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Louisville, KY, Dec 9 2002, 1 PM EST: Hundreds of protesters rally in front of police headquarters in downtown Louisville. Several attempt to enter police HQ; when rebuffed, the entire crowd takes to the street. There were approximately 300-500 people in the crowd, spread out on the sidewalk in front of the police station and occupying three (out of four) lanes of traffic in the street. Around 50-75 people occupied a narrow walkway leading from the sidewalk to the police HQ main entrance. A handful of protesters attempted to enter the station but were pushed away by police. After a few tries, the group turned around and called for the whole crowd to take the street. (In fact, the crowd was on the verge of taking the street earlier, but many people asked that one lane of traffic be kept open.) The street was held for about half an hour, after which the protesters willingly dispersed. There was no sign of a police presence other than the few cops guarding the entrances to police headquarters. Throughout the demonstration the police called for the resignation of the police chief. Signs in the crowd ranged from prayerful protests to demands for the killer cops to face the death penalty. One group brought pre-printed signs showing a target on the back of a handcuffed black man; the caption read LPD Shooting Range. More details, along with more photos and videos, to be posted later http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/09/0337523 San Francisco Protests Speech By Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz 12/6:Nine activists disrupted the speech of Deputy Secretary of Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz at a lunchtime fundraiser he spoke at today in San Francisco. The activists were protesting the looming new US war on Iraq. Wolfowitz is one of the main advocates and central planners of a new war against Iraq. He is co-author of the National Security Strategy of the USA, the Administration's doctrine of global domination. Two activists, Saul Kanowitz and Anne Sadler, organizers with the Int'l ANSWER Coalition unfurled a banner reading, Stop the War on Iraq. They chanted, Stop the war against Iraq, No Blood for Oil. Seven other people stood in silence, protesting Wolfowitz, wearing T-shirts with anti-war slogans. All nine were arrested and forced out of the auditorium. 100 people protested outside the Mark Hopkins Hotel in San Francisco where Wolfowitz spoke. All nine protesters were released without charges several hours later. http://www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1548042.php
To Kill a Police Officer.
Andy McCrae's Declaration of Renewed American Independence The Declaration of a Renewed American Independence by Andrew McCrae Monday November 25, 2002 at 07:34 PM The motives behind the killing of a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California. A declaration of American rights in the face of law enforcement. We apologize to the family and friends of the Police Officer that we killed in Red Bluff, California. (Yeah right.) http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/09/6770704 Why should we kill more cops? http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/09/9733860 Police shoot handcuffed man in the back 12 times Police shoot handcuffed man in the back 12 times
RE: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
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Cult may strike again, Japanese warned December 11 2002 By Shane Green, Japan Correspondent, Tokyo Aum Shinrikyo, the doomsday cult responsible for the 1995 sarin gas attack on Tokyo's subways, may be prepared to commit random mass murder to free its guru from prison, according to a report by Japan's domestic intelligence agency. The report claims the action may coincide with the imminent sentencing of the cult's former leader, Shoko Asahara, who seems certain to face the death penalty. As the sentencing nears, it is presumed in reality that the organisation (Aum) may engage in random mass murder in connection with such schemes as the rescue of Asahara, the report says. The Public Security Investigation Agency, which deals with subversive groups, produced the report in support of its case that surveillance of the cult be extended for another three years. The Aum cult - the successor of which is named Aleph - was responsible for the 1995 Tokyo poison gas attack that killed 12 and injured thousands. In 1994, a sarin gas attack by the cult in Matsumoto, in central Japan, killed seven people. Asahara, guru of the cult, is now before the courts over the attack and other crimes. His case has been running since 1996, and is drawing to a close. He seems certain to face the death penalty, which has been handed out to eight other members of Aum. The Public Security Investigation Agency said that Aum was still encouraging murder. The agency claimed the cult's new leader, Fumihiro Joyu, was basing his sermons on a book called The Final Speech of the Great Master. Mr Joyu maintains the gas attacks were acts of charity that helped victims rid themselves of evil acts. The agency report argues that the cult maintains a doctrine of mass murder, and Asahara still wields power. http://theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/10/1039379834095.html And the Muslims are massing at the gates... Australia has been accused of being an enemy of Islam in speeches to mosques in Asia, increasing the risk of terrorist attacks, according to a leading defence expert. The director of terrorism studies at the Australian National University, Clive Williams, said Australia had first been singled out in the sermons nearly a month ago, according to regional intelligence sources. http://theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/09/1039379784146.html
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RE: The trend toward signing away rights
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote [...] Last night had a plot device on The Practice (a generally bad show...I ought to stop watching) where nearly all residents in an upscale burbclave had signed a pledge--reminiscent of my opening point--where owners of cars would invite the police to stop their cars and search them without a warrant of any kind, without even today's lax probable cause. Obedient citizen-units would place a bumper sticker on their vehicles giving up their Fourth Amendment expectations of being secure in their papers and possessions. Those who didn't have the bumper sticker, well, there are a _lot_ of cops out there with nothing better to do between donut breaks than to stop cars without stickers for suspicious reasons. (I wonder what would happen if a bumper sticker said I support the Fourth Amendment. Just in case you don't, I have a gun.) Reality precedes fiction. Around Boston I sometimes see cars with an odd little sticker in the back window, white, round, with a stylized blue car in the top half (it can also be read as the face of someone wearing a fedora, peering out from under the brim). If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. I prefer the This car protected by Smith Wesson stickers. They that give up essential liberties to obtain temporary safety will soon have neither libery or safety. Peter Trei
RE: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute. Also Moving on (fwd)
Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at three different domains) I tested. Which seems rather obvious since I'm finding them to forward them. Whatever the resolution problem is, it's on your end or some betwix the two. Sorry you're having the problem but there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps you should talk to your nameserver operator(s). Just another data point: They work fine for me as well. Peter Trei
Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Disput e. Also Moving on (fwd)
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 10:04:09AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at three different domains) I tested. Which seems rather obvious since I'm finding them to forward them. Whatever the resolution problem is, it's on your end or some betwix the two. Sorry you're having the problem but there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps you should talk to your nameserver operator(s). Just another data point: They work fine for me as well. Peter Trei And it works okay here now too. Don't know why their DNS wasn't getting propagated everywhere, although I used to see that a bit with USWest up in MN. Maybe I'll change nameservers -- gave up on ameritech's quite awhile ago. Ameritech, BTW, is a seriously bad ISP. Their mail servers and dns servers are down an awful lot, and apparantly now they frown on dsl users setting up their own smtp servers -- I can no longer mail to other ameritech accounts, it gets rejected with a Use your local ameritech mail server message. PITA -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
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RE: CDR: Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)
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[2600.com] Update On The Mike Maginnis Story
[ the radio interview with this guy can be found here: http://www.2600.com/offthehook/rafiles/2002/120402.mp3 ] http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1455 UPDATE ON THE MIKE MAGINNIS STORY Posted 10 Dec 2002 08:15:20 UTC 2600 has received a tremendous amount of correspondence regarding the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and the news article that followed, in which Mike Maginnis told his story of harassment by the Secret Service. Although many readers find Maginnis's story highly believable, others have criticized the article due to a lack of corroborating evidence. It is true that Maginnis was given no paperwork in relation to his ordeal, and so far no one has come forward as a witness to Maginnis's arrest across from the Adams Mark Hotel in Denver. Quite a number of people have written in with similar stories of harassment for taking pictures of everything from trains to motorcades to public buildings. Others have expressed a degree of skepticism, some even accusing us of all kinds of things from being anti-American to engaging in shoddy journalism. As much as we disagree and find offense in such statements, we actually understand much of the feeling behind such anger. We believe this outrage is a not-so-distant relative of the outrage that we feel when we report on stories like the Maginnis case. In this instance, those who chose not to believe the story aimed their anger at us for saying something they found offensive. And that's something we can agree with - it WAS offensive. The difference is that we also believe it was real. We think it's right to be skeptical when reading any news account and that we should be treated no differently. We'd like to