Death Pen
YORK: Racial bias, incompetent law enforcement and political pressure on judges are key factors behind a serious error rate in the US's death penalty system, according to a new study. Heavy and indiscriminate use of capital punishment in some states, such as Texas and Florida, magnifies the problem and increases the risk of innocent people being sentenced to death. The time has come to fix the death penalty or end it, concludes the study, A Broken System by researchers at New York's Columbia University. There is growing awareness that serious, reversible error permeates the system, putting innocent lives at risk, heightening the suffering of victims, leaving killers at large, wasting tax dollars and failing citizens and the justice system. The study is the second part of a landmark examination of US death penalty cases from 1973 to 1995. The first instalment, released in June 2000, found courts reversed 68 per cent of death verdicts. The report claims the incompetence of defence lawyers, misconduct of police and prosecutors and bias of jurors and judges accounted for 76 per cent of the reversals. In 82 per cent of cases, the defendant did not receive the death sentence at retrial, including 9 per cent who were exonerated. Since 1975, 99 inmates have been freed from death row. The study finds high reversal rates in areas where the homicide risk for whites is higher than for blacks and in jurisdictions where local authorities have poor crime-fighting records. Further, the more often and directly state trial judges are subject to popular election, and the more partisan those elections are, the higher the state's rate of error. The study also finds significant discrepancies within states. In Lexington County, South Carolina, the death sentence was imposed 93 times per 1000 homicides. In Richland County, a few kilometres away, the rate was 9 per 1000. The capital system is collapsing under the weight of error and the risk of executing the innocent is high, research leader James Liebman said. Professor Liebman opposes capital punishment and critics charge the study is skewed to reflect his views. They say the fact errors are detected and sentences reversed shows the system is not broken.
Re: DC to get spycams --no choice but to accept it
At 04:28 PM 02/13/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: The American television program The Agency had a refreshingly honest angle on this whole thing: British surveillance nazis were busy using the ubiquitous cameras in parks to look up the skirts of attractive women sitting on the park benches. (The cameras are shown as having zooms and some very tightly crotched, er, cropped images are easy to get. While surveillance cameras may not typically have angles suitable for that specific application, the general tendency that seems to show up with surveillance cameras has in fact been that they're used much more for looking at attractive women than stopping crime. (And that doesn't even count the X10 cameras)
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The US and Russia lock up more of their citizens than anywhere else.
England has proportionately more people in prison than China, Saudi Arabia or Turkey, MORE... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4354935,00.html There's a blogger I recommend for links alone.A spiffing collection. http://www.hullocentral.demon.co.uk/site/anfin.htm I leave here in case my hard drive chucks it it. We are like people born in a cage and unable to visualize any world beyond our familiar bars of prejudice and superstition. That Opinion the Few create in order to control the Many has seen to it that we are kept in permanent ignorance of our actual estate. Even so, a number of prisoners are testing the bars -Gore Vidal
Re: Stole their back?
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stole their back? This doesn't look like a misspelling, as the Hamming distance to any other word I can think of (bike?) is larger than most typos. So, this is a Britishism I am not familiar with. It isn't. Sounds more like a typo. -- Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frank Harrill and Brent Braun need killing.
Law Enforcement Agencies Warning. FBI agent Frank Harrill of the Los Angeles cybercrime squad. FBI supervisory agent Brent Braun, who heads the Los Angeles office's securities fraud investigations. Cyber Law Enforcement Organization: http://www.cyberlawenforcement.org APster justice posse is coming,You can run but don't ever try to hide. The fight for the future is not between the armies of leading states, nor are its weapons those of traditional armed forces. What all have in common is that they operate in small, dispersed units that can deploy anywhere, anytime to penetrate and disrupt. They all feature network forms of organization, doctrine, strategy, and technology attuned to the information age. And, from the Intifadah to the drug war, they are proving very hard to beat. -- John Arquilla, David Ronfeldt (editors), Networks and Netwars: The Future of Terror, Crime, and Militancy, November 2001.
Is Tim May,Aimee Farr?
Whoahh! Hold on there, Jimbo! You're crossing the line. You're coming perilously close to actually calling for the killing of a federal judge. My recollection is that a couple of folks have been arrested and charged for calling for the killing of judges. You can skirt the issue by saying, in your literal reading mode, that you have not called for any such thing. However, we have read your assassination politics stuff ad nauseum, and it is clear from your language above that you are suggesting that this judge be made the target of one of your betting pools. This is a plausible reading of your words. What may save your bacon, if any law enforcement or district attorney types are reading this, is that you are sort of the neighborhood whacko and your ramblings are unlikely to be acted upon by anyone, including yourself. Still, it does your idea no good to be talking about using your assassination politics scheme to have a judge whacked. --Tim May I'm fairly certain you just crossed the Rubicon. ~Aimee Even if they aren't one fat cat they're both clearly pussies.Kill the president,pr.
Choate as Dr pangloss.
I believe I understand the basic concepts of AP - perhaps not the far-reaching implications, but the fundamentals. I've thought about it, and I am against this system. What will happen when you've killed off all of the politicians/gov't employees who haven't quit? Do you really think this will make things better? 1. There will be no politicans and government employees, except for those few who do not arouse the ire of more than a tiny fraction of the population, and are paid for by voluntary contributions. In other words, damn few. 2. There will be no taxes and no war. Any disputes will be of very small scale, a handful of people at most. 3. Individuals will be able to, and in fact will be responsible to defend themselves, although they may be able to do it by proxy. People will always have the option of defending others, and will do so if they believe that it deters future crimes that might be against them. Anarchy simply won't work with people. Have you ever read Lord of the Flies? I'm sure some people haven't. Yes, I read it years ago. That book is fiction. Whether it represents any sort of potential reality is highly questionable. Even its premise is stilted: It hypothesizes a tiny, essentially homogenous society populated by immature boys, dropped into circumstances entirely foreign from anything they had ever known, with no adult guidance at all. Can you really expect good results from this, in fiction no less? Would it have made a good book if everything had happened hunky-dory? Anyway, anarchy is tradionally considered unstable because the strong are able to oppress the weak, and the weak can't effectively fight back, so governments are instituted. The system I've described, AP, allows a substantial number of anonymous weak people to (anonymously) pool their resources and defend themselves against a smaller number of strong oppressors. This is NEW. It may, in fact, allow anarchy to exist in a stable form, which may sound like an oxymoron but is not. If anarchy does indeed work, when suitably stabilized, then your premise is simply wrong. Have any of you AP proponents considered that perhaps our oh-so-corrupt government officials are simply the best that our amoral, decaying populace has to offer? What would we gain by rubbing them out? I see we have another Dr. Pangloss here. the best of all possible worlds. We have plenty to gain by removing them from their positions of power. They are wasteful parasites. They engage in make-work. They manipulate the rest of us. They criminalize activities that should not be crimes. They make us waste our resources, for example by keeping ever-larger numbers of people in jail and prison. They are protected by militaries, which are wasteful uses of our resources. Ultimately, they end up killing huge numbers of people, ultimately just to protect the supremacy of these government employees and officeholders. Maybe the current form of government isn't perfect, or even great, but it is still much better than anything that could possibly result from anonymous terrorism, which is really what AP is, isn't it? Who is to say that we even need a government? What, exactly, is the function of a government? Is that function truly necessary? Remember, AP changes the political landscape substantially. You can't any longer say things like governmnet is necessary so that we can protect ourselves against foreign nations, because there will no longer be any foreign nations, or foreign armies, etc. Peace can only be achieved by understanding, not through force or fear. Sounds like a truism that isn't necessarily true. Don't deny individuals the right to defend themselves. If you do, then you actually encourage force used against them, and magnify their fear. Don't selectively apply this rule to ordinary citizens, while forgetting to apply it to officials. And maybe we don't really even need to achieve peace. I've come to the conclusion that the only reason war is necessary is to protect the leadership of a country, not to protect its citizens. Remove that leadership from power, and peace will be automatic. Jim Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anarchist Q+A,Direct Democracy.