Re: [CTRL] Eisenhower's Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/30/02 8:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 107th Anniversary of Eisenhower's birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of this American patriot. Senator Robert Dole, in honuor of the Commander of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington's Dulles Airport be renamed the Eisenhower Airport! Not all of us considered Eisenhower so special. What he saw of the American prisoners at the end of the war, and the stacks of bodies in the concentration camps where the Jews were made him very angry. You must understand, he was a general. Most of them are not exactly genius. They tend to be politically conservative, intensely vindictive, and ever concerned with getting to the top. That and a sprinkling of good luck is how they make it to general. Eisenhower was no different than the rest of them. I would think that any kind of empathy or compassion would be detrimental to a military career no matter what the rank. That's probably why they seldom have any. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Holocaust Museum Sued for Memorializing Homosexuals
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Aleisha Saba wrote: Something very strange going on in this country when queers keep pushing their sodomist views on boy scouts and in schools? Any one that has NOT noticed all the television, motion picture, magazine, etc., etc., references to the normalcy and "OK-ness" with the gay life style over the last 18 months, a trend that was virtually ABSENT just a few years ago...well, any one that believes this infusion of "gay pride" into every aspect of the mass media must have been in a coma for the last 2 years! = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for the suggestion, but I've received expert advice that my e-mails are having no impact whatsoever on the bandwith problem. But speaking of time, I'm preparing a reply to a portion of the attack on Fr. Fahey diligently posted by RoadsEnd, and I will need a little more time to get to you. Also, I am able to spend time with beloved, and but thanks for concern. Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 11:48 PM, Peter Vit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Mr. Jim Condit Jr., If you are so busy, why don't you spend your spare time with your beloved and free the bandwidth. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor e ffects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Dear Mr. Jim Condit Jr., If you are so busy, why don't you spend your spare time with your beloved and free the bandwidth. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust[2]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- Man, Roads End, quick research. I'm too bogged down right now to analyze in depth the pscho-babble of the pathetic Jean-Paul Sarte --- but I'll take this up when I post Fr. Fahey's short, concise clear definition of "anti-Semitism." Jim Condit Jr. On Thursday, December 17, 1998 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 --(2)-- We must not confuse this precedence the anti-Semite enjoys by virtue of his principles with individual merit. The anti-Semite is not too anxious to possess individual merit. Merit has to be sought, just like truth; it is discovered with difficulty; one must deserve it. Once acquired, it is perpetually in question: a false step, an error, and it flies away. Without respite, from the beginning of our lives to the end, we are responsible for what merit we enjoy. Now the anti-Semite flees responsibility as he flees his own consciousness, and choosing for his personality the permanence of rock, he chooses for his morality a scale of petrified values. Whatever he does, he knows that he will remain at the top of the ladder; whatever the Jew does, he will never get any higher than the first rung. We begin to perceive the meaning of the anti-Semite's choice of himself. He chooses the irremediable out of fear of being free; he chooses mediocrity out of fear of being alone, and out of pride he makes of this irremediable mediocrity a rigid aristocracy. To this end he finds the existence of the Jew absolutely necessary. Otherwise to whom would he be superior? Indeed, it is vis-a-vis the Jew and the Jew alone that the anti-Semite realizes that he has rights. If by some miracle all the Jews were exterminated as he wishes, he would find himself nothing but a concierge or a shopkeeper in a strongly hierarchical society in which the quality of "true Frenchman" would be at a low valuation, because everyone would possess it. He would lose his sense of rights over the country because no one would any longer contest them, and that profound equality which brings him close to the nobleman and the man of wealth would disappear all of a sudden, for it is primarily negative. His frustrations, which he has attributed to the disloyal competition of the Jew, would have to be imputed to some other cause, lest he be forced to look within himself. He would run the risk of falling into bitterness, into a melancholy hatred of the privileged classes. Thus the anti-Semite is in the unhappy position of having a vital need for the very enemy he wishes to destroy. The equalitarianism that the anti-Semite seeks with so much ardor has nothing in common with that equality inscribed in the creed of the democracies. The latter is to be realized in a society that is economically hier archical, and is to remain compatible with a diversity of functions. But it is in protest against the hierarchy of functions that the anti-Semite asserts the equality of Aryans. He does not understand anything about the division of labor and doesn't care about it. From his point of view each citizen can claim the title of Frenchman, not because