think that every story reported on in the mainstream media is questioned thoroughly, although we all know this is rarely the case. In the end, whether it's 2600 or Time, the decision on whether there is truth in a report lies with the reader. This story has been frustrating for us because - like those who have sent us mail - we want there to be a smoking gun, some way of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the events told to us by Mike Maginnis were completely accurate. As is often the case in a story of injustice, particularly when that injustice involves law enforcement, we're often left with a solitary voice calling attention to it. When that happens, we're faced with a difficult decision - do we not devote any attention at all to what happened because there wasn't a crowd of witnesses? Or do we give the person an opportunity to be heard and base our conclusions on what they say and how they respond to questions, along with some rudimentary fact checking? In this instance, we chose the latter and we have no regrets at all for doing so. We believe the story is accurate for a number of reasons. * First off, very little can be gained from making such accusations against law enforcement in the town where you live. It's almost literally like painting a big target on your back. And we all know what happens when you piss off the Secret Service. It's unlikely someone would put themselves in this position unless they were either completely insane or telling the truth. At the very least, Maginnis stands to be ridiculed for claiming to be detained by police when they deny ever having had him in custody. * We were unable to find any holes or inconsistencies in the story as Maginnis told it when interviewed on our radio program. Not one person who has written in has been able to either. In his firsthand account of his experience, Maginnis comes across as highly credible. We encourage all readers to listen to the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and make a personal judgment as to his credibility. Maginnis was also completely up front about previously getting into trouble for trespassing. That admission alone could risk his being labeled as a troublemaker who deserved what he got. But if he wasn't telling the truth about what happened last week, why make that admission in the first place? * Maginnis has intentionally not spoken to other news media. If he was seriously pursuing any type of political or social cause, speaking to the major media would have been the next logical step after 2600. There are a number of news organizations attempting to contact Maginnis through us but he has requested that his privacy not be invaded any further. * Most importantly, it's a very believable scenario. As mentioned above, we've gotten reports of all sorts of similar encounters. They include a man being threatened with arrest by a Secret Service agent in front of the same hotel for overtly attempting to photograph the agent. We've been aware of other such occurrences well before this story broke. Those who believe such an event cannot happen in our country have simply not been paying attention to what's been going on. It seems a foregone conclusion that the United States is heading in a direction of increased civil rights
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
Trei, Peter wrote: If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. This is parents using the police to control their own children.
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. I once bought an old black Ford LTD that already had one of these stickers on it. And driving the thing to/from graduate school in Harlem for several years, I had never been stopped once. (Though the drug dealers over on East 143rd Street would scatter when I drove down the block.) _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: [2600.com] Update On The Mike Maginnis Story
eJazeera, Baby! That guy should have had a tiny laptop or something that could wisk those images off the moment an 802.l1 port was detected. (Actually, it should wisk off a copy of the photos EVERY time an 802.11 port is detected!) In addition, wouldn't it be great if he had actually had a digital camera that had the capability to auto-upload the images when sensing a WiFi link? (And since I'm wishing, perhaps it could take photographs automatically when handled...) This could result in the ironic possibility that the authorities themselves might (inadvertantly) cause the uploads, perhaps even with photos of their faces staring into the (live) camera they are examining. From: Myers Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [2600.com] Update On The Mike Maginnis Story Date: 10 Dec 2002 11:35:30 -0500 [ the radio interview with this guy can be found here: http://www.2600.com/offthehook/rafiles/2002/120402.mp3 ] http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1455 UPDATE ON THE MIKE MAGINNIS STORY Posted 10 Dec 2002 08:15:20 UTC 2600 has received a tremendous amount of correspondence regarding the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and the news article that followed, in which Mike Maginnis told his story of harassment by the Secret Service. Although many readers find Maginnis's story highly believable, others have criticized the article due to a lack of corroborating evidence. It is true that Maginnis was given no paperwork in relation to his ordeal, and so far no one has come forward as a witness to Maginnis's arrest across from the Adams Mark Hotel in Denver. Quite a number of people have written in with similar stories of harassment for taking pictures of everything from trains to motorcades to public buildings. Others have expressed a degree of skepticism, some even accusing us of all kinds of things from being anti-American to engaging in shoddy journalism. As much as we disagree and find offense in such statements, we actually understand much of the feeling behind such anger. We believe this outrage is a not-so-distant relative of the outrage that we feel when we report on stories like the Maginnis case. In this instance, those who chose not to believe the story aimed their anger at us for saying something they found offensive. And that's something we can agree with - it WAS offensive. The difference is that we also believe it was real. We think it's right to be skeptical when reading any news account and that we should be treated no differently. We'd like to think that every story reported on in the mainstream media is questioned thoroughly, although we all know this is rarely the case. In the end, whether it's 2600 or Time, the decision on whether there is truth in a report lies with the reader. This story has been frustrating for us because - like those who have sent us mail - we want there to be a smoking gun, some way of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the events told to us by Mike Maginnis were completely accurate. As is often the case in a story of injustice, particularly when that injustice involves law enforcement, we're often left with a solitary voice calling attention to it. When that happens, we're faced with a difficult decision - do we not devote any attention at all to what happened because there wasn't a crowd of witnesses? Or do we give the person an opportunity to be heard and base our conclusions on what they say and how they respond to questions, along with some rudimentary fact checking? In this instance, we chose the latter and we have no regrets at all for doing so. We believe the story is accurate for a number of reasons. * First off, very little can be gained from making such accusations against law enforcement in the town where you live. It's almost literally like painting a big target on your back. And we all know what happens when you piss off the Secret Service. It's unlikely someone would put themselves in this position unless they were either completely insane or telling the truth. At the very least, Maginnis stands to be ridiculed for claiming to be detained by police when they deny ever having had him in custody. * We were unable to find any holes or inconsistencies in the story as Maginnis told it when interviewed on our radio program. Not one person who has written in has been able to either. In his firsthand account of his experience, Maginnis comes across as highly credible. We encourage all readers to listen to the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and make a personal judgment as to his credibility. Maginnis was also completely up front about previously getting into trouble for trespassing. That admission alone could risk his being labeled as a troublemaker who deserved what he got. But if he wasn't telling the truth about what happened last week, why make that admission in the first place? * Maginnis has intentionally not spoken to other news media. If he was seriously
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
At 08:24 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: Last night had a plot device on The Practice (a generally bad show...I ought to stop watching) where nearly all residents in an upscale burbclave had signed a pledge--reminiscent of my opening point--where owners of cars would invite the police to stop their cars and search them without a warrant of any kind, without even today's lax probable cause. Obedient citizen-units would place a bumper sticker on their vehicles giving up their Fourth Amendment expectations of being secure in their papers and possessions. I had a somewhat heated discussion with an HR person at a former company. She was explaining the federal laws regarding harassment. I found at least one aspect untenable: jokes. As I understand the current laws, its actionable for offending jokes to be made on the workplace premises or other places where company business is being conducted. The regulations made it incumbent that the teller determine prior to the joke whether any within earshot might potentially be offended. Sine this might be problematic, given the difficulty of gauging a priori any particular person's sensitivities, the HR person said to be safe, no jokes with sexual, racial, etc. content should be told. (I knew of one incident at this company where an employee was given a stern warning and pressured to offer up a formal apology, for what seemed to me to be a rather innocuous comment.) Anyway, I offered what seemed to me to be a good libertarian solution: an opt-in humor group. Employees who had preferences regarding particular humor could display a color coded Joker's Club badge. Tellers could now quickly glance around and know if an intended utterance would offend. The HR person became almost uncontrollable incensed, saying such an approach could stigmatize those who decided not to display a badge and was therefore discriminatory and illegal. Sheesh! If I ever start a US-based company, it will definitely include a Joker's Club. steve
Nice Graphic of a no-Gutnick.