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, proffr11 wrote: Representative democracy mediated by a constitution is the most efficient form of democracy (which is the most efficient form of government) Direct democracy by definition is more efficient than representative. You know not of what you speak. -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
The Tim May Hoax
Fraud and liar hoist by his own little petard.HAHAHA! At 09:05 PM 5/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. What is this cyber-anarchy (or Cyber-Anarchy) you keep talking about? (Yeah, yeah. Okay, I forgot the trademark. But I still can't find the circle-C on my keyboard!) My point is actually not so much one of claiming credit for something I've been involved with since 1988, as being somewhat critical of the all-too-common tendency I see of _renaming_ something without adding any new content. Jim Bell calls his set of ideas cyber-anarchy, and certain journalists have picked up on this (as with the Australian article). But with the exception of the one variant of anonymous markets, namely, assassination politics, most or all of the other ideas of his cyber-anarchy seem to be encompassed by the already-existing term. --Tim May Boycott Big Brother Inside software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. _renaming_ something without adding any new content. Like the anarchy half ofcrypto-anarchy,should have run with cyber-liberty eh,you senile shyster,you.Your reputations shot,tammy,give it up faggot.
Slashdot | David Brin on Privacy
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/02/14/0458214.shtml?tid=158 -- -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
Slashdot | The Crime of Sharing
http://slashdot.org/yro/02/02/14/0453219.shtml?tid=166 -- -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | US targets Saddam
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,649917,00.html -- -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
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Crypto Campaign finance law reform.
Because you know they'll never do it. It may sound strange that Jim Bell actually proposed CFLR on this list in 1996.Even stranger that this was well after AP. Jim just contributed so much to this list its well worth burrowing in the archives.The gist of it was simply to compel encrypted contributions.They know they're getting them but not who from. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/@thecapitol/cfr/index.html Has something on this.Personally I hope a plane comes in their window.Kill the president,pr. Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called terrorists, we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold
[Reformatted] stalking requires intent to create fear
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Optimizzin Al-gorithym) writes: [re Kirkland, Jim Bell, etc.] http://latimes.com/news/local/la-11272feb13.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia Stalking Law Called Too Narrow for Meg Ryan Fan Crime: Officials must prove he meant to cause fear when he broke into a Malibu home he thought was actress'. By ANNA GORMAN, TIMES STAFF WRITER John Michael Hughes gave a simple, if incredible, explanation to sheriff's deputies for why he broke into a Malibu house last month. His fiancee forgot to leave a key under the mat, so he had to smash the bedroom window to climb inside. The woman Hughes calls his fiancee is actress Meg Ryan, who says she has never met the 30-year-old former real estate agent from Florida. Hughes, who was also convicted last year of attempting to enter President Bush's Texas ranch with firearms, reacted with disbelief when a detective told him he was not engaged to Ryan. Hughes said that no matter where in the world Ryan was, he would find her. Though Hughes might seem like an ideal candidate for charges under California's anti-stalking law, prosecutors say he doesn't fit the narrow legal definition of a stalker because they cannot prove that he intended to cause fear in the actress--no matter how fearful she now is. Although the state has made great strides in the last decade in cracking down on stalkers, prosecutors say, the Hughes case highlights weaknesses that remain. snip
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Airbrushed out of Hirstory.
Indymedia no longer has an Ohio valley IMC,this site had almost daily posts from me following the law enforcement fuckup last year.All news of this that was kept in the legal* section off the main Indymedia site has been moved. I know not where.I don't rate myself anywhere near ralph Mc Gehee so Occam's says its all just snafu.Still...paranoia is a cryptographers chronic complaint.Some porn shlockmeister is now cybersquatting on the OVIMC.Its weird... I wouldn't blame the IMC's for not risking being shut down,they had enough hassle with the SS and FBI goombahs in Seattle.Some of the individual IMC's censored me anyway.Selah,it might be time to turn pro. When action grows unprofitable, gather information; when information grows unprofitable, sleep. Ursula K. LeGuin, The Left Hand of Darkness
more walmart domestic surveillance
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/13/inv.teddy.bear.terrorist/index.html Alert issued for potential teddy bear bombs LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The FBI has issued an alert to 350 law enforcement agencies in the southwest and Salt Lake City for potential Valentine teddy bear bombs after a suspicious transaction at a Wal-Mart last month. Law enforcement sources said authorities also were on the alert at airports in case the suspected bear-bombs might be carried onto airplanes on Valentine's Day. The FBI said a clean-shaven male, possibly of Middle Eastern descent, purchased nine Valentine teddy bears, 20 inches tall, and 14 canisters of propane, 9 inches tall, small enough to fit inside the teddy bears. The man also bought 12 packets of BBs -- small, round projectiles usually fired from air guns. He paid in cash on January 15 at the Wal-Mart in Stevenson Ranch, California, about 25 miles north of Los Angeles. He left in a white GMC or Chevrolet delivery truck. After September 11, that purchase warrants that we take a closer look, FBI spokesman Matthew McLaughlin said. Authorities were notified February 4, McLaughlin said. Authorities emphasized that the man has committed no crime, but the purchase has raised suspicions and authorities want to question him about it. At the same time, authorities want Americans to be on the lookout for suspicious packages on Valentine's Day due to the level of concern over the purchase. The man was captured on surveillance tape and his picture was included in the alert to law enforcement agencies. [Propane, and propane accessories?]
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: Jim Bell was arrested for stalking protected persons. Not even our military is exposed to the sort of personalized fear and exposure that public servants and their families experience today. Maybe they shouldn't have become public servants, then. War is an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will. Where a man's family is concerned, words count. WTF is this supposed to mean? I'm fairly certain you just crossed the Rubicon. You make even less sense than proffr.
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Re: DC to get spycams --no choice but to accept it
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Greg Newby wrote: In Brin's world, there would also be cameras in the DC police departments for us to watch the watchers. More: Shouldn't mention Brin, as his symmetry assumption (re quis custodiet) is never true, yet interpreted superficially is very much like public biometrics apology. Near-future high-quality biometrics extraction could be cheaply integrated into surveillance gear, and given ubiquitous wireless allow realtime database matching and data warehousing. Such capabilities are much too powerful to trust people with.
