date:20010710


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http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/7/9/224338


NewsMax
Monday July 9, 2001; 11:43 p.m. EDT


Condit Girlfriend Saw Evidence of Sadomasochistic Sex

A lawyer for a former girlfriend of California Congressman Gary Condit said
late Monday that she saw evidence in Condit's apartment suggesting he
indulged in sadomasochistic sex practices that could be linked to the
disappearance of 24-year-old Washington, D.C. intern Chandra Levy.

Appearing on Fox News Channel's "The Edge with Paula Zahn," attorney Jim
Robinson -- whose client Anne Marie Smith sent the Levy case into overdrive
a week ago with her bombshell allegation that Condit tried to get her to
lie about their affair -- told Zahn that what she saw frightened her into
thinking she might suffer the same fate as the missing intern.

ZAHN: What was your client so afraid of?

ROBINSON: There's already a missing girl. She didn't want to be the second
one.

ZAHN: Is there something Mr. Condit had said to her that made her feel
threatened about her own personal safety?

ROBINSON: Near the end of their relationship things started to really
disturb Anne Marie. She found what she believed to be Chandra's hair in his
bathroom. She saw other things of a sexual nature that she had nothing to
do with and was wondering what the -- what in the world is going on. And
then this woman disappears. She was terrified.

ZAHN: Can you elaborate for us when you say she discovered things of a
sexual nature that made her nervous? What do you mean by that?

ROBINSON: Apparently there were ties -- neckties tied together, tied
underneath the bed -- as if someone had been tied up in bed. And that had
never happened to my client before. And, apparently, Mr. Condit made a joke
about it, just brushed it off. And (Smith) told me that she was very afraid
for her life at that point.

ZAHN: Just seeing these ties wrapped around the bedpost? Or was there
something else that happened at night that made her nervous?

ROBINSON: She was very concerned about Mr. Condit's veracity near the end
of the relationship.

ZAHN: Now, did the relationship solely end because she suspected he was
involved with another woman? Or was there something else involved here?

ROBINSON: Well, the last time they saw each other was actually in April.
She didn't actually stop talking to Congressman Condit until about a week
and a half ago.

Zahn asked Robinson about his client's charges that Condit had coaxed her
to sign a false affidavit, which she refused to do, then returned to the
sadomasochistic sex shocker.

ZAHN: All right, let's come back to the last time your client described
that she was in Mr. Condit's apartment. She said she discovered what was
long hair and then what appeared to be some sort of -- ah -- perhaps
something indicative of something sadomasochistic that had happened in is
apartment. Ah -- what else did Anne Marie tell you about that?

ROBINSON: She found a new bottle of massage oil that had been used, which
he never used around her. She also knew that the congressman's wife had not
been around for quite some time. And all kinds of different things.

ZAHN: All right. So is she -- and I gotta make sure I understand this this
evening. I mean, other than -- people probably have all kinds of sexual
practices. This obviously was something that she wasn't comfortable with.
Was there something else that she described about his behavior that she
found intimidating or threatening in some way? Or whether it was his
veracity or what you describe as a lack of veracity that was exposed here?

ROBINSON: Ah -- I really don't want to get into it specifically as I've
been asked by criminal investigators not to. But apparently Congressman
Condit had some peculiar sexual fantasies that a normal heterosexual man
does not have. That's her testimony, not mine. And we've been asked not to
talk about that specifically. Um -- you know.

ZAHN: All right. And Jim, I'm obviously not in a position where I can
verify this at this point. There are people who are out there, as you know,
who are out there saying, "OK, Mr. Robinson just left his law practice.
He's trying to get himself some new clients here." What can you say to them
tonight that proves you're not just fishing for some publicity here and
what you're saying isn't true.

ROBINSON: Paula, you know, I went back to law school after being an
investment banker, being a very successful investment banker for 20 years.
I went back for a specific case. That case is now taken care of.
I'm now going back into investment banking. I'm taking on this case for
Anne Marie and it's my only case right now. I'm pro-bono on it. I don't
want to do this for a living. But I've been around the block. I've been on
Wall Street. I was an officer in the Marine Corps.

And I was talking to Anne Marie last night and I said, "Did you call me
because of the fact that I'm a good attorney or I'm an ex-Marine?" And she
said, "I think ex-Marine would be more accur

[CTRL] NM: Chinese Navy preparing to invade Taiwan


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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/9/171703.shtml

General Ding's letter and PLA Defense Industry Directory

http://www.softwar.net/pladir.html

Chinese Navy preparing to invade Taiwan

PLA Navy build-up feared as preluded to war

By Charles R. Smith


The PLA Navy is currently designed not to win at sea but to enable the
Chinese Army to take Taiwan. The PLA Navy is intended to neutralize a U.S.
fleet deployed in distant waters, while supporting a PLA war on Asian soil.

"All they have to do is go 100 miles, not 10,000 miles," stated one
intelligence official that asked not to be identified.

In support of the land-based strategy, the PLA Navy recently acquired two
Russian made Soveremennyy Destroyers armed with nuclear tipped SS-N-22
Sunburn cruise missiles. In addition, China has added two newly built Luhu
and two Luhai destroyers, both armed with C-801 cruise missiles.

However, U.S. Intelligence officials all agree that the future Chinese
threat will come from under the sea. In May, a PLA Navy Ming-class attack
submarine conducted secret underwater operations for more than a month
without being detected by U.S.
forces.

The Ming submarine left the port of Qingdao on the Yellow Sea, opposite
South Korea, and was observed by satellite returning 31 days later. The
diesel-electric Ming class boat is equipped with anti-ship cruise missiles
and can lay advanced torpedo homing mines.

PLA SUBS THREATEN U.S. HOMELAND

More disturbing is the fact that the Ming-class subs will soon be replaced
by a new generation of Chinese nuclear attack submarines designated Type
093. Chinese Type 093 atomic subs could easily prowl off the Pacific and
the Atlantic coasts of the United States. Intelligence officials confirmed
the first Type 093 nuclear attack submarine becomes operational in 2002.

"Looks like the (Type) 093 is an 02 operation," stated the intelligence
official. "The (Type) 094 might be an 04 job."

"The 093 will be a potent attack sub," noted the Pentagon source. "Armed wi
th LACMs (Land Attack Cruise Missiles) the 093 will also be capable of
limited power projection."

The PLA Navy is also building a new class of Type 094 ballistic-missile
submarines. These much larger submarines are similar to the Russian Delta
class missile boats that patrolled off the U.S. coasts during the Cold War.
Each Type 094 is armed with sixteen long-range DF-31 missiles, capable of
showering any city inside the United States with nuclear bombs.

"They will be potent platforms when they emerge," asserted the Pentagon
source.

"The 094 SSBNs will likely be designed to operate from the Yellow Sea area,
which will force the PLAN to focus on the surface ships and aircraft to
defend a 'Bastion' in the Soviet sense as developed by the late Admiral
Sergei Gorshkov."

PLA NAVY INC.

The Chinese military is not the only sea borne force being upgraded by
Beijing. China is also seeking to dominate the commercial waves globally.
China currently has nearly 20% of all export orders for new ships. By 2010,
the China State Shipbuilding Company, or CSSC, will triple yard output and
claim over 50% of global ship commercial construction orders.

Yet, CSSC is owned and operated by the People's Liberation Army Navy. There
is no question that western technical and financing assistance given to
CSSC commercial yards directly improved Chinese warship production.

Since 1990, ten of China's largest yards have acquired western computer
aided design and manufacture software. CSSC is currently using western
built "TRIBON" software to design and produce new warships. Since 1990,
CSSC has introduced a whole new generation of capable Chinese warships
including the Luhu and Luhai class destroyers.

CSSC reports to directly to the PLA unit known as COSTIND or the Commission
on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense. It is worth
noting that in 2000, COSTIND declared shipbuilding a "strategic industry".

COSTIND acquired advanced technology from Europe for the PLA Navy such as
French anti-aircraft systems and German engines for warships. In fact,
German designed diesel MTU-EV493 engines currently power all PLA Navy Song
class submarines. The engines are being built and installed on the advanced
Chinese submarines without license by CSSC.

ADVANCED U.S. SHIP TECHNOLOGY

COSTIND intelligence operations during the 1990s also included access to
advanced ship technology from the United States.
According to 1995 Chinese military documents, signed by COSTIND commanding
General Ding Henggao, China sought to import a vast array of amphibious
U.S. ship building technology.

The documents were obtained by Federal Court order from the U.S.
Commerce Dept. The PLA documents were distributed through General Ding's
personal contact inside the Clinton White House then U.S. Defense Secretary
William Perry.

According to the COSTIND documents, China wanted to buy a "large scale
ocean air cushion vessel with side walls in sea (about 400 pass

[CTRL] NM: Condit: The Noose Tightens


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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/10/72227.shtml


Condit: The Noose Tightens
John LeBoutillier
Tuesday July 10, 2001


It should be getting harder for Gary Condit to swallow this morning.
The Feds are clearly circling him - and getting ready to escalate the
pressure.

1) The 'Flight Attendant" - Anne Marie Smith - and her lawyer are jetting
into Ronald Reagan National Airport today to sit down with the US Attorney.
That means that this will ultimately be a Federal case.

It also means that the US Attorney may be eyeing an indictment for
obstruction of justice. That indictment would enable authorities to really
get a total look at Condit: phone records, bank records, search his car and
any cars he may have borrowed and search his apartment.

Even though Abbe Lowell says that Condit will turn over anything the
cops/Feds ask for, you can bet your bippy that he will fight hard not to
turn over anything incriminating.

For example, we now learn that right up to last week Condit has been on the
phone to Anne Marie urging/begging/threatening her not to cooperate with
authorities. Does this sound like someone ready to "cooperate fully" with
the investigation?

2) Her latest revelation that Condit is "into" deviant, auto erotic sex
only
makes him more likely to be involved in Chandra Levy's disappearance.

3) Which brings us to the case of Joyce Chang. You may recall that in May,
when Chandra's disappearance first made the news, there were stories about
Chang's disappearance from the same neighborhood two years ago. Her brother
led a candle light vigil for his late sister, whose body was found months
after her disappearance floating in the Potomac River. No one has ever been
arrested in this case.

This case was briefly mentioned on Meet The Press on Sunday. But, it turns,
out Chang was also an intern. She worked for Congressman Howard Berman -
also a Democrat from California.

Could it be that Condit knew Chang?

Could there be a serial killer in the House?

Are the Feds trying to link these two cases?

4) Despite the TV chatter about the so-called ineptitude of the DC cops on
this case, there is now so much media attention that the investigating
authorities are totally focused on this case.

5) And, if the Bush/Ashcroft Justice Department has its act in gear, they
should smell blood in the water here. If the truth forces Condit to resign
his seat, the GOP can win it in a special election. That district has a
conservative bent and has been Condit's only because of his long career
there. But in a House with a tiny majority for the Republicans, every seat
counts. Picking up that seat - in a state now completely dominated by the
Democrats - would be a great coup for the Republicans.

6) The Chandra Levy Case also is a marvelous example of the power of the
media - especially the three all-news cable networks. Led by the Fox News
Channel, the cable nets have propelled this case into the hearts and minds
of millions of Americans who otherwise would never have heard of Chandra or
Condit. Even the three broadcast networks - slow to get going on this
story - have lately joined the fray.

If this case is ever to be solved, it will be because the media forced it
down the throats of a reluctant, lazy, diffident and indifferent law
enforcement establishment in Washington.

Let us all pray for Chandra - and for the truth.

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[CTRL] NYP: Condit's "unnamed ABC reporter/analyst" named


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Speculation as to who is this ABC reporter/analyst can be found on this FR
thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b4b09ff60d9.htm

She is a former managing editor of The Cook Report (tracked congressional
races) -- left in Feb. 1998 and now congressional/political reporter for
ABC News. A May 16, 2000 Washington
Post article says she "just bought a condominium" in Adams-Morgan, the same
area as that Condit lives and that Tryst is located.

###

New York Post
July 7, 2001

ABC Reporter Dated Condit

By Niles Lathem


WASHINGTON - The day after intern Chandra Levy disappeared, Rep. Gary
Condit was out on the town with another woman, The Post has learned.

The woman - who works for ABC News - has told colleagues she had dated the
married California Democrat and still remained friends with him, two
sources at the network said.

The Post is withholding the journalist's identity.

She is an attractive, well-liked and hard-working off-air reporter at ABC
News whose lengthy association with Condit so concerned her network bosses
that they barred her from working on the Levy story when she offered to
land the elusive Condit for an interview.

The woman has not been questioned by police, and she declined comment to
The Post.

ABC News spokesman Todd Polks said the reporter told her bosses she has had
a "professional friendship, not a romantic relationship" with Condit that
goes back many years. She says they met on May 2 to discuss the California
energy crisis.

The meeting took place during a rare Washington visit by Condit's wife, who
was waiting at the couple's D.C. apartment.

Polks said Condit has been a "source" of the reporter's on political issues
for years.

According to a timeline of Condit's activities in the week Levy vanished
provided by his staff, he had drinks with an unidentified journalist in his
favorite D.C. hangout - a café named Tryst - before going home for dinner
with his wife, Carolyn.

Levy's family has charged Condit was Chandra's mysterious boyfriend, but
the congressman has denied they were romantically involved.

Flight attendant Anne Marie Smith has also claimed she was having an affair
with Condit.

Marina Ein, a public relations specialist hired by Condit's lawyer, said
she knows of no links between Condit and the reporter.

"His personal life has zero to do with Chandra's disappearance," Ein said.

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[CTRL] JW: JW FILES HOUSE ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST CONGRESSMAN


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
7/10/2001
Press Office
202-646-5172


JUDICIAL WATCH FILES HOUSE ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST CONGRESSMAN GARY CONDIT

Public Interest Group Calls For His Reprimand and Resignation

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that
investigates and prosecutes public abuse and corruption, today will file an
ethics complaint before the House of Representatives Ethics Committee
against Congressman Gary Condit.

"It is clear Congressman Condit lied about his relationship with Chandra
Levy to the police, the media and others. In addition, as a U.S.
Congressman, and as a human being, Congressman Condit owed a duty and
responsibility to do whatever he could to help the Levy family find
Chandra. Rather than doing this, he put his own interests first and
foremost and covered up his relationship - thereby depriving the police of
vital information necessary to find the still missing young lady. The
evidence also shows the Congressman may have suborned perjury. As a result,
he has brought discredit upon the House of Representatives and should be,
at a minimum, reprimanded. However, under the circumstances, the right
thing for Mr. Condit to do is to simply resign," stated Judicial Watch
President Tom Fitton.

"The conduct of the D.C. Police Department has also been reprehensible,
insofar as it has protected Mr. Condit and not treated him as a suspect in
the Chandra Levy investigation. It shows how there is a dual-class society
in the United States; politicians have become the new American nobility who
can act and be treated as if they are above the law - while the rest of the
American people are treated as second-class citizens. Accordingly, Judicial
Watch will be filing a complaint against the D.C. Police Department and
will also take appropriate action against its officials for their
dereliction of duty," added Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel
Larry Klayman.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Psychiatric agenda 'set by drug firms'

2001-07-10 Thread tenebroust


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All relationships that have a monetary benefit for the doctors are, in my opinion, bad 
for the public because it sets up a system whereby the treatment is pushed which would 
benefit the prescriber.  I think it should be illegal.


On Tue, 10 July 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:

>

"Welcome to the desert of the real."  Morpheus, in The Matrix

"My God it's full of stars!"  Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space
Odyssey
Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
http://www.shopping.altavista.com

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[CTRL] Fwd: FW: [Blacksoil] Fwd: Bush-Nazi connection documented by US Justice Depts' John Loftus









>From: "Carl E. Olsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Tom Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "Jeff Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Robert Lawrence"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: FW: [Blacksoil] Fwd:  Bush-Nazi connection documented by US
>Justice Depts' John Loftus
>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:54:22 -0500
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: *Hempress Ahava Hamer* [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:38 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Blacksoil] Fwd: Bush-Nazi connection documented by US Justice
>Depts' John Loftus
>
>Because we now have all this info in cyber, they are going to began
>to treat us like The Intel'ligent Hebrews we have always been to
>them~ The Dicktatorship is truly now in session and aint no just'us
>here anymore~
>
>Fidal,, help us!
>
>
>
>Hempress*)0(*
>
>
>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Lederman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>John Loftus is a former US Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes Prosecutor, a
>highly regarded author and head of the Flordia Holocaust Museum
>The Dutch Connection:
>
>How a famous American family made its fortune from the Nazis
>
>by Attorney John Loftus
>3560 Coquina Key Drive SE
>St. Petersburg, FL 33705
>
>
>For the Bush family, it is a lingering nightmare. For their Nazi
>clients, the Dutch connection was the mother of all money laundering
>schemes. From 1945 until 1949, one of the lengthiest and, it now
>appears, most futile interrogations of a Nazi war crimes suspect
>began in the American Zone of Occupied Germany. Multibillionaire
>steel magnate Fritz Thyssen-the man whose steel combine was the cold
>heart of the Nazi war machine-talked and talked and talked to a joint
>US-UK interrogation team. For four long years, successive teams of
>inquisitors tried to break Thyssen's simple claim to possess neither
>foreign bank accounts nor interests in foreign corporations, no
>assets that might lead to the missing billions in assets of the Third
>Reich. The inquisitors failed utterly.
>
>Why? Because what the wily Thyssen deposed was, in a sense, true.
>What the Allied investigators never understood was that they were
>not> asking Thyssen the right question. Thyssen did not need any
>foreign
>bank accounts because his family secretly owned an entire chain of
>banks. He did not have to transfer his Nazi assets at the end of
>World War II, all he had to do was transfer the ownership documents -
>stocks, bonds, deeds and trusts-from his bank in Berlin through his
>bank in Holland to his American friends in New York City: Prescott
>Bush and Herbert Walker. Thyssen's partners in crime were the father
>and father-in-law of a future President of the United States.
>
>The allied investigators underestimated Thyssen's reach, his
>connections, his motives, and his means. The web of financial
>entities Thyssen helped create in the 1920's remained a mystery for
>the rest of the twentieth century, an almost perfectly hidden
>underground sewer pipeline for moving dirty money, money that
>bankrolled the post-war fortunes not only of the Thyssen industrial
>empire...but the Bush family as well. It was a secret Fritz Thyssen
>would take to his grave.
>
>It was a secret that would lead former US intelligence agent William
>Gowen, now pushing 80, to the very doorstep of the Dutch royal
>family. The Gowens are no strangers to controversy or nobility. His
>father was one of President Roosevelt's diplomatic emissaries to Pope
>Pius XII, leading a futile attempt to persuade the Vatican to
>denounce Hitler's treatment of Jews. It was his son, William Gowen,
>who served in Rome after World War II as a Nazi hunter and
>investigator with the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps. It was
>Agent Gowen who first discovered the secret Vatican Ratline for
>smuggling Nazis in 1949. It was also the same William Gowen who began
>to uncover the secret Dutch pipeline for smuggling Nazi money in
>1999.
>
>A half-century earlier, Fritz Thyssen was telling the allied
>investigators that he had no interest in foreign companies, that
>Hitler had turned on him and seized most of his property. His
>remaining assets were mostly in the Russian Occupied Zone of Germany
>(which he knew were a write-off anyway). His distant (and disliked)
>relatives in neutral nations like Holland were the actual owners of a
>substantial percentage of the remaining German industrial base. As
>innocent victims of the Third Reich, they were lobbying the allied
>occupation governments in Germany, demanding restitution of the
>property that had been seized from them by the Nazis.
>
>Under the rules of the Allied occupation of Germany, all property
>owned by citizens of a neutral nation which had been seized by the
>Nazis had to be returned to the neutral citizens upon proper
>presentation of documents showing proof of ownership. Suddenly, all
>sorts of neutral parties, particularly in Holland, were claiming
>ownership of various pieces of the Thyssen empire. In his cell, Fritz
>

Re: [CTRL] Chappaquiddick - July 1969: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!!!

2001-07-10 Thread tenebroust


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Sounds like a very credible scenario that I have heard the gyst of before.  It seems 
to be the only way that he could have been done away with without too much attention 
being drawn to all the deaths.  Ruin his political career and make him a no show in 
the president's race.  I'm no fan of Ted, but it sure seems to me that there is a lot 
fishy about the whole Chappaquiddick thing.



On Tue, 10 July 2001, Nessie wrote:

>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> From the transcript of the Fourth Reich in America conference, held in
> SF in '88, organized by yours truly and friends:
>
>
> Audience Member: Can you say just a few words about the Chappaquiddick
> incident?
>
> John Judge: Yes. Ted Kennedy was not in the car. Hard evidence clearly
> shows that the car went off the ramp at a tremendously high rate of
> speed. And the door on Kennedy's side was crushed shut. It was still
> locked. I don't think he'd bother to lock it on the way out under water.
> The window was still rolled up. He had no way to get out of the car. He
> had no wet clothes, in the hotel room. That was the testimony of the
> maid who cleaned up. He was seen on the island in a good mood that
> morning. I talked to people who said the place was crawling with
> Committee to Re-Elect the President people. Tom Valaszcwitz, in his
> testimony, said that he went up to the island several days before, with
> fake press credentials, to ask embarrassing questions of Ted. About
> what? Several days before? And he doesn't show up at any of the press
> conferences.
>
> In the Watergate testimony, there is reference to Operation Sand Wedge,
> and ten thousand dollars given to Valaszcwitz that summer, by Caulfield.
> And they never ask, "What is Sand Wedge?" I think it's putting the
> Oldsmobile in the sand.
>
> It was meant to take out Ted Kennedy's election chances. But I think
> they knew, that if they had yet another lone assassin, for the third
> Kennedy, that would be the end of the string, in terms of the public
> credibility. So instead they set him up, in, I think, a very clever way.
>
>
> They drugged him at the party. Slipped a "mickey" into the drink. He
> left with Mary Jo Koepechne. Now, they portray her as just this sort of
> little nobody, a secretary, who happened to be in the car, or maybe Ted
> was having an affair with her. She came from a group of political
> secretaries known as the "Boiler Room Girls." Some of them are still in
> top positions in the media and other places. And they were traveling in
> the political circles, and working for different people. Mary Jo worked
> for Sen. George Smathers, Bebe Rebozo's financial and personal friend
> down there, who was actually an enemy of the Kennedy's. There was this
> famous scene where Smathers attempted to get John Kennedy to kill
> Castro, to continue the assassination attempts, and Kennedy broke a
> plate on the table at this dinner. It's kind of famous, it's in most of
> the Kennedy books, Thousand Days, and other places. And he said, "We're
> not going to have any more of that talk."
>
> And, Smathers, you know, was certainly more in the Nixon camp, with
> Rebozo, and the filthy money, Dade county, Bob Maheu (who went out and
> got the Mafia assassins involved originally, that helped to kill
> Kennedy), and that crowd. So, she came from there, and the two
> secretaries who worked with her at the time, and she roomed with one of
> them, were also closely involved. Carol Tyler, who she roomed with,
> disappeared in a plane crash. She had been Bobby Baker's secretary. You
> remember this big scandal during the Johnson administration, about Bobby
> Baker and the wheeling and dealing? And Baker had been part of an
> international gambling ring, between Cuba and the United States, that
> was called the "Syndicate." It wasn't the whole national crime
> syndicate, but it was a little Havana, Cuba bunch. Lansky's had ties
> with it, McClaney and others. People that had the arms at Lake
> Pontchartraine in New Orleans, Cubans that were tied with Oswald, people
> around the Kennedy assassination. In Torbitt's document, Nomenclature of
> an Assassination Cabal, that group, "Syndicate," is one of the 5 groups
> named, because it was the main one that funnelled money on Kennedy's
> head from the mob out of Florida and up through Chicago, and then into
> Dallas. And it's in Flammonde's book, Kennedy Conspiracy, and other
> places.
>
> So, the other secretary working with Mary Jo at the time, had been the
> personal secretary to Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club. And remember,
> Bobby Baker called his place in Ocean City the Carousel Club. His motel
> up there, you know.
>
> So, she didn't come from nowhere. She was also the last person to see
> the physical evidence in the Robert Kennedy file before it was locked
> up, down in Los Angeles. She knew quite a deal.
>
> I think she was brought out thinking that she was setting Ted up to be
> killed. And at the last moment they pulled the s

Re: [CTRL] Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps

2001-07-10 Thread tenebroust


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I really fail to see why these camps are still making their way around the conspiracy 
culture.  It seems to me that something of that magnitude would be kept strictly 
covert and would not expect to see any evidence of them.  When you see something it 
probably is something else.  Though I don't doubt they exist somewhere in some 
capacity.



