[CTRL] Danny Update
-Caveat Lector- Having seen Danny's photograph, I have wondered how the DNA test could have been negative. Others have too, I'm sure, but none of us has been willing to say it out loud. My questions were: Did the Clintonistas get to the DNA lab, or was Danny's photo doctored? A HREF="http://38.201.154.103/articles/?a=1999/1/18/145516"NewsMax.com: Articles/A www.newsmax.com Clinton Paternity 'Test' Called into QuestionCarl LimbacherJanuary 18, 1999 FBI Mum on Accuracy of DNA Report on President The FBI refused last week to say that its lab report accurately portrays President Clinton's DNA profile, or whether that profile may have been altered in documents released to the House Judiciary Committee for reasons of national security or privacy. If the President's DNA was camouflaged in FBI documents, a DNA paternity test recently arranged by STAR Magazine would be unreliable. Reportedly test results rule out any possibility that Clinton is the father of Little Rock teen Danny Williams. Experts say that the only proper method for checking the paternity of the boy is through a paternity law suit, where the boy's DNA sample could be matched against a subpoenaed and verified sample of the President's. The four-page FBI Lab report on the President's DNA was included as part of the 60,000 pages of documents turned over to Congress by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr last fall. NewsMax.com obtained a copy of the lab report last week. In an exclusive interview with NewsMax.com, STAR editor Phil Bunton revealed that those four pages were the sole basis for the Clinton DNA profile used by a Nashville lab to compare against a full DNA analysis of blood drawn from Danny Williams and his mother, Bobbie Ann. Bunton would not identify the lab. Mr. Bunton said staffers on the House Judiciary Committee told STAR they "believed" the limited Clinton DNA profile was accurate but that STAR had been unable to get any confirmation from the FBI or Independent Counsel. Bunton said STAR Magazine would not report on its Danny Williams investigation in any upcoming issue. However, Christopher Curioli, an editor of scientific and medical textbooks whose recent work includes the CD-ROM version of "Gray's Anatomy", told NewsMax.com that the Clinton DNA information may have been deliberately changed in public documents. "Since it is rather easy to synthesize any gene sequence, the OIC, FBI or Secret Service might, as a matter of ethics or national security, present the results of the Clinton DNA tests and yet publish in the appendix (of Starr's report) an altered version of Clinton's DNA sequence or fragment lengths - for his protection," Curioli said. Curioli suggested that presenting a "protected sequence"; i.e., an altered version of actual DNA information, is commonplace in the fields of genetic and virological research as a matter of industrial security. In a president's case, the need for DNA confidentiality could be more pressing. The Secret Service seems acutely aware of this need. When the President took a few sips of beer during a photo-op at a pub in Manchester, England in 1997, Mr. Clinton's security detail wasted little time confiscating his glass as he departed. Reportedly, the Secret Service smashed the glass and were concerned that Clinton's fingerprints and DNA could fall into the wrong hands. NewsMax.com put Curioli's theory to a former high ranking official at the FBI laboratory who had dealt with the Bureau's DNA activities. He said the uniqueness of a Presidential DNA investigation may have led Bureau scientists to camouflage the results as reported in the Starr documents. Dr. Shirley Chan, of the DNA Learning Center at the world famous Cold Spring Harbor Labs in New York, reviewed the FBI lab report on Clinton's DNA for NewsMax.com. Dr. Chan explained that there was ample information in the FBI documents to rule out paternity. "If even one polymorphic marker doesn't match, then he's not the father." STAR editor Bunton confirmed to NewsMax.com that the Clinton-Danny Williams DNA comparison "wasn't even close." But Dr. Chan refused to rule out the possibility that the FBI's DNA markers on Clinton had been released in a protected sequence, suggesting that only the FBI or the OIC could answer that question. NewsMax.com contacted the FBI lab examiner who prepared the documents forwarded to the House Judiciary Committee; materials subsequently used by STAR Magazine for the Clinton paternity test. NewsMax.com's call was referred to FBI press spokesman Paul Bresson. Bresson himself was unavailable. But a staffer in his office responded to the question of whether Clinton's DNA profile had been camouflaged with a terse, "We're not going to answer a question like that." The Office of Independent Counsel surely knows whether the FBI Lab report was accurate about Clinton's DNA. But the OIC did not respond to repeated calls about the matter. If the Clinton DNA information is accurate, apparently no one is