At the economist over the no-Gutnick farce... http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1489053 ...Victoria, which has some of the severest libel laws in any established democracy... I should remember that...BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG! ...The Victoria court ruled that, in fact, publication also took place in Victoria when the articles appeared on subscribers computer screens, and so the case could be tried locally. Dow Jones appealed. The Australian high court has now confirmed the earlier ruling. Mr Gutnick will be able to pursue his case in the lower state-court. This is just the latest in a string of cases in which courts worldwide have struggled to cope with the question of who has jurisdiction in the borderless domain of cyberspace. These have involved not just defamation, but criminal law as well. The most celebrated has been a case brought against Yahoo!, an Internet portal, for the sale of Nazi memorabilia on one of its auction websites, which a French court ruled breached French law against the display of Nazi insignia. Although Yahoo promptly banned all hate paraphernalia from its auction sites, it has continued to fight enforcement of the French ruling in American courts. It has won its case in an American federal court on the grounds of Americas first amendment free-speech protections, but French civil-rights campaigners have appealed, and the case is now being heard by a federal appeals court. In a more ominous development, Andrew Meldrum, an American reporter, was prosecuted this year by Robert Mugabes repressive government in Zimbabwe for publishing a falsehood in an article published on the website of the Guardian. Mr Meldrum (who also writes for The Economist) was ultimately acquitted of the charge, but the Zimbabwe court had no hesitation about claiming jurisdiction in the case, and Mr Meldrum faced the possibility of two years in jail. It is the possibility of global liability, in both criminal and defamation law, which now worries big media companies. However, the outcome of the Australian case may not be as damaging as these companies fear. For one thing, it was not much of a surprise. Settled law in most countries has long allowed defamation suits to be brought against publishers wherever their publication is circulated, irrespective of where they based their operations or did their printing. For example, Britain, where libel laws have long favoured the plaintiff, has always been a favourite forum for such suits, even against foreign newspapers with minimal circulations in Britain. Similar cases in the United States have allowed plaintiffs to sue locally, though no American state libel laws are as restrictive of press freedoms as British laws. In the Australian case, the high court limited its ruling by saying that a libel action could be brought only if the person had a reputation in the place where the material was published, in this case Mr Gutnicks home city of Melbourne. If the ruling is followed as a precedent by other nations' courts, as publishers fear, then this limitation alone could stop a frenzy of jurisdiction-shopping by plaintiffs. Moreover, libel cases are expensive to pursue. The threat of a wave of cases may be more theoretical than realistic. Not many people have the deep pockets of Mr Gutnick, who made his money in mining. Nevertheless, one thing the Gutnick case does highlight is that national laws in a wide array of areas, not just libel, now seem to be out of step with the realities of the Internet. This tangle will take years to sort out, and is likely to require unprecedented co-operation among national governments, in criminal law enforcement as well as civil lawsuits. In the case of libel itself, there seem to be two obvious paths, but both are fraught with difficulties. Governments might agree international rules for libel. But with different traditions on how much latitude a free press should have, reaching agreement is bound to be difficult. Alternatively, technology may yet come to the rescue. Software that allows websites to identify the geographical location of a visitor is becoming ever more refined. Eventually, it may allow publishers to block access to anyone in certain countries where libel laws pose too much of a risk. The use of such blocking softwarewhich is also being deployed by repressive governments such as Chinas and Saudi Arabiasmight well offer publishers a persuasive legal defence in libel lawsuits, even if users found a way to obtain an offending article. Many publishers and Internet enthusiasts will view the spread of such technology as a tragedy, fragmenting the Internet just as it promises to be an engine for global free speech and creativity. But the technology might also push governments into relaxing their restrictions on speech and publication. Voters in Melbourne are unlikely to be happy to discover that they cannot access mainstream websites
One of the most interesting things about the Gutnick case for mine is...
...the rare loss by Geoffrey Robertson who is one of those legends like Gary,(Ruby Ridge,Karen Silkwood,etc) Spence,Jimmy Cochrane and Clarence Darrow. That there will be a world war between the law and the net seems assured. Reading this recently...The Making of a Country Lawyer, revealing through a painfully honest autobiography how a country lawyer became one of the greatest trial lawyers of our time (St. Martin's Press 1996); I was struck by how little republicans have changed,or have to change.The formula has not varied in 50 years.Campaign agin big gubbermint and hah taxas and lie,lie,lie. http://smswy.com/spencebio.html Gary ran for repuke-lians in the 60's.or there-bouts.Nothings changed.FU Barlow. Geoffrey Robertsons not a bad read either... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dbooks%26field-author%3DRobertson%20QC%2C%20Geoffrey/ref%3Dpd%5Fsimart%5Fdetail/103-9189407-9809425 The justice game.RICOmennded. For Darrow,I wouldn't have remembered him but for,'Big trouble,' by Lukas. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/DARROW.HTM The Big Bill Haywood trial. For a big trial commemoration... 1865 -- Birth of August Spies, one of the Haymarket anarchists, labor agitator, victim of anti-anarchist repression. That I have made myself generally obnoxious to the extortionists fleecers during my management of the Arbeiter Zeitung [the Chicago German labor newspaper Spies edited] -- this I need hardly add... I am proud of the enemies, no less of the friends I have made. A time will come, when from our coffins Will rise a powerful voice, Stronger than that which you want now to choke, A thousand times stronger, more striking! These were the last words of Spies... Hangmen, what do you gain from this? Did you annihilate the spiritual giant? Did you extinguish the sun? August Spies, by David Edelshtat (Oct 10, 1890; translated from Yiddish by Ori Kiritz) from, Kiritz, Ori. The Poetics of Anarchy: David Edelshtat's Revolutionary Poetry. Frankfurt: Lang, Europaischer Verlag der Wissenschaften, 1997. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAspies.htm http://athena.louisville.edu/a-s/english/subcultures/anarchists/mainpages/texts.html
Is Tim May a Pinko?
