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On 6 Aug 2001, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:

>   All the more reason to morph freenet/mojo to mix duties, maybe even
> create a worm version
> that gives no evidence of it's existence, other than some increase in traffic.

FYI, current MojoNation (written mostly in Python and some C) allows
traffic throttling, and can be modified to only link up to different legal
compartments, and limit the amounts of direct virtual connections.

Also, after Freenet adapted an XML-RPC API Mojo is also making noises in
that direction.

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Re: Extradition from the Great Beyond

On 4 Aug 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:

> Very interesting!  I wonder if it is possible to learn to write in
> other "linguistic fingerprints"?  I'll have to look into this.  Are

Since people can't do good random, I presume you can't prevent from
leaking bits, unless you use very short messages with very primitive
syntax, and do some algorithmic substitution.

A better solution would be to use AI which expands a formal construct into
natural language, or just ask another person to rewrite a text, then
another and maybe one more. Of course the final message still bears a
fingerprint, but it's no longer your own.

> there any such programs that are free and run under Linux?

Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo


On 4 Aug 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:

> What's up with voice encryption?  I'm ready to use it.  I'm ready to

Me, too. Let's do it, then: http://www.speakfreely.org/

> pay money for it.  However, this is only if it uses a real crypto
> algorithm (AES, 3DES, and not some "proprietary" crap) and if it has a
> published protocol, so we can verify that it is actually encrypting
> properly.  Starium has had "demo" units out for almost two years now,
> but their web page has been static for a long time, and no one has

They folded, I thought?

> answered the phone there for a long time.  Any others?  I know that
> voice encryption is the last great crypto taboo, and I'm waiting for
> it to fall.
>
> I am aware of quite a few other voice encryption units out there, but
> all that I have looked into have used a proprietary protocol, and even
> worse, some proprietary crypto algorithm.  That seems pretty useless.
> If their alg is so fabulous why didn't they submit it to the AES
> competition?  Ergo, their alg is not so fabulous.

We've got a lack of user base problem. I'm expecting voice encryption in
software when PDA (or wearable) with ~10 kBps wireless connectivity become
commonplace.

Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Honig wrote:

> And nautilus and PGPfone.  Maybe on a pocket PC if they have
> decent audio.  How do you make money on this approach, though?

By selling wireless bandwidth? Hardware? Leather accessoires and GUI
skins? Consulting?

I don't think the apps themselves should be commercial. It only leads to
featuritis, lousy code and backdoors.

> Interop with an existing PC/Mac based tool might help.

Definitely. There are, supposedly people out there who do VoIP from their
desktops, but I never met any.

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Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo

2001-08-06 Thread David Honig

At 01:49 PM 8/6/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
>On 4 Aug 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:
>
>> What's up with voice encryption?  I'm ready to use it.  I'm ready to
>
>Me, too. Let's do it, then: http://www.speakfreely.org/

And nautilus and PGPfone.  Maybe on a pocket PC if they have 
decent audio.  How do you make money on this approach, though?

>We've got a lack of user base problem. I'm expecting voice encryption in
>software when PDA (or wearable) with ~10 kBps wireless connectivity become
>commonplace.

Interop with an existing PC/Mac based tool might help.

RE: Spoliation cites

2001-08-06 Thread Trei, Peter


> [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> I am unable to reconcile Black Unicorn's recent post, where he denounces
> almost the entire cypherpunk program as illegal by current legal standards
> and a manifestation of foolish ignorance of the law and obstinate refusal
> to take his wise advice, with the conjecture that Black Unicorn is aware
> of 
> current recommended best practice in record keeping.
> 
I've mostly been staying out of this stormy little teacup, but I'll 
concur that BU is overreaching himself. When he starts to claim 
that writing security software to best industry practices - erasing
sensitive data as soon as it's need has passed, clearing disks
and buffers, etc - all practices mandated for meeting certain
government FIPS levels, and widely documented as standard -
when he claims that writing programs correctly could get me
in trouble - then it's time to downgrade my estimates of his
knowledge and expertise.

Peter Trei

Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo

On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 08:11 AM, David Honig wrote:

> At 01:49 PM 8/6/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote:
>> On 4 Aug 2001, Dr. Evil wrote:
>>
>>> What's up with voice encryption?  I'm ready to use it.  I'm ready to
>>
>> Me, too. Let's do it, then: http://www.speakfreely.org/
>
> And nautilus and PGPfone.  Maybe on a pocket PC if they have
> decent audio.  How do you make money on this approach, though?
>
>
>> We've got a lack of user base problem. I'm expecting voice encryption 
>> in
>> software when PDA (or wearable) with ~10 kBps wireless connectivity 
>> become
>> commonplace.

Starian, the company founded by Eric Blossom and others, had a 3DES unit 
the size of an external modem that worked as described. (I have one.)

The problem is the "fax effect":  who ya gonna call?

It works well for "cells" consisting of trading partners, drug dealers, 
freedom fighters, etc. They can just buy several of them for their 
members.

Solving the fax effect problem happens when a _standard_ is widely 
deployed, or when some major deals with cellphone vendors happen. I 
understand Starian has been trying to get a cellphone version 
designed-in.

