Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- Amelia - road to peace, we declare war on Israel this albatross has been on our back long enough. Then we must find out more about these pilots - for they seem to have a lot in common with the Kamakaze kids at Littleton who forever changed the way we feel about schools. Zionism is the enemyand ADL is their guestapo who not too long ago even tried to censor the Egyptian press. Declare war on Israel, and cut of the billions we give them in aid and peace be to the Holy Land - New York City could use htis money now. Saba http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- the original remark and this shitty, pompous reply underlines the pathetic attitude you have toward people. i mean- in your hour of grief you attack other nations (without substance)- if you cannot see how vile that is... trivial nitpicking? fuck you- every other country in the world has been attacked- in war and in peace- when we pick up the dead we are not boasting that we are better at it than those darned americans. your attitude diminishes the sympathy that might be felt for you. fuck you. - Original Message - From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 > -Caveat Lector- > > c., > May God forgive me if in my grief I have been insensitive to a > British soccer fan! We are digging out over 20,000 dead, c. Do you > realize that I am about roughly as far from New York as the entire > EU? I was trying to be supportive of them. That's all. There has > never been a terrorist attack of this magnitude for comparison. I > think they behaved admirable. It could have been sheer chaos. I > want the people of the NYC area to know the rest of the country is > behind them and supportive. > > I have no knowledge of soccer and no particular incident in mind. > It was the first example of trampling that came to my mind. I spoke > without research. Obviously, I should have put aside my own shock > and grief and thought of you and the other fans instead. In fact my > mind was elsewhere, if you can believe it. I was thinking of our > dead and not the sensibilities of British or other fans! How could > I? Where are my priorities? But now that you have injected this > trivial subject into an otherwise serious discussion, I hate > soccer. I always have. I bet now I always will. I have only heard > reports of trampling at games. Period. I used what I had heard as > an example of trampling. Take it personally if you like or take it > any way at all for I do not care what you think. > > I think this is not the time for nit-picking as you are doing and I > do not appreciate it one bit. If you do not like what I am saying, > do not read my posts. When times are tough, we find out who our > real friends are. I hope you never have to deal with a situation > like this but if you do, I hope some little creep will not crawl > out from under a rock and try to put words in your mouth and issue > veiled threats about something you cannot even understand and > invent some slight in the midst of your mourning. Go crawl back > under your rock and allow us to deal with our grief in peace. You > are despicable! What an utter lack of compassion. I do not give a > rat's ass if you and your soccer teams trample each other to death > for obviously you have not one shred of concern for what we are > going through in this country. > ~Amelia~ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and > Steven Emerson) July, 2001 > > > -Caveat Lector- > > - Original Message - > From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:47 PM > Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven > Emerson) > July, 2001 > > > Compare > > and contrast that to soccer games where they trample each other > to > > death! > > be extremely careful with the accuracy of your sources, amelia, > when you > deny that it is a case of an american claiming to be better at > dealing with > emergancies than... a european? or who? american soccer fans? > do you have an incident in mind? i can think of two you may be > mistakenly > refering to... cause i just wanna vomit on ya when i read the > above. > am i wrong to jump to conclusions about your meaning? you cannot > really be > so sick as to gloat about how great and better you americans are in > a tragic > situation than other nationalities. mistakenly too... well, there's > a > surprise. > but, please, show me i am mistaken. > > < > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spre
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
Somebody on tv said they had gone down the stairs from the I think 50th floor to I think the 30th and the speakers came on and said they should go back to their offices; he said they looked at each other, said, "naaa", kept going to the ground and lived. - Original Message - From: RevCOAL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 -Caveat Lector-On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Amelia wrote:>If you hear any more about the person telling people to stay calm>and stay in the building, please post it.Nope, nothing more today, but then there weren't many survivors hangingaround to be interviewed...