When the Pinkerton Detective Agency was contracted by the state of Idaho to conduct an investigation into the Steunenberg assassination it sent to Boise the most famous detective in the land, James P. McParland. McParland had made his reputation thirty years earlier in the anthracite coalfields of Pennsylvania working undercover to expose a murderous gang of Irish-American thugs known as the Molly Maguires. Working for $12 a week, knowing he faced certain death if exposed, McParland frequented the card rooms and bars where Mollies were rumored to meet until we earned the trust of his targets and became a member of their secret society. When suspicions arose that McParland was an informer, he fled, dashing across frozen fields ahead of a gang of tomahawk-wielding toughs. McParland testified in nine Molly trials, helping to convict and execute twenty members, including most of the leadership, of the secret society responsible for so much Pennsylvania terror. McParland's Molly exploits earned him a cameo in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Valley of Fear, where he and Sherlock Holmes have an encounter. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/haywood/HAY_BMCP.HTM McParland specialty with the Pinkertons was labor unrest, making McParland, by then 62 and manager of Pinkerton's western operations, an obvious choice to head the Steunenberg investigation. Arriving in Boise in January of 1906, the portly master detective spent five hours going over details of the case with Idaho's Governor Gooding. He announced his suspicion that Orchard, already captured, was the tool of others, and requested that he be transferred from the jail in Caldwell to the state penitentiary in Boise so as to better extract a confession. The confession was soon in his hands after he suggested to Orchard that cooperation would likely lead to more lenient treatment. McParland then focused his attention on arranging the hasty arrests of the inner circle of the WFM implicated by Orchard in the Steunenberg assassination. McParland also arranged the special train that would carry the three inner circle members to Idaho. Those missions accomplished, McParland divided time between trying to round up potential witnesses, assembling incriminating evidence, leaking information that would tarnish the reputations of the defendants and their attorneys, checking out potential jurors, and orchestrating the prosecution effort. Although James Hawley announced in his opening statement for the prosecution that James McParland, the terror of evildoers throughout the west, would be a witness, he was never called. McParland was born in Ireland in 1843. He remained in Ireland and England for 26 years, working as a stock clerk, a fieldhand, a circus barker, and a chemical plant worker before taking a ship from Liverpool to New York in 1867. McParland settled in Chicago, where he opened a liquor store. When the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 destroyed his business, he took a job with the Pinkertons and began his colorful career as a detective. Hope fire doesn't ruin Mongo's business.
I shot the Sheriff.
Man tells of defense against police raid Brian Eggleston told a courtroom of a gun battle in his dark home in which he was shot and returned fire, killing a sheriff's deputy during a raid on his home over marijuana. Tacoma Tribune http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blnews.htm Eggleston testifies he returned fire in self-defense Karen Hucks; The News Tribune He awoke to a strange noise, then felt searing pain as a dark shadow fired at him. I was immediately shot, Brian Eggleston testified Monday about the day he killed sheriff's deputy John Bananola. I saw a muzzle flash. I saw a dark figure down to my right. It was like a shadow almost, and I shot back. I shot until no one was shooting at me. During that shootout on Oct. 16, 1995, Eggleston - now 32 - killed 36-year-old Bananola as he and five other Pierce County deputies tried to serve a search warrant at 902 E. 52nd St. in Tacoma. Prosecutors say deputies clearly identified themselves but that Eggleston chased Bananola down a hall, firing at him and then shot him in the head as he lay helpless on the floor. Eggleston, quiet and polite, testified on the last day of his defense that he awoke to an unknown noise and then shot at deputies in self-defense. He said he never saw Bananola's vest proclaiming SHERIFF in reflective letters and never heard anyone yell, Police, sheriff's department, search warrant, as deputies testified they did as they entered the house. Eggleston testified he slept with ear plugs that night, and awoke fearful because he lived in a crummy neighborhood where he'd seen a shooting and knew about gang activity and break-ins. He said he grabbed his gun from between his mattress and box spring and ran naked into the hallway. Immediately, he was shot in the groin and returned fire. He said he never made it out of the hallway and into the living room, where prosecutors say he pumped three fatal shots into Bananola's head. The next thing I knew, somebody was shooting at me from the kitchen, Eggleston said. I'm standing there, I'm looking at the muzzle flashes, I'm getting shot. He shot back, and was hit four more times - in the stomach, chest and side. He fell, then either walked or crawled back to his bedroom and returned to the hallway, Eggleston said. Was there anything you saw at this point and time that led you to believe these were sheriff's deputies? defense attorney Monte Hester asked. No, Eggleston replied. He said he screamed for his father to call 911, and told his mother to run and hide. I was terrified, Eggleston said. I thought we were all going to die. As his mother cradled him, Eggleston said he realized the men in his house were deputies. I'm laying here and I'm bleeding, he recalled. Everyone's coming in here and saying I did this, that an officer had been killed. I told them, 'No.' I said, 'My brother's a cop. I wouldn't hurt a deputy.' In intense cross-examination, deputy prosecutor Lilah Amos questioned Eggleston about his lack of memory and discrepancies in his past statements. Are you telling this jury a sheriff's deputy shot at you for no reason when he was executing a search warrant? Amos asked. I stepped out of my bedroom, and I was shot, Eggleston said. ... I don't know. She tried to get Eggleston to admit he shot Bananola from 18 inches away in the living room. Isn't it true, Amos asked, that you actually followed deputy Bananola into the living room, fired at him as he lay on the floor and then went back around? No, he insisted. I never went into the living room. Amos attacked Eggleston's testimony that he could not see Bananola in the hallway, pointed out that Eggleston has said he later saw his mother's terrified face and the air from his chest wounds blowing his long hair. Amos grilled Eggleston on his contention that he went back to his bedroom for a flashlight, when he passed a light switch in the hallway. A prosecution expert has suggested Eggleston went back for his gun case. And Amos grilled Eggleston about his marijuana use and sales, and the discrepancies between different accounts over the years about when he sold the drug to a police informant. Eggleston said Monday the informant never came to his home. Prosecutors say the man bought marijuana there and was able to describe the house to police. Eggleston acknowledged he had seen search warrants executed on the reality television show COPS, but didn't think his small-time drug sales would bring law enforcement to his house. It didn't occur to you that you might be the subject of a search warrant? she asked. Not for a little bit of pot, no, he said. A jury in 1997 could not decide whether Eggleston murdered Bananola. A second jury convicted him of second-degree murder, but an appeals court threw out the conviction, saying both trials were unfair. Gayle Frink-Schulz, a friend of Bananola's family, said it was hard for her and his relatives to watch Eggleston on the stand for the third time. I thought
UK-STASI Cards made in OZ?
