Re: Emacs in Cygwin: (file-exists-p c:/)?
On 11/30/2011 4:08 PM, Tim McDaniel wrote: I dunno whether anyone here know about Emacs, but I thought I would ask. In a previous setup (Windows XP, 32-bit), I believe that running the Emacs function (file-exists-p c:/) produced t. Now, with the latest Cygwin, Windows 7, 64-bit, emacs-version 23.3.1, (file-exists-p c:/) nil (file-exists-p c:\\) nil I notice it because it broke some code, my .emacs startup file to be precise. It was a quick and easy way to check whether it was running under Windows. I have a workaround, (file-exists-p /mnt/c) but that only works because I know that I have changed the drive prefix from /cygdrive to /mnt. Can it be made to work again? Any suggestions on how to tell in Emacs whether I'm running under Windows? I'm not sure what you mean by running under Windows, but I think the variable `system-type' should do whatever you need. For example, I do system-specific customization by putting the following in my .emacs file: (cond ((eq system-type 'cygwin) (load cygwin-init)) ((eq system-type 'windows-nt) (load nt-init)) ((eq system-type 'gnu/linux) (load linux-init))) Ken -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Compiling XEmacs 21.4.17 (was Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ht writes: Or you can compile your own 21.4.17 from source, but this is _not_ a 'straight-out-of-the-box' exercise. If you try this and have trouble, I'll try to dig out my config.status and other notes from the last time I made it all work. I _think_ the rebase problems (google cygwin+xemacs+rebase) have disappeared, but I may be wrong. For the record, here's what works for me to build XEmacs 21.4.17 from source under cygwin w/o X: ./configure --without-x11 --pdump --with-modules=no make ht - -- Henry S. Thompson, HCRC Language Technology Group, University of Edinburgh Half-time member of W3C Team 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail really from me _always_ has this .sig -- mail without it is forged spam] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDFCiIkjnJixAXWBoRAg/0AJ9sRq9anIqhrGpSkkK3SzuoGFSffwCfW+iY UoH5S12CPke9zNwKxzftbAo= =1065 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
James R. Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you actually tried installing the x-server and using it? It takes a while Yes. I just wanted to stay away from extra stuff. But as you surmised, not if it requires huge energy output. to download, but can be used somewhat unobtrusively. The default startxwin.sh shell script starts xwin in the multiwindow mode, which means you get a black X icon in the system tray when there are no X clients, and otherwise each client opens in a fairly normal looking window on the windows desktop. If you comment out the xterm invocation in the script, you mostly don't need to be aware that X is running. Client windows will just This sounds like a handy way to go at it. I wasn't clever enough to think to edit the startx script. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:39:39 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: My background is unix/linux so when I find myself on MS OS of one vintage or another I sorely need the cygwin tools. However, one thing I've not found a way to get smoothed out is how to run emacs. I want to run emacs in gui mode but without starting an X session. That is, similar to what is possible with ntemacs. Now I could just use ntemacs but then one runs into path problems since that tool doesn't know about `cygdrive', and I see no handy way to make that work with both cygwin setup and win native stuff. Using the cygwin installed emacs I get the -nw effect as if emacs were running in a linux console, unless I start an X session and run emacs from there. Is there a handy way (on winxp) to use emacs as if in X but without installing or using the X side of cygwin? You may find it easier to teach NTemacs about cygwin paths: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/cygwin-mount.el AndyM -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