Re: [CTRL] DISPATCH # 114 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 10:40:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I'm not degrading anyone, but where in the hell did you all (both North South) get your education? The slave issue was the tip of the iceburg. The war dealt with the south's hardships of the plantations economics compared to the rich North Industries. I'm glad the south has it's attitude which it got from the large amounts of Anglo-Saxon cultures/farmers primarly from Irl/ Scot lands. But no matter what, it was a lost war, simply due to the massive Industries resources the North had. As to these people who believe so strongly in a man who had "chronic acute syphilis" came up with the idea of a pure race, no lower intelligence and for "ONLY GERMANS"... Many do not know for example, His hate for Jews simply came from them picking on him when he was studing art. I just told a good friend of mine who has a baby on the way, "Each new born child carries within them the power to save our world or destroy it". So, perhaps people when it come to picking on others, becareful on what you say. It may destroy your race. Now with the pure race ideas. That was one hell of a lost cause... Why you may ask? It's called gene purity rule... When a species has within pure genes with no random sequences happening, nature takes over and forces that probability to occur. You are going to have lower intelligence like it or not. Mutations occure to advance a species. Oh yea, Hitler had stolen large amounts of philosophy from Existentialism which was sold to him from Neitz's Sister. In truth, what did the world expect from Germany? The country was dying because of sanctions from WW1... The people needed a leader, they didn't care if it was a madman. They wanted to survrive. Back in the 20's Our Government believed in a man named Goddard whom had the idea of a pure intelligent race... The exportation rate of newcomers into this country rose 300 percent! He used an IQ test in english on those who did not know english... All in all... How much of reality has been slandered and misconceived. How many consciences disturbed. How many Gods sacrificed?" -- Wasn't this originally a post to CTRL? I'm almost certain that I remember it. Just can't recall the author DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Impeachment and Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/10/99 9:20:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: itnesses, etc. My problem is with the mentality that pervades all of this and that is that this is about sex (you and I both know that is not the issue here but Joe Blow apparently thinks it is) and the possibility that this will turn into more laws infringing upon my freedom to do what I want without people peering into every area of my life. That is the main problem I have with it all. It's all about marketing. Marketing. Marketing. Marketing. It was marketed as sex. Everything is marketed. Government is marketed. New laws imfringing upon our freedoms are marketed. The marketing is general Hegelian. Interestingly, this applies to getting Clinton on a sex rap (yes, it's perjury and obstruction, but marketed as sex) when they really wanted to get him on things that were too hot for them to touch (besides the fact that he covered his ass pretty well - shredded, bribed, blackmailed, killed, etc.). The interesting thing is... the sad thing is... that it might have backfired. All things considered, I was willing the go along with the "Capone Prosecution," eventhough I felt as you do - it should have been done right. But now, backfired or not, it's turned awfully ugly. Here's the origingal miscalculation: Going after a man with NO character in the same way you would go after a man WITH character. They just didn't know what they were bargaining for. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/10/99 12:05:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lest you jump to conclusions, I hasten to add that I know that racism exists and has existed in the South (as well as the North), and that I am opposed to what I know of the KKK as it exists in our modern day. But I think black comedian/philosopher Dick Gregory was pretty close to right when he said, " In the South, they don't care how *close* we get, as long as we don't get too rich. In the North, they don't care how rich we get, as long as we don't get too close." Just a couple more comments on this thread from me: (1) I would have to concur with Hawk's post in substance. I've only met one admitted Klan member personally but I know they are around. although impotent. We did have a nationally publicized shoot out here about 20 years ago between the Klan and Socialists and there are true horror stories, but don't buy into rhetoric from "pop stars" like Mia Angelo (I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings). I don't think anyone would pay any attention to her if she hadn't read an awful poem at Clinton's 1992 Inagural. Duke University pays her a tenured salary not to teach. (2) My father grew up in Chicago and lived in SC for a few years after he married my mother. What he said to her is similiar to Dick Gregory's. . "In the North we love the black man as a race but hate as an individual. In the South you love him as an individual and hate him as a race." Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Impeachment and Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/10/99 2:29:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (snip beginning) I can't disagree with you (I rarely do) I only assume that you are right, that the Senate can do pretty much anything that it wants since it's not a criminal trial and there's not much precedent for presidential impeachment trials. It just seems that bringing evidence, including slips of the tongue by witnesses, would turn the whole thing into a circus. Don't get me wrong though, I would like to see it come down just as you describe. I've said long ago that the Democrats' worst nightmare is having to actually vote on this thing. Of course I felt that this would apply to the committee hearings first, but that came out down party lines. Then I figured that there would be more honest Dems who would vote for impeachment in the House. Wrong again. So, with limited testimony and limited evidence presented in an abbreviated trial, we can expect the same thing - Slick will slide. The only hope is that the scenario that you hope for plays out and then it will only be effective if it changes public opinion. This is what the Dems most fear. In my opinion a charge of treason could be proved conclusively in this trial and if the polls didn't change, nothing more would happen. Even if all hell breaks loose in the trial, as you and I hope, you'd probably have to have people go around to 90% of the homes in the US and physically lock their TV sets onto C-Span. BTW, yes I'm aware that the Republicans are just as slimey as the Democrats, they just happen to be lucky enough to be on the right side of this particular issue. The Constitution says something like, ...not to exceed removal from office. This would indicate that the Senate could do any number of things as punishment but leave him in office. "Says something like"??? In cases like this, one should make it a point to find out the EXACT wording "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath of Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside. And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrance of two thirds of the Members present. "Judgement in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment, according to Law." -- The U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 3 OK... what I said has precisely the same meaning as the EXACT wording. They don't have to kick him out of office. What I was wondering was whether the wording in the Articles of Impeachment mandated removal. See above. However, when the Articles arrived at the Senate they contained the wording, "and removal from office." Are you saying that since the Articles contain this wording this precludes any other action by the Senate? I might not be up to date on this little wrinkle. The Senate could decide to put a dunce cap on Clinton and make him sit in the corner...but it's highly unlikely...especially if even more damning stuff comes out in the trial, the Senate would be hardpressed to do anything but to agree to remove him from office based on the charges sent to them... But do you know this for sure? However, it's probably not a very important point. Starr has supposedly agreed not to pursue a criminal trial if there is a censure agreement. So they appoint another independent prosecutor... It's highly unlikely that if evidence of something like TREASON comes out in the Senate trial, that the matter would just be dropped if Clinton's removed from office... Do you think that they could effectively appoint another special prosecuter against Clinton? On something like treason? Sure. June = Anyway, keep on daydreaming! I am too. It's just that I'm getting awakened too often. Thanks, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] DNA Test Results...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 10:32:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the results still are not in. Does anyone besides me find that a bit mysterious? They took the DNA sample from Danny 1 month ago. I wonder if the whitehouse may be threatening the researchers... It just keeps getting delayed and delayed. Drudge said the results should be out as early as Tuesday... What happened did they spill the sample or did the researches call in sick? It shouldn't be taking this long... Something's going on we don't know about, but this wouldn't be the first time either... Jamie I believe that Star Magazine is paying for and has control of the testing results. They could be withholding the results to build suspense and sell papers. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 8:25:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On this one, I am in total agreement with you. This feces is getting sickening! If this turns out to be a farce, as so many of Drudge's "reports" have proven to be, here's hoping Clinton sues this man a new bung-hole. No one is served by this kind of tripe. Other than the wife beating story, please post a list of Drudge reports that have been farces. I must have missed them. Thanks, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 12:15:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 You miss the point, J2. SnowOwl is talking about the responsibility of the news media to not spread every rumor of scandal. Nor is this a responsibility of the news media only. It is one thing to privately think that yes, the SOB is probably guilty of whatever happens to be said about him and it is another for the, so far, unsupported, rumor to be published. Got it? Jerry Regarding the Danny Williams story, it's really an old story. I was aware of it back in 1993 or 1994 and I'm sure many others on the list were as well. Back then some "Christian" outfit out of Louisiana was trying to make hay with it, mailing and faxing it to all corners. But all they got was a "So what?," which may be all it merits anyway. However, the story has refused to go away and all the basic facts have remained the same. My point is that if this story is 5 years old and has remained substantially unchanged in that time, and hasn't been debunked in that period, that in itself gives it, if not credibility, the worth of a look-see. Add to that the fact that Danny is the "spiting image" of the alleged dad and you've got something that's worth the effort of a tabloid press. And let's face it, virtually all of the press is tabloid these days. Which brings me to the question, why should Clinton be off limits? Hollywood celebrities are not, nor are most other politicians. Now those who would defend this story as pertinent say it is because it would expose the president as a "deadbeat dad" and therefore a hypocrite. Even at that point people can choose sides and debate, and even then the debate will probably devide between Clinton lovers and haters; it is unlikely that hypocricy will play any greater role in that debate than truth and honesty play in the current one. BTW, my memory is fuzzy now, but I vaguely recall on first reading this story (5 years ago) that it indicated that Danny and his mother were "being taken care of." Could be wrong on that but if true it would negate the deadbeat dad charge. If true, regardless of the reasons, Clinton could actually turn it to his political advantage. But beyond the tabloid quality of the story. I too would rather that it didn't exist, but I do think that it has legitimacy. I say that because I believe in full disclosure from those who would be our leaders. I'm old fashiioned; I still think that character matters. Having said that, let me say that I don't believe that a healthy libido, occassional lapses in judgment, nor ocasasional indiscretions are necessarily indications of poor character. However, deceit, covering up, failing to accept personal responsibility - these ARE indications of poor character. No, the Danny story isn't a nice one, but it is a legitimate one. Rather than saying that members of the press are sick, mean, or dirty because they are pursuing this story, I would feel much worse about them if they buried it as they tend to do with so many others. JMHO, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I will tell you one thing I am NEVER going to call the Art Bell show! Because if I do then the whole list will erupt into a flame war like WWIII! Teo1000 And IF you do we're coming to your house and rip your damned phone out!! I'm already expecting the riot police to show up here at any time with their tear gas canisters and rubber bullets, which means that someone is going to get hurt. Then how will you feel, Teo?!! Don't ever, EVER call the Bell show! All the best, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 12:07:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, I was wondering the same thing. Guess great minds think alike. And, p lease answer the question Teo, inquiring minds want to knowvbg Lynne I was NOT on the show, BUT am now DAMNED curious as to what was said to spark the debate?!?! Please tell me what was discussed! Teo1000 It should be pretty obvious, Teo. We all recognized your voice. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 1:03:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, all, I only sign up with one ISP and am not using any false names. Usually it is the ones who do the accusing of doing such a thing that are actually doing it. Now to get off my soapbox and pardon me to all get out for DARING to add a bit of levity by the post I sent earlier in the day about great minds. Guess I was mistaken about some minds (now if you want to continue insults, let's go for it) Lynne I feel your pain. Bill Clinton (It's been me all along!) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
Teo, I hope you're happy! If you hadn't called in to Art Bell this catfight would never have happened! Jim In a message dated 1/3/99 6:17:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a harmless comment wondering if it was Teo on the Art Bell show and I get a batch of hooey , comments about using multiple ISPs, wondering if I w as you and all that garbage. Teo posts asking if I was June was to ME, not to you... To me, it was an insult, There may be some people who pull that stuff but I am not one of them. So put it in your pipe and smoke it. I won't. So back off. MY HUMBLE APOLOGIES for EVEN daring to p ost to this list. You went off the deep end when I posted a simple teasing reply to your 'New England' thingy...I suggest you chill out and learn a little tolerance for teasing, get a thicker skin if you plan to spend any amount of time on the internet... I suggest you read Animal Farm, I suggest you get a life...you might find a sense of humor at the same time... At this point in time, I am seriously thinking of unseeing from this list. You can 'unsee' all you want...no one's going to stop you, nor is anyone going to beg you to 'see'... Just don't let the door slam on your way out...since you can't 'see', it might slam you on your ass... I am not allowed to add levity or any other sort of comment to this list. You wouldn't know levity if it slammed you on the ass when you 'unsee'... You seem to be someone who wishes out your own brand of 'levity', but can't take any in return... Lynne who is very disillusioned with this list today Well, don't lose sleep over it, dearie... June