On Tue, 10 July 2001, Michael Pugliese wrote:

>
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> www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&[EMAIL PROTECTED]&btnG=Google+S
> earch
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps
> Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
> (This is the only article in this thread)
> Date: 1999/05/03
>
>
>
>
> (sent to USCMike1's 31,085+ readers - please repost to your own mailing
> lists)
>
> Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al.:
>
>Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for expressing his doubts about the Clinton's
> Civilian Concentration Camps.  Please read my response to him and his post
> immediately below my response.
>
> USCMike1
>
>
> Dear Steven:
>
>   Thank you for your response and comments.  It is literally impossible for
> me to personally verify all 300+ or 700+ s.  And even when some one does
> in fact find one they derrogatorily report that there is NO activity there
> and no sign of civilian prisoners there.
>
> So even with "proof" people still refuse to believe.  They keep
> forgetting that these s are being setup, planned, prepared, lying in
> wait, or being merely designated for later use.  Guess we will have to just
> wait until those on the GREEN list are picked up and shoved into them.  Then
> what good does it do to issue any warning ahead of time?
>
>Probably these very same people will still deny their existence by saying
> "Well, you can't prove these are s just because the feds put me into one
> under legal court procedings, but for a different reason than what you say
> they are for.
>
>   If people can't heed an honest warning then too bad.  There are none so
> blind as those who will not see.  None so ignorant as those who will not
> understand.  None so asleep as those who will not wake up.
>
> USCMike1
>
> Subj: Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps
> Date: 4/26/99 9:18:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> From: mailto:Steven1997";>Steven1997
> To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: mailto:RBerbill";>RBerbill,  HREF="mailto:USCMike1";>USCMike1
> 
>
> Hi David:  I am also very skeptical of these reports.
>
> We are old neighbors: Northbrook, right on the border of Wheeling.  My
> brother, Bill  is an exec with a Northbrook-based radio station -- even has
> his own radio show (see Rebel Radio on the Internet).  If you get any solid
> proof of any concentration camps which are being planned for innocent
> Americans, just let me know and I will see if he wants to run a story on the
> air ... OK.
>
> I will also copy Bill on this e-mail.
>
> Steven
> +
> Date: 4/26/99 8:22:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is starting now.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] claims he
> has verified that one of the FEMA "Relocation Centers" which I refer to as
> Clinton's Civilian Concentration Camps - will be used to incarcerate
> innocent
> civilians - although this is probably just a trial run.
>
> There are claimed to be at least 300+ camps and possibly even up to 700+
> camps nationwide.  The feds just want to get us used to the idea of
> civilians
> being placed in these camps, then after the first shock, to be readily
> forgotten so we can go back to our mindless daily existences.  Then as we
> are
> individually carted off into these 's it will just be another fact of
> life that we were so meticulously prepared for.
>
> OBTW, this is for Wolfs1776 - as far as I know, there is ONLY ONE
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] by the name of Michael Johnson and that is me and there
> should be NO other people who are parading around as USCMike1.  I don't know
> where Wolfs1776 ever got that idea, unless there is someone impersonating me
> trying to discredit me.
>
> Thanks again, folks for listening
>
> Please read Wolfs1776 post below for the story on innocent civilians to be
> incarcerated in one of Clinton's Civilian Concentrations Camps.
>
> USCMike1
>
> In a message dated 4/26/99 1:11:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, WoLfS1776
> writes:
>
>  Date: 4/26/99 1:11:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>  From: mailto:WoLfS1776";>WoLfS1776
>  To: mailto:USCMike1";>USCMike1
>
>  In a message dated 99-04-24 13:27:58 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>   Okay, I said that when I learned that there *are* "concentration camps"
>   and that people *were* to be herded into them. I would go "on the air" and
>   publicly acknowledge the fact.
>
>   Well, "USCMike1" (however-many people are actually masquerading as someone

[CTRL] Spite House: The Last Secret of the War in Vietnam


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Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
In 1965, 10 days short of the end of his tour of duty in Vietnam, private
Robert Garwood was sent by a captain assigned to military intelligence to
drive out to China Beach to pick up an officer, drive him to an airstrip, and
return to the base. Garwood carried only a sidearm to protect himself from
the enemy. On that fateful mission, Private Garwood was ambushed and captured
by a Vietcong patrol. The captain, embarrassed by his misjudgment, lied about
sending Garwood on the assignment, and the captured Marine was reported AWOL
and listed as a possible deserter.

So began the unimaginable 14-year imprisonment of Robert Garwood, who
survived the cruel treatment at the hands of his captors and finally escaped
in 1979, only to be court-martialed as a traitor upon his return to the
United States. As remarkable as Garwood's survival was, author Monika
Jensen-Stevenson reveals an even more incredible story that the U.S. Marine
Corps would never want revealed. Jensen-Stevenson exposes the operations of
an elite group of Marines assigned to hunt down and kill Garwood behind enemy
lines, a story disclosed to the author by the repentant Colonel who led the
assassination team. Jensen-Stevenson lays bare the deceit of both the
Vietnamese and the U.S. governments and the remarkable heroism of a simple
soldier who survived the worst treatment imaginable of both the enemy and his
own country. This is a shocking story certain to surprise readers who thought
they had already heard the most heinous stories of the Vietnam War. --This
text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Amazon.com
This book uses impressive spadework to tell the story of what its subtitle
calls "the last secret of the war in Vietnam," namely, what really happened
in the case of Marine Private Bobby Garwood, the last soldier to return from
the war alive. He returned in 1979, after 14 years missing in action.
Jensen-Stevenson, a former Sixty Minutes producer, managed to get on the recor
d people who have spent years staying off it: several well-placed military
intelligence figures and Garwood... read more
 See all editorial reviews...


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 Stupid fabrication, March 29, 2001
Reviewer: Richard Vidaurri (see more about me)  from Los Angeles, CA United
States
Didn't Jensen-Stevenson read Frank Anton's "Why Didn't You Get Me Out?
Apparently not. Anton and other American POWs held in South Vietnamses jungle
camps have vividly described Garwood as an armed prison trustee,
collaborator, traitor and all-around bad guy. How can anyone make this creep
out to be a victim?
Richard Vidaurri, Once upon a time of the Americal Division --This text
refers to the Hardcover edition.




 A Very Disturbing Story of the Injustice Suffered by One Man, August 20,
2000
Reviewer: Willis Su (see more about me)  from San Francisco, California USA
I had happened upon this book by accident, whilest browsing the local
bookstore shelves. Never will I have thought how disturbing a story I had
purchased on that day. The author did a very comprehensive research to puzzle
together the tragic tale of USMC Pvt. Robert Garwood. Even if you can fault
the author's way of writing, there's no way you can fault Bobby's story. It
can only be summed up in one word, and that is "disturbing". For a few days I
was glued to his story, some times crying for the touching moments that Bobby
spent in prison camps, other times of Bobby's encounter with his father after
14 years in captivity. All this time, however, I became more and more
absorbed into this tale, and became increasingly disturbed of the injustice
and torment that one can suffer from one's enemy as well as his own country.
After reading the book one night, I had dreams in which I was desparate to
warn Garwood of his impending doom. This story is THAT powerful.
This book may suffer from some technical research errors, such as the
acronyms of units involved during the war (MACSOG vs. MACV-SOG), as well as
equipment details (.22 silenced Colt Pythons don't exist, it was actually .22
High Standard silenced pistol). These details make one suspicious of th

[CTRL] Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA (Chappaquiddick-July,1969)

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The crimes of the CIA are many...they do a lot more than simply spying and drug
trafficking. Not only do they kill their political enemies, sometimes they simply 
*frame*
them. Would Ted Kennedy have ever become president if Chappaquiddick had never
hapened? The following information is from Charles A. Schlund:

From: chuck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: The Framing of Ted Kennedy at
Chappaquiddick Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: 2001-06-26 23:12:44 PST

The following letter is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick for the
death of Mary Joe to stop him from ever running for present of the United States.

Ted Kennedy. In the CIA files in the Don Bolles papers was the files on the framing of
Ted Kennedy for the death of Marry Joe Kopechne at Chappaquiddick by the CIA. In
the CIA files that George Bush had removed from the CIA was Ted Kennedy's file.

After the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy and framed Oswald for the
assassination and after the CIA had assassinated Robert Kennedy and framed Sirhan
Sirhan for the assassination they needed a way of stopping the last Kennedy brother
from ever running for the presidency of the United States. They believed that if they
killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all the brothers so the CIA
decided to allow him to live and to discredit him to stop him from being reelected by
framing him at Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne. By doing this the
CIA planned on stopping him from ever becoming president of the United States of
America. The following is how the CIA framed Ted kennedy for the death of Mary Joe
Kopechne at Chappaquiddick.

I no longer remember all of the details because of the constant electronic torture of 
me
which is still being used against me to limit my freedom of speech and damage my
memory and ability to write using electronic torture and sleep deprivation. The 
following
 is what I still can remember while I'm being kept disabled and in a electronically
drugged state. Ted Kennedy and the other couple were at the cabin and Ted Kennedy
and Mary Jo Kopechne were getting ready to leave. The CIA had drugged one of the
bottles that they were drinking from. I do not remember all the details but I do
remember that the bottle had a drug put into it which would result in Ted Kennedy and
Mary Joe Kopechne becoming unconscious after drinking from drinks poured from the
bottle. I remember that just before they left they all drank a drink that had been 
poured
from the bottle. I believe it was a toast.

Ted Kennedy and the May Joe Kopechne left and started back with Ted driving. On the
 road on the way back was barricades and a detour sign that the CIA had put into place
 directing Ted down the road they needed him on to conduct their planed murder of
Mary Joe. The CIA had positioned one car ahead of Ted's car and another car was
behind him. As soon as Ted entered the detour the CIA moved the barricades to block
off where he had turned down so no else could come down the road until after they had
taken over Ted and his car. Ted was monitored the entire time by the CIA. Mary Joe
had passed out from the drug and Ted was starting to pass out. The CIA car in front of
Ted's car slowed down so they could use their car to stop Ted's car from crashing as
Ted passed out. This worked fine and they were able to stop Ted's car. After they got
the car stopped they took Mary Joe and placed her in the back seat and took Ted to
the other car. Then two CIA operatives replaced Ted and Mary Joe with the man in the
driver seat and a women operative replacing Mary Joe in the front seat. Then all three
cars proceeded to the bridge and as they drove they called back by radio and the gave
 the orders in code to remove the barricades.

The constable for that area was one of the CIA operatives in charge of the operation. I
still see him on TV saying how Ted got away with murder. This constable was the
person that set up the car to go off the bridge which resulted in the death of Mary 
Joe.
He first prepared everything to make it look like Ted and her were having an affair and
that was why they turned down that road. They were not having an affair. When they got
to the bridge they set up the car to send it off the bridge with Mary Joe still in the 
car.

The drug they had used was a special drug that would not show up in the autopsy
report because she would never be tested for that drug. They had also planned on her
stomach being full of water after the crash. After rigging the gas pedal and steering 
and
 sending the car off the bridge the car would not sink and floated nose down in the
water  and

[CTRL] NM: Roger Clinton's Drunk-driving Alibi Unraveling


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With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

For the story behind the story...


Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:20 a.m. EDT

Roger Clinton's Drunk-driving Alibi Unraveling


As recently as last month, former first brother Roger Clinton's attorney
Mark Geragos was boasting on national TV that audiotapes of radio
dispatches would prove Hermosa Beach, Calif., police set his client up on
drunk-driving charges on Feb. 17.

But on Monday Geragos told a California judge that the cops stopped talking
on the radio that night so no one would hear them plotting against Clinton
on police scanners. Instead, he said, police tried to conceal their plot to
set up the former first brother by using their personal cell phones.

Geragos had already requested and received records for Hermosa cops'
official cell phones, according to a report in Tuesday's Daily Breeze, the
local California paper covering the case in detail.

But apparently those records weren't enough to show evidence of the
anti-Clinton plot Geragos imagines - so he asked Superior Court Judge Jesse
Rodriguez to order Hermosa Beach PD to turn over records for officers'
personal cell phones.

According to the Daily Breeze, "It's not clear if any officers used their
personal cellular phones that night. Three officers used city-issued
phones."

Needless to say, whatever evidence Clinton's attorney finds in the reams of
cell phone records he now wants, it won't include audiotapes of the cops'
conversations - recordings he suggested, just two weeks ago, would prove
their plot to nail Roger.

On June 21, when the Los Angeles lawyer and his client appeared on CNN's
"Larry King Live," King asked Geragos, "Do you think he's going to lick
this [DUI charge]?

"Do I think he's going to lick this?" Geragos shot back. "Once I got hold
of that tape ... where they - and you heard the tape, I just am
hard-pressed to see how anybody is going to say ... "

Say what? Geragos didn't finish the thought.

But in May the lawyer was more specific, telling the Daily Breeze that his
tapes showed that Hermosa Beach police had engaged in "vindictive or
retaliatory prosecution" of Roger Clinton.

So where are these allegedly damning tapes? Why haven't we heard the
smoking gun proof of a conspiracy to persecute the former first brother?
Turns out, Geragos is refusing to release his recordings.

But he told reporters covering Clinton's May drunk-driving hearing that the
tapes included the following conversation:

"There he goes, do you recognize him?

"Does he have Secret Service protection?"

"No, but his brother sure does."

How this snippet even suggests, let alone proves, a police plot to set up
Roger Clinton on phony drunk-driving charges is anybody's guess -
especially after he failed two breathalizer tests immediately after his
2:30 a.m. arrest.

And the tapes, or at least the portion of them Geragos has revealed, would
seem to have no bearing whatsoever on the altercation Clinton got into with
a local bar bouncer 40 minutes before cops pulled his weaving Ford
Expedition over.

Staff at Hermosa Beach's Lighthouse Bar had refused to serve Clinton, who
responded by allegedly challenging the bouncer to a fight and boasting,
"I'll kick your ass."

The hunt by Roger's lawyer for ever more cell phone records makes it
apparent his tapes won't prove what he said they would. Still, Geragos had
his client plead not guilty Monday.

Roger Clinton's drunk-driving trial is set to begin on August 7 - if he
isn't indicted on Pardongate charges first.


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[CTRL] Utah man claims free expression in sodomy case


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Utah man claims free expression in sodomy case

The Associated Press

SALT LAKE CITY (July 10, 2001 3:38 p.m. EDT) - Arguing that an anti-sodomy law
violates his right of free expression, a man charged for having oral sex with a 
16-year-
old girl is fighting prosecution.

He is the first person to be charged under Utah's anti-sodomy laws since 1990, and his
may be the first consensual sodomy case in more than 15 years. A hearing was
scheduled for next week.

Derrick Sundquist was 19 when he was charged last year with misdemeanor sodomy.

In Utah, a 16-year-old may have consensual sex with a person who is no more than four
years older.

Sodomy was outlawed in Utah even for married couples until 1977, when the law was
changed to apply only to unmarried people. It is punishable by up to six months in jail
and a $1,000 fine.

If the girl was younger than 16 or Sundquist was older than 20, he could have faced
felony charges of sodomy of a child, which are more common and not in dispute, said
attorney Brian Barnard, who has filed a brief supporting Sundquist on behalf of the
Utah Civil Rights and Liberties Foundation.

In recent years, Utah judges have dismissed lawsuits challenging sodomy and
fornication laws, saying that because people are seldom prosecuted, plaintiffs are not
in imminent danger of going to jail for having sex.

Sundquist was charged after the girl told police about the consensual sex in American
Fork, 30 miles south of Salt Lake City.

His attorney, Laura Cabanilla, has filed a motion to dismiss the charge, arguing the 
law
is an unconstitutional violation of her client's right of free expression.

Tucker Hansen, city attorney for American Fork, did not return calls seeking comment.


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[CTRL] WSJ: You Heard It Here First: Condit Rule #4: Never bring ID to my apartment (fwd)

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Subject: Condit Rule #4: Never bring ID to my apartment

We happened to be in Washington over the weekend, and we noted another
interesting detail, apparently unreported elsewhere, on Friday's 11 o'clock
news on WUSA-TV. A reporter for the station, who said he had interviewed
Chandra's aunt Linda Zamsky, quoted her as saying that one of the rules
Condit imposed on his relationship with the intern was that she was not to
bring identification when she visited his apartment. As everyone knows,
Chandra's ID was found in her apartment.

One more intriguing bit. Philadelphia's KYW Newsradio yesterday carried the
following report on its Web site: "CBS is reporting that Chandra Levy told
a friend before her disappearance that she had made a doctor's appointment.
When pressed on what the appointment was for, Levy said she might be
pregnant." The story does not, however, seem to appear anywhere on the CBS
News Web site.

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BEST OF THE WEB

BY JAMES TARANTO
Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:21 p.m. EDT

You Heard It Here First

On Friday we suggested that Rep. Gary Condit invite police to search his
Washington apartment. Yesterday, through his lawyer, Abbe Lowell, Condit
did just that, and today District of Columbia police said they'd take him
up on the offer. Lowell also volunteered to provide a sample of the
congressman's DNA, though the usefulness of that at this point seems
doubtful, given the lack of physical evidence in Chandra Levy's
disappearance.

Lowell refuses, however, to agree to the Levy family's demand that his
client take a polygraph test. The "lie detector" is something of a red
herring; the science behind polygraphs is dubious and results are seldom
admissible in court. We're guessing what the Levy family is really after is
to have Condit submit to questioning by their lawyer--and it's not
surprising Condit would resist.

Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live" last night, the Levys' lawyer, Billy
Martin, said Condit lied to Chandra's mother, Susan, when she called him on
May 1 or 2 (Chandra was last seen April 30):

They called Congressman Condit at his office, spoke to Congressman Condit,
and a very deep and moving question was asked by Sue Levy as she
desperately tried to find her daughter.

"Congressman Condit, do you know where my daughter is? And more
importantly, have you had an affair or were you having an affair with her?"
Larry, he lied. He misrepresented his relationship. He told her no.

On yesterday's "Special Report With Brit Hume," Fox News's Rita Cosby,
who's been leading the pack in reporting the Condit story, offered this
report of an early conversation between Condit and Mrs. Levy:

A Levy relative tells Fox News that in a conversation on May 3 or May 4,
before Susan Levy even suspected Chandra was missing, Mrs. Levy called
Condit, wondering if her daughter was at his apartment or went out of town
for a few days. The relative says the answer Mrs. Levy got stunned and
alarmed her. She asked, quote, "Do you have any idea where she is?"

Condit responded, "No, I don't know where she's at, but I'll put up a
$10,000 reward."

There is some discrepancy between these two accounts. If the call Martin
describes took place on May 1 or 2, then Mrs. Levy must have at least
suspected by May 3 or 4 that Chandra was missing. It may be that both
accounts refer to the same phone conversation and one of them got the date
wrong.

We happened to be in Washington over the weekend, and we noted another
interesting detail, apparently unreported elsewhere, on Friday's 11 o'clock
news on WUSA-TV. A reporter for the station, who said he had interviewed
Chandra's aunt Linda Zamsky, quoted her as saying that one of the rules
Condit imposed on his relationship with the intern was that she was not to
bring identification when she visited his apartment. As everyone knows,
Chandra's ID was found in her apartment.

One more intriguing bit. Philadelphia's KYW Newsradio yesterday carried the
following report on its Web site: "CBS is reporting that Chandra Levy told
a friend before her disappearance that she had made a doctor's appointment.
When pressed on what the appointment was for, Levy said she might be
pregnant." The story does not, however, seem to appear anywhere on the CBS
News Web site.

ABC News reports stewardess Anne Marie Smith is "headed to Washington" to
talk to federal prosecutors who are undertaking a "preliminary
investigation" into whether Condit obstructed justice by asking Smith to
sign an affidavit falsely denying their affair.

On the lighter side, the Toronto Star reports that Condit "recently hurled
himself into a mosh pit at a Pearl Jam rock concert," which means he has
something in common with Alan Keyes. And the Washington Post's Lloyd Grove
disputes Chandra's view that Condit resembles Harrison Ford.

Grove thinks the troubled congr

[CTRL] ANALYSIS: 'White House Inc.' may be in danger


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ANALYSIS: 'White House Inc.' may be in danger

Copyright © 2001 Nando Media
Copyright © 2001 Christian Science Monitor Service

By FRANCINE KIEFER, Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON (July 9, 2001 8:54 p.m. EDT) - For all its emphasis on business-like
efficiency and long-term planning, the White House may be able to take its corporate
model of governing only so far.

Ever since Vermont Sen. Jim Jeffords left the Republican Party and Democrats took
control of the Senate, the Bush administration has faced new political competition on
Capitol Hill.

Yet the White House has been slow to adapt. In a speech yesterday, a tanned
president outlined a summer legislative agenda that has little likelihood of getting
through Congress in its present form - raising fresh questions about how well the more
command-and-control style of corporate governing works in the consummate political
city.

"It's like going along as AT&T for years and suddenly finding that you have
competition," says Paul Light, director of governmental studies at the Brookings
Institution. "The Democrats have become a major new presence in the market."

When team Bush first took office, Washington was dazzled by the efficiency of this
group of former corporate executives. They rolled out their agenda with assembly-line
precision, and in less time than it takes to say "first president with a master's 
degree in
business administration," George W. Bush pushed through a huge tax cut.

Now, however, the corporate model of governing faces a crucial test. Efficiency may
have been the watchword for a White House operating in a one-party town, but, in the
months ahead, adaptability and compromise could become more important - qualities
that don't always come easily to corporate leaders.

"The CEO in a company is someone who travels in a corporate jet," says John Kessel,
a presidential scholar at Ohio State University. "He says, 'I want this done,' and it 
gets
done. He is essentially responsible to no one."

While a president may have Air Force One to jet about in, his power is limited by
politics on the Hill, by public opinion and special-interest groups.

In all of those areas, the scene is far different now than when Mr. Bush took office. 
Not
only do Democrats control the Senate's agenda, but moderate House Republicans,
many of whom face competitive re-elections, are paying more heed to their
constituents than to the conservative behests of the president - especially in
environmental and energy policy. The president's job-approval rating, meanwhile,
dropped by 4 to 8 percentage points last month.

Upsetting White House plans, the Senate recently passed patients'-bill-of-rights
legislation that differs from the president's in a key area. For their part, House
Republicans have thwarted the president on his energy plan, voting three times to ban
drilling - off Florida, in national monuments and in the Great Lakes.

"The one thing about the corporate style, sometimes it can be a little insensitive," 
says
Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., "The administration has a lot more to do on the
environment." He calls global warming "a national crisis", an issue the White House is
"asleep" on.

In his speech yesterday, Bush tried to give legislators a push in the direction he 
wants
to go: toward a patients' rights bill that restricts the right to sue, toward his 
faith-based
initiative, toward his version of education reform. But on all fronts, it's a tough 
fight for
the White House.