19 Nov 02 | UK ID cards: civic dream or Orwellian nightmare? 04 Oct 02 | Technology Belgium plans digital ID cards 04 Jul 02 | Politics 'State racism' fears over ID cards 04 Jul 02 | Science/Nature Technology trips smart card plans 04 Jul 02 | Politics Blunkett backs ID card plan 03 Jul 02 | Politics At a glance: ID card plans Internet links: More information about public meeting Entitlement Cards Unit Backlash feared on UK ID cards There is likely to be a big public backlash to government plans to introduce compulsory ID cards in Britain, say experts. Unease is growing over a planned ID card linked to a national database. BBC Who makes ID cards for democracy lovin' China? SecureNet Melbourne au thats Hu. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5650903%255E15306,00.html
ID encryption and Police states.Geoff Ross needs killing.
Asia Pacific Office 18 F One International Finance Center 1 Harbour View Street Central, Hong Kong Tel: + 852 2166 8309 Fax: + 852 2166 8488 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Canuck outfit diversinet,(NORTEL lest we forget.) want to get into bed with SecureNet who are already linked with the 'smart' new ID cards for Mr Hu's greater Hong Kong. Families are being split up and some sent back to the Mainland's Lao Gai's. Companies Like IBM,Ford and guys like Prescott Bush and Robert Menzies are forever tainted by association with totalitarian and murderous regimes. Can firms like the above,SUN,RSA,CISCO and others be far behind? To my mind they are already there along with their lick spittle apologists like Declan. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/10/1039379827281.html Online security provider SecureNet Ltd has joined forces with Canadian security infrastructure company Diversinet to deliver wired and wireless security solutions to the Australian, New Zealand and Chinese markets. This follows SecureNet's licensing of Diversinet's Passport security product suite in October. Under these agreements Diversinet receives a total of $US1 million ($A1.78 million) from SecureNet. The extended agreement between the two companies includes the combining of research and development expertise to integrate Diversinet's wireless solutions into SecureNet's range of TrustedNet products. SecureNet managing director Geoffrey Ross said the deal strengthened the company's range of security solutions. Mr Ross predicted that the burgeoning worldwide demand for secure internet-based systems would offer the greatest opportunity yet for the application of smart card technology. He said multi-application smart cards as recently developed by SecureNet for the Hong Kong market - which carry digital authentication and signature certificates as well as traditional credit, debit and calling card functions will introduce smart card technology into everyday use, worldwide The Asia Pacific Smart Card Forum was established in 1995 to promote the development of a technologically advanced and viable smart card industry in Australia, and to position Australia as a leading supplier of smart card technology and applications. Membership includes major vendors, government agencies, financial institutions and consulting firms. The inaugural Smart Card Industry Award was presented at a ceremony at Cards Australia in Melbourne on 5 July. The Award sponsor, LM Gemplus, is the newly-formed smart card joint venture between Leigh Mardon Australia and Gemplus France. SecureNet's Revenues Balloon February 25, 2000 SecureNet (SNX) has continued on its high growth path, reported a 99% increase in Sales revenue from $3.15 million to $6.27 million for the six months to 31 December, 1999. Gross profit rose 126% to $3.58 million and the company reported an operating loss before equity accounting of $0.23 million ($0.08 million pcp). After equity accounting, the net loss increased to $0.698 million this takes into account SNXs share of all start up and business establishment costs on the Cable Wireless HKT joint venture. The company said the significant revenue growth was driven by success with e-commerce projects. SNX currently has an outstanding order book exceeding $11 million. Australia's SecureNet Puts Trust In Beijing By David Frith, Computer Daily News SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA, 31 Jan 2001, 2:32 AM CST Australian-based Internet security services provider SecureNet [ASX:SNX] has opened a trust centre in Beijing. Modelled on other SecureNet centers in Hong Kong and Australia, it is a joint venture with HKT SecureNet and Top Hawk, the company says. Securenet says it plans to inject A$5 million (US$2.72 million) into the Beijing venture. The center will offer a range of Internet-based banking products that require authentication, single sign on, payments processing, secure transactions, smart cards and other related services, SecureNet says. Managing Director Geoffrey Ross said the company envisages a string of trust centers that can be replicated globally, interconnected via a global IP (Internet protocol) backbone and providing services for customers across Asia. http://www.infowar.com/p_and_s/01/p_n_s_013101a_j.shtml Snet was called in to plug the e-mail.'leak' from navy sailors that was blowing stories like the 'children overboard,' affair. FEARS of further terrorist attacks have proved a bonanza for the IT industry, as increasing numbers of companies and organisations focus on security. According to researcher Gartner, the Asia Pacific IT security market will be worth $US1.2 billion by 2005. Researcher IDC estimates the Australian market alone will be worth $1.75 billion by 2006. Starved of revenue in the poor economic climate, technology companies are clamouring to sell their wares in what's been described as the fastest growing sector in years.
Keycorp kiss of death for greater Hong Kong and Democracy.
Keycorp signs Hong Kong ID card deal with PCCW-led consortium The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) signs contract; places first order Sydney, 14 October 2002 Secure electronic transaction solutions provider Keycorp Limited today announced it has signed a subcontracting agreement with PCCW Business eSolutions for the provision of 1.2 million smartcards for Hong Kong 's planned Smart Identity Card System (SMARTICS). The current deal is expected to generate more than A$5 million for Keycorp. Business eSolutions, a business unit of PCCW, will utilise Keycorp's MULTOS operating system to keep personal data stored by the Immigration Department of the Government of the HKSAR private and secure when SMARTICS replaces the laminated plastic photo ID card system in use since 1987. Data privacy and security were two core priorities for this project, and Keycorp's MULTOS platform was able to deliver against both of those priorities. This project is a big win for Keycorp, and is evidence of the high level of acceptance of MULTOS as a highly secure operating platform for large-scale, open smartcard solutions, said Tim Fletcher, General Manager, Smartcard Technologies, Keycorp Limited. We chose Keycorp for this project because of its demonstrated abilities in the critical areas of data encryption and security, said Thomas Siu, President of Business eSolutions. With Keycorp joining our team, we believe we can provide Hong Kong with the world's premier smart ID card. The PCCW consortium win is another major boost for MULTOS in the Asia Pacific region, and for the adoption of smartcard technologies worldwide, said Bruce Thompson, Chief Executive Officer of Keycorp. Keycorp's MULTOS technology is seen as the most secure in the world. Projects such as this one provide a firm foothold for Keycorp into these emerging markets as governments around the world grapple with the growing problems of identity fraud. The PCCW-led consortium was awarded the project in February by the Hong Kong government after a competitive bidding process. Keycorp will join other key technology partners in the deal, including ACI Worldwide (USA), Cogent Systems (USA), SecureNet Asia (Hong Kong), Mondex International (UK) and Trüb AG (Switzerland). About Keycorp MULTOS The MULTOS standard provides for high levels of privacy between multiple applications on the same card, with application firewalls ensuring the integrity and security of application-specific code and data. Keycorp's version of the MULTOS operating system is one of the most secure in the world and is used by many of the large multi-application card issuers worldwide. http://www.keycorp.net/News/2002/pr-02-024.htm Sorry for being late with this but Bali was on the 12th and that literally made me ill. Keycorp is in cahoots with sourKrauts,Infineon. http://www.infineon.com/news/press/206_104e.htm The pharaoh never had it this good.The Gestapo,The Cheka.'I want something done!.'