David brin,Choate need killing.
Brin for a real stinker of an idea,except it might make it easier for APster assassins to find him,BUT NO! and you Choate,why do you drag in these slashshite stories? One was by a republican party contributor,perry Barlow, who also deserves to die.He has not had the decency yet to kill himself.What possible interest could these slashshite CRAP stories have for cypherpunks? If your not fucking CoinTelPro your the next worse thing.SPAM OFF FUCKWIT! Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called terrorists, we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
Leitl: I wrote: War is an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will. Where a man's family is concerned, words count. WTF is this supposed to mean? See Clausewitz. I'm fairly certain you just crossed the Rubicon. You make even less sense than proffr. See 49 BC Julius Ceasar. ~Aimee
Re: DC to get spycams --no choice but to accept it
On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 07:43 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Greg Newby wrote: In Brin's world, there would also be cameras in the DC police departments for us to watch the watchers. More: Shouldn't mention Brin, as his symmetry assumption (re quis custodiet) is never true, yet interpreted superficially is very much like public biometrics apology. Precisely so. Brin's formulation is flawed from the onset by the monopoly of use of force that the State has. We'll watch you, and you'll watch us!, except the State has the guns, the tax power, the control, the ability to set up areas where no cameras can legally be placed. Imagine the situation in Iran or Afghanistan if they implemented BrinWorld: The mullahs outlaw televisions, radios, magazines, Western books, and whatever else their theocracy dislikes. Imagine that the mullahs themselves are being watched by video cameras. Would this lessen the oppressiveness of the theocratic, totalitarian state? Of course not. Because the issue is NOT mostly about whether cops follow the rules, which is where BrinWorld went off the rails. The issue is not really who will watch the watchers. That's minor compared to the more fundamental issues of state power and coercion, whether watched with video cameras or not. The notion that a Panopticon (everything being watched) is desirable is one of the weirdest mutations of political theory in the past century. --Tim May A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. --Robert A. Heinlein
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: See Clausewitz. See 49 BC Julius Ceasar. See failure to provide context.
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
-- On 13 Feb 2002, at 12:16, Aimee Farr wrote: Jim Bell was arrested for stalking protected persons. Not even our military is exposed to the sort of personalized fear and exposure that public servants and their families experience today.' Perhaps that is because the military do not usually perform criminal acts against US citizens. Some time back a dot con company well known to many on the cypherpunks list (though not in a specifically cryptographic business) went broke, in a fashion that was highly profitable for its CFO and perhaps a few others, and highly unprofitable for everyone else. This was theoretically legal according to the SEC. The CFO is an aquaintance of an aquaintance of mine. His mansion is now surrounded by bodyguards, two of whom were recently shot in an assassination attempt. He has become extremely reclusive. I think he deserves to be shot, and you deserve to be shot considerably more than he does. Why should you be a protected person and he not be a protected person. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG EVp4xC4e1giMfRiHb4/rKQF77SvmMMKwMGwAyqkR 40pHu+iIBlJhJhpwgd06wNsMAR+ZcI5lkKz6M0AFS
Re: DC to get spycams --no choice but to accept it
Tim May wrote: The notion that a Panopticon (everything being watched) is desirable is one of the weirdest mutations of political theory in the past century. Bentham's Panopticon has beguiled watchers since its invention. What the notion does is hypnotize the watchers into believing they really do see everything, and this notion still inspires vast funding for surveillance programs around the globe. But those who are supposedly being watched can fairly quickly learn that the watchers are drunkened by their surveillance conceits, as prisoners did in Bentham's day, and devise means and methods to hide in the inevitable gaps in oversight systems. What surveillance systems do, and the more powerful the more corrupting, is to lull the operators and the customers into diminished awareness of human ingenuity and capability, literally becoming numbed to daily challenges to keep senses alert and responsive to new perceptions not known or understood at the time the oversight systems were devised. Another consequence of panopticonism is the heightened susceptibility of abuse, bribery, blackmail and coercion of the operators and the customers. As well as the production of phony revelations and disinformation about the systems capabilities and applicabilities. Practitioners of panopticonism and counter-panopticonism are at each others' throats with wild claims and counterclaims, and the most common accusation is criminality, which may be laughable in a field where criminality is by definition moot. Panopticonists always presume to be above the law, asserting that they serve to undergird law and its enforcement, and thus must be free of law's constraints to assure that the outer limits of law are protected. Counter-panopticists hoot at this, for they know from field experience how much the surveillists miss, then lie about. Spying, intelligence, and their counters and customers are inheritors of Bentham's alluring scam. Recall that Bentham's panopticon only works for believers in an omniscient deity. And those who believe in arms laughed at Bentham's success with the credulous in getting them to give up the fight without bearing arms. As we know about contemporary surveillance systems: a large percentage of them are dummies which work as well as the semi-credible real things. Again, as with deities and satellites and Wall Street offerings, not to mention in this holy cave, strong crypto.
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
Eugene Leitl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: See Clausewitz. See 49 BC Julius Ceasar. See failure to provide context. There's a fine balance between assuming a common background which provides shorthand referents, and being a showoff. Carl von Clausewitz was a Prussian militarist and intellectual around 1800. He is mainly remembered for his book 'On War' which was the first Western theoretical treatise on war and warfare. http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/On_War/ONWARTOC.html Julius Ceasar was one of the principles in the Roman Civil War. In 49 BC he and his army crossed the Rubicon, a river outside of Rome. This is regarded as the tipping point at which he showed himself to be fully committed to seizing power. After you cross the Rubicon, there is no going back. Peter Trei
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: There's a fine balance between assuming a common background which provides shorthand referents, and being a showoff. Um, I resolved the references just fine. It's just I missed the context, because proffr goes to /dev/null
RE: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: Peter wrote: See Clausewitz. See 49 BC Julius Ceasar. See failure to provide context. There's a fine balance between assuming a common background which provides shorthand referents, and being a showoff. Are you serious? It didn't even occur to me that anyone here might have a problem understanding what she was getting at. Thoughtful of you to bring everyone up to speed, but she's no more showing off than anyone else here who absorbed obscure cultural referents into their particular conceptual landscapes. If someone threw around all the buzz phrases cypherpunks take forgranted to a bunch of lawyers, they'd see you exactly the same way. Accusations of showing off tend to be an excellent defense mechanism against the embarassment of feeling left out of the conversation. ~Faustine. I still wish she'd read the Herman Kahn though... ;) *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPGv6t/g5Tuca7bfvEQIeMACePDJ7Tez9lL/tGHgIKR/J/cvrYF0An2If LYtmwDtQA3kvhJ1aay1I0CRs =t6qu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: FBI Web Cache Mirror
Why don't you block their IP's and email them that you'll gladly accept a $100 donation monthly for a monthly CD. :) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, John Young wrote: We had an e-mail exchange today with the FBI about a bot coming to Cryptome daily to grab new files and to check on old ones. We complained about the bot taking over the site during its visit. The FBI explained that the visits are part of a web cache mirroring process: http://cryptome.org/fbi-web-mirror.htm We would appreciate hearing of other sites being mirrored by the FBI. The IP address range of the MAS program: 65.207.53.xxx We have no objection to the FBI mirroring or by anybody else, but misconfigured bots have been an annoyance for repeatedly downloading old files, racking up tens of thousands error logs. One today produced over 16MB of log files before we got the user to wake up. Misconfigured WGet, as often, was the culprit.