he co-operates, in his place or in his occupation, with others in the economic, social, and cultural life of the nation, but because he has, in the same way as everybody else, an imprescriptible and inborn right to the indivisible totality of the country. Thus the society that the anti-Semite conceives of is a society of juxtaposition one can very well imagine, since his ideal of property is that of real and basic property. Since, in point of fact, anti-Semites are numerous, each of them does his part in constituting a community based on mechanical solidarity in the heart of organized society. The degree of integration of each anti-Semite with this society, as well as the degree of his equality, is fixed by what I shall call the temperature of the community. Proust has shown, for example, how anti-Semitism brought the duke closer to his coachman, how, thanks to their hatred of Dreyfus, bourgeois families forced the doors of the aristocracy. The equalitarian society that the anti-Semite believes in is like that of mobs or those instantaneous societies which come into being at a Iynching or during a scandal. Equality in them is the product of the non-differentiation of functions. The social bond is anger; the collectivity has no other goal than to exercise over certain individuals a diffused repressive sanction. Collective impulsions and stereo types are imposed on individuals all the more strongly because none of them is defended by any specialized function. Thus the
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Right, Jerry, I'm not an anti-semite. Here's a test for you: name some criticism of anything the dominant Jewish Lobby is doing that could be criticized without you suspecting the person was an "anti-semite" -- and, my "uncharacteristic" syntax errors come from not double checking everything I write because I'm super busy and often writing these in the middle of the night after I get done a long day's work. But, as Fr. Fahey says, it has long been a tactic to try to associate criticism of anything Jewish with a lack of mental balance, as you have once again demonstrated. Yes, you do need Fr. Fahey to explain to you the difference between anti-Semitism and necessary criticism of movement's which oppose the order of the world, and I will be posting his short passage on that soon, as well as the titles of his books and where to get them. His books are "the" essential reading for conspiracy researchers, in order to get a balance between the relationship between high-level plotting (less of a problem) and the clash of social organisms which have conflicting moral agendas (much more of the cause of unrest in the world). Incidentally, war-monger Clinton has already cravenly put more bombs into Iraq than Bush did according to MSNBC --- this is the first time our beloved America has attacked another country at length when that country had not first invaded or committed aggression against ourselves or someone else. PROOF that America is now under alien occupation at the Federal level. And Clinton declared this war WITHOUT Congressional approval. But I'm sure you couldn't care less about the constitution when it comes to killing for the New World Order and its "most favored" nation, Israel. Have fun . . . . . Jim Condit Jr. On Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:23 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. You're not an anti-Semite? The dictionaries should show your face in the definition space. Incidentally, i don't need Fr. Fahey to tell me what anti- Semitism is since i have seen it all my life and find it disgusting. Your uncharacteristic errors in syntax betrays your blind rage. President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast. Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust[2]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
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In a message dated 12/18/98 10:45:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Man, Roads End, quick research. I'm too bogged down right now to analyze in
depth the pscho-babble of the pathetic Jean-Paul Sarte --- but I'll take
this up when I post Fr. Fahey's short, concise clear definition of
"anti-Semitism." Jim Condit Jr.
Here is some info on your Fr. Fahey. Pathetic, I guess, is in the eye of . .
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an excerpt from:
Shrine of the Silver Dollar
John L. Spivak(C)1940
Modern Age Books
New York, NY
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VII
PHONY PATRIOTS
NAZIS AND COUGHLIN
ON JULY 9, 1938, Vladimir Kositzan, one of the most active Nazi propagandists
in the United States, wrote the following code letter to Ernst Goerner of
Milwaukee, another active Nazi agent: "The seeds are on way to you. More of
the Italian and English available yet. Polish will follow later, from my
Erfurt nursery. I want to get rid of my supplies before my probable
departure."
The "Erfurt nursery" is the press in Erfurt, Germany, where World Service, a
Nazi propaganda organ, is published in various languages for distribution
throughout the world. Nazi ships smuggle this material into the United States
where secret German agents distribute it to groups, organizations and
individual propagandists. The "seeds," of course., were copies of World
Service, printed in the languages Kositzan listed. It was part of Kositzan's
work to keep Goerner supplied with propaganda material and informed of likely
prospects who would help distribute the smuggled literature. Kosit zan was a
sort of wholesaler, while Goerner was one of the numerous agents handling the
retail end.
At the top of his letter to Goerner, Kositzan typed this name and address:
"Miss B. R. Burchett, 3411 Race St., Philadelphia, Pa." and scrawled in
pencil: "Needs material. Mention me. Very active."
