Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
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Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Jun 01, at 2:21, Aleisha Saba wrote: At the time I kept remembering this Mormon family I knew, and liked, who were John Birch and hoarded wheat and honey.who told me the state of Israel would be blown to hell and back by 5 countries, etc. John Birch and his latter day followers, were alarmists, IMHO. I know JBS. My father was chapter leader for several years. They had a dual nature, onto Secret Societies on one hand, embracing rightwing Republican politics on the other. I think the CIA took them over long ago. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- This is what I thought Steve re CIA - to join is one thing, but to infiltrate is another. Things change though. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: The only thing I do not like about them is this: They wrote me once to say I descended from Demons and Satan I suddenly have a much higher opinion of the Mormons June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Now Edward Fitzgerald translated the Rubyait of Omar Kayamm.Gerald of Og married the Persian Princess nesta, whose father was King Nestor - it is recorded in records that one of the three wise men was ancestor of Nesta/Nestor. A! There are Nestors on my mother's side Perhaps we're related, Aleisha ;-) June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- June, I do not believe you realize the theology, or religion of the mormon church. You made one comment which is very wrong in both fact and logic-- Mormonism, while basing some of its tenets on Christ, is a religion separate from Christianity, just like Christianity is separate from Judaism, even though it has its roots in Judaism...calling an anti-Mormon post anti-Christian makes as much sense as saying someone who bashes the Catholic Church is antisemitic... It is NOT a religion separate from Christianity, and your analogy of Catholic antisemitic is very much off base - it does not apply. You must go back and read my post more carefully - I DID NOT call an anti-Mormon post anti-Christian, WHAT I SAID WAS: Seems like the author's name of this viscous trash is psychotic, or anti-Christian, or religion-hater, or something similar. I used the same sentence structure and format as the original poster. But now that you bring up the old saw about Mormons not being Christian, may I simply remind you that the name of their church is: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. So please don't tell the world that Mormonism, while basing some of its tenets on Christ, is a religion separate from Christianity - That statement is simply not true, and it is wrong to say so. The main point of my post IN THE FIRST PLACE, is-- WHY AN ANTI MORMON POST? Why bash a religion? Why out of a clear sky bring this up? What's the motivation? I covered all these questions, and strangeness of the anti- Mormon post when I first wrote. Nobody seems to be addressing the question of why would someone, unprovoked, wish to post an anti -ANY RELIGION message in the first place? Is there NOTHING more important to concern ourselves with on this group? Have we NO national or world problems? Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Aleisha, but I think you are mistaken on this one: The only thing I do not like about them is this: They wrote me once to say I descended from Demons and Satan as in their Archives they claim the Plantagenets and Fitzgeralds descend from same - like bright morning stars? The mormon church does not send information to individuals, does not contact people through the mails. I have never heard any of the four references above, from the mormon church, regarding people descending from them, and the 2 families named. At one time there was a REORGANIZED Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (It has since changed names). I am not aware of any of those references coming from them, either. Could you possibly still have the letter or materials that were sent? It would be interesting to see where they really came from. Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- BB - I wrote that letter back in 1969 when I pulled our family tree and this very old bible out of the attic. There were documents some sealed with the royal crown (signet ring) and family tree. The tree was on my mother's side, and on my father's side it just went to the Fitzgerald's in Limerick and County Clare - snd she stopped for line already established then. So at the time I was interested in the Fitzgerald Curse, the one of which my grandmother Fitzgerald was fearful.it was a triple whammy. At the time I kept remembering this Mormon family I knew, and liked, who were John Birch and hoarded wheat and honey.who told me the state of Israel would be blown to hell and back by 5 countries, etc. I never paid too much to this stuff then. But later, in 1968 I did and in particular when I brought down this information which had been in my attic for over 10 years after the death of my mother. So I had read of the Mormon Temple with all these records on families in caves...this is no doubt how the family tree of Reagan (descended from Brian Boru, something like that), George Bush and his family tree, and yet they remained silent about one of the greatest lines in history, JFK...the Kennedy line I know little of this one, but the Fitzgeralds I knew the legends and the curse and it ws then I thought of the curse of the Fitzgeralds... So it is a biblical curse and a triple whammymy friend in MI6 said Kennedy's being punished for something that happened over 500 years ago. So at this time and this is 30 some years ago, I wrote to the Mormon Church using the address in this Mormon Bible. They responded and sent me information from their archives which appeared to be from an encyclopedia - and it was there they reported the Plantagenets descended from Satan, and the Fitzgeralds from demons. I thought what a crock; for you see I believed that Sirhan