Re: Prosecutors' Contention That Hotmail E-mail Is Extremely Difficult To Trace
-- On 5 Sep 2002 at 16:48, Steve Schear wrote: 3. After September 11, 2001, the FBI learned that Moussaoui had used a computer at Kinko s, in Eagan, Minnesota, to connect to the internet. When the FBI learned that Moussaoui had used a computer at Kinko s, the FBI investigated that Kinko s store and was informed that the Kinko s had since erased the data from its computers, as is Kinko s regular practice. Accordingly, the FBI did not seize the computers from Kinko s, Eagan, Minnesota. Moral: Always make erasing unneeded data a regular practice, if you want to keep your computers. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG u8fODkiRQptIbG0Gx/8TsyWhAaSyUi6bqxXcPoch 2gQB3HYsyrY6lY1CcTlNf5xm+nfdUNkDNFH91bpFH
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Candidates for a Necklacing.
The Colorado Activists' Spy Files. Keeping US one step ahead of THEM! The Colorado Activist's Spy Files. The Mile High Resistance's Answer to the files held by the Denver Police Department. We thought it only fair that if they could keep files on us, we could keep files on THEM. This page is dedicated to protecting Colorado's activists from infiltrators, spies and provacatuers by publishing their faces on the internet. We also need your help with this project. If you have pictures of undercover cops (federal or local) or of undercover cops cars send them to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] coloradicals.org/pigs/spy.html Colorado Citizens Get Access To Their Spy Files Tuesday was the first day that the Denver Police Department's spy files were made available to the victims of unconstitutional police intelligence gathering in that city. The files, whose existence was first made public by the ACLU of Colorado in March, include video and surveillance reports on people attending peaceful, legal protests. The police targeted some 3200 people and 208 organizations, labeling many criminal extremist, like the American Friends Service Committee, an 85-year-old pacifist Quaker group that has won the Nobel Peace Prize. In one instance, the police recorded all of the license plates at an Amnesty International rally. No one has yet been held responsible for the illegal files. Some have responded by gathering spy files of their own. Read more and discuss the 'Denver Spy Files.' [ Rocky Mountain IMC | Complete Chronology of Events | Article from UK Guardian ]
Prohibition follies.
DEA Raids WAMM Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana in Santa Cruz earlier this morning. WAMM Director Valerie Corral and Mike Corral have been arrested, and the DEA is obliterating the marijuana crop they have grown for use by Californian medical marijuana patients. Photo. [ Full story here ] http://santacruz.indymedia.org/archive/features/2002/09/2002-09.html#4873 Also U.S. Plans to Fumigate in Colombia Las Vegas Sun By GEORGE GEDDA | ASSOCIATED PRESS | WASHINGTON- The State Department is planning changes in the che... Report: Herbicide Causes Eye Damage Las Vegas Sun By GEORGE GEDDA | ASSOCIATED PRESS | WASHINGTON- A government report released Thursday acknowledged ... AND http://www.narconews.com/
Shrubs threat to the www.
Worlds Worst Weapons...Kenfucky speech.A freudian slip? I don't think so. The Internet on probation (PDF) 'One year after the tragic events in New York and Washington, the Internet can be added to the list of collateral damage caused by the general spate of security measures. As a result, basic cyber-freedoms have been cut back. The countries usually criticised for not respecting human rights and freedom of expression ... have encouraged its growth as a tool of state propaganda or economic interests, but at the same time moved to control it and clamp down on criticism, argument and hopes for democracy expressed online ... It is also threatened in Western democracies, where many countries have passed laws, taken measures and adopted practices that are putting the Internet under the ferrule of the security services' ( RSF ) See also this press release, this AP coverage, and this blog entry from Tuesday http://www.hullocentral.demon.co.uk/site/anfin.htm FBI was trying to send suspect to known torturers.(but not executioners!) ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI Q - What is France's position on Moussaoui who's just admitted his responsibility in the September 11 attacks? Knowing France's position, what action can France take? Is it going to seek extradition if he's sentenced to death? That's a purely hypothetical question. Q - Yes but still? The matter is in the hands of American judicial officials and comes under the Justice Ministry. Mr. Moussaoui is being tried in the U.S. We have a general position on the death penalty: We oppose it. That holds true for Mr. Moussaoui. The American authorities have been clearly informed of this. Q - A few days ago, Mr. Moussaoui asked to meet with a French diplomat. Has he made any specific requests? Can you tell us about them? What did he ask for? Mr. Moussaoui asked to have the benefit of French consular protection. This was granted and, as we've said, the consulate general in Washington has asked to be able to visit Mr. Moussaoui according to the usual rules for consular protection, as for everyone. I understand that depending on the practical arrangements, the visit could take place this afternoon. Q - What advantages do people have under consular protection? These are stipulated in the 1963 Vienna Convention. Article 34: contacts, checking on the conditions of detention and trial. http://www.info-france-usa.org/news/briefing/us190702.asp Proffr denies bomb threat to airport. The international terminal at Sydney Airport has been evacuated after a bomb threat was received late this afternoon. All roads around the terminal have been closed and up to 400 people have been moved to an outside carpark while the building is searched. Peoples intelligence agencies ramp up online,no place to run,no place to hide... One People's Project Tracks the identities and activities of neo-nazis, fascists, and racists. http://infoshop.org/