July, 1938, was also the period when the Reverend Charles E. Coughlin, who had
already begun disseminating Nazi propaganda issued by the Ministry of
Propaganda in Berlin, launched his extreme anti-Semitic campaign. His efforts
to arouse racial and religious hatred in this country brought immediate
protests, not only from Jews but from high dignitaries of the Catholic church
and prominent Catholic laymen. Several radio stations announced they would not
sell time to the priest unless he submitted his script for advance reading to
see if he was "bearing false witness" as former Governor 'Alfred E. Smith had
publicly charged. When Coughlin would not agree to this "censorship," the
radio stations refused to let him go on the air.
Suddenly groups to defend Coughlin popped up. They called meetings to demand
that he be given his "constitutional rights of free speech." What these groups
were and the leaders' strange tie-ups will be dealt with in this chapter. At
the moment I am interested in Bessie Burchett, formerly head of the department
of foreign languages in the South Philadelphia High School for Girls, the lady
whose name Kositzan had sent to Goerner.
Within a few weeks after the Nazi agent in Milwaukee received Kositzan's
letter, Miss Burchett was on the public platform with Nazi and Silver Shirt
leaders, demanding that Coughlin be returned to the air. Most of her talks,
delivered in an atmosphere of Hitler salutes, were vicious anti-Semitic
diatribes. At no time did she mention how she became involved in Coughlin
defense efforts or that she had received material from Nazi agents.
At about this same period a young man named Edwin Westphall, hungry-looking, a
bit shabby, and down at the heels, 'Managed to eke out an existence by
peddling razor blades to the dinner and theater crowds on Times Square in New
York. Sometimes he made a couple of dollars, but it was hard sledding. Like
most Broadway peddlers, the seedy Mr. Westphall had something quick and alert
about him and he had that gift of gab so necessary if you're going to work the
Broadway population.
Times Square, where Westphall roamed with the coming of night, was being made
a concentration point by distributors of Social Justice. Frequently a Social
Justice peddler and the hawker of razor blades found themselves side by side.
Then one day Westphall disappeared, only to pop up again in the Bronx with new
shoes and new suit, cleanshaven, spick and span--and an authority on the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was indignant about the radio stations
which would not permit Father Coughlin to go on the air. The same glib tongue
that sold razor blades now sold the need of "saving America"--and Coughlin-
through the "Crusaders for Americanism," which was headed by one George A. Van
Nosdall with offices at 126 East 123rd Street, New York City.
From now on we get into a group of closely cooperating men, most of them
native Americans, some of them phonies and others just hopeful of becoming
spies for foreign governments under cover of ultrapatriotic rackets. All of
them, I found, were galvanized into action to defend Coughlin's ("right of
free
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. The UNSCOM inspectors were mapping out the target areas that are now being hit in Iraq--that's why Saddam wanted them out of there. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast.Then why didn't he move before? Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. How is going to be able to call off this massive attack in less than a week and for the entire month of Ramadan? The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. As with the African embassy bombings, the domestic issue actually detracts from the foreign policy issue. Who believes for a minute that this spin about the "WMD" has anything to do with this? It's about oil and keeping a US military presence in the region. The WMDs of the rest of the world don't bother the US. Too bad all this ZOG business obscures that discussion. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- See Fr. Fahey for analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" Christian countries defending themselves against the anti-Christ, Talmudic mentality of the historical dominant leaders of Jewry -- is NOT anti-Semitism. Unjust persecution of individual Jews can be called that (although the word is still too wide and loose because most Arabs are Semites, and most Arabs are against Israel). Of course, the dominant faction of Jewish leaders have always called anyone or anything that challenges any part of their agenda "anti-Semitic." I repeat what I said before on this list: the word anti-Semite lost its sting when the whole media tried to pin it on Buchanan after his victory in New Hampshire in 1996. At that point several tens of millions of Americans thought to themselves, "They're talking about me if they're talking about Buchanan -- and I'm not anti-Semitic. So now David Duke or Hitler himself could come out on the nation's stage, and Ted Koppel and Geraldo could call them anti-Semitic all they wanted and it wouldn't do any good. Sad, but true -- but that's what happens when on group of dishonent info-thugs perverts a word for their own dishonest, propaganda motives. Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:22 AM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust [1]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" here ya go; an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 - Quite the book. First are some excerpts then the entire context. (Chapter 1) Om K --(1)-- Anti-Semitism is not merely the joy of hating: it brines positive pleasures too. By treating the Jew as an inferior and pernicious being, I affirm at the same time that I belong to the elite. This elite, in contrast to those of modern times which are based on merit or labor, closely resembles an aristocracy of birth. There is nothing I have to do to merit my superiority, and neither can I lose it. It is given once and for all. It is a thing. = In this sense anti-Semitism is, in a democracy, a covert form of what is called the struggle of the citizen against authority. Question any one of those turbulent young men who placidly break the law and band together to beat up a Jew in a deserted street: He will tell you that he wants a strong authority to take from him the crushing responsibility of thinking for himself. Since the Republic is weak, he is led to break the law out of love of obedience. But is it really strong authority that he wishes? In reality he demands rigorous order for others, and for himself disorder without responsibility. = We begin to understand that anti-Semitism is more than a mere "opinion" about the Jews and that it involves the entire personality of the anti-Semite. But we have not yet finished with him, for he does not confine himself to furnishing moral and political directives: he has a method of thought and a conception of the world all his own. In fact, we cannot state what he affirms without implicit reference to certain intellectual principles. = Facile talkers speak of a Jewish will to dominate the world. Here again, if we did not have the key, the manifestations of this will would certainly be unintelligible to us. We are told in almost the same breath that behind the Jew lurks international capitalism and the imperialism of the trusts and the munitions makers, and that he is the front man for piratical Bolshevism with a knife between its teeth. There is no embarrassment or hesitation about imputing responsibility for communism to Jewish bankers, whom it would horrify, or responsibility for capitalist imperialism to the wretched Jews who crowd the rue des Rosiers. But everything is made clear if we renounce any expectation from the Jew of a course of conduct that is reasonable and in conformity with his interests, if, instead, we discern in him a metaphysical principle that drives him to do evil under all circumstances, even though he thereby destroy himself. This principle, one may suspect, is magical. On the one hand, it is an essence, a substantial form, and the Jew, whatever he does, cannot modify it, any more than fire, can keep itself from burning. On the other hand, it is necessary in order to be able to hate the Jew--for one does not hate natural phenomena like earthquakes and plagues of locusts--that it also have the virtue of freedom. Only the freedom in question is carefully limited: The Jew is free to do evil. not good; he has only as much free will as is necessary for him to take full responsibility for the crimes of which he is the author; he does not have enough to be able to achieve a reformation. Strange liberty, which instead of preceding and constituting the essence? remains subordinate to it, is only an irrational quality of it, and yet remains liberty. There is only one creature, to my knowledge, who is thus totally free and yet chained to evil; that is the Spirit of Evil himself, Satan. Thus the Jew is assimilable to the spirit of evil. His will, unlike the Kantian will, is one which wills itself purely, gratuitously, and universally to be evil. It is the will to evil. Through him Evil arrives on the earth. All that is bad in society (crises, wars, famines, upheavals, and revolts) is directly or indirectly imputable to him. The anti-Semite is afraid of discovering that the world is ill-contrived, for then it would be necessary for him to invent and modify, with the result that man would be found to be the master of his own destinies, burdened with an agonizing and infinite responsibility. Thus he localizes all the evil of the universe in the Jew. If nations war with each other, the conflict does not arise from the fact that the idea of nationality, in its present form, implies imperialism and the clash of interests. No, it is because the Jew is there? behind the governments, breathing discord. If there is a class struggle, it is not because the economic organization leaves something to be desired: It is because Jewish demagogues, hook-nosed agitators, have seduced the workers. Anti-Semitism is thus
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust[2]Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: analysis of the word "anti-Semitism" an excerpt from: Anti-Semite and Jew - An exploration of the etiology of hate Jean-Paul Sarte George J Becker(translator) Schocken Books(C)1948,1976 New York, NY Paul Morhien(C)1946 Paris, France ISBN 0-8052-1047-4 --(2)-- We must not confuse this precedence the anti-Semite enjoys by virtue of his principles with individual merit. The anti-Semite is not too anxious to possess individual merit. Merit has to be sought, just like truth; it is discovered with difficulty; one must deserve it. Once acquired, it is perpetually in question: a false step, an error, and it flies away. Without respite, from the beginning of our lives to the end, we are responsible for what merit we enjoy. Now the anti-Semite flees responsibility as he flees his own consciousness, and choosing for his personality the permanence of rock, he chooses for his morality a scale of petrified values. Whatever he does, he knows that he will remain at the top of the ladder; whatever the Jew does, he will never get any higher than the first rung. We begin to perceive the meaning of the anti-Semite's choice of himself. He chooses the irremediable out of fear of being free; he chooses mediocrity out of fear of being alone, and out of pride he makes of this irremediable mediocrity a rigid aristocracy. To this end he finds the existence of the Jew absolutely necessary. Otherwise to whom would he be superior? Indeed, it is vis-a-vis the Jew and the Jew alone that the anti-Semite realizes that he has rights. If by some miracle all the Jews were exterminated as he wishes, he would find himself nothing but a concierge or a shopkeeper in a strongly hierarchical society in which the quality of "true