Re: [CTRL] Thinking Exercises
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- FWD: CLASSIC LATERAL THINKING EXERCISES (?) Try these to loosen up the old brain cells. 1. There is a man who lives on the top floor of a very tall building. Everyday he gets the elevator down to the ground floor to leave the building to go to work. Upon returning from work though, he can only travel half way up in the lift and has to walk the rest of the way unless it's raining! Why? This is probably the best known and most celebrated of all lateral thinking puzzles. It is a true classic. Although there are many possible solutions which fit the initial conditions, only the canonical answer is truly satisfying. He's a dwarf. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] June and Uncouth Behavior
-Caveat Lector- Go girl!! Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have decided not to let this pass by; in the first place the question I asked about Jesus Christ holding a book and giving someone the mojo, was just that. At no time did I say he was holding a bible; I sid a book. You told me to find the answer in the bible..the book in this picture was not obviously a bible, and in fact I was wondering how a painting at tht particular time in history, could reflect a publishing house somewhereGuttenberg, as I recall, published one of the first bibles. June, you are rude and crude; I have a picture of you in mind and it isn't very pleasant = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA160 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:46:08 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 3:58:30 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 25069218 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:58:26 -0500 Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.95]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18198 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailtod-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.238]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id AAA09234; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-261.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/mt.gso.26Feb98) id AAA17724; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvpWyHphiUnyRipyJZ9GKmH/w00gCFQCHjHLuOpSiHX9srh5xVoglj0dglQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:58:25 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] June and Uncouth Behavior To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] June and Uncouth Behavior
-Caveat Lector- revcoal wrote: I have a picture of you in mind and it isn't very pleasant = And tell me why I'm supposed to care...? June June, you do care or else you wouldn't spend such lengths of time responding to every mail. If you don't care you are as nasty as you sound. If you do care you are as sad and lonely as you sound. How sad, you can't win can you!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible and the Icon
-Caveat Lector- revcoal wrote: I have begun a folder of your posts which are obvious examples of stalking (including your private emails to me), to turn over to my state's attorney general for possible prosecution under my state's very strict anti-cyber-stalking laws... Now this is getting silly. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pictures
-Caveat Lector- A guy asks a question and you suggest he reads the bible to find the answer. There's nothing like making life difficult for someone is there?? I gather you either don't want to help or you want him to find out the answer to his simple question in about 3 months (and after many sleepless nights)!! revcoal wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Colleen Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a icon which I bought at St. Josephs - Jesus holding a jewelled copy of a book, and he is giving the mojo sign. This painting is a very famous painting, done in the Byzentine period. I often wondered why jewells would be painted on this book; Try actually READING the Bible for the answer to this... and what the mojo meant then. 'Mojo' is a relatively modern, and western, term...not sure what YOU mean by it (indeed, I find trying to understand ANYTHING from you), but I presume you're referring to the traditional church sign of blessing, where two fingers are extended... This is a very old and traditional sign of blessing... Some call this the sign of the devil; I've neve heard it referred to as such...I HAVE heard of it as warding off the 'evil eye', and indeed many people of Italian extraction where necklaces with this sign as a pendant... Please forgive misspelled words. i aint what I used to be. If you ever were... There was a jewelled copy of the Rubyait aboard the Titanic, that must have been worth a fortune; have never been able to find out how old this book was; but, its design looked very similar to the book held in the painting. It was very common for books to have jeweled covers, prior to the invention of the printing press, as the creation of a book was such a labor-intensive project that it made the cost of each book prohibitive, and in the league with precious gems... June *===* The world is coming to an end. Log off and leave in an orderly fashion. *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA279 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:16:12 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 7:28:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 25009986 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:28:54 -0500 Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21911 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from revcoal@localhost) by comet.connix.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA28341; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:28:48 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.10.06.22 Message-ID:
[CTRL] Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Parsnips
-Caveat Lector- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The 33 Year Question
-Caveat Lector- Amidst anguish and outrage, a question has plagued the collective subconscious of America for 33 years: Who killed President John F. Kennedy? As one who was alive when it happened, I can testify to the effects of that act upon myself and to what I observed around me. Tragedy is traumatic. I was pulled out of junior high Spanish class and sent out on the street selling newspapers containing the grim news. Only twice in my lifetime were kids hawking papers on the street in our town: the day JFK was assassinated, and the day Ruby shot Oswald. Kennedy's murder represents far more than the unlikely act of a "lone nut" or even a concealed political conspiracy. A four-tiered network of power interests was responsible for the Killing of the King of Camelot, with the all-seeing eye of the Illuminati at the top of the pyramid. Hanging from the Illuminati puppet strings are the Masonic and other 'secret' societies, followed by the national security state apparatus/subculture. A rogue's gallery of various commercial, ideological, political and bureaucratic partners fill out the foundation of this conspiracy. What is the Illuminati? In 1785, a bolt of lightning struck a courier en route to Paris from Frankfort-on-the-Main. "Original Shift in Days of Illuminations," a tract written by Adam "Spartacus" Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati, was recovered from the dead messenger. It contained the secret society's long-range plan for "The New World Order through world revolution." The Bavarian Government promptly outlawed the society and in 1787 published the details of The Illuminati conspiracy in "The Original Writings of the Order and Sect of the Illuminati." The Illuminati was publicly founded May 1, 1776, at the University of Ingolstadt by Weishaupt, a Professor of Canon Law. It was a very "learned" society; Weishaupt drew the earliest members of his new order from among his students. In Adam Weishaupt's own words: "By this plan, we shall direct all mankind in this manner. And, by the simplest means, we shall set all in motion and in flames. The occupations must be so allotted and contrived that we may, in secret, influence all political transactions." There is disagreement among scholars as to whether or not the Illuminati survived its banishment. Nevertheless, under Weishaupt's guidance, the group had been quite successful in attracting members and through various manipulations had allied itself with the extensive Masonic networks in Europe and the United States. On December 5, 1776, students at William and Mary College founded a secret society, Phi Beta Kappa. A second chapter was formed, at Yale, in 1780. The anti-Masonic movement which erupted in the United States during the 1820s denounced the secrecy of groups such as Phi Beta Kappa. The society responded to this pressure by going public. Some researchers note this as the direct cause of the appearance of Yale's Order of Skull and Bones. The alumni of Skull and Bones provide a direct link between secret societies and the state department/national security apparatus. From "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography": "...Prescott Bush [Skull Bones] was a U.S. senator from Connecticut, a confidential friend and golf partner with National Security Director Gordon Gray, and an important golf partner with Dwight Eisenhower as well. Prescott's old lawyer from the Nazi days, John Foster Dulles, was Secretary of State, and his brother Allen Dulles, formerly of the Schroder bank, was head of the CIA. ... "In the later years of the Eisenhower presidency, Gordon Gray rejoined the government. As an intimate friend and golfing partner of Prescott Bush, Gray complemented the Bush influence on Ike. The Bush-Gray family partnership in the 'secret government' continues up through the George Bush presidency. "Gordon Gray had been appointed head of the new Psychological Strategy Board in 1951 under Averell Harriman's rule as assistant to President Truman for national security affairs. From 1958 to 1961 Gordon Gray held the identical post under President Eisenhower. Gray acted as Ike's intermediary, strategist and hand-holder, in the President's relations with the CIA and the U.S. and allied military forces. "Eisenhower did not oppose the CIA's covert action projects; he only wanted to be protected from the consequences of their failure or exposure. Gray's primary task, in the guise of 'oversight' on all U.S. covert action, was to protect and hide the growing mass of CIA and related secret government activities." It was not only covert "projects" which were developed by the Gray-Bush-Dulles combination; it was also new, hidden "structures" of the United States government. From "The Immaculate Deception" by Russell Bowen: "According to Nixon's biography, his personal and political ties with the Bush family go back to 1946, when Nixon claims he read an ad placed in an L.A. newspaper by the Orange County Republican Party and a
Re: [CTRL] Pentium III-only sites coming
-Caveat Lector- You can see where this is heading can't you. Eventually all standard sites will be phased out until only PIII machines can access the web. Then anyone who is surfing the web will be seen, registered, logged, watched, controlled, denied access, restricted from speaking their mind and ultimately will make the Net pointless unless you want to see the latest football scores. Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.it.fairfax.com.au/990302/hardware/hardware3.html A HREF="http://www.it.fairfax.com.au/990302/hardware/hardware3.html"IT NEWS /A - Tuesday 2 March 1999 Pentium III-only sites coming By DAVID FLYNN | INTEL is working with several Australian content providers to establish Web sites that are not only optimised for PCs based on the Pentium III processor but restricted to Pentium III machines. The program intends for each Web site to probe the PC and use the chip's Processor Serial Number (PSN) to identify a Pentium III client. "We want the process of moving around the site to be invisible to the user, so there's no time lag as you move from one area to the next," Angelo Lo Certo, Intel's advertising and Internet marketing manager for Asia Pacific, said, although he adds "this is one of the ways we'd like to do it in the future". However, in the early days of the program the PSN will not be employed. Instead, the exclusivity will be obtained by the Web sites "interrogating the processor" to obtain a CPU ID which proclaims the chip as a Pentium II or a Pentium III. This is a generic instruction common to all chips, not one which tags each individual processor, says Lo Certo. "There is no information transaction. The CPU ID is simply a reporting-back feature, not one of actively sending information. It works just as an application would if it was drawing a picture on the screen," he said. In both cases the common goal is to usher owners of a Pentium III into special pages where content such as streaming media, 3D interfaces and animation have been peak-tuned to suit Intel's latest powerhouse processor. Australia is one of several countries where such sites will go live towards the end of March, although Intel would not divulge the names of partners at this stage. It is part of the Web Outfitter project, which is intended to showcase the Net-savvy attributes of the Pentium III and its 70 new instructions, many of which were born with the Net in mind. At the heart of the program is Intel's own Web Outfitter site. It is from here that users will be able to download browser plug-ins that Intel has had optimised for the Pentium III platform, and then click on links to third-party sites that utilise those cutting-edge technologies. "The basic premise is that if you have a Pentium III-based PC your Internet experience will be greatly enhanced," says Lo Certo. The third-party program has its own operating budget above the $US300 million advertising war chest earmarked for the Pentium III, although Intel would not reveal how much would be funnelled into its own efforts or the third-party sites. But the Web Outfitter scheme is not designed to persuade buyers to choose a machine with the Pentium III inside (just as well, considering that behind the big blue door is strictly "members only"). It is an after-sales benefit, designed to increase that vital post-sale satisfaction and reinforce the buyer's decision. "On our own site we're developing themes on various issues, like a magazine," says Lo Certo. "We want to broaden its appeal by making it a little bit like a long periodical magazine that changes its theme once every second month, and that theme is bought to life with added information. "The type of Web sites we're working with then add to that theme. That means not just the traditional uses of the Internet for research and e-mail but also lifestyle-oriented material such as entertainment, recreation and learning, and we'd like to hit some of these high notes with the service." A spokeswoman for competitive chip-marker AMD said that while AMD maintained an "extensive and successful program" to help software and hardware developers enhance their products for the 3DNow multimedia technology built into AMD's K-6 processor family, including the new K-6 III, it had no plans to create a Web-specific content scheme. | go to top | Intel cools clamour to join gigahertz club INTEL has demonstrated a version of its new Pentium III microprocessor that computes more than a billion operations a second, the so-called one-gigahertz mark. Pentium III-only sites coming INTEL is working with several Australian content providers to establish Web sites that are not only optimised for PCs based on the Pentium III processor but restricted to Pentium III machines. Copyright © 1998 John Fairfax Holdings Ltd. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona
Re: [CTRL] Yev Gotta Apologise
-Caveat Lector- This is just getting nasty. Andrew - prove it and then we will discuss. J2 listen, make-up your mind up about Andrew then shut up. nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- If someone puts out a story like Andrew's, he should be able to defend it against the skepticism it deserves. Lying is an attack upon the perceptions of the person being lied to. It does psychological damage by causing one to lose one's confidence in one's ability to judge reality. Any lie should be shown up and counter attacked. Skepticism is a science - there are at least half a dozen forms of skeptical argument within the Philosophy of Science and epistemology. Insane ? yes the story is Fng insane - its sad that its the truth. I don't want to rock your version of reality - that is not my right. I apologise if I have disturbed you - best wishes, Andrew Hennessey It's OK Andrew you didn't exactly shake the foundations of my universe. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA94 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:02:21 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:43:11 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 24567105 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:43:10 -0500 Received: from ns.kreative.net (NS.kreative.net [209.194.120.201]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03565 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.kreative.net (dialdc48.kreative.net [216.84.54.49]) by ns.kreative.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09611; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:44:21 -0800 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Subject: Re: [CTRL] Yev Gotta Apologise To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] On the radio today
-Caveat Lector- Cool, Give 'em your best shot! Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy, Well, yours truly will be on the radio this afternoon. KUGN 590 AM, Eugene, Oregon. 1pm to 2 or 3pm. The Victor Boc Show. Gonna talk about Skull Bones and what not. Parts of my piece will be run in Paranoia's spring issue. Thanks, Al. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA206 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:12:44 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:41 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 24391616 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:40 -0500 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09461 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XUZYa05514 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:12 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] On the radio today To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has Bill Clinton Died? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Hilary A. Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- -- From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has Bill Clinton Died? (fwd) Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 12:51 PM -Caveat Lector- Also, 2 other things come to mind as to a possible Clinton double: 1) Movie based on "Man in the Iron Mask." The king has a look-alike brother who is attempted to be switched and placed on the throne. 2) Some other movie which for the life of me I don't recall, where a look-alike is almost installed as president of U.S. Anyone recall the movie? The movie is called "Dave" I think with Kevin Klein and S. Weaver. I don't think the "double" could be a genetic clone as you would have to wait 40+ years for the clone to grow up which would mean that Clinton would have to have been "selected" as President at birth. So, are you talking about surgical procedures to create the double? Hilary I always hate trying to spell Sigourney also. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] URGENT CALL
