions.
7. Some "outside" stimuli, news reports, magazine articles, television news
or talk shows, eventually "awaken" the patient to the likelihood that the
treatment has been an unnecessary sham.
B. The Parties
1. The "therapist" -- whether M.D., Ph.D., L.P.C., M.S.W., or other
2. All doctors (M.D.'s) who were responsible for supervising the treatment
of non-physician therapists.
3. The hospitals which admitted the retractor and gave treatment credentials
to these "treaters. "
4. Any individuals who provided "advise" to the treaters or to whom the
retractor was referred for an "expert" evaluation, including supposed
experts in SRA.
5. Authors of self-help books utilized by the therapists as the basis of
treatment, i.e., The Courage to Heal.
C. Obtaining Evidence That Shows Memories Were Implanted and Evidence of
Carelessness by the Treater
1. Thoroughly investigate the repressed memory claim by seeking:
(a) All medical, psychiatric, and school records of the retractor from
childhood to the present.
(b) Interview the retractor's peers, parents, siblings, relatives,
neighbors, friends, teachers, and anyone to whom the retractor was most
likely to confide.
(c) The nature and origin of the initial disclosure in as much detail as
possible.
(d) The nature of any current therapy of the retractor. Are techniques such
as hypnosis and survivor groups used?
(e) The training and background of the therapist.
(f) Whether the therapist specializes in treating MPD or trauma-search
therapy.
(g) All books, television shows or workshops about sexual abuse of rape to
which the retractor may have been exposed.
(h) Any exposure of the retractor to recovered memory cases through a highly
publicized case or through friends who may have reported that this happened
to them.
(i) The work history of the retractor, including any problems with
supervisors or co-workers and claims of sexual harassment.
(j) The psychological characteristics and social and family history of
accused adults. A psychological history of the accused may be important.
(k) Any criminal record or prior behavior in the accused adult which would
support or make less probable the veracity or the allegations.
(1) A detailed description of the behaviors alleged to have occurred.
(m) Possible ways by which the retractor was told she could benefit from or
receive reinfor

[CTRL] Fwd: Skip Simpson Story






 I know, I know  the name is Simpson, not Spencer, as I wrote in the
previous subject lines. Please correct if you forward the last two messages.
  Alex

Criminal Charges Filed in Recovered Memory Case
Psychiatrists Liable for Millions in Civil Suits

by Michael Jonathan Grinfeld

December 1997 

The stakes in the debate over recovered memories therapy ratcheted upward in
October with the indictment of five health care professionals, including two
psychiatrists, in Houston. Charged in a 60-count indictment-believed to be
the first of its kind in the United States-the former staff members of the
now defunct dissociative disorders unit at the Spring Shadows Glen
Psychiatric Hospital are accused of perpetrating a "scheme to defraud by
allegedly falsely diagnosing patients with multiple personality disorder
caused by their alleged participation in a secret satanic cult"; this
according to Larry Eastepp, an assistant United States attorney for the
southern district of Texas.

In a press release outlining the conspiracy and mail fraud charges, the
government is claiming that the defendants "brainwashed" patients, including
children, into "relating false experiences and memories about the cult, and
that false medical records were created to substantiate the false diagnoses
and treatment." The alleged conspiracy resulted in millions of dollars in
insurance payments, Eastepp asserted. The charges stem from an investigation
by the FBI and the Pension Welfare Benefits Administration of the Department
of Labor. 

Charged in the case were Judith A. Peterson, Ph.D., a licensed psychologist
and former clinical director of the unit; Richard E. Seward, M.D., a
psychiatrist and the clinic's medical director; George "Jerry" Mueck, the
former hospital administrator; Gloria Keraga, M.D., a psychiatrist
responsible for admissions to the unit; and Sylvia Davis, M.S.W., a licensed
psychotherapist specializing in a form of therapy called psychodrama.
Memorial Healthcare System, which now owns what was once Spring Shadows Glen
Psychiatric Hospital, is not connected to the allegations in the indictment.

Each of the 60 counts in the indictment carries a maximum penalty of five
years in prison and a $250,000 fine, and, if convicted, the defendants would
face sentences under federal guidelines that include no parole provisions.
The severity of the charges reverberated through the mental health
community, with some practitioners claiming the federal government has now
criminalized psychotherapy.

The allegations in the indictment center around the course of treatment
proffered to patients who recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse. The
indictment claimed that patients were diagnosed with multiple personality
disorder and treated for the illness based on "unsubstantiated and
unrealistic allegations and abuses, including satanic ritual abuse and cult
activity." It then goes on to allege that the defendants conspired to create
fraudulent medical records in order to obtain insurance payment.

Critics of repressed memories theories, who have coined the counter-malady
of "false memory syndrome," consistently argue that mental health
practitioners induce memories of abuse through inappropriate treatment
regimens. The indictment lends some credence to these claims by accusing the
defendants of fraudulently eliciting "statements of satanic ritual abuse and
cult activities from the admitted patients, through nontraditional treatment
modalities, including the use of leading or suggestive questions during
therapy sessions while the patients were: under hypnosis; under the
influence of a drug or combination of drugs; isolated from their families,
friends and the outside world; denied certain privileges and freedoms,
including uninterrupted sleep; held down by excessive or medically
unnecessary physical restraints; or, otherwise by the use of techniques
commonly associated with mind control and 'brainwashing,' in order to
conduct their fraudulent insurance payment enterprises."

The prosecution will now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the
treatment methods used by therapists engaged in recovered memories therapy
have no merit-a difficult task considering that the issue has polarized the
medical community for years.

The nonprofit International Society for the Study of Dissociation (ISSD), a
Glenview, Ill.-based organization that represents approximately 1,000
psychiatrists, psychologists and other mental health practitioners,
criticized the government for criminalizing what to them is a civil issue
regarding standards of care. Claiming the indictment will have a "chilling
effect on psychotherapy," the organization also said that by prosecuting the
case, "the federal government is indicating their willingness to set
standards for diagnosis and treatment."

The criminal indictments come at a time when psychiatrists and other mental
health practi

[CTRL] [endsecrecy] India, the WTO and capitalist globalization

..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:

From: Remy C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: endsecrecy list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [endsecrecy] India, the WTO and capitalist globalization
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:59 AM

(Thanks to Alternative Press Review magazine for reprinting this great
article in their Spring 2000 issue, where I found it, and tracked it down
back to the source. Remy C.)

http://www.ainfos.ca/00/jan/ainfos00357.html

India, the WTO and capitalist globalization
>From "jaggi singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@hotmail.com
Date Sat, 22 Jan 2000

  A - I N F O S  N E W S  S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/

[A slightly different version of this article was to appear in the
Alternatives supplement of HOUR magazine, a weekly newspaper published in
Montreal.]

India, the WTO and capitalist globalization
by Jaggi Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@tao.ca

BHOPAL, INDIA, January 13, 2000  Mike Moore, the shell-shocked
Director-General of the World Trade Organization (WTO), is visiting India
this week to meet with "top officials and business leaders". Its all part
of a concerted attempt at damage control after the victory of diverse
peoples movements at the Battle of Seattle. According to a WTO envoy in
Geneva, "Moore clearly sees India as a key to kick-starting the negotiation
process." [Reuters, January 7, 2000].

[In an interview with India Today Magazine [January 24, 2000], Moore spoke
of the "liberating force of globalisation" and declared it "a reality, not a
policy." In Moores words, "The era of "isms" is over." He didnt mention
"capitalISM."]

The official Indian government delegation to the Seattle WTO Ministerial
meetings took a hard-line stance, at least publicly, against linking trade
to labour and environmental standards. It was a position supported by all
the major parliamentary factions, including the so-called left parties.
Indeed, the governments view not only echoes that of other governments in
the "Third World", but is critically supported by the majority of
progressive opponents of globalization in India and the rest of South Asia.

Its not that activists here are "soft" or relativistic about labour
standards, the environment or human rights; nor are they naïve about whom
the Indian government really represents. Rather, they see Western
governments apparent discovery of universal human values and standards as a
ploy to ensure a competitive advantage for their own multinational
companies. This view is widespread in countries like India, with its own
historical context of colonialism, and contemporary context of
neo-colonialism (with which the "holy trinity" of the WTO, International
Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank (WB) are considered synonymous).

According to Sanjay Mangala Gopal, the co-coordinator of the National
Alliance of Peoples Movements (NAPM, representing some 125 grassroots
organizations): "We will define our own way of development and we are
capable of doing it. Who are you to teach us about child labour or anything
else?"

Gopal insists that voices from the South -- where the majority of the
worlds marginalized peoples live and survive  should provide the
leadership to the international resistance to globalization (by definition,
this includes those pockets of the Third World in the North, such as many
indigenous and minority communities in North America). The analysis
emanating from diverse sources in the Third World  not just the communists
 revolves around the "Three Aunties."

Theyre not talking about a kindly trio of female relatives who pamper their
nephews and nieces, but an analysis of the WTO and related institutions that
is "anti-imperialist", "anti-colonial" and "anti-capitalist," phrases which
are seemingly alien to most mainstream anti-globalization movements in the
North. As Gopal puts it, "If you want real change, you have to abolish the
capitalistic mode of development."

In the forceful words of R. Geetha, a union and womens rights activist
based in Madras, "Who are they [the West] to impose conditions on
third-world countries? People are starving here! Why the hell should they
tell us what kind of economy we should have?"

Meanwhile, Medha Patkar, a leading organizer of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
(NBA, a more-than-decade long mass movement against destructive development
and displacement in the Narmada River Valley of India) is not shy in saying:
"The ultimate goal is to say no to the WTO. Were against the whole
capitalist system."

As for the clear emphasis by major Western labour, environmental and
consumer organizations that the WTO needs to be reformed -- the "fair trade"
crowd -- activists here respond with varying degrees of diplomacy. In the
carefully chosen words of Patkar, "The context of developed and developing
countries is different. Those who are for reforms [will] realize over a
period of time that these institutions [WB, IMF and W

[CTRL] PINK ELEPHANTS AND THE COMMUNAZI CONNECTION


PINK ELEPHANTS AND THE COMMUNAZI CONNECTION
FROM HITLER TO HARRIMAN
Anthony J. Hilder


For the Illuminati to get the multitude of nations with their vast variety of
linguistics, political, religious and racial differences to surrender their
unique individualities to its gaggle of Globalists requires that they
maintain the capacity to do five things:
1) To defraud the people, create their money out of nothing and loan it back
to them with interest (i.e. the Federal Reserve Bank). 2) To place their
political puppets from supposedly opposing parties in positions of power by
3) having near total control over all means of communication (i.e. The
Managed Media, ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC, Time Warner, Newsweek, the Washington
Post and the LA and New York limes, etc.) 4) To keep their criminal
operations secret from the pubic so that 5) they can create catastrophes,
crisis and chaos to bring about control through World War and other acts of
terrorism, treachery and treason.

There is no such thing as treason to the Illuminati Elite. They hold no
allegiance to any nation or religion, except Lucifer - their Lord. Itâs not
only their intention to control the world, its their intention to own it and
everyone on earth.

The core of this Cashist Cabal is shielded by layers and layers of liberal
lackeys who do their âdirty workâ through the Alphabet Agencies who receive
their orders from this Evilarchy. They are trained to lay down their lives,
if necessary, to protect this Communazi Coalition of Criminals from exposure
to the truth.

Untangling this nest of Satanic Sovereign Sucking Snakes so that they can be
dealt with decisively requires that their Communazi nature, connections and
activities be fully understood. It requires a quantum leap for some to grasp
the full significance of the massive sellout of our sovereignty. Others
merely need for someone like our Alliance to connect the dots which will
allow them to VISUALIZE THE BEASTS that we are dealing with. So try if you
will to put the pieces of this giant political jigsaw puzzle together and you
will get the BIG PICTURE even though you will be missing some of the parts.

Dr. Carroll Quigley is Bill Clintonâs mentor. In his book TRAGEDY AND HOPE,
Quigley talks oodles about Willard Straight who founded the New Republic
Magazine. Fred Barnes, whose feet is firmly implanted in Council on Foreign
Relationsâ concrete, was the chief Political correspondent for Straightâs
NEW REPUBLIC before Fox News picked him up to be one of their Pink Elephant
âPitch Manâ for the Network. Professor Quigley, the Illuminatiâs most
respected historian says itâs âperfectly clear that Straight was in no sense
a liberal or a progressive, but was, indeed, a typical International Banker
and that the New Republic was simply a medium for advancing certain designs
of such INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.â

In 1947 Straight founded a another mag, the UNITED NATIONS WORLD, which was
devoted to supporting ALGER HISSâS UN AGENDA. Hiss, who was first Secretary
General of the United Nations Organizational Conference in 1945 was found to
be a Communist Operative and went on to jail for what was tantamount to ACTS
OF HIGH TREASON. Straightâs financial partner in the UN publication was
Nelson Rockefeller, a Money Mob MODERATE who was appointed Vice President by
President Gerald Ford, a MODERATE who was appointed by Richard Nixon, a
MODERATE. All were members of the Cabalistic Council on Foreign Relations at
58 East 68th Street in New York City. Their goal was Global Government.

Fred Barnes is now an editor for the Weekly Pink Standard, which pushes the
Manhattan Money Mob's "Moderate Messageâ over Fox TV. Straight and the
Globalist Government Gang was born from the bowels of the international
Banksters that operated from the Equitable Trust Building at 120 Broadway in
New York City.

Itâs not just a coincidence that Averell Harriman, former Ambassador to the
Soviet Union and the chief operative of Brown Brothers Harriman, worked out
of the same building that gave birth to many, Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein
Fuherer fan in New York City. Harriman was in bed with Hitler and confiscated
millions of dollarâs from Jews, like Friedrich Georgi, who once owned the
General Motors Franchise of Austria before the war. Brown Brothers Harriman
confiscated Georgiâs assets along with millions of other Jews which helped
finance der fuherer Dream for a New World Order and a European Union.

Harriman wasnât alone in his help of Hitler. Others from the Brotherhood of
Death (the Skull and Bones) like Prescott Sheldon Bush (Skull and Bones)
partnered with Harriman in the help of Hitler. Some may say why bother with
this now. Itâs blood under tie bridge. And the Holocaust is over. The Jews
are dead, they canât be brought back to life, so why bring up all bloody
business. Just let bygones be bygones. Donât rock the boat. Why stir up
trouble.


George Jr., Prescott Bushâs grandson (Skull and Bones)

[CTRL] Fw: [legality-of-income-tax] http://www.prepaidlegal.com/go/pjseely


Bard

No more payroll withholding of taxes..
No more same-sex
'marriages'..http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2525/ts/pope_gays_1.htm
l
No more homo sex education.. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm
 Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex
No more (kid)nappings..
No more phony warrants..
No more Little Havana's..
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/elian000421_miami.html
No more OKC's.. http://www.constitution.org/okc/okc.htm
No more Waco's.. http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm
 Waco Pictorial Essay
No more Ruby Ridge's.. http://www.ruby-ridge.com/
 (the above can only happen
  if the DemoRats and RepubRats
  are thrown out of office.)

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [legality-of-income-tax] http://www.prepaidlegal.com/go/pjseely


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[CTRL] Foreign Spy Agencies Target The White House


Foreign Spy Agencies
Target The White House

by Sherman H. Skolnick


The White House has been racked by scandals. So what else is new!

In the forefront of recent disclosures about a spy scandal AT THE WHITE HOUSE
has been Insight Magazine. In an apparent exclusive story they say that the
FBI super-secret counter-intelligence unit, Division Five, has ostensibly
found out that Israeli intelligence, The Mossad, has reportedly penetrated
White House communications, phones, Faxes, modems, the works.

Some one at Insight Magazine once called me demanding I divulge my sources to
one of my previous stories. [Since I am not the Establishment press, it is
deemed okay to look down their nose at me.] They got all puffed up with my
loudmouth answer.


"Look, friend, if I want to co-operate with the Korean CIA that owns your
publication, Insight Magazine, and their sister magazine, Washington Times, I
will deal directly with their spy shop, not you. So Goodbye." In the years
past, my attitude got me thrown out of press conferences by the press whores.
"Where is your Secret Service pass, Skolnick? You have no permit to be here."
I never get a chance to explain that the First Amendment permits me to be
there.


Since I have openly condemned the Secret Service for historically being
complicit in political assassinations from the time of President Lincoln
onward, they no doubt would never grant ME a pass to rub elbows with the
official pressfakers. What, you say? No one ever told you that the Secret
Service has to approve of you or you cannot be a reporter attending an
important press conference? Savvy folks understand. The White House has been
so penetrated by foreign espionage operations, it is hard to know where to
begin.


George Herbert Walker Bush, as President, so much as invited them in. He
being a New World Order type and all that. Clinton, as President, met from
time to time, in the White House, with Wang Jun, the reputed head of the Red
Chinese Secret Police. But get this: Wang Jun has been the PRIVATE LAW CLIENT
of Kenneth W. Starr, the supposed "Independent" Counsel who claimed to be
running after Bill and Hillary for over four years.

Several of Clinton's hangers-on were found dead who knew too much about all
this. [The list is too long to put here.] Clinton reportedly turned over to
Wang Jun, and others of the Red Chinese Secret Police, U.S. industrial,
financial, and MILITARY secrets. To a sworn enemy of the United States. The
classic definition of treason, right? And Starr has reportedly been the
UNREGISTERED foreign lobbyist for the Red Chinese government.


[To get a better handle on this, pull up my series on The Red Chinese Secret
Police in the United States.] In previous stories we have mentioned how Rahm
Emanuel, by reported strong-arm methods and extortion, got hold of a secret 3
million dollars of federal agency funds to jump-start Clinton's first
campaign for President, late in 1991. Thereafter, off and on for some six
years, Rahm Emanuel was Clinton White House Senior Advisor. On a local PBS TV
Show in Chicago, Rahm Emanuel bragged in a TV camera shot right inside the
White House, that his desk was the closest of any to the Oval Office.