Frenchman" would be at a low valuation, because everyone would possess it. He would lose his sense of rights over the country because no one would any longer contest them, and that profound equality which brings him close to the nobleman and the man of wealth would disappear all of a sudden, for it is primarily negative. His frustrations, which he has attributed to the disloyal competition of the Jew, would have to be imputed to some other cause, lest he be forced to look within himself. He would run the risk of falling into bitterness, into a melancholy hatred of the privileged classes. Thus the anti-Semite is in the unhappy position of having a vital need for the very enemy he wishes to destroy. The equalitarianism that the anti-Semite seeks with so much ardor has nothing in common with that equality inscribed in the creed of the democracies. The latter is to be realized in a society that is economically hier archical, and is to remain compatible with a diversity of functions. But it is in protest against the hierarchy of functions that the anti-Semite asserts the equality of Aryans. He does not understand anything about the division of labor and doesn't care about it. From his point of view each citizen can claim the title of Frenchman, not because he co-operates, in his place or in his occupation, with others in the economic, social, and cultural life of the nation, but because he has, in the same way as everybody else, an imprescriptible and inborn right to the indivisible totality of the country. Thus the society that the anti-Semite conceives of is a society of juxtaposition one can very well imagine, since his ideal of property is that of real and basic property. Since, in point of fact, anti-Semites are numerous, each of them does his part in constituting a community based on mechanical solidarity in the heart of organized society. The degree of integration of each anti-Semite with this society, as well as the degree of his equality, is fixed by what I shall call the temperature of the community. Proust has shown, for example, how anti-Semitism brought the duke closer to his coachman, how, thanks to their hatred of Dreyfus, bourgeois families forced the doors of the aristocracy. The equalitarian society that the anti-Semite believes in is like that of mobs or those instantaneous societies which come into being at a Iynching or during a scandal. Equality in them is the product of the non-differentiation of functions. The social bond is anger; the collectivity has no other goal than to exercise over certain individuals a diffused repressive sanction. Collective impulsions and stereo types are imposed on individuals all the more strongly because none of them is defended by any specialized function. Thus the person is drowned in the crowd, and the ways of thinking and reacting of the group are of a purely primitive type. Of course, such collectivities do not spring solely from anti-Semitism; an uprising, a crime, an injustice can cause them to break out suddenly. But those are ephemeral formations which soon vanish without leaving any trace. Since anti-Semitism survives the great crises of Jew hatred, the society which the
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. You're not an anti-Semite? The dictionaries should show your face in the definition space. Incidentally, i don't need Fr. Fahey to tell me what anti- Semitism is since i have seen it all my life and find it disgusting. Your uncharacteristic errors in syntax betrays your blind rage. President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast. Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- I was going to let this batch slide but this post is to good to pass up. "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 04:57 PM 12/11/98 -0700, Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried to stay out of this discussion about Anne Frank and the Holocaust. For me, the debate is over. I have yet to figure out why people are even questioning if the Holocaust happened or not. Assuming your question is serious, let me propose an answer. The formulation of your statement betrays your acceptance -- perhaps unconscious, perhaps willing -- of a cunning sophistry. That sophistry incorporates two elements: 1) that "the Holocaust" is an "event"; and 2.) that there exist evil, awful people who question or "deny" this "event. "The Holocaust" is NOT an event. It is: a. ) a neologism -- term that came into use only in the late 1960's around the time that President Carter created a "Presidential Commission on The Holocaust". It may be a neologism. So what? It could be a new word describing a new event. That it was an event is undeniable. That it is a neologism is moronic because the word is 3000 years old. That you are ignorant, is obvious. b.) a metaphor (i.e, "like a holocaust") c.) an interpretation, specifically an interpretation of early to mid twentieth century history from the perspective of organized Jewry, the Soviet Bloc, international Communism, or perhaps all of them together. What the hell are you babbling about here? d.) a "term of art" - the meaning of which is something other than the exact literal meaning of the word itself. The meaning of "term of art" is generally specified and controlled by the "artist" who created it. If one accepts a term of art, one must accept ALL of the meanings that the artist assigns to the term of art. The meanings are not subject to debate or alteration. The only " artist " here is you. A term is art is NOT "common currency" for dialogue. The term of art, "the Holocaust" incorporates a very broad and encompassing set of meanings. No it doesn't. It has a very specific meaning. But being an ignorant bigot, you don't know what it is. Some of the meanings that may be included in "the Holocaust" convey unmistakable suggestions of ethnic, religious, and national origin bigoty. For example, "Holocaust" literature characterizes Germans as inherently and genetically predisposed