ObSpoliationClaim: "Those who buy such machines are obviously trying to 
hide evidence. Mr. Happy Fun Court is "not amused.""

--Tim May

Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

2001-08-06 Thread mmotyka


I'm quite aware of the attack. It's not guaranteed successful yet. If
you've paid attention to our lawyers recently it sounds like the battle
is sporadic and the outcome mixed.

Until the heavy hand wipes out remailers the fate of an individual
message is interesting. So as of even date being able to assign IP
addresses to persons and remailer nodes is not equivalent to
compromising the communications.

It's the best solution available today isn't it?

Ray Dillinger wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Nested encryption protects a subverted node from being able to trace the
> >entire chain in one fell swoop.
> 
> Take your focus off the individual message.
> 
> Okay?
> 
> Now look at the system, the infrastructure, that you need to
> send that message anonymously. It relies on identifiable
> remops existing at known addresses.  Known to the people sending
> messages == known to the cops.
> 
> If the law wants to take this thing down, they will  not be
> attacking the strongest point -- ie, trying to trace individual
> messages.
> 
> Instead, they will attack the weakest point -- trying to drive
> remailer operators out of business and thus destroy the
> infrastructure you need.  That is the threat model I'm concerned
> about, and given that network monitoring is now automatable and
> cheap, it is entirely do-able.
> 
> >As long as there is one uncompromised node in a chain subversion doesn't
> >guarantee a matchup of "from" and "to" but it improves the odds.
> 
> So what?  A move by the g8 to protect the "global infrastructure"
> of the Internet, (polspeak for protecting their ability to control
> what the sheep think) followed by laws passed in individual countries,
> would force remops to operate solely in "rogue states", and messages
> to and from them could be screened out pretty simply.
> 
> Bear

Re: Slashdot | Roasting Sacred Cows


On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Trei, Peter wrote:

> Not too long ago (less than a year, I think) Jim not only gave the URL,
> he included as a MIME attachment the entire page - often 10s of Kb.
> He got thoroughly and deservedly flamed for this, and ceased to do
> so.

Actually I've tried each and every one of these suggestions, and the same
group has bitched about each and every one of them. Check the archives.


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Re: CDR: Re: "Space War"



On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:

> Second, it pretty much means the US is going to have to withdraw 
> from the space treaty of 1965, which bans space weapons.  This 
> latter is actually more interesting to me, because that treaty 
> also bans national claims of sovereignty over off-earth property 
> (or else Neil Armstrong would have been saying the ancient 
> incantation, "we claim this new land in the name of" when he 
> planted that American flag on the moon in '69) and, more 
> importantly, private claims of ownership on off-earth property.

He did do that you silly goose. He claimed it in the name of the US for
'All mankind'...

Check the web.


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Inferno: Fw: [free-sklyarov] Lessig on WIPO (short) (fwd)



-- Forwarded message --

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- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Moeller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [free-sklyarov] Lessig on WIPO (short)


> Here's the reply I got from Larry Lessig on the relevance of the WIPO 
> Copyright Treaty to the issues discussed on the list, my original 
> mail is also quoted below. For more on WIPO, see my summary:
> 
> http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/8/4/53534/20827
> 
> --- Forwarded message follows ---
> Date sent:  Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:47:50 -0700
> Subject:Re: WIPO Copyright Treaty
> From:   Lawrence Lessig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Erik Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> The treaty does push for DMCA like legislation, but most nations (even
> those ratifying the treaty) have not yet enacted DMCA legislation. I
> think the WIPO treaty should be opposed, so I do think it would be
> good to identify this as a problem. -- 
> 
> Lessig
> Stanford Law School
> Crown Quadrangle
> 559 Nathan Abbott Way
> Stanford, CA  94305-8610
> 650.736.0999 (vx)
> 650.723.8440 (fx)
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> 
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> > From: "Erik Moeller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Organization: Scientific Review Service
> > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:44:31 +0200
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: WIPO Copyright Treaty
> > 
> > Dear Professor Lessig,
> > 
> > as a legal expert who is familiar with the Sklyarov case, what do
> > you think about the WIPO Copyright Treaty? As far as I understand
> > it, it is the direct "cause" of the DMCA and similar international
> > laws and was agreed on by delegates of the WIPO member nations
> > during the December 1996 meeting.
> > 
> > But member nations seem to have no actual obligation to enforce the
> > treaty, and it could in fact be denounced with no consequences. Do
> > you think it would make sense to
> > 
> > - denounce the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty and replace the DMCA with
> > more reasonable national law / repeal it - protest at the next WIPO
> > copyright meeting (Nov 26-30 in Geneva) - submit papers to the WIPO
> > convention - get organizations like the EFF to participate in the
> > convention?
> > 
> > I think WIPO may be a better target than the national goverments,
> > since they specifically deal with these issues. What do you think?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Erik Moeller
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Scientific Reviewer, Freelancer, Humanist -- Berlin/Germany
> > Phone: +49-30-45491008 - Web: 
> > The Origins of Peace and Violence: 
> > 
> > "History is full of people who, out of fear or ignorance or the lust
> > for power, have destroyed treasures of immeasurable value which
> > truly belong to all of us. We must not let it happen again." -- Carl
> > Sagan
> > 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

2001-08-06 Thread Ray Dillinger


On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


>I'm quite aware of the attack. It's not guaranteed successful yet. 