Star Chamber for Victorian Inquisition.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5043711%255E2862,00.html A NEW elite crime-fighting body will lead the fight against serious and organised crime in a major overhaul of law enforcement being considered by the State Government. A Victorian Crime Commission could be handed coercive powers. This would remove the ability of a person it questions not to answer on the grounds of self-incrimination or legal professional privilege. MORE ON Usually its the 'conservatives' that love laura Norder,now in a race to the bottom on crime to rival that of the race to prostitute the State for Corporate criminals,the Labor party Tweedledum now outbids the Right on crime and even has them calling some of their Nazi like proposals what the are,a direct threat to long standing human and civil rights.At the same time more police powers are being proposed half the drug squad is under investigation for serious and longstandingcorruption.A 2 billion dollar drug case was just aborted due to this inquiry. It is not a great enviroment to go on trial for death threats but there is no evidence,so... http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5042497%255E2862,00.html I hope to lap up freedom before the year is out.
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Brisbane Mayor's anti war website.
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Re: Prosecutors' Contention That Hotmail E-mail Is Extremely Difficult To Trace
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Wolfram on randomness and RNGs
Background Stephen Wolfram's book, A New Kind of Science, is nothing if not interesting. This encyclopedia-sized volume traces how his fascination with cellular automata, beginning in the 1970s, led him to spend decades exploring the significance of complexity created from simple rules. I hope the following will not be too wordy and generate interest in the cryptographic implications of his work. Intrinsic Generation of Randomness In the chapter Mechanisms and Programs in Nature, pp 297 - 361, he presents his case that behavioral similarities between certain simple programs and systems in nature are no coincidence but reflect a deep correspondence. In this section he explores three mechanisms for randomness: external input (noise) captured in so-called stochastic models, those related to initial conditions (e.g., chaos theory), and those based on the behavior of simple programs described in the book and which believes are the most common in nature. Under the section The Intrinsic Generation of Randomness he presents evidence for his third mechanism in which no random input from the outside is needed, and in which the randomness is instead generated inside the systems themselves. When one says that something seems random, what one usually means in practice is that one cannot see any regularities in it. So when we say that a particular phenomenon in nature seems random, what we mean is that none of our standard methods of analysis have succeeded in finding regularities in it. To assess the randomness of a sequence produced by something like a cellular automaton, therefore, what we must do is to apply to it the same methods of analysis as we do to natural systems ... some of these methods have been well codified in standard mathematics and statistics, while others are effectively implicit in our processes of visual and other perception. But the remarkable fact is that none of these methods seem to reveal any real regularities whatsoever in the rule 30 cellular automaton sequence. And thus, so far as one can tell, this sequence is at least as random as anything we see in nature. But is it truly random? Over the past century or so, a variety of definitions of true randomness have been proposed. And according to most of these definitions, the sequence is indeed truly random. But there are a certain class of definitions which do not consider it truly random. For these definitions are based on the notion of classifying as truly random only sequences which can never be generated by any simple procedure whatsoever. Yet starting with a simple initial condition and then applying a simple cellular automaton rule constitutes a simple procedure. And as a result, the center column of rule 30 cannot be considered truly random according to such definitions. But while definitions of this type have a certain conceptual appeal, they are not likely to be useful in discussions of randomness in nature. For as we will see later in this book, it is almost certainly impossible for any natural process ever to generate a sequence which is guaranteed to be truly random according to such definitions. For our purposes more useful definitions tend to concentrate not so much on whether there exists in principle a simple way to generate a particular sequence, but rather on whether such a way can realistically be recognized by applying various kinds of analysis to the sequence. And as discussed above, there is good evidence that the center column of rule 30 is indeed random according to all reasonable definitions of this kind. So whether or not one chooses to say that the sequence is truly random, it is, as far as one can tell, at least random for all practical purposes. And in fact sequences closely related to it have been used very successfully as sources of randomness in practical computing. For many years, most kinds of computer systems and languages have had facilities for generating what they usually call random numbers. And in Mathematica ever since it was first released Random [integer] has generated 0's and 1's using exactly the rule 30 cellular automaton. The way this works is that every time Random [Integer] is called, another step in the cellular automaton evolution is performed, and the value of the cell in the center is returned. But one difference from the picture two pages ago is that for practical reasons the pattern is not allowed to grow wider and wider forever. Instead, it is wrapped around in a region that is a few hundred cells wide. One consequence of this, as discussed on page 259, is that the sequence of 0's and 1's that is generated must then eventually repeat. But even with the fastest foreseeable computers, the actual period of repetition will typically be more than a billion billion times the age of the universe. Another issue is that if one always ran the cellular automaton from page 315 with the particular initial condition shown