to "anti-Semitism" and "white supremacy". (See Danial Goldhagen's "Ordinary Germans: Hitler's Willing Executioners") Well it did happen there didn't it? It didn't happen in Bantustan. "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Catholics, Lutherans and others indicted by such purported "meanings" of "the Holocaust" reject such unnuendo and view it as a untruthful and dishonest slander. Gee what a surprise. I wonder why? Those that promote "the Holocaust" are viewed, not as arguing "facts", but as promoting hateful and dishonest stereotypes. And those that deny the holocaust are pathetic guilt ridden cowards who would rather try to lie their way out of feeling guilt than resolving the guilt. If you wish to assert that "the Holocaust happened", and mean by that that all Germans, Austrians, Swiss, French, Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, etc, are collectively guilty of all war crimes of WW II, then those you chose to condemn are going to reject your construction of whatever you mean by "the Holocaust". DBC And many do. Unfortunately for them it doesn't change anything. What happened in Europe will stain those cultures for ever. I think it's a good thing for the guilty to feel guilt. Maybe they won't do it again. Nah! Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 10:56 AM 12/12/98 -0700, Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - - - snip - - - I did not say or imply that "all Germans, Austrians, Swiss, French, Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, etc., are collectively guilty of all war crimes of WW II." That is your interpretation. Hilary I never said that YOU said or implied the collective guilt of the enumerated parties. I said that the enumerated parties perceive "the Holocaust" to be a conscious and premeditated campaign to insinuate or overtly assign guilt to them. How do you know this? Have you spoken to all of these people? If you don't think that is the case, then YOU have got some missionary work to do to convince the enumerated parties that the "the Holocaust" isn't just a campaign of psychological aggression intended to shame or humiliate them into acceding to someone else's political agenda. DBC I think it's an excellent campaign of psychological aggression. And it appears to be working. But you know, psychological aggression doesn't hold a candle to mass murder. Just off the top of my head I would guess that the murder of 12,000,000 people is m yes I'll say it. It's worse than making the guilty feel guilt. There, I've really stepped out on this one. Listen stupid. There are people on this list so much more sophisticated than you that you seem like a cartoon. This material has been gone over by much more intelligent racists than you and your material is not of the same quality. See if you can peddle this shit on the KKK site. They are about your speed. Have a lovely day, Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are helping to create and are playing in a dialectic freeway built by the cryptocracy to kill and subjugate you. Do You understand? Om K In a message dated 12/12/98 9:02:30 AM, you wrote: And so is this sufficient justification for you to hate all Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Ukranians, French, Italians, Spaniards, indigenous Europeans, Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, conservatives, patriotic persons, anti-Communists, and anti-Bolsheviks? Yes, Kris, I think he *does* understand very well. He's trying to bait us, to draw us into the kind of bottomless quagmire the Nazi wannabes and Identity types nearly pulled the list into earlier this year. I think he is fully aware that he's working for the Oligarchy. What he may have forgotten, of course, is that the Oligarchy doesn't give a fart in a windstorm for its servants... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Ignorance and provocation - the similarities of events now and '20s '30s pre WWII is eerie. Om K In a message dated 12/14/98 10:07:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kris, I think he *does* understand very well. He's trying to bait us, to draw us into the kind of bottomless quagmire the Nazi wannabes and Identity types nearly pulled the list into earlier this year. I think he is fully aware that he's working for the Oligarchy. What he may have forgotten, of course, is that the Oligarchy doesn't give a fart in a windstorm for its servants... Bob - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance and provocation - the similarities of events now and '20s '30s pre WWII is eerie. Om K In a message dated 12/14/98 10:07:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kris, I think he *does* understand very well. He's trying to bait us, to draw us into the kind of bottomless quagmire the Nazi wannabes and Identity types nearly pulled the list into earlier this year. I think he is fully aware that he's working for the Oligarchy. What he may have forgotten, of course, is that the Oligarchy doesn't give a fart in a windstorm for its servants... Amen. To drive home the similarities between right now and the years just before the rise of Hitler, check out the *Diaries* of Count Harry Kessler, a diplomat/philanthropist/left-of-center activist who documented some amazing insights into the immensely paradoxical everyday life of Germany during that time. As Thomas Jefferson remarked in a slightly different context, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust]]