-Caveat Lector- Duh, yeah sure, have all my wordly goods. Huh-huh. Yours Mr. G. Ullible U.P.secr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- "URGENT NEED FOR $50,000 US IN ONE WEEK (BY THE 20th FEBRUARY) If we have 500-1000 people each donating 50-100 dollars (also bigger or smaller donations are of course very welcome !!!), we will have it ! " See bottom of e-mail for name of Bank and account for deposit~ je - --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:52:54 GMT Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Inter Continental Caravan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Inter Continental Caravan needs you ! To whom it may concern - an urgent appeal, Dear recipients, In May and June 600 Southern activists tour around Europe together with European activists to demonstrate against 93free trade94 and the institutions pressing for it (the World Trade Organisation, the International Chamber of Commerce, the European Commission etc.), against dodgy multinationals, especially those involved in biotechnology (Monsanto, Novartis...) and to meet and network with different groups across the Continent. We are going to meet with the Geld oder Leben (Money or Life) Bicycle Caravan and the Caravan of Refugees and Migrants in Germany, the Euromarches, Farmers movements in Eastern Europe... The Inter Continental Caravan will join in the demonstrations against the NATO and Nuclear Weapons organised by For Mother Earth and join the actions against the EU-Summit and the G8-Summit in Cologne, and will coincide with the International Day of Action at Financial Centers on the June 18th, which will end the Caravan. The Inter Continental Caravan for Solidarity and Resistance is an initiat ive of the People's Global Action against free94 trade and the WTO (PGA), a network of different people92s movements and organisations around the world. The Caravan will consist mainly of Indian peasants, since that's where idea originally came from. There will be activists from all biggest farmers movements from India, and also anti-nuclear activists, indigenous people, landless, and people fighting against the Narmada Dam project. From other parts of the World, there will be people from Moviemento dos Sem Terra (Landless movement in Brazil), Madres de la Plaza de Mayo (Mothers of the disappeared from Argentina), womens peasant movement from Bangladesh, and there has been interest in Mexico, Nepal, Nicaragua, Columbia, Ecuador, Russia, Thailand, South Korea... This project is not about bringing Southern activists for an exhibition t our to Europe. It is about joining ours and theirs struggles, about solidarity and common resistance. With this project we hope to be able to built up stronger links within different European movements, and between European and Southern Movements. But this project needs everybodys involvement to become true ! Although there have already been extensive fundraising efforts, and much money has already come in, there is still an URGENT NEED FOR 50 000 US DOLLARS IN ONE WEEK (BY THE 20th FEBRUARY), otherwise we will loose the contracts with the busses we are planning to use. This seems to be a very big amount of money, but if we have 500-1000 peop le each donating 50-100 dollars (also bigger or smaller donations are of course very welcome !!!), we will have it ! If we consider that all the Indian participants are each paying their own airfare to participate in the Inter Continental Caravan, then such donations of 50-100 dollars really are not so huge as they may seem, in relation to a project of such magnitude. Please spread this appeal around, publicise it in different newsletters a nd magazines, call your relatives and people who symphatize radical political activism With the EU having the Agenda 2000, the WTOs Milennium round starting, this Caravan really has to take place now - with a little bit of effort from everyone we can make it ! Bank details: Account number: 3701010441 Bank number: 50090100, Okobank Berlin Please specify all the money as "Busses for the Caravan" AND notify us when putting money into the account. For more information: Inter Continental Caravan PO Box 2228, 2301 CE Leiden, Holland tel/fax +31-71-517 3094 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web-site: http://stad.dsl.nl/~caravan, http://www.agp.org -- For MAI-not (un)subscription information, posting guidelines and links to other MAI sites please see http://mai.flora.org/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
Re: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999
-Caveat Lector- Try doing it correctly as stated at the bottom of every CTRL message, schmuck! Lloyd (Casey) Wade-Shields wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have asked 1000 times please take me off this list -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 7:08 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: re; AANEWS for Thursday, February 11, 1999 -Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for February 11, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S AANEWS #525 ~~ 2/11/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "For Reason and the First Amendment" -- In This Issue... * Falwell: beware Telletubbies, antichrist * Many agree with Falwell's views on Armageddon * American Atheist Press Release on Falwell * American Atheists National Convention, April 2-4, 1999 * Vatican to intervene on behalf of ex-dictator Pinochet? * American Atheist Magazine poll * Resources * About this list... LOST IN SPACE: THE WILD, WACKY WORLD OF JERRY FALWELL From the Antichrist to Gay "Teletubbies," the TV Evangelist Warns the Flock He's at it again. Just one week after apologizing for remarks that many considered to be bigoted and anti-Semitic, evangelist Jerry Falwell has now suggested that a popular children's character, Tinky Winky, is gay and thus "damaging to the moral lives of children." Tinky Winky is one of the popular "Teletubbies," amorphous characters on a popular British-made children's television show which premiered in 1997 and has become a smash hit for PBS. The characters have inspired a burst of promotional tie-ins including doll sets which are scheduled for release next month. In addition to Tinky Winky, there's Po, LaLa and Dipsy who are rounded yellow, green and red characters with televisions sets in their tummies and squiggly antennae on their heads. What seems to distinguish Tinky Winky, though -- and outrages Rev. Falwell -- is his purple color and the fact that his antenna is in the shape of a triangle. Get it? Falwell's remarks appeared in his National Liberty Journal earlier this month. Describing the Tinky Winky character, it noted: "He is purple -- the gay-pride color;and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol." The article then went on to describe a Washington Post editorial that depicted Tinky's photo "opposite that of Ellen DeGeneres in an 'In/Out' column. This implies that Ellen is 'out' as the chief national gay representative, while Tinky Winky is the trendy 'in' celebrity." Tinky has also been seen carrying a "purse," claimed Falwell's publication. In addition, the Teletubbies hero has the voice of a boy "and has become a favorite character among gay groups worldwide..." "These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional and parents are warned to be alert to these elements in the series," concluded the Journal. The remarks have rocketed Falwell back into the headlines, provided news writers with a cornucopia of biting remarks, and left a spokesman for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., the firm which licenses the Teletubbies in America, astounded. Steven Rice told reporters yesterday that the Tinky Winky character carries a "magic bag" and that does not "make him gay." "It's a children's show, folks. To think we would be putting sexual innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish," he added. Rice also charged that Falwell was targeting "something sweet and innocent" in order to further his conservative political agenda. "To out a Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part. I really find it absurd and kind of offensive." Falwell's war on the Teletubby character, though, is part of a larger campaign that he and his organizations have waged against homosexuals for nearly twenty year. Gays and gay rights were a major focus for the preacher when he founded his Moral Majority organization in 1980. And in 1997, Falwell continued his battle against homosexuals in the media when he pressured General Motors, Chrysler and Johnson Johnson to withdraw sponsorship from an episode of the "Ellen" show where the lead character -- comedian and actress Ellen DeGeneres -- announced that she was a lesbian." Understanding Falwell's "Teletubbies" P To most rational folks, Rev. Falwell's claim that the Tinky Winky character somehow embodies homosexuality and is a threat to youngsters is absurd, even paranoid. To Falwell and many of his religious right supporters, however, it makes perfect sense. Convinced that there is a wide spread "homosexual agenda" at work in America -- especially one which intends to condition or "convert" young people from a natural heterosexual
Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup
-Caveat Lector- CRAP!!! Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- *** Attention *** The following is the English version of this message. It's that time again! As many of you know, each year the Internet must be shut down for 24 hours in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead email and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better working and faster Internet. This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m.. GMT on February 27 until 12:01 a.m. GMT on February 28 (the time least likely to interfere with ongoing work). During that 24-hour period, five powerful Internet search engines situated around the world will search the Internet and delete any data that they find. In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the following: 1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their Internet connections. 2. Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the Internet. 3. Disconnect all disks and hardrives from any connections to the Internet. 4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any way. We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some Internet users, and we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconveniences will be more than made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet, once it has been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. We thank you for your cooperation. Kim Dereksen Interconnected Network Maintenance staff, Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sysops and others: Since the last Internet cleaning, the number of Internet users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the upcoming Internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and Internet users as well. Thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA275 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:44:19 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:56:51 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23682567 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08030 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12598 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 15:56:44 - Received: from unknown (HELO sub.sonic.net) (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 15:56:44 - Received: from presario (d39.pm8.sonic.net [208.201.230.39]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA32402; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:56:42 -0800 X-envelope-info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: 013c01be56a0$3edd5000$27e6c9d0@presario Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:55:03 -0800 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup Comments: To: SkeptiChat list [EMAIL PROTECTED], skeptik list [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Re: [CTRL] fw: Net Cleanup
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is a warning to everyone using a computer! On Thursday, February 18, your computers will explode. Thank you. And the day before that they will start smelling of soup whilst reciting old Liza Minneli show tunes all the while shimmying across your desk in the style of MC Hammer. Thanking You. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What Will You Tell Your Children?
-Caveat Lector- What will you tell your children when the long dark night of state tyranny descends upon America? Will you tell them the truth? Or will you pretend to them that you did not know? You have allowed yourself to be fooled for many years. That is why America is in the political, religious, moral, and social decay it is in. It was easier for you to watch television than to bring the POW's home from Vietnam. It was easier to attend sporting events then to replace your corrupt congressmen or president with an honest one. It was easier to vote for the lesser of two evils or not at all rather than to work for those who you were told did not have a chance of winning. It was easier for you to be politically correct, jeer, and make sarcastic comments about "patriots," gun owners," and "religious right wingers" than to join with fellow countryman who were concerned about your homeland. It was easier to believe lies than to search out the truth. Because you have taken the easy way out, life will not be easy henceforward, not for you, your children, and those you have made fun of. You have betrayed not only your countrymen, but the past, present, and future. Your ancestors passed on to you the sacred torch of liberty. You personally, by inaction, have allowed it to be almost extinguished. The present moment, this brief time you were given here on earth, was your moment, your chance to give meaning to your life, to make a difference, to leave this earth a better place than you had found it. Instead, the future you have bequeathed to your children, will be because of your complacence and inaction, an ugly one of little happiness, safety, and freedom. All of this so you could take the easy way out. It was easier for you, oh weak man, to do nothing rather than to do anything. You thereby leave your children nothing of value. Nothing lasting. You bequeath to them a hollow existence, the toy of tyrants, the slave of evil men. What will you tell your children? Future generations shall curse your name, your grave, and your memory. But worse yet, what will you tell your children when they ask you why the long dark night has descended upon them? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Source wrote: Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Yes, but dear Richard, we've already been there, done thatand it was a total waste of time for all concerned. sno0wl Very true, i just had to say it and get it out of my system. Any opportunity to have a dig at organised religion :-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Let's end this now. My last point being that it was not only me who had a problem with what you said but Pru did also, in fact she sent me a personal mail about it (sorry Pru, hope you didn't mind me mentioning that. I was hoping you would have jumped in by now ;-) snip!!! Richard B. Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- After reading your post, I am now thoroughly convinced that you are a bona fide mentalcase. You mention that I failed to properly word what I wrote. Perhaps it is you who should admit that you failed to understand what I wrote! The debate was about the president's infidelity, and the first thing you jump on is what? The actions in question and how they relate to my sex life! What's the deal with that? It's not my fault if you are unable to infer what I meant. I notice no one else had that problem. Only you. So don't try to play it off now that I'm the one at fault here. You tried to have a cheap laugh at my expense and it backfired. Admit it and let's be done with it. JB P.S. Touché on the naivete thing. Although I don't think I embarrassed myself at all, I'll be sure to check and re-check next time I fire a response off. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA262 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:39:11 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:43 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23463111 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:42 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.imsint.com ([162.44.245.2]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26754 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by gatekeeper.imsint.com; id MAA08776; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(162.44.126.21) by gatekeeper.imsint.com via smap (4.1) id xma008460; Tue, 9 Feb 99 12:51:07 -0500 Received: by IMSUSPLYCX2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id 1DX6K85Z; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:50:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.aol.com id MAA26757 Message-ID: 11AB90E7AE36D21190D9F6B7482C510A58@IMSUSTOTCX2 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:50:20 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Brown, Jeremy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- Oh for gods sake, come on. Nobody can be perfect like you June, maybe you do research every detail of every suggestion, but just because someone threw a subject into the pot that proved to be fake, there is no need to cause such a ruckus. The mail you sent which listed the urban myths was enough to debunk that particular thread, lets leave it at that. revcoal wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (actually, I just forwarded the post from someone whom I trusted as being somewhat reliable), I issued the originator of this thread on the slim chance that there may have been something to it. Generally, I post such "provocative" information in the hopes that potential readers will be able to discern fact from fiction. Which is totally OT for this list... And still does not change the fact that you are spamming disinfo under the guise of 'truth'...if you TRULY doubted it's validity, you should have clearly labeled it as such...preceded it with something like "Hey, I just got this in from what I feel is a reliable source, can anyone confirm or deny this info?"... No, you sent it out only with a statement preceding the anecdotes claiming it came from a 'reliable' source, thereby implying validity... I see no such standard applied to the posters of other conspiratorial threads on subjects referring, say, to federal concentration camps :-) Federal concentration camps fall under the umbrella designation of 'conspiracy research'...supposed needles left in supposed movie theater seats does not... That said, I find it interesting that June, my harshest critic on this matter, made no mention of the fact that I just as eagerly disseminated a retraction of the thread--as a hoax--in the form of another forewarded post entitled: "SR News: The Aids Needle Hoaxes." Only after it was roundly pointed out by myself and others that it was a hoax, including my post with the URLs which document it as a hoax...only THEN did you post your retraction... Not only is spamming such stuff a breach of 'netiquette', it gives serious researchers into such things as 'conspiracy theories' a bad name to be associated with deseminating such obvious hoaxes...if one can't take the time to make sure of the validity of such stories as the HIV needles, the organ harvesting, the free trip to Disney, the any number of 'Good Times' viruses, the flashing-headlight-gang-initiation, and other internet hoaxes/urban legends, how can one's assertion on any OTHER subject be taken seriously? June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA220 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:58:51 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows
Re: [CTRL] Internet Censorship - what a bummer
-Caveat Lector- Well folks, after having a few conversations with some of my contacts, Im convinced that we should all just unsubscribe from the Net and go back to writing good, old-fashioned letters. The internet, perhaps the last truly free means of information exchange in the Western World, may soon be choked by censorship and governmental controls. The circumscribing of the net may cause the death of what has become the first people-to-people exchange of ideas and information on a world wide basis. The forces behind this effort appear at first glance to be an unlikely coalition of conspirators, the CIA, some Jewish Religious groups, and various foreign governments. While this unholy alliance for censorship and control may seem unusual to some, politics makes the bed for these strange fellows. Indisputably, an international cabal of special interest groups both within and out of governments are working both openly and secretly to end the unregulated direct exchange of information between people. At stake is nothing less then the regaining of information control which the internet has shattered. Up for grabs is nothing more than the thinking and decision making abilities of informed men. You probably already have your own theories about this little conspiracy, but I think its time to wake up and smell the coffee folks (particularly those on AOL or AOL lists oops, thats us !!). Information has flowed from the top down for most of this century. Filtering of information by middle men from government, newspapers, radio, and then television has left most people depending upon Paul Harvey "for the rest of the story." Suddenly, almost without warning, the internet mushroomed into popularity connecting people all over the world together electronically and thereby threatening the power of those who disseminate information. If information is power, then the control of information is more power. The ideas of men are shaped by what they are told. For those who hope to erect a "New World Order" upon what they view as the antiquated ashes of free speech, control of the internet has jumped to near top of the list of "things to do." Governments and religious groups manipulate and control people by what they are allowed to know or not know. A decision has been made by the information brokers to end unregulated information exchange. Overnight the propaganda begins as these forces build their case for control and censorship. Quickly the nightly news lights up with horror stories of pornography on the net (in fact as I type the news is relaying yet another perpetrator). Minutes later the same channel runs four hours of lurid programming bringing profanity, sex, sodomites and violence into the homes of viewers who were just shocked about porno on the net (Hello UK Channel 5). Newspapers carry feature length stories about children being lured from home over the computer telephone line, as if somehow typing a request to a child for sex over the phone line is more effective than saying it over the same phone line. The Anti-Defamation League issues reports saying that bomb plans can be found on the net along with anti- Jewish opinion. As if the same were not available in every public library in the United States. Politicians in Washington began to talk about "protecting the children." The same politicians who's destructive social policies and no win wars have destroyed more mothers sons than all the pagan empires of the past. Rabbi Abraham Cooper calls for censorship of politically incorrect ideas in Canada and asks for the establishment of an "internet police." A delegation from the Nazi- hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center in Vienna Austria, which has for the most part run out of eighty year old former Nazis to hunt, takes on the new task of information censors and asks Italian Prime Minister Lamberto Dini, European Union president to back World Jewish Congress initiatives to stop those who disagree on the impact and importance of the holocaust from using the internet. Then in a joint effort of the ADL and the Simon Wiesenthal Center letters are mailed to Internet service providers urging providers not to carry messages that contain non-complimentary opinion about Jews, which is quickly labeled as "cyberhate speech." This is but a glimpse of the public efforts of the information censors to unleash "info police" on the net. It is clear that those who have previously served as the middlemen of politically correct information are distraught at their having been taken out of the loop. Meanwhile, sources within the federal government, who wish to remain unnamed (please dont ask me), reveal that there are considerable behind the scene efforts to bring the flow of information under government control. In the labyrinthine bunkers of the CIA in Arlington Virginia, a team of planners has begun discussion on how to control the net by establishing internet node servers
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Edward Britton wrote: This was sent to me, and I know it is not impossible. When I was a young girl, they were doing similar things with needles, only it was to drug the girls and take them away for prostitution in hiding...so this could be possible. You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. Then again, one day a story will come along like this and you will simply dismiss it as an 'urban hoax' only to become a victim of it. So, don't always believe what you hear, but at least take note of it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- revcoal wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. Then again, one day a story will come along like this and you will simply dismiss it as an 'urban hoax' only to become a victim of it. No, I will do what I always do, AND CHECK OUT IT'S VALIDITY BEFORE ROUTINELY SPAMMING IT FAR AND WIDE ON THE INTERNET. I will use my CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS to analyze whether it shows any possible validity, or as in this case displays the blatant signs of a hoax. June OK HAL. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- " Have to agree with you there Pru. I don't know about JBrown, but where i come from Oral sex and mutual masturbation is not exactly Bestiality or Incest!!" You see, it's this type of slow-wittedness that keeps this discussion from reaching a logical end. The fact that you cannot grasp the point I was trying to make is painfully evident in your cheap shot at me. Let me try to explain this to you. WHAT the president did is neither here nor there. WHO he did it with is the issue. Did that totally go over your head? Hey, I wouldn't even care if he got into bestiality, as you so wittily stated. That's his own business. The fact that he got involved with an EMPLOYEE of his who is HALF HIS AGE is disturbing. Please, let's keep this discussion on the right track. JBrown said: "oral sex, mutual masturbation, phone sex, proposed sodomy and used a cigar as a dildo. All with a woman half his age and not his wife. As far as my definition of normal, I can safely say one thing: None of the above qualifies." So what, Mr.Brown, is the above statement meant to mean. My so called 'cheap shot' was at your naivety and obvious lack of experience in life if you believe that the things you listed are abnormal!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: Oh my GOD! Tell me you aren't really this dense! How many times do I have to explain this? OK, let's do this piece by piece. First up, I assume you are asking a question with that first sentence. However, since you don't seem to know how to use a question mark, it must remain an assumption. I will respond in kind, nonetheless. The above statement was meant to address the fact that our president engaged in various and sundry sexual acts with someone who is NOT HIS WIFE!!! Again, I'll say it...WHAT HE DID IS IRRELEVANT! I don't think anything that he did is abnormal! Just the fact that the other participant wasn't his wife. For you to turn it around into some sort of pre-pubescent gigglefest about my sex life just shows me how truly boneheaded you really are. JB P.S. Before you try and shoot me down by calling me naiveLEARN HOW TO SPELL N-A-I-V-E-T-E Look, I think you had better splash some cold water on your face, re-examine your original sentence and then admit that perhaps you worded it slightly wrong. Its no good trying to convince people what you meant when your original text indicated otherwise. You listed the various sexual acts then followed it by mentioning he slept with someone other than his wife I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT MORALLY CORRECT, but you STILL said these things are NOT normal. That is where my original comment came in. It may be better for you (and your blood pressure) if you admitted that the original message was worded incorrectly, then rewrite it stating what you actually meant. Maybe if you spent more time trying to explain what you meant instead of running punctuation checks on everyones messages, you wouldnt have created this self-imposed confusion. P.S. Collins English dictionary states: 'naivety (nye-eev-tee) or naivete: the state or quality of being naive. It's worth researching your argument before embarrassing yourself in front of all the list members. Consider yourself 'shot-down' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- I don't like or appreciate the way FWP is going about this BUT...could he have a point? Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Bob Stokes wrote: Just from looking at his CC list (Henry Ayre and 13Teaxan), it is appaent he is in with the same crowd that got bounced about a year ago for their praise of Hitler etc. etc. Like I really care about some nut in BC. Stay in Canada fwp. Nay O' tp of Americanism. Pops Ayre knows all and sees all with "his head in the cool, cool North" (Alaska) as the pop song words say. Mind you his head is sometimes shoved up the ass of a frozen sled dog but that is another story. The cryogenics boys will figure out how to thaw out poor old Getafix. Consider the source, wish I could block his posts. Spoken like a true AOL free speech loving "prawn". THIS LIST IS A CONSPIRACY FWP. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Existence Of Freewill (Formerly AOL Conspiracy?)
-Caveat Lector- Stopforth, Jamie wrote: I don't think it fair to simply say that we respond to contridictive "proof" with "God said." Each and every time I've backed my position with evidence. Biblical as well as World Historical. THUS proselytizing (and not just in religious areas either) is not permitted BECAUSE their is no way to get "true believers" to recant their position and agree that they are wrong since these things involve personal belief and faith, which are both unassailable to rational argument You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with you, or anyone. On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the Biblical God? Jamie "Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof" [Ashley Montague] Due to recent debate on this list, this topic has been dubbed "Freewill under an omniscient creator". This is fundamentally one of the most important arguments I can present for or against the existence of God, because it ties in so many concepts central to the core of Christianity. With this argument, I want to show that God cannot be our omniscient creator and allow us freewill at the same time. With Christianity, Christ is central to atoning for the sins of mankind. Had there been no sins of mankind, the story of Christ would fall apart. So we look at the nature of sin. If God created all and what he created had elements of evil, didn't God therefore create evil? This is where the argument for the existence of freewill comes in, one such supporter would contend that because God created man with freewill, it was man who chose to sin and God is not responsible. If I can show that freewill must exist, then the original sin is truly a sin and therefore mankind needed Christ and the story of Christianity holds ground. However, if I can show that freewill cannot exist, then man is not responsible for his sins, for he never chose to sin. This would imply that God created evil and would have serious implications to the validity of Christianity. From observational data, most humans would contend that we have freewill. However, as the history of science has pointed out, what appears to be going on is not always intuitively true. So, what we can infer is that from our human frame of reference, we have freewill. Does this automatically mean that we have freewill on any frame of reference, including God's frame? So how can we look at God's frame, which is supposedly incomprehensible? I argue that looking at this frame is essential to whether or not one becomes a Christian, and being that we are judged on how whether or not you become one, I find it okay to look at certain aspects of God's frame. Do you agree? I find that God's perspective is omniscient. There are numerous hints in the bible which suggest that God is of this all-knowing nature, most obvious of which is I John 3:20. What would it be like to be omniscient and a creator? If God is omniscient and creates, then he knows all possible ways of creating. He can create a universe with properties "A" or he can create a universe with properties "B". In fact, there are tons if not an infinite amount of universes he could have created. All he had to do is choose one universe, and he chose our universe. This universe he chose includes all of the decisions we as humans make, because the decisions we make effect the universe, and when he makes the universe, he can see in every way the universe will be effected because he is omniscient. Hence the multiple possible universes to begin with makes sense, each possible universe includes a different path for different decisions made by people concerning the same choice. To put my ramblings into a nutshell (I know some people on this list prefer quick hits as opposed to length hello TEO1000!!! ;-) ) God is omniscient, and knows all possible outcomes of all possible creations of all possible universes.He chooses one of these universes in creation and executes.In doing so, he chooses the paths of our lives. You see, I strongly argue that by being omniscient, the universe is completely deterministic to God, and by being a creator, he cannot allow freewill to exist unless the universe is no longer predetermined to him. Free will is not something you can create - it is a consequence of the lack of omniscience and the ability to create. We can accept God as omniscient and us as robots. If not, we must accept God as not omniscient and his human creations have freewill. I have decided to not accept God because I do not believe a God who can only exist under these two conditions does not exist. I have received numerous responses to this argument on another list. Virtually every one of them argues the same - and virtually every one does not take into account
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- I know what happened to her kidney! Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yes, and when she got home from the movies, she had a cocktail and woke up in a tub full of ice. Someone had written on the mirror "Call 911" in lipstick. When she called, they found out that one of her kidneys was stolen! She drove to the hospital to get help, but on the way she flashed her lights at a car, which turned out to be a signal to roving gangs who then shot her to death. It actually was a good thing since in her back seat was a man with an axe. A gas station attendant tried to warn her, but she didn't pay attention. I think this can all be traced back to that unfortunate incident in high school with the frozen hot dog. Or perhaps the incident with her cat, the tuna fish and her strange desires. Or even the time that her parents washed her hair with honey and maggots burrowed into her scalp. Or maybe.. -Original Message- From: Edward Britton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!! -Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was sent to me, and I know it is not impossible. When I was a young girl, they were doing similar things with needles, only it was to drug the girls and take them away for prostitution in hiding...so this could be possible. I thought that I would pass this message along ... THIS MESSAGE CAME FROM A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE AND I FEEL COMPELLED TO PASS IT ON TO YOU. (Forward to EVERYONE) INCIDENT AT THE MOVIE THEATER GOING TO A MOVIE PLEASE CHECK YOUR CHAIRS WHEN GOING TO THE MOVIE THEATERS An incident occurred when a friends CO-worker went to sit in a chair and something was poking her. She got up and found that it was a needle with a little note at the end. It said "Welcome to the real world, you're "HIV POSITIVE". Doctors tested the needle and it was "HIV POSITIVE" Be cautious when going to the movies...Please check and one the safest ways to check is moving the seat part way up down a few times and REALLY LOOK!!! but NOT sticking your hands between the seats. Most of us plop down in the seats. The following information was E-mailed to all employees of the Metro Police Dept. this morning 11/3/98. Pay telephones drug users are now taking their used needles and putting them into the coin return slots in public telephones. People are putting their fingers in to recover coin or just to check if anyone left change. They are getting stuck by these needles and infected with hepatitis, HIV and other diseases. This message is posted to make everyone aware of this danger. Be aware!!! The change isn't worth it! This information came straight from phone company workers, through the EMT instructor. Make sure you share this information with your family and any one else you can -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Beware of what you speak, for indeed the words we speak make shadows of what is to come, and by speaking them we bring them to pass...Taliesin..The Merlin of Britain... "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Richard B. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Stopforth, wrote: You're assuming we're wrong here... If you would like a rational argument email me with your thoughts on Christianity, I'd be glad to discuss it with you, or anyone. On a side note here, have you ever asked why it is we believe in the Biblical God? There are many lists and groups on AOL where you can go to discuss Christianity and the Biblical God. This is not one of them. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA146 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:38:57 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23387682 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15347 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP334.dialsprint.net [168.191.118.112]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06963; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:51:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01a) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:50:57 + Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy? Comments: To: "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie
-Caveat Lector- You most certainly have too much time on your hands. Johannes Schmidt wrote: -Caveat Lector- I rented the Mel Gibson flick Conspiracy Theory last week, and spent some time flashing frame by frame looking for subliminals and other tid bits. Heres what I found. The first and most obvious subliminal is the Warner Bros logo in the first few seconds of the film. This isn't a subliminal per se but it is there (I think) to let people know what to look out for. Theres a lot of product names flashed around in the film (moreso than normal films with 'product placement') The Best subliminal I found was in the scene where Gibson and Julia Roberts are talking at her apartment for a few minutes. There is a bowl of fruit directly in the foreground (I remember it was much clearer on the big screen). The bowl of fruit looks exactly like a male genitalia, and it is in the picture for at least a minute while they are talking. 1 hour and 35 minutes into the film, the letters N N or N I N are clearly visible on crates as they drive past. The letter N seems to show up a lot. Where Jerry goes into the Federal Building and looks at the board showing the tenants, the following motley assortment are shown: Department of the Air Force, Office of Special Investigations, Army Corps of Engineers, Central Intelligence Agency, Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Minority Business Development, FEMA, Federal Employees Assistance Program. Federal Executive Board, Federal Supply Service, Assistant Regional Administration, General Services Admin, Office of Regional Admin Office of Personell The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. The bus they meet on is a number 5. The SPace Shuttle (according to the article he clips) will be in orbit 23 days 16 hours with a crew of 5. The numbers 16 and 48 also are frequent. There seem to be some patterns ut i am unable to discern them. His taxi number IS48 Combination to his coffee 42312 Bus Number 1648 (5 also visible) Subway platforms: 4716 and 4717 Name on Taxi License: Kaffi Paloulian 4650217 ALice's Mobile no: 9179239597 Taxi ALice takes to confront Jonas: 3N23 Global Fund for Mergers and Aquisitions suite number: 1203 Office Number Alice calls on her mobile: 2125551257 (stored number #3) Fed Car at burst watermains 28073 Gerrys Union Pin number 107 There are also a few characters who reappear. The most obvious one is 'FLip', the newsagent/spy. Also note the old man in the bookstore who asks Gerry about the Catcher in the Rye is a security guard at the hospital he is held at near the end. There are probably others too. The newspapers Gerry clips state that: The item on the president to visit turkey: On the rest of the page is an incomplete article on GWS and Schwartzkopf claiming ignorance on why parts of his battle logs are missing. The orbituary for Harriman states he married Mellissa Garrison (any relation to Jim?). Anyway, if anyone can make any sense of any of the above, you probably need some time to relax! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA272 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:37:44 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23148424 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04530 for [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Richard B. Eric Roberts wrote: -Caveat Lector- June, I have a similar story. Got sick , I think it was a few weeks after getting a flu shot. Then we were informed that there was something wrong with the vaccine and that it didn't protect against one virulent strain of flu that was becoming common. I wouldn't get another one. Eric Roberts YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- Teo1000 wrote: Well, as regards this sickness. I am sick myself and it is most unusual. I am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in addition I got a flu shot around October of last year. The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before, it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc. Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one of them... I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA274 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 05:00:06 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- Bummer!! YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Source - Richard wrote: It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. No, it is notat least, that's not how it's marketed to the public, where those who are at greatest risk for respiratory infection are pressured into getting the shots. The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system. Didn't work in my case...not only did I get the worst case of flu I'd ever had in my whole life, but I continued to get very bad cases of flu every year thereafter, where before I'd only had maybe 3 or so bouts of flu in my life... And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune system... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA126 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:24:56 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 6:37:37 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23172849 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:36 -0500 Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12737 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (revcoal@localhost) by comet.connix.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA14816 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:37:35 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: 19990205092420507.AAA129@[195.62.206.59] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust
Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial...
-Caveat Lector- Profr. Jerome Steiner A. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Cris: God created the person. The Supreme Law of the land, created by persons, created the military. It is not for the clay to dictate to the potter. Only God has the legitimate right to take away life and man's well being. This is a fundamental God given right. The militay has NO, I'll repeat...NO, authority over our basic rights from God. Since, the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and it affirms these basic rights, even to be above our Constituion. Fundamental rights are not given by the Constitution, but, are "affirmed" for the politicians and bureaucrats to acknowledge, an eternal reminder. So, no government lackey and traitor nor military cyborg can dictate a sheople code of ignorance and injustice over his brother. No man can superimpose his will over another man's God given rights. There are no excuses. Period. These remain always with us. The Law of God being foremost; and the laws of man as instruments of man, not bludgeons. Liberty is not bought by any price, other than eternal vigilence...right down to the most basic principle of honor, love for our neighbor and respect for one's privilege of self righteousness before God's standard. Lest we forget: Proverb 29:2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." Proverb 29:12 "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked." If we cannot learn from wisdom and do not heed basic history lessons, as a nation we will perish from this earth. Self destruction is moving forward in the U.S. at light speed because we and our neighbors no longer reason and no more are we vigilent nor honorable. A nation which is ruled by a perverted coward and dismembers live, defenseless babies, is a far cry from honor. Give me the court martial, rather than "wimp out" capitulate. - above all - Give me liberty or give me death!...P. Henry My regards. jerome steiner allen Patriot, American Indian, Wounded Eagle, down homer and ordinary guy. That's a bit religious isn't it!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] KGBing the USA
-Caveat Lector- What is this in relationship to?? Eric Stewart wrote: -Caveat Lector- Why are you taking the prosecutors side in wanting to get rid of grand juries? == This is a research list and as such, I consider a vast majority of what I post on the list to be subject to examination by all on this list. I have had to post this disclaimer several times since joining this list and tire of it. -- Where did you get the information you are basing the above on? == The author's name is on the post. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA190 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:09:32 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:09 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23059087 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:09 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f57.hotmail.com [207.82.251.69]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29870 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21864 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 21:22:07 - Received: from 12.76.67.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:22:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.76.67.201] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:22:06 PST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Eric Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] KGBing the USA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fascism - The future of the New World
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The world is a crazy place folks (as i 'm sure everyone on this list agrees ;-) ) and it's easy to lock ourselves in our homes, sit at our computers (which are actually more powerful weapons than we think!!) and look to the past. It's time to look to the future and realise where we are heading. Richard B. Richard this was an excellent post! Some comments I would make are that it is ultimately unclear (at least in my mind) who really does run the show, whether it is the corporations or the politicians. The rise of corporatism and it's sublimation to fascistic agendas is very true and has been going on for some time now. Your comments vis a vis the third world are excellent observations of a principal that some will not see, and that is that fascism is not just a military dictatorship that one can hang ones hat of defiance upon, but instead it is in our lives every day when we eat a Chiquita banana, or buy some other corporate product. Corporations are promoting an agenda, just as you describe so very well, with their think tanks, and their advisory boards. I would like to illustrate one other thing and that is the UN and the IMF. The UN has as a matter of course many NGA (Non-Governmental Agencies) in attendance at meetings. These groups are probably dominated by corporations, there to promote their agenda. The IMF forces economic plans onto sovereign nations (really taking away their sovereignty in the bargain) that are devised by corporations and run by international bankers. Teo1000 Thanks Teo, it's nice to know i am not alone (may i also thank William Tunstall - most gracious). I do agree with your comments on the UN and the IMF to an extent and will make my case over the weekend. It is a difficult subject to resolve and much easier to come up with questions instead of realistic answers. It would be nice to hear from others on the lsit regarding this discussion. While still on the subject, we have an early example that shows exactly how corporate hegemony is to be exercised. One of the Candian Provinces (was it Ontario?) passed a "no fault" auto-insurance law: an extremely efficient and inexpensive way to deal with liability claims arising from car crashes. Under the NAFTA-like agreement between USA Canada, an American insurance company sued and succeeded in forcing Ontario to drop their legally adopted insurance scheme! The European Commission is similarly beginning to push its nose increasingly into what many would consider to be the "internal affairs" of European countries. Before anyone sends me flames minimizing the extent of such intrusions up tillnow, please note that these super-national structures are very much in "sales mode", and are therefore currently on "good behavior". When their power is consolidated -- for example when the European currency eventually 'kicks-in' -- and it's too late for nations to back out, then be prepared for a strong downward pressure on workers rights and progressive programs -- you can see the future, and it is the third world. The American Civil War shows what happens when states, which thought they had voluntarilty joined a federal union, try to withdraw. The Internet is a potentially powerful tool to help the people of the world understand the predicament they're in, by "going around" the mass media and the well-publicized pronouncments of the "spin-to-order" corporate "think tanks" (Personally, I think "policy bordello" is a more appropriate label than "think tank".) The net also has tremendous limitations and is imminently vulnerable to suppression, as we have seen recently in the USA, Denmark, Hong Kong, and Italy, and as S.314 and S.390 (!) forebodes for the future. I'm not one of those crypto-anarchists who sees networking as the "ultimate tool of democracy" -- those guys are living in a virtual-reality dream world. But, until we start making effective use of the Internet for democratic purposes, it's OURSELVES who are setting the limits -- not the authorities. After they kick us off the net, then we can blame THEM. Those of you barricaded in with your PGP arsenal might as well move to Waco and buy an AK-47, the two weapons and refuges will be equally useless in any real struggle. Everywhere capital is looking for new markets to develop, the US government has announced the "Discovery of Cyberspace": the latest "unoccupied" territory to be conquered and exploited. You have to admire their chutzpa, in openly publishing a "Magna Carta", which lays out how Cyberspace is to ceded to a new generation of Robber Barons, as insulated as possible from responsible public oversight. Thus the post-war corporate third-world paradigm finally sends its marines to the beachheads of Cyberspace. It may be time for us Internet natives to have an appropriate pow-wow before we, in our turn, are wiped out. Any CTRL suggestions ? Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- Do you REALLY write Frasier?? What happens to Daphne and Niles in the next series?? Brown, Jeremy wrote: This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. The complete text has been enclosed as a file. -Caveat Lector- You know, this whole thing takes me back to the time when I wrote "A Tale of Two Cities". It took quite a while to finish it, though, as I was busy with the Polio vaccine at the same time, as well as having just returned from walking on the moon. Of course, none of this compares to the work I had to do on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band". That George Martin is a real douchebag. Well, I'd love to keep talking about this, but I have to go and accept my Oscar for directing "Saving Private Ryan" and my emmy for my writing on "Frasier". Richard -Original Message- From: MARK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- Wrong, wrong, wrong, Again you are falsely claiming credit for which you should not. The leaflet "A Nation Under Threat" was in fact written by my Good Friend, Alison Stalegrey, and I am sure she will have no reason not to begin proceedings for you claiming her work as your own, (As you did with Francis Dunnery's excellent paper "Anti-Statism - more than a state of mind" back in 1993). I do not wish to get into a personal battle on this list, however, if you continue to claim the hard work of others as that of your own, measures will have to be taken. M.A.R.K. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 February 1999 16:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- M.A.R.K. again, in your desperation to make me look foolish, you trip and fall upon your own dagger. It was me who wrote the 1992 leaflet 'A Nation Under Threat', me who published it and me who distributed it. Please can you add something to the discussion, not try and take stuff away. Richard B. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Richard, how dare you claim these thoughts as your own, when they were published in the Anti-Fascist leaflet "A Nation Under Threat" freely available in the Tower Hamlets area since the BNP's horrendous increase in public awarenss. I agree unequivocally with these thoughts, however, how DARE YOU claim them as your own. You are a Charlatan and a Fraud. M.A.R.K. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 February 1999 14:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- What i find most interesting with this current debate is the distinct lack of knowledge being displayed across the CTRL community. In particular regarding the rise of fascism in Britain (i know for sure we have a large number of UK members on this list including the outspoken M.A.R.K. (psuedonym)). I beg of you all to read my comments (particularly Teo1000, flw, J2 and Alamaine). With the re-emergence of Fascist and far-right parties throughout Europe and America, especially during the 1980's, we have been alerted to the presence of Racist and Fascist beliefs in our own country. In September 1993, Derek Beackon of the Nazi British National Party was elected to a council seat in East London. Despite being defeated at the next election, he increased his vote by a third. It would be a mistake to think of Neo-Fascists as a bunch of skinhead thugs picking on ethnic groups that they see as lower than then on the social ladder. The traditional stereotype of Nazi 'thugs' does hold true for the majority, but their actions are often organised and directed by small cliques of, intelligent and systematic individuals. The Neo-Nazi revival is not just a mish-mash of 'fascist filth' and 'racist scum' (ANL newsletter, 1996), but a highly organised and well orchestrated attempt to sway majority opinion (take note Teo1000). How do Neo-Fascist organisations attempt to win over the public in a Britain that is greatly opposed to them? Firstly, and most importantly, by not appearing to be Nazi in origin (unlike M.A.R.Ks ridiculous suggestion last week!!). In 1967, in a letter to William Pierce of the American Nazi Party, John Tyndall, then leader of the National Front said that: "The NF could not be openly Nazi because it would be stuck in the mire of the Second World War and the death camps". He went on to say how he had not abandoned his faith in Hitler or the Swastika, but the British public were not prepared to accept