A recent Gallup poll shows that, even if they don't know all the details, Americans 
trust
Democrats on patients' rights more than Republicans - by a margin of 10 points. The
faith-based initiative is proving not only controversial on both sides of the aisle, 
it's also
not a top priority on the Hill. The energy plan has already come under fire, and while
education reform enjoys strong bipartisan support, it's being held up over funding.

In fact, funding in general looms as another issue where Congress and the White
House are in conflict. Democrats warn that the president's big tax cut - combined with
shrinking budget surpluses - are endangering programs, while the White House
blames both parties for pork-barrel spending.

"What Democrats have figured out about Bush is that he's vulnerable on environmental
policies, he's vulnerable on health and he's vulnerable on the tax cut," says Mr. 
Light.

Suddenly, the White House "can't control the marketplace, and it's not doing very well
with surprises," he says.

Others disagree. Roger Porter, former adviser to Bush Sr., says the president's
decision to scale back drilling plans in the Gulf of Mexico shows he's flexible. "I 
would
be hard pressed to fault their capacity for adapting," Mr. Porter says.

Even so, the White House is planning adjustments to stress the president's
"compassionate" side. Aides say that may include measures related to family values,
parenting, mentoring and education. Mr. Shays also senses flexib

[CTRL] [On the OTHER D.C. intern that went missing 2 mo ago] SALON: Selling Chandra


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Selling Chandra

By Joshua Micah Marshall


Behind the story of the missing intern -- and the congressman she had an
affair with -- is a team of public relations experts spoon-feeding us the
front page spectacle one scoop at a time.


July 10, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- While many are familiar with the story of
Chandra Levy, the ex-Bureau of Prisons intern who went missing two months
ago, few know much about who is producing the story behind the story: the
public relations professionals from both the Levy and Condit camps who've
been spinning, dictating the release of information, and even shaping the
pace and course of the police investigation.

Almost from the moment of Chandra Levy's disappearance, the Levy family got
assistance from the Sund/Carrington Foundation, an organization founded in
memory of Carole Sund, Julie Sund and Silvina Pelosso, who were abducted in
March 1999. The group helps gain publicity for the families and loved ones
of missing persons; it helped organize the Levys' first trip to Washington
in May and helped them garner a splash of media attention with early
appearances on "Good Morning America," Fox News and other nationally
televised programs.

While it's easy to question the motives of families willing to expose
themselves to the media glare in moments of anguish or embarrassment,
that's a difficult attitude to sustain toward the Levys, since in the
unique circumstances of a missing persons investigation every ounce of
publicity increases the chance that someone, somewhere may find out about
the case and provide a clue that solves the mystery of what happened to
their daughter.
Time, after all, is of the essence.

But since the middle of June, the public relations orchestration of the
case has grown apace -- both in scope and organization. Soon after the
Levys hired Washington attorney Billy Martin (who once represented Monica
Lewinsky's mother and became one of Monica's closest legal advisors), Marti
n hired the marquee D.C. public relations firm Porter Novelli to organize
the Levy family's public campaign to find their daughter. That was on June
18.

Since then, the main strategy has been to muscle Gary Condit into admitting
to an affair with Levy with an escalating campaign of leaks to the press.

As any savvy public relations operation would do, the Levy team at Porter
Novelli hasn't released all its juicy tidbits at once. It's doled them out
day by day, slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Condit, and ensuring that
the media won't lose its taste for the story.

"Ever since [the Levy family] worked with the Sund/Carrington Foundation,"
says CNN national correspondent Bob Franken, who's been covering the story,
"it's been highly coordinated. Now they've got a media savvy lawyer, Billy
Martin. And a media savvy public relations firm, Porter Novelli. They're
actively promoting the idea that this story deserves a special kind of
attention. And it's a newspaper strategy. They go right to the papers of
record, knowing that television will follow."

Franken points to the press coverage of Linda Zamsky as a particular
Porter-Novelli coup.

Zamsky, Chandra Levy's aunt, gave a July 6 interview with the Washington
Post that copiously detailed Chandra's relationship with Rep. Condit. It
was likely the final straw that forced Condit to 'fess up to D.C. police
about the affair last Friday night.

Reporters covering the case had actually been talking to Zamsky for weeks.

In fact, you had probably already heard of her. Zamsky was the unidentified
source - described as a Levy relative, but not one of her parents - whose
conversations with Chandra about the affair the media had been reporting on
for weeks. But Zamsky only went on the record when the Levy team decided it
was time to lower the boom, thus making Condit's continued denials all but
impossible.

It also was no accident that Zamsky gave her story to a print outlet rather
than a TV network. As Franken notes, the Levy team at Porter Novelli has
largely been pursuing a print strategy.

But there was more to it in this particular instance. The Levy P.R. team
decided that Zamsky might not come off very well in the unpredictable
conditions of a TV interview, according to several sources close to the
situation. So they made sure she spoke to the print press only and let the
TV networks make do with stock footage of her tending her garden.

"Some people are not as ready for TV as others," says CNN's Franken, and
Zamsky was considered "not as TV ready."


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[CTRL] White House drops plans to exempt religious groups from gay, lesbian anti-discrimination laws


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White House drops plans to exempt religious groups from gay, lesbian anti-
discrimination laws

By LAURA MECKLER, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (July 10, 2001 7:55 p.m. EDT) - In a fresh controversy over the Bush
administration's "faith-based initiative," the White House on Tuesday backed away
from a proposed regulation that would have allowed religious groups that receive
federal money to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

Amid intense criticism, officials abruptly ended a review of a proposed regulation that
would have exempted religious groups from state and local anti-discrimination laws.

The decision came late Tuesday afternoon, hours after Vice President Dick Cheney
and other administration officials said that churches and other religious groups should
be allowed to stick to their principles in running secular programs with government
money.

White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said senior administration officials reviewed the
matter over the course of the day and concluded that religious groups do not need
overt protections in order to bypass gay-rights hiring laws.

Legislation now pending in Congress - and being pushed hard by President Bush -
makes it clear that any religious group that gets government money may consider
religion in making hiring decisions. The courts have said this includes one's religious
practices - and for some religions that could mean rejecting job applicants because
they are gay.

"That's when you get into definitions that will ultimately be decided by the courts,"
Bartlett said.

He added that the administration was not backing off Cheney's statement that a group
should be allowed to be faithful to its "underlying principles and organizing 
doctrines"
even when it accepts government money.

"The charitable choice law provides adequate protections," Bartlett said, referring to 
a
law used as a model for Bush's initiative to allow religious charities a bigger share 
in
providing federal social services.

The issue was raised by an internal report from the Salvation Army, the nation's 
largest
charity, which suggested the White House would put forward the regulation in exchange
for support of its initiative pending in Congress.

White House officials denied the quid pro quo but said they were considering the
regulation, which would allow religious groups to bypass local and state laws that bar
discrimination against gays when the groups take federal dollars.

Gay rights groups, Democrats and civil rights organizations reacted strongly, and by
day's end, it was clear that the issue would mean a new round of controversy for Bush's
overall legislation.

"President Bush regularly talks about seeing into the good hearts of people. Does he
think that gay people do not have the same good hearts and moral values as others?
How else could he support, in the name of faith, taking a position that values gay
people less than others?" said a statement from Kirsten Kingdon, executive director of
Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.

"It will just deepen opposition and make many of my colleagues more skeptical," Sen.
Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., said before the White House changed course.

Later, Lieberman's spokesman welcomed the change. "This is a reassuring signal
after a very disturbing signal, and hopefully it means we can now kind of refocus on
finding common ground and strengthening rather than weakening civil rights
protections," said Dan Gerstein.

Some state and local laws bar discrimination in hiring gays and lesbians. Others
require employers to offer health insurance and other benefits to the domestic partners
of gay employees. Typically, these laws do not apply to religious groups. But it's not
clear whether groups lose that exemption once they accept taxpayer dollars.

The Bush administration was considering issuing guidance from the Office of
Management and Budget banning enforcement of these laws for religious groups that
get federal dollars, which often pass through local and state government.

The Salvation Army report explicitly linked the regulatory action with the 
legislation, now
pending in the House.

"It is important that the Army's support for the White House's activities occur
simultaneously with efforts to achieve the Army's objectives," said the document.

It said White House officials wanted to move the legislation first "and use the 
political
momentum of this" to push through the regulatory change. And it said White House
officials believed a regulation was better than trying to move separate legislation on 
an
exemption, "which is more time-consuming and more visible."

It added that the Salvation Army, which operates a national network of social services,
would enlist more than 100 of its leaders to lobby members of Congress "in a
prearranged agreement with the White House."

The Salvation Army said the report overstated the strategic relationship between the
two issues, though spokesman David Fuscus said the regulation

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[CTRL] REU: Congressman's Abode to be Seached [as well as DNA taken and lie-detector test given] in Intern Probe


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Tuesday July 10 5:18 PM ET

Congressman's Abode to Be Searched in Intern Probe


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Police plan to search Rep. Gary Condit's apartment,
give him a lie-detector test and get samples of his DNA for clues to the
disappearance of Washington intern Chandra Levy, the police chief said on
Tuesday.

Eleven weeks after the 24-year-old Californian was last seen, Washington
Police Chief Charles Ramsey told reporters he planned to take Condit up on
his offer of assistance in the high-profile case.

Referring to an offer by Condit's lawyer on Monday ''relative to the
collection of DNA samples, search of the apartment and taking a polygraph
examination,'' Ramsey told reporters, ``We want to take him up on that
offer.''

Ramsey said police were working with Condit's attorney, Abbe Lowell, to
arrange dates, times and locations, and added that these arrangements
should be made ``in a day or two.''

Condit, a 53-year-old married father of two, is not considered a suspect by
police in the Levy case, but has been interviewed three times by police. In
the two early interviews, he reportedly characterized Levy as his friend;
in a late Friday interview, the Washington Post and others reported that
Condit told police the two had a romantic relationship.

Lowell said late on Monday that the Democratic congressman from central
California would comply fully with the investigation into Levy's
disappearance, including allowing the apartment search, providing phone
records and submitting to a DNA test.

Levy's parents, who came to Washington on Monday, have asked Condit to take
a lie-detector test, and Lowell has not ruled this out.


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[CTRL] AP: Missing Intern TV Coverage Mixed


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"To date, Dan Rather's broadcast hasn't mentioned a word about the story."


Missing Intern TV Coverage Mixed

by DAVID BAUDER
AP Television Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- If you watch cable news networks, with the drumbeat of
''Where's Chandra?'' headlines, you'd think the disappearance of a
Washington intern was all the country was talking about.

Yet if you relied on the ''CBS Evening News'' to know what's going on, you
wouldn't even know Chandra Levy was missing.

For television networks, the story of Chandra Levy and U.S. Rep. Gary
Condit, D-Calif., is reviving arguments about restraint and taste among
news organizations with vastly different opinions on how to treat the
story.

''It seems to me there's been a complete suspension of doubt, fairness and
objectivity in this story,'' said Jim Murphy, executive producer of the
''CBS Evening News.''

To date, Dan Rather's broadcast hasn't mentioned a word about the story.
Murphy said he was reserving that for a major development in the case -- if
Levy or her body were found, for instance, or if Condit was named a suspect
in her disappearance by police.

He and Rather discuss the story all the time, most recently Tuesday
morning, he said.

''We both know at some point we have to report this story, but we both feel
that to this point, it's been a circus,'' Murphy said.

ABC's ''World News Tonight'' has mentioned the story only twice -- once at
length last Friday when it had exclusive information about the
congressman's cell phone records. NBC's ''Nightly News'' has done 10
stories on the case.

''This story has touched a national nerve,'' said Steve Capus, executive
producer of ''Nightly News.'' ''It is an ongoing mystery as to what has
happened to her, and there are the continued questions about a member of
Congress. It is a legitimate story and when our very high threshold has
been met, we've done the story.''

Paul Slavin, executive producer of ''World News Tonight,'' said he believed
the story has been overcovered. He decides on a day-to-day basis what to
report.

''I think there are things that are more important, that are more worthy of
our time,'' Slavin said. ''But I don't have an admonition that says I'm not
going to cover that story. That seems sort of foolish. You're staking out
some ground that I don't see a point in staking out.''

The story, with its ''soap opera'' aspects, is more suited to network
morning shows, which have more time to fill, he said.

ABC's ''Good Morning America'' has devoted 56 minutes to the story since it
first broke. NBC's ''Today'' has done 45 minutes and CBS' ''The Early
Show'' 39 minutes, according to Andrew Tyndall, a consultant who measures
network news coverage.

Major newspapers have been relatively cautious in giving the case
front-page attention. USA Today on Monday ran a front-page piece on Monday
with Levy's family asking that Condit be given a lie detector test, one of
a package of three stories that took up two-thirds of an inside page.

The New York Post had a front-page headline Tuesday, ''Condit 'Kinky
Sex.''' It was a report about a woman claiming she was Condit's lover and
saying she was suspicious of some of his sexual habits.

The cable news networks continued their heavy coverage on Tuesday, although
perhaps with a little less single-mindedness. One new navel-gazing element:
CNN and MSNBC both did segments on media coverage of the story.

Fox News Channel did one segment titled ''Sex Secrets,'' based on
information that was in the New York Post story.

''I don't think it's a question of overkill,'' said Ramon Escobar, MSNBC's
executive producer in charge of daytime programming. ''I think cable news
is particularly well-positioned to really be thorough and provide context
for stories.

''When we do that, we become easy targets for people who say, 'look at
them, they're obsessing.''' he said. ''We're not just obsessing about it.
We've had a mix of other stories.''

Keith McAllister, CNN's senior vice president of national newsgathering,
said the public is interested in what the Levy family is going through. The
story of Condit, who admitted to an affair with the intern, resonates with
what's gone on in Washington in recent years, he said.

Tyndall, however, called the cable news networks irresponsible.

''This story is not about 'where's Chandra Levy,''' he said. ''It's about a
congressman's sex life. They're trying to make a scandal out of what are
very thin strands here.''

CBS' Murphy said journalists get very few chances to take a stand on
principle.

Still, he's getting bombarded with notes from both sides of the issue
within his own news organization. And in a competitive business, he
realizes the risks of making a wrong call.

''Hopefully, I'll still be employed in a few months,'' he said.


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[CTRL] FR: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: On Mena: "Boys on the Tracks" Judgment Overturned by 8th Circuit


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*** FR WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Pat Matrisciana Judgment Overturned by 8th Circuit


Filmmaker Pat Matrisciana of Citizens for Honest Government was vindicated
this morning by the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals.

A lower court had awarded two plaintiffs, police officers Jay Campbell and
Kirk Lane, a judgment of $600,000 plus costs, interest and attorney fees.
It would have cost Matrisciana over a million dollars.

The case involved the video OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE which exposed the
murders of Kevin Ives and Don Henry near Mena, Arkansas. This is the famous
case about "the boys on the tracks" in which two young boys were out at
night and stumbled across a drug drop. Their murders were covered up by
authorities and the implications went all the way to the governor's office,
then occupied by William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

Campbell and Lane successfully argued in the lower court that Matrisciana
had mistakenly implicated them as suspects in the death of the boys and
they were awarded the $600,000 judgment.

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE is one of the most powerful videos you will ever
see. The murders of the boys were covered up by authorities including the
coroner who claimed they were smoking marijuana and fell asleep on railroad
tracks where they were run over. Linda Ives, mother of Kevin Ives, fought
for a long time to get a court order to exhume the body to prove her son
was murdered. The case still has not been prosecuted.

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE was narrated by John Bennett, recognized as the most
melodios voice of far right wing documentaries. Right wing? Yes.
Truthful? Absolutely! There are still two unsolved murders in this case and
Bill Clinton never did anything to try to get them solved as governor or
president. He, in fact, helped perpetuate the coverup.

Mena, Arkansas should have landed Clinton in the Big House, not in the
White House.


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[CTRL] U.S. Armed And Trained Croats Involved In Massacre

2001-07-10 Thread William Shannon

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,518424,00.html



Guns secret set to haunt US

War crimes hunt turns heat on Croatia's ally

Peter Beaumont and Ed Vulliamy
Sunday July 8, 2001
 The Observer

The Croatian government met in emergency session yesterday to decide how to
respond to sealed indictments issued by the international war crimes tribunal
this weekend against two former generals accused of murdering Serb civilians,
threatening a new political crisis in a country still struggling to recover
from war.

The indictments of the generals - for the massacres of hundreds of Serb
civilians between 1993 and 1995 - is also threatening to lift the lid on one
of the murkiest episodes of the Balkan wars: the secret arming of the Croats
by the United States.

While neither Carla Del Ponte, the chief prosecutor of the Hague tribunal nor
Croat Prime Minister Ivica Racan has disclosed the names of those charged,
the likely suspects are Ante Gotovina, a commander during the 1995 offensive,
and Rahim Ademi, who is of Kosovo Albanian origin. Both men have now retired.

Ademi is likely to be charged with responsibility for the killings of dozens
of Serbs during a 1993 offensive in central Croatia against the Serb rebels.

While the crimes allegedly committed by Ademi predate the period of US
military assistance, those allegedly committed by Gotovina fall squarely into
it. They came during a time of stunning military successes for the Croats on
the battlefields of the Serb occupied Krajina and eastern Slavonia, in which
US personnel were heavily implicated. The history of US assistance to the
nationalist regime of former President Franjo Tudjman dated back to March
1994 when the Croatian Defence Minister, Joko Susak, approached the Pentagon
to ask for help with military training.

While the Pentagon turned down the request it directed the Croats to a
Virginia-based military consultancy firm, Military Professional Resource Inc
(MPRI), staffed by former generals whose main client was the US army. A
contract licensed by the Pentagon was signed with the Croatian army.

While MPRI denied that its advisers were involved on the ground during the
Croatian offensives, UN officials in the Balkans at the time refused to
believe it.

At the same time that US advisers were training Croat soldiers for Operation
Storm - the drive to retake Krajina - in how to conduct large-scale
operations, both the American Defense Intelligence Service and the CIA were
building up their strength at the US embassy in Zagreb. Part of that
operation, said sources at the time, was to provide the intelligence for the
Croat assaults.

In 1995 The Observer reported claims by United Nations officials that
American intelligence and forces were deeply involved in Bosnia and Croatia,
and that the US breached the UN arms embargo with flights carrying arms to
both the Bosnian and Croat forces.

The new indictments have come as as the war crimes tribunal has accelerated
its efforts to bring to justice all those it believes responsible for
directing atrocities in the wars of the former Yugoslavia.

Last week Bosnian Serb Prime Minister Mladen Ivanic led a delegation to The
Hague saying his government, which has hitherto refused all co-operation with
the tribunal, was 'ready to extradite' the former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan
Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic, now the Hague's most wanted fugitives.
Ivanic was given short shrift from Del Ponte, who promptly lambasted the
Bosnian Serbs, saying: 'At any given time, the authorities of the Bosnian
Serb Republic know, or are in a position to know, the whereabouts of our most
wanted fugitives.'

She added: 'It is a well-known fact that at any time, Ratko Mladic has been
enjoying the protection of the Bosnian Serb military.'

The potential for embarrassment from the UN war crimes process is not limited
to Del Ponte's accusations against the Bosnian Serbs, it also threatens to
lay bare the conduct of the international community during a decade of Balkan
crises.

Already Slobodan Milosevic has threatened to embarrass at his trial
international negotiators he says 'rehabilitated him' in secret deals. And
the hunt for Karadzic is threatening to expose French complicity in his
evasion of arrest.

The pressure to deliver him falls not only on the Bosnian Serbs but on the
French peacekeepers in whose zone he has moved freely for six years since the
war's end. Indeed a last-minute French tip-off to Karadzic is alleged to have
stymied an attempt by the British SAS to grab him in 1997.

The tribunal regards the capture of Karadzic and Mladic as crucial to the
cases it is building, with some officials concerned that a trial of Karazdic
and Mladic should precede that of Milosevic.

Karadzic is regarded as the crucial bridge connecting the captive Milosevic
to three and a half years of bloodshed in Bosnia.

[CTRL] Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Pugliese

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
(This is the only article in this thread)
Date: 1999/05/03

(sent to USCMike1's 31,085+ readers - please repost to your own mailing
lists)

Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al.:

   Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for expressing his doubts about the Clinton's
Civilian Concentration Camps.  Please read my response to him and his post
immediately below my response.

USCMike1

Dear Steven:

  Thank you for your response and comments.  It is literally impossible for
me to personally verify all 300+ or 700+ s.  And even when some one does
in fact find one they derrogatorily report that there is NO activity there
and no sign of civilian prisoners there.

So even with "proof" people still refuse to believe.  They keep
forgetting that these s are being setup, planned, prepared, lying in
wait, or being merely designated for later use.  Guess we will have to just
wait until those on the GREEN list are picked up and shoved into them.  Then
what good does it do to issue any warning ahead of time?

   Probably these very same people will still deny their existence by saying
"Well, you can't prove these are s just because the feds put me into one
under legal court procedings, but for a different reason than what you say
they are for.

  If people can't heed an honest warning then too bad.  There are none so
blind as those who will not see.  None so ignorant as those who will not
understand.  None so asleep as those who will not wake up.

USCMike1

Subj: Dubious Reports of U.S. Concentration Camps
Date: 4/26/99 9:18:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: mailto:Steven1997";>Steven1997
To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: mailto:RBerbill";>RBerbill, mailto:USCMike1";>USCMike1

Hi David:  I am also very skeptical of these reports.

We are old neighbors: Northbrook, right on the border of Wheeling.  My
brother, Bill  is an exec with a Northbrook-based radio station -- even has
his own radio show (see Rebel Radio on the Internet).  If you get any solid
proof of any concentration camps which are being planned for innocent
Americans, just let me know and I will see if he wants to run a story on the
air ... OK.

I will also copy Bill on this e-mail.

Steven
+
Date: 4/26/99 8:22:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, it is starting now.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] claims he
has verified that one of the FEMA "Relocation Centers" which I refer to as
Clinton's Civilian Concentration Camps - will be used to incarcerate
innocent
civilians - although this is probably just a trial run.

There are claimed to be at least 300+ camps and possibly even up to 700+
camps nationwide.  The feds just want to get us used to the idea of
civilians
being placed in these camps, then after the first shock, to be readily
forgotten so we can go back to our mindless daily existences.  Then as we
are
individually carted off into these 's it will just be another fact of
life that we were so meticulously prepared for.

OBTW, this is for Wolfs1776 - as far as I know, there is ONLY ONE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] by the name of Michael Johnson and that is me and there
should be NO other people who are parading around as USCMike1.  I don't know
where Wolfs1776 ever got that idea, unless there is someone impersonating me
trying to discredit me.

Thanks again, folks for listening

Please read Wolfs1776 post below for the story on innocent civilians to be
incarcerated in one of Clinton's Civilian Concentrations Camps.

USCMike1

In a message dated 4/26/99 1:11:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, WoLfS1776
writes:

 Date: 4/26/99 1:11:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
 From: mailto:WoLfS1776";>WoLfS1776
 To: mailto:USCMike1";>USCMike1

 In a message dated 99-04-24 13:27:58 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Okay, I said that when I learned that there *are* "concentration camps"
  and that people *were* to be herded into them. I would go "on the air" and
  publicly acknowledge the fact.

  Well, "USCMike1" (however-many people are actually masquerading as someone
  named "Michael Johnson") once referred me to a web-site showing photos of
  a POW camp on Fort Dix, New Jersey, as absolute PROOF that such camps *do*
  exist and would be used to hold innocent citizens. I looked at the photos,
  formulatind some hypotheses (which I kept to myself), and publicly
  ridiculed all those nice folks going under the rubric "USCMike1".

