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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG, Quite so, the presumption of innocence is the fundamental common law right; You do know that don't you? Wearily. I have never, ever, not once, ever, in any way, shape or form, or in any fashion that might have been able to be construed as such, mentioned a single word about the presumption of innocence. Why dont you read the original posting? Which part confused you? Having said that, I often get myself confused with ET's responses, so you may be forgiven. I suppose. Begrudgingly tho. IG PS If on the other hand you were merely starting an new thread and were only kindly enquiring if I knew about the presumption of innocence, then I can reassure you that, yes, I know all about it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention again. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty? Puzzled a bit by this one. Who said anything about innocent or gulity? Semantics is not a favourite subject, but here we go. --snip-- IG, Go back and read your original comment. It was to the effect that there were no innocent people, only those who were not yet found out. The gist is that the world is full of criminals just waiting to happen. My terrier would rather chase rats than come to me. So I agree, they are good judges. Hope these drugs dogs didn't cock their legs on you tho! Well, all that proves is that your dog sees you as a lesser rat not worth chasing snicker. And, no, those dogs never cocked a leg in my direction. Dogs show respect by deferring to those whom they see as either equals or betters. Dogs don't pee on their friends. In my book, if you ain't under arrest, or being pursued, they you is as legal as legal can be. And no man has any authority to cast doubt upon you without reason. Hold on. In the states, does every arrest lead to a conviction Yippee. I'm on the way!! IG There you go again. Where did I infer that every arrest lead to a conviction? All I said was that if one not under arrest, or under suspicion for an illegal act, that one is free. -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] How many police officers have spotless pasts, whether they were convicted or not? Would you rather form a partnership with non-criminals in your country in opposition to serious crime? Or treat every non-officer like a future perpetrator...and become their enemy? Eh? IG Confused. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty? Puzzled a bit by this one. Who said anything about innocent or gulity? Semantics is not a favourite subject, but here we go. Is a law abiding person one who commits offences without being caught, or one who doesnt commit offences at all? A person knows in their own minds that they are committing offences (like, say, Robert Elmer Kleasen and his li'l old bench saw) is innocent util convicted. NP there. But are they law abiding? Hmmm. I dont personally think they are! They would come to me before they went to their trainer! Dogs are a good judge of character. My terrier would rather chase rats than come to me. So I agree, they are good judges. Hope these drugs dogs didn't cock their legs on you tho! In my book, if you ain't under arrest, or being pursued, they you is as legal as legal can be. And no man has any authority to cast doubt upon you without reason. Hold on. In the states, does every arrest lead to a conviction Yippee. I'm on the way!! IG Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] What constitutes law abiding? Someone never convicted or someone never caught? "E.J. Totty" Your comment above, IG, either demonstrates your mind set, or the manner in which UK cops think of their fellow citizens. In my book, if you ain't under arrest, or being pursued, they you is as legal as legal can be. And no man has any authority to cast doubt upon you without reason. IG, Quite so, the presumption of innocence is the fundamental common law right; "The right which every man has to his character, the value of that character to himself and his family, and the evil consequences that would result to society if charges of guilt were lightly entertained, or readily established in Courts of justice:- these are the real considerations which have led to the adoption of the rule that all imputations of crime must be strictly proved." "Taylor Upon Evidence". "Throughout the web of the English criminal law one golden thread is always to be seen, that it is the duty of the prosecution to prove the prisoner's guilt...No matter what the charge or where the trial, the principle that the prosecution must prove the guilt of the prisoner is part of the common law of England and no attempt to whittle it down can be entertained." Stones Justice's Manual. Preface to 1990 Edition. You do know that don't you? Regards, John Hurst. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] What constitutes law abiding? Someone never convicted or someone never caught? Steve, IG, Whatever happened to the idea of innocent until proven guilty? Your comment above, IG, either demonstrates your mind set, or the manner in which UK cops think of their fellow citizens. In my little stint working as Security Police in the US Navy, at Whidbey Isl. Naval Air Station, I came across that same kind of mind set, several times, both with the Security Police and the local cops and Sheriff Deputies. It was a kind of 'me against them' thing that operated in those minds 24/7. Nobody was innocent, period. I was the outsider, and even more suspect than most, because I refused to play that game. But then, I also ran the Drug Detection unit . . . They had to pee for me. Not necessarily on command, you understand grin. Hell, even the drug detection dogs were my buddies, and their trainers played hell trying to make them mind. They would come to me before they went to their trainer! Dogs are a good judge of character. In my book, if you ain't under arrest, or being pursued, they you is as legal as legal can be. And no man has any authority to cast doubt upon you without reason. -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