True.  But it beats the snot out of guessing keys.

Offhand, I'd estimate that if three US remops were taken down 
forcefully, and the federal law looked as though any other could 
be, all but two or three hardcases would cease operating remailers 
in the USA.  That would wipe out well over 70% of the remailers, 
leaving a very small universe indeed to monitor. 

Bear

Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:

> in the USA.  That would wipe out well over 70% of the remailers,
> leaving a very small universe indeed to monitor.

In case this happens I'll be happy to run one on a DSL line. I'm sure many
others will suddenly see the light, too.

It would also motivate people to write worms with remailer functionality
instead of the usual stupid DoS cargo.

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Apollo 11 - For all mankind


Note the commentary about changing the budget to prevent other flags from
being planted...

http://www.harmonize.com/swdroundup/Apollo11.htm


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Re: "Space War"

2001-08-06 Thread Ray Dillinger

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>> Second, it pretty much means the US is going to have to withdraw 
>> from the space treaty of 1965, which bans space weapons.  This 
>> latter is actually more interesting to me, because that treaty 
>> also bans national claims of sovereignty over off-earth property 
>> (or else Neil Armstrong would have been saying the ancient 
>> incantation, "we claim this new land in the name of" when he 
>> planted that American flag on the moon in '69) and, more 
>> importantly, private claims of ownership on off-earth property.
>
>He did do that you silly goose. He claimed it in the name of the US for
>'All mankind'...
>
>Check the web.

I did, actually.  Turns out I got the year wrong, it was 1967 not 
1965.  But the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, to which the US is a 
signatory, has a big fat anti-sovereignty clause, stating that no 
nation can claim off-earth territory. 

Discussion can be found at 

http://www.spacepolicy.org/page_mw0799.html

Although I found this guy far too optimistic about the role of
government, I believe he has his facts straight regarding the 
treaty.

Bear

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Re: CDR: Re: "Space War"

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote:

> >Check the web.
> 
> I did, actually.

You checked the wrong thing; you should check the moon landing and
Congress' budget for NASA...I sent a URL to the list earlier. IF (big if)
the US ever does drop out of the treaty they will still be able to claim
the moon because ONLY the US flag was planted when it was claimed.

China has plans to have somebody up there in 2005 and potentialy a simple
moonbase by 2015. We'll see what happens...

Enjoy.

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Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo

On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 09:05 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Honig wrote:
>
>> And nautilus and PGPfone.  Maybe on a pocket PC if they have
>> decent audio.  How do you make money on this approach, though?
>
> By selling wireless bandwidth? Hardware? Leather accessoires and GUI
> skins? Consulting?
>
> I don't think the apps themselves should be commercial. It only leads to
> featuritis, lousy code and backdoors.
>
>> Interop with an existing PC/Mac based tool might help.
>
> Definitely. There are, supposedly people out there who do VoIP from 
> their
> desktops, but I never met any.
>

I have. I've been telephoned by people who used Internet telephony for 
part of the long-haul, reaching a local line at my end. Sounded slightly 
tinny, but was OK.

And a friend of mine here in California routinely calls his relatives in 
Chicago over such a link. They can talk for hours at no cost to him.

And there was at least one meeting of the Cypherpunks, in around 1993, 
where three scattered sites (Mountain View, Northern Virginia, 
Boston/Cambridge) were linked with an "M-bone" voice-over-Internet 
conference call. Better yet, DES-encrypted. That was 8 years ago.

--Tim May

Top-posting considered harmful

On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 09:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm quite aware of the attack. It's not guaranteed successful yet. If
> you've paid attention to our lawyers recently it sounds like the battle
> is sporadic and the outcome mixed.
>
> Until the heavy hand wipes out remailers the fate of an individual
> message is interesting. So as of even date being able to assign IP
> addresses to persons and remailer nodes is not equivalent to
> compromising the communications.
>
> It's the best solution available today isn't it?
>
> Ray Dillinger wrote:
>>
(post by Ray elided)

I encourage people not to "top-post" (placing comments at the top of an 
included message).

It's becoming endemic on Usenet.

Not a slam against Mike, just trying to remind people of how bad 
top-posting can be.

--Tim May

Re: Apollo 11 - For all mankind

2001-08-06 Thread Ray Dillinger




On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

>Note the commentary about changing the budget to prevent other flags from
>being planted...
>
>http://www.harmonize.com/swdroundup/Apollo11.htm
>
>

Note the commentary that it was "strictly a symbolic activity, as the 
United Nations Treaty on Outer Space precluded any territorial claim."

Bear

Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

2001-08-06 Thread Anonymous Remailer

Ray Dillinger wrote:
> Instead, they will attack the weakest point -- trying to drive
> remailer operators out of business and thus destroy the
> infrastructure you need.  That is the threat model I'm concerned
> about, and given that network monitoring is now automatable and
> cheap, it is entirely do-able.