Re: Bush Adviser Warns Cyberterrorists (washingtonpost.com)
Nice A well-planned and well-executed cyberattack on America wouldn't just mean the temporary loss of e-mail and instant messaging, said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. Terrorists could gain access to the digital controls for the nation's utilities, power grids, air traffic control systems and nuclear power plants. So either Schumer is smoking crack or he knows something. If he knows something then those in charge of our nation's utilities, power grids, ATC, and nuke plans are complete morons for placing the digital controls on their web sites. I especially love this line... We reserve the right to respond in any way appropriate: through covert action, through military action, any one of the tools available to the president, Richard Clarke said at a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on cyberterrorism. So, some dork in China runs an nmap of www.fbi.gov, and off we go nuking China... Gee, who decides what's appropriate? So far we've had the linking of the drug war to the terrorists, just to feed one horseman off the other's droppings, now we seem to be adding cyber to the list of horesmen... And from the smell of it Bush is looking for yet another war to start... Gee, from ape like dolt to warmonger, in what, one year? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6846-2002Feb13.html
Re: [Reformatted] freedom of speech, religion WINS in HA mandatory youth
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Anonymous wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Major Variola ret) writes: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/kitv/20020206/lo/1070536_1.html KITV 4 News saw piercings, dyed hair and bare midriffs. However, the school's written policy states the following are not allowed in classrooms: gang-related clothing, or clothing promoting alcohol, tobacco, profanity, or Satanism. So I wonder if gang members wear shoes, underwear, socks, t-shirts, baseball hats, shirts, or pants... Well then I guess none of the students can wear those... But wait, how about the mafia, they're a gang right? I wonder if well dressed mafiosos wear suits, ties, and dress shoes? and if on Friday's they wear khaki's and polo shirts... Well then in that case both the students and the teachers should come to school naked.
Slashdot: Serial cables now illegal due to DMCA
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/02/14/1745238.shtml?tid=123 James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Say a goodnight prayer for joshua.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: Not even our military is exposed to the sort of personalized fear and exposure that public servants and their families experience today. Pure Karma... I thought the military were supposed to be public servants. Although the British government is now proposing a law to license private mercenary companies. Really, really, truly. Ken
Re: Stole their back?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Feb 2002, at 17:48, Eric Cordian wrote: Stole their back? I'll guess hack, aka cab here. hack doesn't mean cab. Once upon a time a hackney carriage was a kind of cab, but that is the century before last. My guess is backpack. George But it said locked outside a police station. Bikes are just about the only thing anyone locks to anything in the street. Has to be bike. In a universe where Choate can consistently type loose for lose and responce for response (Freudian, eh?) back for bike is believable. Typos can be of the brain. Back to the topic - to someone who doesn't care about their own privacy, more cameras can be a rational policy. They don't prevent crime, they move it. So you might rationally vote for more cameras in places you go to, and not care about places you don't. The vast majority of these cameras are privately owned, on shops and offices. The ones run by local councils or the police tend to be at busy town-centre locations, frequented by many voters. Suburban areas are, and always have been, more violent than city centres - depending on what you mean by suburban. Many so-called inner city districts are in fact poor or badly-run suburbs. Ken
Re: Research shows just how much people hate a winner...
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Jim Choate wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, proffr11 wrote: experiment measures the dark side of human nature. As did the Stanley Milgram experiments,Choate extrapolates that anarchy utopia's are impossible from stuff like this. 1st he confuses anarchists and utopians and mixes them up. Not at all. The anarchist promise that 'if only...' we'll get rid of central government and go to a ad hoc contract society all our problems will be minimized and our solutions will be maximized. That game theory and economic theory are the apogee of human societal models. If not then what pray tell is anarchy offering? It certainly looks upon all other forms of government as flawed, dangerous, and abusive. It actively promotes their destruction. So what? Communism looks upon other forms of government as flawed, dangerous and abusive. Democracy looks upon other forms of government as flawed, dangerous and abusive. Fascisim looks upon other forms of government as flawed, dangerous and abusive. Socialism looks upon other forms of government as flawed, dangerous and abusive. Hell, if they DIDN'T, they'd switch their forms of government. What does Fascism offer? What does communism offer? What does Socialism offer? What does Anarchy offer? They're all different. They all have their good and bad points, and in the end that all depends on who is holding the guns. Explain how people are supposed to work openly and equitably in a anarchist society when they're all running around cheating behind each others backs? Um, what? Explain how people are supposed to work openly and equitably in a communist society when they're all running around cheating behind each others backs? Ditto for any other form of government. Since when does one's form of government indicate one's honesty? If your statement were true, then there would be no crime in a democracy because everyone would be honest. Yeah, uh huh. One of, if not THE, bedrocks of the anarchy creedo is that people act rationaly once government is removed. Where is this written? Oh, yes, must be in the Declaration of Independance that you keep pointing to? Oh, yeah, inChoatePrime it is, uh huh... This clearly indicates this fundamental issue, as presented by the CACL philosophies in general (they all rely heavily - too heavily - on pedandic game theory), is a major weakness. Again, who are these mythical CACL's you refer to? I certainly don't know of any on this mailing list. Could you point some out to us, and could you tell us what their philosophies in general are? People are NOT rational. Interesting overgeneralization. If people are not rational, they they are not rational with or without a government. Witout government the petty squabbles of everyday life explode into a hatfield and mccoy escapade, that with todays technology seems less than survivable. Right. Why don't we change that around a bit with another falacy and state Without Christianity to keep people honest, life explodes into a Hatfield and McCoy escapade. It's also just as wrong. Morality, and Ethics are independant of governments, religeons, or anything else you'd care to throw in there. CACL philosophy in general is exatrapolated from a flawed understanding of human nature. Again, can you show me where the great book of CACL is? Can you point out where CACL philosophy is? As to being too pessimistic...do the body count for the 20th centry and then take a look at what is around the corner. Yeah, and the majority of the majority of the that count was caused by (Drum Roll please...) GOVERNMENTS! Without governments, there would be no wars. Without wars, the large scale casualties caused by wars would disappear. Pull your head out of whatever dark hole you have it in. Indeed! There is only one answer: Democracy. There is only one answer: GET A CLUE! Equality for all under the law, with protections of the rights of the minority (including the one), coupled with the right of individual self defence. That sure doesn't sound like a democracy to me. In a democracy two wolves and one sheep vote on what's for dinner. It doesn't promise to solve any of your problems, but it does promise to keep others from involving you in theirs. Sure it does. Try telling that one to the tax man. Tell the tax man my finances are none of your business. uh huh...
