Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Bob, THANK YOU!!! Hilary -- > From: Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? > Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 3:04 AM > > -Caveat Lector- > > The point here is that there is no Constitutional basis for EOs. What I > have heard (not verifiable in laws) is that an EO takes effect in 30 days if > it is not disputed by Congress, then it becomes law. The Executive branch > has no Constitutional authority to create laws, only the legislative branch. > Clinton's power play (EO 11083) > on federalism is the only one that has been disputed recently. > > The paragraph below explains EO standing: > > "The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having > the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and > ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the > time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so > branding it... No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no > courts are bound to enforce it." > -- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256 > > Regards, > Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- The president is also to see that laws are enflorced inasmuch as he heads up the Department of Justice, etd. Executive Orders - a President can do most anything not in conflict with the Constitution, because that is the law he swears under oath to support. The President is not God; he cannot make war and stop wars; he needs the approval of the Congress according to the Constitution, even if it is only a stamp of approval. When JFK signed the Executive Order which lay on his desk when he left for Dallas, and it was signed.it was an order that was not contrary to the Constitution and subject matter was within his realm to enforce. Clinton is playing God right now; drunk with power.he has taken a narrow poll, probably that of the independent voters knowing he will hve the democrats with him, and most of the republicans against him; this independent vote is the key to any election - this independent vote consists of a group of the elite, and must be hanging on with all their might right now because it is only the stock market that keeps Clinton going...in other words, not only is the lack of money the root of all evil, but the want of money is as well. Wall Street is safe with this illegal war going; nobody is getting hurt on our sideto me, one American life is not worth itespecially when you look at our humanitarian efforts in Yugoslavia. Clinton had no legal right to go into this war and he should be held legally responsible for any results of same, along with the Congress. Lets take thier pensions away.is not that what they are doing to the Social Security - which is our money? Vote them ALL out until they get the message, the good, the bad, and th oh so uglyand lets still send Madam Albright, the Butcher of the Balkans along with the Butcher of WACO, to Sadaam Hussein where he would put them both to work scrubbing floors. (On their knees moslem style) Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- This cite to AmJur concerns laws not EO's. It has nothing to do with EO's. Only Congress can make laws. Only the President can make EO's. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Article on Executive Orders: http://www.connecti.com/~knobby/tyranny.html Bob Stokes wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > The point here is that there is no Constitutional basis for EOs. What I > have heard (not verifiable in laws) is that an EO takes effect in 30 days if > it is not disputed by Congress, then it becomes law. The Executive branch > has no Constitutional authority to create laws, only the legislative branch. > Clinton's power play (EO 11083) > on federalism is the only one that has been disputed recently. > > The paragraph below explains EO standing: > > "The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having > the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and > ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the > time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so > branding it... No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no > courts are bound to enforce it." > -- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256 > > Regards, > Bob Stokes > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om -- Michael & the Outlawlady The Joshua Files http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- The point here is that there is no Constitutional basis for EOs. What I have heard (not verifiable in laws) is that an EO takes effect in 30 days if it is not disputed by Congress, then it becomes law. The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to create laws, only the legislative branch. Clinton's power play (EO 11083) on federalism is the only one that has been disputed recently. The paragraph below explains EO standing: "The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it... No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it." -- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256 Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Well, now I understand this stuff; most people do not understand the Federal Reserve, but this list sure brings out a lot of facts and interesting material. So...Aaron Burr in a duel killed Alexander Hamilton, who was supposedly instrumental in setting up this Federal Reservehe sure made the right enemies too. Did not now that about LBJ. Strange he would do that, is it not; when supposedly, he was to carry out JFK's unfinished plans still on the drawing boardJust Like Reagan, was it not. Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Colleen Jones wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action > > Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it > > was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, > > his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do > > that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his > > way to Dallas. > > > > I had a friend once who claimed to have been a Navy Seal in 1963 > assigned to Kennedy as a body guard. He said that he was with him in > Florida visiting Joe Kennedy and the argument quoted from above. He said > that he was shipped off to Vietnam the next day. > > Howard Davis > > That executive order is, I believe, EO#2. It essentially authorized congress to revert to using United States Notes for its debt rather than continuing to use the Federal Reserve Note. The significance is that a United States note has no interest added and the United States can retrieve those notes when ever it wants. The Federal Reserve notes DO incur interest and that is how the National Debt is generated. Do you remember the United States Notes? We used them for a long time. They had a red seal and red ID number. This is what supplanted the "National Currency" note which was issued by a Federal Reserve bank the National Currency note could be redeemed in "lawful Money". First thing Johnson did when he got in office was to issue EO 4 (or so) and retract EO 2, thereby saving the Fed. .Jim Norman > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Do you believe it was because he overheard this conversation. Just once I said the same thinga news reporter called me in March of 1968, St. Patricks Day, and said "Well Bobby's going to run for President". I said "Oh No, they will kill him"..and he said "you are probably right". There are some really evil forces at work and have been at work for a long, long time. I believe they actually planned WWII, and as usual, the Bible Code is the key...the reason I believe that is Pearl Harbor Dayand the last Chapter of Mathew - JFK took the title of his book from this Chapter, and it is "The Rising Sun"the symbol of the Rising Sun of Japan, and the message to "Climb Mt. ..." cannot forget the mountain name. Even the Soviet Union knew of this code, which was once used by CIA according to Sybil Leek. Could you please tell my why you think the young man sent to Viet Nam; for his own safety, to get him out of the picture - they were afraid he would tell? JFK read his bible all the way to Dallas; they said it was a very special, hand sewn silk bible.Eccl. 12 was his favorite passagehe knew what this code was, and so does every High Degree Mason in the Country, including the "Burning" Bush. Colleen Thanks for the letter. Really appreciate. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action > Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it > was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, > his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do > that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his > way to Dallas. > I had a friend once who claimed to have been a Navy Seal in 1963 assigned to Kennedy as a body guard. He said that he was with him in Florida visiting Joe Kennedy and the argument quoted from above. He said that he was shipped off to Vietnam the next day. Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Hilary A. Thomas" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Hello all, > > I just came across some information. Can any verify this? Comments? > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > My understanding of executive orders is that there are only two basis for them in the Constitution. One would be as per your example and other orders within government. For instance, Truman's order to integrate the military, etc. The other possibility for executive orders is when the country is in a state of emergence. There are two theories as to how these possible situations apply to the people at this time. First, in the case of executive orders only applying within the government. It is thought by some that by voluntarily obtaining a social security account, one becomes a part of the government and thus can be effected by executive orders. As to the second situation. Some argue that Roosevelt emergency declaration of March, 1933 (under which he ordered the banks closed and the confiscation of American's gold) has never been ended and thus we are still under emergency rule and thus ruled by executive order. Under the later theory, we are really under a dictatorship and the Congress' purpose is limited to setting policy, though it can be over ruled by the president. Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- > From: T Nohava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? > Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:19 PM > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > > > > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create > > an EO. And > > > > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > > > > > > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of > > circumventing the > > > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > > > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > > > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > > > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > > > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > > > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > > > reached before the issuance of them. > > > > > > Jamieson > > > > > > > An Executive Order is a military term. All military > > establishments have a board > > when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. > > and 2. The XO's > > Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It > > happened just after > > the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer > > had a consensus to > > conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, > > declared martial law and > > began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. > > Jim Norman > > > > I think you're correct Jim, in that technically we've been under martial > since then. It's been my understanding that an EO written by the President > has to be qualified in some way by members (maybe a subcommittee perhaps) of > Congress. If the EO is enacted it is the law for six months and then > Congress meets to decide if the EO should be continued. The problem I feel > is allot can happen in six months for which no one can do anything about. Yes, it does stand for a certain period of time. Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- > From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? > Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 2:10 PM > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 04/15/1999 1:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > reached before the issuance of them. >> > > Well, Richard Nixon used one to stop the Western ranchers and sheep herders > from putting out cyanide baits on public land. The method being used was > rather wiping out the entire food chain, not to mention the dogs belonging to > the forest rangers. No problem though. I'm sure they've found other means > to wipe out wildlife. I must say, however, that I've never heard such a > furor over executive orders as I have lately. Prudy Prudy, That is because some of the EOs that have been written in the past decade have been pretty scary. Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- > From: Jim Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? > Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 12:28 PM > > -Caveat Lector- > > Yardbird wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > > > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And > > > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > > > > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the > > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > > reached before the issuance of them. > > > > Jamieson An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board > when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's > Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after > the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to > conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and > began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. > Jim Norman Now this is an interesting piece of information Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- -- > From: Yardbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this? > Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:43 AM > > -Caveat Lector- > > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And > > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > reached before the issuance of them. > > Jamieson Hiya Jamieson, I know that there is either a 30 or 60 day period that either the Congress or the Senate (Gee, do I know how my government works or what?) to stop the EO. In fact, there has been great concern on several lists why no one seems to have any objections within the House or Senate about the many EOs that have come down the pike recently. But, basically, I was wanting to know if EOs where designed to specially and ONLY address land issues and if there is no amendment in the Constitution to create them. Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- > > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > > > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create > an EO. And > > > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > > > > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of > circumventing the > > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > > reached before the issuance of them. > > > > Jamieson > > > > An Executive Order is a military term. All military > establishments have a board > when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. > and 2. The XO's > Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It > happened just after > the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer > had a consensus to > conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, > declared martial law and > began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. > Jim Norman > I think you're correct Jim, in that technically we've been under martial since then. It's been my understanding that an EO written by the President has to be qualified in some way by members (maybe a subcommittee perhaps) of Congress. If the EO is enacted it is the law for six months and then Congress meets to decide if the EO should be continued. The problem I feel is allot can happen in six months for which no one can do anything about. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Fellow Lollards: In a message dated 99-04-15 13:02:08 EDT, you write: << "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" >> There is much to say here, but I hope to begin by contributing a post that I wrote to another online group. My following comments spawned from another group member's opinions on the Constitution. Knowing that the mention of the "Learned Elder's" Protocols will receive the harangue of some within this list, I have still decided to forward CTRL my post-- as I know that I have researched and validated the information contained therein to my own satisfaction. There is no Constitution. It has been suspended for some 66 years. Still muttering, Tsadowq xx As far as Constitutional Mythology, the only real myth is that the Constitution is even in use today. The fact of the matter is that this country has been kept in a "state of emergency" for the last 66 years. "Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of Declared National Emergence." -Senate Report 93-549 (1973) The War Powers granted to Roosevelt in 1933, were not unlike those given to Hitler under Article 48. Many of us are already aware of the fact that it is the War Powers which empower the President to continue doing the round-about with the remaining two "balances of power". This is as well, what keeps the Presidents from rescinding the state of emergency. We should sincerely ask why any President would voluntarily abdicate the authority and broad sweeping power that now lies in his hands-- by means of keeping America in a continued state of emergency-- which perpetuates the continuation of the War Powers themselves. When reading below, keep in mind that it is through these same War Powers that the Executive Orders are signed. Secondly, when reading the Senate Report below, it is clearly established why Presidents--while not given authority to declare war without Congress by the Constitution-- have continually gotten away with "assigning military forces abroad" "A majority of the people in the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and govern- mental procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the United States, actions taken by govern- ment in times of great crisis have... in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of National emergency". "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of Ameri- can citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to normal constitutional process." "Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property, organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens." cont'd -- Senate Report 93-549 (1973) That sure looks familiar...Where have we read that before? "Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war." -- Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion PROTOCOL 10.13 Of course, if Americans *knew* that they weren't actually "free", they would not keep on snatching up brand new $150.00 VCRs manufactured from MFN China's sweat shops. If Americans were to actually see through their pseudo freedom, then the flow of revenue from Mystery Babylon's cash cow (America) would no longer provide liquidity to fund Communism (read:International Fabian Socialism) all over the world. What will truly suprise the capitalistic Mystery School Adepts, is when the Communist beast which was once a tool in their Megolomaniac belt, wrenches itself free from their unseen hand of history, and rises up to destroy the Great Whore which has been riding on it's/their back. The Constitution was NEVER intended to insure the freedom of men; nor was it designed to keep a free Republic. Anyone who has truly studied the completely ambiguous language of the Constitution itself, knows that the document-- while appearing to reserve anchor points of immutable Rights for "it's" people, actually becomes a quagmire of
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 04/15/1999 1:44:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. >> Well, Richard Nixon used one to stop the Western ranchers and sheep herders from putting out cyanide baits on public land. The method being used was rather wiping out the entire food chain, not to mention the dogs belonging to the forest rangers. No problem though. I'm sure they've found other means to wipe out wildlife. I must say, however, that I've never heard such a furor over executive orders as I have lately. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And > > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" > > I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the > US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume > makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing > one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many > "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would > likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain > "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) > reached before the issuance of them. > > Jamieson > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. Jim Norman DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- JFK according to Jim Marrs.had on his desk a signed Executive Action Order which would have caused the Federal Reserve System to shudder - it was alleged when his father was told by his son what he was going to do, his father said "They will kill youthey will never let you do that"..and they did.the day he signed this order, he was on his way to Dallas. Read Jim Marrs book; Mr. Marrs wrote to me once in a letter, that he believed John Wilkes Booth escaped that barn that dayand I believe he is right - or at least, I hope he wasas for Alexander Hamilton being killed by Aaron Burr - one of my ancestors was a Pierpont and married into that family, and it was Burr who killled Hamilton, because Hamilton was in on this federal reserve system. Now, I am going from memory here; but really, check out Jim Marrs bookwell worth reading anything he writesmovie JFK written by Marrs (or book based on) goes into the history of the crime; but today, we see and are beginning to see the master plan of the crime unfold. colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- > "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing > else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And > until there is these EOs are NULL & VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