Andy Moreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:39:39 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: My background is unix/linux so when I find myself on MS OS of one vintage or another I sorely need the cygwin tools. However, one thing I've not found a way to get smoothed out is how to run emacs. I want to run emacs in gui mode but without starting an X session. That is, similar to what is possible with ntemacs. Now I could just use ntemacs but then one runs into path problems since that tool doesn't know about `cygdrive', and I see no handy way to make that work with both cygwin setup and win native stuff. Using the cygwin installed emacs I get the -nw effect as if emacs were running in a linux console, unless I start an X session and run emacs from there. Is there a handy way (on winxp) to use emacs as if in X but without installing or using the X side of cygwin? You may find it easier to teach NTemacs about cygwin paths: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/cygwin-mount.el What is supposed to happen with this? Once loaded is it supposed to make emacs know about /cygdrive? Doesn't seem to have much of an effect here. M-x load-file ./cygwin-mount.el C-x d /usr/bin Doesn't work C-x d /cygdrive/c Doesn't work It does seem to have tought emacs thate C:/ = / but in cygwineze that isn't what is used. There you have C:/Cygwin = / So that doesn't help much with cygdrive. Still /usr/bin is unknown for example -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harry Putnam writes: I want to run emacs in gui mode but without starting an X session. That is, similar to what is possible with ntemacs. This can be done easily with XEmacs. You can get an only slightly stale version (21.4.13) straight out of the box from XEmacs.org [1] (pick 'native windows'). Or you can compile your own 21.4.17 from source, but this is _not_ a 'straight-out-of-the-box' exercise. If you try this and have trouble, I'll try to dig out my config.status and other notes from the last time I made it all work. I _think_ the rebase problems (google cygwin+xemacs+rebase) have disappeared, but I may be wrong. ht [1] http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/setup.exe - -- Henry S. Thompson, HCRC Language Technology Group, University of Edinburgh Half-time member of W3C Team 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail really from me _always_ has this .sig -- mail without it is forged spam] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDxGckjnJixAXWBoRAq/KAJ0bS+t1Z1/51ZmmdehRN5PnkPDUXACfUgTc XbF8BmdDMGvdyeJ0JSU0fFo= =gpy+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry S. Thompson) writes: [...] This can be done easily with XEmacs. You can get an only slightly stale version (21.4.13) straight out of the box from XEmacs.org [1] (pick 'native windows'). Or you can compile your own 21.4.17 from source, but this is _not_ a 'straight-out-of-the-box' exercise. If you try this and have trouble, I'll try to dig out my config.status and other notes from the last time I made it all work. I _think_ the rebase problems (google cygwin+xemacs+rebase) have disappeared, but I may be wrong. Very kind of you to offer. However I'm a confirmed fsf emacs user. Tried Xemacs several times but always returned to fsf emacs. Its been my tool of choice for 4-6 yrs now. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Harry Putnam wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry S. Thompson) writes: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. [...] This can be done easily with XEmacs. You can get an only slightly stale version (21.4.13) straight out of the box from XEmacs.org [1] (pick 'native windows'). Or you can compile your own 21.4.17 from source, but this is _not_ a 'straight-out-of-the-box' exercise. If you try this and have trouble, I'll try to dig out my config.status and other notes from the last time I made it all work. I _think_ the rebase problems (google cygwin+xemacs+rebase) have disappeared, but I may be wrong. Very kind of you to offer. However I'm a confirmed fsf emacs user. Tried Xemacs several times but always returned to fsf emacs. Its been my tool of choice for 4-6 yrs now. Well, you could try compiling Emacs yourself and linking it against libW11 (that comes with rxvt). Most likely, this will not work, but I'm sure patches for missing functionality would be thoughtfully considered by the developers of rxvt. 'Tis a long and winding road, though. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! If there's any real truth it's that the entire multidimensional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. /DA -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:46:38 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: Andy Moreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:39:39 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: [snipped] You may find it easier to teach NTemacs about cygwin paths: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/cygwin-mount.el What is supposed to happen with this? Once loaded is it supposed to make emacs know about /cygdrive? Doesn't seem to have much of an effect here. M-x load-file ./cygwin-mount.el C-x d /usr/bin Doesn't work C-x d /cygdrive/c Doesn't work It does seem to have tought emacs thate C:/ = / but in cygwineze that isn't what is used. There you have C:/Cygwin = / So that doesn't help much with cygdrive. Still /usr/bin is unknown for example Try a little reading - its all documented in the file. Either use the Cygwin Mount group in Customize, or add the following: (require 'cygwin-mount) (cygwin-mount-activate) AndyM -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, you could try compiling Emacs yourself and linking it against libW11 (that comes with rxvt). Most likely, this will not work, but I'm sure patches for missing functionality would be thoughtfully considered by the developers of rxvt. 'Tis a long and winding road, though. I'm sure they would.. but I'm afraid this is well above my skill level. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