Sirhan knew of this family curse - and it is in Job in the bible - for in his diary, he called RFK Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy, but his middle name of Francis.he said his gun good for shooting dogs.. The biblical Fitzgerald is symbolized by King Og in the biblehe was murdered by Moses.in the psalms you find what a great man Og was but also, Gerald of Og was first Fitzgerald and were Kings and fought for title of Al Ri ( this was recorded in book by Earl of Wycliffe, was a paper back). Now Edward Fitzgerald translated the Rubyait of Omar Kayamm.Gerald of Og married the Persian Princess nesta, whose father was King Nestor - it is recorded in records that one of the three wise men was ancestor of Nesta/Nestor. Sirhan's father claimed Sirhan, this short not king size creep, (Og was huge man) - his father claimed Sirhan came from big family dating back 1000 years - now the Assassins - reporters thought Sirhan may have been member of this hypnotic controlled assassins cult, descending from Hassan, the Old Man in the Mountain, who lived in the Eagle's Nest - Bill Shannon just put out blurp on them. Mormon Church at this time had been invaded by John Birch Society and the Birch Society had put out some stuff at the time, that I did not like re the Kennedy family and I thought it strange they they kept these records. Times change - I probably have this information here somewhere, but believe me I have over 1,000 books, and suitcases and files which are stored - some records stolen and destroyed when my house broken into back in 1970 early part .. Note - the Bush Family and the royal connections; most people did not keep family records, but Rosicrucians do I imagine. So someone heaped a lot of trouble on the Kennedy family and one should consider Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy was a Princess in the Catholic Church. The Cardinal at JFK funeral lost control and quoted from the 68th psalm I think it was - where he said Jack, may the angels take charge over thee - the psalm which is also part of a psalm from Hymn to Atun as I recall - but it is 68th or 91st psalm. For it is all about religion and what I have is a Master Plan for Murder and the conspirators use the bible...and my old MI6 friend said wht better book to use, for she understood what I had. Now Black Knights and White Knights - those messed up with JFK murder used names from a chess board - a Mr. King, Mr. Bishop, Mr., Knight.Gideon Bibles, and the 400 or 300 which ever which way that goes - it is all planned and JFK was not to have been elected. Might add during this time in the 60 period you had Ireland doing great battle - Ian Paisley the hatemonger preaching from his pulpit hatred of the Catholics - and there are two Armagh counties, one in Ireland and in Holy Land where the great battles are alleged to be fought. Ezekial 38 and 39 is key to JFK murder...and Daniel - even Jack Ruby used this codoe. At the time I was curious what this church would say about my family - but this is wht they sent. Astrologers
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Jun 01, at 1:34, Aleisha Saba wrote: The only thing I do not like about them is this: They wrote me once to say I descended from Demons and Satan as in their Archives they claim the Plantagenets and Fitzgeralds descend from same - like bright morning stars? Maybe the Mormons are onto something after all. ;) Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- Mormons took a spot of land nobody else wanted, and together made it a thriving community much to the envy of some say, the Masonic order; however, from all indications Joseph Smith was a Mason. He looked like Michael Wilding in this one picture I have; however the thing that I have always questioned - why did Sir Arthur Conan Coyle in his books knock the Mormons, the Mafia, and the KKK? To the exclusion of others? Well in tht time frame the KKK was at its peak keeping in mind the original KKK formed as a protective order, and was ordered to call it quits by General Nathan Bedford Forrest when a criminal element begane to creep in - so they go to sleep, hibernating until their country needs them and they also controlled the more radical - it is control or destroy from all indications. Not for Self, but Others.. Money - this is why Mormons were persecuted and Smith murdered - somebody did not want the competition and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a Catholic. Once I did a composite picture of what Jack the Ripper could be and it came up Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. He was a doctor, as some thought the Ripper was; he was a writer and dwelling in areas where nobody of the day had knowledge, and the Ripper was a writer of many letters - some under obvious control of drugs; and, they said the Ripper was insane - Sir Arthur's father had been put into Sunnybrook, for he was insane and I have a book of his pictures - huge birds, and little people and Sir Arthur believed in the little people too, and got into all kinds of weird stuff. Strangest story, his wife was very ill, maybe TB do not remember; yet, he took her out one damp cold night and it is alleged she died from this trip and it was thought by some, he did it delibrately? He killed off Sherlock Holmes - and Holmes of course, used opium or cocaine; presumably Sir Arthur did and so did Jack the Ripper if read his material it is obvious. So why did Sherlock Holmes warn of the Destroying Angels of the Mormon Church, and their Danites?He seemed to have a lot of knowledge in this area. Anyone can the Mormons take their rituals, etc., right out of the bible - even to the marrying of many wives..wonder if the wives ever married a lot of men? So interesting item; never could go for Mormon religion but in the 60 period the John Birch Society invaded this Church but then, so did some others I know who had infiltrated the democrat party associated with NEA. Need to destroy the Mormon Church - see Oren Hatch, for he has a good thing going out there. Saba Did the Church of England fear the Mormon Church was getting too much power ??? They have been given a Charter to operate by US Government and it was said that this was to be the Church of America. Today the Mormon Church protects the boy scouts from Gay Pride and without a doubt would do great battle resurrection the Destroying Angels should they trod on their toes.. They found their promised land led by their Moses, and became a threat. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, BB wrote: Yes, what WAS the name of that doctor?? This well informed intelligentsia never did say, or recall. There are NO mormon towns. He assaulted and raped almost the entire female population - yup, that sure sounds likely. Sounds like a scene from Don Giovanni. Point of fact, the TV newsmagazine 60 Minutes DID have a report some years back on a doctor who DID do just what was described...sexually assaulted and possibly even raped a goodly number of women in his care... I don't remember anything about the Mormon church being mentioned, but I couldn't in all honestly say that it WASN'T mentioned, either...as I said, it was some years back. What I DO remember is that the women who were assaulted and raped seemed incredibly naive when it came to sexual matters...the sense I got from the report was that the doctor was astute in assessing which of his patients were naive and trusting and wouldn't speak up if they felt uncomfortable with a 'procedure'women who were more 'wordly' who'd gone to this doctor reported he either never tried anything with them, or if they did they nipped it right in the bud and never went back to him...unfortunately, most of these women who recognized that 'something wasn't right' and went to another doctor didn't report this first doctor... And the way he got away with it was to place a curtain over the women, so that they couldn't actually SEE what he was doing...they just felt 'something' being stuck into them which the doctor told them was a type of 'medical instrument'... The naive women didn't question that statement, even though they felt extremely uncomfortable with the procedure, both physically and emotionally...they'd been raised not to question authority figures, which included doctors...basically it was if the doctor says it's okay it must be okay, who am I to say it's wrong?... Oh yeah, fox, or wolf, or something yeah, what WAS his famous name? Seems like the author's name of this viscous trash is psychotic, or anti-Christian, or religion-hater, or something similar. Mormonism, while basing some of its tenets on Christ, is a religion separate from Christianity, just like Christianity is separate from Judaism, even though it has its roots in Judaism...calling an anti-Mormon post anti-Christian makes as much sense as saying someone who bashes the Catholic Church is antisemitic... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, BB wrote: Now, you KNOW that I never suggested anything, so don't try the putting words in my fingers gambit. The overriding question here is not whether religion is above reproach, but WHY someone would just come out of the woodwork with a viscously anti-religion post. I didn't interpret the post as being anti-religion but anti a SPECIFIC religion. Big difference. June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: He looked like Michael Wilding in this one picture I have; however the thing that I have always questioned - why did Sir Arthur Conan Coyle in his books knock the Mormons, the Mafia, and the KKK? To the exclusion of others? I presume you are really referring to the author of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan DOYLE? If so, in what writings did he refer to the 3 above-mentioned groups? Strange that he would write about the mafia, when the mafia as such didn't even exist in Doyle's day...and especially didn't exist under the name 'mafia'...the closest you can come in Doyle's day is The Black Hand... In Doyle's day, organized crime was more likely to be run by gangs of other ethnicities than Italian...foremost were the Irish, in both England and the U.S., followed by gangs of Jewish/Eastern European background in the U.S., primarily in the big eastern U.S. cities... You could also find organized crime gangs of Portuguese in New England at the turn of the century, and also gangs whose backgrounds were German and gangs composed of Swedes... Organized crime gangs of Italian descent didn't start gaining ascendency in the U.S. until after the turn of the 20th century, mostly in the teens. It was Prohibition in the 20s which really gave the Italian gangs their foothold, and only in the U.S., since Great Britain never outlawed alcoholic beveragesso one would have to wonder about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's supposedly writing about the American Mafia... Money - this is why Mormons were persecuted and Smith murdered - somebody did not want the competition and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was a Catholic. Actually, he was a Spiritualist... Once I did a composite picture of what Jack the Ripper could be and it came up Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Yeah. Right. More likely one of your ancestors... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- FORMER MORMON CONFIRMS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE MORMON CHURCH [snip] Name withheld While I'm no fan of the Mormon church, I always take anonymous allegations with a grain of salt... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- FORMER MORMON CONFIRMS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE MORMON CHURCH [snip] Name withheld While I'm no fan of the Mormon church, I always take anonymous allegations with a grain of salt... I've heard far more serious allegations which were well documented. What was the name of that Doctor, there was a true-crime-cheap-thrill novel about him, who worked in a Mormon town for years. He sexually assaulted and in many cases raped almost the entire female population of the town, young or old, yet the Mormon Elders not only did nothing but covered up the numerous allegations that were brought to them. The reason he was so succesful for so long is that many Mormon women are very ignorant about sex, and are trained not to question the men of the community at all. I think his name might have been Fox or Wolf or something similar. _ Get your own FREE allofyourgodsaredead.com Email account at... http://www.evilemail.com http://allofyourgodsaredead.com - Someone had to tell you. _ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
