Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Interesting speculation! My thoughts were that this media frenzy is to take the heat off Bush Jr. and the cocaine thing. Istead of a Wag the Dog scenario it is a Wag the Media ploy. Could be that the Bush Jr. and the cocaine dirge will disappear after this. I would think that Red China's economy would depend on the US buying their products since nearly everything for sale is made there except cars. >> Oh yes! Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- And it takes the threat of a film of Jeb and George Bush receiving Cocaine by the kilo to have this all come outwhat a bunch of rats they all are, and what a bunch of sheep we have become... flw wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > - Original Message - > From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: White House blamed for secret unit at Waco > > > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > > > > fucking little girls. Nice religion. > > > > > > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn > > > them alive to prevent them from being abused". > > > > Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm > > amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; > > amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo > > campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't > > actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. > > What silly pro government hate nonsense. > > I watched the murder of the Waco Children on live TV. > > I watched in shocked horror as the Feds smashed down the > building on top of the kids. It was clear that they were trying to > kill these people even before the fire started. But I guess > watching tanks intentionally knock down a building on top of kids > must be some kind of Chinese Mind Meld over my TV screen. > > The Feds knew that the flimsy plywood building was filled with burning > kerosene lamps when they started their demolition derby. They didn't > need pyrotechnics to start the fire, just knock the place down and the > fire was preordained to start. But of course they had to smash and burn > the kids to protect them from "abuse". And shoot gas (CS) that was banned > by > the Geneva Convention (and that was well known to be fatal to children). > > Interesting to see if the sequel to the Waco Documentary will include (as > is now > being mentioned) infra red tape of the Feds shooting the Davidians with > automatic > assault rifles as they fled from the rear of the burning building. > flw > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-27 17:05:22 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years >of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top > Simple as that... Same conclusion here. However, in order for corruption not to be PUBLICLY perceived AS corruption, a plentiful dose of "conspiring" is absolutely necessary. Let's not forget the fundamental LEGAL definition of "conspiracy," applied for example in prosecutions under the RICO statute. It needn't involve anything too bizarre or uncommon at all. It's POWER that corrupts -- especially power without accountability, the Holy Grail of the powerful, hard striven for by the power-hungry, since anything less ISN'T "power." How does one rein in, much less STOP, anyone empowered to act without accountability? Such have nowhere to go but upward, toward the capstone of a pyramid built, alas, on the common man's --even victims'-- admiration for rapacity, amorality, and corruption, in a system which demonstrably REWARDS vice on every level from the bottom up ... But "what fools these mortals be" ... We're appalled (and a little bit pleased, vengefully) at hearing how Russia has become a nation owned and operated by organized crime, yet we're too blind to notice that this is likewise the case here in the United States ... DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/27/99 12:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > > > fucking little girls. Nice religion. > > > > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn > > them alive to prevent them from being abused". > > Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm > amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; > amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo > campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't > actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. > > This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially > evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce > productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage > in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering. > > Is this a stretch? Not at all. The same people who're are Waco > conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. The propaganda > campaigns are well-coordinated, eh? Think about it. > You amaze me Ric! Someone who so unashamedly claims to be the champion of rationality choosing a "vast Byzantine conspiracy" involving China and anti-science-ists over the much simpler (and according to Occams razor the more likely) scenario that it is the government itself that is selling the disinfo swill, because they fucked up and because they had no business there. I don't need to remind you that the government HAS, IS DOING, and WILL CONTINUE to do these things do I? Of course I can only go by what history has already shown us and it isn't pretty as far as our government is concerned. Now how did evolution get into this thread? Evolution and science, whether fact or fiction, have nothing to do with the fascist police state tactics that were employed in this "assault." Of course for six years the DOJ lied and said NO, I repeat NO incendiary devices were fired, BUT, lo and behold they did use them after all. Well, it makes me wonder what else they are hiding and what the Texas Rangers have, but I guess you don't care because they now admit it and you still believe it was the Davidians themselves who started the fire. Couldn't have been the government, because they are always right, even if it takes six years to admit to doing something that they "claim" could not have caused any harm in the first place. Yeah the good old government is always out for our best interests huh Ric. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- -- >From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > snip > > Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm > amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; > amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo > campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't > actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. > > This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially > evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce > productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage > in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering. > > Is this a stretch? Not at all. The same people who're are Waco > conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. The propaganda > campaigns are well-coordinated, eh? Think about it. > One of my friends had never owned a gun before Waco. Afterwards he joined am militia, bought a bunch of guns and started handing out and selling (cheap) patriot vidoes (many dealing with Waco). Anti-evolutionist? I doubt it. He never mentioned his beliefs on that, though we lived in the same house for over a year. Anti-science? He has a Phd in Chemistry and worked on a post doc in quantum chemistry. Yes, you are making a stretch. But then I am sure it isn't the first time. Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/27/99 10:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to > > > keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in > > > place thanks to the Bush Administration... > > > > Yeah, right. The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined > > as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm > > minding their own business. If their leader was wanted for any > > crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog. > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > fucking little girls. Nice religion. The lessons are: > > -- If you don't want gov't agencies to take too much interest in >your religion, then don't deal weapons and don't take child brides; > -- If your religion necessitates that you deal weapons and fuck >little girls, and you don't want gov't interference, then you >should accumulate sufficient political/economic power to deflect >said interference; and/or, move to a remote, sheltered location >where surveillance/attack are difficult; and/or, be circumspect - >don't let anyone know where you are or what you're doing. > -- If you MUST deal weapons AND screw kids AND be visible, be sure >your funeral arrangements have been made. > Good analysis though very flawed. There is no evidence that he was "dealing weapons", which implies buying and selling in an unlawful way. What he had was a lot of guns. So what? He could have 10,000 guns, if he doesn't use any of them for illegal activities no harm no foul in my book. Give me a source for his "gun dealing." Next as to fucking little girls I know nothing of any substantiated claims, that means proof, that any children were molested in any way. I think it was another sham story to justify murder by the government. They had to cook up something. Incidentally I guess its just okay by you if the government murders all the innocent children along with the "evil" leaders huh? Just like the inquisition you say kill them all and let God sort them out. I, for one, do not want my government taking it upon themselves to murder and maim, for what? We still don't know what it was that was going on there and probably never will thanks t our vaunted government and their shitty cover-up investigation. No thanks. If it weren't for these flaws you analysis is quite accurate as to what happens when you don't have the power to be left unmolested. That is why all the underground pedophilia and snuff film, and satanic shit that makes its rounds never comes to light, because all the perps got a LOT of money and a LOT of power. At Waco we had some deluded fools, who were murdered because they had no political clout. If that is a world where you are happy to live in good for you, because you got it, as for me I want no parts of it. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/27/99 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yup, the same crew that engineered Ruby Ridge previously. The same > Reagan/Bush Sr. teams effectively ran DoJ, FBI, CIA, et al, for some > months after Clinton took office - and may still run those agencies, > if Reno's claim of being kept in the dark is accurate. Has Bush Sr. > maintained operative control ever since his stint as DCI? Do these > agencies operate on their own, regardless of who occupies the White > House? Who engineered 'NannyGate', which ensured that ineffective > Reno would be the figurehead at DoJ? What'll be engineered to > ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White House? > Well, it is certain that the Bush administration had a grip on these agencies, and it may also be true that they are run independent of the Executive or the AG. Reno is a putz and I refuse to let her off so easily with a "she might have been left out of the loop". She's in charge, whether in name only or in fact, and because of that it is her responsibility and frankly she couldn't go soon enough to suit me. These organizations have a limited autonomy to act at any rate and an agenda that does not necessarily follow with that of the so-called administration. BUT, WHEN Bush Jr. gets into office he will be no figurehead. He will be in control just like his daddy and just like he was born and raised and pumped out of Skull and Bones to do. He will carry the torch of the NWO and the fascist police state with all the pride any Lebensborn maybe could muster. Let's make no mistake about that. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: Re: White House blamed for secret unit at Waco > > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > > > fucking little girls. Nice religion. > > > > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn > > them alive to prevent them from being abused". > > Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm > amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; > amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo > campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't > actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. What silly pro government hate nonsense. I watched the murder of the Waco Children on live TV. I watched in shocked horror as the Feds smashed down the building on top of the kids. It was clear that they were trying to kill these people even before the fire started. But I guess watching tanks intentionally knock down a building on top of kids must be some kind of Chinese Mind Meld over my TV screen. The Feds knew that