  Well, I can admit my mistakes---on the ABC network news this morning
  (WLS, 890 AM in Chicago), they ran a story confirming my hypotheses by
  stating that innocent citizens *will* be herded into the Fort Dix
  facility---and probably within the next t

[CTRL] Nuclear Incident In Scotland Revealed

2001-07-10 Thread William Shannon

http://www.sundayherald.com/16870



Revealed: nuclear plant accident after fuel rods collapse

 
By Rob Edwards Environment Editor


 
A SERIOUS accident at a nuclear power station in southern Scotland last week 
sent 24 fiercely radioactive fuel rods crashing to the floor narrowly 
avoiding the death of workers at the plant and the release of a radioactive 
cloud which would have contaminated the entire region.

Managers of the Chapelcross nuclear reactors near Annan in Dumfries and 
Galloway are now anxiously trying to work out how to retrieve the fuel rods, 
which are still lying where they fell in the early hours of Thursday morning. 
All normal fuelling operations have been suspended at Chapelcross and at its 
sister station, Calder Hall, at Sellafield in Cumbria.

The nuclear plant is run by state-owned, British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL), and is 
Scotland's oldest nuclear power station. Home to four 50-megawatt reactors 
and a secretive military plant which produces radioactive tritium for Trident 
warheads, it has been generating electricity -- and sometimes plutonium for 
atomic bombs -- since 1959.

Nuclear engineers and regulators had initially feared that the fuel was 
damaged and would leak radio activity into the air. Howver, it is now thought 
this has not happened. The worst scenario would have been that the fuel 
caught fire endangering the lives of the plant's workers.

'This was a cock-up that was potentially very serious indeed because of the 
risk of a fire,' said the leading independent nuclear engineer, John Large. 
'It put the employees at risk and there could have been a local dispersion of 
radioactivity.'

News of the accident, which has not been publicised and is likely to lead to 
legal action, alarmed politicians and environmentalists . They called for a 
crackdown by regulators, and argued that it highlighted the dangerous folly 
of the government's plan to build a new generation of nuclear reactors.

'I get worried,' said Fiona McLeod, the Scottish National Party's shadow 
deputy environment minister. 'Are they cutting corners? Is there now cause 
for concern about the safety of Chapelcross?'

At about 1.15am on Thursday, engineers were routinely removing irradiated 
uranium fuel rods by remote control from reactor three, which has been shut 
down since April 24. They were trying to attach a cylinder containing 24 rods 
to a crane so that it could be lowered down a shaft into a flask and taken to 
a cooling pond for storage, when something went badly wrong.

The cylinder suddenly came loose and fell two-and-a-half feet onto the shaft 
door, which was closed. The site's emergency incident plan was put into 
operation, its manager, Bob Clayton, woken from his bed, and a team of expert 
engineers assembled. The Nuclear Installations Inspectorate (NII), the 
government's safety watchdog, was informed at 3.30am.

Carbon dioxide was pumped over the fallen fuel to make sure that it didn't 
overheat or catch fire. The area around the fuel was monitored for radiation, 
as were outlets from the site, and the situation was kept under close review 
for the next few hours.

'It was very embarrassing for BNFL, pretty annoying to the NII, but not 
immediately life-threatening,' concluded one insider. Another pointed out 
that the accident could have been much worse if the shaft door had been open, 
because the fuel would have fallen a lot further.

Large, who is currently advising the Russian government on the safety of 
retrieving the Kursk nuclear submarine from the Barents sea, pointed out that 
it was vital to remove the fallen fuel rods from the shaft door. They were 
blocking the only route by which fuel could be removed from the reactor, 
which could become urgent if problems developed, he explained. 'The story is 
certainly not over yet.'

Two months ago Chapelcross suffered another problem during defuelling when a 
grab-release mechanism failed. In 1999 there were four pollution incidents at 
the plant, one of which resulted in the contamination of a local burn. In May 
1967 radioactivity was released into the environment when fuel caught fire in 
a reactor and suffered a partial meltdown.

Friends of the Earth Scotland claimed that last week's accident illustrated 
how dangerous the nuclear industry really is . 'This is the latest in a 
series of recent mishaps at Chapelcross and it is time the regulators cracked 
down, as they have done at Dounreay and Sellafield,' said the environmental 
group's chief executive, Kevin Dunion.

'This kind of potential disaster highlights the folly of even considering 
building a new generation of nuclear power stations. The people of south west 
Scotland must make it clear they want no further part in this risky business.'

BNFL has said that it expects Chapelcross to be shut down before 2010, 
suggesting privately that a replacement nuclear station could be built there. 
Two weeks ago the UK government began a review of energy policy under the 
ener

[CTRL] Japan & Iran In Oil Deal

2001-07-10 Thread William Shannon

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/all/display.jsp?an=20010709007



Japan, Iran join hands on Azadegan oil development
TEHRAN, July 9, Kyodo -

Iran and Japan agreed Sunday to cooperate toward concluding a contract on a
Japanese-led consortium's plan to develop Iran's Azadegan oil field as soon
as possible in a bid to realize commercial production in 2004.

The agreement came in a joint statement issued after visiting Japanese trade
minister Takeo Hiranuma's meetings with Iranian President Mohammad Khatami
and Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh.

With the statement calling for promoting wider participation by Japanese
concerns in Iran's energy development, the two countries also confirmed their
support for such involvement in the South Pars gas field, one of the world's
largest, and the Ahwaz-Bangestan oil field in western Iran, which are being
developed mainly by European concerns, Japanese officials said.

The two countries also agreed to begin research toward having Japanese
companies participate in ''downstream'' oil businesses such as processing
liquefied natural gas, and to launch a program of training some 100 Iranian
energy-related experts in Japan, the officials said.

On the Azadegan field, one of the world's largest remaining untapped deposits
and the biggest in the country, Khatami told Hiranuma during their talks that
Iran ''welcomes cooperation by the Japanese government'' for the development
plan.

Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Hiranuma told Khatami that Japan expects
''the president's help to realize the plan as soon as possible,'' they said.

In the talks with the oil minister, Hiranuma addressed U.S. interests by
expressing Japan's wish to ''have U.S. concerns take part'' in the consortium
should Washington lift its sanctions against Iran.

The consortium has launched full-fledged negotiations with the Iranian
government over the plan to develop the oil field after submitting a business
plan to Iran in late June that includes the participation of the Royal
Dutch/Shell Group.

Iran gave Japanese firms prime negotiation rights for development of the oil
field when Khatami visited Tokyo last November.

The Japanese consortium is led by Tokyo-based oil development firm Indonesian
Petroleum Ltd. and Japan National Oil Corp. Other members include trading
house Tomen Corp. and Japan Petroleum Exploration Co.

The Japanese government and the Japanese industry have been anxious to find
new oil fields to develop since Japan's Arabian Oil Co. lost its drilling
rights in Saudi Arabia's Khafji oil field in February last year.

The Azadegan field in southern Iran near the Iraqi border is estimated to
yield up to 24 billion barrels of oil.

Hiranuma is visiting Iran on the third leg of his four-nation trip to the
Middle East, which has already taken him to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. He will
visit the United Arab Emirates before returning to Japan on Tuesday.

The Middle East visit is aimed at strengthening ties with the top four
suppliers of Japan's oil imports.

Re: [CTRL] Condit admits affair with Levy

2001-07-10 Thread YnrChyldzWyld


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From: Damian B. Cooper
>I'm very much inclined to believe that Condit had nothing to do with
>Chandra Levy's disappearance and probable demise.
>I believe that someone who knew about Condit's bimboes and who also
>had a score to settle with Condit (think: Clintonista's) made Chandra Levy
>"disappear" knowing full well that Condit would be embarrassed, discredited

>and ultimately a murder suspect.

I tend to agree.

I also suspect that Levy maybe had some complicity in her own disappearance,
altho I also suspect that she may have been unpleasantly surprised to find
out what the organizers of the charade ultimately had in mind for her...
I'm also not discounting the ol' green-eyed monster as a possible motive for
Levy's disappearance, in which case she probably wasn't an accomplice to her
own fate (whatever it may be)...and which makes either Mrs. Condit or the
airline stewardess suspects worth considering. Hell hath no fury, and all
that rot...and if the scorned party wanted to get even with the man who
scorned them, what better way than to get rid of the woman he was having an
affair with, and do it in such a way as to cast suspicion on the victim's
partner...


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[CTRL] Schlund v. USA (DEA)


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This case went all the way up to the Supreme Court, but on Friday, June 29,
 2001 the Supreme Court *dismissed* the case. You won't hear a word about this
 very important case in the controlled media [where REAL news is forbidden].
 You can read the lawsuit at the following URL :

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 spread the word!


 

 U.S. SUPREME COURT  DOCKET NO.

 IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

  CHARLES AUGUST SCHLUND, III
   and RANDY D. LANG,

  Petitioners

   vs.

   THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, et al,

 Respondents.

 ON APPEAL FROM THE JUDGMENT OF THE UNITED STATES

 COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT

 C.A. NO. 00-15-126

 (D.CT. NO. CIV-98-1875-PHX-RCB)

 PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI

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[CTRL] The Declining Terrorist Threat


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July 10, 2001
The Declining Terrorist Threat
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/10/opinion/10JOHN.html

By LARRY C. JOHNSON

WASHINGTON -- Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our
popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism.
They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United
States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely
to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists.
And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups
cause most terrorism.

None of these beliefs are based in fact. While many crimes are committed
against Americans abroad (as at home), politically inspired terrorism, as
opposed to more ordinary criminality motivated by simple greed, is not as
common as most people may think.

At first glance, things do seem to be getting worse. International terrorist
incidents, as reported by the State Department, increased to 423 in 2000
from 392 in 1999. Recently, Americans were shaken by Filipino rebels'
kidnapping of Americans and the possible beheading of one hostage. But the
overall terrorist trend is down. According to the Central Intelligence
Agency, deaths from international terrorism fell to 2,527 in the decade of
the 1990's, from 4,833 in the 80's.

Nor are the United States and its policies the primary target. Terrorist
activity in 2000 was heavily concentrated in just two countries - Colombia,
which had 186 incidents, and India, with 63. The cause was these countries'
own political conflicts.

While 82 percent of the attacks in Colombia were on oil pipelines managed by
American and British companies, these attacks were less about terrorism than
about guerrillas' goal of disrupting oil production to undermine the
Colombian economy. Generally, the guerrillas shy away from causing
casualties in these attacks. No American oil workers in Colombia were killed
or injured last year.

Other terrorism against American interests is rare. There were three attacks
on American diplomatic buildings in 2000, compared with 42 in 1988. No
Americans were killed in these incidents, nor have there been any deaths in
this sort of attack this year.

Of the 423 international terrorist incidents documented in the State
Department's report "Patterns of Global Terrorism 2000," released in April,
only 153 were judged by the department and the C.I.A. to be "significant."
And only 17 of these involved American citizens or businesses.

Eleven incidents involved kidnappings of one or more American citizens, all
of whom were eventually released. Seven of those kidnapped worked for
American companies in the energy business or providing services to it -
Halliburton, Shell, Chevron, Mobil, Noble Drilling and Erickson Air-Crane.

Five bombings were on the list. The best known killed 17 American sailors on
the destroyer Cole, as it was anchored in a Yemeni port, and wounded 39. A
bomb at a McDonald's in France killed a local citizen there. The other
explosions - outside the United States embassy in the Philippines, at a
Citibank office in Greece, and in the offices of Newmont Mining in
Indonesia - caused mostly property damage and no loss of life. In the 17th
incident, vandals trashed a McDonald's in South Africa.

The greatest risk is clear: if you are drilling for oil in Colombia - or in
nations like Ecuador, Nigeria or Indonesia - you should take appropriate
precautions; otherwise Americans have little to fear.

Although high-profile incidents have fostered the perception that terrorism
is becoming more lethal, the numbers say otherwise, and early signs suggest
that the decade beginning in 2000 will continue the downward trend. A major
reason for the decline is the current reluctance of countries like Iraq,
Syria and Libya, which once eagerly backed terrorist groups, to provide safe
havens, funding and training.

The most violent and least reported source of international terrorism is the
undeclared war between Islamists and Hindus over the disputed Kashmir region
of India, bordering Pakistan. Although India came in second in terms of the
number of terrorist incidents in 2000, with 63, it accounted for almost 50
percent of all resulting deaths, with 187 killed, and injuries, with 337
hurt. Most of the blame lies with radical groups trained in Afghanistan and
operating from Pakistan.

I am not soft on terrorism; I believe strongly in remaining prepared to
confront it. However, when the threat of terrorism is used to justify
everything from building a missile defense to violating constitutional
rights (as in the case of some Arab-Americans imprisoned without charge), it
is time to take a deep breath and reflect on why we are so fearful.

Part of the blame can be assigned to 24-hour broadcast news operations too
eager to find a dramatic story line in the events of the day and to pundits
who repeat myths while ignoring clear empirical data. Politicians of both
partie

Re: [CTRL] Chappaquiddick - July 1969: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The ...

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  I hadn't known that Marilyn was discovered by Howard Hughes.  Thanks for
that info.

Samantha

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writes:

> Well, what happened with Marilyn Monroe, was that she was discovered by
>  Howard Hughes, at RKO, when she left her first husband, the Van Nuyes
>  cop, who later trained the first SWAT teams in the United States. And
>  she ran off with this photographer, she was about eighteen years old,
>  and RKO started doing her films. You know, Hughes used to film out at
>  the Spahn Ranch, where the Manson family later landed.

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Re: [CTRL] Chappaquiddick - July 1969: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!!!

2001-07-10 Thread Nessie


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>From the transcript of the Fourth Reich in America conference, held in
SF in '88, organized by yours truly and friends:


Audience Member: Can you say just a few words about the Chappaquiddick
incident?

John Judge: Yes. Ted Kennedy was not in the car. Hard evidence clearly
shows that the car went off the ramp at a tremendously high rate of
speed. And the door on Kennedy's side was crushed shut. It was still
locked. I don't think he'd bother to lock it on the way out under water.
The window was still rolled up. He had no way to get out of the car. He
had no wet clothes, in the hotel room. That was the testimony of the
maid who cleaned up. He was seen on the island in a good mood that
morning. I talked to people who said the place was crawling with
Committee to Re-Elect the President people. Tom Valaszcwitz, in his
testimony, said that he went up to the island several days before, with
fake press credentials, to ask embarrassing questions of Ted. About
what? Several days before? And he doesn't show up at any of the press
conferences. 

In the Watergate testimony, there is reference to Operation Sand Wedge,
and ten thousand dollars given to Valaszcwitz that summer, by Caulfield.
And they never ask, "What is Sand Wedge?" I think it's putting the
Oldsmobile in the sand. 

It was meant to take out Ted Kennedy's election chances. But I think
they knew, that if they had yet another lone assassin, for the third
Kennedy, that would be the end of the string, in terms of the public
credibility. So instead they set him up, in, I think, a very clever way.


They drugged him at the party. Slipped a "mickey" into the drink. He
left with Mary Jo Koepechne. Now, they portray her as just this sort of
little nobody, a secretary, who happened to be in the car, or maybe Ted
was having an affair with her. She came from a group of political
secretaries known as the "Boiler Room Girls." Some of them are still in
top positions in the media and other places. And they were traveling in
the political circles, and working for different people. Mary Jo worked
for Sen. George Smathers, Bebe Rebozo's financial and personal friend
down there, who was actually an enemy of the Kennedy's. There was this
famous scene where Smathers attempted to get John Kennedy to kill
Castro, to continue the assassination attempts, and Kennedy broke a
plate on the table at this dinner. It's kind of famous, it's in most of
the Kennedy books, Thousand Days, and other places. And he said, "We're
not going to have any more of that talk."

And, Smathers, you know, was certainly more in the Nixon camp, with
Rebozo, and the filthy money, Dade county, Bob Maheu (who went out and
got the Mafia assassins involved originally, that helped to kill
Kennedy), and that crowd. So, she came from there, and the two
secretaries who worked with her at the time, and she roomed with one of
them, were also closely involved. Carol Tyler, who she roomed with,
disappeared in a plane crash. She had been Bobby Baker's secretary. You
remember this big scandal during the Johnson administration, about Bobby
Baker and the wheeling and dealing? And Baker had been part of an
international gambling ring, between Cuba and the United States, that
was called the "Syndicate." It wasn't the whole national crime
syndicate, but it was a little Havana, Cuba bunch. Lansky's had ties
with it, McClaney and others. People that had the arms at Lake
Pontchartraine in New Orleans, Cubans that were tied with Oswald, people
around the Kennedy assassination. In Torbitt's document, Nomenclature of
an Assassination Cabal, that group, "Syndicate," is one of the 5 groups
named, because it was the main one that funnelled money on Kennedy's
head from the mob out of Florida and up through Chicago, and then into
Dallas. And it's in Flammonde's book, Kennedy Conspiracy, and other
places.

So, the other secretary working with Mary Jo at the time, had been the
personal secretary to Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club. And remember,
Bobby Baker called his place in Ocean City the Carousel Club. His motel
up there, you know. 

So, she didn't come from nowhere. She was also the last person to see
the physical evidence in the Robert Kennedy file before it was locked
up, down in Los Angeles. She knew quite a deal. 

I think she was brought out thinking that she was setting Ted up to be
killed. And at the last moment they pulled the switch, dragged him, dead
drunk, and drugged, back to the hotel room, put him to bed. Stabbed her
in the back, or injected something that caused a lot of bleeding over
the night, in the back, knocked her out, and put her into the car. 

She was found in a rather unusual position. I mean, you'd go there to
get air, if you woke up, but, her head was in the footwell, in the front
seat. And her back end and her legs were over the top of the dash.And
she was down in this little well, which would have been the top of the
car at that point, and where a little bit of the air was. So if she was

Re: [CTRL] Chappaquiddick - July 1969: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!!!


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This sounds reasonable and plausible.  If it is true, what does that say
about the anti-Ted screamers on this list and everywhere on the internet?
Government paychecks?

Samantha

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[CTRL] Schumer/Clinton Lie For Israel


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A campaign against incitement

James J. Zogby

July 10, 2001

http://www.jordantimes.com/Tue/opinion/opinion2.htm

A FEW weeks ago, New York's senators Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton
held an inflammatory press conference to denounce what they called
Palestinian incitement against Israel.

Speaking for the two, Senator Schumer observed that while an
Israeli-Palestinian ceasefire had been negotiated by CIA chief George
Tenet, it might only provide a temporary reprieve from violence because:
as long as Yasser Arafat instructs the young people of Palestine to hate
the Jews in a way not unlike what the Germans did in the `30s ... then
there won't be peace.

And so Schumer announced that he and Clinton were writing to President
George W. Bush urging him to press Arafat to end the use of hateful,
anti-Israel rhetoric in official Palestinian statements, schoolbooks and
newspapers and make that agreement a precursor to any future talks.

For his prime evidence of this Palestinian incitement, Schumer cites what
he calls the sixth-grade textbook called `Our Country Palestine', put out
by the Palestinian National Authority. Schumer argues that the book states
There is no alternative to destroying Israel and then it says all of
Palestine is ours.

A briefing paper released by Schumer's press office repeats this claim.
The paper cites the above quote, claiming that it appears as the banner of
the title page of Volume I in `Our Country Palestine'. The book is
described as required reading under the new Palestinian sixth-grade
curriculum.

In response to questions at their press conference both senators further
elaborated on their charges noting that these books are used in all the
schools, according to Schumer, while Clinton added that: They're required.

The problem with the case presented by Schumer and Clinton is that it is a
fabrication based on a distortion.

The facts are: there is no sixth-grade Palestinian textbook called `Our
Country Palestine'. In fact, that book is not used in any Palestinian
schools; since 1967, the only textbooks used in the West Bank and Gaza
were Jordanian and Egyptian textbooks approved by the Israeli occupying
authority; after Oslo, the PNA was allowed, for the first time, to produce
its own educational material. Because of the costs involved, to date, the
PNA has only been able to issue its textbooks in the first and sixth
grades; the sixth-grade series does not include any book named Our Country
Palestine; there is an encyclopaedia named `Our Country Palestine', one of
the works by Palestinian author Mustafa Dabbagh. It was written in 1947
and subsequently reissued in 1988.

Dabbagh's life is, in fact, discussed in one of the PNA's sixth-grade
texts called `Our Beautiful Language'. In this treatment of his life, it
is merely mentioned that he wrote an encyclopaedia called `Our Country
Palestine'. This encyclopaedia is not in print, and is not currently
available in the West Bank or Gaza. A review of the books in this
encyclopaedia, however, makes it clear that nowhere is there the banner
There is no alternative to destroying Israel!

So where did Schumer get this information on which he based his erroneous
allegations? In November and December 2000, a group calling itself Jews
for Truth Now printed inflammatory ads in Israeli and US papers. These ads
feature the quote There is no alternative to destroying Israel and allege
it is the banner on the title page of `Our Country Palestine', which they
further allege is a book introduced [emphasis added] by the Palestinian
[National] Authority into the sixth-grade curriculum.

The information for this ad apparently comes from the work of another
group called the Centre for Monitoring the Impact of Peace (CMIP).
Starting from the slim thread that the PNA's sixth-grade text makes
mention of `Our Country Palestine', the CMIP charges that the PNA
introduced the book [an artful expression that could suggest, to a
careless reader, that the book is actually being used].

An independent Palestinian group run by Dr Hanan Ashrawi has reviewed the
CMIP report, complete with all the offensive quotes it alleges to have
found in `Our Country Palestine', and concludes that neither there is no
alternative to destroying Israel nor any of the other alleged quotes are
found anywhere in the book in question. And, of special concern here,
these quotes most certainly do not appear in any book used in the PNA's
sixth-grade curriculum.

And so now the trajectory of Schumer's lie may be traced.

Step 1: CMIP's review of `Our Beautiful Language' and its mention of
Dabbagh and his encyclopaedia `Our Country Palestine'. CMIP suggests that
`Our Country Palestine' has, therefore, been introduced into the
curriculum.

CMIP presents quotes they allege are from the book. These quotes do not
exist in the book in either its 1947 original printing nor its updated
1988 edition.

Step 2: Jews for Truth Now take the quote: There is no alternative to
destroyi

[CTRL] FC: As federal bureaucracies grow, beat reporting dies, from AJR (fwd)


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[Also see an article in the same issue about a photojournalist who shipped
his film to an agency -- then learned it was standard practice for the
State Department (in reality probably the CIA) to come in and review the
film. http://cryptome.org/bigwood.htm --Declan]

***

http://ajr.newslink.org/ajrfleesjuly01.html

By Lucinda Fleeson
 From AJR, July/August 2001

[...]

IN ITS LAST piece on Washington beat reporting, in April 1999, AJR found
that many newspapers and wire services had walked away from covering
federal agencies and departments--long regarded as the meat of good
reporting in Washington. Much of the media simply abandoned departments
like transportation or housing or agriculture. In the last two years, there
has been further decline. Now, there are no full-time reporters at the
Department of Veterans Affairs--the third-largest federal workforce,
eclipsed only by the Pentagon and the Postal Service. Nor are there any
regular reporters devoted to doings at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Several newspapers have made further cutbacks in coverage at the Labor
Department, Internal Revenue Service and Social Security Administration as
well as once must-do beats at the State Department and the Pentagon.

[...]

Smaller bureau leaders say there is no reason to duplicate the already
excellent coverage offered by the AP and Reuters. As alternative,
supplemental news sources, they have to be selective, choose subjects that
they can do with more insight, more verve, more relevance to readers. If
news heats up on a particular subject, they deploy more forces as news
merits. A vast array of trade publications today covers the agencies in
incredible detail, and reporters read those journals. Thus, not only
Scripps Howard but Cox Newspapers, Copley News Service, Hearst Newspapers,
Gannett News Service and many papers such as the Boston Globe, Chicago
Tribune and Detroit News have minimized department and agency coverage or
eliminated it.