Re: [Reformatted] freedom of speech, religion WINS in HA mandatory youth
On 14 Feb 2002, at 10:20, Sunder wrote: But wait, how about the mafia, they're a gang right? I wonder if well dressed mafiosos wear suits, ties, and dress shoes? and if on Friday's they wear khaki's and polo shirts... Well then in that case both the students and the teachers should come to school naked. Should make giving speeches easier. They say the secret to avoiding nervousness is to picture the audience naked. That should be a lot easier if they really are naked! George
Re: Stole their back?
Ken Brown auto-carps: Suburban areas are, and always have been, more violent than city centres - depending on what you mean by suburban. Many so-called inner city districts are in fact poor or badly-run suburbs. I meant, of course, Some suburban areas. Ken
RFC for TBP 1.0 (teddy bear protocol)
Now, imagine the following: terrorists become sensible and THREE of them engage in the shopping spree: One buys gas canisters, one buys pellets and one buys teddy bears. Yes, there is a conspiracy but how does the government protect us from it ? Obviously, by matching the purchase records with personal contact/communication records. So Ms. Farr will be glad to know, that in order to protect us, her government will consider you a potential terrorist if someone you exchanged (encrypted) mail with bought the pellets in the same week in which you bought teddy bears. In order to prevent this, we need a website at which all pellet purchases will be announced, so that our friends and business partners avoid purchasing teddy bears at the same time. http://www.smh.com.au/news/0202/14/world/world103.html Valentine's teddy bear bomb alert Los Angeles: US law enforcement authorities today issued a warning of a possible Valentine's Day teddy bear bomb threat after a man went on a suspicious shopping spree that included buying nine cuddly toys. The FBI said a man, possibly of Arab descent, bought 14 gas canisters, 12 packages of lead gun pellets and nine white Valentine teddy bears at Stevenson Ranch in California on January 15. We don't know why he bought this or what he was going to use it for, FBI spokesman Matt McLaughlin said. It's possible he had nine Valentines ... but we believe this could also be used as an explosive device, he added. FBI spokeswoman Laura Bosley said authorities had been alerted to the purchases by an anonymous tip but added that the man -- who was between 22 and 35 years old -- was not a suspect. This man isn't a suspect but we want the public to be aware that this might be considered suspicious activity so that they can be conscious if they receive, for instance, an anonymous gift in the form of a teddy bear. Detectives want to interview the man who made the suspicious purchases and have asked the public to come forward with any information about him. AFP
Re: RFC for TBP 1.0 (teddy bear protocol)
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, An Metet wrote: In order to prevent this, we need a website at which all pellet purchases will be announced, so that our friends and business partners avoid purchasing teddy bears at the same time. And even that is not enough. If somebody wants to frame you as terrorist and your public key is public, then he can put you on a tight leash by buying things at inconvinient time - after sending you an encrypted bulk email. -- Mikko There is no social entity with a good that undergoes some sacrifice for its own good. There are only individual people, different individual people, with their own individual lives. Using one of these people for the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing more. - Robert Nozick
Re: RFC for TBP 1.0 (teddy bear protocol)
And even that is not enough. If somebody wants to frame you as terrorist and your public key is public, then he can put you on a tight leash by Only fools publish their public key ... expecting an anonymous freedom fighter from Bananagua to give them crucial world-saving information, I guess. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com
RE: RFC for TBP 1.0 (teddy bear protocol)
So Ms. Farr will be glad to know, that in order to protect us, her government will consider you a potential terrorist if someone you exchanged (encrypted) mail with bought the pellets in the same week in which you bought teddy bears. Don't tell me how I think or feel, what a cheap shot. Ms. Farr thinks the best thing we can do is valiantly protect your liberties, and avoid being provoked into a repressive orientation by fear, and into division by uncertainty. When you see these things, you are probably offended and perceive a bad future. I see visions of the death of a nation. (Romans sacrificed too much of their liberty for safety, it's one of the reasons they lost it, and fought two centuries of guerrilla warfare in Spain.) I would rather fight on my feet, than live on my knees. But war always means sacrifice, and sometimes you do have to duck. At any rate, I really don't think that your problem is with the likes of me. ...I well know the character of that senseless monster the people, unable either to support the present or foresee the future, always desirous of attempting the impossible, and of rushing headlong to its ruin. Yet your unthinking folly shall not induce me to permit your own destruction, nor to betray the trust committed to me by my sovereign and yours. Success in war depends less on intrepidity than on prudence to await, to distinguish, and to seize the decisive moment of fortune. You appear to regard the present contest as a game of hazard, which you might determine by a single throw of the dice; but I, at least, have learnt from experience to prefer security to speed. But it seems that you offer to reinforce my troops and to march with them against the enemy. Where then have you acquired your knowledge of war? And what true soldier is not aware that the result of a battle must chiefly rest on the skill and discipline of combatants? Ours is a real enemy in the field; we march to a battle and not to a review. --Belisarius, 537 ~Aimee
Adm. Poindexter, a known felon
ADMIRAL POINDEXTER! Get back on Felix The Cat where you belong! Get the damn pipe out of your mouth! You're history, you're gone! THE UNTOUCHABLES -Frank Zappa [1] No one knows who's in my dream... I mean it must be high or low. That is, I can't you know, tune in, but it's all right. (I mean that.) That is, I think it's not too bad. (Actual testimony of John Poindexter) The Texas Motel -Frank Zappa [1] # One of the main figures in the Iran-Contra affair, Oliver North's boss. # Lied in front of a Congressional investigative panel and would have served # a felony conviction if it wasn't for the pardon from George Bush. Get back on Felix The Cat where you belong! ^ # Yes it is [cartoon character], and one of the characters on the show was # a geeky guy named Poindexter. For anyone growing up in America, the primary # association of the name Poindexter is with Felix the Cat.
domestic teddy bear surveillance
Quoth Anon: Now, imagine the following: terrorists become sensible and THREE of them engage in the shopping spree: One buys gas canisters, one buys pellets and one buys teddy bears. Yes, there is a conspiracy but how does the government protect us from it ? Obviously, by matching the purchase records with personal contact/communication records. Ted Kacyzninski manufactured his own shrapnel from junk-yard metal. Pellet purchasing bombers are lazy. Has no one considered that all those Teddy Bears were for the purchaser's wives? It is Utah, after all.
Re: USMS OK Disappear
The attorney also argued: 1. Austin was labelled a terrorist by his NY jailers, a mean-ass bunch who relish hammering the foreign bombers under their TLC. Jailers are generally wannabe cops who were too stupid to pass ---in NYC, they answered the do you enjoy sodomizing immigrants with plunger handles question truthfully.