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/98 12:42:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After having read "Votescam" by the Collier brothers (both are now dead) The book was a bombshell, but I somehow missed the fact that they BOTH are now dead? Do you have details? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/24/98 11:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, at long last. I'm so glad to hear someone else say it. Seemed to me that all through this business Starr's "investigation," and the House Committee has been dealing with Clinton as if he were a bad child who had no other right than to hang his head, admit he was "bad," and take his punishment. As if any attempt to defend himself was "abuse of power"--or childish impertinence before a Higher Power. And it is strange to realize how much of this business has to do with childish wishes for "revenge." sno0wl It's a damned shame that this sorry mess has unfolded the way it has. But don't forget that Clinton was impeached for perjury about sex because, for assorted reasons, they weren't able, or were afraid to, stick him with the real stuff, such as treason. That Clinton should have been impeached is an inarguable point. And it would be an excellent step in the right direction if the ball could be kept rolling and everybody else would be impeached too. The way it's worked out though, it's like that ice cream cone you dropped in the sand. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 11:43:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 12/19/98 12:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue, and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive statement against slavery... Slavery was the issue of the civil war. Read McPherson. The States Rights stuff was used by the South to keep from having to argue the slavery question since they obviously were in a morally bankrupt position. The South used the States Rights argument again in the 1950s and 19960s to avoid the civil rights issue. It didn't work that time either. Jerry June: Why do you bother? You can't educate the whole world. "There are none so blind as those who will not see." June DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ru Mills' Dream
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 9:12:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.S. Prez wears many hats. One hat is Commander-in-Chief. When Commander-in-Chief, legal argument is he's subject to U.S. Military Code. Brian Redman Conspiracy Nation News Service It's a damned shame (in this instance only) that the Commander-in-Chief is NOT subject to the MCJ. But alas, under the constitution, and in the spirit of "separation of powers," the Commander-in-Chief IS a civilian. In other words, the US military is constitutionally under civilian control and command. Therefore the military has no legal power of arrest. On the other hand, the proper constitutional process is moving forward as we speak. Let us hope that enough Democrat senators, assuming impeachment, will have enough respect for the constitution, or if not, enough fear of how they will be historically judged, to vote a just verdict, ie, the ejection of this Commander-in-Chief. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 5:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KILLING FISH IN THE BARREL Where are those Iraqis going to go? Are they going to move buildings? The Iraqis are like fish in the barrel, there is no where for them to go. The democrats are just going to kill a bunch of innocent people to take the heat off Clinton. They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, They can kill those innocent people any time they want. Abuse of power? Not only Clinton but now the whole democratic party is part of it. Murdering innocent people of another country to save their fellow crook. Nobody has called to ask me, but I've got a suggestion. Reconvene the judiciary committee at first light tomorrow, draft the obvious 5th article of impeachment and hand it to the full house by, say, 10:00AM. The impeachment vote could be accomplished by noon and the Senate would have the rest of the afternoon to do what needs to be done. Enraged, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Hillary's got my vote!