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Re: The trend toward signing away rights
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 07:03 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: Reality precedes fiction. Around Boston I sometimes see cars with an odd little sticker in the back window, white, round, with a stylized blue car in the top half (it can also be read as the face of someone wearing a fedora, peering out from under the brim). If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. This figures, that Boston is involved, as The Practice is set in Boston. The writers try to use local news to shape the stories they tell, as with the ripped from the headlines themes of other programs. And this really does raise some interesting issues which need exploration, here as well as on t.v. For example, to a kind of pure libertarian, signing away rights is permissible. Employees at corporations do it every day, and always have. Many libertarians would even support selling oneself into slavery (perhaps to pay for some operation or to provide for one's children.) And indentured servitude is easy to support. Signing away rights is also common in certain residential communities, where the local rules (CCRs) may restrict all sort of activities. However, when it is government one signs rights away to, and when there are issues of what happens to those who DON'T have the Mr. Policeman is Your Friend! sticker on their cars, the issues are no longer about voluntarism. Vernor Vinge could probably write some good stories around these themes. --Tim May
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 2:08 PM -0800 on 12/10/02, Major Variola (ret) wrote: None have yet commented that in 60 years, there will be no one left that remembers what things were like. One of my favorite cypherpunk gedankenexperiments from the old days had to do with what could be called tradition. I hope I remember it right. I also hope there's an original source out there for this, it would be nice to know. Can't find it in google, much less the cypherpunk archives, and, generally, it's kind of hard to get the gist of a whole story like this out of google anyway... 1. Put a bunch of gorillas in a cage. 2. Put a nice stack of boxes in the cage. 3. Then, string a big bunch of bananas from the top of the cage hanging within arm's reach from the top of the stack of boxes. (3a. Okay, put the gorillas in last, or you'll never get to steps 1 and 2 :-).) 4. When the first gorilla climbs to the top of the boxes to grab the bananas, do something extremely unpleasant to all the gorillas, like, say, deluging them with icy water from sprinklers at the top of the cage, or something. Pretty soon, they stop climbing the boxes completely. 5. Then, replace the one gorilla. Watch the others physically restrain him if he tries to go for the bananas. Repeat 5 until all the gorillas have been replaced. 6. The gorillas will physically assault anyone who climbs the pyramid, and they won't know why. :-). Now, I bet this experiment won't yield to actual empirical testing, all mammals, including us, are either not that stupid, or, I suppose, not that smart, but you get the point Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPfaOZsPxH8jf3ohaEQLynwCg1abG3e+mEVA9nPEEmUNECwh+pj4AnA3k PIR9BnGJOLn8TzOAahZQ8r/I =qZe5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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I get a lot of compliments on my anonymous posts here. Thanks very much guys, keep those cards and letters coming. But cypherpunks isn't that great a forum for publishing ideas. Take a look at http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/current/maillist.html to see the unfiltered list feed. Sure, no subscriber with half a clue actually sees it like this, but that's how it looks to the outside world. It's tough to find the nuggets of enlightenment buried amongst the crap. I'd like to start publishing a blog. But of course given the sensitivity of my position and the boldness of my arguments, it's important that there be strong anonymity protection. Does anyone have advice on how to get started with anonymous blogging? I have access to Windows, Linux and Mac systems, and I could go through anonymizer.com or some other service if necessary. Ideally I'd like to use one of the turnkey blog clients for ease of setup and use. Thanks for your suggestions.
Re: 60 years to rights restoration
Major Variola (ret) feared: None have yet commented that in 60 years, there will be no one left that remembers what things were like. Will people really just wimp out to this? Do you really think all those militia people will just doze on? Maybe people need to start asking themselves, What would Timmy do? Remember this -- it matters not how many F16s and Stealth Bombers the fedz have, and it doesn't really matter how many feebs they have, or snitches, or what sort of TIA they employ -- against individuals, or small 3 person cells, they have no chance. If one person went out and started killing cops with a silenced .22, back of the head shots, he could easily kill 100 or more, maybe a 1000 without getting caught. If a 1000 rise up ... And every one that rises up will inspire a thousand more.
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Title: eMedicine If you cannot view this email, please copy and paste the following link into your browser: http://master.emedicine.com/email/radio12.html eMedicine Case Update My Profile | Get More Newsletters | Feedback Illness After Irradiation Search eMedicine Search Problems ? Click Here Asthma, Pediatric Conjunctivitis, Allergic Esophagitis Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease Gastritis and Peptic Ulcer Disease View all free courses BACKGROUND A 65-year-old woman received radiation therapy in her left axilla after she underwent resection for a stage II breast cancer. Four weeks later, she had a fever, dyspnea, a productive cough, and night sweats. Hint Analysis of the samples collected during bronchioalveolar lavage did not reveal any organisms. Findings from transbronchial biopsy indicated alveolar septal thickening and desquamation of alveolar lining cells due to round cell infiltration. Author: Sat Sharma, MD University of Manitoba eMedicine Editor: Gregg Eschun, MD About Us | Privacy | Code of Ethics | Advertise | Submit a Case | Unsubscribe Copyright 2002 by eMedicine. All Rights Reserved.