Re: A message from Alan I. Leshner, AAAS CEO
At 05:07 PM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: Dear Colleague: As the anniversary of September 11th approaches, AAAS continues to be engaged in issues that relate to national security and the role of science and technology. One such issue is the safe and responsible conduct of research involving biological agents and toxins. AAAS was recently asked by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to assist in alerting our members to the federal mandate (Public Law 107-188) requiring all facilities and persons that possess, use, or transfer agents or toxins considered a threat to animals, plants, animal and plant products and/or public health (called select agents) to notify the CDC and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Approximately 200,000 facilities were sent a copy of the notification form by the CDC. The deadline for submitting a completed form to the CDC is September 10, 2002. All entities that receive a copy of the form must comply, even if they do not possess a select agent or toxin. If you are in possession of a select agent or toxin and did not receive a form, you should call CDC's toll-free number: 1-866-567-4232. Thanks Alan but, This slippery slope concerning the ability of only approved researchers able to engage in science has gone too far and has got to stop. I don't accept that the right of society to protect itself from a few madmen abusers of technology means we all must carry scientist ID cards. Most of the significant discoveries, until this century, were made by amateurs. Almost all the RD I did in the 60s and 70s as an amateur are now regulated. If I do any research, using whatever chemicals I choose, I won't be filing no stinking forms. steve
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Re: Wolfram on randomness and RNGs
It would seem that while the bitstream generated by the center column of rule 30 might be a good random number source, its repeatability is the very thing that detracts from its usefulness in cryptographic application. An obviously poor application would be to have a one time pad where two parties would xor their plaintext with the bitstream produced by rule 30, starting at the top. While the resulting bitstream would appear random, an attacker with knowledge of the algorithm could just run rule 30 themselves and decode the result. To have cryptographically strong random numbers, one needs to have an *unreproducable* source of randomness -- the very thing that Wolfram seems to sneer at as being purely academic but that the above methodology makes clear. While a slightly modified approach of having both sides start at a secret row of rule 30 could be used, the key is now merely the row number; defeating the purpose. One interesting possibility might be to seed a wide row of rule 30 with bits gleamed from the environment; this would make it difficult to reproduce the bitstream without the bits representing the initial conditions, but without continuing to add bits to rows, the bit strength of the randomness is only the width of the seeded row (namely, if you're using 8 bits of randomness to seed rule 30, an attacker could brute force the 256 possibilities to find your random bitstream). The problem is, IMHO, exactly analogous to deriving randomness from irrational numbers, such as the digits of pi, e, or the square root of two; this just might be a slightly more efficient way to generate the bitstream. The point is, they're all very good sources of randomness, but the fact that their sequences are so well-defined keeps them from being a good source of secrecy; picking out which portions of the sequence to use end up becoming your secret and your sequence is truly only as unpredictable as this secret. In another sense, the sequence you're using is only as strong as its inputs. Just my $0.02; please bitchslap me if I got this wrong. David E. Weekly Founder Executive Director California Community Colocation Project (an OPG project) http://CommunityColo.net/ - the world's first non-profit colo! - Original Message - From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Wolfram on randomness and RNGs Background Stephen Wolfram's book, A New Kind of Science, is nothing if not interesting. This encyclopedia-sized volume traces how his fascination with cellular automata, beginning in the 1970s, led him to spend decades exploring the significance of complexity created from simple rules. I hope the following will not be too wordy and generate interest in the cryptographic implications of his work. Intrinsic Generation of Randomness In the chapter Mechanisms and Programs in Nature, pp 297 - 361, he presents his case that behavioral similarities between certain simple programs and systems in nature are no coincidence but reflect a deep correspondence. In this section he explores three mechanisms for randomness: external input (noise) captured in so-called stochastic models, those related to initial conditions (e.g., chaos theory), and those based on the behavior of simple programs described in the book and which believes are the most common in nature. Under the section The Intrinsic Generation of Randomness he presents evidence for his third mechanism in which no random input from the outside is needed, and in which the randomness is instead generated inside the systems themselves. When one says that something seems random, what one usually means in practice is that one cannot see any regularities in it. So when we say that a particular phenomenon in nature seems random, what we mean is that none of our standard methods of analysis have succeeded in finding regularities in it. To assess the randomness of a sequence produced by something like a cellular automaton, therefore, what we must do is to apply to it the same methods of analysis as we do to natural systems ... some of these methods have been well codified in standard mathematics and statistics, while others are effectively implicit in our processes of visual and other perception. But the remarkable fact is that none of these methods seem to reveal any real regularities whatsoever in the rule 30 cellular automaton sequence. And thus, so far as one can tell, this sequence is at least as random as anything we see in nature. But is it truly random? Over the past century or so, a variety of definitions of true randomness have been proposed. And according to most of these definitions, the sequence is indeed truly random. But there are a certain class of definitions which do not consider it truly random. For these definitions are based on the notion of classifying as truly random only sequences which can never be generated by any simple