With dual citizenship, U.S. and Israel, Rahm Emanuel is reportedly an
important player in the Red Chinese Secret Police washing the massive
proceeds of "China White" dope through the Chicago markets, such as the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange. The Chairman Emeritus of the "Merc" as it is
called has been Leo Melamed, who reportedly grew up in the Orient, speaks and
understands Chinese. Melamed has been a reputed kingpin in the open secret in
Chicago of the Red Chinese Secret Police and the La Salle Street commodity
peddlers. As we have told you, also laundered through the Chicago markets
reportedly have been the proceeds from the human body parts business. The Red
Chinese Gestapo arrests and imprisons young, healthy dissidents. When body
parts are ordered by the Rockefeller Hospitals (University of Chicago), the
prisoners are condemned to death, beheaded to protect the parts, and the body
pieces are shipped to Chicago.

After leaving the White House, Rahm Emanuel became Managing Director of
Wasserstein & Perella, with head-quarters in New York and an office in
Chicago. They reportedly are the link in clandestine deals with the Red
Chinese as supervised by their secret police. Rahm Emanuel reportedly assists
the Red Chinese in keeping their armlock on the Chicago markets in
commodities and foreign currencies, an open secret.

White House correspondents were and are well aware that the White House
communications have been penetrated by foreign intelligence operations. But,
to keep their well-paid jobs, they are silent. One White House network
reporter is openly known as somehow keeping track of all of the President's
communications, comings and goings, and clandestine meetings. Is this
conveyed to foreign "spooks"? Is that person and other reporters actually
assets o

[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] [BRIGADE] The GOP: Clinton's Bag Boys


Bard

No more payroll tax withholdings..
Mo more same-sex
'marriages'..http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2525/ts/pope_gays_1.htm
l
No more homo sex education.. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm
 Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex
No more (kid)nappings..
No more phony warrants..
No more Little Havana's..
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/elian000421_miami.html
No more OKC's.. http://www.constitution.org/okc/okc.htm
No more Waco's.. http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm
 Waco Pictorial Essay
No more Ruby Ridge's.. http://www.ruby-ridge.com/
 (the above can only happen
  if the DemoRats and RepubRats
  are thrown out of office.)

BUCHANAN-Reform
http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: [CTRL] [BRIGADE] The GOP: Clinton's Bag Boys


> WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies!
> A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America!
> Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America!
> Don't waste your vote!  Vote for Patrick Buchanan!
>
> Dear Brigade,
>
> "As he often has in his turbulent presidency - on issues such as NAFTA
> and welfare reform - Clinton built his winning coalition on the backs of
the
> Republicans who love to loathe him"
>
> With PNTR Clinton has succeeded in ringing the final GOP death knell.
> The presidential race is now between Gore and Buchanan.
>
> I thank God Pat is not a Republican!
>
> GO PAT GO!!
> Linda
> --
>
> The different Democrat does it again,
> aided by those who impeached him
>
> by Michael Tackett 5/25/00 -  Chicago Tribune
>
> WASHINGTON - The lawmakers who helped President Clinton pass the
> China trade bill were the same ones who have rhetorically scalded him
> on the House floor, investigated him with subpoenas and cast votes to
> remove him from office.
>
> His opposition came from House leaders of his own party.
>
> As he often has in his turbulent presidency - on issues such as NAFTA
> and welfare reform - Clinton built his winning coalition on the backs of
the
> Republicans who love to loathe him.
>
> "This is unprecedented," said Marshall Wittman, a congressional analyst
> at the Heritage Foundation. "In previous administrations, the examples
> are non-existent where a president relied primarily on the other party to
> pass a major legislative item."
>
> The president who came to Washington vowing to be a different kind of
> Democrat has changed his stripes in ways not even he could have
> envisioned.
>
> To be sure, his dexterity was borne of necessity after Democrats lost
> their congressional majority in 1994. But with Clinton, results are often
> not a matter of ideology or principle.
>
> They are a matter of simply getting to "yes."
>
> He will leave many marks on the American presidency; a clear one will
> be an ability to build unusual coalitions to achieve his priorities. If
> history
> judges him in part for his success in broadening the U.S. role in world
> trade, he will have his fiercest opponents to thank.
>
> "Political agility, he's got a lot of that, probably more than any
president
> since Franklin Roosevelt," said Bert Rockman, a professor of political
> science at the University of Pittsburgh and co-author of the recently
> published "Clinton Legacy."
>
> A unique ability
>
> Lyndon Johnson, whose skills were honed as Senate majority leader,
> was known for his masterly horse-trading. But he dealt mostly with
> factions within his own party or disparate regional interests. And his own
> party ruled Congress.
>
> Ronald Reagan and many other presidents have had to reach across the
> aisle on specific issues. George Bush relied on Democrats to pass his ill-
> fated budget plan that included tax increases, which permanently
> wounded him in his own party.
>
> But Clinton has somehow been able to give his own party a black eye
> one day, only to extend his hand in friendship the next.
>
> Most of the same members of organized labor who led the public fight
> against the China trade deal, and House Democratic leader Dick
> Gep.hardt, who led the battle from within, will remain Clinton's friends
in
> the fall campaign.
>
> Clinton, in fact, will work to ensure organized labor turns out in huge
> numbers to try to return Democrats to the majority in the House, and to
> install Gephardt as speaker and Vice President Al Gore as president.
>
> "The larger part of his agenda is consistent with groups that oppose him
> on this issue," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. "He has been good to the
> labor movement and working families, though they may disagree with
> him on this."
>
> "It also reflects what Clinton has meant to the Democratic Party," Durbin
> said. "Eight years ago, (the party) was branded as fiscally irresponsible,
> weak on crime and ins

[CTRL] Haider/Gaddafi Meeting


Sunday 28 May 2000

  Haider meets Libyan leader for secret talks
by Michael Leidig in Vienna and Tony Paterson in Berlin

  JORG HAIDER, Austria's far-Right leader, has been called on to explain a
secret meeting this month with Libya's Col Gaddafi amid growing speculation
over clandestine financial links between the Austrian Freedom Party and
Tripoli.

Mr Haider admitted last week that he made what he described as a "private
visit" to Libya on May 9 after he was seen emerging from the Libyan leader's
tent by an American journalist waiting for an interview. Mr Haider was
accompanied by a leading Austrian banker.

While the Freedom Party insists that there was nothing untoward about the
meeting, opposition politicians in Austria have voiced concern. Doris Bures,
the manager of the Austrian Social Democrat Party, said: "This meeting was
extremely dubious and demands an immediate explanation."

Concern about Mr Haider's links with Libya has since been fuelled by remarks
given in an interview by Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi to the Austrian
magazine, News, in which he pledged to give political support to the Freedom
Party during the next Austrian elections.

Gaddafi's son told the magazine: "At the next election he [Haider] has his
best chance of becoming chancellor and I will do all I possibly can to
support him." Asked if he would provide financial support, he said: "I will
start a campaign for him."

Wolfgang Kulterer, the chairman of Austria's Hypo Bank, last week admitted
accompanying Mr Haider to Tripoli. The presence of a leading banker on an
allegedly private visit caused alarm among opposition politicians in Austria.
The Social Democrat politician Melitta Trunk, said: "You do not need a bank
director to make a private visit to Libya."

Austria's Social Democrats have demanded a parliamentary inquiry into the
affair. Their calls have been given added weight after disclosures last week
of longstanding links between the Freedom Party and Libya. They said Mr
Haider's "various statements" on the subject of his visits to Libya on May 9
and on at least two other previous occasions were "at the least dubious".

Mrs Trunk said Mr Haider had been highly evasive over his trip. She said:
"First he was not there, then he was there to see Gaddafi's son, then for
business reasons, and finally a private visit."

She pointed out that Mr Kulterer admitted accompanying Mr Haider a day after
the politician had insisted: "It would have been great if a banker had come
along, at least it would have meant the trip was financed." She said Mr
Haider needed to explain why he had accepted the use of the private Lear jet
of Robert Rogner, a Carinthian businessman, to travel in.

The Freedom Party's "Libyan connection" appears to have been established in
1988, the year in which the party scored its first success in an Austrian
general election. The party's then financial manager, Harald Göschl, was
exposed for maintaining links with both Libya and the Palestine Liberation
Organisation. He was widely rumoured to have been involved in supplying
weapons to the Libyan leader.

Although Mr Göschl denied charges that he had helped Gaddafi to set up a
missile defence system - four years after the 1985 American air strike on
Libya - he admitted in an interview that he was prepared to supply everything
"that helps Libya to strengthen its armed forces". But Mr Göschl denied
charges that he had used Libyan cash to fund the Austrian Freedom Party.

Mr Haider has also maintained close links with Libya. He befriended Saif
al-Islam Gaddafi three years ago, when the Libyan leader's son began a
postgraduate economics course at the private "Imadec" university in Vienna.
Last year Mr Haider appeared in public with Gaddafi junior. Since then Mr
Haider has been televised during his meetings with Saif al-Islam in Austria
on numerous occasions.

However, Gaddafi junior failed to make any significant political impact in
Austria until last week when he pledged to offer support to Mr Haider's
cause. In his interview with News he said: "Jörg Haider is a very good friend
of mine, my father's and of our country."

Although the Freedom Party has declined to provide a full explanation as to
what occurred during Mr Haider's visit, the Austrian foreign ministry said
that there was nothing unusual about the trip. A spokesman said: "Austria
maintains diplomatic relations with Libya. Therefore Haider's visit was not
unusual."

The Austrian Green Party condemned the visit outright. The MP Peter Pilz
said: "Whoever courts dictators like Gaddafi is sending completely the wrong
signal."

Gaddafi's son said last week that the visit was merely concerned with
attempts to supply Austrian timber to Libya. Saif al-Islam said: "The Libyan
government would like to get into the timber trade with Carinthia."

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[CTRL] Churchill And "Hitler's Pope"


Sunday 28 May 2000

  How Churchill plotted to win the support of 'Hitler's Pope'
By Chris Hastings

  WINSTON CHURCHILL asked Britain's most prestigious Roman Catholic family to
lobby the Vatican during the Second World War in a bid to persuade it to
abandon its support for Adolf Hitler.
Previously undiscovered documents found by The Telegraph show that ministers
asked Lord Fitzalan, the uncle of the then Duke of Norfolk, to urge the Pope
to denounce the Nazis and support the Allied cause. The 1940 papers reveal
the frustration of the British government in the face of the Pope's refusal
to attack the fascist powers of Germany, Italy and Japan.

The discovery of the letters in the Public Records Office, south-west London,
will embarrass the Vatican, which is currently seeking to canonise Pope Pius
XII, who has been dubbed "Hitler's Pope" because of his failure to speak out
against Nazism. They also undermine the arguments of papal apologists who
claim that the Allies understood the reasons for the Pope's silence because
they appreciated he was in an impossible position.

One letter to Lord Fitzalan from Lord Halifax, the former Foreign Secretary,
contrasts the valuable contribution made by British Catholics to the war
effort with the Pope's continued silence on the issue. Lord Halifax warned
Lord Fitzalan that the Pope's policy of appeasement was leaving Catholics
outside Britain with the impression that a Europe dominated by Hitler was the
Pope's preferred outcome to the war.

He wrote: "If the Catholics of, say, Belgium, Holland and France could be
persuaded that somehow Nazism was reconcilable with their religious faith and
moral outlook, then a potentially powerful centre of resistance to Nazi plans
of domination would be removed."

Lord Halifax asked Lord Fitzalan to secure a papal denunciation of Hitler or,
failing that, a statement in praise of the Allies from another influential
Catholic body. He wrote: "It would be presumptuous in me to suggest His
Holiness should make further pronouncements or when he should do so . . .
However, Catholics everywhere need to be strengthened by authority in their
resistance to Nazi blandishments, and have their conviction of the necessity
of an Allied victory renewed or reinforced." Significantly, Lord Halifax
mentioned that he had chosen not to write to Vatican diplomatic
representatives.

The Telegraph has discovered copies of diplomatic telegrams in which the
Foreign Office, through its papal envoy, Francis D'Arcy Goldolphin Osbourne,
attacked a number of Vatican initiatives, such as the decision to ban any
mention of Germany from official radio broadcasts.

One FO note stated: "Whatever pressure may have been exercised on the
Vatican, His Majesty's Government cannot but regard the decision reached as
deplorable and one which is not consistent with the best interests of the
Vatican itself. What in the day of triumph for justice and fair-dealing will
be the feeling of Catholics the world over towards the church if it can be
said of it that after at first standing against Nazi paganism it eventually
agreed by its silence to assist in discrediting the principles upon which it
is founded?" Thousands of Catholics, including members of the clergy, were
tortured and murdered by the Nazis because of their direct opposition to
Hitler's regime.

Owen Chadwick, whose book Great Britain and the Vatican During the Second
World War remains a definitive work, said: "This is an interesting and
significant find. The letter to Lord Fitzalan is particularly valuable
because it proves that there was genuine concern about the Vatican's stance.
Some apologists for the Pope have tried to claim that the Allies hyped up
their concern in diplomatic communications because they knew Nazi spies were
reading their mail."

The current Duke of Norfolk, a prominent Catholic who is a second cousin to
Lord Fitzalan, said: "I am personally unaware of the approach to Lord
Fitzalan. You have to remember I was in the Forces at the time and would have
been busy with other things. It is not something I would like to comment on
while the debate about Pius XII is still at a very sensitive stage. The
extermination of the Jews was horrible and savage but there are those that
argue that Pius was in an impossible position."

Lord Fitzalan, a former Conservative MP and Viceroy of Ireland, died in 1947.

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[CTRL] TOP FLUORIDE EXPERT APOLOGIZES FOR PUSHING POISON

2000-05-28 Thread Bill Kingsbury

  Forwarded message 
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 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000
 Subject:  [CTRL] A LONG OVERDUE FLOURIDE APOLOGY

 BULLETIN # 18   Dec. 6, 1999

 DR. HARDY LIMEBACK'S APOLOGY

 Dear All,

 Jeff green forwarded us this article, and says:  We had
 pre-arranged with Barry Forbes to obtain his permission
 to reproduce this column throughout the world.  We hope
 that if you find his writing style and the specific text
 of this column as persuasive as we have, that you will
 consider having this article reproduced as a guest
 column in your favorite (or previously ungrateful) media
 outlet.  Thank you Barry, and thank you Hardy.

 We also urge you to send a copy to your local dentist,
 doctor, decisionmaker and any one else you can think of.
 Let's get this message around the world.

 Paul Connett.

 Prominent researcher apologizes for pushing fluoride

 by Barry Forbes
 The Tribune, Mesa, AZ
 Sunday, December 5, 1999
 Reproduced With Permission

 "Why'd you do it, Doc?  Why'd you toss the fluoride
 folks overboard?"

 I had just tracked down Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D
 in Biochemistry, D.D.S., head of the Department of
 Preventive Dentistry for the University of Toronto, and
 president of the Canadian Association for Dental
 Research.  (Whew.)

 Dr. Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority and,
 until recently, the country's primary promoter of the
 controversial additive.

 In a surprising newsmaker interview this past April,
 Dr. Limeback announced a dramatic change of heart.
 "Children under three should never use fluoridated
 toothpaste," he counseled.  "Or drink fluoridated water.
 And baby formula must never be made up using Toronto
 tap water. Never."

 Why, I wondered?  What could have caused such a powerful
 paradigm shift?

 "It's been building up for a couple of years," Limeback
 told me during a recent telephone interview.  "But
 certainly the crowning blow was the realization that we
 have been dumping contaminated fluoride into water
 reservoirs for half a century.  The vast majority of
 all fluoride additives come from Tampa Bay, Florida
 smokestack scrubbers.  The additives are a toxic
 byproduct of the super-phosphate fertilizer industry."

 "Tragically," he continued, "that means we're not just
 dumping toxic fluoride into our drinking water.  We're
 also exposing innocent, unsuspecting people to deadly
 elements of lead, arsenic and radium, all of them
 carcinogenic.  Because of the cumulative properties of
 toxins, the detrimental effects on human health are
 catastrophic."

 A recent study at the University of Toronto confirmed
 Dr. Limeback's worst fears.  "Residents of cities that
 fluoridate have double the fluoride in their hip bones
 vis-a-vis the balance of the population.  Worse, we
 discovered that fluoride is actually altering the basic
 architecture of human bones."

 Skeletal fluorosis is a debilitating condition that
 occurs when fluoride accumulates in bones, making them
 extremely weak and brittle.  The earliest symptoms?

 "Mottled and brittle teeth," Dr. Limeback told me.
 "In Canada we are now spending more money treating
 dental fluorosis than we do treating cavities.  That
 includes my own practice."

 One of the most obvious living experiments today,
 Dr. Limeback believes, is a proof-positive comparison
 between any two Canadian cities.  "Here in Toronto we've
 been fluoridating for 36 years.  Yet Vancouver - which
 has never fluoridated - has a cavity rate lower than
 Toronto's."  And, he pointed out, cavity rates are low
 all across the industrialized world including Europe,
 which is 98% fluoride free.  Low because of improved
 standards of living, less refined sugar, regular dental
 checkups, flossing and frequent brushing.  Now less than
 2 cavities per child Canada-wide, he said.  "I don't get
 it, Doc.  Last month, the Centers for Disease Control
 (CDC) ran a puff piece all across America saying the
 stuff was better than sliced bread.  What's the story?"

 "Unfortunately," he replied, "the CDC is basing its
 position on data that is 50 years old, and questionable
 at best.  Absolutely no one has done research on
 fluorosilicates, which is the junk they're dumping into
 the drinking water."

 "On the other hand," he added, "the evidence against
 systemic fluoride in-take continues to pour in."

 "But Doc, the dentists."

 "I have absolutely no training in toxicity," he stated
 firmly.  "Your well-intentioned dentist is simply
 following 50 years of misinformation from public health
 and the dental association.  Me, too.  Unfortunately,
 we were wrong."

 Last week, Dr. Hardy Limeback addressed his faculty and
 students at the University of Toronto, Department of
 Dentistry.  In a poignant, memorable meeting, he
 apologized to those gathered before him.

 "Speaking as the head of preventive dentistry, I told
 them that I had unintentionally mislead my colleagues
 and my students.  For the past 15 y

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Re: [CTRL] Would the real idiot please stand up?