the flimsy plywood building was filled with burning kerosene lamps when they started their demolition derby. They didn't need pyrotechnics to start the fire, just knock the place down and the fire was preordained to start. But of course they had to smash and burn the kids to protect them from "abuse". And shoot gas (CS) that was banned by the Geneva Convention (and that was well known to be fatal to children). Interesting to see if the sequel to the Waco Documentary will include (as is now being mentioned) infra red tape of the Feds shooting the Davidians with automatic assault rifles as they fled from the rear of the burning building. flw DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: What'll be engineered to ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White House? Waco was immediately resurrected when the NWO's Boy George became threatened by the cocaine issue didn't it? Throwing the dogs a bone DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- As usual, Ric is SPOT ON here...Good work dude Bill. Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering. Is this a stretch? Not at all. The same people who're are Waco conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. The propaganda campaigns are well-coordinated, eh? Think about it. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- > The same people who're are Waco > conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. Who are these "same people"? I hope you're not accusing me of being anti-evolution. The problem I see with categorizing people into groups is that it ignores the fact that groups are made up of individuals, each of whom has his/her own particular point of view on any number of issues. There's bound to be some overlap between one group and another, but just because Mary and Jeff in Group A share some opinions with Joe in Group B, it doesn't prove that the people of Group A are the same as those of Group B. BTW, why does no one ever answer the simple question: Why didn't they arrest Koresh? AFAIK, he is the only one who was accused of any crimes. Not only has the question not been answered, it hasn't even been dealt with. That particular question is invariably ignored and not responded to. I want .50 cal machine guns as a factory option. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- How long have you been around? It COULD be Chinese disinformation, but I doubt it.. On the other hand the Government does so many stupid things its hard to avoid the idea of conspriacy. Example: Washington built up the USSR with "trade" and technology. Catalogued in my book BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY. in 1972. Instead of thanks for the work I got insults,harassment, threats and finally kicked out of Stanford. Now Washington wants to build up China with technology,same policy that was behind the Cold War. You can call it greed, conspiracy, stupidity Or a mix of all these things...Most likely is corporate self interest facilitated by access money. To be sure one can take conspiracy too far...and Waco to me seems no more than a police state gone crazy I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top Simple as that... It could be that Waco revival is deception.that means that Clinton and Bush are in collusion. If you know whats coming down the road in the CIA/COCAINE/ MENA/BUSH mess certainly it points to collusion...but only on this one topic The simple fact of greed and the need to cover past sins explains an awful lot.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-27 12:40:55 EDT, Ric Carter writes: << Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering. Is this a stretch? Not at all. The same people who're are Waco conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. The propaganda campaigns are well-coordinated, eh? Think about it. >> Interesting speculation! My thoughts were that this media frenzy is to take the heat off Bush Jr. and the cocaine thing. Istead of a Wag the Dog scenario it is a Wag the Media ploy. Could be that the Bush Jr. and the cocaine dirge will disappear after this. I would think that Red China's economy would depend on the US buying their products since nearly everything for sale is made there except cars. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > > fucking little girls. Nice religion. > > Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn > them alive to prevent them from being abused". Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. This runs in parallel with moves to discredit science, especially evolution, in an effort to destroy US science education and reduce productivity of US workers, China's only hope to gain an advantage in the world economy, now that their own economy is faltering. Is this a stretch? Not at all. The same people who're are Waco conspiratorialists are also anti-evolutionists. The propaganda campaigns are well-coordinated, eh? Think about it. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- > > Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and > fucking little girls. Nice religion. I repeat: > If their leader was wanted for any > crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily >jog. There was absolutely no need to murder 86 people. Just arrest Koresh while he was out jogging. You sound just like the German Nazi's who killed Jewish babies because their parentage wasn't compatible with the master race. The children in that compound weren't dealing weapons or drugs. Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn them alive to prevent them from being abused". Kathleen "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C. S. Lewis All men were created free, and now they are everywhere in chains DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to > > keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in > > place thanks to the Bush Administration... > > Yeah, right. The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined > as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm > minding their own business. If their leader was wanted for any > crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog. Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and fucking little girls. Nice religion. The lessons are: -- If you don't want gov't agencies to take too much interest in your religion, then don't deal weapons and don't take child brides; -- If your religion necessitates that you deal weapons and fuck little girls, and you don't want gov't interference, then you should accumulate sufficient political/economic power to deflect said interference; and/or, move to a remote, sheltered location where surveillance/attack are difficult; and/or, be circumspect - don't let anyone know where you are or what you're doing. -- If you MUST deal weapons AND screw kids AND be visible, be sure your funeral arrangements have been made. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have > to keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was > already in place thanks to the Bush Administration... Yup, the same crew that engineered Ruby Ridge previously. The same Reagan/Bush Sr. teams effectively ran DoJ, FBI, CIA, et al, for some months after Clinton took office - and may still run those agencies, if Reno's claim of being kept in the dark is accurate. Has Bush Sr. maintained operative control ever since his stint as DCI? Do these agencies operate on their own, regardless of who occupies the White House? Who engineered 'NannyGate', which ensured that ineffective Reno would be the figurehead at DoJ? What'll be engineered to ensure that Bush Jr. is the next figurehead in the White House? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- > -Caveat Lector- > > While I'm not excusing the Clinton Administration, one DOES have to > keep in mind that they just took over a situation that was already in > place thanks to the Bush Administration... > > Yeah, right. The "situation" of a bunch of "cult members" (defined as a religion without any political power) living together on a farm minding their own business. If their leader was wanted for any crimes, he could have been picked up any day during his daily jog. Kathleen "Of all the forms of murder, none is more monstrous than that committed by a state against its own citizens . . ." - Forensic Anthropologist Clyde Snow All men were created free, and now they are everywhere in chains DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/27/1999 2:12:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << For years, the Pentagon refused to acknowledge Delta Force's existence, even as such public failures as Desert One and Somalia came to light. Now, the military admits there is such a 400-man unit trained in a fenced area of Fort Bragg, N.C., home to the Joint Special Operations Command. But its work still remains top secret. >> Yes, and unfortunately they don't appear to be very good at what they do. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
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[CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- Published in Washington, D.C. 5am -- August 27, 1999 www.washtimes.com White House blamed for secret unit at Waco By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES he three Delta Force commandoes at the Branch Davidian compound in April 1993 were part of an elite unit the military secretly founded in 1977 to combat world terrorism. While their use as on-scene observers was legal, a military expert is faulting the Clinton administration for putting the soldiers in a domestic law enforcement setting where innocent people died in a horrible blaze. Said Al Santoli, a House national security aide, "Delta Force is our most sophisticated task force against terrorists and to think that Delta would be used is an abuse of their power and an abuse of their mandate. What happened in Waco was strictly a law enforcement matter." "Delta Force is not hostage negotiating. They are action guys against terrorists," said Mr. Santoli, an aide to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican. "They are experts who deal with the most violent and sophisticated international terrorist forces." A Pentagon spokesman said Thursday the three special forces soldiers were at Waco strictly as observers in hopes of learning something new on hostage rescue. For years, the Pentagon refused to acknowledge Delta Force's existence, even as such public failures as Desert One and Somalia came to light. Now, the military admits there is such a 400-man unit trained in a fenced area of Fort Bragg, N.C., home to the Joint Special Operations Command. But its work still remains top secret. Delta Force was the brainchild of two hardened Vietnam warriors, Col. Charles Beckwith and Maj. Richard Meadows. They recognized that the growing threat of global terrorism heightened the prospect that Americans would be taken hostage overseas. A special unit was needed, they argued, to rescue them. Unfortunately, Delta Force's first notoriety stemmed from failure. Some of its members participated in the botched Desert One operation in 1979 to free 66 American hostages from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Bad publicity struck again in 1993 when the ill-conceived manhunt for Somalia warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid ended in the ambush of a U.S. special forces unit and the death of 18 soldiers. Many successes remain secret. In any conflict involving American troops, Delta Force is on the scene prepared for a hostage situation. They also perform reconnaissance deep inside enemy lines and join with other commando units, such as Navy Seals, on special missions. Delta Force members were believed to have penetrated Iraqi territory during the 1991 Persian Gulf war in a hunt for ballistic missile launchers. "They have also advised and worked with people like the Israelis who have been successful to varying degrees," Mr. Santoli said. "The reason they keep their identities secret is to protect Americans from the world's most dangerous terrorists." The issue of Delta Force aiding the FBI at Waco is not new. Attorney General Janet Reno testified before congressional committees that she sought the unit's advice before approving the April 1993 assault. A joint congressional committee investigated the commandoes' role in both open and closed hearings. But their presence does take on new importance this week with the FBI's admission that it did, despite previous denials, use incendiary devices on the same day the compound erupted in flames. A 1878 law called Posse Comitatus forbids the military from enforcing civilian laws. But legal experts said Thursday the law does not ban the armed forces from advising law enforcement officials or observing hostage situations. "There's a lot of things they can do 'in support of,' " said a former Army lawyer. "But what they do not have the authority to do is go out and actually enforce." http://www.washtimes.com/investiga/investiga1.html Bard DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ===