Andy Moreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (cygwin-mount-activate) Egad I am being a tedious bore. I failed to eval that in my test. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
Andy Moreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:46:38 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: Andy Moreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:39:39 GMT, Harry Putnam wrote: [snipped] You may find it easier to teach NTemacs about cygwin paths: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/cygwin-mount.el What is supposed to happen with this? Once loaded is it supposed to make emacs know about /cygdrive? Doesn't seem to have much of an effect here. M-x load-file ./cygwin-mount.el C-x d /usr/bin Doesn't work C-x d /cygdrive/c Doesn't work It does seem to have tought emacs thate C:/ = / but in cygwineze that isn't what is used. There you have C:/Cygwin = / So that doesn't help much with cygdrive. Still /usr/bin is unknown for example Try a little reading - its all documented in the file. Either use the Cygwin Mount group in Customize, or add the following: (require 'cygwin-mount) (cygwin-mount-activate) I do know how to load it .. that wasn't what asked about. I'm sorry I must seem like a lamo here and appear to be trying your patience, but I had read most of the documentation in cygwin-mount.el, particularly the opening sort of overview which says it will make emacs understand cygdrive. Here it does not. Below is an exerpt from emacs *Messages* buffer: You may note that after loading cygwin-mount.el. Emacs does not know where /cygdrive/c is. I typed in C-x d /cygdrive/c But emacs sees c:/cygdrive/c I type in C-x d /usr/bin. But emacs sees C:/usr/bin. So it has learned neither cygwins cygdrive or cygwins idea of /. All that seems to have transpired is that emacs now sees / and C:/. This is not what cygwin does. [...] Loading c:/users/harry/.emacs-dir/cygwin-mount.el (source)...done Loading dired...done Reading directory c:/cygdrive/c... dired-readin-insert: Directory c:/cygdrive/c inaccessible or nonexistent -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs from cygwin in X mode with no X running
Have you actually tried installing the x-server and using it? It takes a while to download, but can be used somewhat unobtrusively. The default startxwin.sh shell script starts xwin in the multiwindow mode, which means you get a black X icon in the system tray when there are no X clients, and otherwise each client opens in a fairly normal looking window on the windows desktop. If you comment out the xterm invocation in the script, you mostly don't need to be aware that X is running. Client windows will just pop up over the windows desktop. Put your modified script in /usr/local/bin, and you are in business. My advice is to just try X, and see if you might like it, as opposed to going to huge lengths not to use it. Jim Phillips -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs in Cygwin
S Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am at home now, and if I have my display environment
variable set to: ${HOST}:0.0 or :0
and if I have the program Cygwin/XFree86 rl open in
the background, emacs opens up in the XFree program
and not the current window. (If I do not have the
XFree program open, then I get an error saying I can't
connect to X server)
This is expected behavior. This has been discussed many times before. It should be
in the archives.
For some reason the above only works in tcsh; the
other shells all seem to open up emacs in the same
window.
You probably have an emacs function defined in a shell startup file (e.g.
~/.bashrc). Examples have been posted here several times.
Does anyone know what causes the cygwin emacs to open
up in XFree instead of the current window?
That's how it's compiled.
It has stopped doing this on my computer at work (I
think it was a result of my reinstalling cygwin emacs
or maybe something else that got changed in the
process of running the cygwin setup), and I'm
wondering what has to be changed so it does it again.
Include tty in your CYGWIN environment variable.