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This weekend... http://www.indymedia.no/features/english/ DENMARK: EU SUMMIT Dec 10 2002 Demonstrations, Countersummit Planned in Copenhagen for Another Europe Denmark has been the host nation for the European Union in the second half of 2002. On 13 and 14 December, the final EU summit of the nation's term will be held in Copenhagen. The meetings will give differnt social movements an opportunity to show what they think about Denmark's and the EU's neo-liberal economic and closed borders policies [ interview ]. Read: entire feature More information and current updates are available at the Scandinavian IMCs, the English language Denmark IMC, TV Stop (TV og radio) (dk), the Danish Modkraft portal (dk), the Swedish Motkraft portal (se), la haine (es), and la haine english. [ Denmark IMC | Norway IMC | Sweden IMC ] http://www.indymedia.org/ KLIK HER FOR DANSK VERSION! Here is the archive and the newswire archive Demonstrate for a different Europe in Copenhagen between the 12th and 15th of december 2002! This autumn Denmark has been host-country for the European Union. 13th to 14th of December the final EU summit is going to be in Copenhagen. This gives different social movements the opportunity to show what they think about the EU's and Denmark's neo- liberal politics and closed borders. As in Gothenburg last year activists have planned a counter summit and demonstrations. The radical left in Europe mobilises now to take part in this biggest of all protest in Europe this autumn. The Initiative for another Europe, is a coalition of Danish and foreign left wing parties, activist groups, grass root organisations and labour organisations who share a common critic of EU's neo-liberal globalisation politics which create social difference and which undermines human rights. The participants of the initiative want to focus on the need for taking the environment and labour rights into consideration. In order to secure that the current big topics considering globalisation will be put on the agenda in connection with the Copenhagen summit, a number of organisations and individuals have formed The new initiative Copenhagen 2002 - Copenhagen 2002. In Denmark some of the people working with the protest are Global Roots, The Anarchist Federation of Denmark , Socialist Youth Front Denmark and others. For current updates check Indymedia in Denmark (At the alternative media center in Copenhagen: Nørre Allé Medborgerhus, Nørre Allé, Nørrebro) TV Stop (TV og radio) and the Danish leftwing portal Modkraft
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Re: Akamai
At 08:52 AM 12/09/2002 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also akamaitechnologies.com)? I was getting about a zillion hits on my web server from them this morning. They seem to offer services to gov't agencies according to their website. Akamai's been introducing new business models lately, so perhaps there's something else going on, but Akamai's basic business model is that they've got about 10,000 caching servers spread around the net and they sell caching service to web content providers. The basic trick is that the content provider replaces their regular web pages with pages on Akamai servers, and Akamai uses various DNS and routing tricks to point you to the nearest Akamai server, so instead of getting a picture from CNN.com's server in Atlanta on their ISP, you're getting it from an Akamai server near you that's either on your ISP or one of their upstreams. This means that there's typically 30-60ms less propagation delay, depending on where you and the content provider are, plus the server capacity scales very well, so instead of CNN.com needing a huge server which gets overloaded when there's an interesting event, Akamai has 10,000 smaller servers which are sharing loads between their customers, who probably aren't all bursting at once. There are a lot of variations on this - the content provider can cache their front page, or just cache the pictures and articles, and methods for handling dynamic content and banner ads vary. There are also competing providers, including (insert disclaimers here) ATT, Speedera, and whatever's left of Digital Island. They've got different balances between how many servers they have, how big they are, and how they find the closest one, plus what continents they're on. Some of the companies also provide servers for corporate intranets as well as the public internet. The original pricing models were pretty simple - either you pay by the peak data rate, or you pay by the total gigabytes delivered (which is more typical for software distribution such as anti-virus updates.) None of this explains why they're hitting *your* web site. Perhaps you've been mentioned in a news story on CNN.com and their caching servers are sucking in your content? Perhaps they're doing some kind of search engine, either for their own use or OEMed to a better-known search engine company? The only government stuff I saw on their website was that they've sold some service to the USGS (distributing earthquake maps, which have a really immense demand right after a quake and a low demand otherwise) and that they've got a GSA Schedule contract, so government web sites can use their caching and consultants. There's some hype about continuity of e-government after disasters and cyberterorista DDOS attacks, but that's just saying that if your agency hosts with them instead of doing it yourselves, it's much more resilient to single-point failures, plus a DDOS attack by 10,000 zombies causes a lot less damage to a system of 10,000 servers than to a single server.
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the other end of the rope to a fast car. That would give a new meaning to drawn and quartered. There's a lot of bureaucrats who need that performed on them. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute. Also Moving on (fwd)
Jim; These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 08:04:57PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGALT3CKI9D.html -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we see them as we are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
The trend toward signing away rights
I'm watching a New York television news show reporting on one of the recent cases where people sign away their rights. This is about requests sent out by schools that parents of students sign a pledge that alcohol, loud parties, and late night activities will not be permitted at their homes and that schools and local police will be permitted to inspect the houses without warrants for violations. The news report says that most parents have signed the pledge. So, what of parents who don't? What of parents who send back the note with a FUCK YOU! message? Probable cause? The kid faces hassles in the state-run school? (Voluntarism is not the issue, as there is no voluntariness involved when a state-financed, state-run school, working with the police, sends out such notices.) For several weeks I have seen television shows--usually on the NBC fascist network, but sometimes on ABC--where it is assumed that 9/11 changed everything, that the Fourth Amendment no longer applies, that the 5th and 6th Amendments no longer are what they were. (The First is not mentioned, I expect because even television liberal whores know this is important to them. The Second is treated as having been defunct since Colonial times, with only criminals having guns.) Last night had a plot device on The Practice (a generally bad show...I ought to stop watching) where nearly all residents in an upscale burbclave had signed a pledge--reminiscent of my opening point--where owners of cars would invite the police to stop their cars and search them without a warrant of any kind, without even today's lax probable cause. Obedient citizen-units would place a bumper sticker on their vehicles giving up their Fourth Amendment expectations of being secure in their papers and possessions. Those who didn't have the bumper sticker, well, there are a _lot_ of cops out there with nothing better to do between donut breaks than to stop cars without stickers for suspicious reasons. (I wonder what would happen if a bumper sticker said I support the Fourth Amendment. Just in case you don't, I have a gun.) --Tim May They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote. --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
RE: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothi ng less
Yep. If I owe you 100 quid, and I give you that value of English bank notes, and you sue me in an English court saying I haven't paid, you will lose. Which is fair enough - it is the state's court so why should they help you if you don't like the state's money? If I offer you 100 pounds worth of cowrie shells, then they might take a different view. It all boils down to the ease that you can then trade afterwards with what you've been given as money, and to a lesser extent the ease of keeping it. Ease of trading includes both the amount of people likely to accept it in turn as payment, and the value that they will agree to put on the money you give. Legal money is good on both: people accept it, and they don't bicker over its value to gain a cent on a dollar. -- Vincent Penquerc'h
Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't this what I said? Yes, I agreed with you with regard to the law as it is in the UK. I corrected my mistake. Mark
RE: CDR: Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)
Title: RE: CDR: Re: ...(one of them about Completeness) Mathametics is incomplete,other wise we would have known every thing about every thing. From our Popping in without the relevant background, I'm afraid, but I'll give my view on this long lasting thread anyway: Mathematics do not have to be incomplete for this reason (note that I only say for this reason). Mathematics are only rules applying on a set of facts (and, arguably, the facts themselves). I would argue that your point would rather imply that other things (eg physics, chemistry) are incomplete. -- Vincent Penquerc'h
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
Trei, Peter wrote: If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. This is parents using the police to control their own children.
Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Disput e. Also Moving on (fwd)
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 10:04:09AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at three different domains) I tested. Which seems rather obvious since I'm finding them to forward them. Whatever the resolution problem is, it's on your end or some betwix the two. Sorry you're having the problem but there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps you should talk to your nameserver operator(s). Just another data point: They work fine for me as well. Peter Trei And it works okay here now too. Don't know why their DNS wasn't getting propagated everywhere, although I used to see that a bit with USWest up in MN. Maybe I'll change nameservers -- gave up on ameritech's quite awhile ago. Ameritech, BTW, is a seriously bad ISP. Their mail servers and dns servers are down an awful lot, and apparantly now they frown on dsl users setting up their own smtp servers -- I can no longer mail to other ameritech accounts, it gets rejected with a Use your local ameritech mail server message. PITA -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. I once bought an old black Ford LTD that already had one of these stickers on it. And driving the thing to/from graduate school in Harlem for several years, I had never been stopped once. (Though the drug dealers over on East 143rd Street would scatter when I drove down the block.) _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: [2600.com] Update On The Mike Maginnis Story
eJazeera, Baby! That guy should have had a tiny laptop or something that could wisk those images off the moment an 802.l1 port was detected. (Actually, it should wisk off a copy of the photos EVERY time an 802.11 port is detected!) In addition, wouldn't it be great if he had actually had a digital camera that had the capability to auto-upload the images when sensing a WiFi link? (And since I'm wishing, perhaps it could take photographs automatically when handled...) This could result in the ironic possibility that the authorities themselves might (inadvertantly) cause the uploads, perhaps even with photos of their faces staring into the (live) camera they are examining. From: Myers Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [2600.com] Update On The Mike Maginnis Story Date: 10 Dec 2002 11:35:30 -0500 [ the radio interview with this guy can be found here: http://www.2600.com/offthehook/rafiles/2002/120402.mp3 ] http://www.2600.com/news/display/display.shtml?id=1455 UPDATE ON THE MIKE MAGINNIS STORY Posted 10 Dec 2002 08:15:20 UTC 2600 has received a tremendous amount of correspondence regarding the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and the news article that followed, in which Mike Maginnis told his story of harassment by the Secret Service. Although many readers find Maginnis's story highly believable, others have criticized the article due to a lack of corroborating evidence. It is true that Maginnis was given no paperwork in relation to his ordeal, and so far no one has come forward as a witness to Maginnis's arrest across from the Adams Mark Hotel in Denver. Quite a number of people have written in with similar stories of harassment for taking pictures of everything from trains to motorcades to public buildings. Others have expressed a degree of skepticism, some even accusing us of all kinds of things from being anti-American to engaging in shoddy journalism. As much as we disagree and find offense in such statements, we actually understand much of the feeling behind such anger. We believe this outrage is a not-so-distant relative of the outrage that we feel when we report on stories like the Maginnis case. In this instance, those who chose not to believe the story aimed their anger at us for saying something they found offensive. And that's something we can agree with - it WAS offensive. The difference is that we also believe it was real. We think it's right to be skeptical when reading any news account and that we should be treated no differently. We'd like to think that every story reported on in the mainstream media is questioned thoroughly, although we all know this is rarely the case. In the end, whether it's 2600 or Time, the decision on whether there is truth in a report lies with the reader. This story has been frustrating for us because - like those who have sent us mail - we want there to be a smoking gun, some way of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the events told to us by Mike Maginnis were completely accurate. As is often the case in a story of injustice, particularly when that injustice involves law enforcement, we're often left with a solitary voice calling attention to it. When that happens, we're faced with a difficult decision - do we not devote any attention at all to what happened because there wasn't a crowd of witnesses? Or do we give the person an opportunity to be heard and base our conclusions on what they say and how they respond to questions, along with some rudimentary fact checking? In this instance, we chose the latter and we have no regrets at all for doing so. We believe the story is accurate for a number of reasons. * First off, very little can be gained from making such accusations against law enforcement in the town where you live. It's almost literally like painting a big target on your back. And we all know what happens when you piss off the Secret Service. It's unlikely someone would put themselves in this position unless they were either completely insane or telling the truth. At the very least, Maginnis stands to be ridiculed for claiming to be detained by police when they deny ever having had him in custody. * We were unable to find any holes or inconsistencies in the story as Maginnis told it when interviewed on our radio program. Not one person who has written in has been able to either. In his firsthand account of his experience, Maginnis comes across as highly credible. We encourage all readers to listen to the December 4th edition of Off The Hook, and make a personal judgment as to his credibility. Maginnis was also completely up front about previously getting into trouble for trespassing. That admission alone could risk his being labeled as a troublemaker who deserved what he got. But if he wasn't telling the truth about what happened last week, why make that admission in the first place? * Maginnis has intentionally not spoken to other news media. If he was seriously
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
At 08:24 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote: Last night had a plot device on The Practice (a generally bad show...I ought to stop watching) where nearly all residents in an upscale burbclave had signed a pledge--reminiscent of my opening point--where owners of cars would invite the police to stop their cars and search them without a warrant of any kind, without even today's lax probable cause. Obedient citizen-units would place a bumper sticker on their vehicles giving up their Fourth Amendment expectations of being secure in their papers and possessions. I had a somewhat heated discussion with an HR person at a former company. She was explaining the federal laws regarding harassment. I found at least one aspect untenable: jokes. As I understand the current laws, its actionable for offending jokes to be made on the workplace premises or other places where company business is being conducted. The regulations made it incumbent that the teller determine prior to the joke whether any within earshot might potentially be offended. Sine this might be problematic, given the difficulty of gauging a priori any particular person's sensitivities, the HR person said to be safe, no jokes with sexual, racial, etc. content should be told. (I knew of one incident at this company where an employee was given a stern warning and pressured to offer up a formal apology, for what seemed to me to be a rather innocuous comment.) Anyway, I offered what seemed to me to be a good libertarian solution: an opt-in humor group. Employees who had preferences regarding particular humor could display a color coded Joker's Club badge. Tellers could now quickly glance around and know if an intended utterance would offend. The HR person became almost uncontrollable incensed, saying such an approach could stigmatize those who decided not to display a badge and was therefore discriminatory and illegal. Sheesh! If I ever start a US-based company, it will definitely include a Joker's Club. steve
Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Lucky Green wrote: James A. Donald wrote: In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty, but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no recovery. I heard some governmental official on the radio the other day (I paid attention too late to catch the name) (Sidebar: I often wish for TIVO radio. I use my personal video recorder (PVR) features extensively to rewind through a story, to see what I came in late on, to catch a name. Great invention. Until Jack Valenti and his crowd have it declared a hacker tool, my Ultimate TV PVR is my favorite tool. I often find myself mentally thinking hit the backup button.) that the War on Terrorism should be won in about 60 years, at which point the American citizens would see their civil liberties returned. Obviously, only traitors, agitators, and other enemy combatants would make the outrageous claim that this war will likely last perpetually. I would never say such a treasonous thing. As a liberal chick here in Santa Cruz once said at a public meeting, The Constitution says people can have incorrect thoughts, but it doesn't say they can express them out loud if it's hate speech. Besides, I don't have any desire to visit Camp X-Ray. I have always loved Big Brother! --Tim May To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists. --John Ashcroft, U.S. Attorney General
Re: The trend toward signing away rights
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 07:03 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: Reality precedes fiction. Around Boston I sometimes see cars with an odd little sticker in the back window, white, round, with a stylized blue car in the top half (it can also be read as the face of someone wearing a fedora, peering out from under the brim). If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. This figures, that Boston is involved, as The Practice is set in Boston. The writers try to use local news to shape the stories they tell, as with the ripped from the headlines themes of other programs. And this really does raise some interesting issues which need exploration, here as well as on t.v. For example, to a kind of pure libertarian, signing away rights is permissible. Employees at corporations do it every day, and always have. Many libertarians would even support selling oneself into slavery (perhaps to pay for some operation or to provide for one's children.) And indentured servitude is easy to support. Signing away rights is also common in certain residential communities, where the local rules (CCRs) may restrict all sort of activities. However, when it is government one signs rights away to, and when there are issues of what happens to those who DON'T have the Mr. Policeman is Your Friend! sticker on their cars, the issues are no longer about voluntarism. Vernor Vinge could probably write some good stories around these themes. --Tim May