'What's the Dif'? Perhaps there's a library in your town, you might avail yourself of its facilities, and educate yourself somewhat in these matters. It's not true that the Baptists molested all those young girls in that town. No, the priests and nuns do not sleep together. It's a lie that they found all those newborn babies buried in the Catholic Convent basement... WHEN will the numbskulls who write this garbage EVER LEARN? And when will the fools who read it and believe it realize that these psychotics are sick, and are doing these things simply to divide Americans any way they can. This supposed female viscously lies in her pitiful quotation of the "ritual." "She" hasn't a clue about which "she" speaks. "Her" husband running off after one month says alot about her role as a wife and woman. Yes, "David" is a truth teller all right - and so is "Name Withheld." A most credible witness, to air "her" dirty laundry, in a venue such as this, anonymously. What a heroic American. Friends, don't fall for this hogwash. It's junk. Concentrate on our real problems. William Shannon wrote: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html FORMER MORMON CONFIRMS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE MORMON CHURCH I have been reading the articles about the Mormon church on David's site and I just wanted to tell you that you are definitely on the right track. I was raised Mormon here in Fairbanks, Alaska. I was married in the Salt Lake Temple in April 1980. The ceremonies, word for word, were exactly the same as the Masonic rituals. I especially was disgusted by the part of the ritual where I was told that my husband would have to "bring me into heaven" - I could not get there by myself, no matter how good I was. My husband ran off with an underage hooker one month after we returned from the temple, and informed me that I must remain married to him, because he wanted to be able to "get some" from me any time he was bored with the hooker. The church told me, when I complained to them, that I must do as he said, and that I could not divorce him. Well, I knew where the court house was, so I got my divorce, anyway and left the church in the dust. Since that time, I have investigated several organized religions, and have decided that I am a spiritual person, but not a religious one. Tell David to keep on telling the truth! Name withheld
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, yeah, name withheld. Of course. I wonder, where did this COME from? How did this topic suddenly land on this net? Must be a slow news day. Yes, what WAS the name of that doctor?? This well informed intelligentsia never did say, or recall. There are NO mormon towns. He assaulted and raped almost the entire female population - yup, that sure sounds likely. Sounds like a scene from Don Giovanni. Oh yeah, fox, or wolf, or something yeah, what WAS his famous name? Seems like the author's name of this viscous trash is psychotic, or anti-Christian, or religion-hater, or something similar. Schmidt wrote: -Caveat Lector- FORMER MORMON CONFIRMS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE MORMON CHURCH [snip] Name withheld While I'm no fan of the Mormon church, I always take anonymous allegations with a grain of salt... I've heard far more serious allegations which were well documented. What was the name of that Doctor, there was a true-crime-cheap-thrill novel about him, who worked in a Mormon town for years. He sexually assaulted and in many cases raped almost the entire female population of the town, young or old, yet the Mormon Elders not only did nothing but covered up the numerous allegations that were brought to them. The reason he was so succesful for so long is that many Mormon women are very ignorant about sex, and are trained not to question the men of the community at all. I think his name might have been Fox or Wolf or something similar. _ Get your own FREE allofyourgodsaredead.com Email account at... http://www.evilemail.com http://allofyourgodsaredead.com - Someone had to tell you. _ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
In a message dated 6/17/01 12:30:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are NO "mormon" towns. Hmmm, no Mormon towns eh? Well seems to me that the entire state of Utah is pretty much Mormon and I'd venture to guess that there are a few Mormon towns to be found there no? Are you suggesting that religion is above reproach? Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???
Better check some stats on Utah. And yes, there are NO mormon towns. You're right, it SEEMS to you that the entire state of Utah is "pretty much mormon" - but, check again. You folks are confusing the 1940 movie "Brigham Young", some statements by a "former mormon", the donneybrook regarding some desert town, non mormon polygamists with the reality of 2001 America. What you would LIKE to believe "ain't necessarily so." Now, you KNOW that I never suggested anything, so don't try the "putting words in my fingers" gambit. The overriding question here is not whether religion is above reproach, but WHY someone would just come out of the woodwork with a viscously anti-religion post. William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 6/17/01 12:30:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are NO "mormon" towns. Hmmm, no Mormon towns eh? Well seems to me that the entire state of Utah is pretty much Mormon and I'd venture to guess that there are a few Mormon towns to be found there no? Are you suggesting that religion is above reproach? Bill.