[...]

ONE REASON THAT reporters no longer stake out desks at federal agencies or
even visit much anymore is because they don't have to pick up press
releases in person or, in some cases, even attend press conferences. Most
agency press offices have become so adept at utilizing telecommunications
innovations that the practice of journalism has been changed dramatically.
At the Federal Communications Commission, for instance, where rulings on
high-tech companies translate into volatile trading jolts in the stock
market, the press office links as many as 100 reporters into telephone
press conferences. E-mails and faxes are distributed simultaneously to
hundreds of reporters.

[...]




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[CTRL] Chappaquiddick - July 1969: Ted Kennedy Was Framed By The CIA!!!

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The details are provided by Charles A. Schlund, who learned many of the CIA's 
*dirtiest* secrets in 1977:

From: chuck ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: The Framing of Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Date: 2001-06-26 23:12:44 PST

The following letter is how the CIA framed Ted Kennedy at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe to stop him from
ever running for present of the United States.

Ted Kennedy. In the CIA files in the Don Bolles papers was the
files on the framing of Ted Kennedy for the death of Marry Joe
Kopechne at Chappaquiddick by the CIA. In the CIA files that
George Bush had removed from the CIA was Ted Kennedy's file.

After the CIA had assassinated John F. Kennedy and framed
Oswald for the assassination and after the CIA had assassinated
Robert Kennedy and framed Sirhan Sirhan for the assassination
they needed a way of stopping the last Kennedy brother from ever
running for the presidency of the United States. They believed that
if they killed him it would look like the CIA had assassinated all the
brothers so the CIA decided to allow him to live and to discredit
him to stop him from being reelected by framing him at
Chappaquiddick for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne. By doing
this the CIA planned on stopping him from ever becoming president
of the United States of America. The following is how the CIA
framed Ted kennedy for the death of Mary Joe Kopechne at
Chappaquiddick.

I no longer remember all of the details because of the constant
electronic torture of me which is still being used against me to
limit my freedom of speech and damage my memory and ability
to write using electronic torture and sleep deprivation. The
following is what I still can remember while I'm being kept
disabled and in a electronically drugged state. Ted Kennedy and
the other couple were at the cabin and Ted Kennedy and Mary
Jo Kopechne were getting ready to leave. The CIA had drugged
one of the bottles that they were drinking from. I do not remember
all the details but I do remember that the bottle had a drug put into
it which would result in Ted Kennedy and Mary Joe Kopechne
becoming unconscious after drinking from drinks poured from the
bottle. I remember that just before they left they all drank a drink
that had been poured from the bottle. I believe it was a toast.

Ted Kennedy and the May Joe Kopechne left and started back
with Ted driving. On the road on the way back was barricades
and a detour sign that the CIA had put into place directing Ted
down the road they needed him on to conduct their planed murder
of Mary Joe. The CIA had positioned one car ahead of Ted's car
and another car was behind him. As soon as Ted entered the
detour the CIA moved the barricades to block off where he had
turned down so no else could come down the road until after they
had taken over Ted and his car. Ted was monitored the entire time
by the CIA. Mary Joe had passed out from the drug and Ted was
starting to pass out. The CIA car in front of Ted's car slowed down
so they could use their car to stop Ted's car from crashing as Ted
passed out. This worked fine and they were able to stop Ted's car.
After they got the car stopped they took Mary Joe and placed her
in the back seat and took Ted to the other car. Then two CIA
operatives replaced Ted and Mary Joe with the man in the driver
seat and a women operative replacing Mary Joe in the front seat.
Then all three cars proceeded to the bridge and as they drove they
called back by radio and the gave the orders in code to remove the
barricades.

The constable for that area was one of the CIA operatives in
charge of the operation. I still see him on TV saying how Ted
got away with murder. This constable was the person that set
up the car to go off the bridge which resulted in the death of Mary
Joe. He first prepared everything to make it look like Ted and her
were having an affair and that was why they turned down that road.
They were not having an affair. When they got to the bridge they
set up the car to send it off the bridge with Mary Joe still in the car.

The drug they had used was a special drug that would not show up
in the autopsy report because she would never be tested for that
drug. They had also planned on her stomach being full of water after
the crash. After rigging the gas pedal and steering and sending the
car off the bridge the car would not sink and floated nose down in
the water and was starting to float away. They got a rope on the car
and held it in place and one of them had to swim out to the car and
open the door to get it to sink It took the CIA 20 to 30 minutes to
make the car sink where they needed it to rest on the bottom.

They then prepared Ted Kennedy for the water. They put a injury
on him but I do not remember in detail what the injury was but it
was to make it look like that he was in the crash and was driving
the car that killed Mary Joe. They then took Ted Kennedy's body
out into the water on the side of

[CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Marijuana farmer, 75, jailed

2001-07-10 Thread kl


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--- Forwarded message follows ---

Who's safer when a 75-year-old man
is sent to jail for growing marijuana?

[July 10] WASHINGTON, DC -- Do you feel safer today? You ought to:
A few weeks ago, a 75-year-old Wisconsin farmer with severe arthritis,
glaucoma, and diabetes was sent to jail for growing marijuana. His 80-
year-old brother also faces charges for the same crime.

And they're not alone in the "Who'd-a-Guessed-They're-In-the-Drug-
Business?" Department: Over the past few years, two Old Order Amish
men, a Rabbi of the Year, and a 9-year-old boy have been charged with
selling drugs.

All of which proves that the War on Drugs has made selling illegal
substances so lucrative, say Libertarians, that almost anyone can be
tempted into breaking the law -- even past-their-crime-prime senior
citizens.

"When a crime wave is being fueled by Geritol, you have to surmise that
something is wrong with the law itself," said LP National Director Steve
Dasbach. "And when the Amish are riding get-away buggies after
making drug deals, you know the profit margin in illegal drugs has
become so ridiculous that even otherwise law-abiding people can be
corrupted.

"Whatever the cause, Americans have to decide if locking up senior
citizens, rabbis, and the Amish for drug crimes is an effective use of law
enforcement resources -- or whether police should, instead, be
concentrating on young, energetic murderers, robbers, and rapists."

In June, 75-year-old David Burmesch was sentenced to one year in the
county jail for growing marijuana on his farm. He was also ordered to
serve five years' probation, pay a fine, and perform 200 hours of
community service. His brother, Eugene, 80, is undergoing competency
hearings and could face a similar sentence. Burmesch said he grew
marijuana to help pay for the costs of raising his developmentally
disabled son.

The Burmesch brothers are just one example of America's surprising
new breed of drug dealers:

* In New York, Eli Gottesman, 74, who was once named "Rabbi of the
Year" by his colleagues, is facing charges that he smuggled cocaine
and marijuana into a federal prison. If convicted, he faces 20 years in
prison.

* Continuing the Torah'd crime wave, Yitzchal Fried, a 52-year-old
Orthodox rabbi, was arrested in February 2000 for selling seven ounces
of marijuana to a police informant in Brooklyn. Fried said the marijuana
was an "exit drug" that helps people get off heroin.

* In 1998, two Amish men in Pennsylvania were sentenced to a year in
prison for conspiring with a motorcycle gang to sell cocaine at an
Amish hoedown. Ironically, both men are Old Order Amish -- the most
conservative of all Amish sects -- and reject the use of automobiles,
electricity, and most modern conveniences.

* In May, a 9-year-old boy in Villisca, Iowa, was arrested for selling
marijuana to three 14-year-olds. The boy, who wasn't named because
he is a juvenile, will be sent for rehabilitation.

* In November 2000, the Reverend Travers C. Koerner, 55, was arrested
in Maryland for intent to distribute methamphetamines. The Episcopal
priest was found with $10,000 worth of drugs in his rectory.

What do these cases have in common? They prove that when the
government makes something illegal, the price goes up -- which tempts
more people into becoming criminals, said Dasbach.

"According to Joseph D. MacNamara, a research fellow at the Hoover
Institution, drug prohibition causes the price of drugs to be marked up by
as much as 17,000%," he said. "And the United Nations estimates that
the international black market in drugs is worth $500 billion annually.

"So we shouldn't be surprised that people choose to violate the law
when the law itself creates the enormous profits that fuel the drug
trade. If we want to stop tempting people into breaking the law, then we
need to eliminate the seductive lure of easy drug trade money. And the
only way to do that is by ending the War on Drugs.

"If we don't, then we better get used to the fact that people like 75-
year-old David Burmesch will continue to fill our prisons. And no
American will be safer if that happens."


--- End of forwarded message ---

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Best wishes

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 hand and it's good-by to the Bill of Rights.
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[CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Marijuana farmer, 75, jailed

2001-07-10 Thread Taercel

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Who's safer when a 75-year-old man
is sent to jail for growing marijuana?

[July 10] WASHINGTON, DC -- Do you feel safer today? You ought to: A
few weeks ago, a 75-year-old Wisconsin farmer with severe arthritis,
glaucoma, and diabetes was sent to jail for growing marijuana. His 80-
year-old brother also faces charges for the same crime.

And they're not alone in the "Who'd-a-Guessed-They're-In-the-Drug-
Business?" Department: Over the past few years, two Old Order Amish
men, a Rabbi of the Year, and a 9-year-old boy have been charged with
selling drugs.

All of which proves that the War on Drugs has made selling illegal
substances so lucrative, say Libertarians, that almost anyone can be
tempted into breaking the law -- even past-their-crime-prime senior
citizens.

"When a crime wave is being fueled by Geritol, you have to surmise that
something is wrong with the law itself," said LP National Director
Steve Dasbach. "And when the Amish are riding get-away buggies after
making drug deals, you know the profit margin in illegal drugs has
become so ridiculous that even otherwise law-abiding people can be
corrupted.

"Whatever the cause, Americans have to decide if locking up senior
citizens, rabbis, and the Amish for drug crimes is an effective use of
law enforcement resources -- or whether police should, instead, be
concentrating on young, energetic murderers, robbers, and rapists."

In June, 75-year-old David Burmesch was sentenced to one year in the
county jail for growing marijuana on his farm. He was also ordered to
serve five years' probation, pay a fine, and perform 200 hours of
community service. His brother, Eugene, 80, is undergoing competency
hearings and could face a similar sentence. Burmesch said he grew
marijuana to help pay for the costs of raising his developmentally
disabled son.

The Burmesch brothers are just one example of America's surprising new
breed of drug dealers:

* In New York, Eli Gottesman, 74, who was once named "Rabbi of the
Year" by his colleagues, is facing charges that he smuggled cocaine and
marijuana into a federal prison. If convicted, he faces 20 years in
prison.

* Continuing the Torah'd crime wave, Yitzchal Fried, a 52-year-old
Orthodox rabbi, was arrested in February 2000 for selling seven ounces
of marijuana to a police informant in Brooklyn. Fried said the
marijuana was an "exit drug" that helps people get off heroin.

* In 1998, two Amish men in Pennsylvania were sentenced to a year in
prison for conspiring with a motorcycle gang to sell cocaine at an
Amish hoedown. Ironically, both men are Old Order Amish -- the most
conservative of all Amish sects -- and reject the use of automobiles,
electricity, and most modern conveniences.

* In May, a 9-year-old boy in Villisca, Iowa, was arrested for selling
marijuana to three 14-year-olds. The boy, who wasn't named because he
is a juvenile, will be sent for rehabilitation.

* In November 2000, the Reverend Travers C. Koerner, 55, was arrested
in Maryland for intent to distribute methamphetamines. The Episcopal
priest was found with $10,000 worth of drugs in his rectory.

What do these cases have in common? They prove that when the government
makes something illegal, the price goes up -- which tempts more people
into becoming criminals, said Dasbach.

"According to Joseph D. MacNamara, a research fellow at the Hoover
Institution, drug prohibition causes the price of drugs to be marked up
by as much as 17,000%," he said. "And the United Nations estimates that
the international black market in drugs is worth $500 billion annually.

"So we shouldn't be surprised that people choose to violate the law
when the law itself creates the enormous profits that fuel the drug
trade. If we want to stop tempting people into breaking the law, then
we need to eliminate the seductive lure of easy drug trade money. And
the only way to do that is by ending the War on Drugs.

"If we don't, then we better get used to the fact that people like 75-
year-old David Burmesch will continue to fill our prisons. And no
American will be safer if that happens."

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[CTRL] Looking Back at Election 2000


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Looking Back at Election 2000

Two Attorneys/Authors Review Supreme Court's Role in Presidential
Election 2000

NEW YORK, July 9  The Supreme Court's decision in Bush vs.
Gore confounded some critics in the field of law. Two of them, Alan
Dershowitz, author of Supreme Injustice and Vincent Bugliosi, author
of The Betrayal of America, tell ABCNEWS' Charlie Gibson what they
think about the Court's handling of the historic case.

The following is an uncorrected, unedited transcipt of Charles
Gibson's interview with Alan Dershowitz and Vincent Bugliosi on
ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

ABCNEWS' CHARLES GIBSON: As everyone knows, the Supreme Court's term
recently ended, and it is a term that will always be remembered for
one case, and really one case only, Bush vs. Gore, the case that
decided the American presidency. Two new books compare that decision,
in their words, to a "hijacking" and a "betrayal." Alan Dershowitz,
author of "Supreme Injustice" is joining us here in New York this
morning. And Vincent Bugliosi, author of "The Betrayal of America."
And they both do join us now. I'm trying to think as I looked at
these books of a punch you guys pulled. I don't think there was one
anywhere. You say the court cheated the country, stole the election.
You compare them to white collar criminals. You call them the
felonious five, The majority in this case and you say some acted for
personal gain. That's strong stuff, so back it up.

ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, AUTHOR SUPREME INJUSTICE: First of all, it is an
obligation of lawyers to tell the truth. And many lawyers around the
country are saying what Vince and I are saying. We just published it.
We've had the guts to put it down and prove it. On this show, the
morning after the election, I promised your viewers, that I would not
let go of this because to me this was most outrageous and
disappointing decision and in "Supreme Injustice" I went through 500
opinions of these justices and I proved conclusively that if the shoe
had been on the other foot, if Gore had been ahead by a few hundred
votes and Bush needed the recount, these five justices would have
ruled the other way. That's the most serious accusation you can make
against justices. It violates their oath of office to administer
justice with regard to person. And I prove it by documentary evidence
in this Supreme Injustice.

GIBSON: You say either way they were going to give this to Bush.
Whether Gore had been ahead or whether Bush had been ahead.

DERSHOWITZ: The constant was Bush wins. The variable was the law. And
that's what I prove in Supreme Injustice.

VINCENT BUGLIOSI, AUTHOR THE BETRAYAL OF AMERICA: Well Charlie, a
preferatory remark. I will stake my prosecutorial reputation on the
fact that within the pages of this book, The Betrayal of America,
which is out in trade paperback now. And incidentally, next Sunday
night number four on the New York--on the New York Times best seller
list.

GIBSON: OK, we mentioned the book.

BUGLIOSI: I prove beyond all reasonable doubt that these five
justices deliberately set out to hand the election to George Bush. In
the process they committed one of the biggest and most serious crimes
in American history. And because of what they did in a fair and just
world, they belong behind bars as much as any white collar criminal
who ever lived. I'll just give you some of the evidence. How do you
defend these people when they themselves in so many words confessed
to the crime? Molly Ivans and Gerry Spence were powerful forwards to
the book. Spence is considered to be the leading defense attorney in
the country. How would Spence defend these people when they
themselves, by necessary implication, confessed to the crime? If you
give me 30 seconds, I'll explain how. They confessed to the crime by
saying that their ruling, that different standards to count votes in
Florida violated equal protection clause only applied, they said, to
Bush v. Gore, not to other cases. But if their ruling set forth a
valid legal principle good enough for Bush v. Gore, why wouldn't it
be good enough for other cases? This is the first time, let me finish


GIBSON: Right. Yeah.

BUGLIOSI: this is the first time in the two hundred and ten year
history of the court that the court limited its ruling to the case
before it saying that it did not constitute legal precedent for any
other case. And this fact alone clearly and unequivocally shows that
these five justices were up to no good. That they knew their ruling
was bogus and fraudulent, because let me tell you Charlie, if their
ruling was based on the law there is no reason under the moon why
they would have said that it did not apply to other cases.

GIBSON: But someone--someone had to bring this to an end. We were on
the cusp of Constitutional crises in this country.

DERSHOWITZ: I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

GIBSON: Pragmatism demanded that someone say enough, and someone had
to validate it that way we're going. Otherwise we

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Baby breakthrough

2001-07-10 Thread Taercel


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> > Lesbian couples could soon be giving birth to babies that are genetically
> > their own thanks to a breakthrough technique originally developed to help
> > infertile men.

This is not really a breakthrough, more of an atavisticicism, biologically speaking:
One person's research:

From
http://www.bio.metu.edu.tr/~e076054/fer6.html

}}>Begin
Parthenogenesis
Parthenogenesis is the process in which eggs are activated and develop in  the
absence of a paternal genetic contribution. Parthenogenesis can be  natural or
artificial. Artificial parthenogenesis involves activation of  the egg by chemical
or physical means. Because the universal trigger for  activation may be a Ca+2 flux,
treatments that cause such a response can.  usually induce artificial
parthenogenesis. However, this only results in  a partial egg activation. DNA and
protein synthesis are not stimulated to  normal levels, and cell division does not
occur in A23187-activated eggs,  because they lack a sperm centriole and aster. The
so-called double  method for inducing artificial parthenogenesis in sea urchins
involves an  initial treatment with butyric acid (which probably activates the Ca+2
flux), followed by addition of hypertonic seawater (to induce egg asters  and cell
division), and can lead to complete development of parthenogenic  larvae. Likewise,
although pricking a frog egg with a clean needle  (thereby eliciting only a Ca+2
flux) leads to partial activation, using a  bloody needle yields embryos that
develop to the tadpole stage, because  the needle contains MTOCs from disrupted
blood cells.
Some animals  including some flatworms, rotifers, insects, amphibians,  and reptiles
reproduce by natural parthenogenesis. Natural  parthenogenesis is the normal
development of an animal without a paternal  genetic contribution. These animals
must overcome two important problems  that are normally solved by sperm entry.
First, alternate triggers must be developed to initiate their activation program.
The methods used for  this purpose are varied but usually involve physical
perturbations of the  egg. In parthenogenetic wasps, for example, activation is
caused by a  mechanical stimulus received by the egg as it passes out of the female
reproductive tract. The development of parthenogenetic beetles is initiated by
bacterial symbionts that enter the egg while it is in the  reproductive tract. Some
parthenogenetic salamanders exhibit an unusual  method of activation. They copulate
with a male of another salamander  species, and the nonspecific sperm enter and
activate the egg of the  parthenogenetic species. The sperm nucleus subsequently
degenerates in  the egg cytoplasm and does not contribute genetic material to the
embryo.  Second, parthenogenetic organisms must develop a means of attaining the
diploid chromosome number in the absence of pronuclear fusion. This  problem is
usually solved by imposing an extra round of DNA synthesis and chromosome
duplication either before meiosis or during the early cleavage of the  zygote.
Natural parthenogenesis has not been demonstrated in mammals.  Mammals may not have
evolved parthenogenesis because, unlike most other animals, genetic contributions
from both the sperm and egg are required  for development.


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: The number 54

2001-07-10 Thread Bill Howard


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After reading this post, the only thing that comes to mind is:

I can get well, really I can. Electro-convulsive theropy on a daily basis
will make me well.

But it won't make me a liberal, thank G*d.

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[CTRL] New York's "Subway Gunman" runs for mayor


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July 9, 2001, 1:44PM

New York's "Subway Gunman" runs for mayor

By ELLEN WULFHORST
Reuters

NEW YORK -- He's got name recognition any politician would envy, his views
need little publicity, and plenty of New Yorkers do a double take when they
see him in the street.

All that could be immensely helpful in a campaign to be mayor of New York,
except that this candidate is Bernhard Goetz.

The so-called Subway Gunman -- who shot four teen-agers on a grimy train in
an incident so controversial it still sparks heated debate 17 years later
-- is running for mayor.

Goetz, seen by some as a frightened New Yorker fending off assailants and
by others as a vengeful vigilante, has a petition drive to get on the
ballot, a detailed position platform and a bernieformayor.com website.

But he said in an interview that being mayor really isn't his goal, perhaps
a reasonable sentiment given his chances.

"I don't want to be mayor. You have to put up with a lot of stupidity," he
said.

The plan, he said, would be to appoint Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who is
barred by law from a third term, to keep running New York City. He said
Giuliani, under whose watch the city's murder rate has dropped to levels
not seen since the early 1960s, is the city's best mayor in decades.

Goetz rose to fame, or "sunk to notoriety" as he puts it, when, three days
before Christmas 1984, he shot four youths he said were trying to rob him
on a downtown Manhattan subway.

The youths, all of whom had arrest records and three of whom were carrying
screwdrivers, said they were panhandling.

In the huge public debate that ensued, supporters said he was the crime
victim who finally fought back. Critics said he was a racist who took
justice into his own hands.

Goetz is white, the youths black.

Goetz was acquitted of attempted murder but served eight months in jail for
illegal gun possession.

On the city's streets, people still turn and stare as they recognize the
tall, thin Goetz from countless newspaper photographs, his eyes like those
of a skittish deer in car headlights.

He lives alone in the same building as he did then, speaks softly with an
edgy, nervous energy and still works as a self-employed electronics technician.

"I have all kinds of people in the street stopping me, telling me I should
have killed all four of those guys," he said. "And I've had people on the
street screaming I'm a fascist.

"In a city as large as New York, you're guaranteed to have lots and lots of
people who have stupid opinions," he said. "I think a lot of people in New
York have their heads up their rear," he said in the interview in a New
York diner.

Goetz said he's gotten some responses to his web-based solicitation for
campaign volunteers and crank letters from only one person.

He's also attracted the attention of morning radio talk show host Howard
Stern, who recently aired what he proposed as good campaign jingles for the
subway shooter.

"He's the best candidate we've got," went one of the jingles. "Let's give
Bernie another shot."

It may not be a popular sentiment.

"His day has come and gone," declared former Mayor Ed Koch, who was mayor
in 1984 and condemned the incident as "vigilantism."

Ron Kuby, attorney for Darrell Cabey, the youth left permanently wounded by
the shooting, joked that Goetz would be "the perfect successor" to Giuliani.

"If there's one man who can carry on the legacy of racism and intolerance
and just plain explosiveness, it's Bernie Goetz," said Kuby, who misses few
opportunities to criticize the mayor on the radio talk show he co-hosts
with Guardian Angels founder Curtis Sliwa.

Cabey won a $43 million civil settlement against Goetz in 1997. Kuby said
the Cabey family has been unable to collect any of the money; Goetz claims
they haven't tried.

Goetz faces a battle against the six major candidates -- Public Advocate
Mark Green, Comptroller Alan Hevesi, City Council Speaker Peter Vallone,
Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer, all Democrats, and Republicans
financial mogul Michael Bloomberg and former Congressman Herman Badillo.

And he faces a battle against his past. But he voices no remorse and calls
his critics "stupid people."

"The victim does not have the choice of picking the color of his
assailant," he said. "I shot them. They were not shot because they were
black. They were shot because they were in the process of doing a robbery."

But though the topic makes his voice take on a slightly steely tone, Goetz
can make light of the incident that has guaranteed him a lifetime of notoriety.

Sitting in a diner near a noisy milkshake blender that kept interrupting
his interview responses, Goetz raised a finger and pointed an imaginary gun
at the diner counterman.

"If I had a gun, I'd shoot him," he said softly, with a slight twinkle in
his eye.