MS security fix introduces security hole
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=581u=/nm/20020214/tc_nm/tech_microsoft_security_dc_22 Microsoft Web Toolkit Has Security Loophole -Expert Thu Feb 14, 2:43 PM ET By Elinor Mills Abreu SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A security expert said on Thursday that a feature that was added to make Microsoft Corp.'s new Web services development tool kit more secure would actually leave the software open to attack from hackers. The discovery comes as the software giant puts a greater emphasis on security in the hopes that computer users will feel comfortable using its new Web services, which promise access to any software program from any device over the Internet. Microsoft has long been criticized as sacrificing security for functionality in its products, leaving millions of Windows users to contend with viruses and other security issues that can compromise data and networks. The new flaw was discovered in Visual C++ .NET, also called version 7, and could affect any type of software program a developer chooses to write with the tool kit, according to Gary McGraw, chief technology officer of Dulles, Virginia-based Cigital Inc., a software risk management consultancy. The flawed feature was intended to allow developers to provide greater security to the software they write for Microsoft's new .NET Web services platform, announced by the company with fanfare on Wednesday, he said. The feature was designed and implemented incorrectly. Instead of protecting, it doesn't do anything, said McGraw, author of a book called Building Secure Software. Specifically, the bug is in the software that compiles source code into code the machine can understand, he said, adding that the bug allows for a common type of security vulnerability called a buffer overflow, which could allow a remote attacker to take control of a computer. snip
Re: Preventing double spending
George [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chaum's digital cash system in several places seems to rely on having the customer affirmitively identify himself to the bank, for example in order to prevent double spending. There are two general approaches to ecash protocols, online and offline. This applies to Chaum's protocol which has: - an online version where the payee has to deposit the coin at the time he receives it to guarantee it hasn't been double spent. - an offline version where the payee deposits some time later, but is assured that if the coin is double spent, the bank will learn the identity of the person who withdrew the coin. It's too late to prevent the double spending as the payees are not online with each other. The withdrawl protocol embeds the identity of the withdrawer in the coin such that if it is spent twice two equations are revealed which can be solved to compute the withdrawers identity. I think this would represent a fatal flaw for the adoption of such a system, because 1) many potential early adopters wouldn't be willing to trust the system not to somehow leak the identity That could be a problem for example with software bug resulting in accidental double spending. The bank wouldn't be able to distinguish necessarily between that and intentional double spending. and 2) in any case, they would be unwilling to identify themselves as users of the system, and certainly unwilling to reveal how much digital cash they were buying. Well the DigiCash technology, and I presume still Ecash Technologies which bought the patents and has/had some description of a product suite on it's web page is the same, were both using the online protocol. In fact the basic offline Chaum protocol is quite inefficient as it uses cut-and-choose, though see [1] for a more efficient variant. Tying the withdrawal (and deposit) to a bank account was an arbitrary policy / business decision not related to the protocols. So it would be quite possible with online Chaum e-cash to have accountless operation. Similarly I quite agree with your comments on financial privacy of not wanting necessarily to reveal the volume of withdrawals and deposits, and it is also quite possible to have accountless deposit (you just get fresh anonymous cash for your deposited cash). So the low tech approach to your question is to use the online protocols which removes the need for identity in the withdrawal protocol. Another problem is, in a free-banking world, it's quite likely that many banks will themselves cheat given a chance. All sorts of potential problems here, but I think at bare minimum you'd like to be able to ask for some kind of proof if the bank tells you, that coin's no good, it's been spent already. You could make the coin contain a serial number which is the hash of a random number. If you have a coin you were given you will know the preimage, the bank will not. If they claim it's spent but can't show you the preimage, they're lying. So here's my idea: the customer has to buy coins in batches of size 100. He creates an identity (public-private key pair) for that batch. He has to generate something like 1000 coins and the bank uses the cut-and-choose protocol to verify that all the coins correspond to the same identity. Now comes the part that I don't know how to do, and the question is, is this even possible? The idea is, that these coins aren't the same as typical Chaumian coins, they are supposed to retain the property that, assuming they're only spent once, they can't be correlated with each other, but if someone attempts to spend a coin twice, not only will his identity be revealed, but it will also become possible to recognize coins issued to the same identity and invalidate them all when the cheater attempts to use them. Probably you could do that with Brands' ecash protocol, it's much more flexible than Chaum's protocols. One approach that might work is to construct a trap-door in the unlinkability of the coins. Then when a coin double spent the trap-door key is revealed and you could link the remaining coins. The tricky part is you would have to convince the bank that the coins you submitted had this trap-door property with a zero-knowledge proof. Brands' coins can have multiple attributes which can have quite arbitrary values. You show the bank the attributes during withdrawal, but the resulting secret-key certificate is blinded and so unlinkable. When a coin is shown normally (spent) a user selected subset of the attributes can be revealed.When a coin is double spent all of the attributes are revealed. Also the offline version of Brands' ecash has an efficient withdrawal protocol compared to Chaum's cut and choose. There are a number of interesting degrees of flexibility with Brands' protocols. If you're interested to explore do I'd recommend reading [2] which I find more accessible than his thesis book. Anyone interested in applications
Comcast Admits To Spying on Customers
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/16316.html Comcast Admits To Spying on Customers By Tim McDonald www.NewsFactor.com, Part of the NewsFactor Network February 13, 2002 Stored data can be subpoenaed by law enforcement officials or by lawyers in civil cases - and it can be stolen. Cable Internet giant Comcast (Nasdaq: CMCSK) reportedly has begun tracking the Web browsing habits of its customers, keeping records of every Web page they visit. The company has roughly 1 million high-speed Internet customers. The third largest cable TV company behind ATT Cable and AOL Time Warner (NYSE: AOL), Comcast admitted that it stores the Internet Protocol (IP) addresses -- unique numeric Internet addresses assigned to subscribers -- along with the Internet address of every Web page subscribers visit. Jeffrey Chester of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Digital Democracy, a nonprofit watchdog group, called the tracking incredibly aggressive. It's not a surprise they are tracking what people are doing, it's just the tip of the iceberg, Chester told NewsFactor. The next generation of broadband services provided by Comcast and others allows for this kind of tracking. The whole business model moving forward for cable and the television industry generally is one which emulates the deeply personalized e-commerce strategies. Sensitive Information Comcast also said it stores sensitive information, such as credit card numbers and passwords, in a database managed by network infrastructure specialist Inktomi (Nasdaq: INKT). Stored data can be subpoenaed by law enforcement officials or lawyers in civil cases -- and, as has been proven several times, it can be stolen. For example, last week, a database with thousands of records involving potential Comcast Business Communication Internet customers was found exposed on the Web. Comcast said the snooping was part of a technological overhaul launched to save money, according to wire service reports. However, Inktomi, which sold the technology to Comcast, asserted that Comcast was collecting more information than was absolutely necessary for technological enhancements. Leading Role Comcast claimed the tracking is permitted in its service agreement with subscribers and said it does not intend to infringe on the privacy of its customers. The company would not say how long the information it collected was stored. A company spokesperson said that customers' Web browsing is being recorded in Detroit, Michigan, and parts of Delaware and Virginia, and that such tracking will spread across the United States by the end of this week. Personalized television is really the cornerstone of the plan Comcast and others have for the convergence of television with the Internet in the broadband online medium, Chester said. So, technologies are being deployed, strategies are being developed, investments are being made in hardware and software and applications all across the board -- and Comcast is playing the leading role in that regard. Excuse for Privacy Erosion? Some civil libertarian groups have openly expressed concern about the erosion of online privacy in the aftermath of the September 11th terrorist strikes. The FBI has been particularly aggressive in rooting out online evidence, serving ISPs with warrants under a 1978 antiterrorism law. The privacy debate has been placed on the back burner, conveniently for companies like Comcast, because of the concern over security since September 11th, Chester said. As this and other incidents will undoubtedly show, we need strong consumer safeguards when it comes to cable broadband. More Cities 'Digitized' Comcast announced a fourth-quarter net loss of US$321 million, due mainly to its costly effort to migrate customers from @Home, the broadband Internet service provider that recently filed for bankruptcy. The company has said it plans to add more high-speed Internet customers and is planning to spend $1.3 billion to get more cities digitized. Comcast made a winning bid of $72 billion for ATT Broadband in December. If the deal is approved by shareholders, the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communications Commission, it will result in the largest cable ISP in the United States, with 2.2 million high-speed Internet customers. The combined company would be called ATT Comcast Corp.