>Could she have been>well-intended and just somebody who thought she would avert panic>by doing this? Or do you think something far more sinister?While the female survivor just reported that 'someone told us to stopleaving and herded us into this room on the 12th floor where a TV wasplaying...', the construction worker specifically stated 'some guy toldus to stay put and not evacuate'...The contruction worker didn't mention any room with a TV, I'm not sure ifhe and the woman survivor were even in the same building or each inseparate towers...If it was just one incident, one could perhaps brush it off as misguidedadvice from a well-meaning anonymous individual...but the fact that 2people in 2 separate incidents report an attempt to keep them insideinstead of evacuating, and the possibility that it was 2 separate peopledoing this, I think raises questions about what was going on...Especially when one muses on why there just happened to be what seemed tobe a collection area for evacuees on the 12th floor with a TV setup...according to this woman, there was nothing else in the room exceptthe TV and people milling about, wondering what to do...According to this woman, they were specifically stopped IN THE STAIRWELLby this person, who seemed to be stationed deliberately at the 12th floorlevel to divert evacuees to this mysterious empty room with the TV.But if that person was still there when the woman and her friends decidedto book out again, at least he or she did not stop them a 2nd time...But I do have to wonder how many other people were still milling around,watching that TV on the 12th floor, when the building collapsed...>Also, I have been so proud of the behavior of the New Yorkers!New Yorkers, no less! Behaving in a very civilized manner and showing>compassion and helping each other.You obviously don't know the Big Apple and its residents well...thishappens all the time, albeit on a much smaller scale. New Yorkers alwayspull together in a crisis... :-)>I thought they did not care,>etc. and even prided themselves on their bad attitude.Ah! You see, they really care too much, and hide their collectivemarshmallow interior with a hard, tough veneer...>Even when>they were running as the buildings collapsed and all of the debris>was coming right up the street after them, there was no pushing, no>shoving and people actually picked up anybody who fell.Yep...that's Big Applites fer ya!Although late this afternoon they showed an evacuation from one of thebuildings near the WTC which is about to collapse...there was a cameracrew in the lobby, along with a whole bunch of rescue personnel, when thebuilding started shaking and they thought it was about to fall...The cameraman kept filming as they all hightailed it out there...as heran thru the lobby doors with dozens of rescue personnel running in frontand past him (and those outside starting to run as people shout "Get outof the area, it's about to fall!"), suddenly a woman pushes past -- shehadn't been visible before that. I suspect that she was part of thecamera crew, as she was wearing clean crisp designer jeans and a niceclean, white shirt...in other words, it didn't look like she had beentaking an active part in the rescue operation. Plus she had a designerknapsack on her back...Well, she was the only womanand everyone had to squeeze thru a narrowarea because of the constrictions of debris, abandoned cars, etc. Someof the guys just milled, wondering whether they should leave or not.Some others were weighed down with rescue equipment. In other words,most couldn't move very fastAnd suddenly you see this babe just elbowing her way thru the crowd...itwas obvious that she was very afraid and wanted to put as much spacebetween herself and the dangerous building as possible, and wasn't goingto let a little thing like manners get in the way... :-)That's Big Applites fer ya, too! ;-)>One
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- c., May God forgive me if in my grief I have been insensitive to a British soccer fan! We are digging out over 20,000 dead, c. Do you realize that I am about roughly as far from New York as the entire EU? I was trying to be supportive of them. That's all. There has never been a terrorist attack of this magnitude for comparison. I think they behaved admirable. It could have been sheer chaos. I want the people of the NYC area to know the rest of the country is behind them and supportive. I have no knowledge of soccer and no particular incident in mind. It was the first example of trampling that came to my mind. I spoke without research. Obviously, I should have put aside my own shock and grief and thought of you and the other fans instead. In fact my mind was elsewhere, if you can believe it. I was thinking of our dead and not the sensibilities of British or other fans! How could I? Where are my priorities? But now that you have injected this trivial subject into an otherwise serious discussion, I hate soccer. I always have. I bet now I always will. I have only heard reports of trampling at games. Period. I used what I had heard as an example of trampling. Take it personally if you like or take it any way at all for I do not care what you think. I think this is not the time for nit-picking as you are doing and I do not appreciate it one bit. If you do not like what I am saying, do not read my posts. When times are tough, we find out who our real friends are. I hope you never have to deal with a situation like this but if you do, I hope some little creep will not crawl out from under a rock and try to put words in your mouth and issue veiled threats about something you cannot even understand and invent some slight in the midst of your mourning. Go crawl back under your rock and allow us to deal with our grief in peace. You are despicable! What an utter lack of compassion. I do not give a rat's ass if you and your soccer teams trample each other to death for obviously you have not one shred of concern for what we are going through in this country. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 Compare > and contrast that to soccer games where they trample each other to > death! be extremely careful with the accuracy of your sources, amelia, when you deny that it is a case of an american claiming to be better at dealing with emergancies than... a european? or who? american soccer fans? do you have an incident in mind? i can think of two you may be mistakenly refering to... cause i just wanna vomit on ya when i read the above. am i wrong to jump to conclusions about your meaning? you cannot really be so sick as to gloat about how great and better you americans are in a tragic situation than other nationalities. mistakenly too... well, there's a surprise. but, please, show me i am mistaken. < http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Amelia wrote: >If you hear any more about the person telling people to stay calm >and stay in the building, please post it. Nope, nothing more today, but then there weren't many survivors hanging around to be interviewed... >Could she have been >well-intended and just somebody who thought she would avert panic >by doing this? Or do you think something far more sinister? While the female survivor just reported that 'someone told us to stop leaving and herded us into this room on the 12th floor where a TV was playing...', the construction worker specifically stated 'some guy told us to stay put and not evacuate'... The contruction worker didn't mention any room with a TV, I'm not sure if he and the woman survivor were even in the same building or each in separate towers... If it was just one incident, one could perhaps brush it off as misguided advice from a well-meaning anonymous individual...but the fact that 2 people in 2 separate incidents report an attempt to keep them inside instead of evacuating, and the possibility that it was 2 separate people doing this, I think raises questions about what was going on... Especially when one muses on why there just happened to be what seemed to be a collection area for evacuees on the 12th floor with a TV set up...according to this woman, there was nothing else in the room except the TV and people milling about, wondering what to do... According to this woman, they were specifically stopped IN THE STAIRWELL by this person, who seemed to be stationed deliberately at the 12th floor level to divert evacuees to this mysterious empty room with the TV. But if that person was still there when the woman and her friends decided to book out again, at least he or she did not stop them a 2nd time... But I do have to wonder how many other people were still milling around, watching that TV on the 12th floor, when the building collapsed... >Also, I have been so proud of the behavior of the New Yorkers! New Yorkers, no less! Behaving in a very civilized manner and showing >compassion and helping each other. You obviously don't know the Big Apple and its residents well...this happens all the time, albeit on a much smaller scale. New Yorkers always pull together in a crisis... :-) >I thought they did not care, >etc. and even prided themselves on their bad attitude. Ah! You see, they really care too much, and hide their collective marshmallow interior with a hard, tough veneer... >Even when >they were running as the buildings collapsed and all of the debris >was coming right up the street after them, there was no pushing, no >shoving and people actually picked up anybody who fell. Yep...that's Big Applites fer ya! Although late this afternoon they showed an evacuation from one of the buildings near the WTC which is about to collapse...there was a camera crew in the lobby, along with a whole bunch of rescue personnel, when the building started shaking and they thought it was about to fall... The cameraman kept filming as they all hightailed it out there...as he ran thru the lobby doors with dozens of rescue personnel running in front and past him (and those outside starting to run as people shout "Get out of the area, it's about to fall!"), suddenly a woman pushes past -- she hadn't been visible before that. I suspect that she was part of the camera crew, as she was wearing clean crisp designer jeans and a nice clean, white shirt...in other words, it didn't look like she had been taking an active part in the rescue operation. Plus she had a designer knapsack on her back... Well, she was the only womanand everyone had to squeeze thru a narrow area because of the constrictions of debris, abandoned cars, etc. Some of the guys just milled, wondering whether they should leave or not. Some others were weighed down with rescue equipment. In other words, most couldn't move very fast And suddenly you see this babe just elbowing her way thru the crowd...it was obvious that she was very afraid and wanted to put as much space between herself and the dangerous building as possible, and wasn't going to let a little thing like manners get in the way... :-) That's Big Applites fer ya, too! ;-) >One man passing out sneakers from his store to those women with no >shoes! What is the world coming to? New Yorkers are going to lose >their reputation for being nasty! :-) They're never really nasty, just abrupt. What's nasty is those gas stations in the midwest gas gouging yesterdayas you pointed out, in New York people have been coming forward to give things away, either to victims or to the rescuers... I even contacted the AKC today to see if they knew of any efforts underway to render assistance to all the rescue dogs and their handlers working the WTC rubble...this morning WCBS-TV showed one handler with his dog, and it was obvious that both were exhausted, already having worked 12 hours straight without a b