RE: Prosecutors' Contention That Hotmail E-mail Is Extremely Difficult To Trace
James wrote: On 5 Sep 2002 at 16:48, Steve Schear wrote: 3. After September 11, 2001, the FBI learned that Moussaoui had used a computer at Kinko s, in Eagan, Minnesota, to connect to the internet. When the FBI learned that Moussaoui had used a computer at Kinko s, the FBI investigated that Kinko s store and was informed that the Kinko s had since erased the data from its computers, as is Kinko s regular practice. Accordingly, the FBI did not seize the computers from Kinko s, Eagan, Minnesota. Moral: Always make erasing unneeded data a regular practice, if you want to keep your computers. Absolutely. Furthermore, encourage your customers to encrypt their data: Some European ISPs, fed up with the costs of complying with interception warrants and subpoenas, have begun to offer discounts to customers that exclusively utilize encrypting protocols. The logic being that it is cheaper to notify law enforcement that the ISP is unable to tap the information due to the link being encrypted than it is to tap a link. --Lucky Green
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--- begin forwarded text Status: RO From: Danit Lidor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: seeking information for Wired News article Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:19:21 -0700 Hi there, I am a reporter at Wired News. We received notice of the upcoming Cypherpunks10th anniversary bash. I am thinking of writing a short article about the history and current status of the cypherpunk community. Obviously, things have changed a lot in the last 10 years. I imagine that you and other cypherpunks would have much to say on the topic. Please feel free to rant and rave to me about whatever you feel would be relevant to this kind of article. When did the Cypherpunks come into existence? Who were the founding members? What was the inital purpose? What kinds of people are involved? Who (socially, i mean, not names!) exactly are the members of the group? How many at any one time? Is it a rotating membership, with people coming and going? There has been a substantial amount of press dedicated to the Cypherpunks, what's been the community response? Have their been internal discussions about the repercussions of the media's involvment and the like? WN has had a very familiar relationship with the cypherpunks - has it been viewed as a positive thing? Have the ideals of the group changed over the years? Are there any manifestos or official statements from the group that I can access? What are the future plans for the cypherpunks? I attempted to access cypherpunks.com but most of the links are dead, why isn't anyone maintaining it? Or is it unrelated to the current community? With whom else are the cypherpunks allied? What do you, personally, have to say about the future of the Internet, privacy, legislation, hacking, phreaking, cyber terrorism, the governement. etc? and finally, who else should I be talking to? Thanks for your time. I am hoping to get the story done before the end of next week (i.e. before the actual party.) Of course, I would never publish the location of the party or any other information that you don't feel comfortable about. Danit Lidor I am also available at 415.276.3925. please leave me a message if I'm away from my desk. I am more than happy to call you back. --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: A message from Alan I. Leshner, AAAS CEO
At 05:07 PM 9/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: Dear Colleague: As the anniversary of September 11th approaches, AAAS continues to be engaged in issues that relate to national security and the role of science and technology. One such issue is the safe and responsible conduct of research involving biological agents and toxins. AAAS was recently asked by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to assist in alerting our members to the federal mandate (Public Law 107-188) requiring all facilities and persons that possess, use, or transfer agents or toxins considered a threat to animals, plants, animal and plant products and/or public health (called select agents) to notify the CDC and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Approximately 200,000 facilities were sent a copy of the notification form by the CDC. The deadline for submitting a completed form to the CDC is September 10, 2002. All entities that receive a copy of the form must comply, even if they do not possess a select agent or toxin. If you are in possession of a select agent or toxin and did not receive a form, you should call CDC's toll-free number: 1-866-567-4232. Thanks Alan but, This slippery slope concerning the ability of only approved researchers able to engage in science has gone too far and has got to stop. I don't accept that the right of society to protect itself from a few madmen abusers of technology means we all must carry scientist ID cards. Most of the significant discoveries, until this century, were made by amateurs. Almost all the RD I did in the 60s and 70s as an amateur are now regulated. If I do any research, using whatever chemicals I choose, I won't be filing no stinking forms. steve