Type emacs -nw instead of emacs
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Re: emacs on cygwin
Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: No. If you want NT Emacs to understand Cygwin paths, get cygwin-mount.el from http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/index.html. The Cygwin GNU emacs understands //machine/share syntax, but not X:/path syntax. Normal Cygwin /some/path/to/file syntax is fine also (of course). If you want to run emacs -nw, say from a remote login shell, you can't. (The error is emacs: standard input is not a tty.) Instead, use a Cygwin version of XEmacs, from http://www.xemacs.org/. Using xemacs -nw from a remote shell This works fine for Cygwin GNU emacs. You want tty in the CYGWIN environment variable value for it to work well. Joe Buehler -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: emacs on cygwin
Hi Gareth and all, just to mention that I'm using cygwin's telnetd now (I was using exceed's telnetd), and now emacs -nw works perfectly! thanks Kris To add to my tests I reported in my previous mail: - I am on my NT PC - I telnet (using cygwin's telnet) to my NT PC - \cygwin\cygwin, emacs- nw This is a lot better than when I telnetted from my linux box. The display is ok now. However, arrow keys don't work (they get entered as ABC etc. i.e. the last part of the ANSI sequence), and Ctrl-C still beeps and doesn't get entered into emacs. i think in the linux case you had termcap issues. and in the general case - you have tty issues. Gareth - just a guess. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: emacs on cygwin
On Wednesday 9 Oct 02, Christopher Faylor writes: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 07:10:31PM -0700, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: I was looking at the FAQ and realized some questions need an update. I plan to do this. However, some of them I don't have the knowledge to frame a correct updated answer. One I particularly noticed was: Is there a Cygwin port of GNU Emacs? No. If you want NT Emacs to understand Cygwin paths, get cygwin-mount.el from http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/index.html. If you want to run emacs -nw, say from a remote login shell, you can't. (The error is emacs: standard input is not a tty.) Instead, use a Cygwin version of XEmacs, from http://www.xemacs.org/. Using xemacs -nw from a remote shell works fine. To be exact, I know that there is now a Cygwin version of GNU Emacs, that XEmacs does not have a (setup.exe) Cygwin package, and that those URLs work. However, I don't the status of GNU Emacs or NT Emacs in a remote login shell. I haven't seen David Starks-Browning (FAQ maintainer) around lately but I suspect that he might be interested in fixing this. Indeed! I will certainly have to fix that question. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. However, I don't use the Cygwin port of Emacs (yet?), so I also do not know the status of using emacs -nw from a remote shell. Has anyone tried this? Does it work? Thanks, David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: emacs on cygwin
However, I don't use the Cygwin port of Emacs (yet?), so I also do not know the status of using emacs -nw from a remote shell. Has anyone tried this? Does it work? Hi I have NT4.0, latest cygwin, Exceed for X-windows emulation and Exceed telnetd. I let cygwin-setup install 'emacs with X toolkit'. Summary: in my configuration, emacs -nw does not work using telnet. I tried the following: - use exceed to open on xterm on a Linux machine - from there telnet to my NT machine - I execute \cygwin\cygwin.bat to get my cygwin environment this sort of works, but the terminal display rather screwed up - I try to improve on this using export TERM=xterm - I do export DISPLAY=myNT:0 emacs and yes! there comes an X window version of emacs up, just like it happens when I did the 2 above lines on my NT machine locally. (ok, no surprise maybe) - I now do emacs -nw and things go very wrong. emacs does start. You see things happening on the screen, but it's all jumbled up (it's even worse without the TERM statement). I can't really do a thing. When I try to quit with ctrl-X ctrl-C I hear a beep when I press the ctrl-C and that's it. I can't get out. Have to quit telnet by hand. Maybe playing around with the CYGWIN_TTY environment variable would help (but I didn't find any doc on that one). Of course, using another telnetd might also improve matters. (Is cygwin's telnetd good and easy to install these days?) Kris -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: emacs on cygwin