2000-05-28 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

On Sat, 27 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:

> Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> >
> > > yair davidi wrote:
> >
> > > > you are the idiot not they.
> >
> > J2 replied cogently:
> >
> > > It may be. Or it might be. Perhaps it could be.
> >
> > and...
> >
> > > OTHERWISE YOU FRAUD.
> >
> > and...
> >
> > > This isn't about racial purity.
> >
> > and...
> >
> > > ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
> > > what sticks is your theory.
> >
> > Carry on J2. And hey, how do I buy stock in your bagel hole marketing
> > scheme?
> > FWP.
> > (LEZ)
>
> Poley. You have taken my clear and cogent reply to this con man Davidy
> and turned it into chopped liver.

You didn't say, "Thank you".

> What the hell kind of quoting technique is this? Is this how your mind works?
>
> No stocks for you until you clean up your act.
>
> Joshua2
>
> PS: How did you like this one...
> > >" ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
> > > what sticks is your theory."
>Good one eh? I made it up myself.

Excellent. Must be those superior "jew genes".
FWP
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[CTRL] All Gave Some.... Some Gave All!

ALL GAVE SOME...
SOME GAVE ALL!
The location of the first observance of Memorial
Day is in dispute.
Some claim the custom of honoring war dead began
in Boalsburg, Pennsylvania.
Others claim the custom was originated by some
Southern women who placed flowers on the graves of both Union and Confederate
soldiers after the Civil War.
According to one writer, the first Memorial Day
service took place on May 30, 1866, on Belle Isle, a burial ground for Union
soldiers in the St. James River, at Richmond, Virginia.
The school superintendent and the mayor planned
the program of hymns and speeches and had the burial ground decorated with
flowers.
In 1966, however, the U.S. government proclaimed
that Waterloo, New York, was the birthplace of Memorial Day.
On May 5, 1865, the people of Waterloo had
honored soldiers who had died in the Civil War.

This site salutes ALL veterans...no matter their race, sex, color or
creed...and recognizes ALL such contributions to America's freedoms... http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1465/memorial.html
Folks, Let us not forget, also, those who gave
their all in our War of Independence.
My Heart goes out to those who continue to deny
their Heritage of Freedom,
and persist in the belief that their Greed and
Pride of purpose in Life
will sustain their false happiness.
With your help we can do it again come
November.
I am sincerely grateful that I have the
opportunity
to share with you the following
Poem.
Bard
'Visitor from the Past' By THELEN
PALK
I had a dream the other
night,
I didn't understand.

A figure walking through the
mist
with flintlock in his hand.
His clothes were torn and
dirty,
as he stood there by my bed.
He look off his three-cornered hat
and speaking low, he said:

We fought a
revolution,
to secure our Liberty.
We wrote the
Constitution,
as a shield from tyranny.

For future
generations,
this legacy we gave.
In this, the land of the free

and home of the brave.
The freedom we secured
for
you,
we hoped you'd always keep.
But tyrants labored
endlessly
while your parents were asleep.
Your freedom gone, your courage
lost,
you're no more than a slave.
In this, the land of the free

and home of the brave.
You buy permits to travel,
and permits to own a gun,
permits to start a
business,
or to build a place for one.
On land that you believe you own,

you pay a yearly rent.

Although you have no voice in choosing,

how the money's spent.
Your children must
attend a
school
that doesn't educate.
Your Christian values can't be
taught,
according to the state.

You read about the current
news
in a regulated press.
You pay a tax you do not
owe,
to please the I.R.S.
Your money is no longer made of Silver
or of Gold.

You trade your wealth for paper,
so your life can be controlled.

You pay for crimes that make our Nation,
turn from God in shame.
You've taken Satan's number,

as you've traded in your name.
You've given government control,
to those who do you harm,
so they can padlock churches,
and steal the family farm,
and keep our country
deep in
debt,

[CTRL] The Media and Their Atrocities by Michael Parenti

2000-05-28 Thread Bob Stokes


From:  http://www.swans.com/

This recent article truly lays out the non-stop lies
repeated without question in the media about genocide and
cleansing in Yugoslavia.  BTW, now that spring is here, why
haven't we heard anything else about finding all those mass
graves??? ~ VR




May 22, 2000



Trade liberty for safety or money and you'll end up with neither. Liberty,
like a grain of salt, easily dissolves.
The power of questioning -- not simply believing -- has no friends. Yet
liberty depends on it.




Note from the Editor:  The Peter Weiz Price, an award funded by the German
Marshall Fund, was won this year by Steven Erlanger of The New York Times.
According to The Times, the prize, worth $10,000, "rewards excellence and
originality in reporting and analyzing European and transatlantic affairs."
Excellence and originality in reporting? What was excellent about the lies
and disinformation passed on to the US public but the lies and the
disinformation? And what originality did this reporter, this Bureau Chief,
demonstrate in the war zones of Serbia and Kosovo? Didn't he simply
regurgitate whatever propaganda his NATO masters provided him on a daily
basis? Read our lead article, written by Michael Parenti. Then you'll
understand that when journalists serve the interests of their masters they
get a recompense. It's a win-win situation. It's a self-serving system doing
the rounds. Meantime the truth has gone AWOL.





The Media and Their Atrocities
by Michael Parenti







"Believe nothing,
no matter where you read it,
or who said it, no matter if
I have said it, unless it agrees
with your own reason and
your common sense."
-- Buddha



For the better part of a decade the U.S. public has been bombarded with a
media campaign to demonize the Serbian people and their elected leaders.
During that time, the U.S. government has pursued a goal of breaking up
Yugoslavia into a cluster of small, weak, dependent, free-market
principalities. Yugoslavia was the only country in Eastern Europe that would
not dismantle its welfare state and public sector economy. It was the only
one that did not beg for entry into NATO. It was--and what's left of it,
still is--charting an independent course not in keeping with the New World
Order.

Targeting the Serbs

Of the various Yugoslav peoples, the Serbs were targeted for demonization
because they were the largest nationality and the one most opposed to the
breakup of Yugoslavia. But what of the atrocities they committed? All sides
committed atrocities in the fighting that has been encouraged by the western
powers over the last decade, but the reporting has been consistently
one-sided. Grisly incidents of Croat and Muslim atrocities against the Serbs
rarely made it into the U.S. press, and when they did they were accorded only
passing mention. 1 Meanwhile Serb atrocities were played up and sometimes
even fabricated, as we shall see. Recently, three Croatian generals were
indicted by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal for the bombardment and deaths of
Serbs in Krajina and elsewhere. Where were the U.S. television crews when
these war crimes were being committed? John Ranz, chair of Survivors of the
Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA, asks: Where were the TV cameras when
hundreds of Serbs were slaughtered by Muslims near Srebrenica? 2 The official
line, faithfully parroted in the U.S. media, is that Bosnian Serb forces
committed all the atrocities at Srebrenica.

Are we to trust U.S. leaders and the corporate-owned news media when they
dish out atrocity stories? Recall the five hundred premature babies whom
Iraqi soldiers laughingly ripped from incubators in Kuwait? A story repeated
and believed until exposed as a total fabrication years later. During the
Bosnian war in 1993, the Serbs were accused of pursuing an official policy of
rape. "Go forth and rape" a Bosnian Serb commander supposedly publicly
instructed his troops. The source of that story never could be traced. The
commander's name was never produced. As far as we know, no such utterance was
ever made. Even the New York Times belatedly ran a tiny retraction, coyly
allowing that "the existence of 'a systematic rape policy' by the Serbs
remains to be proved." 3

Bosnian Serb forces supposedly raped anywhere from 25,000 to 100,000 Muslim
women, the stories varied. The Bosnian Serb army numbered not more than
30,000 or so, many of whom were engaged in desperate military engagements. A
representative from Helsinki Watch noted that stories of massive Serbian
rapes originated with the Bosnian Muslim and Croatian governments and had no
credible supporting evidence. Common sense would dictate that these stories
be treated with the utmost skepticism--and not be used as an excuse for an
aggressive and punitive policy against Yugoslavia.

The "mass rape" propaganda theme was resuscitated in 1999 to justify the
continued NATO slaughter of Yugoslavia. A headline in the San Francisco
Examiner (April 26, 1999) tells us: "SERB TACTIC IS ORGANI

Re: [CTRL] Posting limits and comments thereon

2000-05-28 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


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> I see and concede your point, Nessie, but this has been going on for
> days now, and it's one of those problems which has a simple solution:
> the DELETE key.

The delete key is NOT the solution if there is a 100-post per day list
limit, and one person gets to send 20 percent or more of the daily posts.
It's not fair to the rest of us if that person's excessive posts end up
shutting down the list for the rest of us.


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Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?

2000-05-28 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


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> >>   Um... I think some of them are flown by extra-dimensional or
> >> extra-terrestrial life, yes.  There is evidence for it.
> >
> >What 'evidence'?
>
> The best evidence I have ever seen for the existence of non-human life
> is the agenda of denial currently being deployed on this list.
> people should be taking notes -

No denial going on here.  Just a request for the 'evidence' that is
claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead
to personal attack.


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[CTRL] Here's what's happening on the Right: The GOP: Clinton's Bag Boys


5/28/00

The myth of American democracy is crumbling as never before. This is a good
thing. Maybe something positive will come of it.

The conservative Right, those " Patriots " who brought us Viet Nam and other
Imperialist adventures, have finally dropped the scales from their eyes.

This leaves only the so called " moderates " consisting of Liberals and
moderate conservatives supporting the status quo. The likes of Bill Clinton,
Al Gore, and Europe's " Third Way-ers." A status quo which if left
to it's own devices, unobstructed, will almost certainly destroy the quality
of life for almost all the earth's current and near future inhabitants.

But hey, that's ok. As long as Liberals and moderates are comfortable and
making a few bucks within the very economic system killing millions in other
parts of the world... what the hell. Just don't say nigger, kike, spic, or
wog in front of them because they are really very moral people who would be
outraged by such a demonstration of indecency. It requires so little of them
to keep that false image.

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> A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America!
> Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America!
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>
> Dear Brigade,
>
> "As he often has in his turbulent presidency - on issues such as NAFTA
> and welfare reform - Clinton built his winning coalition on the backs of the
> Republicans who love to loathe him"
>
> With PNTR Clinton has succeeded in ringing the final GOP death knell.
> The presidential race is now between Gore and Buchanan.
>
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>
> GO PAT GO!!
> Linda
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>
> The different Democrat does it again,
> aided by those who impeached him
>
> by Michael Tackett 5/25/00 -  Chicago Tribune
>
> WASHINGTON - The lawmakers who helped President Clinton pass the
> China trade bill were the same ones who have rhetorically scalded him
> on the House floor, investigated him with subpoenas and cast votes to
> remove him from office.
>
> His opposition came from House leaders of his own party.

Because there are Congress people who simply owe their positions to unions
or isolationist constituencies. They simply had to vote against China, or
lose reelection. No one in this position is punished. Survival is the name
of the game.

>
> As he often has in his turbulent presidency - on issues such as NAFTA
> and welfare reform - Clinton built his winning coalition on the backs of the
> Republicans who love to loathe him.
>
> "This is unprecedented," said Marshall Wittman, a congressional analyst
> at the Heritage Foundation. "In previous administrations, the examples
> are non-existent where a president relied primarily on the other party to
> pass a major legislative item."

This is a lie. All major pieces of legislation and foreign policy since the
turn of the LAST century ( 1900 ) has required members of both parties ( working
for their Rich and corporate sponsors,) to pass.

>
> The president who came to Washington vowing to be a different kind of
> Democrat has changed his stripes in ways not even he could have
> envisioned.
>
> To be sure, his dexterity was borne of necessity after Democrats lost
> their congressional majority in 1994. But with Clinton, results are often
> not a matter of ideology or principle.
>
> They are a matter of simply getting to "yes."
>
> He will leave many marks on the American presidency; a clear one will
> be an ability to build unusual coalitions to achieve his priorities. If
> history
> judges him in part for his success in broadening the U.S. role in world
> trade, he will have his fiercest opponents to thank.

Wrong again. It was not Clinton who put together these seemingly unusual
coalitions, but more a case of politicians understanding their obligations
to the people who paid for their campaigns.

This is after all... THEIR JOB.

> "Political agility, he's got a lot of that, probably more than any president
> since Franklin Roosevelt," said Bert Rockman, a professor of political
> science at the University of Pittsburgh and co-author of the recently
> published "Clinton Legacy."
>
> A unique ability
>
> Lyndon Johnson, whose skills were honed as Senate majority leader,
> was known for his masterly horse-trading. But he dealt mostly with
> factions within his own party or disparate regional interests. And his own
> party ruled Congress.
>
> Ronald Reagan and many other presidents have had to reach across the
> aisle on specific issues. George Bush relied on Democrats to pass his ill-
> fated budget plan that included tax increases, which permanently
> wounded him in his own party.
>
> But Clinton has somehow been able to give his own party a black eye
> one day, only to extend his hand in friendship the next.
>
> M

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence/Covert Mimic

"Samantha L." wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/27/00 8:48:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> > .And there does appear to be a huge black ET-UFO-Mimic
> >  operations by the covert USA government.
>
>   Yes.  That's been my theory.  I've never seen it mentioned before.
>
> >  Nessie, I believe you have it backwards.  The purpose of the black
> > operations is to attempt to mimic and hence mask authentic Universe
> presence
> > here.  The black operations are an attempt by a secret government to
> appropriate >the extraterrestrial presence, and hence extend its strangle
> hold over Earth's
> >  resources and population.
>
>   Exactly.  It makes intuitive sense and also provides an explanation for
> facts

There are no FACTS. Thereare only stories and speculations. I suggest you
learn the difference.

> that don't seem to fit anywhere else.  Do you know where one might read
> more about this?  Is "Exopolitics" a book?
>
>   Sharing of theories, insights and references is very valuable.  You just
> affirmed a theory I've had for a long time.  This is precisely why, I
> believe, this topic is so quickly ridiculed on this list.  It is very
> important for some factions to ensure that conversations like these do not
> take place.
>
> Samantha

Don't be silly. It's NOT very important at all. It's hardly relevant to
to daily life. If a UFO piloted by an ET lands in my front yard, it would
become relevant. Otherwise it's just mental masturbation or mumbo-jumbo. I
don't really care what stupid shit you believe but don't claim it as FACT
unless you can prove it a fact. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking.

No one said that these conversations shouldn't take place. But once they
take place, don't expect your pet theories to honored without examination.
Because this a conspiracy theory list, we are more open than most to the
possibilities that things are going on which are kept from us. This could
easily spill into absurdity and paranoia and often does.

The valuable thing is that there is a strong sense of skepticism among
listers. When that skepticism is pointed at your pet theories, you'd better
come up with the right stuff or if you can't, stop claiming that your theory
is a fact.

It's ok to say they are speculations and theories.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Yes, from what I remember in "Above Top Secret", they just repeat these 19th
>>century stories, they do not 'document' them by doing research and gain any
>>corraborating evidence.
>
>   As I recall, it named the papers, dates and authors as well as the
> accounts.  If witness accounts are not meaningful to you, so be it.  Good has
> the newspaper accounts.  I'm not quite sure how he would corroborate the
> stories with DEAD PEOPLE.

By research.  All the book does is recount old news articles, most of which it
got from other UFO books, and does not list direct reference.  IOW, it does
NOT give the page numbers the articles are found on, because the writer never
read the article directly in the paper, but depends on what other publications
have said about the articles.

And even then, all you have is an old newspaper article about what certain
people CLAIM to have seen.  This is no 'proof' of anything, except that some
people claim to have seen something strange.  We have no way of 'proving'
whether the article is a hoax of the newspaper (not unknown back in those days),
a hoax of the supposed witnesses, and if the witnesses ARE reliable, we have no
way of knowing whether someone was playing a hoax on them...

I can show you a newspaper article from a reliable newspaper back in 1892, that
names witnesses and gives their addresses, who all claimed to have witnessed
Lizzie Borden arguing with her father shortly before the infamous ax murders;
some witnesses even claimed to have seen one of the murders committed in an
upstairs room while the witness was on the street below.

As it turned out, not only would it have been impossible to have seen anything
from that angle (perhaps the ceiling), within a few days it was found that the
reporter had made up all the names and addresses, that none of the supposed
witnesses even existed.

So just because we today can lay our hands on a Victorian-era newspaper article,
there is not one reason why what is stated in the article should be taken at
face value without other corraborating evidence.


> >It is, perhaps, 'documentation' of what a number of eye-witnesses claim to
> >have seen.  It tells us nothing regarding the real nature of what was seen.
> >Eye-witness testimony is highly subjective, colored by the intellect and
> >emotions of the observer.
>
>   Standard assertion.

Standard TRUTH.  Ask any policeman who has to deal with eyewitness testimony
to a crime.  It's actually pretty unreliable, and gets more unreliable the
more emotional the event.


> Thousands of people have been simulatenous witnesses
> to unidentified flying objects.

'Simultaneous' means that they all saw it at the same time, during the same
event.  Tell us more about this ONE event where 'thousands' at that one time
saw the same thing...


>   I hope you don't believe anything you've ever read about history, since it
> all comes ultimately from witness accounts which are apparently "highly
> subjective, colored by the intellect and emotions of the observer."

But also subject to research, comparing multiple accounts of the same events.

Actually I DON'T believe everything I read regarding history.  History is
written by the victors, and so, yes, tends to be highly subjective, colored
by not only the intellect and emotions of the writer, but his prejudices, too...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Posting limits and comments thereon

In a message dated 5/28/00 11:12:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>The delete key is NOT the solution if there is a 100-post per day list
>limit, and one person gets to send 20 percent or more of the daily posts.
>It's not fair to the rest of us if that person's excessive posts end up
>shutting down the list for the rest of us.
>
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>June
 June, I generally lift the limit when we hit it, maybe not as fast as some
would like, but  when I see it, I lift it.

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[CTRL] Interview with Vandana Shiva


Stolen Harvest:
 Corporate Watch Interview with Vandana
 Shiva

 March 17, 2000


Internationally renowned
environmentalist and feminist Vandana
Shiva is Director of the Research
Foundation for Science, Technology and
Natural Resource Policy in Delhi. She
is a board member of the International
Forum on Globalization and the Third
World Network. Before becoming an
activist, Shiva was one of India's
leading physicists. She is author of 13
books. Her most recent is Stolen
Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global
Food Supply (South End Press) Corporate
Watch began by asking Shiva what she
means by "Stolen Harvest:"




 VS: Stolen Harvest is the story of how those who labor,
 those who grow foods, nature and her amazing creatures,
 are all literally being stolen by tremendously clever
 mechanisms being put in place by global corporations
 trying to find new markets. Mechanisms like genetic
 engineering which are converting the growing of food from
 being a peasant, farmer, and women driven activity, to a
 lab driven, corporate driven activity.