Some people think this is happening now.  Since the remailers don't do
an authenticated handshake when they hand off traffic, an active
attacker could simulate the receiving remailer.  The sender thinks the
message is sent and the receiver never knows it didn't arrive.

Your threat model doesn't mean messages can't be sent, though.  It
just means messages between remailers have to travel over "sneaker
net".

A 20GB tape carries 1,953,125 messages.  Let's say the senders will
pay $0.10/each to have them carried over a damaged zone.  That comes
to $195,312.50.  At 140g, that's $1,377.89/g, or over 20 times the
value by weight of cocaine.

Not only that, when you lose a mule you don't lose the commodity
because it's just information.  The managers just send another copy
over.

The problem is a little harder than the remailer problem.  The links
have greater latency, and each remailer won't be able to advertise its
existence, so you need more sophisticated trust mechanisms.

Similar problems have been solved before.  There have been numerous
illegal lotteries, for example.  (See "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"
for one.)  These lotteries are amazing - these guys didn't even have
strong authentication and they were (and are) able to handle large
sums of money with virtually no complaints.

One thing that can't be stopped right now is an underground newspaper.
The editors can just sign each issue with gpg and distribute it on
diskette.

An easy way to solve your problem is to pay a fee to the editors to
include encrypted messages.  People have to give their friends the
entire thing or they will be passing along unauthenticated copies.

Re: "Space War"

2001-08-06 Thread John Young


Don't overlook what is reportedly happening on the back side of 
the moon. The URL for an IF-mooncam was posted here a while
ago. The stream is encrypted but with weak crypto -- the 
crypto-processor is 1968-9 vintage. The cam is part of a data
package placed on the dark side in a classified operation. Signals
bounced off a reflector stationed at the very edge of the moon's 
profile.

What else is being done there remains to be disclosed.

Didn't somebody mention also mention here that there's a group 
which intercepts the stream?

I believe the Smithsonian has an archive of the small amount of 
public material, and NARA has some of the classified stuff needing
clearance for access.

RSA Factoring Challenge

2001-08-06 Thread Phillip H. Zakas



Is anyone working on the current RSA factoring challenge?  $10K prize for
factoring a 576-bit number; $200K for a 2048-bit number (other awards for
640, 704, 768, 896, 1024 and 1536-bit numbers.)  See this page for details:

http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/numbers.html

They've provided me with the C source used to generate the numbers (though
not the BSafe toolkit you need to link into the program.)  Anyone can
receive the source by asking RSA for it.  I've decided to enter by using a
factoring program which makes guesses about what the prime number factors
are (by examining the last two digits, predicting the likely like of
one/both factors, using lists of prime numbers generated by a second
algorithm, etc.)  So far, barring errors in my logic and code (always a
possibility), I've completed a little over 5% of the "likely" candidates for
the 576-bit number in a little over 2 days using a single CPU pentium
III-600 with 512MB RAM.

phillip

Re: Spoliation cites

2001-08-06 Thread Eric Murray

On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:51:46AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > 
> > I am unable to reconcile Black Unicorn's recent post, where he denounces
> > almost the entire cypherpunk program as illegal by current legal standards
> > and a manifestation of foolish ignorance of the law and obstinate refusal
> > to take his wise advice, with the conjecture that Black Unicorn is aware
> > of 
> > current recommended best practice in record keeping.
> > 
> I've mostly been staying out of this stormy little teacup, but I'll 
> concur that BU is overreaching himself. When he starts to claim 
> that writing security software to best industry practices - erasing
> sensitive data as soon as it's need has passed, clearing disks
> and buffers, etc - all practices mandated for meeting certain
> government FIPS levels, and widely documented as standard -
> when he claims that writing programs correctly could get me
> in trouble - then it's time to downgrade my estimates of his
> knowledge and expertise.
> 
> Peter Trei

I read him as suggesting that some ambitious prosecutors might possibly
try to extend spoliation to that point, not that they're doing so now.

A bit of Googling finds a good definition of spoliation (in California):

Plaintiff possessed a potential defense to a claim for damages against
a defendant.

Defendant knew or reasonably should have known of this claim for damages
by plaintiff.

Defendant knew or reasonably should have known of the existence of the
physical evidence and knew or reasonably should have known that it might
constitute evidence in pending litigation involving plaintiff.

Defendant knew or reasonably should have known that if he did not act
with reasonable care to preserve the physical evidence, the potential
evidence could be destroyed, damaged, lost or concealed.

Defendant failed to act with reasonable care. 

Defendant's failure to act with reasonable care caused the destruction
of, damage to, or loss or concealment of such evidence.

As a result, plaintiff sustained damage, namely plaintiff s opportunity
to prove its claim was interfered with substantially.

As BU points out, if "reasonably should have known" can be defined
in court as "you were running a service that allowed drug dealers
and pedophiles to send anonymous email", talking about FIPS 140 etc.
won't help much in front of a jury of Oprah-watching "peers", even
if it's factually and technically correct.