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 Compare > and contrast that to soccer games where they trample each other to > death! be extremely careful with the accuracy of your sources, amelia, when you deny that it is a case of an american claiming to be better at dealing with emergancies than... a european? or who? american soccer fans? do you have an incident in mind? i can think of two you may be mistakenly refering to... cause i just wanna vomit on ya when i read the above. am i wrong to jump to conclusions about your meaning? you cannot really be so sick as to gloat about how great and better you americans are in a tragic situation than other nationalities. mistakenly too... well, there's a surprise. but, please, show me i am mistaken. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- If you hear any more about the person telling people to stay calm and stay in the building, please post it. Could she have been well-intended and just somebody who thought she would avert panic by doing this? Or do you think something far more sinister? Also, I have been so proud of the behavior of the New Yorkers! New Yorkers, no less! Behaving in a very civilized manner and showing compassion and helping each other. I thought they did not care, etc. and even prided themselves on their bad attitude. Even when they were running as the buildings collapsed and all of the debris was coming right up the street after them, there was no pushing, no shoving and people actually picked up anybody who fell. Compare and contrast that to soccer games where they trample each other to death! And there seems to be order to the search. One man passing out sneakers from his store to those women with no shoes! What is the world coming to? New Yorkers are going to lose their reputation for being nasty! :-) The nine emergency workers found alive is such good news but I want them to hurry because what is someone is in there bleeding, etc. No more expected to be found alive at the Pentagon. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: "RevCOAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001 -Caveat Lector- >Generally, yes. But in this case the pilots seem to have had extensive training on flight simulators, so one has to question how they were able to achieve such training, and why the intelligence community dropped the ball on either finding out about this beforehand, or in alerting the populace to avert the tragedy from occuring... >What steps our legislature takes as a result of this will certainly >be interesting and deserving of our close scrutiny. Well Mizz Hillary was interviewed by WCBS-TV out of NYC this morning, and she had a long laundry list of intensified security measures which she said would 'have' to be instituted to keep this from happening again...in a nutshell, she wants to totally throw out the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but is that any surprise? :-( >Has anybody heard an informed speculation of the total? I would >not be at all surprised if it goes as high as 15,000 or even >higher. Will the real total be suppressed to prevent the perps >from feeling such success? I think it would be hard to totally suppress the figures...right now it's hard, because the WTC was so huge, it had such a huge workforce in it, it's going to be hard to find out who's dead. It was very sad last night, WCBS was showing people who had come in from the suburbs to look for loved ones who worked at the WTC. They all had pictures of the missing loved ones, a couple of people had even made up posters to put up that showed a picture of the loved one, stated where they had worked in the WTC, and giving a number to call if anyone had any information on their whereabouts. One woman was looking for her sister, who was attending a conference being held at the top of the first tower to be hit; she said that her sister had called their mother on her cellphone immediately afterwards to let the mother know that she was alright and that they were starting to evacuate and that she would call back once she got out of the building...but they never heard from her again. One has to wonder if she was one of the people who heeded the advice (command?) of the mysterious 'someone' (who in fact may be more than one person) who other eyewitnesses who got out said was stopping people from evacuating and telling them to stay put. I've heard two separate accounts on WCBS now from people who decided to ignore this advice/command and continued evacuating, and that is why they are alive today... June === http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lso
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Amelia wrote: >I hope we can present a unified and supportive face on these >events. Perhaps my anger has not kicked in yet but it is hard for >me to play the blame game as yet. I am sure it will come. The >horrors of today are still so fresh and awful. On the Spanish >speaking channel, did you see the couple hold hands and jump? Yes, I noticed the Spanish stations had much better (for lack of a better term) video than the English stations...the Spanish stations showed much more graphic video. Even though I don't understand Spanish, I periodically tuned into the 2 Spanish stations my cable system carries, just to watch their videos, both live and taped... >think CNN has that on their website. Another thing I found >especially telling was all of the high-heeled shoes left behind in >the debris from the fleeing office workers as tribute to the fact >that this was an attack on civilians, as many of our own have been. Well, having been subjected to more than a