 Patents on seed have never existed before. Farmers will
 be treated as criminals for saving seed. That is a
 brilliant, new theft of biodiversity that nature has
 given and farmers have evolved. Global corporations are
 able to steal the harvest from the producers as well as
 from consumers and push larger numbers into hunger and
 poverty.

 CW: What has been the role of the WTO, along with
 corporations like Monsanto, Cargill and others, in
 stealing this harvest from both producers and consumers?

 VS: The Intellectual Property
 Rights clauses of the GATT -- now
 enshrined in the WTO --are
 precisely the place where the
 diversity of nature and the
 collective innovation of millions
 of farmers around the world are
 being defined as the intellectual
 property of corporations like
 Monsanto. As they have said
 repeatedly, 'If we control seed,
 we control the food chain'.
 Monsanto's spokesman went on
 record to say they drafted the
 TRIPS --the Trade Related
 Intellectual Property Rights
 Agreement- -and the clauses related to living resources.
 In drafting TRIPS they achieved something unprecedented
 in the history of international law.

 Similarly the agreement on agriculture-- which forces
 countries to start importing food and destroying local
 markets, to shift agriculture away from staple food crops
 to growing luxury crops at low prices for consumption in
 rich countries--was clearly inspired, crafted by Cargill
 and the US delegation. They wrote a very, very perverse
 agricultural agreement which was sold to the world as if
 it would remove subsidies. But the subsidies for
 corporations like Cargill have doubled in the US since
 the closure of the Uruguay round in the last 5 years.
 Rich countries are subsidizing agribusiness by up to $343
 billion a year. While in a country like India,
 agriculture is negatively subsidized up to minus 23
 million dollars a year. This is not about competition.
 This is about monopolies.

 CW: Can you talk about some of the movements,
 particularly in India, moving from the fringe to the
 center of the debate, maybe starting with your own group,
 Navdanya.

   VS: Navdanya, which means "Nine
   Seeds," was a movement that
   started in 1987 partly to
   anticipate genetic engineering and
   patent monopolies in agriculture.
   I felt that if we waited until all
   of this was in place, people would
   not be able to respond. So we
   acted ahead of time. We started
   setting up seed banks, we started
   shifting to organic agriculture
   and right now we have thousands of
 villages in which farmers have basically created what we
 call "Freedom Zones," those are agricultures that are
 free of chemicals, free of corporate inputs, free of
 hybrid seeds, free in the future of patents and
 genetically engineered crops.

 CW: How have you kept biotech agriculture out?

 VS: So far, Monsanto has not been successful in
 introducing genetically engineered seeds into the Indian
 market beca

[CTRL] Elites uber alles: Never, never, trust your elites.


GMN General News list

The following article appears in the latest
issue of Green Left Weekly (http://www.greenleft.org.au),
Australia's radical newspaper.

*

CHINA: Sino-US trade deal will cement capitalist restoration

BY EVA CHENG

Despite the Chinese Communist Party's push for the reintroduction
of capitalist relations of production in China, the triumph of
capitalism there is not yet certain. However, if US President
Bill Clinton's November deal with Beijing for the US to grant
permanent ``normal trade relations'' (NTR) for China wins the
approval of the two houses of parliament -- the Congress vote is
slated for this week (starting May 22) -- the floodgate would be
opened wide to a tide of mandatory changes that could decisively
roll back the central gains of the 1949 Chinese Revolution.

The imperialist powers' increasing ability to pressure China and
sway its course originated in a 1978 CCP decision to ``open
China's door'', essentially to foreign investment, which was
previously banned, as well as greater foreign trade.

Whatever Beijing's motives for this decision, its implementation
and the associated increasing privatisation have seriously
undermined China's planned economy.

What remains of the state sector has been so marginalised that
few people remain convinced that those entities which Beijing
still labelled as state firms actually form part of a coherent
planned sector geared to serve social needs.

That erosion of China's socialist economy will deepen if the NTR
deal is pushed through because under it Beijing would surrender
even more crucial controls of the economy, especially on foreign
trade and domestic distribution. The deal ensures that any gains
will go to US capital such that more economic decisions in China
will be dictated by private profits, essentially to the benefit
of US-controlled multinationals.

Horrific concessions

Even a quick scan of the key terms of the NTR makes horrifying
reading. These are, at present, concessions for US capital, but
once China joins the World Trade Organisation (WTO), which is
likely within months, the extension of similar concessions to the
other WTO members (135 at present) is almost guaranteed.

The agreement covers virtually all sectors. A crucial plank is
the ending of the state monopoly, mostly within three years, on
the importing, distributing and exporting of most goods --
industrial, agricultural and transport, even in the sensitive
areas of telecommunications, wholesale, maintenance and repair.

In agriculture, the average tariffs for US priority produce
(including pork, beef and poultry) will be slashed from 31.5% to
14.5% by January 2004 or earlier. As well, the imports of bulk
commodities of strategic importance (such as wheat, corn, rice,
barley, soybean oil and cotton) will be relaxed, and all export
subsidies will be banned.

In industrial products, the key tariff reductions include an
across the board average cut to 9.4% by 2005 (from 24.6% in
1997), a cut to 7.1% on US priority goods, a cut to zero on
computers, telecommunications equipment, semiconductors, computer
equipment and other high technology products, a cut to 25% by
2006 (from 80-100%) for cars, with most reductions loaded up
front, and cuts to 10% by 2006 for car parts, to 5% (from 12-18%)
for wood, to 7.5% (from 15-25%) for paper and to 0-6.5% for the
vast majority of chemicals.

J

In addition, all restrictions on the quantity of imports will be
eliminated progressively within five years (just two years for US
priority products, such as fiber optic cable).

For all major service categories, restrictions on foreign
ownership have been significantly relaxed (allowing full control
in some cases), to be implementation mostly within a few years.
The new privileges will be extended to all existing firms in this
sector.

For banks and insurance firms, in particular, imperialist
capital's long battle to secure the right to sell services to the
Chinese population (in hitherto sensitive areas such as local
currency transactions with Chinese firms and group, and health
and pension insurance products) is largely won.

The dramatic concessions in telecommunications, a hitherto highly
restricted area, will have significant social implications. For
example, China's key telecommunications corridor of Beijing,
Shanghai and Guangzhou, which captures 75% of all domestic
traffic, will open immediately in all telecommunications
services, including the internet. From a complete ban on foreign
ownership in any telecommunications establishments, a 49% stake
will be allowed across the board within a few years (with the cap
raised to 50% in value-added paging services within two years).

Wholly US-owned firms will also be allowed to run rental,
leasing, air courier, freight forwarding, storage and
warehousing, advertising, technical testing and analysis,
packaging services and hotels within three to four years.

The list goes on. Its sc

[CTRL] NADER: Analysis of the China Vote


The San Francisco Guardian  Monday, May 22, 2000

CHINA CRISIS: YES VOTE ON TRADE IS HORRIBLE FOR US, CHINA, AND THE WORLD

  by Ralph Nader

The China lobby is on the march =AD and posing serious problems to
citizens in the United States and China alike.

Big business is pulling out all the stops to encourage Congress to
grant China Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR, formerly known
as Permanent Most Favored Nation) status.

The many corporations that have endorsed PNTR are primarily interested
not in making goods in the United States for export but in investing
in China, where they can sell services to the Chinese and make
goods for the Chinese and U.S. markets.

Of course, U.S. companies are already moving to China in large
numbers. But the investor guarantees connected to a PNTR deal would
speed the migration =AD and the migration of well-paying factory
jobs.

It is true, as PNTR proponents argue, that much of this investment=
=AD especially by financial and service companies =AD will be to
serve the Chinese market. But it is equally true that these
investments will do almost nothing to create jobs in the United
States. New Citigroup branches in Shanghai, or Aetna's expanded
ability to insure businesses in China, will do very little to create
jobs in New York or Connecticut.

Much of the investment will shift jobs from the United States to
China, especially in the manufacture of goods like clothing, auto
parts, and consumer electronics. PNTR will exacerbate the trend of
U.S.

factories shutting down, moving to China, and then exporting their
goods back to the United States.

Why does this happen? The story is familiar. U.S. businesses, or
their contractors, can pay dramatically lower wages and get away
with far inferior working and environmental conditions in China
than they can in the United States.

How big are the savings? Here are some wage figures recently
published by the New York City-based National Labor Committee:

Workers making Kathie Lee handbags for Wal-Mart in China are earning
3=A2 an hour. Nike contract workers putting in 11 to 15 hours a
day are earning 20=A2 to 22=A2 an hour. Some women sewing Nike bags
are making as little as 8=A2 an hour. Workers making Huffy bikes,
Timberland shoes, Alpine car stereos, and RCA televisions are
earning as little as 22=A2 to 27=A2 an hour =AD well below a living
wage.

Before the PNTR vote, corporations should be asked to release their
plans for new factories in China so the public and Congress can
consider the PNTR issue with full knowledge of the consequences of
passage.

If the Chinese were to benefit from PNTR, the issue might be more
complicated. But it is not the case that further opening to the
United States and the West will bring prosperity and good times to
China.

The phase-out of price supports and protections for farmers will
throw 10 million peasants off the land, according to Chinese
government estimates. Competition from foreign businesses will
likely lead to a wave of state company layoffs, downsizing, and
bankruptcies, throwing millions more out of work and undermining
the social protections that many Chinese companies now provide to
their employees.

Passage of PNTR will also eliminate a crucial lever in the advancement
of democracy and human rights in China. Wei Jingsheng, one of
China's leading democracy activists, explains that the annual
congressional review of China's human rights record plays an
absolutely crucial role in restraining the Beijing government from
committing even more egregious human rights abuses.

Listening to Wei should put to rest the fallacious claims of PNTR
proponents that removing pressure on the Chinese government will
somehow improve its human rights practices.

Many of these basic facts are not in dispute.

If PNTR passes Congress, it will not be because of proponents'
substantive arguments. It will be because the Chamber of Commerce,
the National Association of Manufacturers, the Business Roundtable,
the insurance industry, the auto makers, and many other groups that
donated enough money, hired enough lobbyists, paid for enough
advertising, and =AD in combination with the Republican congressional
leadership and the Clinton White House =AD twisted enough arms and
cut enough deals.

If PNTR is defeated, as it should be, it will be because labor,
consumer, environmental, human rights, and other citizen groups
joined together to refuse to let the China lobby steamroll Congress.
The key vote in the House of Representatives may be as early as
May 25. To see how you can help stop PNTR, see www.tradewatch.org.

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
> We have no way of 'proving'

>whether the article is a hoax of the newspaper (not unknown back in those
>days),

And not just back then, either. Modern newspapers lie every day. They also
grossly distort events by reporting some and not others. Consider gun
violence. When a kid shoots somebody, it's front page news. If a cop
shoots somebody, it's lucky to make two column inches, way in the back
with the truss ads.  Consider how this distorts the perception of people
like the "Million" Mom March, which incidentally drew at most three
hundred thousand. I've been to a lot of demonstrations in my time. I've
been to demonstrations on that very spot. Hell, I've rioted on that very
spot. I also went to Woodstock. I know what a half a million people look
like. I've been in a half a million people. I've demonstrated with a half
million people. That was no million people. Not so says the newspapers.
Even the ones who admit it was less than a million people still call it
tie "Million" Mom March.

The newspapers told us Oswald shot Kennedy. The newspapers told us the
North Vietnamese shot first in Tonkin Gulf. The newspaper told us the
Spanish blew up the Maine.  The newspapers told us Pearl Harbor was a
surprise attack.

Newspapers are not a credible source. This does not mean that everything
you read in the newspaper is a lie. Far from it. But it does mean that
what you read in the newspapers needs to be corroborated by primary
sources, preferably forensic, preferably after a thorough check of the
lab's bona fides.

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Re: [CTRL] Would the real idiot please stand up?

Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
>
> On Sat, 27 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
>
> > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> > >
> > > > yair davidi wrote:
> > >
> > > > > you are the idiot not they.
> > >
> > > J2 replied cogently:
> > >
> > > > It may be. Or it might be. Perhaps it could be.
> > >
> > > and...
snip>
> > > > ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
> > > > what sticks is your theory.
> > >
> > > Carry on J2. And hey, how do I buy stock in your bagel hole marketing
> > > scheme?
> > > FWP.
> > > (LEZ)
> >
> > Poley. You have taken my clear and cogent reply to this con man Davidy
> > and turned it into chopped liver.
>
> You didn't say, "Thank you".

I don't like chopped liver.

> > What the hell kind of quoting technique is this? Is this how your mind works?
> >
> > No stocks for you until you clean up your act.
> >
> > Joshua2
> >
> > PS: How did you like this one...
> > > >" ... you are basically throwing shit up at the ceiling and
> > > > what sticks is your theory."
> >Good one eh? I made it up myself.
>
> Excellent. Must be those superior "jew genes".
> FWP
> (LEZ)

By superior, are you referring to Levi-Straus?

J2

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[CTRL] Liberal Legal Scholars Are Supporting The Right to Bear Arms

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>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:

From: Lloyd Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Liberal Legal Scholars Are Supporting The Right to Bear Arms
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:04 AM

http://www.linguafranca.com/0002/showdown.html

SHOWDOWN

Liberal Legal Scholars Are Supporting The Right to Bear Arms.
But Will Historians Shoot Them Down?

BY CHRIS MOONEY

As a self-described liberal Democrat and supporter of many gun-control measures, the 
University of Texas law professor Sanford Levinson has mixed feelings about having his 
academic work cited in Shotgun News and posted on Internet sites that link to the 
Montana militia. "I am in some very unattractive neighborhoods," he says of his Web 
presence. Levinson owes his popularity with the heavily armed to his 1989 Yale Law 
Journal article "The Embarrassing Second Amendment," which tentatively argued that the 
amendment guarantees a right to bear arms not just for state-militia members but also 
for individual citizens. Now endlessly cited by scholars and distributed by the 
National Rifle Association, Levinson's article makes him a slightly reluctant founder 
of what has come to be called the "Standard Model" of Second Amendment scholarship.

Much of Levinson's argument in "The Embarrassing Second Amendment" was aimed at his 
own ideological allies. Citing a vast gap in the scholarly literature--only the 
obsolete Third Amendment, banning the peacetime quartering of troops in private homes, 
had drawn fewer studies at the time of his writing--Levinson accused fellow liberal 
legal scholars of ignoring the Second Amendment for fear of what they might discover. 
As Levinson points out, legal scholars have paid attention to just about everything 
else: "Is 'lookism' covered by the Fourteenth Amendment? I don't think it's 
uninteresting, but there's a reason why elite academics are more inclined to write 
that kind of piece than a piece on whether the NRA might have something to be said for 
its position."

Would-be decipherers of the grammatically antique Second Amendment have long struggled 
to balance its two seesawing clauses. According to Levinson's "individual rights" 
interpretation, the amendment's preamble ("A well regulated Militia, being necessary 
to the security of a free State") does not constrain the interpretation of its 
subsequent language ("the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be 
infringed"). On Levinson's reading, the amendment primarily empowers individual 
American citizens to own guns for self-defense and, if necessary, to counter 
government tyranny by means of armed popular resistance. Other scholars and judges, 
however, have argued for a "collective rights" view that emphasizes the amendment's 
opening clause. According to this reasoning, gun ownership would be protected only in 
the context of a state militia, such as the National Guard.

The most recent Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment, in the 1939 case U.S. v. 
Miller, has been read by a number of federal courts as enshrining the 
collective-rights position and, by implication, opening the way to robust gun-control 
legislation. In the decade following the publication of Levinson's "The Embarrassing 
Second Amendment," however, legal scholars have turned en masse to the contrary 
individual-rights view, filling law reviews with what may be more than a hundred 
articles defending this position. Citing this growing literature in his introduction 
to a 1995 Tennessee Law Review symposium on the Second Amendment, the University of 
Tennessee law professor Glenn Harlan Reynolds cribbed from physics to pronounce the 
individual-rights reading the "Standard Model" for interpreting the amendment. The 
name stuck.

Today, the Standard Model appears to be on the verge of graduation from the law review 
to the courthouse. Citing Standard Model scholarship, a Texas judge recently made a 
decision that may force the first major Second Amendment precedent in the sixty years 
since Miller. This past April, just before the Columbine shootings brought gun control 
to the top of the nation's agenda, federal district court judge Sam R. Cummings 
delivered an unprecedented ruling in defense of the individual's right to bear arms. 
Now on appeal, U.S. v. Emerson will be heard this spring in New Orleans by the U.S. 
Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. If Cummings's Standard Model ruling is upheld 
there, the case stands an excellent chance of reaching the Supreme Court, where 
another individual-rights ruling could effectively shift the burden of proof in future 
gun-control debates. Countless existing laws could also be thrown into question.

Previously in LF

Tribal Lore: Did the U.S. Constitution originate with the Iroquois?

All the President's Men: A historians' petition takes on th

[CTRL] Cockburn On McCaffrey


McCaffrey's Wars
Alexander Cockburn
Release: Thursday, May 25, 2000

No sane person believes in the "War on Drugs" anymore. This implies, of
course, that our nation's affairs are being directed by madmen, but you knew
that anyway. Besides, there are signs that sanity may be seeping slowly
through the halls of Congress. Three times the Clinton-Gore administration
has tried to push through a billion-plus aid package for the Colombian
military and security forces. Twice Congress has rejected the White House
request. Reports from the Hill this week suggest that there's more than an
even chance the Senate may once again deliver a rebuff to White House drug
czar Barry McCaffrey.

McCaffrey, recently accused by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker of having been
involved in war crimes in 1991 at the end of the war in Iraq, has been the
most conspicuous advocate for deepening U.S. military involvement in
Colombia. In the general's comic-book scenario, the cocaine and opium that
undermine America is being cultivated by Colombian peasants under the
supervision of communist narco-traffickers, who use their drug profits to buy
guns to undermine Colombia's government. Send down money and advisers to the
Colombian security forces to wipe out the guerrillas, and the drug war will
be won.

No surprises here, since McCaffrey used to head the U.S. Southern Military
Command, which has a prodigious, institutional self-interest in the Drug War,
since it provides a nice, updated rationale for the old, old business of
counterinsurgency.

Objections to the comic-book scenario are that the Colombian military is run
by torturers either identical to or closely allied with the drug mafias; that
years of "drug interdiction" have never had the slightest impact on shipments
of cocaine and heroin to the United States; and that demands for $1.7 billion
in military aid would be followed by further demands, then, by requests for a
bigger commitment of military forces, and then, all of a sudden, and without
having noticed, we'd be right there in the middle of another quagmire.

Those with memories stretching back to the 1980s might note a certain
resemblance between the fight over Colombian aid and the fight about aid to
the Nicaraguan Contras and to the government of El Salvador. Back then, there
were similar protests about sending money to the butchers who murdered
Archbishop Romero as he preached in his cathedral in San Salvador, or to the
drug-running Contras. The U.S. Congress rebuffed Reagan's request for direct
military assistance to the Contras, thus, prompting the illegal supply line
supervised by Col. Oliver North. Meanwhile, the Reagan White House issued
glowing reports about amazing progress in imparting a profound respect for
human rights in the minds of Salvadoran officers best noted for the courage
with which they ordered the rape and murder of nuns and unarmed peasants.

The strategies are unchanged. McCaffrey has been strenuously wooing human
rights groups. Jose Miguel Vivanco, a Chilean-born, Harvard-educated lawyer
who heads Human Rights Watch Americas, has argued McCaffrey's $1.7-billion
aid package was bound to clear Congress, and that the most pragmatic course
is to try and install in the aid bill language conditioning release of the
money on good behavior by the Colombian military. Already, Human Rights Watch
is praising Colombian police and military for improved conduct.

Back in the 1980s, there were people just like Vivanco making the same
strenuous claims about newfound respect for human rights in the Salvadoran
forces. The claims mounted in lock step with reports of killings by death
squads and paramilitaries organized by the military to do the truly dirty
work while remaining unaccountable to the human rights groups. Year after
year, the U.S. press here mostly went along with the charade that these death
squads were somehow beyond the control of Salvadoran military or
intelligence.

The fact that Human Rights Watch should lend itself to the effort to push the
military aid package through Congress is bad enough. What makes it even worse
and even more stupid is the fact that the premise of Vivanco's "pragmatism"
is nonsense. The $1.7-billion package is not a done deal. Congress may
seriously amend it, and the Senate may yet sink it altogether.

The Senate has already cut the appropriation down to $1 billion, with serious
amendments by Sen. Paul Wellstone and by Sen. Patrick Leahy maybe sinking it
once again. The friendly reception being given Wellstone's amendment shows
which way the wind is blowing on the Hill, as regards the War on Drugs. The
Minnesota liberal is proposing to transfer $225 million in the package from
its present proclaimed purpose of financing an attack by the Colombian
military on guerrilla strongholds in southern Colombia. Instead, the $225
million would go into drug-treatment programs here in the United States. Sen.
Arlen Specter is expected to offer a more drastic version of the same idea.

Wells

Re: [CTRL] Lockerbie prosecution witness undermines prosecution case

The Pan Am -103 trial against the Libyans IS A HUGH HOAX AND COVER-UP.

WHY?

Because the USA and the Brits are covering for Iran and Syria who cooperated
with them in the Gulf War by staying out of it and thus preventing a Pan Arab
coalition from defending Iraq. And, protecting the PLO who's splinter group,
the The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine- General Command planned
and carried out the killing.

The bombing was paid for by Iran, hatched and planned in Syria, and carried
out by the PFLP-GC.  The PFLP-GC led by Ahmed Jibril, a one time member of
Syrian
Intelligence, was a gun for hire terrorist group for the Arab world. Iran had
funded them to take revenge on the west for the utterly stupid and incompetent
downing of an Iranian civilian airliner by the US Navy.

Two days after Pan Am 103 exploded, the Iranian Embassy in Beirut received a
secret communication from Tehran, which was intercepted. The Iranians
congratulated their ambassador on a successful operation, and instructed them
to pay the balance of funds to the PFLP-GC.

Yassir Arafat, in a moment of trying to make nice with the US and Great
Britain's
governments, offered to assist them in bringing to justice those responsible for
the bombing. He reportedly turned over intelligence data to the US.

It is the Bush Administration which began the cover-up of their own
investigation.
Once they decided to rearrange the Middle East for the International Oil Cartel,
the needed the cooperation of Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and more recently the Plo.

The PLO needed a major makeover to make them acceptable as a peace partner for
Israel. It would not do to have a trial which would show that the PLO or one
of their offshoots did the killing, while the US and British governments went
about their normal shady business. So they set up the Libyans, one of the
convenient " rogue " states to be the fall guy.

EVERYONE HELPING THIS PHONY TRIAL PLAY OUT IS A CONSPIRATOR IN A VERY CYNICAL
COVER-UP. ESPECIALLY THE WORLD'S CORPORATE MEDIA.

My sympathies to families of the killed. They are being thrown this crumb in
order to shut them up and get them off the governments' back so it can go about
its usual business of making the world safe for big oil.

Joshua2
=
> Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
>
> >From the article below:
>
>   ...Edwin Bollier, the Swiss manufacturer of the timing device alleged
>   by the prosecution to have been used in the bombing of Pan Am Flight
>   103, has used a Danish internet site to publish new claims that the
>   bomb was not planted in the form and location that the prosecution
>   says it was.
>   ...
>   The move has stunned Lockerbie observers, who are at a loss to
>   understand how somebody listed as a prosecution witness could make
>   such outspoken public interventions. The Observer has decided not to
>   publish his new assertions in detail, but he claims evidence from the
>   cockpit voice recorder backs his version of events.
>
> There is a simple explanation: The Libyans were framed because the
> original suspect countries (Syria and Iran) were useful to the US and
> UK in the Gulf War.
>
> The ridiculous contempt-of-court laws in the UK, plus the usual "good
> liberal" obedience to government propaganda, mean that the Observer
> hasn't published Bollier's detailed allegations.
>
> -Sanjoy
>
> Key Lockerbie witness in second contempt row
>
> 'Bomb was not planted in the form stated by the prosecution,' alleges
> Swiss manufacturer of timing device
>
> Stuart Millar, Scotland editor
> Sunday May 28, 2000
> The Observer (London)
>
> A key prosecution witness at the centre of a contempt of court row at
> the Lockerbie trial has published an astonishing second attack on the
> Crown's case, less than a week after a newspaper was heavily
> criticised in court for its coverage of his earlier claims.
>
> In a move which risks provoking the wrath of judges, Edwin Bollier,
> the Swiss manufacturer of the timing device alleged by the prosecution
> to have been used in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, has used a
> Danish internet site to publish new claims that the bomb was not
> planted in the form and location that the prosecution says it was.
>
> The latest development is certain to heighten concern over the
> quantity of material discussing sensitive evidence that is being
> circulated outside the court, especially on the internet. Although the
> trial is being heard at Camp Zeist in the Netherlands by a panel of
> three senior Scottish judges instead of a jury, contempt of court
> rules still apply.
>
> The Crown contends that the bomb, which killed all 259 people on board
> Flight 103 and 11 residents of Lockerbie on 21 December 1988, was
> concealed in a Toshiba radio cassette recorder which had been placed
> inside a suitcase. According to the prosecution, the case was stored
> in a luggage container in the Boeing 747's hold.
>
> But last month, Bollier published a report submitted to the
> prosecution c

[CTRL] Constructive Fraud




Today, we're all going to learn a new termIt's only two words, now 
listen closelyCan all of you say...Constructive Fraud? 
 
Did you ever get the feelin'as your stairin' 
at the ceilin'That this game of life we play ain't fair?Seems as fast as 
we can make itthere's a hand that grabs and takes itTill they plant us 
in a grave somewhereLike a rodent on a treadmill,we keep pushin' for it 
up hillBut we never seem to get to farWell if you think you're bein' 
takenThen your ready to awakento the truth of what we really are 
 
We're all indentured,servitudal slaves over 
burdenedand bewildered feudal knavesWho have lost our soul 
posteritythrough ignorance and apathyAnd now we're bein' taxed out of 
our gravesAnd as long as we stay passive we'll succumbContented with 
some socialistic crumbWell, the naked truth and fact is,we're all saps 
who pay our taxesAnd that is why the Banksters keep us dumb
 
 
Could the state of our conditionbe the product of 
omissionWhat we didn't learn in public schools?And did our Fathers all 
through historyall fight and die for libertySo we could play the tyrants 
fools?And can you call it educationwhen it's all indoctrinationTo 
obey the hidden powers that beDid we fight the revolution,did we win the 
world warsJust to slumber into slavery? 
 
 
We're all indentured servitutal slavesOver burdened and 
bewildered feudal knavesWho have lost our soul posterity,through 
ignorance and apathyAnd now we're bein' taxed out of our gravesAnd as 
long as we stay passive we'll succumbContented with some humanistic 
crumbWell the naked truth and fact iswe're all saps who pay those 
taxesAnd that is why the Banksters keep us dumb
While Franklin and Eleanorwere tellin' us they hated 
warThey made a deal behind our backsThey said the bankers could enslave 
usfor a portion of our wagesAnd today we call it income taxBut what 
they failed then to tell uswas the way they planned to sell usIn to 
statutory slaveryNow it's called constructive fraudsome even claim the 
wrath of GodI call it social insecurity 
Let's stop bein' indentured servitudal slavesOver burdened 
and bewildered feudal knavesand reclaim our lost posterityRise up and 
proclaim libertyit's high time we rocked the boatand make some 
waves'Cause as long as we stay passive we'll succumbthey'll starve us on 
their communistic crumbAnd the naked truth and fact iswe don't have to 
pay those taxesYes it's time we showed those the Bankstersthose 
international gangstersSo let's turn the tables and spoil all their fun 
That's all!
http://www.klang.com/bankkeep.html
 
Bard
No more payroll tax withholdings..Mo more 
same-sex'marriages'.http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2525/ts/pope_gays_1.htmlNo 
more homo sex education.. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm Kids 
Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex No more (kid)nappings..No 
more phony warrants..No more 'Little Havana's'.. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/elian000421_miami.htmlNo 
more OKC's.. http://www.constitution.org/okc/okc.htmNo 
more Waco's.. http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm 
 Waco Pictorial EssayNo more Ruby Ridge's.. http://www.ruby-ridge.com/ (The 
Ballad of Randy Weaver) Wheresoever Eagles Gather  http://www.klang.com/eagles.html
 (the above can only happen  if the 
DemoRats and RepubRats  are thrown out of office.)
BUCHANAN-Reformhttp://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm

[CTRL] Fwd: Cancer And The Constitution

2000-05-28 Thread ATB XX


> >  Cancer And The Constitution
> >  By Alan Caruba
> >  Toogood Reports [Saturday, May 27, 2000; 06:32
> a.m. EST]
> >
> >  http://ToogoodReports.com/
> >
> >  Try to figure this one out. On Monday, May l5th,
> the page one USA Today
> >  headline said "Cancer's decline continues." This
> year fewer people will
> >  get cancer and fewer will die from it. So,
> naturally, on Wednesday, May
> >  l7th, the EPA announced we are all going to get
> cancer from dioxin and
> >  die. Pay attention; everybody is exposed to
> dioxin in parts per billion
> >  and that's not enough to kill a gnat.
> >
> >  Now here's something that is not likely to make
> it into the newspapers or
> >  be reported by the Rather, Brokaw and Jennings
> evening circus. On page
> l49
> >  of the EPA report about dioxin it says "There is
> no clear indicator of
> >  increased disease in the general population
> attributable to dioxin-like
> >  compounds."
> >
> >  Also on May 17th, another USA Today headline said
> "EPA to hit pollution
> by
> >  diesel." The EPA objective is to clean, clean,
> clean the air still more
> to
> >  protect us against cancers that are in decline.
> The day before, May 16th,
> >  the US Department of Health and Human Services
> took the artificial
> >  sweetener, saccharin, off its list as a probable
> cause of cancer. It was
> >  put on the list in 1981 and, apparently, an
> insufficient number of people
> >  have died from putting it in their morning cup of
> coffee.
> >
> >  When are Americans going to figure out the US
> government hasn't a clue
> >  regarding any of this stuff? Nothing the EPA does
> is intended to protect
> >  us. It is intended to regulate us for a whole
> host of other reasons. The
> >  way they do this is to lie to us fulltime about
> "threats" and "risks",
> >  most of which do not exist and/or will exact
> mindlessly huge amounts of
> >  money to "fix."
> >
> >  When are we going to stop applauding every time
> any branch of the
> >  government tells us it is "protecting" us from
> skinned knees on the
> >  playground, death by auto, cancer, or every other
> possible cause of
> injury
> >  and death that exists? When are we going to take
> responsibility for our
> >  own lives by eating sensibly, wearing helmets if
> we get on a bike or
> >  motorcycle, buckle up in our cars, whatever? Is
> it really the
> government's
> >  job to require you to do anything with regard to
> these personal
> decisions?
> >  Is it the government's job to sue tobacco
> companies when the sale and use
> >  of tobacco is still completely legal? Is it the
> government's job to
> >  require warning labels on everything? Is it the
> government's job to
> attack
> >  the Second Amendment and the manufacturers of
> guns? No! No! And no!
> >
> >  When your grandparents were born, the government
> generally stuck to the
> >  job as defined and described in the U.S.
> Constitution. However, ever
> since
> >  the days of the Great Depression, the government
> has assumed the
> >  responsibility for everyone's health, for
> people's retirement plans, for
> >  the environment, for every single aspect of life
> in America. And it is
> not
> >  authorized to do any of this. There isn't a word
> in the Constitution with
> >  respect to health, housing, Social Security, the
> environment, and the
> >  endless other aspects of our lives for which the
> Founding Fathers rightly
> >  assumed individual citizens were responsible. It
> is called liberty.
> >
> >  It is doubtful that the Constitution is even
> taught in the schools these
> >  days. Most certainly, we have an entire
> generation or two of Americans
> who
> >  have never studied what used to be called
> "civics", how the government
> >  functions, its responsibilities and its
> restrictions. These are the
> people
> >  who are old enough to vote, but don't. For this
> we can thank the
> teacher's
> >  unions. Too many of us who can vote, don't.
> Clinton was elected the last
> >  time around with about 40% of the vote. This is
> not a mandate to do
> >  anything.
> >
> >  The Founding Fathers put lots of restrictions on
> the government, fearful
> >  of the unconstrained nature of any central
> government. The Constitution
> >  says that Congress has the power to regulate
> commerce, to coin money, to
> >  establish post offices and post roads, to promote
> the progress of science
> >  and "useful arts" by granting patents, to declare
> war and raise armies
> and
> >  navies. It set up the judicial system.
> >
> >  The tenth Amendment of the Bill of Rights,
> declares succinctly that "the
> >  powers not delegated to the United States by the
> Constitution, nor
> >  prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
> the States respectively,
> >  or to the people." That's important because the
> Founding Fathers wanted
> to
> >  insure that whatever power they did not grant the
> federal government, it
> >  could not have.
> >
> >  This is also why, after grant

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Cancer And The Constitution

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  "When your grandparents were born, the government generally stuck
   to the job as defined and described in the U.S. Constitution.
   However, ever since the days of the Great Depression, the government
   has assumed the responsibility for everyone's health, for people's
   retirement plans, for the environment, for every single aspect of life
   in America. And it is not authorized to do any of this."
__

You are right on target, dead solid perfect!
You are getting to the very heart of the matter, which so few
seem to understand.
I call attention to your words above:

"...ever since the days of the Great Depression"

When people are under great pressure, they will do things they
wouldn't ordinarily do.
When people have lost their jobs...
When people have lost their homes...
When people have lost their farms...
When people have lost their life's savings...
When people see their children going hungry...

During such times, people will agree to and accept things which they
would not agree to in normal times.

This is precisely why the "Great Depression" was intentionally created!
It was no accident, no "act of God"not some unfathomable result of
"business cycles".

The "Great Depression" was designed and engineered to put the
American People under terrible stress and economic pressures.
It was under these conditions that the people agreed to accept
Roosevelt's "New Deal".

Indeed, America has been a very different country since then.
The following information about a Senate Committee investigation
into the "Emergency Powers" gives further explanation.

The introduction to Senate Report 93-549, entered into the Congressional
Record
 in 1973 states:

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all their lives
under emergency ruleFor 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures
guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by
laws brought into force by states of national emergencyAnd, in the United
States, actions taken by the government in times of great crisis have from,
at least, the Civil War, in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a
permanent state of national emergency."

   Following the introduction the report's opening statement goes on to say:

"Since March the 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared
national emergencyThis vast range of powers, taken together, confer
enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal
constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the
President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production;
seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law;
seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the
operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of
particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

   Not overlooked by those drafting the Constitution was the possible need to
address national emergencies. The document contains certain provisions
indicating that its signatories conceived of the possibility that some
guarantees of personal liberties may, in the national interest, require
suspension.

   Article 1, Section 9 states: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus
shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion [an internal
occurrence] or invasion [external] the public safety require it." This grants
the citizen the freedom from imprisonment or detention without due process.
The proviso "unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety
require it" indicates the necessity to provide for some contingencies that
may also carry with them the possibility for abuse. No document of liberty,
however, could possibly proscribe all potential for misuse of those liberties
without actually eliminating them in the process. It has been said that
communism is nothing more than democracy with all potential for abuse
legislated out.

   As a result of the Executive Orders listed above, in concert with the War
and Emergency Powers Act, there exists within the United States a government
within a government. It is hidden, semi-covert in nature, and does not
recognize the U.S. Constitution or its constraints.

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[CTRL] GM Foods And Teenagers-The Propaganda Is Working


  Friday, May 26, 2000

Teenagers see monitored GM foods as part of future

--
--
By Kevin O'Sullivan, Environmental
and Food Science Correspondent
Irish teenagers are not receptive to notions that GM foods are the creation
of a modern-day Frankenstein.

