Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) -MW-
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Re: Indo European Origins
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : English, by contrast, is substantially different from just the Middle English of Chaucer, let alone the Old English of Beowulf. I took a class in The Canterbury Tales, in the original with a side-by-side translation, from a Chaucer scholar. A few recognizable words, a few familar patterns. But quite clearly there has been significant evolution of English in the past half- millennium. By contrast, the Koran is readable in the original by modern Arabs. --Tim May Very true. Communicating with a 14th century Englishman would be difficult. I took a similar major's course with Robert Kaske in the 80's without the benefit of the side-by-side. It was as close to learning a new language as I got without having it count towards my foreign language requirement. I think a modern reader would recognize a fair number of words and structures. In a good bit of that they would be mistaken in their understanding and overall would be hard-pressed to comprehend the texts in any depth. An interesting question that arises out of the observation that some languages are relatively static and others - like English - have been changing steadily. Is there any connection between the evolution behavior of the language and the vitality of the culture? I think so. m
Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet
Eric Cordian wrote: COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html CNN want me to Click here to Join! before I can see the video. Fortunately, Google pointed me to: http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/03/01/27473390.shtml?Element_ID=27473390 where they have the real video available for dowload by all. Watched it... Dude, that is fucked up.
3G Phones (was: Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone)
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. Hmm. I actually can't find any specs on that phone's max speed. The CDMA2000 service being offered by Sprint and Verison in the US does not meet the criteria for 3G. CDMA2000 1x as defined by the ITU is, a 3G standard. Keep in mind, however, that in order to be 3G by the ITU definition, a standard needs to deliver data rates of a minimum of 144 Kbps. The top speed I've seen advertised for CDMA2000 deployments is 70 Kbps. Is CDMA2000 being used outside North America? I thought GSM/GPRS was the dominant standard in Europe and Asia. (GPRS is never 3G.) -MW-
Re: Indo European Origins
At 04:25 PM 01/14/2003 +, Ken Brown wrote: All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. This statement is so silly it leaves me speechless... [] Nonsense. Icelandic is little changed from the Old Norse of 1000 A.D. Icelanders can easily read the sagas without help; modern Danes and Norwegians cannot. English, by contrast, is substantially different from just the Middle English of Chaucer, let alone the Old English of Beowulf. Er, that's exactly what I said - they are the same age, but some change more slowly than others... and I did warn that I was being unreasonably pedantic. If you're going to be pedantic, it would be nice if you start by defining the objects you're measuring the age of, because otherwise I have to strongly agree with Tim's statement - I don't see how you could claim either that all natural languages date from the year X BC when Mitochondrial Mama Eve learned to talk, or that all biological species have been extent since our first cellular ancestors crawled their way up out of the primordial soup to declare themselves to be the prime-time slime. The one set of definitions I'm familiar with that would lead to statements like yours is creationism, in the 4004BC Big Bang sense, with a subdefinition that anything created the same week is the same age, since of course the plants, animals, and humans were created on different days. In modern scientific creationism*, the same events occurred stretch out over a longer and earlier time, with plants and animals and humans showing up in different periods, so they're much different ages. But neither one of those definitions makes all _languages_ the same age; at minimum there are the languages descended from what Noah's family spoke and the different languages that appeared after the Tower of Babel (unless you want to argue that those are supernatural languages?) but I don't see Biblical evidence asserting that other languages didn't appear as people needed them. Hawai'ian pidgen simply didn't exist until Europeans moved into Polynesian territory and started trading with them, and unlike the evolution of English since Shakespeare and/or Chaucer, the languages that emerged from the collision of English Anglo-Saxon and Norman after the Conquest (plus the collisions of Anglo and Saxon and Latin and Celtic and Pictish-if-it's-different that happened before) are sufficiently different from what either side spoke beforehand that I can't see any pedagogue worth his salarium asserting that they're still instantiations of the same Original Linguistic Object. You might as well argue that Esperanto** is just a rapidly evolved Indo-European. Were you trying to make some different point your pedagogue taught you, about the age of all these things being Brand New Every Day? Or is there something fundamental that I'm just missing that you had in mind? * Stop giggling, the difference is important to my point here... ** You probably _can't_ argue that about Logban; hacking the grammar to make it yacc-parseable is pretty radical surgery.