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[CTRL] FBI won't OK book that criticizes bureau


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FBI won't OK book that criticizes bureau
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The FBI has been holding-up publication of a former veteran
agent's manuscript critical of the bureau's handling of
fundraising scandals and national security-related cases.
Bureau employees are supposed to submit to pre-publication
review, giving the FBI power over public criticism. (07/10/01)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23569

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Re: [CTRL] CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?????


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what you are talking about is not new... it is not "these days". andrew, do
not be naive. if a policeman had been killed over the weekend then it is
going to be published. think about it- i am sure the government would
withold the info if it suited them- but it is in their interests to vilify
the rioters at the moment so the last thing they would do is quosh the
reporting of it.
anyway- you begin your argument by saying it is smothered by a d-noitice.
when it is pointed out that that is not likely really, then you change to it
is smothered by a maosnic nod and a wink...   go on, tell me about the
reptoids again, please? or are you not reading icke this week?




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Subject: Re: [CTRL] CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> thats not how news censorship operates anywhere these days.
> for instance the complete non-reporting of a Bilderburger conference. Mr
> Murdoch et  Al simply gets a little memo and thats it -
> Not ONE report  ANYWHERE on the PLANET
> so if someone says - simon the templar sez DO NOT report anything about
> Nazis - what they said or what was discovered about their intentions -
guess
> what ?? no reports on nazis.
> thats whats worrying about the english midlands - only the Nazis know what
> is really going on ...
>
> > and surely you must remember that a d-notice is not itself under a
> > d-notice... in that the news agencies may report that an item is
> restricted
> > by d-notice and is being presented in that context- ie. that the item is
> > censored.
> > >
>
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[CTRL] Supreme Court Dismisses Schlund v. DEA Lawsuit

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Charles Schlund gives his opinion on the Supreme Court's refusal to hear his case:

From: chuck ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: Re: The advent of AI is here but not publicized
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Date: 2001-07-04 13:58:30 PST

Chuck Wrote

True but the finest United States Supreme Court Justices money
can buy confirmed on 29 June 2001 in Schlund v The United
States that the technology is impossible and does not exist. When
we offered to prove the technology they refused to allow us to
present any evidence of any kind and when we repeatedly offered
the evidence they refused to allow us to present it or to hear or see it.

You must understand that murders, drug dealers and traitors can
not be protected from prosecution with out first having these
devices to torture and remove the witnesses against them. No new
good leaders are now possible and no one can challenge them in
any why unless it benefits them and they allow it.

America is no longer a free country and never will be again for all
of time and in time every citizen will be willfully or forcibly injected
and forced to do what they want them to do with total disregard to
any laws or human rights.

This is the rise of the Fourth Reich the conquest enslavement and
slaughter of mankind or as you know it the New World Order.

The Rockefeller family and the Nazis that work for them now own
America. This includes your children and their children for the rest
of time. Chuck

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[CTRL] Future Soldiers May Eat Different Kind of Chips


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http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2001/07/20010705231004.shtml
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Comments: Future Soldiers May Eat Different Kind of Chips

Thursday, July 5, 2001
By Senior Editor John H. Farr

An Associated Press article at SiliconValley.com discusses futuristic
projects some think the U.S. Army should be working on, and we just wondered
if there was anything there to be concerned about, seeing as how military
technology frequently finds its way into civilian markets after a while. How
about this: so-called "biomarkers" ingested in food that allow soldiers to
be tracked by satellite?

The article describes the biomarkers as "compounds," but to us they sound
like miniature electronic devices. [Perhaps one of you can enlighten us. --
Ed.] It hardly matters what they are, as the thought of long-distance
tracking of people made possible by what they eat scares us to death -- so
watch out for what gets served at Microsoft picnics! At any rate, such
niceties are but one of the goodies planned for the devilment --pardon us,
the benefit -- of future G.I.s. Just take a gander at this:

"Trudging through a thick, muggy jungle, the soldier remains cool, her body
temperature precisely controlled by her uniform.Incapable of seeing more
than 10 feet ahead, she is guided through an earpiece in her helmet by
someone at base camp who can trace her because a biomarker was in a
nutrition bar she ate earlier.
Breaking the jungle silence, an alarm in her wristwatch goes off, detecting
the presence of a toxic chemical agent. The visor on her helmet drops down,
and the uniform that monitors her vital signs administers the drugs
necessary to keep her safe and enable her to complete her mission."

All we can think of is that human doctors make plenty of mistakes on their
own. Imagine a "smart" uniform that shoots a soldier full of drugs based on
what the sensors tell its tiny computer brain, computers being flawless, as
we all know, and probably running on software by -- NO! We won't even go
there... These things do not make us feel better. And knowing the military,
we think "enable her to complete her mission" is much more important than
the "keep her safe" part.

The Army is apparently also funding areas of biotechnology not yet
considered profitable and so not pursued by corporations on their own, such
as "genetically altered foods that don't spoil and provide added nutrition."
Um, guys...

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[CTRL] Fw: Everything You Thought Was Yours - BELONGS TO THE GOVT


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From: "Freedom Project" 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:52 PM
Subject: Everything You Thought Was Yours - BELONGS TO THE GOVT


>
> Government Property Seizures Out of Control
> Jarret Wollstein
> Saturday, June 30, 2001
>
> Across America, the Drug Enforcement Administration is seizing the
> luggage, cash and cars of hapless travelers. Mere possession of a
> large amount of cash or a drug dog barking at your luggage is
> sufficient probable cause for police to legally seize everything you
> are carrying under America's new civil forfeiture laws.
>
> In Albuquerque, N.M., in February 2000, DEA agents detained Sam
> Thach, who was traveling on Amtrak from Fullerton, Calif., to
> Boston, and seized $147,000 in cash he was carrying. Thach had no
> drugs. His crime? He had bought a one-way ticket for cash and didn't
> give Amtrak his phone number. (1)
>
> The DEA seized $640,000 from Jennifer Leigh Ames while she was
> traveling on Amtrak on April 5, 2001. Agents say she looked nervous
> and had refused permission to search her luggage. (1)
>
> Former Newark, N.J., policeman Carlos Hernandez discovered police
> searching his Amtrak sleeper cabin and demanding to search his
> luggage on July 22, 1999. Hernandez's crime? He's Hispanic and paid
> for his $694 ticket in cash. (2)
>
> At Houston's Hobby Airport, police stopped 49-year-old Ethel Hylton
> and seized her luggage because a drug dog had scratched it. Agents
> searched her bags and strip-searched her but found no drugs. They
> did find $39,110 in cash from an insurance settlement and her life
> savings, accumulated through over 20 years of work as a hotel
> housekeeper and hospital janitor. M s. Hylton completely documented
> where she had gotten the money and was never charged with a crime.
> But the police kept her money anyway. Destitute, she had no way to
> fight them.
>
> These outrageous seizures are completely legal and have been upheld
> by the highest courts in the land, including the U.S. Supreme Court.
>
> The DEA's Web site claims, "Property is seized by the DEA only when
> it is determined to be a tool for, or the proceeds of, illegal
> activities such as drug trafficking, organized crime, or money
> laundering." But the above examples show the reality.
>
> Under civil asset forfeiture, your property - not you - is charged
> with a crime. Hence the bizarre title of civil forfeiture cases:
> "United States vs. one 1998 Mercedes Benz," "California vs. 1711
> Main Street," and so forth.
>
> Once your property is charged with a crime, it can be seized and
> kept by police, even if you are never convicted of anything. An
> appeals court in Florida even ruled that police can personally
> receive bounties of 25 percent of the value of anything they seize
> from you, such as your car, bank accounts or home.
>
> There are now more than 400 federal offenses and thousands of state
> and local offenses for which your cash, car, bank accounts and home
> can be seized - including shoplifting, hiring an illegal alien such
> as a maid (California), playing a car stereo too loud (New York),
> transporting illegal fireworks, gambling, having illegal drugs on
> your property, and merely discussing violating any law
> ("conspiracy"), such as underpaying your taxes.
>
> More than $1 billion in property is now seized without trial each
> year from innocent Americans, according to the national forfeiture
> defense organization FEAR (Forfeiture Endangers American Rights)
> (3). Seizures range from the pocket cash of poor street people ...
> to the cars of men accused of soliciting prostitutes ... to
> multimillion-dollar apartment buildings.
>
> Once police seize your property, the burden of proof is on you to
> prove your property's innocence. Any suspected illegal actions of
> your relatives, guests, friends and employees on or even near your
> property are sufficient grounds to seize it.
>
> In Montgomery, Ala., police seized the home of 69-year-old Gussie
> Mae Gantt after videotaping police informants buying drugs in her
> yard. Ms. Gantt had previously called the police, complaining about
> drug-dealing in her neighborhood, and had posted no-trespassing
> signs. The drug dealers wouldn't stop - so police set up a drug deal
> and confiscated her home.
>
> Easy Money for the Government
>
> Once your home, car, and bank accounts are seized under civil asset
> forfeiture laws, you can pretty much forget about ever getting them
> back. It's you versus the police and courts, who divide up the
> proceeds from your property according to formulas such as "80
> percent for police, 20 percent for the court."
>
> If you want to fight seizure of your property, expect to spend at
> least $15,000 just to hire a competent asset defense attorney. Also
> expect the police to introduce hearsay evidence and to go through
> trial after trial, because the normal constitutional protections
> afforded criminal suspects don't apply to civ

Re: [CTRL] CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?????


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thats not how news censorship operates anywhere these days.
for instance the complete non-reporting of a Bilderburger conference. Mr
Murdoch et  Al simply gets a little memo and thats it -
Not ONE report  ANYWHERE on the PLANET
so if someone says - simon the templar sez DO NOT report anything about
Nazis - what they said or what was discovered about their intentions - guess
what ?? no reports on nazis.
thats whats worrying about the english midlands - only the Nazis know what
is really going on ...

> and surely you must remember that a d-notice is not itself under a
> d-notice... in that the news agencies may report that an item is
restricted
> by d-notice and is being presented in that context- ie. that the item is
> censored.
> >

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[CTRL] Fw: The number 54


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From: "Kansan1225" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: The number 54


>   Chandra Levy has left behind an uncashed check for $54.  This was
given
> to her by her relatives on her birthday, April 14, at the end of this
year's
> Passover.  The number 54 stands for "triple Chai", i.e., "triple life",
with
> Chai = 18 in Hebrew Gematria ( 54 = 3 * 18 ).
>
>   Chandra was last seen on April 30, Walpurgisnacht and the
anniversary of
> Hitler's death.  Supposedly she sent an e-mail as late as May 1, May Day,
the
> anniversary of the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati in 1776.
>
>   On that day, May Day, 2001, 54 people were "accidentally" hurt at an
> amusement park near Cologne, Germany, Heidi Klum's hometown.
>
>   Chandra had to leave Washington, D.C., because her internship had
ended.
> She received this news on April 20, Hitler's birthday.  On that day Heidi
Klum
> sang the Noel part of the song "Teenage Dirtbag" in Milan.
>
>   Two months before, on February 20, Gerald Levin's Sports Illustrated
> swimsuit edition came out, featuring the embrace between Heidi and Eddie
George
> of the Tennessee Titans:
>
> http://www.klumnet.com/hksi2001m06.jpg
>
>   Their intertwined bodies form a Star of David, or Seal of Solomon.
At
> that time Heidi was 27 years old, Eddie wears the No. 27 jersey for the
Masonic
> blue Titans:
>
>   27 + 27 = 54
>
>   Heidi Klum's first movie was "54", released by Harvey Weinstein's
> Miramax, a subsidiary of Michael Eisner's Disney..
>
>   Chandra Levy belongs to the Tribe of Levy, as does Monica Lewinsky.
> Monica was born on July 23, 1973, the same year as Heidi.
>
>   Bill Clinton was born on August 19, 1946.
>
>   From July 23 to August 19 there are 27 days.
>
>   From 1946 to 1973 there are 27 years.
>
>   27 + 27 = 54
>

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[CTRL] bradford riots - what's true ??


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/talk/talk_disturbances.shtml

the BBC have reserved the right NOT to include any contribution
they felt like keeping out -
yeah yeah no way for the nazis - but if MI5 are on the editing desk who is
to say what we get here isn't phoney ???

after all Kombat18 was constituted by MI5 as a deniable ops during the
1960's-70's in case the government was taken over by reds -
and it just so happens that severe right wing are in on the combat in
bradford - I just don't trust the 'bbc'

andrew

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Re: [CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?????


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sorry to burst your bubble- but your travelling friend is mistaken.

and surely you must remember that a d-notice is not itself under a
d-notice... in that the news agencies may report that an item is restricted
by d-notice and is being presented in that context- ie. that the item is
censored.



- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Hennessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:02 PM
Subject: [CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> UK  - D-NOTICE WARZONE  ??  andrew hennessey
>
> I have unconfirmed reports from someone recently travelling
> that the english midland riots are extensive with police fatalities -
extra
> officers draughted in from all over the country cannot handle it - and
that
> houses have been burning as well as cars.
>
> The 'quality' newspapers are full of wimbledon and cheeky chappies
somewhere
> far away - and how the internet is a nasty place full of things we don't
> want to see and hear and it needs immediate control by the authorities -
but
> I have not heard mention of the extensive nature of civil unrest that this
> report appears to highlight.
> If this is under a D-Notice then no newspaper will touch it.or any media
for
> that matter.
> If this is true about the large scale civil war then there will be very
few
> ways to have it confirmed or denied in the UK
>
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[CTRL] Charles Schlund v. DEA

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This case went all the way up to the Supreme Court, but on Friday, June 29, 2001 the
Supreme Court *dismissed* the case. You won't hear a word about this very important
case in the controlled media [where REAL news is forbidden]. You can read the lawsuit
at the following URL :

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This case is much too important to allow the media to ignore it. Please spread the
word!

U.S. SUPREME COURT DOCKET NO.

IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

CHARLES AUGUST SCHLUND, III
and RANDY D. LANG,

Petitioners

vs.

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, et al,

Respondents.

ON APPEAL FROM THE JUDGMENT OF THE UNITED STATES

COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT

C.A. NO. 00-15-126

(D.CT. NO. CIV-98-1875-PHX-RCB)

PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI

[snip]

2. Appellant Schlund, an ex-United States Marine, was solicited by the
United States Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) to participate in various
activities of an illegal nature. He refused. He was then set up by the
DEA with fabricated evidence and arrested and charged as being an
alleged drug manufacturer in Cave Creek, Arizona. The conspiracy by the
DEA to fabricate the evidence was a planned scheme designed to enable
them to create a reasonable suspicion and probable cause for creating an
investigation task force to place Appellant Schlund under surveillance,
to invade his privacy, due process, remoe Schlund as a witness to
corruption in the DEA, and other constitutional protection and those of
whom he comes in contact with. Also, to discredit him as a political
witness and utilize electronic surveillance for information gathering
concerning all those of whom he comes in contact with, including, but
not limited to, the attorney-client privilege, physician-patient
privilege, clergyman-penitent privilege, privacy of voting privilege,
privacy of association, privacy of speech, etc. The gross intrusions
were also made of his body, personal residence, papers, affects and
things. He asserts in his verified Complaint (Complaint) and many
affidavits filed in the case that during one or more of the episodes of
intrusion, subcutaneous body implants of a CIA design were used by the
DEA (Electronic Implants) and separately various forms of electronic
vibration, sounds, magnetic fields, radio waves, and other unknown forms
of torture have been imposed upon him through electronic force resulting
in torturing of him as a form of retaliation and violation of his civil
rights, causing him extensive losses and damages, personally and in his
commercial activities.
3. Petitioner Lang asserted a single declaratory relief cause of
action, asserting the Government does not have the right to use
sophisticated surveillance telecommunications activities and other
integrated devices and methodologies to violate his rights to privacy
and association with Schlund or other members of the public. Or to
harass, torture, or otherwise violate his or other third parties of whom
he associates, or violate protective privileges also set forth above.
Lang asserted the course of intervention for a declaratory judgment is
necessary to prevent violations under color of authority or retaliate
against him for his association with Petitioner Schlund (Appendix Nos.
3-5).
4. Petitioner Schlund's Criminal Acquittal. Despite the fact the DEA
violated their oath of office while acting under color of law for the
purpose of fabricating evidence, perjured testimony, and other illegal
acts outside the course and scope of their authority, and in violation
of Petitioner Schlund's rights (Appendix No. 5), Petitioner set the
matter for a jury trial. It was established at the trial that the
Government used an alleged informant who lied to induce Schlund by
means of illegal entrapment to come to the location of a laboratory
under false pretenses. The laboratory was set up by the Government to
suck Schlund into the entrapment posture to remove Schlund as a witness
against the DEA to conceal massive corruption in the DEA. Petitioner
Schlund did go to the location, where he was recorded by electronic
surveillance cameras and other telecommunications related devices and
methodology, showing Schlund performing various activities at the
Government's (DEA) directions at the property located in Arizona
(Appendix No. 5). Petitioner Schlund then left the residence where the
so-called laboratory was located and was followed by the Government
surveillance agents who then arrested him without a warrant and alleged
on probable cause they believed he was operating an illicit
methamphetamine laboratory (Appendix Nos. 3 and 5).
5. Later, on January 3, 1979, Petitioner Schlund after a jury trial,
was acquitted in the United States District Court, Phoenix, Arizona of
all charges of conspiracy, etc. related to the trumped up dr

[CTRL] UK - D-NOTICE WARZONE ?????


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UK  - D-NOTICE WARZONE  ??  andrew hennessey

I have unconfirmed reports from someone recently travelling
that the english midland riots are extensive with police fatalities - extra
officers draughted in from all over the country cannot handle it - and that
houses have been burning as well as cars.

The 'quality' newspapers are full of wimbledon and cheeky chappies somewhere
far away - and how the internet is a nasty place full of things we don't
want to see and hear and it needs immediate control by the authorities - but
I have not heard mention of the extensive nature of civil unrest that this
report appears to highlight.
If this is under a D-Notice then no newspaper will touch it.or any media for
that matter.
If this is true about the large scale civil war then there will be very few
ways to have it confirmed or denied in the UK

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[CTRL] Torture and Mind Control Lawsuit against the United States of America


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U.S. SUPREME COURT  DOCKET NO.

IN THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT

 CHARLES AUGUST SCHLUND, III
  and RANDY D. LANG,

 Petitioners

  vs.

  THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, et al,

Respondents.

ON APPEAL FROM THE JUDGMENT OF THE UNITED STATES

COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT

C.A. NO. 00-15-126

(D.CT. NO. CIV-98-1875-PHX-RCB)

PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI

 Charles August Schlund, III
8520 N. 54th Drive
Glendale, AZ   85302
(602) 670-2017 (M)
Petitioner In Pro Per

Randy D. Lang
11024 N. 28th Dr., Ste. 200
Phoenix, Arizona   85029
(623) 878-7270 (O)
Petitioner in Pro Per

I. QUESTIONS PRESENTED FOR REVIEW.

 A. Was the joint failure and refusal of the Central District Court and
Appellate Court to issue, per Petitioner's repeated written requests,
findings of fact and conclusions of law a gross departure from the
normal and customary course of procedure any of the Questions for Review
stated below, justifying the Supreme Court's supervisory review? (See,
Appendix Nos. 3,4,5, and 7-12).
 B. Did the Central District Court and the Ninth Circuit Court of
Appeals violate Petitioners' constitutional due process rights by
continuously failing and refusing to make any findings of fact and
conclusions of law, despite Petitioners' repeated written requests for
the courts to do so?  (See Appendix Nos. 3,4,5 and 7-12).
 C. Did the District Court's failure and refusal to make any findings of
fact and conclusions of law, in disregard of the Federal Rules of Civil
Procedures, Rules 43, 52(c), and 65 and Petitioners' repeated written
request and Petitioners' request per Federal Rules of Evidence 201 (to
take mandatory judicial notice of such requests) and such rules cause
prejudicial error by eliminating Petitioners' factual and legal basis
for review by the Supreme Court under Supreme Court Rule 14(i)(h)(i)(ii)
and (vi)?  (See Appendix Nos. 3,4,5 and 7-12).
 D. Whether the District Court's satisfaction of the Government's
fabrication of facts and no affidavits or any other evidence but mere
attorney ipse dixit opinion to support its two-page Motion for summary
Judgement result in prejudicial error, violating Petitioners'
constitutional rights.  Likewise, the Ninth Circuit Appellate Court's
notification causing same result?  (See Appendix Nos. 6, 9, 10, and 12).

 E. Whether the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals' refusal and failure to
issue findings of fact and conclusions of law on any of Petitioners'
appellate motions on appeal, per their
i
  continuous written requests, caused prejudicial error and violated
their constitutional due process rights, leaving them without an
adequate record for review by the Supreme Court?  (See, U.S. Sup. Ct.
Rule 14 (h)(i)(vi) [...findings of fact and conclusions of law...]).

ii
II. LIST OF ALL PARTIES

All parties and the Solicitor General of the United States have been
served by First Class Mail (U.S. Sup. Ct. Rule 29) this 14th day of
March, 2001 as follows:

 Charles August Schlund, III
 8520 N. 54th Drive
 Glendale, AZ   85302
 (602) 670-2017 (M)
 Plaintiff/Appellant/Petitioner In Pro Per

 Randy D. Lang
 11024 N. 28th Dr., Ste. 200
 Phoenix, Arizona   85029
 (623) 878-7270 (O)
 Plaintiff/Appellant/Petitioner in Pro Per

 Richard G. Patrick
 Assistant U.S. Attorney
 4000 United States Courthouse
 230 North First Avenue
 Phoenix, AZ   85025
 (602) 514-7500
 Attorney for Defendant/Appellees/Respondent
 U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration

 Solicitor General of the United States
 Room 5614, Dept. Of Justice
 950 Pennsylvania Ave.
 N.W. Washington D.C.   20530-0001
 Interested Non-named Party (U.S. Sup. Ct. Rule 29(4)(a))


 by:
   Randy D. Lang

iii
TABLE OF CONTENTS

   Page

I. QUESTIONS PRESENTED FOR REVIEW i

II. LIST OF ALL PARTIES   iii

III. INTEREST OF PETITIONERS  v

IV. TABLE OF AUTHORITIES   vi

V. PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI 1

VI. OPINION BELOW1

VII. STATEMENT OF JURISDICTION  1

VIII. UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, STATUTORY PROVISIONS, 1
 AND THE PROTECTION AGAINST TORTURE AND HUMAN
 RIGHTS ACT

IX. STATEMENT OF THE CASE AND THE FACTS 2

X. LEGAL ARGUMENTS

 A. The Court Erred in Interpreting The Supreme Court's Decision  11
of Celotex Corp. V. Catrett And Failed to Make Findings of Fact And
Conclusions of Law, Despite Petitioners Requ

[CTRL] Fw: Baby breakthrough for lesbians


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> From This Is London,
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> eview_text_id=361415
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> Baby breakthrough for lesbians
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> by Patrick Sawer
>
> Lesbian couples could soon be giving birth to babies that are genetically
> their own thanks to a breakthrough technique originally developed to help
> infertile men.
>
> Doctors believe they have discovered a way of fertilising an egg with
cells
> from any part of the body rather than sperm and have successfully used the
> method with mice.
>
> The Australian research, which complements efforts to allow women to
> "reprogramme" donated eggs with their own genetic recipe, was intended to
> aid couples to have a baby that is their own genetic offspring even when
the
> man has no sperm or even sperm-making cells.
>
> But fertility expert Lord Winston, of Hammersmith Hospital, warned that
care
> had to be exercised over these developments. "These are extraordinarily
> interesting experiments," he said. "But the issue of increasing importance
> with all these kinds of developments is whether genes are used correctly
> after fertilisation."
>
> One of the team from Monash University in Melbourne, Dr Orly
Lacham-Kaplan,
> admitted that, in theory, the technique could allow a lesbian couple to
have
> a baby, with one woman contributing an egg and her partner fertilising it
> with a cell. However, there could be a problem in combining the genes of
two
> women because certain aspects of development are controlled by male genes
> and vice versa. Dr Lacham-Kaplan added: "But we have no proof yet that it
is
> or is not a problem."
>
> Her team has fertilised a normal mouse egg by using a cell taken from the
> body of a male, an artificial gamete. Unlike sperm, the body cell has two
> sets of chromosomes, so to overcome this hurdle researchers employed
> cellular machinery used by unfertilised eggs to eject a spare set of
> chromosomes when it encounters sperm.
>
> During normal fertilisation, two sets of chromosomes in an egg are
separated
> and one is ejected in a package that biologists call the polar body,
leaving
> a single set to combine with another from the sperm.
>
> Following fertilisation of the mouse egg, Dr Lacham-Kaplan's team used
> chemicals to persuade the egg to carry out the normal fertilisation
stages -
> releasing its spare set of chromosomes into a polar body. But this time,
the
> body cell also expelled its spare set into a second polar body. The team
> thus had two polar bodies and a fertilised egg, with one set of
chromosomes
> from the mother and the second from the adult cell.
>
> "This was similar to an embryo derived from fertilisation by sperm," said
Dr
> Lacham-Kaplan.
>
> The embryos have gone on to develop relatively normally in the lab and the
> Melbourne team is now set to transfer them into the wombs of surrogate
mice.
>
> Once the animals have given birth, their offsprings' behaviour, genetics
and
> ability to reproduce future generations healthily will be tested. "Only
> then," said Dr Lacham-Kaplan, "we may be able to examine the technique in
> the human."
>
> A similar proposal to allow homosexual men to have their own children
> created a stir. It was suggested that a male egg would be created by
> removing DNA from an egg donated by a woman and swopping it with that from
> sperm.
>
> This too would be an adaptation of the technique under development which
> enables donated eggs to be "reprogrammed" with the DNA from an infertile
> woman so she can have her own children.
>
> --
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Re: [CTRL] Condit admits affair with Levy


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One must consider, Clinton and Condit had let us say mutual friends -
this Lasater, an organized crime figure from Arkansas with whom it is
alleged Condit dined the night before Chandra disappeared?