In fact, the majority believes biotechnology may soon have the same relevance
to their lives as the Internet, according to entries in a competition for
transition year students.

A strong endorsement of the technology was reflected in 90 per cent of
entries in the Biotechnology in Farming and Food Challenge 2000, which was
promoted by the organisation AgriAware and the Department of Education, with
sponsorship by The Irish Times.

More than 1,000 students entered and their pro-GM attitudes contrast with
opinion polls of the greater population which indicate more caution about the
technology.

But teenager approval is not about GM's newness or its "coolness". For with
approval came recommendations for extensive monitoring and often meticulous
evaluation of the potential of "designer foods" and global food needs.

The vast majority was critical of a lack of public education on biotechnology
and many concluded there was a lack of leadership on the Government's part.
The competition, which has a £12,000 prize fund, offered winners the
opportunity to submit their findings to Government.

Biotechnology in farming is controversial and this was indicated in differing
views but students felt strongly the technology had to be adopted and
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[CTRL] June, grow the fuck up, you whiney twit!

2000-05-28 Thread Edward Britton


June:

>The delete key is NOT the solution if there is a 100-post per day list
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Re: [CTRL] Posting limits and comments thereon

2000-05-28 Thread Edward Britton


Kris:

> June, I generally lift the limit when we hit it, maybe not as fast as some
>would like, but  when I see it, I lift it.

Quit worrying about it, Kris. You do a fine job of running this list. I'm
sure you can't help it if some individuals have the emotional/intellectual
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[CTRL] The Clinton Team and Blackmail

2000-05-28 Thread K


http://Insightmag.com/archive/26202.shtml

--
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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread DIG alfred webre


In a message dated 00-05-28 04:47:33 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<>

Nessie - That is false.  UFOs game the French fighter jets, and that is an ET
craft, by the rules of best evidence. THAT IS THE CORE OF THE REPORT, NESSIE.
THE FRENCH ARE REPORTING ON 500 UFO CRAFT THAT BY THE RULES OF BEST EVIDENCE
ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL.   UFOs gamed my radio talk show in Jackson MISS on May
14, 2000 - coulda been ETs. Coulda been USA military mimics.  I think it was
ETs.  UFOs game with people who are ET sensitive.  ETs are playing a
"peripheral cuing" game.  UFO encounters are peripheral cues, mass psychology
enhancers.  Pentagon secret triangular UFOs are gross. ET UFOs are cool.  ETs
don't play YOUR game; ETs play THEIR game Capiche?

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Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?

2000-05-28 Thread DIG alfred webre


In a message dated 00-05-28 14:15:44 EDT, you write:

<< No denial going on here.  Just a request for the 'evidence' that is
 claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead
 to personal attack.


 June >>

June, please read the evidence summarized in May 27, 2000 article:
http://www.alienzoo.com/news/u/25280005.cfm

The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most
strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis.  ETs are here and have been
proven so, despite the best efforts of the USA military.

What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French
report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no
visible shift in attitude.  The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER.
Only in the minds of USA mind controllers and their mind-captive population
(55% of the USA adults) do ETs and UFOs not exist.  My guess is that this
list falls out pretty much with the general population: 45% are ET sensitive;
55% are ET skeptical or no opinion.

Comprenez-vous?  Alfred

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread tenebroust

On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote:

>
> At 07:39 PM 27, 05, , 2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >I think the point is missed here Andrew.  We both DON'T know that ET's
> exist, (UFO's exist absolutely) we do both know that China exists, thus
> there is a conflict and this argument does not hold water.
>
> I've never been there, to China, never touched it - seen some images on tv
> - but they can do marvellous things with photoshop these days - sure there
> are some vases and stuff but those could've been made anywhere. Spielbergs
> Dreamworks can do incredible stuff.
>
> [this is the ultimate sceptical argument by the way - first coined by
> descartes
> it is called epistemological scepticism - 'how can we know anything' its
> used a lot on 'science lists' when the sleazy unfalsifiable passengers on
> the gravy train are confronted with the paradoxes central to their lunatic
> 'scientific BELIEFS' - I use the argument here because we're all in
> rational mode - and well - its the bottom line for any sceptic - get
> familiar with it - it'll get more frequent as the scientific world view
> collapses into 'magical realism']
>
> If you are asking me to believe that because there is 'anecdotal and third
> party evidence - eg. vases that alledge that they come from a place called
> china along with a story that has some strange names in it - and you expect
> me to believe because of that that china exists - then EQUALLY - there is
> as much if not more CULTURAL THIRD PARTY EVIDENCE for EXTRA
> TERRESTRIAL/non-human culture and beings as there is for CHINA.
>
> So if you tell me that CHINA definitely exists - then Non-Human Intelligent
> life exists on this planet too.
>
> So on those simple grounds alone - if you dismiss ET's [and I think that
> there has been and still is plenty of non-human intelligent life on this
> planet] - then you cannot claim that your KITCHEN exists if you cannot see
> it at any one time.
> There are Images of Non-Human Beings worshipped, drawn, painted and
> communed with since the dawn of recorded time on this planet.
> Dismiss that evidence - and well, who needs a kitchen anyway ?  :)
>
> andrew

Andrew, ultimately I must agree with the ultra-sceptical viewpoint and say that we can 
know nothing.  I believe that everything is ultimately illusory thus nothing exists in 
an ultimate sense (for me at least).  But if we cannot agree on any fundamentals then 
we will never agree on the small things.
I think we both agree that UFO's are real, we just differ on what they may be.  
Correct me if I'm wrong but you believe that at least some of them are being directed 
by aliens from somewhere other than Earth?  I say that there is no evidence that any 
UFO's are of alien origin, but do not discount the possibility out of hand.  Will you 
admit the possibility that there are no alien driven UFO's, or are you adamant that 
your view MUST be correct?

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[CTRL] UFO's, ET's, Aliens, Best evidence?

2000-05-28 Thread tenebroust


It seems that this discussion is going nowhere as some refuse to budge on their 
BELIEFS in the reality of ET driven physical craft.
I noted how the "best evidence" report just seemed to skip over the possibility of 
paranormal explanations which are certainly, in my book, a real possibility.  How is 
this scientific?
Did these French or Belgian pilots actually capture a craft?  Did they get an actual 
Alien?  Could it even be determined OBJECTIVELY that the UFO's in question were 
MATERIAL objects?  The answer to these questions is, no.
Now I don't think that anyone here is going to deny that UFO's exist as a real 
phenomenon which is attested to by historical reference as well as contemporary 
experience.  I don't think that anyone here will contest that some people have seen, 
or experienced,(at least they firmly believe it to be so within their own 
minds)"beings", or "presences".  And that some of these "beings" may have identified 
themselves as "alien" from somewhere other than Earth.
This is all subjective and open to interpretation.  The fact is that no matter what 
way you slice it there exists the fact that there is NO OBJECTIVE evidence for ET's 
even existing (even though it MAY be a logical conclusion based on the density of 
stars, and planets, etc.) let alone their coming here to Earth.  There is no 
NON-SUBJECTIVE evidence that UFO's are even real PHYSICAL or MATERIAL craft.  There is 
no OBJECTIVE evidence that any purported "abductions" were done by aliens, or that 
aliens which are "experienced", in one way or another, are even real physical, 
material beings.
NOW, let us suppose that people who have experienced these "beings" or been "abducted" 
by them and that they were told all of the things that they claim they were told.  Let 
us also assume that they were taken somewhere that appeared to them to be a ship of 
some kind, or that they were given a tour of the Solar System like some have claimed.  
None of that is objective.  It still proves nothing, since all of the phenomenon may 
have other explanations.  Even if "beings" are experienced and they tell you 
something, it does NOT MEAN THEY ARE TELLING YOU THE TRUTH!  Where does it say that 
"aliens" must always tell you the truth?
What about Paranormal explanations which are just dismissed by the French in the 
report so often cited recently here?  How is it that we can ignore an interpretation 
which has such a lengthy historical and cultural anchor?  What about Ghosts, or 
Demons, or Angels.  For that matter what about HUMANS from the future, or past?  
Nothing can be ruled out.  I DO NOT RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ALIENS BEING HERE AND 
DRIVING AROUND UFO'S!  But, it is clear to me that the people on this list who BELIEVE 
that ET's are here and that they are driving around UFO's for God knows what reasons, 
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to accept the possibility that they might be WRONG!  They will not 
accept that the "evidence" they cite is open to many possible interpretations because 
it is SUBJECTIVE.  They will not admit and accept that there simply is NO OBJECTIVE 
evidence, there is no PHYSICAL evidence, there are no alien bodies, there are no 
captured UFO craft.  It will not do to "claim" that the government is covering it up, 
which may or may not be true.
The fact is that al the "evidence" which has been presented here in support of UFO's 
being "alien" craft piloted by ET's, is not evidence at all but SUBJECTIVE 
interpretation.  Remember, radar can reflect off of weather systems which are not 
solid objects.  People can see hallucinations.  The military are probably capable of 
mimicking UFO, and ET experiences.  Peple are sometimes just mistaken.  Then again 
sometimes they are not, and because this issue ranges over time and through different 
cultures one must conclude that there is SOMETHING GOING ON, and that the POSSIBILITY 
that, at least some, UFO's are in fact craft piloted by ET's, is so.  But by the same 
token one must conclude that because there is no OBJECTIVE evidence for it that this 
interpretation could be WRONG.
Can we agree on this basic premise??

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[CTRL] Global Conspiracy UNIFICATION CHURCH BUYS UPI

..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:

From: Tara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Global Conspiracy UNIFICATION CHURCH BUYS UPI
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:07 AM

(And they own a lot more companies.)

Unification Church arm acquires UPI
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/upimoonies.htm

http://news.excite.com/news/r/000515/16/media-upi

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Unification Church affiliate that owns the
Washington Times newspaper has acquired United Press  International wire
service which broke the news of President John Kennedy's assassination
but has since fallen on hard times, the agency said Monday.

UPI said in an article Monday that News World Communications,
established by Unification Church head Rev. Sun Myung Moon, "plans to
maintain UPI as an independent news-gathering operation, while upgrading
its capacity with new technologies and distribution practices."

Since it was established by Moon in 1982, the Washington Times has
provided a consistently conservative editorial voice in the nation's
capital. Moon also lists on his Internet site newspapers in Seoul,
Tokyo, Montevideo, Athens, Los Angeles and New York.

UPI reached its peak in the late 1950s when it had some 5,000 newspaper
and broadcast clients. Over the next several decades the client base
shrank. UPI recently sold its once-powerful broadcast division to its
long-time rival, the Associated Press.

In recent years UPI has been most famous for its chief White House
reporter, Helen Thomas, the dean of presidential journalists who has
covered every president since Kennedy.

"Unipressers" in their heyday were some of the best known bylines in
American journalism. The wire service's alumni included Walter Cronkite,
Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley, Eric Sevareid and Harrison Salisbury.

UPI scored numerous coups in journalism, perhaps most notably its beat
over AP of the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of Kennedy.

Smith seized the only phone on the press car in the presidential
motorcade and refused to relinquish it to his AP counterpart, Jack Bell.

The first word of the assassination to the rest of the world was Smith's
and he went on to win a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting.

But there were gaffes as well, such as an April 28, 1986 report that
2,000 people had been killed in the Chernobyl nuclear accident and a
"beat" on the signing of the Armistice ending World War I that moved
four days before the ink went on the
paper Nov. 11, 1918.

United Press was launched June 21, 1907, by newspaper magnate Edward
Wyllis Scripps in part because he wanted a news agency to serve his
afternoon dailies that the morning-paper oriented AP would not serve.

Thus began a long competitive rivalry with the larger, richer AP that
often was one of the most intense of American journalism.

In May 1958 United Press merged with the third major U.S. wire service,
William Randolph Hearst's International News Service. Known as United
Press International and now armed with many of of INS' well-known
correspondents around the world, UPI
set out to challenge the AP.

But it started losing money within four years and never stopped.
Battered by the rise of television news and the shrinking number of
afternoon newspapers -- the backbone of the wire service's news report
-- UPI shrank in size and kept losing money.

Still there were days of glory left. UPI won six more Pulitzer Prizes in
reporting and photography in addition to Smith's and called the 1976
presidential election of Jimmy Carter before any other news
organization.

After trying for years to unload UPI to a reputable news organization,
UPI's owner, the Scripps Howard newspaper chain paid two inexperienced
Nashville, Tennessee, entrepreneurs, Doug Ruhe and Bill Geisler, $5
million to take it in 1982.

The two presided over a news agency that hemorrhaged money, lost clients
and sold off assets -- including its overseas news pictures operation to
Reuters -- and eventually had to file for bankruptcy protection under
Chapter 11.

Over the next decade UPI changed hands three times -- first being sold
to Mexican publisher Mario Vazquez-Rana, then to California venture
capitalist Earl Brian.

UPI has been owned by a group of Saudi Arabian businessmen since 1992.

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[CTRL] Pied: "potty mouth" :-)

2000-05-28 Thread Edward Britton


Pied:

>Edward this is not "your" list either
>and I take exception to some potty
>mouth venting.

OK, I'll try to do better, but she REALLY DOES get on my nerves. Whereas we
*could* be back to having a decent conversation, June HAS to step in with
her obsessive rants over issues which are totally beyond her control. After
a while, it's enough to make anybody resort to "potty mouth."

>  I do not think that
>I should have to use the delete key -

Then join another political discussion/conspiracy list with no limitations
on postings. This isn't the only pail in the sandbox, you know? Even if it
were, you--and her--could start your own list and operate it by your own
rules.

>I do not think that words that show a
>sub standard vocabulary or lack of control are
>appropriate.

I dunno; they're looking pretty effective from my perspective :-)

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Re: [CTRL] June, grow the f*** up, you whiney twit!

2000-05-28 Thread Eagle 1


>> . . . and I take exception to some potty
mouth venting.  I do not think that
I should have to use the delete key -
I do not think that words that show a
sub standard vocabulary or lack of control are
appropriate. Please use a thesaurus or
a dictionary before you comment, it will
allow you time to put your brain in gear.
<<

As another subscriber to this list,
I will second that motion...

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: "ThePiedPiper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] June, grow the fuck up, you whiney twit!


> Edward this is not "your" list either
> and I take exception to some potty
> mouth venting.  I do not think that
> I should have to use the delete key -
> I do not think that words that show a
> sub standard vocabulary or lack of control are
> appropriate.  Please use a thesaurus or
> a dictionary before you comment, it will
> allow you time to put your brain in gear.
> ThePiedPiper 28May2000
>
> Lincoln:
> It is better to be thought a fool than
> to open your mouth and remove all
> doubt.
>
> Edward Britton wrote:
> >
> > June:
> >
> > >The delete key is NOT the solution if there is a 100-post per day list
> > >limit, and one person gets to send 20 percent or more of the daily
posts.
> > >It's not fair to the rest of us if that person's excessive posts end up
> > >shutting down the list for the rest of us.
> >
> > This is NOT your list! Start your own and grow the fuck up, you whiney
twit!!!
> >
> > Edward   ><+>
> > ===
> > "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary
act."
> > -- George Orwell
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html
> > Reality Pump: http://www.egroups.com/group/reality_pump
> > ===
> >
> --
> Any person can stand adversity,
> The true test is to give a person power.
>
> If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
> you will be.
>
> Atrocities happen when the people about you -
>  start considering you surplus.
>
> "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
> others to differ from me in opinion"
>    Thomas Jefferson 
>
> My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
> those who do the work and
> those who take the credit.
> He told me to be in the first group -
>  there is less competition there. -
> Indira Gandhi
>
> http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm
> ICQ 14484977
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[CTRL] IRS audits Rapist's victim Juanita Broaddrick




X DRUDGE REPORT X SUNDAY MAY 28 2000 
19:08:41 ET X CLINTON RAPE ACCUSER JUANITA BROADDRICK HIT WITH IRS 
AUDIT A woman who last year publicly accused President Bill Clinton of 
once raping her has been hit with an audit from the IRS, the DRUDGE REPORT has 
learned.Juanita Broaddrick was notified last week that she is being 
audited for tax returns that were filed covering 1998. "Juanita is 
upset, its the first time she has ever been audited," a source close to 
Broaddrick said on Sunday. The Arkansas nursing home executive is suing 
the White House and Justice Department to obtain any records held by the Clinton 
administration about her. 
---Filed by 
Matt DrudgeReports are moved when circumstances 
warranthttp://www.drudgereport.com for updates(c)DRUDGE REPORT 
2000
Bard
 
No more payroll tax withholdings..Mo 
more 
same-sex'marriages'.http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2525/ts/pope_gays_1.htmlNo 
more homo sex education.. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm    
Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex No more 
(kid)nappings..No more phony warrants..No more 'Little 
Havana's'.. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/elian000421_miami.htmlNo 
more corrupt Attorney Generals..No more pinkos in our 
Congress..Mo more rapists in our White House..No more 
OKC's.. http://www.constitution.org/okc/okc.htmNo 
more Waco's.. http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm 
 Waco Pictorial EssayNo more Ruby Ridge's.. http://www.ruby-ridge.com/ (The 
Ballad of Randy Weaver) Wheresoever Eagles Gather  http://www.klang.com/eagles.html
 
 (the above can only happen  if 
the DemoRats and RepubRats  are thrown out of office.)
 
BUCHANAN-Reformhttp://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm

[CTRL] Appeals court refuses emergency relief for Clinton

2000-05-28 Thread Eagle 1


http://www.trib.com/HOMENEWS/WASH/AAClinton_Willey26.html

Appeals court refuses emergency relief for Clinton

By PETE YOST
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal appeals court today refused to intervene in a
lawsuit in which a judge found President Clinton committed a criminal
violation of the Privacy Act by releasing letters of presidential accuser
Kathleen Willey.

The three-judge panel strongly criticized U.S. District Judge Royce
Lamberth's decision regarding Clinton, but the appeals judges said "we do
not take seriously" arguments by the White House that the work of the
president and his aides is hurt by the ruling.
"The district court's observations on alleged criminal activity are entirely
superfluous," but they are not binding and so there is "no basis" for the
appeals court to intervene, all three appeals judges said in their ruling.