few fire drills from a high-rise office building, I can tell you that the last thing you want to be wearing if you want to evacuate quickly via a stairwell is a pair of highheels. I was caught unawares during one of these drills, as I had an important meeting first thing in the morning which required that I be in full office dress, meaning I had to switch from the walking shoes I usually wore to high heels that I kept in the office just for those types of meetings. The meeting hadn't even started yet when the alarm went off...I was on the top floor of a 23-story building, and wasn't allowed to quickly duck back to my office to get my flat-soled shoes... Because I knew if was a drill, and because I was coming from the top floor so I didn't have gobs of people behind me, I just took my time going down. But if it was a real emergency I would have just chucked off those damn highheels and run down the stairs in my stocking feet... >But knowing all about a terrorist organization will not stop a >suicide bomber, something that is known to be almost impossible. Generally, yes. But in this case the pilots seem to have had extensive training on flight simulators, so one has to question how they were able to achieve such training, and why the intelligence community dropped the ball on either finding out about this beforehand, or in alerting the populace to avert the tragedy from occuring... >What steps our legislature takes as a result of this will certainly >be interesting and deserving of our close scrutiny. Well Mizz Hillary was interviewed by WCBS-TV out of NYC this morning, and she had a long laundry list of intensified security measures which she said would 'have' to be instituted to keep this from happening again...in a nutshell, she wants to totally throw out the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but is that any surprise? :-( >Has anybody heard an informed speculation of the total? I would >not be at all surprised if it goes as high as 15,000 or even >higher. Will the real total be suppressed to prevent the perps >from feeling such success? I think it would be hard to totally suppress the figures...right now it's hard, because the WTC was so huge, it had such a huge workforce in it, it's going to be hard to find out who's dead. It was very sad last night, WCBS was showing people who had come in from the suburbs to look for loved ones who worked at the WTC. They all had pictures of the missing loved ones, a couple of people had even made up posters to put up that showed a picture of the loved one, stated where they had worked in the WTC, and giving a number to call if anyone had any information on their whereabouts. One woman was looking for her sister, who was attending a conference being held at the top of the first tower to be hit; she said that her sister had called their mother on her cellphone immediately afterwards to let the mother know that she was alright and that they were starting to evacuate and that she would call back once she got out of the building...but they never heard from her again. One has to wonder if she was one of the people who heeded the advice (command?) of the mysterious 'someone' (who in fact may be more than one person) who other eyewitnesses who got out said was stopping people from evacuating and telling them to stay put. I've heard two separate accounts on WCBS now from people who decided to ignore this advice/command and continued evacuating, and that is why they are alive today... >And though saddened that I am, I do not blame the ones dancing in >the streets for they do not have full news coverage and were not >seeing what was done. So many were little kids and old women who >only see it as the supplier of their oppressor being damaged. I think they'd dance even if they had the full facts; their attitude is one of 'our children and women and old people and other civilians have been killed for decades, why should it be any different for the U.S.?' Ju
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- So they are going right through the bible just as they did in the 60 period when King played Moses, sermon for sermon from I have a Dream (that dreamer of dreams must be put to death) to I've seen the promised land, but maybe I won't be permitted to go into it and we see the story unfold but imagine people hearing the story of Moses being played out by King in the let us say Zionist Church for Black Africans and a Kenyatta in Kenya pulled the same crap and both black masons not to be confused with the Masons which are the official order.. When Russian guard took the bible calendar (watchword calendar) away from the one Baron at Spandau where the 7 Nazis were held - he said look, he speaks of armaments.arms means armaments - he knew the code, and he caught the code but Albert Speer's Diary proves it was same year Gideon bible calendar code was placed in oh so special bibles of which I have one. So - here is other reading from Isaiah - and note again munitions appears - only it is stones like Palestinians toss - munitions, tell me did they have munitins in biblican times - like Daniel in bible, why the changed words - High Priest, made President. This is Masonic Astrology and Bnai Brith is a psuedo masonic order with ADL as its whip. Notice first how this move last year was made to disarm America? See who was behind it.imagine now will the looting start in New York - remember when Washington burned .. We are in trouble - Black Africans murdering white farmers.Israelis murdering Palestinians who throw stonesbut munitions looks like another key word.a watchword. So what McVeigh did with a load of