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- What i find most interesting with this current debate is the distinct lack of knowledge being displayed across the CTRL community. In particular regarding the rise of fascism in Britain (i know for sure we have a large number of UK members on this list including the outspoken M.A.R.K. (psuedonym)). I beg of you all to read my comments (particularly Teo1000, flw, J2 and Alamaine). With the re-emergence of Fascist and far-right parties throughout Europe and America, especially during the 1980's, we have been alerted to the presence of Racist and Fascist beliefs in our own country. In September 1993, Derek Beackon of the Nazi British National Party was elected to a council seat in East London. Despite being defeated at the next election, he increased his vote by a third. It would be a mistake to think of Neo-Fascists as a bunch of skinhead thugs picking on ethnic groups that they see as lower than then on the social ladder. The traditional stereotype of Nazi 'thugs' does hold true for the majority, but their actions are often organised and directed by small cliques of, intelligent and systematic individuals. The Neo-Nazi revival is not just a mish-mash of 'fascist filth' and 'racist scum' (ANL newsletter, 1996), but a highly organised and well orchestrated attempt to sway majority opinion (take note Teo1000). How do Neo-Fascist organisations attempt to win over the public in a Britain that is greatly opposed to them? Firstly, and most importantly, by not appearing to be Nazi in origin (unlike M.A.R.Ks ridiculous suggestion last week!!). In 1967, in a letter to William Pierce of the American Nazi Party, John Tyndall, then leader of the National Front said that: "The NF could not be openly Nazi because it would be stuck in the mire of the Second World War and the death camps". He went on to say how he had not abandoned his faith in Hitler or the Swastika, but the British public were not prepared to accept open Nazism yet; so the NF must "hide behind the Union Jack and phoney patriotic jargon until the time was ripe to go public with a mass Nazi movement" (John Tyndall quoted in Gable, 1991). Obviously, Tyndall was aware of the Zietgeist (The overall direction of social norms) in Britain at the time and realised that declaring themselves to be openly Nazi, would do more harm to their cause than good. Around that time, members of the NF stopped using the obviously Nazi sun-wheel symbol, and adopted the Union Jack as their most prominent badge. Various Nazi organisations throughout Europe have begun in this manner, using patriotism to get a foot in the door whilst maintaining good relations with other secretly, or openly, Nazi groups at home or abroad. We can see evident in the behaviour of neo-fascist outfits at least three of the four behavioural styles proposed by Moscovici (1976). The first two are Consistancy and Rigidity. A minority that remains consistant in it's argument is more likely to influence a majority, than one that is inconsistant. The Neo-Fascists remain undaunted in their convictions that events such as the holocaust did not happen, their racist views and especially their anti-Semitism have lead Nazi Revisionists such as David Irving, for who the BNP supply 'bodyguards', to publish articles and books in an attempt to rewrite a history that is against them. In BNP literature a study by none other than Hans Eysenck that appears to support the belief that whites are more intelligent than blacks, is constantly referred to without reference to criticisms of Eysencks methodology, or reference to counter-arguments or alternative interpretations of the data. Labov's (1970) study into 'Black English' is a good example of how scientists can interpret data incorrectly. Labov (1970) and Stewart (1970) both pointed out that many Afro-Americans speak a grammatically different form of English. Since IQ tests are administered in Standard English, the lower scores of Afro-Americans (which could be perceived as due to lower intelligence) are probably due to their different dialect. There are far more general arguments, especially in recent years, rejecting the validity of IQ tests and other psychometric testing altogether. Some psychologists, such as Gardener (1983), with his theory of multiple intelligence suggests that poor performance on IQ tests could merely signify the absence or presence of specific types of intelligence. Also, interpretations of intelligence test results are now considered relative to specific cultural context. Native Americans and Indians place greater importance on certainty, and would rather answer 'I don't know' or 'I'm not sure' to a question if they are not absolutely certain of the answer. In Western culture, we are more likely to 'have a guess' (Sinha 1983, Triandis 1989). However, your average Neo-Fascist won't give two hoots about scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief. The ideology comes first and the Neo-Fascist looks for
Re: [CTRL] Anti-Statism (set of ideas) Heh heh
-Caveat Lector- Again, the lack of knowledge on this list astonishes me. None of you can manage to get a grip on what a Libertarian actually is!! It is sometimes hard for non-libertarians to understand why libertarians feel the way they do. Perhaps this parallel between libertarians and vegetarians will help. There are many different reasons for being a vegetarian. Some are vegetarians because they believe it is healthy, or inexpensive, or that it conserves natural resources. Consider those who are vegetarians because they don't want to be guilty of killing animals. They don't have to watch the animals struggle, hear their screams, or see their blood flow to know that to put meat on their plate an animal had to die. It doesn't help to tell them the deaths are painless or that the animals were bred and raised only for meat. To them it is still killing and they want no part of it. They are fortunate to live in an age when they can avoid it and maintain a normal life style. A hundred years ago those who refused to wear leather shoes probably went barefoot. They realize that they are a small minority and most people don't share their feeling. Some practice their vegetarianism quietly while some argue and march to convince people that it's just plain wrong to kill animals. There are many different reasons for being a libertarian. Some are libertarians because they dislike being told what to do, or think that politicians are crooks, or appreciate the wonders of a free market. Consider those who are libertarians because they don't want to be guilty of threatening violence to humans. They don't have to see the people rotting in jail for victimless crimes, or feel the hard choices between health, safety, and paying taxes. They know that behind every regulation or tax there is the threat of violence or even death for disobedience. It doesn't help to tell them that most taxes are painless or that the majority voted to give their power to the government. To them it is still threatening violence and they want no part of it. They are unfortunate to live in an age when they cannot avoid it an maintain a normal life style. Those who refuse to travel on government built roads are immobilized. They realize that they are a small minority and most people don't share their feeling. Some quietly practice their libertarianism while some argue and march to convince people that it's just plain wrong to threaten violence to humans. Richard B. J FROST wrote: -Caveat Lector- Of course, NO ONE can represent everybody and NO ONE should be faulted for not being omnipotent in this manner. Libertarians CAN represent a set of ideals though and those ideals are the issues to be looked at when determining whether or not they are right for you. == Liberterians CAN represent a set of ideas Nazis CAN represent a set of ideas It is not "ideas" that political parties "represent" It is LAWS politicial parties FORCE on the people. They don't say "imagine" ... "think about it"... Their only purpose is to IMPOSE SOMEONE'S WILL/AGENDA on everyone else with the choice to OBEY OR BE TRACKED DOWN, KNOCKED DOWN ARRESTED, TRIED, IMPRISONED OR KILLED. *** The only "ideas" that politicians communicate are do what we demand or we will take your money and slam your ass in prison. The question is Who's Ideas get represented in the end results? #1 The Ideas of Some minority. #2 The Ideas of The majority through direct democracy #3 The Ideas of the majority through an indirect democracy (republic) #4 The "IDEAS"/agendas of the Liberterians/politicians just like in any other dictatorship #5 The Ideas of those who bribe the politicians. Tell me who's IDEAS / AGENDAS / WILL do Liberterians represent? Don't give me a bunch of blabber, just tell me which segment of society 1 2 3 4 5 that Liberterians represent? . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- M.A.R.K. again, in your desperation to make me look foolish, you trip and fall upon your own dagger. It was me who wrote the 1992 leaflet 'A Nation Under Threat', me who published it and me who distributed it. Please can you add something to the discussion, not try and take stuff away. Richard B. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Richard, how dare you claim these thoughts as your own, when they were published in the Anti-Fascist leaflet "A Nation Under Threat" freely available in the Tower Hamlets area since the BNP's horrendous increase in public awarenss. I agree unequivocally with these thoughts, however, how DARE YOU claim them as your own. You are a Charlatan and a Fraud. M.A.R.K. -Original Message----- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 February 1999 14:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- What i find most interesting with this current debate is the distinct lack of knowledge being displayed across the CTRL community. In particular regarding the rise of fascism in Britain (i know for sure we have a large number of UK members on this list including the outspoken M.A.R.K. (psuedonym)). I beg of you all to read my comments (particularly Teo1000, flw, J2 and Alamaine). With the re-emergence of Fascist and far-right parties throughout Europe and America, especially during the 1980's, we have been alerted to the presence of Racist and Fascist beliefs in our own country. In September 1993, Derek Beackon of the Nazi British National Party was elected to a council seat in East London. Despite being defeated at the next election, he increased his vote by a third. It would be a mistake to think of Neo-Fascists as a bunch of skinhead thugs picking on ethnic groups that they see as lower than then on the social ladder. The traditional stereotype of Nazi 'thugs' does hold true for the majority, but their actions are often organised and directed by small cliques of, intelligent and systematic individuals. The Neo-Nazi revival is not just a mish-mash of 'fascist filth' and 'racist scum' (ANL newsletter, 1996), but a highly organised and well orchestrated attempt to sway majority opinion (take note Teo1000). How do Neo-Fascist organisations attempt to win over the public in a Britain that is greatly opposed to them? Firstly, and most importantly, by not appearing to be Nazi in origin (unlike M.A.R.Ks ridiculous suggestion last week!!). In 1967, in a letter to William Pierce of the American Nazi Party, John Tyndall, then leader of the National Front said that: "The NF could not be openly Nazi because it would be stuck in the mire of the Second World War and the death camps". He went on to say how he had not abandoned his faith in Hitler or the Swastika, but the British public were not prepared to accept open Nazism yet; so the NF must "hide behind the Union Jack and phoney patriotic jargon until the time was ripe to go public with a mass Nazi movement" (John Tyndall quoted in Gable, 1991). Obviously, Tyndall was aware of the Zietgeist (The overall direction of social norms) in Britain at the time and realised that declaring themselves to be openly Nazi, would do more harm to their cause than good. Around that time, members of the NF stopped using the obviously Nazi sun-wheel symbol, and adopted the Union Jack as their most prominent badge. Various Nazi organisations throughout Europe have begun in this manner, using patriotism to get a foot in the door whilst maintaining good relations with other secretly, or openly, Nazi groups at home or abroad. We can see evident in the behaviour of neo-fascist outfits at least three of the four behavioural styles proposed by Moscovici (1976). The first two are Consistancy and Rigidity. A minority that remains consistant in it's argument is more likely to influence a majority, than one that is inconsistant. The Neo-Fascists remain undaunted in their convictions that events such as the holocaust did not happen, their racist views and especially their anti-Semitism have lead Nazi Revisionists such as David Irving, for who the BNP supply 'bodyguards', to publish articles and books in an attempt to rewrite a history that is against them. In BNP literature a study by none other than Hans Eysenck that appears to support the belief that whites are more intelligent than blacks, is constantly referred to without reference to criticisms of Eysencks methodology, or reference to counter-arguments or alternative interpretations of the data. Labov's (1970) study into 'Black English' is a good example of how scientists can interpret data incorrectly. Labov (1970) and Stewart (1970) both pointed out that many Afro-Americans speak a grammatically different form of English. Since IQ tests are administered in Standard English, the lower s
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- Pure fluff and twaddle. MARK wrote: This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. The complete text has been enclosed as a file. -Caveat Lector- Wrong, wrong, wrong, Again you are falsely claiming credit for which you should not. The leaflet "A Nation Under Threat" was in fact written by my Good Friend, Alison Stalegrey, and I am sure she will have no reason not to begin proceedings for you claiming her work as your own, (As you did with Francis Dunnery's excellent paper "Anti-Statism - more than a state of mind" back in 1993). I do not wish to get into a personal battle on this list, however, if you continue to claim the hard work of others as that of your own, measures will have to be taken. M.A.R.K. -Original Message----- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 February 1999 16:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- M.A.R.K. again, in your desperation to make me look foolish, you trip and fall upon your own dagger. It was me who wrote the 1992 leaflet 'A Nation Under Threat', me who published it and me who distributed it. Please can you add something to the discussion, not try and take stuff away. Richard B. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Richard, how dare you claim these thoughts as your own, when they were published in the Anti-Fascist leaflet "A Nation Under Threat" freely available in the Tower Hamlets area since the BNP's horrendous increase in public awarenss. I agree unequivocally with these thoughts, however, how DARE YOU claim them as your own. You are a Charlatan and a Fraud. M.A.R.K. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 February 1999 14:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order -Caveat Lector- What i find most interesting with this current debate is the distinct lack of knowledge being displayed across the CTRL community. In particular regarding the rise of fascism in Britain (i know for sure we have a large number of UK members on this list including the outspoken M.A.R.K. (psuedonym)). I beg of you all to read my comments (particularly Teo1000, flw, J2 and Alamaine). With the re-emergence of Fascist and far-right parties throughout Europe and America, especially during the 1980's, we have been alerted to the presence of Racist and Fascist beliefs in our own country. In September 1993, Derek Beackon of the Nazi British National Party was elected to a council seat in East London. Despite being defeated at the next election, he increased his vote by a third. It would be a mistake to think of Neo-Fascists as a bunch of skinhead thugs picking on ethnic groups that they see as lower than then on the social ladder. The traditional stereotype of Nazi 'thugs' does hold true for the majority, but their actions are often organised and directed by small cliques of, intelligent and systematic individuals. The Neo-Nazi revival is not just a mish-mash of 'fascist filth' and 'racist scum' (ANL newsletter, 1996), but a highly organised and well orchestrated attempt to sway majority opinion (take note Teo1000). How do Neo-Fascist organisations attempt to win over the public in a Britain that is greatly opposed to them? Firstly, and most importantly, by not appearing to be Nazi in origin (unlike M.A.R.Ks ridiculous suggestion last week!!). In 1967, in a letter to William Pierce of the American Nazi Party, John Tyndall, then leader of the National Front said that: "The NF could not be openly Nazi because it would be stuck in the mire of the Second World War and the death camps". He went on to say how he had not abandoned his faith in Hitler or the Swastika, but the British public were not prepared to accept open Nazism yet; so the NF must "hide behind the Union Jack and phoney patriotic jargon until the time was ripe to go public with a mass Nazi movement" (John Tyndall quoted in Gable, 1991). Obviously, Tyndall was aware of the Zietgeist (The overall direction of social norms) in Britain at the time and realised that declaring themselves to be openly Nazi, would do more harm to their cause than good. Around that time, members of the NF stopped using the obviously Nazi sun-wheel symbol, and adopted the Union Jack as their most prominent badge. Various Nazi organisations throughout Europe have begun in this manner, using patriotism to get a foot in the door whilst maintaining good relations with other secretly, or openly, Nazi groups at home or abroad. We can see evident in the behaviour of neo-fascist outfits at least three of the four behavioural styles proposed by Moscovici (1976). The first two are Consistancy and Rig
Re: [CTRL] Test
-Caveat Lector- Test OK Teo1000 wrote: -Caveat Lector- Test DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA233 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:14:14 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:26:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 22680881 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:26:54 -0500 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mail.aol.com [172.31.32.131]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01425 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WKDUa07017 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:19:52 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:19:52 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Test To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ENVIROS
-Caveat Lector- Howard R. Davis III wrote: So, finally someone who agrees with me that the world is not overpopulated! Though I hadn't thought that with a population of some 3 billion we were on the verge of extinction. Of course, with the decreasing birth rates in Europe and America perhaps you may have a point. Do you recommend the banning of birth control and abortion to solve this problem? I recommend as much sex as possible ;-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader
-Caveat Lector- Yes, but he did eat sprouts. Teo1000 wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/27/99 1:22:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Candidate C: is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any illicit affairs. Hitler was not a vegetarian. This is mere urban legend. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader
-Caveat Lector- I like urinating on the Avon lady. Does this mean i have Nazi tendencies?? MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Avon Brown Not Eva Braun? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 28 January 1999 07:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader -Caveat Lector- Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great leader. He took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into a superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for him. PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated on her. Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA275 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:29:19 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:41:16 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 22593576 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:41:16 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04945 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26758 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1999 16:40:43 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 16:40:43 - Received: (qmail 16426 invoked from network); 28 Jan 1999 16:33:15 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 1999 16:33:15 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id DVLKVB1A; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:26:22 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011397@SERVERA Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:26:20 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector-
Now as far as Slaves and Blacks we have had this here before too. Look
up
the history of the KKK. Started at a University and continued as a
way to
keep businesses from bringing in Blacks as strike breakers. If you
find
more please list the book or URL.