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:33:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hillary Clinton has my vote. God knows she deserves it and she is more than qualified. OK, I've finally caught on. I've been responding to some of these posts in good faith, but now I get it. Some of you guys are just having a big ole time making sport of the naivety of some of the rest of us. You post absurdities like this just to see who'll bite. My my my DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 8:05:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a sidebar (which perhaps has something to do with a potential 'conspiracy', perhaps not), it's interesting that both Powell AND Reagan found renewed popularity in the new medium of television in the 50s early 60s...Reagan on 'Death Valley Days', and Powell on a series which (if my memory serves me correctly) was an anthology of 'serious' drama, along the lines of 'Playhouse 90'... Reagan hosted General Electric Theatre which was similar to Playhouse 90. Could you have the two reversed? My memory is fuzzy too, but I seem to recall that GE Theatre was the first time Reagan made any serious sustained money. And OK, who wants to be first to step up and make the ominous connection with the evil General Electric? Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is the media turning on Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 9:51:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All: Has anyone besides myself noticed a slight--but nonetheless palpable--change in the media's approach to covering the Clinton impeachment proceedings? I could be wrong, but I am beginning to detect a certain "hostile abandonment" concerning Clinton's plight. Now you've got me really confused. Others had me convinced that they hated him all along. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 5:46:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 12/12/98 8:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, JYester@AOL. COM writes: Now that's an interesting observation. The media have been defending and covering for the current president since before his first election. For years prior to that they have consistently espoused a left-wing agenda. .. Are you suggesting that all of this is some sort of reverse pyschology? Did you slip across from some strange parallel universe? The news media attacks on Clinton concerning the bogus Whitewater brouhaha began during the 1992 campaign and the attacks have been ongoing about one matter or another ever since. They truly reached the level of frenzy regarding ML. The corporate controlled news media have been the abject servants of the radical right's slow motion coup d'etat which may not see full fruition but it has and will hobble the nation. While sniveling draft dodgers like Trent and Newt were flapping their arms about patriotism while crippling the executive branch without a single word of alarm from the news media, Clinton has been acting in the nation's interest. It is easy to tell who has the family and patriotism when you shed your myopic view. Jerry harp Don't know if my universe is parallel to yours, but I'm certain that it's a separate one. Regards, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 12:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Generally in newsrooms you have a perponderence of democrats, -- just as in the general population . . .duh! The ownership is almost 100% percent republican and there is no true debate in the media. There is no true discussion, it is a controlled parameterial debate. Left-wing is only visible at boston market. Om K Of course you are correct. However, at that level (media ownership) it is no more significant what a man's party membership is than it is what color suit he is wearing on a given day. At the newsroom level the pendulum is occassionally swung slightly from left to right - thesis to antithesis - depending upon what is being accomplished at the time. Of course the final synthesis, which we are rapidly approaching, is totalitarianism, which is usually labeled right-wing, but is usually arrived at from the left. Valid commentary was made in this thread from BOTH sides of the Clinton impeachment argument, indicating the accuracy of your characterization of a parameterial debate. We (average Americans) are screened from the real debate. In fact, there is no debate. As to the larger picture, the die is cast. Incidentally, to further illustrate the ambiguity of our petty arguments, and to be chronologically accurate, the last honorable man to serve as president was Ronald Reagan. The rub was that his administration was peopled with white collar criminals, including George H. W. Bush. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 9:32:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reagan!?! I mentioned before about how Reagan derailed half of Garrison's investigation, but good lord, do the words "iran-contra" mean anything to anyone any more? What about "October Surprise"? The rip-off of PROMIS and the death of Danny Casolaro? Even things like Clinton's entanglement in the Mena drugs- and-guns operation trace back to Reagan/Bush/Ollie North. Sorry, Reagan ain't no honorable man, no way. Btw, Dan Moldea has another, more recent book about RFK I think, but I'm a t a loss for the title. Anyone have that? kt I believe that I mentioned that the Reagan Administration was peopled with white collar criminals Wall Street, CIA... they swooped in from everywhere. I wouldn't take issue with any of the items you mentioned. However, you have no proof that Reagan himself had personal knowledge, any more than I have proof that he did not. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/12/98 2:54:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just one more case of the media--which seems to be in the pocket of the Republicans and the radical right and whoever the puppetmasters are--calling the shots before the play is done. Now that's an interesting observation. The media have been defending and covering for the current president since before his first election. For years prior to that they have consistently espoused a left-wing agenda. ..Are you suggesting that all of this is some sort of reverse pyschology? Nothing new. They haven't stopped all year and they're not about to stop now. The only thing that makes this "surprising" is the polls--which still say this is NOT what the American public wants. And that is the most frightening element of this whole thing. That neither the Congressional majority nor the media cares a fig what the electorate wants. Yes, it is surprising that the polls say this - if they are legitimate. Actually the most frightening element would be the possibility that these polls might indeed be true, which would prove that our society has finally devolved literally into "the ignorant masses." I would not argue that "neither the Congressional majority nor the media care a fig what the electorate wants," but in fairness, and in the interest of accuracy, I would have to add that neither does the congressional minority. Someone here made an excellent post some time back about the humiliation of Democratic presidents in our time. They have not merely been accused of "wrongdoing," but have been dragged before the American public in shame. Which presidents do you have in mind? All of Roosevelt's "accomplishments" went against American tradition as well as the intent and spirit of our constitution, yet he is revered by the media as well as in history texts. I don't recall Truman getting an unfair review. John Kennedy was a pretty ineffectual president; everything he did turned to fecal matter. Yet after he was assassinated he became a national hero. Even today, when his sexual escapades are brought up, it is in a tone giving him an air of macho-ism. As to L. B. Johnson, like FDR, his is an example of unlimited power abused for the purposes of personal political enrichment. In an era when the popularity of the concept of socialism was at one of its peaks, Johnson took every advantage. Today we are reaping the consequences of his "Great Society." Yet when his character flaws are discussed by today's media, they are passed off as amusing eccentricies. He too seems revered by the media for his efforts to further the socialist cause. If you mean Jimmy Carter, yes he's been laughed at quite a bit, but not by the media. His problem was simply incompetence; he simply wasn't up to the job. But that is not a part of his historical legacy. His legacy is merely that he was a very nice man. And this brings us to Mr. Clinton. I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton met with some unfortunate accident on his current tripIt will be interesting to see if he gets back in one piece. Time will tell. Let us hope that no harm comes to him. It would be the wrong way to have our problem solved. Make no mistake. This is a bloodless coup. It is you and the pundits who are helping to form your opinions who are making the mistake. This is not a coup. It is the legitimate activity of the American constitutional system of government in reaction to a crisis. A bit late and a bit light perhaps, but the system is working, and at least so far, we should all be thankful for that. And all of you who think that you hate/dislike/disapprove of Clinton are not going to like what comes nextbut you will deserve it. This I would agree with. None of us is going to like what comes next. And we will all deserve it. Those of us who vehemently disapprove of the level of corruption exemplified by your Mr. Clinton will deserve it because of our apathy, lack of protest. Those like yourself who condone and support the actions of men like Bill Clinton will deserve it because of your unwillingness to see truth through your own smokey aura of petty and selfish emotion. It is a sad thing for all of us. Jim sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Bald face liars testify to congress