Are things this bad already?  I don't know, but it wouldn't
suprise me.

A murder case in silicon valley recently finished. The jurors
were interviewed by the local paper.  When asked why they convicted
the defendant on circumstantial evidence, the answer was "he felt guilty".

Eric

Information & Communications Technology Law Journal ONLINE

2001-08-06 Thread Faustine


Information & Communications Technology Law Journal 
www.tandf.co.uk/journals/carfax/13600834.html 

You can browse the table of contents for all back issues--and order them 
online with a credit card or through your local university/interlibrary 
loan. The free trial issue isn't too shabby either: the special topic 
is "Artificial Intelligence and the Law". 

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Information & Communications Technology Law

Volume 8  Number 3  October 1999

ARTICLES
The Singapore E-Commerce Code
Assafa Endeshaw 189

Internet Banking: The Digital Voyage of Banking and Money in Cyberspace
Sofia Giannakoudi 205

CASE NOTES
Germany: Decisions of Berlin and Munich Courts on whether the exhaustion of 
the distribution right under Art. 4 lit. c Software Directive ('69c No. 3 
Copyright Act) can be limited to distribution as OEM-versions or as updates
Andreas Raubenheimer 245

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS
Germany: Domain registration in Germany (www.xxx.de)Policy of DENIC for 
German Top Level Domains .de
Andreas Raubenheimer 247

title page and contents, volume 8 249

Information & Communications Technology Law

VOLUME 8  NUMBER 2  JUNE 1999

SPECIAL ISSUE: NETWORKED SERVICES

Guest Editors: David Slee & John B. Hobson

Editorial
David Slee & John B. Hobson 125

ARTICLES
Substantive Issues of Copyright Protection in a Networked
Environment
Stanley Lai 127

Control of Inventions in a Networked World
Howard C. Anawalt 141

On Using Animations in Court
Ajit Narayanan, Gareth Penny, Sharon Hibbin, Shara K. Lochun
& Wendy Milne 151

Customizing the Presentation of Legal Documents over the
World Wide Web
C. A. Royles & T. J. M. Bench-Capon 165

BOOK REVIEW 175

Information & Communications Technology Law

VOLUME 8  NUMBER 1  MARCH 1999

ARTICLES
Computer Misuse Law in Singapore
Assafa Endeshaw 5

A Survey of Computer Crime Legislation in the United States
John M. Conley & Robert M. Bryan 35

Record Newspapers, Legal Notice Laws and Digital Technology
Solutions
Shannon E. Martin 59

The Data Protection Bill 1998: a comparative examination
David Slee 71

BOOK REVIEW 111

Information & Communications Technology Law

Volume 7  Number 3  OCTOBER 1998

LAW, COMPUTERS AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
SPECIAL ISSUE: FORMAL MODELS OF LEGAL TIME

Guest Editors: Antonio A. Martino & Ephraim Nissan

Guest Editorial
A. A. Martino 165

Guest Editorial
E. Nissan 167

PART I: APPROACHES BASED ON TEMPORAL LOGIC
Time in Automated Legal Reasoning
L. Vila & H. Yoshino 173

Representing Temporal Knowledge in Legal Discourse
B. Knight, J. Ma & E. Nissan 199

Representation of Temporal Knowledge in Events: the formalism, and
its potential for legal narratives
G. P. Zarri 213

PART II: APPROACHES BASED ON PETRI NETS
Temporal Structure and Enablement Representation for Mutual Wills:
a Petri net approach
D. Y. Farook & E. Nissan 243

Time Petri Nets for Modelling Civil Litigation
R. Valette & B. Pradin-Chizalviel 269

TITLE PAGE AND CONTENTS, VOLUME 7 281

Information & Communications Technology Law

VOLUME 7  NUMBER 2  JUNE 1998

ARTICLES
Supranational Investigation after Amsterdam, The Corpus Juris and 
Agenda 2000
W. A. Tupman 85

WWW: World Wide Web or Wild Wild West? Fixing the Fenceposts on
the Final Frontier: domain names, intellectual property paradigms and
current disputes over the governance of the Internet
Robin Mackenzie 103

Making a Case for Case Frames
Radboud Winkels & Henk de Bruijn 117

Computing Rich Semantic Models of Text in Legal Domains
Wai K. Yeap 135

Crime and Technology: new rules in a new world
Hedieh Nasheri & Timothy J. OHearn 145

Information & Communications Technology Law

VOLUME 7  NUMBER 1  MARCH1998

ARTICLES
The Proper Law for Electronic Commerce
Assafa Endeshaw 5

A Critique of the Latent Damage Expert System
David McClelland 15

NATIONAL REPORT
The Law Relating to Computer Misuse in the Republic of Ireland
Julianne OLeary 31

CASE NOTES
Increasing Importance of Hardware Locks (Dongles) in Recent
German Case Law
Andreas Raubenheimer 51

Recent Developments in Germany: jurisdiction of courts in case of
acts of unfair competition committed on the Internet
Andreas Raubenheimer 70

Criminal Prosecution Through Public Prosecutors Against Online 
Services, Internet Providers and Individuals
Andreas Raubenheimer 71

Information & Communications Technology Law

VOLUME 6  NUMBER 3  OCTOBER 1997

ARTICLES
Pornography and the Possible Criminal Liability of Internet
Service Providers Under the Obscene Publication(s) and Protection
of Children Act
Terry Palfrey 187

>From Law to DiaLaw: Why Legal Justification Should be Modelled 
as a Dialogue 
Arno R. Lodder 201

Supporting the Legal Practitioner: LKBS or Web? 
Ronald Leenes & Jvrgen Svensson 217

An Architecture for Legal Information Retrieval using Task Models 
Luuk Matthijssen 229

NATIONAL REPORT
The Law on Computer Crime in Italy
Giancarlo Taddei Elmi 249

BOOK REVIEW 267

TITLE PAG

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RE: "Space War"

2001-08-06 Thread Phillip H. Zakas


> John Young Wrote:
> Don't overlook what is reportedly happening on the back side of
> the moon. The URL for an IF-mooncam was posted here a while
> ago. The stream is encrypted but with weak crypto -- the
> crypto-processor is 1968-9 vintage. The cam is part of a data
> package placed on the dark side in a classified operation. Signals
> bounced off a reflector stationed at the very edge of the moon's
> profile.
>
> What else is being done there remains to be disclosed.

Two applications I've heard of:

1.  Here's an excerpt from a US Navy press release:
"Jim Trexler was Lorenzen's project engineer for PAMOR (PAssive MOon Relay,
a.k.a. 'Moon Bounce'), which collected interior Soviet electronics and
communication signals reflected from the moon."
URL: http://www.pao.nrl.navy.mil/rel-00/32-00r.html

2.  On another site: "...The new Liberty was a 455-foot-long spy ship
crammed with listening equipment and specialists to operate it. The vessel's
most distinctive piece of hardware was a sixteen-foot-wide dish antenna that
could bounce intercepted intelligence off the moon to a receiving station in
Maryland in a ten-thousand-watt microwave signal that enabled it to transmit
large quantities of information without giving away the Liberty's location.*
*The system, known as TRSSCOMM, for Technical Research Ship Special
Communications, had to be pointed at a particular spot on the moon while a
computer compensated for the ship's rolling and pitching. The computers and
the antenna s hydraulic steering mechanism did not work well together,
creating frequent problems."
URL: http://www.euronet.nl/~rembert/echelon/db08.htm

phillip

RE: Apollo 11 - For all mankind

2001-08-06 Thread Phillip H. Zakas

> Bear wrote:
> Note the commentary that it was "strictly a symbolic activity, as the
> United Nations Treaty on Outer Space precluded any territorial claim."

I thought it would be useful to post the US Dept of State's link to the
actual outer space treaty:
http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/treaties/space1.html

The treaty section of interest to me is:
"...The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications,
the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military maneuvers on
celestial bodies shall be forbidden. The use of military personnel for
scientific research or for any other peaceful purposes shall not be
prohibited. The use of any equipment or facility necessary for peaceful
exploration of the Moon and other celestial bodies shall also not be
prohibited..."

this doesn't seem to expressly prohibit the activity referred to in the US
Navy press release I sent out earlier today, but at the same time the spirit
of the outer space treaty doesn't seem to support the navy/SIGINT
activities, either.

phillip

OPT: Cipher attack delivers heavy blow to WLAN security (fwd)

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:18:30 -0400
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Subject: Cipher attack delivers heavy blow to WLAN security

Cipher attack delivers heavy blow to WLAN security

By Patrick Mannion
EE Times
(08/04/01, 12:49 p.m. EST)

MANHASSET, N.Y. - A new report dashes any remaining illusions that 
802.11-based (Wi-Fi) wireless local-area networks are in any way 
secure. The paper, written by three of the world's foremost 
cryptographers, describes a devastating attack on the RC4 cipher, on 
which the WLAN wired-equivalent privacy (WEP) encryption scheme is 
based.

The passive network attack takes advantage of several weaknesses in 
the key-scheduling algorithm of RC4 and allows almost anyone with a 
WLAN-enabled laptop and some readily available "promiscuous" network 
software to retrieve a network's key - thereby gaining full user 
access - in less than 15 minutes.

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Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

2001-08-06 Thread georgemw

On 6 Aug 2001, at 10:13, Ray Dillinger wrote:

> Offhand, I'd estimate that if three US remops were taken down 
> forcefully, and the federal law looked as though any other could 
> be, all but two or three hardcases would cease operating remailers 
> in the USA.  

Depends on exactly what you mean by "taken down forcefully".
If you just mean forced to cease operations without additional
repercussions, I think it's more likely that more would pop up.

>That would wipe out well over 70% of the remailers, 
> leaving a very small universe indeed to monitor. 
> 
>   Bear
>

Just speculation, or course, but I suspect there are quite a few
people out there who would be willing and able to run remailers but
don't bother doing it because there's no perceived need
and no real payoff.  

I believe in principle a mixmaster network really only needs
two remailers to exist to function properly.