On Thursday 10 Oct 02, Bjoern Kahl AG Resy writes: However, I don't use the Cygwin port of Emacs (yet?), so I also do not know the status of using emacs -nw from a remote shell. Has anyone tried this? Does it work? I have installed Cygwin including the GNU-emacs package offered by cygwin-setup. I use the GNU-emacs both, with X11 and in terminal (emacs -nw) mode. No problems in local or remote (via ssh) execution. Works well in xterm (emacs -nw), direkt via X11 (emacs draws its own window) and in cygwin-terminal (cygwin.bat and emacs -nw). Thanks very much for this report. I'll try to update the FAQ tonight. Kind regards, David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: emacs on cygwin
Hi Bjoern, that's interesting, as emacs -nw doesn't work for me... Could you offer a bit more detail on what you mean with remote execution? Where do you com from? Which daemon are you using? To add to my tests I reported in my previous mail: - I am on my NT PC - I telnet (using cygwin's telnet) to my NT PC - \cygwin\cygwin, emacs- nw This is a lot better than when I telnetted from my linux box. The display is ok now. However, arrow keys don't work (they get entered as ABC etc. i.e. the last part of the ANSI sequence), and Ctrl-C still beeps and doesn't get entered into emacs. (By the way, arrowkeys don't work in bash as well, but ctrl-c does seem to). Kris I have installed Cygwin including the GNU-emacs package offered by cygwin-setup. I use the GNU-emacs both, with X11 and in terminal (emacs -nw) mode. No problems in local or remote (via ssh) execution. Works well in xterm (emacs -nw), direkt via X11 (emacs draws its own window) and in cygwin-terminal (cygwin.bat and emacs -nw). -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: emacs on cygwin
To add to my tests I reported in my previous mail: - I am on my NT PC - I telnet (using cygwin's telnet) to my NT PC - \cygwin\cygwin, emacs- nw This is a lot better than when I telnetted from my linux box. The display is ok now. However, arrow keys don't work (they get entered as ABC etc. i.e. the last part of the ANSI sequence), and Ctrl-C still beeps and doesn't get entered into emacs. i think in the linux case you had termcap issues. and in the general case - you have tty issues. Gareth - just a guess. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: emacs on cygwin
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 07:10:31PM -0700, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: I was looking at the FAQ and realized some questions need an update. I plan to do this. However, some of them I don't have the knowledge to frame a correct updated answer. One I particularly noticed was: Is there a Cygwin port of GNU Emacs? No. If you want NT Emacs to understand Cygwin paths, get cygwin-mount.el from http://www.emacswiki.org/elisp/index.html. If you want to run emacs -nw, say from a remote login shell, you can't. (The error is emacs: standard input is not a tty.) Instead, use a Cygwin version of XEmacs, from http://www.xemacs.org/. Using xemacs -nw from a remote shell works fine. To be exact, I know that there is now a Cygwin version of GNU Emacs, that XEmacs does not have a (setup.exe) Cygwin package, and that those URLs work. However, I don't the status of GNU Emacs or NT Emacs in a remote login shell. I haven't seen David Starks-Browning (FAQ maintainer) around lately but I suspect that he might be interested in fixing this. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Emacs for cygwin?
I take that back - I have found references to Emacs, but can anyone point me in the right direction for a download site (hopefully with a few instructions)? Thanks! Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Mark Bram Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2002 11:49 PM To: Cygwin Subject: Emacs for cygwin? Hi all! I just visited the archives and cygwin.com and could not get any positive hit, but this seems like such an important utility. Is it true there is no emacs for Cygwin? Thanks! Rob :) :-} ;- -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Emacs for cygwin?