ftc making noises against anon email
uh oh. ftc making noises against anonymous email as a way to fight spam.. hm http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/13/anonymous.email.idg/index.html
RE: Cruel and unusual punishment
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Aimee Farr wrote: You are the one that seeks to solve a political issue at the point of the sword. That's war, not a Lincoln-Douglas debate. I believe my Gen. Paine is more qualified to speak to the issue. General Paine should know all about seeking political solutions at the point of a sword, considering the way he handled his career and its outcome. The Lincoln-Douglas debate was war, just not the direct confrontational kind. If you don't believe it, see what happened after Lincoln was elected. Assassination: the choice of an incompetent generation. Then the entire history of mankind is one incompetent leader after another, quite a few of them who were succesfull anyway. -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
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Old Chomsky lecture on the Mideast cris(es) (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:40:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Old Chomsky lecture on the Mideast cris(es) Useful background information on the historical record of conflict in the mideast with a focus on US roles. From a lecture at MIT in December 2000. THE CURRENT CRISES IN THE MIDDLE EAST: WHAT CAN WE DO? http://web.media.mit.edu/~nitin/mideast/chomsky_lecture.html
Re: Choate charged over molesting small gerbils
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Sunder wrote: On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Sunder wrote: Your failure is this: votes can and are bought in a democracy. And in every other form of government, including CACL based ones where 'everything has a price'... AND Including a democracy. And therefore, democracy isn't a panacea to the ills you see in society. Nobody said it was a panacea, that's why we have a constitution and bill of rights. Democracy, at least constitutional ones, recognize that people don't play fair, in particular if they are in the majority. Something CACL philosophy has no clue on. Bullshit. Businesses are artificial entitites. Like a football game or changing a babies diaper are entities I suppose. A business is nothing more than an activity that people engage in. Take the poeple away and you have nothing. Each of these citizens, whether management or employee has the right to vote. As individuals, yes. However, they do not have the right to gang up and use economics in order to give increased weight to their vote. It's that equal representation thingy... donations. Donations may be made out of personal pockets, or out of the funds of the corporation. No, donations should NEVER come from a business, they have zero representation in a democracy. Money is NOT a measure of value in a democracy, it is a means to enable that democracy and for INDIVIDUALS to pursue happiness. Like it or not, votes, and representatives are bought. To claim that this isn't so, I never claimed that. In fact I claim exactly the opposite. That business interests DO influence our government in a negative way. But unlike all other forms of government, democracy does not even (strictly) recognize the rights of business (which ARE NOT people and DO NOT have rights) have input into government. Much of this was changed after the Civil War, for example the corporation law of 1870. Irrelevant. Not if they're buying undue influence it isn't, even you agreed to that. One person is one vote in a democracy, Which pretty much blows your justification for allowing businesses to participate. but we are not in a democracy. Repeat after me We are a republic. Repeat, a republic is a representative democracy. Fascist or not. (Never mind that earlier you were pushing for veiled socialism by implying that society shouldn't shun, and should provide food and shelter for the lazy also.) Liar. Really? So it was Some Other Choate(TM) who earlier was pushing for veiled socialism by implying that shunning should not be allowed in any circumstance, and also that everyone should be clothed, fed, and have shelter? I NEVER said 'shunning' shouldn't be allowed on the individual basis (I don't like you and would shun you) but there is no place for a democratic socity to shun anyone (whether they be black, poor, or women for example). A society, at least the American democarcy we live in, is built upon the concept of us working together in order to defend ourselves. The ONLY way to do that is to recognize that all people are created equal and that in order to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness people must be provided with the basics of sustenance if they are unable to do it themselves. This does NOT mean they do not accrue a contra coup responsibility. Charity is not endless. However, if you don't provide these basics then you create an environment that will lead to your own destruction. There is a big difference between providing legal, medical, and basic life sustenance through civil mechanisms and trying to set everyone up in a mansion. You seem to miss the distinction. http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.25-2000.10.01/msg00212.html http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.25-2000.10.01/msg00238.html (Where you also humorously say I don't know about the law but... and go on to imply that business may not have rules pertaining to behavior, and imply that they should allow people to kiss openly - ok, you said lesbians, but that's irrelevant to my point here.) I said that business should not have rules about behaviour UNLESS it can be shown that behaviour impacts the business. The owners of that business have a right to protect their pursuit of happiness, they don't have a right to take their personal philosophy or beliefs and use the business to 'punish' others who hold different beliefs. There is no place for 'freedom for me but not for thee' in a democracy. And http://www.der-keiler.de/Mailing-Lists/Cypherpunks/2001-11/0792.html Where you state C-A-C-L's would let people die from thirst before interfering in a 'free market'. Others would say screw the market and give that man a drink. implying that CACLs are evil while socialism is better. No, stating openly that CACL philosphy has a fundamental flaw in its concept of self defence and property rights. It's why we have that clause in the
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http://sg.news.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-89476.html -- -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
Dont Buy For Me Argentina
Remember Bartertown in Mad Max where people came out from the hinterland to the market settlement which had sprung up in a post-apocalypse world? Well its coming to that in Argentina. FROM http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news319.htm SEE ALSO STORIES HERE... http://www.cyberclass.net/bartable.htm How can enterprizing C/punks defraud these suckers? Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times. When Cypherpunks are called terrorists, we will have done our jobs. Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold
Gibberers Decline and Fall of the US Empire.
In economic terms, the US has actually been in decline relative to the rest of the world since it accounted for half the world's output after the second world war. In the past few years its share has bounced back to nearly 30% on some measures, partly because of the Soviet implosion and Japanese stagnation, and partly because of America's own long boom. But in the medium term, the strain of military overstretch is likely to make itself felt. More immediately, the US could face regional challenges, perhaps from China or Russia, which it would surely balk at pushing to military conflict. Then there is the likelihood of social eruptions in client states like Saudi Arabia which no amount of military technology will be able to see off. America's greatest defeat was, it should not be forgotten, inflicted by a peasant army in Vietnam. US room for manoeuvre may well prove more limited than might appear' ( Seumas Milne via Guardian ) See also this Robert Kuttner article See also assassination politicsby Jim Bell.