For one does not turn their back on their friends - for your friends,
are my friends - and mine enemies are your enemieswhen you are
inside the Mafia and you are asked to do something and you hedge - well,
a big door is closed but the word is - I will get even if it takes a 100
years, which is a long time in our life span but not in the bigger
pictures?

If Condit voted the wrong way here - he was no friend and not to be
trusted..he placed himself before the King whom he thought would be
impeached - did he take a chance and lose?

Regardless, he is a piece of crap and bring on the muckrakers..he is
dead man walking.

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Re: [CTRL] Rep. Condit Criticized in Case of Missing Intern

2001-07-10 Thread flw


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> Rep. Condit Criticized in Case of Missing Intern
>
> By Lori Santos
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The congressman caught up in the case of a missing
> intern withheld crucial information from police and should be a suspect in
> her disappearance, a former federal prosecutor said on Sunday.

I won't assume Condit is guilty of anything unless he brings
in Jesse Jackson as a "spiritual adviser."
flw

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[CTRL] FC: Markle survey says Americans want more Net-regulation (fwd)


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The study itself:
http://www.markle.org/news/InternetAccountability.pdf

Washington Post writeup:
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38828-2001Jul9.html

This line from the NYT article is a keeper:
>But not everyone agrees that the Internet needs more regulation.

And another:
>That may mean finding a way to wield public influence in decisions about
>privacy, the quality of information and consumer protection, power now
>typically left to business executives and technologists who design
>software, Ms. Baird said, because in many ways, technology has replaced
>government as the main regulator of online behavior.

Technology replacing government? Someone should tell Ms. Baird that this is
a good thing. I hope this trend accelerates, not slows.

-Declan

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>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:45:56 +0900
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>
>
>
>Survey About Accountability Online
>
>By AMY HARMON
>
>The first major study of public attitudes about accountability online
>found that Americans would like to have significantly more input into the
>rules that govern the Internet.
>
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>
>Adam



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Re: [CTRL] The 10 worst countries in the world

2001-07-10 Thread flw


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This list is incomplete. It doesn't mention the good ole
US of A. No country has been responsible for the deaths
of more civilians throughout the world in the past 50 years
except perhaps for the old Soviet Union and Mao's China.
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[CTRL] [WACO] Paul D. Wilcher, Attorney letter to Janet Reno (fwd)


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[Waco] Paul D. Wilcher, Attorney letter to Janet Reno
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=4238

 The Paul D. Wilcher, Attorney letter to Janet Reno on what
 really happened at Waco. Dated: Friday, May 21st, 1993

 Defrauding America Pg 416 (First Edition)
 http://www.defraudingamerica.com/
 Rodney Stich can be reached via email at:
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 by calling at any time, 1-800-247-7389

 Another Death:
 Hours before this book was to go to press, I learned of another death
 of one of our small group, Attorney Paul Wilcher. Marion Kindig, a
 friend of mine, expressed concern about Wilcher's sudden Disappearance.

 Sarah McClendon asked the Washington police to go to Wilcher's
 apartment to check on his safety, stating that several friends had not
 seen Wilcher for the past two weeks and that they feared foul play.
 The Police refused to do so. I called Marion late Tuesday night in
 Washington suggesting steps she should immediately take the following
 morning to get into Wilcher's apartment.

 The next morning Wilcher was found dead, sitting upright on the toilet.
 He had apparently been killed elsewhere, tied in a fetal position, and
 rigor mortis set in. He may have been brought back to his apartment and
 placed on the stool, to look like a natural death. It wa made to look
 like a suicide, but a body does not freeze into that position when a
 person dies, the body falls over. Swarms of FBI agents appeared, going
 out of their way to tell Marion and McCledon that they had not interest
 in the case.
 -
 From: John B. Purkop, December 19, 1993 - 206-840-8074
 Paul Wilcher left three teenage children whose mother struggles to basic
 necessities of life. They are good children, the kind you don't see much
 these day day's

 Paul Wilcher was a multi millionaire lawyer/real estate inventory in
 Chicago.

 After building up a $60,000.000 real estate empire, he made a mistake
 that cost him everything...  Judges in Chicago's bankruptcy courts,
 successfully bankrupted him and took from him his entire fortune.

 For over ten years, Paul stayed in Chicago and tried to fight and expose
 the corruption in Chicago's bankruptcy courts. This is how he was
 associated with Sherman Skolnick and Jim Vassolos. Paul spent every
 penny he could earn in those ten years, just fighting the corruption in
 Chicago. For most of these years, his wife Carol supported him and their
 Children.
 ---
 Paul Wilcher's FULL REPORT w/ letter (103 pages)
 Letter to Attorney General Janet Reno dated May 21, 1993
 About what really happened at Waco

 Page 1

 Re: (1) Vital NEW information concerning the conflagration at David
 Koresh's Branch Davidian compound, "Ranch Apocalypse," outside Waco
 Texas, on Monday, April 19th, 1993, which is now being kept from you
 covered up -- i.e., that what happened was NOT a "mass suicide," but
 rather a MASS MURDER;

 (3) The extreme sensitivity of this information, and my specific
 proposal as to how you should handle it. The lives of key participants,
 other witnesses, and even myself are now in grave danger as a result of
 my passing this information on to you. If you let this information fall
 into the hands of the wrong persons, some or all of those who know the
 truth about Waco and are now prepared to come forward and testify could
 well be "silenced" (i.e., MURDERED) in the very near future;

 Page - 45
 (c) And then above the DCI and the Joint Chiefs, at the very Pinnacle of
 power, sits a top secret council of nine (9) men -- whose names I do
 not know, and would not recognize even if I stumbled across them --
 but who nevertheless have the power, and who regularly exercise this
 power -- to order the "termination with extreme prejudice" of any
 person on earth, up to and including the President of the United States.

 Page 101 of Paul Wilcher Report to Janet Reno:

 MY PLAN ON HOW TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH OF WACO & END THE CIA'S
 "ABOVE THE LAW" STATUS -- IMMUNITY FOR 16 OR SO "BLACK"
 OPERATIVES IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR COMPLETE TESTIMONY ON WACO
 AND ALL OTHER MATTERS PLUS PROTECTION FOR THEMSELVES AND
 THEIR FAMILIES

 ATTORNEY GENERAL  JANET RENO - Friday, May 21st, 1993
 Slow loading...(worth the wait!)
 Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PW_report1.pdf
 Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PW_report2.pdf
 Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PW_report3.pdf

 Part 1 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PWreport1.zip
 Part 2 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PWreport2.zip
 Part 3 http://www.apfn.org/wacoinfo/PWreport3.zip

 (APFN, A copy of this report was sent to the Waco
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[CTRL] Fwd: Israelis Destroy Homes of Palestinians in Two Areas


This is a lovely story - reminds me of WACO but then who was in charge
of the store then?

The day of reckoning is coming - and maybe someone is about to feel as
Timothy McVeigh circled in his Gideon bible "the wrath of God".

Isralis are bullies and the USA if they are serious about stopping the
war and slaughter - just cut out the aid to Israel?

Slowly we have seen the real monster emerging from the dark closets and
brining their plagues with them.

This time the Israelis bring the police for protection like Nazis did oh
so long ago and one must wonder was Adolph Hitler really Jewish and if
you look in the bible you find his Thousand Year Reich in the making?

Sieg Heil virtually means according to my one ancient concordance - God
Is Alive.

Yet we are told in America, God is dead 
Yes I hear the Wurlitzers playing for they have never stopped - the
neverending story until every last drop of oil, is spent - then they are
prepared to take the water.

Saba


July 10, 2001


 AutoIsraelis Destroy Homes of Palestinians in Two Areas

By JOEL GREENBERG

JERUSALEM, Tuesday, July 10  Israeli wrecking crews protected by
hundreds of riot police officers destroyed 14 homes at the edge of a
Palestinian refugee camp in East Jerusalem on Monday in the biggest
demolition campaign in the city's Arab neighborhoods in recent years.
Houses were also demolished early today at a refugee camp in the Gaza
Strip.

At the Shuafat refugee camp in East Jerusalem, bulldozers tore down 14
unfinished homes built by Palestinian families who had planned to move
out of their cramped quarters in the camp. Mayor Ehud Olmert said the
structures had been built without permits.
Distraught families scuffled with police officers and some people threw
themselves on the ground in a futile attempt to block the wrecking
crews.

Five Palestinians were reportedly hurt and several were arrested. The
homeowners, served with demolition orders on Sunday, had no chance to
appeal.

Mr. Olmert, a member of the rightist Likud Party, defended the action,
calling illegal Arab building a cancer and a plague. He vowed to
continue the demolitions whenever necessary.

 (AP) The Israeli Army today entered the Palestinian territory in East
Jerusalem to level dozens of houses and shops in a refugee camp.
Fighting in Gaza Kills a Boy and Clashes in West Bank Wound 4 (July 8,
2001)
West Bank Settler Dies, Another Blow to Faltering Cease-Fire (July 4,
2001)
Little 'Quiet' in Israel: 3 Arabs Die, Palestinians Retaliate (July 3,
2001)
Expanded Coverage
In Depth: The Mideast Peace Process

Join the Weekly Focus on the Middle East

 Rina Castelnuovo for The New York Times A Palestinian woman, Umm Ali,
pleaded with Israeli security as her son's home was destroyed Monday.

Palestinians and civil rights advocates say it is virtually impossible
for East Jerusalem Arabs to obtain building permits because of Israeli
zoning restrictions intended to limit the growth of their neighborhoods
and restrict Arab population growth in the city.

The advocates cite official figures showing that far more illegally
built homes have been demolished in Arab neighborhoods than in Jewish
areas of Jerusalem. According to those figures, the demolitions today
exceeded the annual total of Arab homes wrecked by the city in recent
years.

The Shuafat camp, a garbage- strewn warren of cramped houses and narrow
alleys that receives virtually no city services, lies across a valley
from Pisgat Zeev, a sprawling Jewish neighborhood built on land captured
by the Israelis in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

Gazing at the rows of new homes going up across the valley, Wael
Muhammad Ali, a 38-year old father of seven, stood next to the ruins of
the four-story home he had built with his three brothers for their
families.

"They can build as much as they like, and I can't," Mr. Ali said of the
Israeli neighborhood. "I'm exploding."

Then he added: "I'm going to join Hamas and blow myself up," referring
to the militant Islamic group. "Write that down."

A statement issued by Orient House, the Palestine Liberation
Organization headquarters in East Jerusalem, called the Israeli action
"a serious provocation that will further inflame an already unstable
situation in East Jerusalem and jeopardize any remaining prospects for a
cease-fire."

In the Gaza Strip, Israeli Army bulldozers backed by tanks entered
Palestinian ruled teritory for the first time since a cease-fire was
agreed to last month, leveling 10 houses in a refugee camp in Rafah,
Palestinian security officlas said today.

The army said the houses were abandoned, and had been the source of
daily grenade and shooting attacks at Israeli positions and patrols.
The Israeli thrust set off a firefight with Palestinian gunmen in which
five Palestinians and three Israeli soldiers were reportedly wounded.

A victim of violence on Sunday, injured when a roadside bomb exploded
near his jeep south of Hebron in the West Bank, died today of his
wounds.

Capt.

Re: [CTRL] An Israeli in Palestine


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So Israelies outnumber the Palestinians vote.isn't this what is
happening in America where emmigrants must be black or asiatic or have
AIDS (18,000 must have this disease as qualification for entry) - is
this truly what is being done  - Mexican immigrants moving up and taking
over by population control?

What is behind this?   What is good for Israel takeover is good for
takeover of USA?

Telle me does Israel also take in 18,000  people a year with AIDs as a
must - and tell me why swimming pools for Israelies are full while
Palestinians get little water and is this the reason why they use wells
for "natural " water while they clorinate the pools for safety?

Something is just a little more rotten than the food that turns into
garbage here and so where do we stand today when we see this happening
in America once the most productive country in the world?

Keep your Powder Dry as they say, and arm up for now we have Americans
fighting for water who are being destroyed and this sounds very
familiar.

Israel to build a water line from Turkey to Israel putting them in
charge?   Osama - where are you; how many men will it take to blow up a
water line, one good Kamakazee Suicide Bomber?

Israel is like Titanic - all it took was a little bit of frozen water to
sink this luxury liner and hey, did you know it had a swimmiong pool
too?

Saba

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[CTRL] An Israeli in Palestine


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AN ISRAELI IN PALESTINE

Jeff Halper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

July 10, 2001

At 7:30 this morning (Monday), as I was about to travel with other members
of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions to the besieged town of
Beit Umar, near Hebron, where tons of produce cannot be transported to
market and are rotting while the inhabitants face severe hunger, I got a
call that six bulldozers accompanied by hundreds of soldiers were entering
the Shuafat refugee camp to the north of Jerusalem.  The ICAHD members
proceeded to Beit Umar (a report on that later), while Arik Aschermann of
Rabbis for Human Rights, Liat Taub, a student and ICHAD staff member, Gadi
Wolf, a conscientious objector who just served time in jail, and I headed
for Shuafat,

On the way I had that sinking feeling of powerlessness mixed with outrage
that always accompanied me to events like this - an equal mixture of
responsibility, anger at the injustice, the fundamental unfairness of it
all, and helplessness in the face of an unmoving, uncaring, cruel and
supremely self-righteous system of oppression. On the way we all worked our
cell phones, Arik calling the press, me calling the embassies and
consulates (both the American and European consulates are very responsive
and forthcoming), Liat and Gadi calling our lists of activists to join us,
keeping in touch with our Palestinian partners as well. Meit Margalit, a
Jerusalem City Council from the Meretz party who has been a steadfast ally,
and Salim Shawamreh, our Palestinian partner who lived in Shuafat before
building a home of his own in nearby Anata, which was demolished three
times, waited for us.

We passed through the familiar and profoundly banal streets of West
Jerusalem, with people all around going about their "normal" lives, passing
the thousands of apartments built for Israelis in East Jerusalem (50,000
more or less, so that the 200,000 Israelis living in East Jerusalem today
outnumber the Palestinian population), neat stone-faced apartment blocks
framed with trees, shrubbery and lawns, served by wide streets and
sidewalks. Once past the neighborhood/settlement of French Hill, however,
the landscape changes, though we remain within the city of Jerusalem as
defined by Israel in 1967. The hillsides become barren, strewn with shells
of old cars and garbage. The houses are small, scattered and made of
unattractive cement blocks. No trees, no lawns, no sidewalks, certainly no
parks - just narrow, dusty, pot-holed streets with no street lights.
People, kids walking on the shoulders, competing for space with mini-vans
and old cars.  The Third World just a hundred meters down the road, and in
the same city.

And then the soldiers.  As we approached the main entrance to the camp, we
saw hundreds of soldiers, Borders Police and regular police (Uzi Landau,
our Minister of "Internal Security" and one of the Likud's Rejectionist
Front on peace, said Sunday in the Ma'ariv newspaper that he will provide
all the police the Jerusalem municipality needs to demolish houses.) Some
were mounted on horseback, others in the dozens of military jeeps that
blocked all the entrances to the camp and patrolled its maze of alleyways.
We parked and walked in - careful to stay in touch with Salim, who sent
some people to escort us, uncertain how Israelis would be received at such
a time.  We were received well.  Walking with our hosts I was struck by how
"normal" life was continuing.  Kids played in the street, men worked in the
garages along the roads, women went about their business.  Just a few
minutes away houses were being demolished, the camp was completely overrun
by soldiers, yet people had developed a way to continue their lives no
matter what.  Sumud, steadfast, is the Arabic name for it.

We walked through the crowded camp of some 25,000 people, finally coming
out on the top of a hill overlooking the periphery of the camp and, across
the wadi, the narrow valley, the Jerusalem settlement of Pisgav Ze'ev
looming over Shuafat from the opposite hill. Juxtaposed in this way, the
injustice virtually hit you in the face. Here was a crowded camp, layers of
jerry-built concrete homes separated by the narrowest of alleyways, leading
down a slope where the raw sewage of the camp flowed to the houses where
the bulldozers had already started their demolition work (you could hear
the hack-hack-hack of the pneumatic drills collapsing the concrete roofs),
and then, just a couple hundred meters away, the massive modern housing
project of Pisgat Ze'ev ("Ze'ev's Summit," named after the Likud's founding
father Ze'ev Jabotinsky) with its manicured lawns and trees. And separating
these two world: the stream of sewage down below (Pisgat Ze'ev has its own
closed sewage system, thank you), and the "security road" where the army
patrols at night, guarding the residents of Pisgat Ze'ev from their
neighbors.

In order to avoid the soldiers and police, we walked through the alleyways
and down the slope, sloshing

Re: [CTRL] Sinn Fein Forever - More from Irish Republican News


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Well I guess Andrew, the subject is still Roses

Know now why Roses, have thorns.

Saba

Hey Andrew - watch out for Hiliary Clinton is giong to speak in Scotland
on "economic development"...this is the key to the Globalists entry
to any kingdom

What snake oil will she be selling to the Scotch an I hope the Scotch
check this out and send out the pickets ..she is a Trojan Horse with
Gay Pride backing..she also should have a physical before anyone
shares the john with her.

She is a Marxist with Marxist backing and I wonder which flag she will
fly in Scotland?

Was she invited there and if so by whom?   She tried to push the
sodomites into the St. Patrick's Day parade - wonder if she dare go to
Ireland with the IRA and Sinn Fein arming up?

Saba

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the problem with this stuff is that it doesn't go away,
it just spreads like a cancer - everybody knows somebody that
has been affected - therefore no reason NOT to Hate,
serbia, palestine -

now the Head of the Orange Order in Scotland has vowed to take up arms if
Scotland wants to become Independent.
Head of the Orange Order in Scotland threatens paramilitary action if
Scottish Nationalism increases to break Scotland away from the Empire of
Queen Lizardbirth.

How they got away just/even with SAYING that in this politically correct and
severe country remains a masonic mystery.
Not all agree with him thankfully - why should blood be spilled ??

andrew

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Re: [CTRL] Condit's solid support bleeds away


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Well Prudy the question is, if this little girl was murdered, did Condit
have anything to do with it.   Notice this idiot uses a 20 year old
picture on his web  and this matter was being hushed up - when they
spoke of Condit they called him the "handsom" Condit - he looks 20 years
older than his age.

Now his connection to the Hells Angels?  They deal in drugs and murder
for hire at times - like Paladins only rather than riding big horses
these wandering black stars ride Harleys?   What was Condit's connection
here - this weak, drab, little man - is he a Walter Mitty or like
Clinton does he hide behind women's skirts, like an Albright or a Reno
to hide his atrocitiesthis man is on the Select Committee for
Intelligence - did this play a role here.

He met with a man whom Clinton pardoned - a guy named Lasater, organized
crime figure and the Hells Angels, of course, are part of this organized
crime kingdom.

The night before Chandra Levy disappeared, it is aleged Condit had
dinner with Lasater - this known hoodlum - if this be true and his
connections to Hells Angels be true - well???

Here is a typical story that I know to be true - I was sitting at a
table when this attorney came in whom I knew an sat down - he handled a
lot of big cases, and let us say he was an attorney everybody liked, but
he had crossed the line.

There was this man who for political reasons had tried to pull something
on me, it made papers and to me it was a laugh and usualy garbage one
expects in a public area.But, this man went through and smirked and
said Hello there - you mad at me?   And I didn't answer.

Well this lawyer looked over at me, moved close and said "hey, want me
to get that guy for you", and I said what and he repeated the question
with I can do it if you want.   At that time I was so innocent I did not
know what he was taling about, but I could feel the kick he received on
his knees by this other individual.

Now something like this could have happened with Conditt sitting there
who had a lot of power, and he was in position to do great harm to
others - but this mealy mouthed little twit would never murder somebody
- but maye with all that power, like a Manson, he could by a look order
an execution?

I hope this little girl is just teaching him a lessonand I must
say, this democrat party look at Jesse Jackson threatening to loose his
barbarians to the streets - now don't think he will be so threatning
these days, for George Bush - this gentleman C - taught that bastard a
good lesson.   Like Pat Robertson preaching as holy man, who had shotgun
wedding?

So I knew at the time in 1972 what had gotten into our demcrat party and
took it over - the same people in on the kill who got JFK sat in a room
at one of our meetings an tried to get me to  join them at a
table...from that day forward the democrat party in own town, was
destryed for no person would join with that bunch.two men were
organized crime figures.

Conditt sitting there like a little whip that he is with a man like
Lasater or Hells Angels - just a coy look and oh she is going to destroy
me - and a wink and a smile and a handshake - and gone, my headaches
gone.

Hand Chandra's parents not been around,  yu would not see her picture on
the back of a NASCAR race or whatever they call that.

Did Chandra hear something she should not ohave heard - well was Condit,
this man who did not drink, on drugs - did a talk a little too much, and
how in hell is a guy like Condit going to get Levy a job with CIA or FBI
when in particular the FBI is so - well  the party was over.

Great News (sounds like that Good News for Jewish People crap they put
out in 60 period).Great News - did she receive a phone call and was
she asked to leave her apartment to meet somebody in a cab or in a big
black limosine - and was she whisked away thinking she was now in the
big time?

Remembr movie the Condor - someday a car would pull up and a smiling
face would greet you - well don't get in.

Might end up Lady in the Lake or boxed in cement or boxed in a car at
your local junk yard.