Are you saying that the KKK "started at a university?" You have blasted
me for
failure to document statements... I'd really like to see your
documentation that
the KKK started at a university. Same for your contention that it
"continued as a
way to keep businesses from bringing in blacks as strike breakers."
Here, for you enlightenment and entertainment, is where and when the KKK
was
organized:
On December 24, 1865, at Pulaski, Tennessee, in a small brick building
housing the
law offices of Judge Thomas Jones, six young veterans of the Confederate
Army
met. The last I heard, the office is still there, and marked with a
plaque.
While discussing "old army times," one of them said, "Lets start a club
of some
kind," and they talked about what it would be called, what activities
they would
do, and so forth. They didn't conclude anything that night, but had an
organizational meeting a few days later.. Attending were Capt. John
Kennedy ("B"
not "F"), Frank McCord, Calvin Jones, John Lester, Richard Reed, and
James Crow.
This information has been available for many years, and I've seen it in
several
books, including the biography, "Nathan Bedford Forrest" by Jack Hurst.
Now, I am becoming a bit short of tolerance for people who accuse me of
things
which are not true, while their condemnation should rightfully fall upon
their own
shoulders... In the future, either document what you say, or stop
insisting that
others do what you fail to do yourself.
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Re: [CTRL] An Oliver Stone Production
-Caveat Lector- Are we allowed to use the words 'Oliver' and 'Stone' on this mailing list?? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- I agree. Freedom of speach is a supposed "right" in the Western world, however, this list can operate without offensive and racial remarks from the like of "Hawk". You are so right. He had his chance, and he blew it. This reminds of something Robert De Niro once said. He said 'You blew it'. See how similar this is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 January 1999 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Racists . . . -Caveat Lector- Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA245 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:21:22 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:52 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21859544 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17858 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31559 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 16:34:21 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 16:34:21 - Received: (qmail 21449 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 16:27:55 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 16:27:55 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id C5847GVQ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 04:22:52 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA701136B@SERVERA Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 04:22:50 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Racists . . . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange
Re: [CTRL] American Tabloid
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: I guarantee, that this piece of fiction (?) will take you down new avenues of thought. This book is one of the most powerful, and un-putdownable books that I have ever read. I am British, and I found it eye-opening, so I can only wonder how you Yanks will find it. They won't get it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Persinger responds to mind-control allegations
-Caveat Lector- M.A.R.K (psuedonym), following our recent private correspondence, i feel i should now bring this into the open. What are your TRUE motives for being on this list?? MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- I just received this from Mindcontrol-l, interesting huh? -Original Message- From: Wes Thomas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 January 1999 20:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MC] Persinger responds to mind-control allegations Following is a response from Dr. Michael Persinger to a message I sent him. I asked him: "Some have stated on the lists that your research has been used for non-consensual mind-control experimentation and that calls into question your integrity. I'd like to offer you an opportunity to respond to that and perhaps clarify your role, if any, in mind control research." I sent this message in response to Gordon Tibbles' [EMAIL PROTECTED] post 27 Dec 1998: "I find it rather offensive that anyone of integrity would quote Persinger on anything, unless using his research to point out the inconsistencies in the man's ethics." I also copied a thread on Earth frequencies and asked Persinger to comment on their possible bioactive effects. His response: Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: answer to your email 6 January, 1999 Mr. Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr. Thomas: Thank you for the e-mail of 29 December, 1998 regarding the evolving technology of electromagnetic field effects upon cognition. My students and I wonder why the myths and irresponsible speculations (e.g, Doc Hambone) [http://www.io.com/~hambone/web/persinger.html - WT] about me and our research appear to propagate so easily and without challenge. I would be happy to answer your inquiries. You may also wish to access our WEB page (Behavioral Neuroscience Research Group, Laurentian University). The address is www.laurentian.ca/www/neurosci/lindex.html. 1. I am not involved nor have I ever been involved in any "mind control" studies. All of our research involves protocols that have been approved by Ethics Committees and requires the signed consent of the participant. Our research indicates that although experiences can be affected by applied complex magnetic fields, there is no evidence that specific thoughts can be "controlled". From a quantitative context, the most powerful form of "mind control" is the limited access to data and information. The range of ideas that a person is allowed to express and the types of data that a person is allowed to view are limited significantly by the constraints of the communication media and what is considered acceptable or not acceptable by the powerful groups within the persons' culture. 2. My research has not been "funded by U.S. interests". All of the money for our human research for the last 30 years has been from my personal income as a professor. The only funding ($10,000) we ever obtained from the U.S. was from the U.S. Navy, thanks to Eldon Byrd, to evaluate the effects of 0.5 Hz rotating magnetic fields upon the degranulation of mast cells in the rat brain. The effect was small but statistically significant. Traditional sources of funding, especially the Canadian Research Agencies such as NSERC, have ignored or trivialized our requests to study these important problems. My laboratories have been graciously supplied by Laurentian University and the work has been completed by dedicated and interested graduate and undergraduate students. 3. In order to minimize the potential inappropriate application of our discoveries we publish our work within the public domain, i.e., scientific journals. The history of science has shown that protection of the public requires free access to data. 4. In principle and from the perspective of our empirical observations, derived from about 1000 subjects tested during the last 15 years, there is evidence that complex, weak magnetic fields can evoke specific experiences. The type of experience is related in general to the temporal pattern or "time signatures" of the field and the cerebral hemisphere to which it is applied. When the fields are applied to the right hemisphere (particularly the parietal/temporal regions) the most typical experience is that of a sensed presence, or entity. We hypothesize that this presence, which is extremely common historically and cross-culturally, is the awareness of the right hemispheric equivalent of the left hemispheric (linguistic) sense of self. We also suspect that the presence is the prototype to religious/mystical experiences. The details of the experience are strongly determined by the person's beliefs which are supplied by the culture. We hypothesize that UFO or extraterrestrial visitation experiences--and the many variants
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- You never show what you are replying to . Duh!!! Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ditto, or, ruff-ruff. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAB273 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:18:24 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:29 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21157938 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.8]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16122 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RAZPa20555 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Harry. Hope your listening M.A.R.K (pseudonym) and anyone else who suffers from this bizarre scenario. Harry Hendrickson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hello Richard, Suggest you purchase top of the line anti-virus program now before the higher functions of your system come crashing down as well. I have a moderately well designed system but I will be installing the best anti-virus system I can afford. Too much at stake to lose my hard drive at this juncture ! Ask some of the "computer kids" out here what they would suggest. I may listen in myself. Good luckharry -- From: Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] External Forces Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:27 AM -Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial a
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on but he does not deserve throwing off, he was simply defending his views. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA112 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:45:00 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21199784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 Þ listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06667 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVYMa00808 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +1900 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Hawk et al To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code
-Caveat Lector- Charles, i understand the list is full of pointless BS at the minute, but regarding the 'turds' you mention. I was actually in the middle of a discussion with soemone about The Bible Codes so please stop jumping to conclusions. Thank you. EASTERISLE wrote: -Caveat Lector- The shit is clearly connected and thus amounts to a great deal. If you guys want to talk about whether or not your turds are connected, please do it on your own time. Let's try to steer things back on track a bit here. Discussion of serious issues is always needed, but the signal:noise ratio on this list has been getting a bit out of hand lately. re: the Bible Code, there's a ParaScope article that may be of interest; the URL is http://www.parascope.com/articles/0697/bibcode.htm. The article is a bit dated, but it gives a broad overview of the "Bible Code" controversy and raises various points of contention regarding the "accuracy" of Drosnin's purported discovery. Peace out, Charles DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAB298 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:04:08 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:16:11 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21072347 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:16:11 -0500 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07806 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CFBKa05501 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:27 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- fish. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- My vote is for surrealism.which is the system we seem to be living under. And may explain my general state of contentment, in spite of what many might consider flaws and lacks in my current lifestyle. My giraffe is having a ball. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAC241 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:10:50 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 0:22:38 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21117251 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:22:38 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29868 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP284.dialsprint.net [168.191.118.86]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05008 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:22:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:20:53 + Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code
-Caveat Lector- Has anyone read 'The Bible Code' by Michael Drosnin?? Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The level of chattiness and civility are getting quit
-Caveat Lector- Here, here. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, Now, I know some of us are having a good time , some just bearable and many are wishing a few of you would kindly just shut your yaps. Now, iff'n and when there is a break in the icy grip of the cryptocracy on our high government, financial, media and military officials maybe we can all sit around the table and discuss the various highfaluting schemes devised in the minds of 'men' to take care of their 'ideals'. but untill then, PLEASE, let us focus on the subject at hand. OUR bickering about BS is the cryptocracy's cup o' tea. The Constitution and our kids. What are we going to let them deal with? The corruption is not because of conservatives or liberals or this or that. It is because of concerted effort to, at all times and in all ways hoodwink populations for GENERATIONS! We still have a republic on paper, and if it ain't; aint nobody told the people. And that will be an interesting day. And if the crytocracy ain't 'together' enough to pull of the 'velvet glove' and wield the 'iron hand', the critical mass IS NOT in their favour. The net is busting the media and is gonna challenge 'their' hold on 'money'. The Culture is STEAMROLLING BEYOND. We 'live' in whatever we as citizens can take-back from the delusional world created by our corporate masters -shhh- remember the perfect slave thinks he is free. Just go back to sleep, don't pay attention to the man behind the curtainbut you will do exactly as he says . . . "There is no way to delay, that trouble coming every day. "Play your harmonica, son." Frank Zappa Ah, yes back to the subject at hand, the subject at hand . . . PLEASE this isn't a debating list this is a discussion list. The discussion is not political theory but CONSPIRACY theory. Let us all please, lighten-up, take the damn chips off our shoulders and be responsible mebers of this community. We can setup a ctrl chat list , if people so desire. but for now PLEASE let us take it off this list. AND if we spot a factual error or error of judgement, PLEASE be civil in ones way of communicated your OPINIONS. FACTS can be sometimes very relative creatures. So if my invoke the MIGHTY powers of my martydom as LIST owner and MODERATOR - "Stuff it , Edith." Archie Bunker Ok, ha, ha. Seriously , please folks, let's discuss conspiracy theory and leave the political debates somewhere else. Onwards to the utmost of futures. Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA274 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:21:42 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 2:33:00 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21041904 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:32:59 -0500 Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mail.aol.com [172.31.32.133]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25684 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PABAa15297 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:32:25 -0500 (EST) 7 Jan 1999 02:32: Jan 1999 02:32:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X- ailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 133]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25684 f CAA25685 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:32:25 EST Reply-To:
Re: [CTRL] Paranoia Mind control
-Caveat Lector- Can you forward this article?? Jesse M Dolan wrote: -Caveat Lector- Anyone else read the article in Paranoia issue 19 about Robert Naeslund and his numerous brain implants? I read it and was shocked that things like that happen to civilians with no criminal history. I guess I forgot that I am living in a police-state world... Jesse Dolan Insane Hippie www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954/index.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA274 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 04:18:05 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:29:21 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21026740 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:29:21 -0500 Received: from m4.jersey.juno.com (m4.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.61]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17854 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by m4.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id DYB43U9G; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 22:59:51 EST References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5-11 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:59:51 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jesse M Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Paranoia Mind control To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Revised Film List
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, i don't think you have enough videos!!! Harry Hendrickson wrote: This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. The complete text has been enclosed as a file. -Caveat Lector- The following videos can be obtained for trading one for one, or something agreeable to both parties. E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. American perspective-- Jeff Baker 2. Day 51 (Waco)--UTV 3. Waco/Oklahoma City Connection--Brubaker, GNBN 4. Overview of our world and one dozen candles-- J. McManus/J.Birch 5. Death of Vince Foster--Citizens for Honest Government 6. Clinton Chronicles--Citizens for Honest Government 7. Waco, The Big Lie, part one-Linda Thompson 8. Waco, The Big Lie, part two-Linda Thompson 9.Helicopter attack (black halo fire bombs Dallas home whose home heads up impeachment movement which has 12 million signatures ) 10. America under siege--Linda Thompson 11. The Panama Deception--Empowerment 12. Home video of Branch Davideans 13. Freemasonry/from darkness to light--Jeremiah films 14. Gay agenda in public education- Important!!! see tape # 205 (sexually explicit material) 15. Satin is idolatry--John Weaver 16. Slave mentality--John Weaver 17. Watchman--John Lewis 18. Christian and Civil law--John Weaver and Jim Grove 19. Violence in rock music--Benoit 20. Satanism in rock music--Benoit 21. Aids and what you havent been told--Jeremiah films 22. Hard truth ( explicit material ) 9 minute abortion video 23. Gay agenda exposed ( sexually explicit material )important!!!-see tape # 205 24. Concentration camps in America--Texe Marrs 25. Fascist terror stalking America--Texe Marrs 26. Treaty from hell--Texe Marrs 27. The bomb in Oklahoma--Star investigative reports 28. Reichstag: an American holocaust, pretext for tyranny 29. Americas secret destiny--Ralph Epperson 30. U.S.S. Liberty survivors, our story--Silgo productions 31. Atrocities at Ruby Ridge-R. Weaver story--KPOC-TV 32. L. A. Lawman, fully informed jury--Proclaim liberty Min. 33. Mena connection(Arkansas drug traffic)--for the people 34. Death and taxes(Gordon Kahl)--Country people productions 35. The two Kennedys European prod. ( banned 76-92 in U.S.) 36. Seven days in May(Hollywood production asking when is a traitor not a traitor) 37. Taking back our country--Gunderson/Koernke (Oklahoma City bombing ) 38. Oklahoma City, 6 pack ( the bombing, a closer look )--for the people 39. Breaking the law in the name of the law--Proclaim liberty Min. 40. The mark of the new world--Mark V prod. 41. Americas back to God--Liberty Alliance, Jerry Falwell 42. Janet - Reno--Jack Thompson at unregistered church convention 43. Waco incident--KPOC-TV 44. Ruby creek massacre 45. The pestilence ( aids ) Global 2000 46. Anguish in Oklahoma(actual live feeds recorded off CNN--A.Sgarlatte production ( paperwork shows actual seismograph surface readings of 2 blasts ) 47. Waco: Triumph or treason--Jeff Baker 48. Government gone mad--Jeff Baker 49. The Crash: The coming economic crash--Jeremiah films 50. Is Caesar sovereign over church? 51. C-span coverage of senate subcommittee on militia 52. Amerika the movie ( eleven hours in length ) 53. War powers act ( see also # 186 ) 54. The secrets of the federal reserve 55. The new world order/ big business-big banking-big government 56. A nation betrayed-lets take America back--Bo Gritz 57. Challenging the holocaust museum 58. Out based education debate- Elizabeth Town College 59. Murder by injection 60. Questions and answers--Linda Thompson on Waco 61. NAFTA/ treaty or treason? 62. Satans new age plan for a new world order 63. The birth of a nation ( made in 1915 ) 64. GATT/ friend or foe? 65. Keys to good government and foundation of American government 66. The house of Rothchild 67. Big sister is Hillary Hellcats 68. The new money system-global 2000 69. On masters of America 70. The Gulf war overview 71. Clinton-the next four years 72. Mysterious monuments to the beast 73. The spirit of American revolution 74. Education and the founding fathers 75. A call to arms 76. Alien encounters?-UFO phenomenon 77. Alien autopsy?(Roswell, New Mexico ) 78. Hoaglands Mars- NASA Cydonia briefings 79. Flying saucers are real 80. UFOS The best evidence-tape 1-the visitor 81. UFOS The best evidence-tape 2-strange encounters 82. UFOS The best evidence-tape 3-Government cover-up 83. Are we alone in the universe? 84. The Montel Williams show challenging the holocaust 85. John the Baptist Lewis ACNC conference 86. Heirs of the promise- the lost tribes 87. The other Israel 88. UFO update- fall of 1995- for the people network 89. Battle preparations now-- Mark Koernke 90. A Christian manifesto 91. An American patriot in the kings court 92. Whats happening to America ?--John the Baptist 93. Bloodstained hands of big brother--Texe Marrs 94. The constitution of the United States of America 95. Americas Godly heritage 96. Sheriff Richard Mack-Florida const. Rest. Rally 97. Capitalist conspiracy 98.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Revised Film List
-Caveat Lector-
Just a few points.
* Edward Scissorhands is directed by Tim Burton not David Lynch.
* One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest was released in 1975 not the 60's.
* Rocky Horror Picture Show - er, who's Tim Briggs. Tim Curry is in it
though.
* JFK - I love the way you put 'Oliver Stone directs'. Says it all
really.
* Sybil - Stars Sally Field
* Conspiracy Theory - this was released in 1997.
* How about Enemy Of The State?
There is loads more stuff. Some of the storylines are very misleading
etc. but i cannot be bothered to do anymore.
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Listers: Recent films mentioned on list lead me to send this article on
to you. This is a bit revised and includes a few more films -- below is
a list of films on conspiracy, mind control, and ritual abuse topics
to rent. My best, Judith
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SELECTED AND ANNOTATED FILM LIST
CONSPIRACY AND MIND CONTROL FILMS
By Judith ABR
c [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1998
I now have a growing list of 68 conspiracy and mind control films, from
the early part of film history to the present, which people have
recommend to me and which I have viewed. All these selections, with the
exception of some historical foreign films, are available for rent at
your local video store. Email me with any further suggestions.
There are three distinct themes categorically represented on this list:
1) ritual abuse cult films, 2) government - secret political
conspiracies, 3) believable alien-hyrid abduction movies. Inclusion on
the list was based upon the following factors: 1) revelance to
conspiracy themes with plenty of information for researchers and depth
of storyline (preferably dramas) and 2) exceptionally well done screen
plays, cinematography, acting. Comments are welcome. Judith
CATEGORICAL AND ALPHABETICAL ORDER (at some point this list will be in
numerical order according to year of film production):
I. POLITICAL/ECONOMIC CONSPIRACIES:
1. The Agency ("about the use of sublimineals in television
advertisting to influence public behavior and political clout, Robert
Mitchum stars").
2. All the President's Men (Watergate film, "terror in our nation's
capitol during that long night when an aspiring fascist regine held our
democracy under siege." Frank Rich, NY Post.
3. Amerika (about an endangered Constitution and supports militia
concerns about the loss of freedom to covert agencies).
4. Blowup (David Hemmings -- UK star and film, that agent-looking
blonde guy, one of the first efforts about the use of high tech
surveillance devices used by govt in England, 1960s work utilizes siren
signals, people hiding and being stalked, obviously planned car
accidents, etc. c. 1968).
5. Brainstorm (C. Walken stars, this was Natalie Wood's last film
before she died).
6. Chinatown (J. Nicholson, F. Dunaway - cult classic, 1968).
7. Closetland (Amnesty International film).
8. Conspiracy Theory (Mel Gibson, Julia Roberts, Patrick Steward,
1998).
9. Crime Story (along with Miami Vice episodes on TV).
10. Dark Skies (NBC-TV series).
11. Diamonds Are Forever (plus other Bond films which are "rich in
conspiracy fact/in-jokes.")
12. The Game (M. Douglas film, this is a honey, at the center of a
highly successful career as an international investment banker -- as in
the Federal Reserve with multi-millions to juggle -- evidently he
championed a disliked merger -- someone lost money and Douglas' brother
set him up for cult or govt abductions -- he becomes stalked,
continually assaulted and demeaned with accidents, followed, taunted
about stepping into an "abyss" by people who re-appear in his life as
perps, etc., winding up homeless in Mexico and on the brink of ruin, he
ends up in a great finale, falling through a skylight into a -- I won't
give away the ending. This is a very, very strange film, it makes the
point that there truely may be bizarre unreal
Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code
-Caveat Lector- Is it any good?? Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I've read parts of it... Jamie -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 4:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code -Caveat Lector- Has anyone read 'The Bible Code' by Michael Drosnin?? Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lmailaol2.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA272 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:08 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lmailaol2.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:40:14 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21049963 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from twctule002.twc.com (securit2.twc.com [151.142.255.1]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05951 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by twctule002.twc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id C3N4X8X2; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:14:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:19:34 -0600 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Disney
-Caveat Lector- A more important question to ask is why you would spam it to a Conspiracy Research List, replete with a mile-long list of past recipients, wasting 13+K worth of bandwidth... Because it's a damn better read than most of the fluff that's been posted recently. Indian Elephants indeed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Disney Bollocks
-Caveat Lector- Richard, these Internet hoaxes are a kind of virus themselves...each time someone forwards the message to another recipient it propagates the "virus." Bob Thanks Bob, it's good to get proper answers. Sorry about sending the whole shebang before, it was a mistake that certain people got very funny about. Some people are so unforgiving. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Cult
-Caveat Lector- Next time you accuse me of Gaming - I may tell you about MY persecution by the UK Security Service - that'll be some serious shit for you to get huffy about Andrew Hennessey I'd certainly like to hear that Andrew. Oh, and i agree about this Clinton business. Far too much breath (or typing) wasted over such a pathetic scenario. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. snip It's stuff like that that will keep this going on... Jesse Dolan "Insane Hippie" www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954/index.htm Oh, i see, you have to have the last word do you. The goddamn argument had stopped after my message. It's stuff like what you posted that keeps things going. (by the way, i know you will accuse me of having the last word but i couldn't let you get away with that!!!) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.