-Caveat Lector- At 09:17 PM 12/14/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance and provocation - the similarities of events now and '20s '30s pre WWII is eerie. Om K In a message dated 12/14/98 10:07:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kris, I think he *does* understand very well. He's trying to bait us, to draw us into the kind of bottomless quagmire the Nazi wannabes and Identity types nearly pulled the list into earlier this year. I think he is fully aware that he's working for the Oligarchy. What he may have forgotten, of course, is that the Oligarchy doesn't give a fart in a windstorm for its servants... Amen. To drive home the similarities between right now and the years just before the rise of Hitler, check out the *Diaries* of Count Harry Kessler, a diplomat/philanthropist/left-of-center activist who documented some amazing insights into the immensely paradoxical everyday life of Germany during that time. As Thomas Jefferson remarked in a slightly different context, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." Bob Anyone read The Ominous Parallels by Peikoff? Barb = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: I have some heavy homework assignments, so I may be slow replying Yet who or what do you think was responsable for the Holocaust? I am beginning to have a better idea of what propoganda they were fed while behind the iron wall. Laura aka The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust -Caveat Lector- You sure project your personal feelings to many people you haven't even spoken too. Straight dweebism. What's your agenda? Om K In a message dated 12/12/98 8:14:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said that YOU said or implied the collective guilt of the enumerated parties. I said that the enumerated parties perceive "the Holocaust" to be a conscious and premeditated campaign to insinuate or overtly assign guilt to them. If you don't think that is the case, then YOU have got some missionary work to do to convince the enumerated parties that the "the Holocaust" isn't just a campaign of psychological aggression intended to shame or humiliate them into acceding to someone else's political agenda. DBC Damian, In your conversations, there are two themes that continue to emerge - that of guilt also phrased as shame or humiliation, and secondly, that very shame being used as leverage to force an individual to do something. Much has been written on the psychological aftermath concerning what happened in W.W.II in Europe as with other wars and conquered peoples. As an American, I experience this phenomena steming from what happened to the indigenous people and the black community (slavery) and it will still be many generations before all of these issues are finally resolved. Events of this magnitude take centuries to resolve within a culture - even longer if the "injured" people remain isolated from the larger community. I grew up outside of Washington, D.C. (where there are many large black communities) and I now live in the Southwest near several Indian reservations. The communities are different - the dynamics are the same. I have seen extreme behavior on both sides (white and non-white) in coping with these dynamics. These behaviors from the white population range from shouldering the entire "blame" and loosing themselves in platitudes and servitude to militant opposition and blatant hate campaigns. The behaviors I've observed from the non-white population range from submission with deep resentment and hatred to playing on the guilty feelings some have and trying to get "away" with everything they possibly can. These extreme behaviors will continue until a balance, or rather, as resolution is finally reached. The decision on the Anne Frank diary is likely an extreme move - a cultural adjustment. There have been many prior to this and there will be many more. It may not be to your liking - in which case write your letters of protest however, from a larger perspective it is a predictable and inevitable course of action by a society attempting to find equilibrium. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]11:22 Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply from Laura Before you get emotional or try to use the labels that your teachers gave you read this. This is the first part, the second part will have to wait for the holidays. http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/EducationReligionandPropoganda.htm Even if you do not read this to talk about the Holocaust without talking about the time period before WW1 and the time during WW1 is irresponsible and simply shows that you are willing to follow what ever propaganda they are willing to feed you at this time. Kind of like the followers of Marcus Garvey from the 1920's. Though you could also check out the 1902, Ida Tarbell, Mc Clure's Magazine, muckrakers, and Standard Oil. There are some on this list that try to find out why and others that talk about the results without trying to find out why. You seem to fall into the emotional, talk about what happened to me area. Could you try to figure out why it happened or are you going to grouse and let you children figure out why it happened - If they are allowed! Laura aka The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Laura Shipton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust -Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]11:22 Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply from Laura Before you get emotional or try to use the labels that your teachers gave you read this. This is the first part, the second part will have to wait for the holidays. http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/EducationReligionandPropoganda.htm Even if you do not read this to talk about the Holocaust without talking about the time period before WW1 and the time during WW1 is irresponsible and simply shows that you are willing to follow what ever propaganda they are willing to feed you at this time. Kind of like the followers of Marcus Garvey from the 1920's. Though you could also check out the 1902, Ida Tarbell, Mc Clure's Magazine, muckrakers, and Standard Oil. There are some on this list that try to find out why and others that talk about the results without trying to find out why. You seem to fall into the emotional, talk about what happened to me area. Could you try to figure out why it happened or are you going to grouse and let you children figure out why it happened - If they are allowed! Laura aka The Pied Piper Laura, I just read several sections on your website. I now find your request of me "Before you get emotional or try to use the labels that your teachers gave you read this," very interesting. As the few pages I read on your site covered a wide range of topics, I am unsure exactly what you wanted me to read up on to educated myself before having an intelligent conversation on a subject which I can see you have spend a considerable amount of time researching. Perhaps you can enlighten me in this matter. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/11/98 10:16:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a. ) a neologism -- term that came into use only in the late 1960's around the time that President Carter created a "Presidential Commission on The Holocaust". Your own sophistry is clear enough, a long structured series that adds up to obfuscation. Fortunately for us, your ignorance is glaring. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- At 03:53 AM 12/12/98 -0600, Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Between 1992-94, I visited several of the camps (Buchenwald, Flossenburg, La Struthof) and I assure you they're there. Some are kept in almost original condition so when a person enters, he or she can get the "feeling". - - - snip - - - And so is this sufficient justification for you to hate all Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Ukranians, French, Italians, Spaniards, indigenous Europeans, Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, conservatives, patriotic persons, anti-Communists, and anti-Bolsheviks? DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Begging your pardon, I have just reread the post I sent initially and I don't read anything about "hate", especially when it comes to the groups you've listed. I hope it is clear that when I respond to a posting, I do not necessarily endorse the parts I repost for reference (it's hard for others to keep the the thread without some reminders). The part I did include referred to someone's uncle having photographs of the aftermath of WW2 and whether the accompanying events ever happened. I was merely sharing MY experience of their actual existence, something the Europeans (and others) take VERY seriously. They are actually pretty chilling places to experience. If not taken seriously and not meant to be chilling, they'd have razed the bunch of them long ago. I hope there is no confusion about email protocol wherein the replies usually have some punctuation preceeding the original post(s) to indicate newer from older ... Perhaps you can clarify what there was to warrant a response to the effect of "And so is this sufficient justification for you to hate ..." I welcome your elucidation. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- : From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust : Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1969 6:00 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : At 03:53 AM 12/12/98 -0600, Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : -Caveat Lector- : : Between 1992-94, I visited several of the camps (Buchenwald, Flossenburg, : La Struthof) and I assure you they're there. Some are kept in almost : original condition so when a person enters, he or she can get the : "feeling". : : - - - snip - - - : : And so is this sufficient justification for you to hate all Germans, Austrians, : Swiss, Ukranians, French, Italians, Spaniards, indigenous Europeans, : Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, conservatives, patriotic persons, : anti-Communists, and anti-Bolsheviks? : : DBC : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- At 12:13 PM 12/12/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- You are helping to create and are playing in a dialectic freeway built by the cryptocracy to kill and subjugate you. Do You understand? Om K Well, I ...uh... umm Gosh! ... er... ah... ummm uh... I dunno! DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- At 10:56 AM 12/12/98 -0700, Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - - - snip - - - I did not say or imply that "all Germans, Austrians, Swiss, French, Catholics, Lutherans, Christians, etc., are collectively guilty of all war crimes of WW II." That is your interpretation. Hilary I never said that YOU said or implied the collective guilt of the enumerated parties. I said that the enumerated parties perceive "the Holocaust" to be a conscious and premeditated campaign to insinuate or overtly assign guilt to them. If you don't think that is the case, then YOU have got some missionary work to do to convince the enumerated parties that the "the Holocaust" isn't just a campaign of psychological aggression intended to shame or humiliate them into acceding to someone else's political agenda. DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Well, some coherentcy and true statements at last. Om K In a message dated 12/12/98 8:14:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I ...uh... umm Gosh! ... er... ah... ummm uh... I dunno! DBC - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- You sure project your personal feelings to many people you haven't even spoken too. Straight dweebism. What's your agenda? Om K In a message dated 12/12/98 8:14:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said that YOU said or implied the collective guilt of the enumerated parties. I said that the enumerated parties perceive "the Holocaust" to be a conscious and premeditated campaign to insinuate or overtly assign guilt to them. If you don't think that is the case, then YOU have got some missionary work to do to convince the enumerated parties that the "the Holocaust" isn't just a campaign of psychological aggression intended to shame or humiliate them into acceding to someone else's political agenda. DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