This has nothing to do with an affair  nobody cares what this guy did on
his own time; Clinton committed sodomy in the Oval Office with a pizza
delivery girl and boy that pizza had to be loaded...

So much for the Case of the Missing Intern and the Case of Monica
Lewinsky and wonder who her mentor was - normally they call people like
Monica "call girls" rather than prostitutes.

Now we know Condit is a liar and he associated with organized crime
figures while putting up a holy front..from his web though, vanity -
all is vanity, for this picture of him is used where he was a much
younger man...

All he had to offer someone was a certain amount of infuence peddling
when it came to a job - might have worked under a Clinton, but not under
George W. Bush for Condit had lost a certain amount, of power.

Chandra then became a liability which he could not a

Re: [CTRL] Thanks to GW

2001-07-10 Thread Bill Howard


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<< You're assuming the same cost per gallon. Alcohol can be produced for
far, far less than gasoline. Plus, itâs renewable. >>

Not really. We haven't factored in the cost of converting the engine to run
on alcohol. Alcohol does not produce the same amount of engery as gasoline
per liter. So, even if the cost of alcohol is less than gasoline it is
possible to pay the same or more to do the same amount of driving.
Yes, it is renewable, that is a plus.

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[CTRL] The Wurlitzer is booming across the land . . .


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Anyone notice?

Om
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[CTRL] Fwd: RE: Conspiracist Jim Marrs Revealed


Amen.

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I am shocked and disappointed at this attack on Jim Marrs. Marrs' work not
only provided a foundation for COPA (since Crossfire was one basis for
Stone's JFK movie, which led to the formation of COPA). He also has come up
against mainstream corporate news puppets time and again to present
parapolitical scholarship that would otherwise be ignored. If you want an
example, read the transcript of his exchange with the obnoxious Bill
O'Reilly in the essay I wrote for the book You Are Being Lied To. It is a
coup for the cause of parapolitical study that Marrs' book was made
available as a premium for WBAI, especially over a Pentagon paid-for
"institutional" critic like Noam Chomsky. I thought these efforts to smear
points of view that do not narrowly conform to a few researchers' idea of
what constitutes "valid" conspiracy theory had long been discredited by the
exaggerated meanderings of Dave Emory.

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WBAI producer Bill Weinberg offers this excellent analysis of
right-wing conspiracist, Jim Marrs, whose book was recently offered by
Marjorie Moore as a premium in WBAI's last fund drive.  The use of the
Marrs material to fund the station is seen by many as strong evidence of
the ideological shifts taken place at WBAI, despite protests from
management that changes in program content are illusory. Weinberg also
discusses Leid's history with the City Sun, and DeRienzo's recent
attacks on the IMC and George Soros.

--efs



RULE BY IDIOCY: WBAI FALLS FOR RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY THEORY
by Bill Weinberg

Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History That Connects the Trilateral
Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids. The title itself
reads like a self-parody. The fact that it is not is a sad comment on
our times. The fact that HarperCollins chose to publish this amateurish
potboiler is even sadder. But saddest of all is that it was offered as a
premium in the last fund-raising marathon by New York City's
"progressive" WBAI Radio.

WBAI, whose leadership was purged in a notorious "Christmas Coup" last
year, once offered premiums by the likes of Noam Chomsky. But it was the
voice of Jim Marrs that issued from the station's transmitter in
relentless interviews during the May marathon. Marrs was chosen as the
latest political guru by morning show host Marjorie Moore and approved
by WBAI's Interim General Manager Utrice Leid. Both repeatedly praised
his "research" over the air. That WBAI is now promoting Marrs, a peddler
of the most vulgar anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, loans credence to
those who argue that the station has assumed a rightward trajectory
since the "coup."

In Rule by Secrecy, Marrs of course goes out of his way to disavow
anti-Semitism-but in terms that are clearly anti-Semitic! "While it may
be true that secret organizations in the past were built along both
racial and religious grounds" and "[a]lthough many international
financiers are of Jewish descent," it is unfair "to accuse the Hebrew
race of an international conspiracy." Note the slippery use of "Hebrew
race" in place of the more common and accurate term "Jews." He complains
that "the broad brush of anti-Semitism frequently has been used to
besmirch anyone offering a conspiratorial view of history."

After this requisite disavowal, Marrs goes on to portray the "gigantic
and secretive Rothschilds banking empire" as the "covert and indirect"
power behind nearly every government on Earth (ultimately tracing their
grand design for world domination to the Illuminati and Masonic
conspiracies dating to ancient Egypt). His "sources" are the usual ones,
all too familiar to followers of the far right and fascism.

Topping the list, of course, is the Protocols of the Learned Elders of
Zion, the purported Jewish conspiracy masterplan which served as
propaganda for the Czarist pogroms and then the Nazi Holocaust. While
Marrs does concede that the Protocols are a hoax, he nonetheless vests
much legitimacy in them: "It is the possibility of 'historical truth'
which has kept the Protocols in circulation since its inception. Today,
modern conspiracy writers see it as a real program predating Nazism or
Communism... The Protocols may indeed reflect a deeper conspiracy beyond
its intended use to encourage anti-Semitism, one hidden within the
secret upper ranks of the Iluminati and Freemasonry."

The kneejerk anti-Communism which always characterizes this genre is
there as well. Marrs writes that Marx's program points in The Communist
Manifesto "bear a striking resemblance to the Protocols of the L

Re: [CTRL] And now for something completely different......

2001-07-10 Thread Mark McHugh


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Thanks for the laugh, Carl!
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[CTRL] Sinn Fein Forever - More from Irish Republican News





>> Flash: Loyalists back out of talks, Good Friday Agreement



 The loyalist paramilitary 'Ulster Freedom Fighters' announced
 today that it was withdrawing support for the Good Friday
 Agreement which its representatives signed in 1998.

 The UFF, also knoown as the UDA, said: "We can no longer remain
 silent in our criticism of an agreement which our membership have
 continuously voiced their opposition to and which the vast
 majority of the loyalist community have grown to despise."

 Meanwhile the PUP, which represents the loyalist UVF, said it has
 withdrawn from the talks. The two loyalist organisations have
 claimed to be maintaining their "ceasefires", although murders of
 Catholics and random sectarian attacks have continued since 1994.
 Loyalist violence has escalated again in recent weeks with two
 murders and scores of pipe, petrol and blast bomb attacks.

 The moves by the UVF and UDA are the latest blows to the peace
 process following the resignation as First Minister of Ulster
 Unionist leader David Trimble.  Talks have continued, but they
 are understood to remain deadlocked over unionist demands for IRA
 decommissioning and nationalist demands for the full
 implementation of the Good Friday Agreement.

 The talks near Birmingham in the British midlands are expected to
 end this week before the loyalist marching season in the North of
 Ireland reaches its climax on Thursday, when tens of thousands
 will celebrate an ancient battle victory over Catholics.

 Gains for nationalists in recent elections have raised fears
 among Protestants that unionists may soon be in a minority in the
 Six Counties.

 In a statement, the UDA said it found it intolerable that Sinn
 Fein had gained "concession after concession, yet there is still
 a growing erosion of our culture and heritage.

 "This has to stop, we cannot allow this to go any further. There
 can be no more concessions to nationalism while the fabric of our
 loyalist community is torn asunder."

 But the UDA's position is well known by nationalists in North
 Belfast, who have come under nightly attack by UDA murder gangs.
 Two leading UDA figures have already been returned to jail for
 continuing their terror campaign.  Others released early under
 the terms of the Good Friday Agreement may now follow.

 Meanwhile, the Progressive Unionist Party, which speaks for the
 rival Ulster Volunteer Force, held an executive meeting in
 Belfast at which it announced it was pulling out of the current
 phase of the peace process talks.

 PUP leader David Ervine denied today that his party had withdrawn
 over "a fit of pique" because his small party was "sent home".
 But they were clearly angry after returning from talks last
 night, giving journalists the thumbs down as they drove away.  Mr
 Ervine accused Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams of "playing with
 words".

 "We are advocating withdrawal from this phase of the process
 because at the round table session yesterday Sinn Fein would not
 give us an answer to what it meant by the `causes of conflict' in
 2001," he said.

 "That is a perfectly legitimate question but Gerry Adams was
 singularly refusing to answer it and until we get that question
 answered, we have no way of knowing where republicans are coming
 from and what is possible."

 Mr Ervine also accused republicans of "adding to their shopping
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Re: [CTRL] Evolution & Design


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ENTROPY & EMERGENCE


> Evolution flies in the face of the generally accepted observation that the
> universe and matter is in a state of gradual decay called entropy.

yes but thats only half the story

> Evolution is shown to be impossible by any mathimatical and statistical
> probabilities. thats not  true

emergence - order out of chaos is the other half  of the equilbrium
and it has been scientifically measured www.santafe.edu
in fact The Red Spot of Jupiter is a good example of order
emerging out of a chaotic weather system

there is an equilibrium between entropy and emergence,
but we tend to focus on entropy seeing as how the decay
of things familiar is dear to our hearts.

Nicola Tesla thought that Every Atom was a product of Emergence [Theory of
Environmental Energy]
and if thats true - thats why science has stumbled at identifying whether a
particle is just a particle or just a wave. the particle/wave duality
paradox - Emergence solves that paradox and suggests that a particle is both
a particle and a wave - rather like a 3D nding wave or solidified note.

Oddly enough - this whole way of thinking rediscovered by Tesla totaly
contradicts the second law of thermodynamics -
which since the advent of proper Chaos Theory is technically no longer a
law - just one of several valid observations.
There will be no heat death of the cosmos just a natural expansion and then
contraction around an equilibrium

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Re: [CTRL] Condit's solid support bleeds away

2001-07-10 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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<< MODESTO, Calif. Ã¢Ââ Gary Condit's safe and supportive congressional
district
 has turned frosty and skeptical with reports that he admitted having an
 affair with a missing 24-year-old government intern. >>

What a really stupid reaction.  Why would his constituents care about his bed
hopping?  I've worked with people who were cheating on their wives.  I can't
say it endeared them to me, but as long as they did their job well, I really
didn't care.   It wasn't my business.  Condit's wife hasn't seemed too
alarmed.  They probably have one of those marriages.  Lots of people seem to.
 Newt himself must have had an unusual arrangement.  That was interesting
only because it demonstrated his hypocrisy.   I think the folks would do well
to worry about the fate of the young lady who didn't mind at all having a
relationship with a married man.   That kind of behavior can lead to
dangerous acquaintances.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Psychiatric agenda 'set by drug firms'







Psychiatric agenda 'set by drug firms'

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Monday July 9, 2001
The Guardian

A group of psychiatrists has made a formal protest to the president of the
profession's royal college against a drug company's sponsorship of a
conference
opening today.
They complain that the industry's marketing distorts the mental health
agenda
to the point where pills are seen as the answer to all ills.

In a letter to John Cox, president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists,
the
group says that money widely available for sponsorship of meetings and of
doctors is an attempt to persuade psychiatry to go down the biomedical route
and to ignoresocial circumstances that might be the true cause of an
illness.

The group plans a symbolic protest outside the Queen Elizabeth II conference
centre in London, where the annual meeting of the college is taking place
today
in conjunction with the World Psychiatric Association.

Full text:
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[CTRL] Fwd: Psychiatric agenda 'set by drug firms'







Psychiatric agenda 'set by drug firms'

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Monday July 9, 2001
The Guardian

A group of psychiatrists has made a formal protest to the president of the
profession's royal college against a drug company's sponsorship of a
conference
opening today.
They complain that the industry's marketing distorts the mental health
agenda
to the point where pills are seen as the answer to all ills.

In a letter to John Cox, president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists,
the
group says that money widely available for sponsorship of meetings and of
doctors is an attempt to persuade psychiatry to go down the biomedical route
and to ignoresocial circumstances that might be the true cause of an
illness.

The group plans a symbolic protest outside the Queen Elizabeth II conference
centre in London, where the annual meeting of the college is taking place
today
in conjunction with the World Psychiatric Association.

Full text:
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,518685,00.html

Re: [CTRL] Condit admits affair with Levy

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You have a vivid imagination.  If Clinton was doing payback that list would
be very long.  Why don't you look these things up?

Condit voted to proceed with impeachment along with 31 other Democrats.  He
was NOT among the Democrats who voted YES to any of the articles of
impeachment.  He voted NO on all four.

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/impvote/simple.asp

(http://www.jsonline.com/news/president/1220roll1.asp)

By your logic, the five who voted yes on articles 1 and 2 should be targets:
Gene Taylor, Miss.; Paul McHale, Pa.; Ralph Hall, Texas; Charles Stenholm,
Texas; Virgil Goode, Va.

Samantha

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> Did Condit vote for any of the articles of impeachment against Clinton?
>  If not, did Condit at anytime vote for any measure that enabled the
>  impeachment process to proceed?
>
>  DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback

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These drug users are imprisoned and used as slave labor.  The US is a
socialist society, eh?  Then why don't we have socialized medicine and why
have all the social programs been gutted?

Samantha

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> In a socialist society, politicians would want to "help" every pathetic,
>  mindless doper at
>  public expense, by creating an endless array of "social programs" and
>  "treatment" progams
>  to relieve the doper from the consequences of his own stupidity.  The more
>  the programs
>  failed to solve the problem, the greater the proof that "more funding",
>  more programs, and
>  more bureacrates would be needed to solve the "problem."
>
>  DBC

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Re: [CTRL] The Secret GOP War On Tom Daschle

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Then show a source that Gore used Horton.  I showed a source that Gore used
the furough program and that Bush people made it racial by specifically
drawing in Horton.

Samantha

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> Prudy and Samantha are lamely trying to avoid conceding the irrefutable
>  fact that it was
>  the Al Gore campaign  -  wholly owned, operated and controlled by Al Gore
>  -- that FIRST
>  used the Willie Horton issue in a campaign to smear rival Democrta
>  candidate.  And IF
>  Prudy, Samantha, and other blind Democrat partisans assert that the Willie
>  Horton issue
>  was "playing the race card", then THE DEMOCRATS DID IT FIRST!!
>
>  DBC

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[CTRL] And now for something completely different......

2001-07-10 Thread Carl Amedio

Subj:   [GospelofThomas] Fwd Post (Pinched) from GnosticsMillinium Group
Date:   7/10/01 6:07:36 AM Central Daylight Time
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Hi

Below is a post I lifted from the above group. It reminded me of a
certain group that I belong to :-) - Just a bit of fun, hope you
enjoy.

PJ

"Nima Hazini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:  Tue Jul 10, 2001  11:54 am
Subject:  OT: The Jerry Springer Show with a twist

And now for something completely different..

--
Crowd: Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!

Jerry: Today's guests are here because they can't
agree on fundamental philosophical principles. I'd
like to welcome Todd to the show.

[Todd enters from backstage.]

Jerry: Hello, Todd.

Todd: Hi, Jerry.

Jerry: (reading from card) So, Todd, you're here to tell
your girlfriend something. What is it?

Todd: Well, Jerry, my girlfriend Ursula and I have been
going out for three years now. We did everything together.
We were really inseparable. But then she discovered
post-Marxist political and literary theory, and it's been
nothing but fighting ever since.

Jerry: Why is that?

Todd: You see, Jerry, I'm a traditional Cartesian rationalist.
I believe that the individual self, the "I" or ego is the foundation
of all metaphysics. She, on the other hand, believes that
the contemporary self is a socially constructed, multi-faceted
subjectivity reflecting the political and economic realities
of late capitalist consumerist discourse.

Crowd: O!

Todd: I know! I know! Is that infantile, or what?

Jerry: So what do you want to tell her today?

Todd: I want to tell her that unless she ditches the
post-modernism, we're through. I just can't go on
having a relationship with a woman who doesn't
believe I exist.

Jerry: Well, you're going to get your chance. Here's
Ursula! [Ursula storms onstage and charges up to Todd.]

Ursula: Patriarchal colonizer! [She slaps him. Todd leaps
up, but the security guys pull them apart before things can
go any further.]

Ursula: Don't listen to him! Logic is a male hysteria!
Rationality equals oppression and the silencing of
marginalized voices!

Todd: The classical methodology of rational dialectic
is our only road to truth! Don't try to deny it!

Ursula: You and your dialectic! That's how it's been
through our whole relationship, Jerry. Mindless repetition
of the post-Enlightenment meta-narrative.

'You have to start with radical doubt, Ursula.'

'Post-structuralism is just classical sceptical thought
re-cast in the language of semiotics, Ursula.'

Crowd: Booo! Booo!

Jerry: Well, Ursula, come on. Don't you agree that the
roots of contemporary neo-Leftism simply have to be
sought in Enlightenment political philosophy?

Ursula: History is the discourse of powerful centrally
located voices marginalizing and de-scribing the
sub-altern!

Todd: See what I have to put up with? Do you know
what it's like living with someone who sees sex as a
metaphoric demonstration of the anti-feminist violence
implicit in the discourse of the dominant power structure?
It's terrible. She just lies there and thinks of Andrea Dworkin.
That's why we never do it any more.

Crowd: Wo!

Ursula: You liar! Why don't you tell them how you haven't
been able to get it up for the past three months because you
couldn't decide if your penis truly had essential Being, or was
simply a manifestation of Mind?

Todd: Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

Ursula: It's true!

Jerry: Well, I don't think we're going to solve this one
right away. Our next guests are Louis and Tina. And
Tina has a little confession to make! Louis and Tina
come onstage. [Todd and Ursula continue bickering in the
background.]

Jerry: Tina, you are... (reads cards) ... an existentialist,
is that right?

Tina: That's right, Jerry. And Louis is, too.

Jerry: And what did you want to tell Louis today?

Tina: Jerry, today I want to tell him...

Jerry: Talk to Louis. Talk to him. [Crowd hushes.]

Tina: Louis... I've loved you for a long time...

Louis: I love you, too, Tina.

Tina: Louis, you know I agree with you that existence
precedes essence, but ...well, I just want to tell you
I've been reading Nietzsche lately, and I don't think
I can agree with your egalitarian politics any more.

Crowd: Wo! Woo!

Louis: (shocked and disbelieving) Tina, this is crazy.
ou know that Sartre clarified all this way back in the 40's.

Tina: But he didn't take into account Nietzsche's radical
critique of democratic morality, Louis. I'm sorry. I can't
ignore the contradiction any longer!

Louis: You got these ideas from Victor, didn't you?
Didn't you?

Tina: Don't you bring up Victor! I only turned to him
when I saw you were seeing that dominatrix! I needed
a real man! An Uber-mensch!

Louis: (sobbing) I couldn't help it. It was my burden of
freedom. It was too much!

Jerry: We've got someone here who might have something
to add. Let's bring out...Victor!

[Victor enters. He walks up to Louis and sticks a finger
i

[CTRL] Britain To End Hunting For Pot Smugglers


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 Britain To End Hunting For
 Pot Smugglers
  By David Rose, Anthony Browne and Faisal Islam
The Observer
 www.observer.co.uk
   7-9-1

  Britain is to abandon the hunt for cannabis smugglers and
  dealers in the most dramatic relaxation of policy on the
  drug so far.

  Instead the Government has told law enforcement
  officers, including Customs officials and police, to target
  resources on 'hard drugs', such as heroin and cocaine.

  Under the new strategy - part of the most radical shift in
  drugs policy for a generation - large-scale cannabis
  seizures and prosecutions will now take place only as a
  by-product of investigations into Class A drugs.

  Last week with the blessing of Home Secretary David
  Blunkett, police in Brixton, south London, abandoned their
  policy of prosecuting people found with small amounts of
  the drug.

  The relaxation comes as the law on possession of
  cannabis faces its most serious legal challenge. The civil
  rights group Liberty will argue in court tomorrow that it is
  incompatible with the new Human Rights Act.

  The campaign to legalise cannabis gained further
  momentum yesterday as Clive Bates, director of the
  government-funded anti-smoking group Ash, argued for
  the legalisation of the drug.

  The decision to give up hunting cannabis traffickers was
  taken by the Cabinet Office Committee, Concerted
  Inter-Agency Drugs Action (Cida). It consists of the heads
  of MI6, MI5, the Customs and Excise investigation branch,
  the National Criminal Intelligence Service, the police
  National Crime Squad, and the Association of Chief
  Police Officers, plus the permanent under-secretaries of
  the Home Office, Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence.

  'It's not that we plan to stop seizing cannabis when we
  come across it,' one senior Customs source said last
  night. 'However, the need to focus on Class A drugs
  means cannabis seizures will now take place as a
  by-product, not as an end in themselves.'

  Customs sources say the shift is seen as an 'inevitable
  consequence' of the Government's drug strategy, which
  sets agencies the target of reducing Class A drug
  consumption by half by 2008.

  'Overall, the Government strategy is about reducing
  harm,' one chief police officer said. 'That has to mean
  placing a priority in reducing the supply of Class A drugs.'

  He said regional drug distributors often 'blurred the
  boundaries' betweendrugs, so that inquiries into cocaine
  and heroin dealers might also yield finds of cannabis.

  The focus on hard drugs was partly triggered by the first
  figures for UK consumption of cocaine and heroin, which
  show Britons are now consuming twice as much cocaine
  as the previous official estimates for the whole of Western
  Europe.

  The figures, from a Home Office research project, show
  that last year British hard drug users took
  28,000-36,000kg of heroin and 35,000-41,000 kg of
  cocaine.

  Cannabis was in effect decriminalised in Brixton last
  week, when police said they would no longer prosecute
  people caught with the drug but give them a verbal
  telling-off. Last year the Government said that having a
  caution for possessing cannabis would no longer carry a
  criminal record for life.

  The Misuse of Drugs Act, which in

[CTRL] New UK Labeling Warns Of Antidepressant Suicide Risk


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 New UK Labeling Warns Of
 Antidepressant Suicide Risk
   7-9-1

  LONDON (Reuters) - Patients taking antidepressants
  may be at increased risk of suicide in the early stages of
  recovery, according to a revised drug label agreed by
  drugmakers and the UK Medicines Control Agency,
  manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline Plc said on Monday.

  The company, which markets the selective serotonin
  reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) Seroxat -- known as Paxil in the
  United States -- said in a statement that SSRI
  manufacturers had been working with the agency to
  agree changes to the summary of product characteristics
  and patient leaflet.

  It denied the update was a reaction to the $6.4 million
  awarded last month to the family of Donald Schell by a
  U.S. jury which decided Paxil was largely to blame for the
  behavior of Schell, who shot dead his wife, daughter and
  nine- month-old granddaughter and then killed himself
  after he was prescribed the drug. GSK reaffirmed it would
  appeal against this verdict.

  GSK said that the revised label -- issued two weeks ago
  -- for Seroxat and other SSRIs referred to the risk of
  suicide and recommended that patients should be closely
  monitored during the first few weeks or more of treatment
  as they may not get better immediately.

  ``The possibility of suicide is inherent in depression and
  may persist until significant therapeutic effect is achieved,
  and it is general clinical experience with all antidepressant
  therapies that the risk of suicide may increase in the early
  stages of recovery,'' the new label says.

  Claims that SSRIs -- which include Prozac -- can trigger
  violent or suicidal behavior have sparked scientific
  controversy and legal claims for compensation. Last
  month David Healey, director of the department of
  psychosocial medicine in Bangor, North Wales, said his
  studies showed that SSRIs can cause even healthy
  volunteers to suffer dangerous reactions.

  In its latest statement, GSK said: ``It is important to 
realize
  that...the possibility of a suicide attempt is inherent in
  depression and may persist until significant therapeutic
  effect is achieved.

  ``Controlled studies of the relationship between suicide
  and Seroxat have not provided any evidence that Seroxat
  causes suicide. On the contrary, these studies
  demonstrate that Seroxat reduces newly emergent
  suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts.''






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