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On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every election in American history. Their intervention and they way it was decided sets a very bad precedent. Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and accidentally voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they claimed to interviewers they intended to vote for, namely, Al Gore. (A ballot designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.) It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again nor given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give the votes to Gore. --Tim May Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. --Patrick Henry
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:49 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a reporter holding a cell phone up to a talking head surrounded by more conventional microphones, tape recorders. When a major news medium first uses a video snip recorded from a phone at the scene, the Brinworld clock will have advanced another second. And then some Nokia yahoo will introduce some more interesting features that used to be found in $10K specialized video/recording equiptment * snap a frame if something moves (security) * FIFO the last N seconds * low light/IR/frame accumulate etc. making the 7segment LED Brinworld clock blick closer to midnight. I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). --Tim May
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 1:47 AM -0800 1/14/03, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:40 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have shot Al Gore and Joe Lieberman on the spot. You and Bill need your brains washed out with soap. I'm not happy with Bush, to repeat this mantra that Gore/Lieberman actually won is knavish at best. snip Gore and Lieberman would have been no prize in office either, but they wouldn't have done much more damage to the economy or to civil liberties, probably much less, and would have been less gung-ho about getting us into a war and would have found some kind of pork that's more productive than military hardware to spend our tax money on. At the time, it absolutely amazed me how, when push came to political shove, all the libertarians and ostensible anarchocapitalists -- myself included -- went back to behaving like, if not becoming actual, Democrats and Republicans in November 2000. Or for that matter, how September 2001 changed that initial polarization, one way or another. The joys of the American binary, winner-take-all pseudomarket for force, I suppose. [Yes, I know, the French have the same type of system and they have multiple parties, and, yes, I know, proportional representation probably yields *more* law and regulation than the system Americans have, and, no, I don't think we can do much better than what we have, qua politics itself, except to make smaller nation states, which will probably happen in this country more from market forces than political violence, probably under the guise of some kind of Federal devolution, and yes, we need actual markets for force instead of transfer-priced monopolies for same... Right. In the meantime, you're preaching to the choir. :-)] It is -- almost -- amusing, nonetheless, to see really how fragile it is, how hard it is to coalesce around, this idea of stateless freedom that lots of us have discovered, in *concrete* form, for first time, on this list. An actual method, a technology, to get to that freedom without having to resort to politics itself like the libertarians do, or to violence like some anarchists do, or outright non-participation like anarchocapitalists do. Given that it took a couple of hundred years between the Thirty Years War, when an actual economic *requirement* for an orthogonality of politics and religion was first discovered and the removal of monopolistic force from the latter was first implemented, and the American Revolution, when the first ostensibly religion-orthogonal nation-state was founded, I expect that we really shouldn't be too surprised that we still have such a long row to hoe before we can finally kick the state out of the economy once and for all, to be just as free of politics as a means of controlling force as our forefathers made themselves free of religious control of the same. Until we do so, however, we're going to have to deal with the fact that we're still Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives, no matter what even our registered voting affiliation says we are. For instance, Bill and Tim are, I believe, both registered Libertarians. (And, of course, I'm still a registered Republican. In Massachusetts, no less, so I'm literally hopeless. :-)) Nonetheless, when I see the above kinds of discussion from people who do agree on method, if not cause, I can't help thinking about something Heinlein said about religion, and I have to smile a bit: Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. - --R.A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPiQwtMPxH8jf3ohaEQIxewCdFzzKjwzRdoRw9V6cOVHgUKnfN5cAn3V1 Daeb5ErSfZqv/Mv7e60Ny9p7 =Xg90 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA All government is, in its essence, organized exploitation, and in virtually all of its existing forms it is the implacable enemy of every industrious and well-disposed man. -- H.L. Mencken
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules about the kind of video-broadcast technology that's allowed, some people build it using Technology like cell-phone jammers, while others of us accomplish it by having figures that nobody's going to bother photographing :-)
Re: Indo European Origins
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:36:46AM -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: Very true. Communicating with a 14th century Englishman would be difficult. I took a similar major's course with Robert Kaske in the 80's without the benefit of the side-by-side. It was as close to learning a new language as I got without having it count towards my foreign language requirement. I think a modern reader would recognize a fair number of words and structures. In a good bit of that they would be mistaken in their understanding and overall would be hard-pressed to comprehend the texts in any depth. You don't even have to read 14th Cent. lit to experience that. Read A Clockwork Orange -- most folks find they read about 1/3 to 1/2 before they go back and start over. Gibson, at least the earlier stuff, like Neuromancer, is a bit like that, but Burgess really almost invented a new language. Language evolves more rapidly than the yours (and Tim's) examples tho -- look at innercity blackspeak, especially Chicago. Forget the ebonics jokes -- this is a genuine language change. Or look at other areas of the country with older language evolution -- Gullah in So. Caroline, for instance, a much earlier language specialization. When I was at the Univ. of So. Alabama in Mobile, I came across a group of country blacks in a grocery store whose language was totally incomprehensible, at least to me. I asked black friends about it, and they could mimic it a bit, but confessed that they too had a lot of difficulty understanding it, and they were native Mobilians. I was raised, for the most part, in the deep South, but I've also come across many whites there whose speech was very difficult to understand, and which, I'm sure, if one tried to read an accurate phonetic rendition, without benefit of body language, would seem be essentially a foreign language. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)
Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Ken's All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. At first this parsed because I was thinking in the sense of all organisms have ancestries going back the same amount of time. (And humans aren't the 'goal' of evolution.) Not sure if non-bioheads got this. Anyway others' complaints clarified speciation --if you are willing to identify a bifurcation point then you *can* age a species or any other fork --Linux 2.4, Latin, Corvettes, etc. I guess bifurcation points and speciation seem very clear because of the aliasing problems in our sampling methods. The speciation exists but is prolly ( probably ) often fuzzier than we think. Almost everyone would say that an American Bison and a Scot's Highland are two different species but they can hybridize. Maybe we non-Biologists measure the distance between species inaccurately. At 10:36 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: An interesting question that arises out of the observation that some languages are relatively static and others - like English - have been changing steadily. Is there any connection between the evolution behavior of the language and the vitality of the culture? I think so. Vitality is fuzzy. Choose your measure : population? power? innovation? environmental impact? rate of change? The US seems more vital by some measures. Less so by others. More dangerous to the species by others. Clearly America admitting everyone (cf Japanese) helps. Clearly not having an Acadamie Anglaise helps (cf surrender-monkeys). Electronic media probably help. There's an even more interesting technical evolution: English is also undergoing entropic refinement or Hamming-like coding, as speakers prune or invent for efficiency. As it is, it takes fewer letters in English to say something than every other common language. Look at the instruction manuals for your domestic appliances. That is interesting. Forms (memory requirements) get simpler ---can you believe that the surrender-monkeys retain a gender-bit for every friggin object-- and phonetically simpler too. The sounds get more orthogonal. Also the influence of immigrants and children and lazy native speakers who can't tell a v from a w or d from th, or remember the 150 irregular verbs. Some of this is natural. I've adopted the southern y'all because English has no plural third person and this ambiguity is annoying when you're emailing to several people. Note also the efficiency of the contraction. You hear data used as singular enough times, you say fuck it, I'll have a beer, or several beer [sic]. Talk to Eastern Europeans long enough, you'll start dropping your articles, though you may miss the FEC/prompting and flash back to Boris Natasha cartoons... Is the evolution towards a more efficient language an active or passive process? Is it driven by an internal inclination towards expansion, freeing up system resources as it were, or is it a coping mechanism for sensory overload? Mike
Re: Indo European Origins
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : You don't even have to read 14th Cent. lit to experience that. Read A Clockwork Orange -- most folks find they read about 1/3 to 1/2 before they go back and start over. Gibson, at least the earlier stuff, like Neuromancer, is a bit like that, but Burgess really almost invented a new language. I read a few Burgess novels as a teenager - A Clockwork Orange, The Eve of St. Venus, One Hand Clapping, The Wanting Seed and I don't remember them that way. I remember them reading smoothly and clearly without a great struggle. Probably time to revisit one or two just to double-check my old brain. Language evolves more rapidly than the yours (and Tim's) examples tho -- look at innercity blackspeak, especially Chicago. Forget the ebonics jokes -- this is a genuine language change. Or look at other areas of the country with older language evolution -- Gullah in So. Caroline, for instance, a much earlier language specialization. When I was at the Univ. of So. Alabama in Mobile, I came across a group of country blacks in a grocery store whose language was totally incomprehensible, at least to me. I asked black friends about it, and they could mimic it a bit, but confessed that they too had a lot of difficulty understanding it, and they were native Mobilians. I was raised, for the most part, in the deep South, but I've also come across many whites there whose speech was very difficult to understand, and which, I'm sure, if one tried to read an accurate phonetic rendition, without benefit of body language, would seem be essentially a foreign language. I know the experience - in the southern US, in Scotland - it's all English. Really? People are probably creating language constantly like a software evolutionary experiment. Much of it probably dies out. What remains appears to be speciation. Write much Forth lately? Mike
Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)
At 12:47 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Some of this is natural. I've adopted the southern y'all because English has no plural third person and this ambiguity is annoying when you're emailing to several people. Note also the efficiency of the contraction. You and Y'all and Youse guys and similar forms are second person; third person is he/she/it/they/ dem guys. Thou shouldst know that You is already plural, having been adopted as more formal than the second person familiar single Thee / Thou and replacing the nominative second person plural ye. The analogy in German is Sie used as formal singular/plural as opposed to du and ihr. And while some of the edges have been bashed off of irregular verbs, if you'd a-been fixin' to talk about some verb forms being simpler, you shouldn't'a started out pickin' Southern grammar as an example.