"District court decisions do not establish the law of the circuit" and "the
members of the White House Office are under no real threat of criminal
prosecution," the appeals judges declared.

The decision stated that the appeals court can deal with the issue when the
lawsuit filed by a conservative group, Judicial Watch, ends.
It is highly unusual for appeals courts to involve themselves in cases
before they are disposed of.

The 3-0 ruling was by judges Harry Edwards, a Carter appointee; David Tatel,
a Clinton appointee; and Douglas Ginsburg, a Reagan appointee.

The White House had argued that Lamberth's ruling would chill confidential
discussions between the president and his top aides. But the appeals court
said "there has been no showing of harm of the sort required to justify the
drastic remedy" of stepping into the middle of an ongoing lawsuit.

In a March 29 ruling, Lamberth, a Reagan appointee, found the president had
the requisite intent to commit a criminal violation of the Privacy Act when
he authorized the release of Willey's letters in the midst of the 1998
criminal investigation that led to Clinton's impeachment and acquittal.

White House aides viewed the Willey correspondence with the president as
vital to undercutting her allegation that Clinton made an unwanted sexual
advance. Much of Willey's friendly correspondence with Clinton came after
the alleged 1993 encounter.
The lawsuit concerns the Clinton administration's alleged violation of the
Privacy Act by gathering hundreds of FBI background files of former Reagan
and Bush appointees.
Although the case began with the FBI files issue, Lamberth gave Judicial
Watch latitude to explore whether the White House routinely gathered and
released damaging information about its political opponents, a decision that
led to inclusion of the Willey letters even though Willey is not a party to
the suit.



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+++



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[CTRL] ELIAN HAS COST UNCLE SAM $1.4M and growing ...

ELIAN HAS COST UNCLE SAM $1.4M By
BRIAN BLOMQUIST
WASHINGTON
- Operation Protect Elian has cost taxpayers $1.4 million and is growing by
leaps and bounds, government officials said. After taking Elian at gunpoint
from his Miami relatives five weeks ago and flying him to meet his father, the
government's chief job now is to protect the 6-year-old boatwreck survivor.

That task involves about 70 government agents at
a cost to the taxpayers of $120,000 a week, according to officials in the
Justice Department.
The security team consists of about 50 U.S.
marshals and 20 deputized agents from the Immigration and Naturalization
Service, officials said.
Last week, Elian and his family decided to move
from a country plantation on Maryland's eastern shore to a leafy estate in a
tony neighborhood in Washington.
Private groups donated the houses for Elian and
his family in both cases, and the Cuban government has picked up the tab for
food and supplies.
But the security bill goes to the American
taxpayers.
The marshals won't say exactly how many agents
they've assigned to guard the Gonzalez family, citing security reasons. But a
supervisor marshal on the scene estimated that 50 marshals are involved - and
that doesn't count the INS agents.
The Justice Department said the marshals are
racking up more than $54,000 a week in overtime and more than $27,000 per week
in supplies - cell phones, cars, vans, fuel, batteries and computer hardware.

In addition, the INS says, it's costing $40,000
a week in overtime and food and hotel costs for its 20 agents - all deputized by
the U.S. marshals.
"That's not including salaries. That's
extraordinary costs," INS spokesman Don Mueller said.
Mueller said the INS agents are working at the
command of the U.S. Marshals Service and have been providing "perimeter"
security. In other words, they're the agents outside by the trees, standing on
alert.
Although the six-acre Rosedale estate in
Washington is much smaller than the Wye River Plantation near Chesapeake Bay,
marshals said it's harder to provide security because of the surrounding
population and the employees who work on the site.
Agents have surrounded the estate with yellow
tape and are posted every 200 feet, but so far little has happened. http://www.nypostonline.com/news/4818.htm
Bard

[CTRL] Fade to Black


From
http://shns.scripps.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=POWERWOES-05-29-00&cat=AN

}}>Begin
NATIONAL HEADLINES
High-energy nation could pull the plug on the power grid
By LISA HOFFMAN
Scripps Howard News Service
May 29, 2000

- You grab a few cubes from the ice-maker for your iced tea, nuke a frozen
pizza in the microwave, toss a load of wash in the dryer, notch up the AC,
crank the stereo, scan in a couple of photos to e-mail to relatives, and sit
back for an evening cruising the Internet.

Upstairs, the kids are styling their hair, playing computer games and listening
to the radio, while your spouse is in the basement office finishing the
spreadsheet work that didn't get done that day on the job.

That seemingly serene summer scenario is anything but that for those in charge
of supplying electricity to the nation.

Energy experts warn that the onset of the hot season, coupled with the recent
acceleration in the wiring of America, is likely to bring months of power
brownout and blackout alerts in unprecedented number.

As demand drains supply, the cost of power for companies and consumers is
headed for a dramatic uptick. Peak-time prices hundreds of times higher than
usual are forecast this summer in some regions.

Why? Combine a sizzling economy, an explosion of computer users at home and on
the job, and a proliferation of other electronic devices ruled by
microprocessors for work and play. The result is a ravenous appetite for
reliable electricity that must travel over a lagging transmission system
designed for a largely bygone era.

"The system, designed as a two-lane road, is now being used as an autobahn or
New Jersey Turnpike," said James Owen, spokesman for the Edison Electric
Institute, an interest group of private electric companies.

Particularly worried is the burgeoning high-tech industry, as well as firms
engaged in Internet commerce or otherwise dependent on e-mail and similar
online ways of doing business.

For them, a blackout, or complete power failure, can be ruinous. From online
stock trading outfits to such Internet merchants as eBay and Amazon.com, every
minute the power is out can mean millions of dollars lost.

Brownouts _ caused by intentional cutbacks in electrical juice _ also can wreak
havoc on sensitive equipment, including that used by everything from ATM
machines to auto mechanics. Surges or other blips, even those imperceptible to
an office worker, can knock a microprocessor for a loop.

The digital world, according to experts, demands a power supply that is
essentially 99. percent steady and reliable. Despite its stresses, the U.S.
system is remarkably dependable, but even so, the average residential customer
can count on glitches causing a cumulative seven or eight hours without power a
year.

That would be catastrophic for new economy enterprises, where a disruption as
brief as "one-60th of one second is enough to make everything go blooey," said
Karl Stahlkopf, vice president of the non-profit Electric Power Research
Institute in Palo Alto, Calif.

Estimates are that the economy will lose more than $25 billion a year as a
result of power disruptions which, until the digital age, were far from rare
but hardly so crippling.

In the past decade alone, the power "load," or demand, has increased 35 percent
while the capacity to get that electricity to users has grown only 18 percent.
Conservative forecasts predict another 20 percent boost in demand ahead, but no
more than a 4 percent hike in transmission capacity. A big part of the problem
is that no one wants new power poles or stations near their homes or
businesses.

Complicating the situation is the ongoing deregulation of the power industry.
"The country is increasingly sensitive to any type of disruption," said Jamie
Wimberly, vice president of the Consumer Energy Council, a watchdog group in
Washington.

Already this summer, the Silicon Valley region of California, broiling now in a
heat wave, is being warned by Pacific Gas & Electric to make a concerted
conservation effort or face significant power problems and financial penalties.
Energy experts expect the same situation to bedevil other parts of the country
this summer, particularly in other high-tech hubs.

Some technology firms are shelling out big bucks to build their own power
plants to insulate themselves from disruptions. In Redwood Shores, Calif., for
instance, computer hardware and software giant Oracle Corp. has spent $6
million to construct its own generators and substation system.

The Energy Department and conservation groups have begun to amplify their calls
for the country to cut back consumption through more energy-efficient
appliances and power-stingy habits.

Some in the industry are demanding more financial incentives to stimulate
investment in the nation's power grid, coupled with fewer restrictions from the
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

"We have to build a type of electrical power infrastructure that will support a
microprocessor-based socie

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread Chris Case

  nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The world is overrun with belief systems based on a priori assumptions.

>They're all irrational.

Give a moment's thought to the a priori assumptions of "scientific"
empiricism before you shoot yourself in the foot, is my suggestion :-)

A search for "Problem of Induction" would be the entry-level approach...

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Re: [CTRL] Fade to Black

2000-05-28 Thread ThePiedPiper


Solar
would help
ThePiedPiper 29May2000

Alamaine wrote:
>
> From
> http://shns.scripps.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=POWERWOES-05-29-00&cat=AN
>
> }}>Begin
> NATIONAL HEADLINES
> High-energy nation could pull the plug on the power grid
> By LISA HOFFMAN
> Scripps Howard News Service
> May 29, 2000
>
> - You grab a few cubes from the ice-maker for your iced tea, nuke a frozen
> pizza in the microwave, toss a load of wash in the dryer, notch up the AC,
> crank the stereo, scan in a couple of photos to e-mail to relatives, and sit
> back for an evening cruising the Internet.
>
> Upstairs, the kids are styling their hair, playing computer games and listening
> to the radio, while your spouse is in the basement office finishing the
> spreadsheet work that didn't get done that day on the job.
>
> That seemingly serene summer scenario is anything but that for those in charge
> of supplying electricity to the nation.
>
> Energy experts warn that the onset of the hot season, coupled with the recent
> acceleration in the wiring of America, is likely to bring months of power
> brownout and blackout alerts in unprecedented number.
>
> As demand drains supply, the cost of power for companies and consumers is
> headed for a dramatic uptick. Peak-time prices hundreds of times higher than
> usual are forecast this summer in some regions.
>
> Why? Combine a sizzling economy, an explosion of computer users at home and on
> the job, and a proliferation of other electronic devices ruled by
> microprocessors for work and play. The result is a ravenous appetite for
> reliable electricity that must travel over a lagging transmission system
> designed for a largely bygone era.
>
> "The system, designed as a two-lane road, is now being used as an autobahn or
> New Jersey Turnpike," said James Owen, spokesman for the Edison Electric
> Institute, an interest group of private electric companies.
>
> Particularly worried is the burgeoning high-tech industry, as well as firms
> engaged in Internet commerce or otherwise dependent on e-mail and similar
> online ways of doing business.
>
> For them, a blackout, or complete power failure, can be ruinous. From online
> stock trading outfits to such Internet merchants as eBay and Amazon.com, every
> minute the power is out can mean millions of dollars lost.
>
> Brownouts _ caused by intentional cutbacks in electrical juice _ also can wreak
> havoc on sensitive equipment, including that used by everything from ATM
> machines to auto mechanics. Surges or other blips, even those imperceptible to
> an office worker, can knock a microprocessor for a loop.
>
> The digital world, according to experts, demands a power supply that is
> essentially 99. percent steady and reliable. Despite its stresses, the U.S.
> system is remarkably dependable, but even so, the average residential customer
> can count on glitches causing a cumulative seven or eight hours without power a
> year.
>
> That would be catastrophic for new economy enterprises, where a disruption as
> brief as "one-60th of one second is enough to make everything go blooey," said
> Karl Stahlkopf, vice president of the non-profit Electric Power Research
> Institute in Palo Alto, Calif.
>
> Estimates are that the economy will lose more than $25 billion a year as a
> result of power disruptions which, until the digital age, were far from rare
> but hardly so crippling.
>
> In the past decade alone, the power "load," or demand, has increased 35 percent
> while the capacity to get that electricity to users has grown only 18 percent.
> Conservative forecasts predict another 20 percent boost in demand ahead, but no
> more than a 4 percent hike in transmission capacity. A big part of the problem
> is that no one wants new power poles or stations near their homes or
> businesses.
>
> Complicating the situation is the ongoing deregulation of the power industry.
> "The country is increasingly sensitive to any type of disruption," said Jamie
> Wimberly, vice president of the Consumer Energy Council, a watchdog group in
> Washington.
>
> Already this summer, the Silicon Valley region of California, broiling now in a
> heat wave, is being warned by Pacific Gas & Electric to make a concerted
> conservation effort or face significant power problems and financial penalties.
> Energy experts expect the same situation to bedevil other parts of the country
> this summer, particularly in other high-tech hubs.
>
> Some technology firms are shelling out big bucks to build their own power
> plants to insulate themselves from disruptions. In Redwood Shores, Calif., for
> instance, computer hardware and software giant Oracle Corp. has spent $6
> million to construct its own generators and substation system.
>
> The Energy Department and conservation groups have begun to amplify their calls
> for the country to cut back consumption through more energy-efficient
> appliances and power-stingy habits.
>
> Some in the industry are demanding more financial incentives to stim

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence/Covert Mimic

2000-05-28 Thread Samantha L.

In a message dated 5/28/00 1:22:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> When that skepticism is pointed at your pet theories, you'd better
>  come up with the right stuff or if you can't, stop claiming that your
theory
>  is a fact.

  It clearly doesn't matter what I come up with or what anyone else comes up
with.  Period.  You're intractable, which is fine.

  I've found a few kindred spirits here so I'm happy.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] conference

2000-05-28 Thread Smart News


Hi !

Below please find a press release and URL with information for a conference
in August. Please write if you would like more information.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

Please feel free to forward this to those that are pro-survivor.

http://members.aol.com/smartnews/smart-2000-conference.htm">Ritual
Abuse Conference  - 2000

The Third Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control
Conference" will be held on August 5 and 6, 2000 at the DoubleTree Hotel near
Bradley International Airport (between Hartford, CT and Springfield, MA). The
purpose of the conference will be to help survivors of ritual abuse and to
help stop future occurrences of ritual abuse and mind control. The conference
will be for survivors, co-survivors, helping professionals and others
interested in the above topic.  For the safety of all participants we try to
exclude current members of secret organizations, current perpetrators, and/or
members of unsympathetic organizations.  We recommend always bringing a
support person to all conferences and staying with that person or another
safe person at all times. For survivors of mind control and/or ritual abuse,
S.M.A.R.T. recommends that you try to bring a support person that is familiar
with mind control techniques.  We also recommend reading the first
presentation at our last conference at
http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page5/NBpresentation99.htm about conference
safety and trigger management. For information write  S.M.A.R.T., P. O Box
1295, Easthampton, MA 01027-1295 USA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], conference
information is at:  http://members.aol.com/smartnews/smart-2000-conference.htm

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread Samantha L.

In a message dated 5/28/00 1:42:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 'Simultaneous' means that they all saw it at the same time, during the same
>  event.  Tell us more about this ONE event where 'thousands' at that one
time
>  saw the same thing...
>

  Good talks about a UFO sighting (in Mexico, I believe) which was witnessed
by many thousands of people at once.  Actually, he writes about more than
that one.  I don't have his book at hand.

  I also think the Phoenix Arizona wave of 1997 fits into this category.  The
Belgium sightings starting in 1989 had hundreds at a time, adding up to about
30K before the wave passed.

  There's more evidence laying about regarding UFOs and ET's than there is
about most other topics taken as credible on this list - especially Clinton
topics.  Clinton has been tried, convicted and hung on this list about a
gazillion times with much less supporting evidence than there is available
for UFO's likely being operated by ET's.

  If you're interested in learning more, look for info.  You may be
surprised.  It's not all going to fall into your lap.  Read the French report
or the Belgian report if you like.  Whatever.

  People on this list are very smart.  That different standards of evidence
are used for different topics reveals, IMO, at least a lack of objectivity.
Whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

  I made a new friend and found some great info by being involved in this
discussion.  I'm happy and so now I can be nice, even.

Samantha

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[CTRL] British deal fuelled Balkan war


>>>In themoldy days, we used to have 'management', one sort of which was
'management by objective [MBO]', the focus of which was to have an 'objective'
and thereto to manage.  It becomes apparent that the 'new management' (like the
'new math[ematics] [of which 'arithmetic' is a basic but small part thereof])
should be monickered 'management {with} no objective [Mgt NO]' ... the
following Observer article demonstrates the fundamental premise of Mgt NO:
there are no [significant] problems.  However, having all these BBAs and MBAs
having to earn their keep after having racked up $$$K in student loans, jobs
must be created for them.  They learn (having apparently been taught) that
there must be 'things' or 'people' or 'issues' to manage before they can use
their expensive and extensive learning.  Ergo, where there are no (significant)
problems, the effective manager busies him or her self in creating problems,
thereby igniting a grass fire -- after the fashion of Los Alamos, e.g. (so it
can be a figurative or literal grass fire) -- that will not only create jobs
for them but keep them and their network of like 'educated' dweebs employed for
the unforeseeable future (as in 'for a loonngg time').  It's like a janitor
arriving at work only to find the place spic and span; ergo, (s)he must then
'manage' and to do this fills up trash cans, dirties windows, messes toilets,
and spills soft drinks all over the linoleum floors or little paper punch dots
all over the carpets.  (S)He then has a job to do.  It's not a matter of 'if it
ain't broke, don't fix it (just tune it up)'; it's more appropriately 'if it
ain't broke, break it THEN fix it'.  And we spend our tax $$$ to support the
NEATO-oid statesmen in their efforts to break things just so they'll have a job
in diplomaticising (fixing, i.e.) them.  A<>E<>R <<<


From
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,319333,00.html

}}>Begin
British deal fuelled Balkan war
Military sale to Slovenia flouted Tory foreign policy
Kosovo: special report
Blaz Zgaga and Antony Barnett
Sunday May 28, 2000

Britain flouted its own foreign policy by approving the sale of millions of
pounds worth of military equipment to a former Yugoslav republic only days
before the outbreak of the bloody Balkans war, The Observer has established.

Eight days before Slovenia became the first area to break from the unified
Yugoslavia in 1991, a British firm delivered communications equipment to the
Slovenian forces to help them fight the Serb-led Yugoslav army.

The revelation that this deal was approved by the Conservative Government will
embarrass former Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd, who was the principal
architect of the West's policy of supporting a unified Yugoslavia. He had
warned the republics to stay in the federation.

Until now, Germany has shouldered the blame for the Balkan tragedy by
prematurely recognising the breakaway republics of Slovenia and Croatia.
Britain's help to Slovenia casts a new light on events.

Labour MP Ann Clwyd, who sits on the House of Commons International Development
Select Committee, said: 'These revelations show once again that the export of
military equipment from Britain needs to be much more rigorously scrutinised.'

After Slovenia declared independence, the Yugoslav army began its military
offensive against the 'rebel' republic. The ensuing 10-day war signalled the
start of the conflicts that ultimately killed hundreds of thousands.

