Re: [CTRL] Fw: this Magic = SLAVERY!
-Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ThePiedPiper Sent: 19 April 2000 18:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: this "Magic" = SLAVERY! This means that all answers are already given that we need to think and format the questions and queries That to put all knowledge on a computer will do no good unless you know what questions to ask of it! Communist want to control - since they do not know what will be of value to capitalize on they will just try to take everything. Thank you Mr McCarthy NEXT! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: this Magic = SLAVERY!
This means that all answers are already given that we need to think and format the questions and queries That to put all knowledge on a computer will do no good unless you know what questions to ask of it! Communist want to control - since they do not know what will be of value to capitalize on they will just try to take everything. They are the "ultimate negative capaltlist(s)" since they are incapable of seeing that they can earn for the sake of knowledge - it all has to go to the state and if they build or ask questions of what they have done they could be going against the state and get killed. Example: person#1 comes up with an answer - state takes it to question that answer to get a new result requires questioning the state. They have suddenly become an activist and a threat to the state. Communist are not allowed to debate, to enjoy, to use higher thinking skills since to do so will be questioning the state. Even if you were to give them and encyclopedia, they would need someone telling them what is important so that they could question it. Since everything that is important is new and potentially could tear up the state, they have to tear up new inventions and ways of thinking, because those ways of thinking could undermine the states control. The universe as a hologram where everything is connected would undermine ideas like "Goals 2000" where each child is to learn a skill and not be allowed to learn any subject that is not "deemed" required. To say that a computer operator does not need NOT ALLOWED to learn medieval history. They will be a computer operator all their lives (of course it is because of a genetic trait) when they are no longer needed as a computer operator Ah, well. . . They also are not allowed to learn any nutritional properties of food - they might question doctors. to learn government - they might question government to learn propaganda - they might question government Russia seems to be like this China and Japan still have some respect for education and history - it seems as if they are allowed to learn just not say that they have - as such - the base line of Communism is that they are not to question, debate, or to really THINK! Everything is separate, compartmentalized. An Hologram universe would require that they learn how things interconnect. It would require that Americans see that many of these things are not compiracy BUT a take over by those that do not want speculation as to how event interconnect. Up to now conspiracies have been limited to human type. If Communism has it's way any type of new idea would be a potential conspiracy. Think of how the French Revolution was against religion how Leakey and Lucy were trouted as against religion how some things are against government most anything new is a conspiracy and such to be used the Confederate Flag is not seen as a fight against the cannibalism that had happened overseas and against the crowded conditions in the North that they wanted to take the South's lands to put their own governmental slaves there but as a Southern slavery issue - using the African Americans to get the Southern lands. Check on the crowding in New York City during those times and put that together with the Civil War. It makes interesting reading. Will you think while you are still allowed to? You may forward with (c), ending and web page address intact will redo the open source comment on web page - since in the current format I stinks of communism, too. ThePiedPiper - A Purest not a Puritan Creator(t) http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm --- David Sutherland wrote: The problem these Gnostics garbed in the skirt of "scientism" have is that they do not comprehend that their own philosophy of "Maya" is an "Illusion!" The so-called "Holographic Universe" is merely a regurgitated form of amoral Hindu Pantheism, which in itself is a fundamentally slavish dogma that craves the subjugation and dissolution of the individual spirit into the communist-like universal "oneness". The Gnostics are, and were, obsessed with phantoms, evil spirits and the evil demiurge "god". Much of the New Testament contains harsh polemic against the Gnostics and their inherent glib view of life and humanity and their paranoid sense of the Cosmic Grim. In some sense, from what I read of the US history, at the apex of the JFK assassination the US as nation embarked on a course toward national Gnosticism. This Gnostic dialectic was and is compounded by the incessant paranoia of "Conspiracy Theory" which itself tends toward fatalism and a sense of powerlessness against the seemingly insurmountable powers of darkness. Heretical so-called "christian" Gnostics were historically the first to surrender liberty, property, and life to the power of the State, since, inherently they held that the material world and physical body, were evil and
Re: [CTRL] Fw: this Magic = SLAVERY!
The problem these Gnostics garbed in the skirt of "scientism" have is that they do not comprehend that their own philosophy of "Maya" is an "Illusion!" The so-called "Holographic Universe" is merely a regurgitated form of amoral Hindu Pantheism, which in itself is a fundamentally slavish dogma that craves the subjugation and dissolution of the individual spirit into the communist-like universal "oneness". The Gnostics are, and were, obsessed with phantoms, evil spirits and the evil demiurge "god". Much of the New Testament contains harsh polemic against the Gnostics and their inherent glib view of life and humanity and their paranoid sense of the Cosmic Grim. In some sense, from what I read of the US history, at the apex of the JFK assassination the US as nation embarked on a course toward national Gnosticism. This Gnostic dialectic was and is compounded by the incessant paranoia of "Conspiracy Theory" which itself tends toward fatalism and a sense of powerlessness against the seemingly insurmountable powers of darkness. Heretical so-called "christian" Gnostics were historically the first to surrender liberty, property, and life to the power of the State, since, inherently they held that the material world and physical body, were evil and of the evil "god" and only the "spirit" was meaningful. Many of the more ascetic Gnostics, in droves, threw themselves over cliffs to their bloody and broken deaths as they sought "freedom" from the flesh and materialism world. Cultists in the "Heavens Gate" sect were essentially Gnostic and like their ancient counterparts, sought their "freedom" from the material world through communal suicide. Beware of Gnostics and gurus draped in scientists overcoats! - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand Thank you Bob! What a great article, it fits in nicely with my own views of "reality" as we "know" it. It is nice to know that there are some "real" scientists out there who hold this view of reality as Maya. It opens up worlds of possibilities. On Tue, 18 April 2000, "Robert F. Tatman" wrote: The sender of this message included the following comment: "I don't know the origin of this essay -- somebody copied it onto another list I'm on, but it is an eye opener -- among other things it shows underlying ideas behind the magical law of contagion." My own reaction was that it validates the observation in *Illuminatus* that "reality is a consensus statement." - Original Message - From: Ambrose Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: snipped Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Magic = technology we don't understand The Universe as a Hologram Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm? In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example,believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark
Re: [CTRL] Fw: this Magic = SLAVERY!
It's actually quite a bit more than a "...regurgitated form of amoral Hindu pantheism..." It's a mathematically quantifiable and testable hypothesis. David Sutherland wrote: [snipped] The so-called "Holographic Universe" is merely a regurgitated form of amoral Hindu Pantheism, which in itself is a fundamentally slavish dogma that craves the subjugation and dissolution of the individual spirit into the communist-like universal "oneness". [snipped] - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand Thank you Bob! What a great article, it fits in nicely with my own views of "reality" as we "know" it. It is nice to know that there are some "real" scientists out there who hold this view of reality as Maya. It opens up worlds of possibilities. On Tue, 18 April 2000, "Robert F. Tatman" wrote: The sender of this message included the following comment: "I don't know the origin of this essay -- somebody copied it onto another list I'm on, but it is an eye opener -- among other things it shows underlying ideas behind the magical law of contagion." My own reaction was that it validates the observation in *Illuminatus* that "reality is a consensus statement." - Original Message - From: Ambrose Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: snipped Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Magic = technology we don't understand The Universe as a Hologram Does Objective Reality Exist, or is the Universe a Phantasm? In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris, a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science. Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations. University of London physicist David Bohm, for example,believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears. The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart