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 6:25:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a perfectly outrageous presentation. Why would anyone ask anyone else any question based on that garbage unless they were investigating a "REAL" sex crime. I imagine that if we could lay (no pun intended) all the guys who have asked Paula for sex end to end, we could reach China. What's the crime here? Asking for sex is one thing, and although socially inappropriate (uncivilized), it is generally not a crime, the exception being the workplace, where it is now considered sexual harrassment, which is a crime. Governor Slick was the CEO of the state of Arkansas and therefore Ms. Jones' employer. Beyond that, Ms. PRUDYL might have forgotten that Ms. Jones also accused Mr. Clinton of indecent exposure, which has long been a crime in all settings. Incidentally, she also claims to have specific proof of this. She was probably socially inferior to the majority of them. I know I had a lot of high muckety mucks on my list of requesters. So what? Is there a pattern here? Are all Clinton defenders elitists? I think you guys have your brains twisted up in Monica's thong. Prudy I considered a reference to Bill's jockstrap, but in the interest of good taste decided to let it pass. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? (fwd)
Original message Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 04:36:45 EST From: Spirit Of Truth Page http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/ Subject: IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? By J. Adams December 8th, 1998 The Spirit Of Truth Page http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/ Monday's White House Press Briefing was opened with the announcement that President Clinton would give his State of the Union Address on Jan 19, 1999 - unusually early. January 20th is a key date if the president chooses to resign on this date because, as of the 20th, Al Gore will be eligible to serve two full terms as President on top of serving out the final two years of Clinton's presidency. Therefore, if Clinton were to resign the day after his State of the Union address, Al will effectively be able to serve up to ten years as President. When Nixon resigned in 1974, he did so after the Judiciary Committee voted for articles of impeachment but before the House actually voted for impeachment. The reason he timed his announced resignation at this point is most likely because, according to the U.S. Constitution (Article II Section 2): "The President shall ... have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Thus, in order to preserve Vice President Ford's ability to pardon President Nixon's criminal offenses, Nixon had to announce his resignation *before* the House voted for his formal impeachment. And this, of course, is precisely what happened. Nixon resigned before the House voted for impeachment and later, since no formal impeachment occurred, Ford was able to pardon him. The odds are that Clinton wants to avoid criminal prosecution and going to jail for his felonies more so than he wants to cling to the Presidency and try and ride out impeachment proceedings. Even if Clinton succeeds in not being removed from office for his crimes, he can, after his term ends after the year 2000, be criminally prosecuted and incarcerated for his crimes. If the House votes for his impeachment, the next president, and there's no guarantee the next president will be a Democrat, can NOT pardon him since the Constitution forbids pardons in cases of impeachment. Hence, if it looks like the House is going to vote for impeachment, it behooves Clinton to announce his resignation in order to stave-off such a vote. In this way, Gore will still be able to pardon Clinton for his crimes since Clinton was not formally impeached by the House of Representatives. Although it is still an open question in Constitutional Law debate, the odds are that Clinton can not hold-off announcing his resignation until after the House votes if he wants to preserve a possible pardon by Gore. If it looks like the House is going to vote for impeachment, it appears that Clinton MUST announce his resignation beforehand in order to stop his formal impeachment from taking place. If Clinton is going to announce his resignation in order to stop the House of Representatives from voting for his formal impeachment, it would be most strategic to announce that his resignation will be effective January 20th, 1999. As noted above, this will allow Gore to serve out the last two years of Clinton's presidential term and still be able to serve two additional full terms, i.e., Gore will be able to be President for up to ten years. Thus, the reason that the White House has announced an early State of the Union address is because, contrary to his stated promises to never resign, Clinton is planning to announce his resignation - effective January 20th, 1999, the day after his final State of the Union address - sometime during the next couple of weeks in order to stave-off a vote for formal impeachment by the House. (And yesthis would mean Clinton has told yet another lie!) Further indicating that resignation may be on the mind of President Clinton, a leading Democratic Senator, Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, has reportedly agreed to receive Ross Perot's petitions calling on the President to resign "for the good of the country, for the sake of our children". According to Robert Hillman of the Dallas Morning News (12/8/98): "Petition signatures sought by Ross Perot to persuade President Clinton to resign will be sent to the Democratic Connecticut senator who was an early critic of the president's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Russell Verney, chairman of the Perot-founded Reform Party who helped coordinate the petition drive, said Sen. Joseph