On Thursday 21 Mar 02, Robert Mark Bram writes: I take that back - I have found references to Emacs, but can anyone point me in the right direction for a download site (hopefully with a few instructions)? Since GNU Emacs is not a Cygwin application, such a query is off-topic for this list. I refer you to http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/. XEmacs, on the other hand, *is* ported to Cygwin, but likewise I refer you to http://www.xemacs.org/. This will be in the FAQ soon. Regards, David -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
Hello, I am very interested in a cygwin/xfree86 emacs, because NTemacs can't be regarded as an full emacs port, and xemacs isn't really compatible, and much too slow. Furthermore I believe that since the 21.1 emacs has become better than xemacs. However I must mention that I am very happy that xemacs is available in a cygwin version. In the past I tried porting emacs to cygwin/xfree86/lesstif, however it wasn't succesful. If anybody can help please let me know. -Kathy FWIW, there's a true Cygwin port of XEmacs available now (as well as a Windows-native port). See http://www.xemacs.org Jon Cast wrote: You wrote: I think that we need a CygEmacs - an emacs that will be compiled with the real Cygwin ported gcc (i.e. without the -mno-cygwin). I should probably point out that I am (slowly) working on such a port of Emacs. __ Über 1 Mio. Angebote - Startpreis Euro 1,- http://www.fireball.de/ebay.html -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwincom/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwincom/bugshtml Documentation: http://cygwincom/docshtml FAQ: http://cygwincom/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
Jon Cast wrote: Sorry to start a flamewar, but this needs replying to: Sure In PRIVATE mail Please take this incipient flamewar offline --Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwincom/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwincom/bugshtml Documentation: http://cygwincom/docshtml FAQ: http://cygwincom/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
Katherina O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very interested in a cygwin/xfree86 emacs, Thank you for your interest. reasoning skipped However I must mention that I am very happy that xemacs is available in a cygwin version. Naturally. In the past I tried porting emacs to cygwin/xfree86/lesstif, however it wasn't succesful. If anybody can help please let me know. I hope I can help--that's why I'm working on the port. If you want, you can review the ``cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS'' thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED], and post additional details from your experience porting there. Jon Cast -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
Charles Wilson wrote: Jon Cast wrote: Sorry to start a flamewar, but this needs replying to: Sure In PRIVATE mail Please take this incipient flamewar offline I have no interest in a flame war even offline I didn't even understand half of what Jon was saying about political beliefs and such, but frankly I don't give a rat's ass either So as far as I'm concerned it's over -JT -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwincom/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwincom/bugshtml Documentation: http://cygwincom/docshtml FAQ: http://cygwincom/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
From: Jon Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:33:11 -0600 CygEmacs will have UNIX APIs for I/O (files and sockets), and M$Windows APIs for the display and the keyboard. This is already done (partly) by the Cygwin port of rxvt. I used to agree with you, but the more I think about it, the more I think the ideal solution (bearing in mind that we are talking about a *Cygwin* port of Emacs) is use the normal LessTif toolkit support, and make LessTif work ``right'' from our perspective under Windows. (This would also allow us to support remote X connections, which is IMNSHO one of the major features X has over Windows.) Only if/while this is not workable/not worth the effort should we use the native APIs directly. I don't use Lesstiff too much, so please take what's below with a grain of salt. I think we should be aware of Windows users expectations, not only of technical merits. In a somehwat limited experience with a Windows port of Gimp (which I believe uses ported toolkits for its GUI), I find that even experienced and computer-savvy users feel annoyed by a very different set of conventions presented by the X toolkits. I don't have enough experience and data to judge whether that's a real concern or just an NIH syndrom, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. It's certainly non-trivial, but it's not difficult, either. All it takes is a grep for WINDOWSNT, and then a check of each of those ~ 206 occurrences to see if each one should read WINDOWSNT or (WINDOWSNT || CYGWIN). Unfortunately, it's more than that. First, there are those w32*.c files which hide an enormous complexity of the Windows port from the mainline code (that's why you see only 200-odd ifdefs). Some of that code can be safely tossed in the Cygwin port--the part merely tries to wrap library functions with