Three months after Britain exported military equipment to Slovenia the United
Nations imposed an arms embargo on the region.

The Observer has obtained details of the multi-million-pound contract between
the Slovenian Defence Ministry and Racal, the British defence and
communications group. A fax dated 29 May, 1991, from one of Racal's military
subsidiaries, Racal Tacticom, to the Slovenian Defence Ministry lists four
batches of tactical military communication equipment worth £5 million.

Racal's communications network played a vital role in helping Slovenia beat the
Serb-led Yugoslav forces. The equipment arrived on 17 June, eight days before
the war of independence began.

Janez Jansa, then Slovenian Defence Minister, praises Britain for its role in
his memoirs. He writes: 'The government of one of the more decent Western
states has, on our request, officially approved the export of mili tary radio
stations with secure data transmission to Slovenia.'

One senior source at Racal Defence Electronics confirmed that it had delivered
the equipment after it received an export licence from the Department of Trade
and Industry. He said the contract was with the 'regional government' of
Slovenia, and the export was for 'the purpose of national defence'.

Misha Glenny, a Balkans expert, said: 'If the British Government was fully
aware of this, it would imply that the Government was covertly operating in
contradiction of its stated policy and aims. It would also shift some of the
responsibility carried by Germany.'

The forme

[CTRL] Therapeutic Groove


From
http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/TopGlobeReview/2527/SAGROW.html

}}>Begin
GROWING UP ON THERAPY
In the past 30 years, it seems like whole generations
of middle-class kids have grown up on the couch. Is this just
good mental health, or are parents abdicating responsibility
and, as one critic complains, 'outsourcing the management'
of their children's personalities?
LEAH McLAREN
The Globe and Mail
Saturday, May 27, 2000

The first time I sat in a therapist's office, I was 7. My parents were getting
divorced, and they wanted to make sure this wouldn't turn my little sister and
I into pregnant, speedfreak teens.

The therapist had a bad perm and a goopy-lipstick smile. She ushered us in,
instructed us to sit on a love seat surrounded by potted fronds, and reassured
us (unnecessarily) that our parents loved us and that nothing -- absolutely
nothing -- was our fault.

Today, in my 20s, I've noticed that most of my friends my age have been in
therapy at one point or another. Some of us were coerced; others went
willingly, even eagerly. One thing is certain: Spending a few sessions on the
proverbial couch has become as common an experience among middle-class urban
and suburban kids as summer camp or tap-dance lessons.
Middle-aged writer Joan Acocella recently said in The New Yorker that for her
generation, "Psychotherapy is not so much an issue as a history. A language in
which they learned to speak of themselves and of life." If therapy is a
language for the baby boomers, it has become a way of life for many of their
children, millions of whom were passed from child psychologists to adolescent
specialists to university mental health clinics throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
Whenever I consider my generation, I think of a T.S. Eliot line: "The whole
earth is our hospital."

Emily Fox Gordon agrees. "It's as if therapy has become the new institution
that structures family," the author of the new, acclaimed memoir Mocking Bird
Years: A Life in and Out of Therapy suggested to me. And she takes a harsh view
of it. "It takes away authority from the parent and ends up infantalizing
everybody."

The numbers are startling. A recent Statistics Canada survey found that in the
past five years, children and young adults aged 12 to 24 have been more likely
to be treated for depression than any other age group. From 1994 to 1995, for
instance, Canadians aged 15 were twice as likely as their 45-year-old
counterparts to report having experienced a depressive episode in the previous
12 months. StatsCan also found that those identified with depression in the
youngest age group are much more likely to have future depressive episodes.
Strangely, this pattern is the reverse of decades past, when depression was
prevalent mostly among older adults. The study goes on to suggest that the
statistical shift occurred in the late 1970s -- around the time the my
generation was entering kindergarten.
And the field of psychology expanded to accommodate our growing melancholia.
(The number of licensed psychologists jumped 52 per cent in Canada between 1982
and 1997.)
During my teens, I watched dozens of my peers drift in and out of therapy.
Eating disorders were rampant at my Toronto high school. We used to joke that
Anorexia/Bulimia 101 was a compulsory course.
It was not this way everywhere. Clare Bergman, a 27-year-old Internet
consultant living in New York City, tells the story of seeing a therapist about
her bulimia during a year she spent in France as a high-school student.

"It was ridiculous," she remembered. "This therapist thought I had indigestion.
I had to explain to her five times, in French, that I was sticking my fingers
down my throat and making myself throw up. France and eating disorders do not
go hand in hand."

But in North America, by the time I hit university, Prozac had become a
ubiquitous presence on campus. The mental-health clinics at both schools I
attended had waiting lists weeks long. The therapist I saw in first year was so
overworked she forgot my name after six months of weekly appointments. Once I
accidentally went on a date with a guy who had the same shrink as me.
Friends in their late teens signed up for couples therapy with their steady
boyfriends or girlfriends when things got rocky. A small handful of the
seriously depressed checked into clinics. Old friends from my year in high
school bumped into each other in the hall of a mental hospital.
For the most part, I am describing a group of young people suffering not
serious chemical imbalances, but the normal pangs of being human. Our teen
angst, childhood shyness and academic anxieties have been pathologized by a
therapy-obsessed culture. It's made us an overly neurotic and inward-looking
generation. The solution? More therapy of course.

Gordon's memoir is a cautionary tale of the potential dangers of growing up
under the lens of psychoanalysis. "I am one of those people -- we're not so
rare -- for whom life has been not so much examined as conducted

[CTRL] Come on Folks - let us please be somehat resembling . . .


Howdy Rowdys,

Tiffs in a bunch?

There are enough frustrations in the world without tossing them around here.

Please let us do place in a little thought into that which we' all post and
not lash out here, Take a deep breath and go yell out the window our
something. The archives are there. I do not delete -it is as is, the good the
bad and the ugly including photos from disgruntled boyfriends and other
"pranksters." And time shows its . . .

Both are long time listers and I am loathe to start being a kindergarten
teacher for adults.

So Edward, please do not use strong profanities in Headlines.
Tis not needed or wanted. Please do not attack people. Yes, Jean can get
testy about her issues but that does still not give license to offend and
attack.

And let us try and understand, that one of the lessons of life is to have to
deal with our frustrations.

Remember a good man, paraphrasing many who came before, said "Do unto others,
as you would do unto them." NOT Expect from others what you would do to them.

And besides that there is the frustrations of an email list and when a person
is gone for awhile they can stack up and I am sure that we all have our own
troubs with keeping up with the volumes of info here and from others sources.
Ya know, ya start reading emails and you may read something and go off the
handle and send out some %^&*( and then read down farther where there was a
typo of something like a not or something being in. There are countless ways
for misunderstandings to be arrived at.

Part of the "blame" for the latest squabbles are mine for not announcing
Mike's new role as an editor.  With Goats work taken much of his time and
others being gone CTRL does need "fodder" for its mill. I am getting busier
and busier with things, I had asked a couple of times and Mike had answered.
He has been on the list for many years and we may not agree on all things -
but then that is not a prerequisite.

Well, enough already, I must go


Happy Holidays.

Ya know, I believe that CTRL is now been around for over four years and
working on five.

Om
K

 And please let us please keep CIVIL. There is a reason for manners.

Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] [TheEagle-L] (no subject) [a teen in Bagdad, Arizona]


JHughes, I sent it to the 535 thugs in D.C.
Do the rest of you have the guts to do the same?

Bard

No more homo sex education.. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm
 Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex

If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the
air,
the person died in battle;
if the horse has 1 front leg in the air,
the person died as a result of wounds received in battle;
if the horse has all four legs on the ground,
the person died of natural causes.

BUCHANAN-Reform
http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm



- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:39 PM
Subject: [TheEagle-L] (no subject)


> > (This was written by a teen in Bagdad, Arizona.
>  >   This is incredible!!!)
>  >
>  >   Now I sit me down in school
>  >   Where praying is against the rule
>  >   For this great nation under God
>  >   Finds mention of Him very odd.
>  >   If Scripture now the class recites,
>  >   It violates the Bill of Rights.
>  >   And anytime my head I bow
>  >   Becomes a Federal matter now.
>  >   Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
>  >   That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
>  >   The law is specific, the law is precise.
>  >   Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
>  >   For praying in a public hall
>  >   Might offend someone with no faith at all.
>  >   In silence alone we must meditate,
>  >   God's name is prohibited by the state.
>  >   We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
>  >   And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
>  >   They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
>  >   To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
>  >   We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
>  >   And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
>  >   It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
>  >   We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.
>  >   We can get our condoms and birth controls,
>  >   Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
>  >   But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
>  >   It's scary here I must confess,
>  >   When chaos reigns the school's a  mess.
>  >   So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
>  >   Should I be shot; My soul please take!
>  >   Amen
>  >
>  >   If you aren't ashamed to do this, please follow the directions.
>  >   Jesus said, " If you are ashamed of me," I will be ashamed of you
>  >   before my Father." Not ashamed  - Pass this on . . . only if you mean
>  >it.
>  >
>  >   Yes, I do Love God. He is my source of existence and Savior. He keeps
me
>  >functioning each and everyday. Without Him, I will be nothing.
>  >
>  >   Without him, I am nothing but with Him I can do all things
through=20=
>  >
>  >>Christ that strengthens me. Phil 4:13
>  >
>  >   This is the simplest test . . . if you Love God, and are not ashamed
>  >   of all the marvelous things he has done for you.
>  >
>  >Send this to ten people  and the person who sent it to you! >>
>
>
>
> 
> Old school buds here:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/6/_/8160/_/959578837/
> 
>
> Visit the EagleNet Website at
>
> http://www.eagle-net.org/eagle-net/
>
> Basic Rules.  No soliciting, no harassment, and no illegal activity. No
more than 5 posts a day. Please keep one liners to a extreme minimum.
>

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[CTRL] Not So Strange Bedfellows


>From http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue377/item9461.asp

}}>Begin

The CIA's Neo-Nazis
by Martin A. Lee
Thursday, May 25, 2000
Comments: 88 posts

In March of this year, on the 62nd anniversary of Nazi Germany's annexation of
Austria, several hundred neo-Nazis paraded through a Turkish neighborhood in
Berlin, shouting anti-foreigner, anti-European and anti-Semitic slogans. They
also sang the banned ultra-nationalist verses of the German national anthem at
a rally organized by the National Democratic Party (NPD), the most radical of
several German far-right political parties. The NPD called for the
demonstration to show its support for Joerg Haider, the charismatic fuehrer of
the Austrian Freedom party, a party that had recently entered that country's
national governing coalition.

Compared to Haider's suit-and-tie fascism, the German NPD represents a much
rougher brand of extremism. Several NPD leaders have served -- or are currently
doing -- jail time for denying the Holocaust. The NPD's closest U.S. ally is
Dr. William Pierce, author of the notorious hate novel, The Turner Diaries,
which the FBI has called "the blueprint for the Oklahoma City bombing." Last
year, Pierce traveled to Germany to attend the NPD's national convention. While
NPD candidates have won a few local council seats in Brandenburg and Saxony,
the party's involvement in electoral politics primarily functions as a legal
cover for grass-roots neo-Nazi cadre-building -- with an emphasis on direct
action, street confrontations and physical attacks against immigrants and anti-
fascists. NPD campaign rallies typically resemble skinhead rock concerts
crammed with rowdy youth.

German neo-Nazis marched through central Berlin >photo<

The CIA's former friend
On May Day, the NPD tried to take its game onto the turf of the Left by staging
"pro-worker" demonstrations in several German cities, including Berlin, where
the star speaker was veteran neo-Nazi agitator Friedhelm Busse. Formerly one of
the youngest members of the Hitler Youth, Busse, 71, roused the crowd with anti-
foreigner and anti-American vitriol that elicited loud cheers from shaven-head
teenagers and 20-somethings who waved illegal imperial German black-and-white
flags. Violence erupted after Busse ended his pep talk with a line from an old
Nazi song: "We're marching for Hitler day and night because of the need for
freedom and bread."

Busse's status as an elder statesman among hard-core neo-Nazis in Germany is
all the more troubling given that his checkered past includes a controversial
stint with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.Back in the early 1950s, Busse
joined the Bund Deutscher Jugend (BDJ), an elite, CIA-trained paramilitary
organization composed largely of ex-Hitler Youth, Wehrmacht and SS personnel in
West Germany. Busse and his fellow Bundists were primed to go underground and
engage in acts of sabotage and resistance in the event of a Soviet invasion.
But instead of focusing on foreign enemies, Busse's "stay behind" unit
proceeded to draw up a death list that included future Chancellor Willi Brandt
and other leading Social Democrats (West Germany's main opposition party), who
were marked for liquidation in case of an ill-defined national security
emergency.

The Bund's cover was blown in October 1952, when the West German press got wind
that U.S. intelligence was backing a neo-Nazi death squad. Embarrassed State
Department officials, who tried to cover up the full extent of American
involvement with the youth group, admitted privately that the scandal had
resulted in "a serious loss of U.S. prestige."

An abhorrent legacy
West German "stay behind" forces quickly regrouped with a helping hand of the
CIA, which recruited thousands of ex-Nazis and fascists to serve as Cold War
espionage assets. "It was a visceral business of using any bastard as long as
he was anti-Communist," explained Harry Rostizke, ex-head of the CIA's Soviet
desk. "The eagerness to enlist collaborators meant that you didn't look at
their credentials too closely."

The key player on the German side of this unholy espionage alliance was Gen.
Reinhard Gehlen, who served as Adolf Hitler's top anti-Soviet spy. During World
War II, Gehlen was in charge of German military-intelligence operations on the
eastern front.

As the war drew to a close, Gehlen sensed that the United States and USSR would
soon be at loggerheads. He surrendered to the Americans and touted himself as
someone who could make a decisive contribution to the impending struggle
against the Communists. Gehlen offered to share the vast information archive he
had accumulated on the USSR.

U.S. spymasters took the bait.
With a mandate to continue spying on the East just as he had been doing before,
Gehlen re-established his espionage network at the behest of American
intelligence. Incorporated into the fledgling CIA in the late 1940s, the Gehlen
"Org," as it was called, became the CIA's main eyes and ears in Central Europe.
De

Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
>
>The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most

>strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis.

What hard evidence?

>
>
>ETs are here and have been

>proven so,

How? What's the proof? A French military report!?!  That's a report,
that's not evidence. Evidence is physical.

>
>What has been disconcerting in monitoring this thread is that the French

>report has been provided, and yet the ET-skeptical members have had no

>visible shift in attitude.

It's not convincing. It's only a report. It's not evidence. It's not even
from a reliable source. Can't you tell the difference between a report and
physical evidence?

>
>The "there are no UFOs or ETs" argument is OVER.

That's not what we're arguing about. I'll say it again since you clearly
didn't get it the first ten times.

(1.) There are definitely UFOs. This is beyond all shadow of doubt.

(2.) There are in all probablitiy more kinds of ETs than we can even
imagine.

(3.) There is no conclusive, forensic evidence that UFOs are of ET origin,
none, zero, zilch, nada. If there was, either you would have presented it
or somebody else would have. You have not, and neither have they.

>

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .


>> 'Simultaneous' means that they all saw it at the same time, during the
>same

>event.  Tell us more about this ONE event where 'thousands' at that one
>time

>saw the same thing...



There are many, many such events. They do not, however, prove an ET origin
for what these people saw. There are a number of equally plausible
alternative explanations.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence/Covert Mimic

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>
> It clearly doesn't matter what I come up with or what anyone else comes
>up

>with.  Period.  You're intractable, which is fine.

This is simply untrue. I'm not intractable at all. What's more, I've been
extremely specific about what exactly you could come up with to convince
me. You have failed to come up with it. Ergo, I'm not convinced. This is
not because I am intractable. This is because you're not  convincing. This
doesn't mean you're not a nice person. For all I know you're a really nice
person. But you're not a very good debater and, you have not presented a
convincing case.

Where is the physical evidence? Where's the ET?
>
>
>
>I've found a few kindred spirits here so I'm happy.

Is that why  you're here? If so, it explains a lot.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .


>
>UFOs game the French fighter jets, and that is an ET

>craft, by the rules of best evidence.



Which rules of evidence, exactly, are you refering to here? Be specific.
Who wrote them? When? Where may I look them up? Cite your source.  What's
the ISBN? On which page are these rules found? What, exactly, do they say?

>
>THAT IS THE CORE OF THE REPORT, NESSIE.

>THE FRENCH ARE REPORTING ON 500 UFO CRAFT THAT BY THE RULES OF BEST
>EVIDENCE

>ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL.


A report is a report. If I report to you that the French were actually
seeing my kid's model planes, does that mean that's what the French saw?
Of course not. A report is a report, nothing more. It's not proof. Show us
some proof, REAL, proof.


>
>
>UFOs gamed my radio talk show in Jackson MISS on May

>14, 2000 -


Tell us about it.

>
>coulda been ETs. Coulda been USA military mimics.


Now that's an objective analysis. That's exactly what I've been saying all
along.

>
>I think it was

>ETs.


That is a wholly credible statement. I believe you when you say this. That
alone doesn't mean that I'm right, but I'll give you the benefit of the
doubt.


>
>UFOs game with people who are ET sensitive.


What exactly does that mean? Are you saying that some people can percieve
UFOs and some can't?

>
> ETs are playing a

>"peripheral cuing" game.  UFO encounters are peripheral cues, mass
>psychology

>enhancers.  Pentagon secret triangular UFOs are gross. ET UFOs are cool.
>ETs

>don't play YOUR game; ETs play THEIR game Capiche?


How do you know this? Did the tell you personally or did you figure it
out? and what exactly, is a "peripheral cuing game"?

><>
>
>
>Nessie - That is false.


So where is he then? Where is the ET? Take me to him. I'll buy the little
sucker a drink and we'll talk it over, him and me. Then I'll come right
back here and tell y'all he's real. That's a promise.

In the meantime, he's a character in a story some people tell, no more, no
less, and that's the way it is. It doesn't mean the story's not true. But
it sure as hell don't mean that it is.
>

BTW, that Italian word you tried to use is spelled:   capiesc'

Really; look it up.
>
>

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