-Caveat Lector- God, Hawk really is a schmuck isn't he!! nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You shouldn't and neither should I. Do I have health insurance or do I get you to pay for my stupidity by going to the emergency room? Can't you see that what you are attacking is socialism? You don't know what the hell you're talking about do you? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- lol E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I will tell you one thing I am NEVER going to call the Art Bell show! Because if I do then the whole list will erupt into a flame war like WWIII! Teo1000 And IF you do we're coming to your house and rip your damned phone out!! I'm already expecting the riot police to show up here at any time with their tear gas canisters and rubber bullets, which means that someone is going to get hurt. Then how will you feel, Teo?!! Don't ever, EVER call the Bell show! All the best, Jim as long as we are on the subject; i think that the problems erupted because you did not call the art bell show, so hurry up and call, so we can clear all this up. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA252 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 04:57:34 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 0:09:25 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 20847471 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:09:24 -0500 Received: from sfbayguardian.com ([207.44.198.140]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27253 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:02:02 -0500 (EST) X-UID: 008666b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:57:42 -0800 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: E Mael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) Comments: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: FC: More on AOL silences Irish forum sites
-Caveat Lector- This is REALLY interesting and really bloody scary. Since the internet/world wide web is most likely the future of communication and media, and with AOL swallowing Netscape to become a world force, it becomes a large 'WARNING' signpost for the future. Br shiver YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- If a group of pedophiles pretended that they were merely interested in discussing human sexuality, but in fact their group sponsored discussions on the best way to seduce children, I wouldn't expect it to last long on AOL. Likewise, we shouldn't expect AOL to tolerate a bunch of people who pretend that they merely want to discuss general political issues relating to Ireland, but in fact are dedicated to promoting terrorist tactics against people whose religion happens to differ from their own. Bull. Remember, this is the company that got into trouble for shutting down the breast cancer survivors chat areas and bulletin boards, since the members couldn't avoid using the word 'breast', which was on AOHell's long list of verboten words and phrases...the recipe exchange forums had a problem discussing dishes containing chicken breasts, too...as did the forums dedicated to prostate cancer, or any forum dedicated to discussing medical issues involving 'those parts' of the body... As someone who was on AOHell a couple of years ago, I know first hand their draconian tactics in trying to surpress free speech, as well as their intimate relationship with various spook agencies...I belonged to a forum dedicated to alternative medicine, discussion was mostly devoted to herbs and vitamins -- but for some reason AOHell's TOS Gods considered us of particular interest, and constantly disrupted the forum, to the point of actually not delivering posts...a group of us got online every Sunday afternoon for a live, PRIVATE chatroom, and yet we were still disrupted...it got to the point that we were able to determine a good number of the 'keywords' which seemed to trigger an automatic capture program, we'd actually joke about it in our Sunday afternoon chat, warn the others that we were about to shut down the system, and then someone would type in one of the keywords -- and sure enough, the system always froze for a good 2 or 3 minutes after one of these words were used... The novelty quickly wore thin, tho, as did AOHell's poor service...within a few months we all jumped ship to find REAL ISP accounts... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA286 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:19:48 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue,
[CTRL] FREE Holiday to Disney World
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone PLEASE tell me why people start these things up (like, sure, Disney and Bill Gates are really gonna' fly everyone to Disney World. Duh). What does anyone have to gain from doing it?read further down Sue Podell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shirley Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ShawnHall [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rex Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike Dempsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mevlut Dinc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marlon DosSantos [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Paulik [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debra Upton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 January 1999 08:07 Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! - Original Message - From: Anita Gunnufson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Carol and Gary Archer' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Diane Schwartzman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Kent Gunnufson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Laurie Miller' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Louise Crawford' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Paul Shreiter' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Sherman Cohen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: FW: this is real, please do it!! -- From: Jackie Rose Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:21 AM To: Christie Rose Cc: Gary Wayne Rose; teri and Madonna Leong; Steve Debbie Hsu; Staci and Glen Vescio; SharonDi Meglio; Sara Henderson; RoseWorden; ron's office; PattiPeters; Lisa and Jon Strong; KayMarko; jennifer leong; ila/donatherton; Ginger Simons; GARYKipling; Dennis Clark; ChristianWegener; cathy wolfe; beckybuehrle greenwald; Ann Scherm Baldwin Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! Be sure to double click on all the enevelopes to get to the original message, this shows you how much this has been passed around. Good Luck -Original Message- From: Lisa Welter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:00 PM Subject: Fw: this is real, please do it!! -Original Message- From: Cervo, Shelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Urbanik, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]; McKern, Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Munyon, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vigil, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Love, Dessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Devine, Myra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Denault, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Christopher, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Allen, Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Allen, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oltrogge, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Schreiber, Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:57 PM Subject: FW: this is real, please do it!! Guys its true I too called Disney myself... they are standing behind it 100% So send, send, send, send, okay? Folks, I called Disney my damn self. It's no lie. GET IT DONE! Disney message $5,000.00 If you read below you will see the note from Walt Disney Jr. Management at Disney World. Basically if this messages reaches 13,000 people, everyone will receive $5,000.00 or a free, all expenses paid, trip to Disney World in anytime during the summer of 1999. See the note below - its worth it Everyone is to resend to 15 individuals. Please read and forward to as many friends as possible...we've checked up on this and this is no joke of a chain letter or something if this reaches 13,000 people...duplicate entries don't count, though...So, please help pass on... thank you, and here you go!!! WALT DISNEY JR. GREETING Hello Disney fans, And thank you for signing up for Bill Gates' Beta Email Tracking. My name is Walt Disney Jr. Here at Disney we are working with Microsoft which has just compiled an e-mail tracing program that tracks everyone to whom this message is forwarded. It does this through an unique IP (Internet Protocol) address log book database. We are experimenting with this and need your help. Forward this to everyone you know and if it reaches 13,000 people, 1,300 of the people on the list will receive $5,000, and the rest will receive a free trip for two to Disney World for one week during the summer of 1999 at our expense. Enjoy. Note: Duplicate entries will not be counted. You will be notified by email with further instructions once this email has reached 13,000 people. Your friends, Walt Disney Jr., Disney, Bill Gates, The Microsoft Development Team. _ _ _ To: Steve Carriveau/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA David Repke/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA Hamid Shahid/National/Hewitt Associates@Hewitt Associates NA
Re: [CTRL] Apocalypse 2000
-Caveat Lector- No, he was predicting that his record sales would eventually be zero zero by 1999. Stopforth, Jamie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I always wondered what "Prince" or "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" meant in his song "1999" when he said... "Two-thousand, zero, zero party's over, it's out of time." I guess I know now... Wonder if he was knowingly referring to the Y2K computer glitch or if it's just a weird coincidence... Jamie The usual breathtaking insights from Michael Hoffman. -Original Message- From: Michael A. Hoffman II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 12:32 PM Subject: Michael A. Hoffman II on: Apocalypse 2000 Apocalypse 2000 Copyright©1999 by Michael A. Hoffman II http://www.hoffman-info.com As we approach the Year 2000 and millennial madness begins to manifest in all its amusing pagan frenzy, I am not so much interested in the claims made for what shall or shall not transpire after the great chronological divide has been crossed, but rather in what people believe about those claims. There may be little of consequence in the claim of industrial and technological collapse on Jan. 1, 2000 but if people believe a catastrophe will occur, they will by their own volition and credulity, make it come to pass. The widespread belief in and resulting panic associated with the Y2K doom scenario indicates an enormous fatigue. The denizens of the technological imperium are weary of their gadgets and believe they should be punished for using them, so they conceive of a world reduced to the Neolithic. I do not believe that a population of superior people would have any significant difficulties with ³Y2K² since the history of the West is the history of surmounting technological difficulties. I have seen some hint that a technological remedy to the Y2K computer glitch has been at hand since last summer but is being withheld. But aside from that, I am fascinating by the emergence of the cult of limitation which accompanies the mob reaction to Y2K. Suddenly man is paralyzed by two zeros. Two zeros in a Unix system will collapse western civilization. What a complete reversal of the spirit of OE69, which saw German scientists Arthur Rudolf and Werner Von Braun place men on the moon. Yet this new sense of limitation is not all bad. It signifies a profound anxiety over the direction of our technological imperium as it grows increasingly alien and artificial, particularly in the pharmaceutical usurpation of agriculture and the growth of gene-manipulated modern ³foods.² But these appropriate concerns are being manipulated and diverted into mob panic. Monsanto and the other corporations who are at present the equivalent of the city-states of Medici Italy--that is to say, nations unto themselves on the British East India model--will emerge stronger after the Y2K millennial panic is in full swing, as will FEMA and the other departments of the Federal leviathan. The rulers of the age require chiefly one form of energy from the masses: fear. The chief agent of these rulers in our time is the American right wing, the greatest repository of fear and fear-mongering rumors, which almost always concern the alleged enormous power of our rulers and the dark fate they have in store for us. Being cowans and dupes, these rightists have no ³knowledge of the equilibrium,² no knowledge that fear is the glue that holds the Evil Empire together. More than an adhesive, fear is a magnet, attracting precisely that which is most feared and bringing it into materialization as reality. It is for this reason that the Bible states, ³Fear God and you need fear no other.² But the American right wing is a cesspool of fear--fear of the U.N., the FBI, Bill Clinton, the ³Jews,² and the media. They have woven these disparate forces into an invincible web of power over themselves and constantly imagine impending doom and gloom. Without even knowing it, the Right is practicing pagan sorcery by just such means. I have just described the mechanics of primitive witchcraft, or perhaps we should call this self-fulfilling prophecy, ³wishcraft.² It has been used by harlequin hucksters at market stands of the Middle Ages and in our day by Gallup pollsters, Madison Avenue advertisers and a legion of agents planted deep in the right wing as well as in the pulpits of Judeo-Churchianity, both Catholic and Protestant. To the historian this ³End Time² situation is so familiar as to be humorous. On December 31 of the year 999, at the steps of the old basilica of St. Peter¹s in Rome, a throng of weeping, cowering and trembling peasants awaited the end of the world. They fought with one another and tore at each others garments. Some had purchased various amulets and ³relics² at great cost to ward off the impending ³doom.² Others had abandoned their homes in the towns and joined
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- Hey pal, i said STOP BICKERING. You come on here with your high and mighty attitude. Do you want to make something of it you sanctimonious crabfish!!! MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers == = * ---* revcoal AT connix DOT com * ---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. * * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA261 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:31:50 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 6:43:51 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- Hey schmuck, it's people like you who give this list a bad name. I was willing to support you with your 'Death Of Diana' transcript and the subsequent effect on your life - well you can forget it. I don't need this shit. I have enough on my plate with the weekly meetings, newsletters, European Society gatherings and the government fucking 24 hour watch on my premises. Now unless you have something constructive to add to the list please leave us alone and finish your book. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey Finkster, how dare you come on here and bark at me like some little Junkyard Dog!!! I know of you and your so called "Society" - The Source, and all you are is a bunch of scaremongering propagandists, so why don't you crawl back under you little rock, and leave the rest of us to it. SCHMUCK -Original Message----- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 11:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- Hey pal, i said STOP BICKERING. You come on here with your high and mighty attitude. Do you want to make something of it you sanctimonious crabfish!!! MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers == = * ---* revcoal AT connix DOT com * ---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. * * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
Re: [CTRL] Di ?
-Caveat Lector- Regarding that sound bite e-mail that might refer to DI and Dodi -- what is being said on it? Can someone provide a transcript. I couldn't understand it all. It's very hard to make out. I thought it said something about Harrods being closed down? It certainly sounded very suspicious. The voice seemed to be confirming that something had been carried out? I don't know, maybe i'm wrong. I know for a fact that M.A.R.K. is currently writing a book concerning the death of Diana and as well as this anonymous phone message, many strange things have been happening to him. M.A.R.K., if you are reading this please can you elaborate on your recent e-mail when you said 'life is becoming increasingly difficult of late, i cannot continue with the book for a while'. Richard B. Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:50 PM, MARK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I received this by anonymous email a couple of days ago, somebody obviously knows that I am getting close now I don't know whether it's real or not, or even about Di, the only reference is re: Harrods Di-maybe.wav File: Di-maybe.wav DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA278 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:30:26 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 3:41:41 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 20003712 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:41 -0500 Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (enterprise-qe1.fuse.net [206.230.21.11]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04409 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jimcondi (intrepid-155.fuse.net [216.68.40.155]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA06360 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:42:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:28:14 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Jim Condit Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: temp Subject: Re: [CTRL] Di ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Di ?
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for responding. May i just say on behalf of myself and (i presume) the rest of the list, that you have our full support and our wishes are with you and your family (who i'm sure are also suffering) at this time. The truth needs to be exposed and that's why we are here. All the best. Richard B. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- It's true, I have received many pieces of information regarding a cover-up of huge proportions. However, at present I am unable to comment on these until futher verification has been carried out. Yes, I have had to suspend writing on the book, due to some unusual 'phone calls, and certain things that have happened. 3 times in the last 2 months my credit cards have been cancelled for no apparent reason. I have been stopped for "random checks" in my car by the police on what seems like a weekly basis, and have only just managed to scupper rumours that have been set in motion to discredit me. Life is, indeed, becoming increasingly difficult for me, however, I will persevere, because I know that once the information that I have is released, nothing will be quite the same again. Mark -Original Message----- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 December 1998 09:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Di ? -Caveat Lector- Regarding that sound bite e-mail that might refer to DI and Dodi -- what is being said on it? Can someone provide a transcript. I couldn't understand it all. It's very hard to make out. I thought it said something about Harrods being closed down? It certainly sounded very suspicious. The voice seemed to be confirming that something had been carried out? I don't know, maybe i'm wrong. I know for a fact that M.A.R.K. is currently writing a book concerning the death of Diana and as well as this anonymous phone message, many strange things have been happening to him. M.A.R.K., if you are reading this please can you elaborate on your recent e-mail when you said 'life is becoming increasingly difficult of late, i cannot continue with the book for a while'. Richard B. Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:50 PM, MARK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I received this by anonymous email a couple of days ago, somebody obviously knows that I am getting close now I don't know whether it's real or not, or even about Di, the only reference is re: Harrods Di-maybe.wav File: Di-maybe.wav DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA278 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:30:26 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 3:41:41 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 20003712 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:41 -0500 Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (enterprise-qe1.fuse.net [206.230.21.11]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04409 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jimcondi (intrepid-155.fuse.net [216.68.40.155]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA06360 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:42:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:28:14 -0500 Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Dodi, Di,Barrantes Alan J.Pakula
-Caveat Lector-
I think this whole concept is uncanny. Has anyone done any research into this field???
May i just add that Rik Mayall had a serious accident last year. I'm happy to report
that he is OK though. But does that mean he is safe in future??
KA wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, MARK wrote:
RE: The above connection, there are more if we care to go back a little
further, Mark Bolan of T.Rex; James Dean, Princess Grace - all very
peculiar Car accidents resulting in death for very well known and public
figures.
Add Jayne Mansfield to the list...and recently, Peter Arnott of CNN...
And who was the woman reporter who died in a mysterious crash into a DC
suburb canal, I can picture her in my mind but I'm drawing a blank on the
name...she had staged a 'comeback' from alcoholism and was getting back
into investigative reporting...she died in the early 1980s...
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Re: [CTRL] NEW SUBJECT: Millenium Bug
-Caveat Lector- Hi, i'm new to this list but i was wondering if anyone had discussed the high probability of the Millenium Bug being a government (New World Order?) conspiracy. It seems highly unlikely that no one was aware of the fact that 90% of computers did not recognise the year 2000. It also seems unlikely that it has only been mentioned in the last 2 years. Let's face it, the world could potentially fall into mass chaos. As we all know, this kind of situation can be advantageous to a lot of people in power Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