Posix-compliant wrappers--but some cannot. So you might find yourself _adding_ ifdefs ;-) And then there's the issue of the Lisp code. What would be the value of system-type in the Cygwin port? It could use the same symbol windows-nt used by the current Windows port, or it could invent a new symbol. Either way, there will be a need to go through all the bundled packages and make sure code which does a different thing for windows-nt will DTRT in the Cygwin port. The difficulty here is that in some cases the Cygwin port should take the Unix/GNU branch (like with file names and the shell), while in others (like browse-url, for example) it should take the Windows branch. This probably calls for a new symbol rather than reusing windows-nt, but the work has to be done anyway. I counted more than 120 places where windows-nt is mentioned in bundled Lisp code. may be a version of Emacs for Cygwin, that use only the UNIX APIs can be ported. This Emacs version will be used only within Cygwin's windows - Console or rxvt (Emacs in TTY mode) or real display (using Cygwin-Xfree). This second approach surrenders practically nothing for the kind of user Cygwin targets once Cygwin-Xfree supports a rootless X server. So, I think if that approach is workable it should be pursued instead. How is this different from the alternative to use Lesstiff? That one is also based on the ported XFree, right? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
FWIW, there's a true Cygwin port of XEmacs available now (as well as a Windows-native port). See http://www.xemacs.org Jon Cast wrote: You wrote: I think that we need a CygEmacs - an emacs that will be compiled with the real Cygwin ported gcc (i.e. without the -mno-cygwin). I should probably point out that I am (slowly) working on such a port of Emacs. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
David Rothenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, there's a true Cygwin port of XEmacs available now (as well as a Windows-native port). See http://www.xemacs.org FWIW, I'm a GNU fanatic who wouldn't touch XEmacs with a ten-foot pole :) Seriously, this kind of message is one (although by no means the primary) motivation for my doing this--to stop XEmacs supporters from sending this type of email *every time* *anyone* asks (or talks, apparently) about Emacs on Cygwin. Jon Cast p.s. Flames (on both sides) to /dev/null, please -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
Jon Cast wrote: FWIW, I'm a GNU fanatic who wouldn't touch XEmacs with a ten-foot pole :) smiley notwithstanding, that doesn't seem all that amusing to me XEmacs is of course GPL'd, and I'd direct anyone who might wonder about the source of misguided comments such as the above to: http://wwwxemacsorg/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacshtml -JT (damn, two non-cygwin posts within a week I'm a very bad man) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwincom/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwincom/bugshtml Documentation: http://cygwincom/docshtml FAQ: http://cygwincom/faq/
Re: Emacs for Cygwin (was: cygwin-mount.el, Using GDB in NTEMACS)
You wrote: I think that we need a CygEmacs - an emacs that will be compiled with the real Cygwin ported gcc (i.e. without the -mno-cygwin). I should probably point out that I am (slowly) working on such a port of Emacs. CygEmacs will have UNIX APIs for I/O (files and sockets), and M$Windows APIs for the display and the keyboard. This is already done (partly) by the Cygwin port of rxvt. I used to agree with you, but the more I think about it, the more I think the ideal solution (bearing in mind that we are talking about a *Cygwin* port of Emacs) is use the normal LessTif toolkit support, and make LessTif work ``right'' from our perspective under Windows. (This would also allow us to support remote X connections, which is IMNSHO one of the major features X has over Windows.) Only if/while this is not workable/not worth the effort should we use the native APIs directly. If this is too difficult, It's certainly non-trivial, but it's not difficult, either. All it takes is a grep for WINDOWSNT, and then a check of each of those ~ 206 occurrences to see if each one should read WINDOWSNT or (WINDOWSNT || CYGWIN). may be a version of Emacs for Cygwin, that use only the UNIX APIs can be ported. This Emacs version will be used only within Cygwin's windows - Console or rxvt (Emacs in TTY mode) or real display (using Cygwin-Xfree). This second approach surrenders practically nothing for the kind of user Cygwin targets once Cygwin-Xfree supports a rootless X server. So, I think if that approach is workable it should be pursued instead. Any of these version will solve the 2 major issues of using Emacs with Cygwin - 1. The files (names and attributes). 2. Running of sub-shells in Emacs (file is not tty problem). It may solve another problem that bothers me - running a client on the PC to a server on UNIX. Right, because the alternatives you name don't affect the use of Posix APIs for these operations. (Although I agree that the primary purpose of a Cygwin port of Emacs is to get the Posix APIs for the operations.) Ehud. Jon Cast LocalWords: LessTif WINDOWSNT -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