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Re: ftc making noises against anon email
I don't believe the article mentions the FTC. On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 06:05:31PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh oh. ftc making noises against anonymous email as a way to fight spam.. hm http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/02/13/anonymous.email.idg/index.html
domestic teddy bear surveillance
Yes, there is a conspiracy but how does the government protect us from it ? Obviously, by matching the purchase records with personal contact/communication records. Ted Kacyzninski manufactured his own shrapnel from junk-yard metal. Pellet purchasing bombers are lazy. Has no one considered that all those Teddy Bears were for the purchaser's wives? It is Utah, after all. During the Quebec ruckus a catapult was used to fire teddy bears over the fence,jaggi singh ,who was snatched and held prisoner for weeks,had teddy bears become a mascot and rallying symbol for his release.Hirstory repeating as farce? I'm old enough to remember Brideshead revisited and my own little teddy.Rupert the naughty bear was a horny cartoon from the OZ streetpaper whose suppression became a cause celebre.Teddys have recently been evicted from Dr's waiting rooms here in au.They are a health hazard after all.Just went to Post office where they have a special on teddy's.Deja matrix view? Anyone read the Tao of pooh? When encryption is outlawed only #$@#$%**%$$$@@)(*!@^%$##**#
Re: LNE C-punks archive
On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 11:57 AM, Steve Furlong wrote: - All of the messages from lne appears in the list. I've heard suggestions for filtering out prolific but pointless posters, but I would rather keep all of the traffic from the list. I'm currently working on having two sets of indexes, one with all traffic and one with selected posters removed. (If anyone has suggestions on how to do this with hypermail without requiring constant manual intervention, please let me know.) I think filtering out the list members who post incorrect thoughts is a fine idea. As for how best to do it, maybe past censors are available to act as aribters of who is useless, who posts incorrect ideas, who must be filtered for legal reasons, who must be censored to avoid insulting employers, and so on. - I have no idea of what kind of traffic to expect from this archive. I'll keep it up for a few weeks, at least. If my ISP comes down on me, or my machine becomes unusable from traffic, or it undergoes constant hack attempts, I'll reconsider my options. Ah, an archive that starts on 2-13-02, deep in the twilight of the gods, and ends maybe in a few weeks. A quaint idea. Never mind my suggestions above. Yours is not really a serious archive. ObYoung: Do as thou wilt shall be the hole of the INSLAW. --Tim May
nude burglars vs. capitalism
Quoth PT: In India, there are gangs of nudist burglers. They run into a house, forcing the inhabitants to retreat/leave out of embarassment, then carry items to a waiting car. I suppose, not requiring *any* investment, these are among the most uncapitalist folks around. The pigs, at least, feel compelled to buy uniforms. Reminds me of an online photo taken in Sweden round Gothenburg police riots last year.It was on Indymedia,(should still be there though their video storage filled up.) The photo showed the back view of naked activist confronting a black and blue line of plastic peanut riot police.Indy look like adding new sites soon inc one in China.P trei can run off and warn his Chinese gestapo mates now,fuck him,he's a dead man. PS.good movie by louis malle called the thief of Paris. starred J.Paul Belmondo.circa.67.Also Tampa tushy fest 1.S.Butts
Re: Property Rights
Chomp Chomp Chomp ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: Jim Choate wrote: I disagree. Life Property. One can have life with absolutely no property. One can not have property without life. Simple proof using reductio ad absurdam: Your example is absurd, I agree. And easily proven to be false. Let us assume you are correct, and the right to life does NOT imply any right to property. An individual has a right to life, they have a right to eat, sleep, etc. Consider the following hypothetical (but feasible) scenario: But now you've changed the game, instead of talking about the rights of the individual you are now talking about the consequences of n-party interactions. Not the same thing at all. Your argument is a strawman. A stalks B. Whenever B acquires food or drink, A deprives him of it. B has no right to property, so A has done no wrong. Ah, you agree then that 'property right' has to do with self defence which requires two (2) parties. If there is no second party to take the property there is nothing to defend against and hence the concept of 'property' within the context of the individual becomes moot. Hence, right to life is not congruent to property rights (which is an individual right even if no other people are around). But rather property rights ARE congruent to self defence rights (which makes no sense if no other people are around). In other words, a single individual has no property rights but rather those rights come out of the interaction of one or more individuals. -- James Choate - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ssz.com
Old Chomsky lecture on the Mideast cris(es) (fwd),
The Lying Liar Who Always Lies.(A homage to jamesd) I have written this about that lying liar Noam Chomsky to show that nothing Chomsky, that lying apologist for tyranny, mass murder, and brutal inequality of power says can be believed, because that lying liar is always lying, and to illustrate his methods of deceiving his readers. When that lying liar Chomsky lies, he does not say plainly in so many words X is true, instead he uses convoluted, indirect, and lawyer-like sentences that lead the reader to believe that X is true, and that Chomsky has presented a well documented case that X is true, whereas in fact that lying liar Chomsky, that lying apologist for tyranny, brutal inequality of power, and mass murder _has not actually said X at all_. That lying apologist for totalitarianism phrases things in such a way as to give the reader a false impression without actually stating the lie in so many words, so whenever one of his lies is exposed, that lying liar Chomsky's lying fans lie Ah, but Chomsky did not actually say X. Even though any true-believing anarcho-capitalist who -- like me -- defends property rights by stealing from Herman and Chomsky, reading the work in dispute would get the impression, after just a few hours of mental squinting and having refused to take my thorazine for a couple weeks, that that lying liar Chomsky had somehow or other _meant_ to lie and say X even though he _didn't_ say X. And that lying liar Chomsky probably just does this to make me look like a fool or a lunatic when I post that he's lying by saying X, and his fans can then lie that he never said X and when I look again, I see that he _didn't_ actually say X but not-X. That lying bastard. Whether he said X or didn't say X, he damn well _meant_ X and was lying when he meant X whether he said X or not-X. That lying liar is always lying and he always lies. MORE ON http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html#parod
Re: LNE C-punks archive
Never mind my suggestions above. Yours is not really a serious archive. ObYoung: Do as thou wilt shall be the hole of the INSLAW. --Tim May Theres hope for the old geezer yet!.(or else he really has become senile.) I am working on a serious archive of selected posts.Please bear with me till this meisterwork of datamined filtration,distillation and pith is published.I'm afraid I don't trust Bloggers.(unless they've been around as long as you crypt-kickers.) It would assist if no one here mentions my name.I wouldn't feel obliged to respond then.Momma dont let your children grow up to be C/punks. Liberty without socialism is privilege,injustice;socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.Mikhail Bakunin.
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If you are having first-hand experience running an encrypted file system on FreeBSD, could you please get in touch with me? Thanks, --Lucky
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