fertiizer and aid of inside accoplices - would sure like to know who stayed home yesterday - any BATF and FBI in this building? Oh s - not to knock the intelligence are we but when we had Wasps in the CIA we had a CIA and the first real traitor to the CIA was one that could not trace his family tree back to Revolution - without a doubt. Read this and note words TOWER, and Munitions..what about the big meeting they had planned.for all we know the EU is trying to wipe us out and let us say teh usual suspects? Saba The King James Bible at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Isaiah, chapter 33 "1": Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee. "2": O LORD, be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: be thou their arm every morning, our salvation also in the time of trouble. "3": At the noise of the tumult the people fled; at the lifting up of thyself the nations were scattered. "4": And your spoil shall be gathered like the gathering of the caterpiller: as the running to and fro of locusts shall he run upon them. "5": The LORD is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness. "6": And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure. "7": Behold, their valiant ones shall cry without: the ambassadors of peace shall weep bitterly. "8": The highways lie waste, the wayfaring man ceaseth: he hath broken the covenant, he hath despised the cities, he regardeth no man. "9": The earth mourneth and languisheth: Lebanon is ashamed and hewn down: Sharon is like a wilderness; and Bashan and Carmel shake off their fruits. "10": Now will I rise, saith the LORD; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself. "11": Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you. "12": And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire. "13": Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. "14": The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? "15": He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; "16": He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. "17": Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off. "18": Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver? where is he that counted the towers? "19": Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand. "20": Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a qui
[CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
-Caveat Lector- Is this the trial of the ones to have been sentenced tomorrow across the street from the WTC building? Here again is complete intelligence info. There is no way to guard against suicide bombers and this type of terrorist. Like kamikaze. I hope we can present a unified and supportive face on these events. Perhaps my anger has not kicked in yet but it is hard for me to play the blame game as yet. I am sure it will come. The horrors of today are still so fresh and awful. On the Spanish speaking channel, did you see the couple hold hands and jump? Or hear the dozens of fireman's crickets going off under the rubble? I think CNN has that on their website. Another thing I found especially telling was all of the high-heeled shoes left behind in the debris from the fleeing office workers as tribute to the fact that this was an attack on civilians, as many of our own have been. But knowing all about a terrorist organization will not stop a suicide bomber, something that is known to be almost impossible. What steps our legislature takes as a result of this will certainly be interesting and deserving of our close scrutiny. I do not think we will ever feel as safe as we once did because of this no matter what they do. The State of Mass has now announced information on five suspects and how they killed the flight attendants, stabbed them. There are more horrors yet to come, probably worst than we can imagine. Of course we do not want to give the number of deaths for that is the terrorists' 'kill ratio' and information I am sure they want badly. Has anybody heard an informed speculation of the total? I would not be at all surprised if it goes as high as 15,000 or even higher. Will the real total be suppressed to prevent the perps from feeling such success? And though saddened that I am, I do not blame the ones dancing in the streets for they do not have full news coverage and were not seeing what was done. So many were little kids and old women who only see it as the supplier of their oppressor being damaged. But if you own any real estate in Kabal, I'd say sell quick for tomorrow it will be a glass parking lot. It is hard to bomb a country 'into the stone age' when they are just about still there. Yes, I want to see the guilty punished and I certainly want this finally stopped before it happens again. But is it not tragic that in order to do that, more people will be bombed and more killing? They kill us, we kill them, those others kill each other. Couldn't we bury our dead before more killing but no, that would send the wrong message or give some advantage. Will we ever feel safe again for will we learn to live with one eye on the sky or out for the car bomb or suitcase neutron? Only time will tell. ~Amelia~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Terrorism on Trial (Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson) July, 2001
Interesting Item from May 2001 and when you read the last paragraph you see the flag of Israel at bottom of story and the plan just today nearly word for word, uttered by George Bush. As if plans all made in advance waiting for the proper moment to engage same? Saba http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul01/pipes.htm