George

Vinge's 'True Names' Classic To Be Reissued

2001-08-06 Thread Matthew Gaylor


*
Vinge's 'True Names' classic to be
reissued
August 2, 2001
*

Vernor Vinge's classic scifi novel True Names is being reissued by 
Tor Books in True Names and the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier," 
a collection of stories and essays by computer scientists, due out in 
December. A movie may be in the works.

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The Feds Want To Write Your Software

2001-08-06 Thread Matthew Gaylor

To: "Matthew Gaylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Wayne Crews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cato TechKnowledge: The Feds Want To Write Your Software
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:21:11 -0400

  The Feds Want To Write Your Software

Issue #15
August 6, 2001

by D. T. Armentano

In Ayn Rand's famous 1957 novel, Atlas Shrugged, unconstrained 
politicians end up destroying the U.S. economy by regulating (among 
other things) invention and product innovation. In that vision, new 
products that would revolutionize an industry-and put less efficient 
competitors out of business-have to be controlled and even suppressed 
by government so that no company has an "unfair" advantage and 
everyone has an equal chance to compete. Critics savaged Rand's 
thesis arguing that she had portrayed regulators as political 
lunatics. The critics opined smugly that this sort of innovation 
regulation could never happen here.

Well, tell that to Microsoft. For almost a decade, Microsoft has 
battled federal and state antitrust authorities over its right to 
freely innovate in the marketplace by integrating its Web browser, 
Internet Explorer, with its proprietary Windows operating system. 
Microsoft claimed that consumers wanted integrated functionality 
because it was easier and cheaper to use, while the feds maintained 
that competitors (such as Netscape) were put at a competitive 
disadvantage by integration and could be injured by it. After a 
contentious trial and a recent appellate court decision, the basic 
antitrust issues are still unresolved.

The current innovation controversy is over Microsoft's soon-to-be 
introduced operating system, Windows XP, which has features that will 
steer consumers to Microsoft's own proprietary products and allegedly 
injure rivals such as America Online and Eastman Kodak, among others. 
The Senate Judiciary Committee has already scheduled hearings in 
September to consider, as committee member Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) 
recently put it, whether the design of Windows XP could cause "great 
harm to consumers, as well as competing companies."

Never mind that no one (including the government's expert witnesses 
at the antitrust trial) produced a shred of evidence that any of 
Microsoft's previous innovations injured consumers. And never mind 
that the antitrust laws are not intended to protect competitors from 
consumer-friendly innovation, and that to do so would betray any 
alleged consumer-protection mission. Never even mind that no law in 
the U.S. mandates that a firm must structure its innovation to make 
competitive life easier for its rivals. Put aside all of that and 
consider the following: Do you really want the likes of Sen. Schumer 
and Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) writing 
your future computer software?

There are several reasons why the answer to that question must be an 
emphatic "no." The first is that the new Microsoft XP operating 
system is Microsoft's property; Microsoft invented it, owns it, and 
has a moral as well as legal right to it. That right allows Microsoft 
to determine what the software will do and who will use (license) it 
and on what terms. Any government regulation of a company's right to 
use its own property in a peaceful manner-and trade with consumers is 
entirely peaceful-is an illegitimate taking and a violation of the 
company's property rights.

Second, political control over product innovation is monstrously 
inefficient, as Ayn Rand illustrated in her novel. Sen. Schumer is 
concerned about AOL and Kodak only because those firms (and jobs and 
votes) are in his political district demanding "protection" from 
Microsoft's newest innovation. The implication is that any time 
competitors feel threatened by a rival's innovation, the politicians 
will hold hearings and threaten to regulate the offending innovator. 
Under those terms, future productivity and growth in the U.S. economy 
will be held hostage to pandering politicians and politically 
connected corporations seeking shelter from the process of creative 
destruction-to advance an absurd politically correct notion of 
competition.

Microsoft's representatives have already been invited to appear 
before the Judiciary Committee hearings in the fall. As Ayn Rand 
would say, the government needs Microsoft's expertise and cooperation 
to help lend credibility to the regulation of Windows XP, a "sanction 
of the victim" so to speak. To assert its rights, Microsoft should 
boycott the hearings and deny the feds any legitimate sanction. Let's 
get the true nature of the "hearings" out in the open. Innovation 
regulation is a counterproductive and immoral high-tech intrusion. 
Those about to be targeted need not cooperate.

D. T. Armentano ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is professor emeritus in 
economics at the University of Hartford (Connecticut) and an adjunct 
scholar at the Cato Institute. He is the author of Antitrust and 
Monopoly (Independent Institute, 1998) and Antitrust: The Case for

Re: Traceable Infrastructure is as vulnerable as traceable messages.

On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 02:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> Just speculation, or course, but I suspect there are quite a few
> people out there who would be willing and able to run remailers but
> don't bother doing it because there's no perceived need
> and no real payoff.
>
> I believe in principle a mixmaster network really only needs
> two remailers to exist to function properly.

No, because then the collusion set is reduced to only two. If Alice and 
Bob run the only two mixes, a trivial matter for them to collude.

Even with three mixes, which many think to be the canonical Dining 
Cryptographers net size (perhaps because the menu example is given with 
three diners?), collusion is trivial.

In the DC-Net paper of '88, only the first two pages is devoted to 
outlining how mix-nets basically work: the rest of the paper dealt with 
dealing with collusion amongst subsets of the participants.

A mix-net of two mixes is not even worth discussing.

--Tim May

OPT: Inferno: Fw: Risks of the Passport Single Signon Protocol (fwd)



-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:48:57 -0400
From: Any Mouse
Subject: Inferno: Fw: Risks of the Passport Single Signon Protocol

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: Risks of the Passport Single Signon Protocol


> Risks of the Passport Single Signon Protocol
> by David P. Kormann and Aviel D. Rubin
>
> Passport is a protocol that enables users to sign onto many different
> merchants' web pages by authenticating themselves only once to a common
> server. This is important because users tend to pick poor (guessable) user
> names and passwords and to repeat them at different sites. Passport is
> notable as it is being very widely deployed by Microsoft. At the time of this
> writing, Passport boasts 40 million consumers and more than 400
> authentications per second on average. We examine the Passport single signon
> protocol, and identify several risks and attacks. We discuss a flaw that we
> discovered in the interaction of Passport and Netscape browsers that leaves
> a user logged in while informing him that he has successfully logged out.
> Finally, we suggest several areas of improvement.
>
> http://avirubin.com/passport.html
>
> --
> Elias Levy
> SecurityFocus.com
> http://www.securityfocus.com/
> Si vis pacem, para bellum

Risks of Microsoft Passport


Risks of Microsoft Passport
We all know the risks of trusting DNS and the fact that users click OK when 
presented with certificate warnings in their browser. So what happens when 
you build a single sign-on model for e-commerce that leverages these 
technologies? You end up with some risks that users might not expect. 
Microsoft's ambitious Passport service uses these common Internet 
standards. Avi Rubin and Dave Kormann from AT&T Research Labs document the 
risks of the Passport system in their research report, "Risks of the 
Passport Single Signon Protocol".
http://avirubin.com/passport.html

Laptop theft causing global havoc


Laptop theft causing global havoc
What do the U.S. State Department, the British military and the FBI have in 
common? Each of these security-centric organizations has recently lost 
laptops with sensitive information.
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Russian programmer out on bail


Russian programmer out on bail
Three weeks after his arrest, Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov is out on 
bail. Sklyarov was ordered to post $50,000 bail Monday in San Jose Federal 
Court. He is not allowed to travel outside of Northern California. A 
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Public Records in USA v. Sklyarov

2001-08-06 Thread John Young


Cryptome has obtained 60 pages of public records filed in 
USA v. Dmitry Sklyarov: five pages of Court documents and 
55 pages of submissions in support of Dmitry's character and 
achievements. They are offered in compressed TIFF format:

Court Documents:

Order Setting Conditions of Release and Appearance Bond, August 6, 2001

  http://cryptome.org/ds-bond-order.tif  (1 page, 87KB)

Magistrate Judge Minute Order, August 6, 2001

  http://cryptome.org/ds-minute-order.tif  (1 page, 83KB)

Warrant for Arrest, July 11, 2001

  http://cryptome.org/ds-arrest-warrant.tif  (1 page, 43KB)

USA Motion to Seal the Criminal Complaint and Arrest Warrant, July 11, 2001

  http://cryptome.org/ds-motion-to-seal.tif  (1 page, 42KB)

Sealing Order by Magistrate Patricia Trumbull, July 11, 2001

  http://cryptome.org/ds-order-to-seal.tif  (1 page, 28KB)

These five are available in a Zipped file:

  http://cryptome.org/sklyarov-orders.zip  (5 pages, 276KB)

The Criminal Complaint was also in the public records but 
heretofore published:

  http://cryptome.org/usa-v-sklyarov.htm

Submissions in Support of Dmitry:

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of education and achievement, letters of colleagues, friends and 
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2001-08-06 Thread Frog2


This will sound crazy to most readers, but the "World Socialist Web
Site" ("Published by the International Committee of the Fourth
International") is a pretty good source of news.

You have to ignore some jibes at free markets and the like, but I like
it better than the New York Times, The Economist, CNN, and Wired.  The
articles are oriented to providing information rather than
entertainment.  (No reporters reporting on reporting with cute leads
like 'If it's true that Al Gore created the Internet, then I created
the "Al Gore created the Internet" story.')

For example, this article on HIV in rural China is good:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/aug2001/aids-a06.shtml

HIV spread like crazy in rural China because commercial blood
collection centers mixed the blood of several people before separation
and return to the donors.  "The operators were generally government
bodies, such as hospitals, or private entrepreneurs connected with
government officials."

The Chinese government has discouraged efforts to honestly educate the
population about HIV, including banning ads recommending the use of
condoms as a prevention measure.

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illustrates the problem of governments that view change with fear and
suspicion and actively prevent constructive responses to serious
problems.  While China has achieved more horrific results, the basic
behavior of the U.S. government towards cloning, cryptography, and the
Net, is not fundamentally different.

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