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Re: Subject: CDR: Re: QM, EPR, A/B
From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED], crackpot: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, blah wrote: From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not from the photons perspective, from a photons perspective there is -no- time. A photon has no perspective. Yes it does. It is a particle and it interacts with the rest of the cosmos. The cosmos views it, it views the cosmos. OK. I'm convinced that you are a crackpot. Now, could someone (else) tell me if this is really a troll? [...] There is a 'c' and a 'v' in -any- Lorentz transform. Do the math with v=c. I provided you with the lorentz transforms explicitly because you seem to be unfamiliar with them and so that you could plug in `c' for `v' and see the problem. It doesn't take any particular genius to realize what happens. But, go ahead and insist a while longer. Or, do like anyone else who read the post in which I provided you with the lorentz transforms could have done if they didn't already know what they were. Plug in the value of `c' for `v'. 'v' is -always- in relation to 'c' because 'c' is -always constant-. Another misconception. `C' is a constant in any inertial frame. `V' defines a relationship between two inertial frames. There exists no lorentz transform by which any observer may transform coordinates to a photon, Really why? sheeesh... I provided you with the lorentz transforms in two different forms so that you could figure this out for yourself. I see that you were either unwilling or were unable to substitute v for c and deduce anything about the transformation. It's called relativity because it assumes no absolute frame against which speeds must be referenced. Wrong. -ALL- speeds are measured against c. That -is- the whole point of Lorentz transforms. 'c' is -always- c. Yikes. Buy an introductory text on relativity as I suggested. c is a -constant-. Therefore it -is absolute-. What does that have to do with measuring velocities relative to `c' as you seem to believe? A lorentz transform is nothing more than a coordinate transformation that preserves the value of `c'. Since the entire puropse for which the lorentz trannsform was developed was to find a coordinate transformation between coordinates in which `c' has the same value, it's pretty much a tautology that `c' will be constant in those frames. There is no -space- constant, to that I will agree. Since I haven't the faintest idea what this means, then the only way you could agree with me is to agree that you don't know what you are talking about. Which is perfectly ok with me. --
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Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)
At 02:48 PM 1/14/03 -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: I guess bifurcation points and speciation seem very clear because of the aliasing problems in our sampling methods. The speciation exists but is prolly ( probably ) often fuzzier than we think. Almost everyone would say that an American Bison and a Scot's Highland are two different species but they can hybridize. Maybe we non-Biologists measure the distance between species inaccurately. Probably not. Lay knowledge usually has substantial truth. (The major problem with lay knowledge in bio/geo/climatology is lack of scale ---no sense that things change, and this is a snapshot, so don't get so attached.) A species is operationally defined as a population that can't breed with another. The layman and/or farmer knows this, or learns this upon trying to cross things :-) Its empirically verifiable. On forking: Nature's RCS is distributed. Un-interoperable forks (species) are documented by those wetboy cladistics folks, gnostic Linneans. And these days the sequencemensch and their fluorescing machines, ravers dancing to evolution's endlessly refined tune.. Is the evolution towards a more efficient language an active or passive process? Is it driven by an internal inclination towards expansion, freeing up system resources as it were, or is it a coping mechanism for sensory overload? A major job of Mr Brain is finding efficient representations (ie by finding regularity). At every level, from sensory to conceptual. Humans are also very very good at imitation and linguistic acquisition. (The same ready programmability is maladaptive when e.g., religion infests the mind...) . Summary: It is adaptive for a critter to maximize the bits/baud over a given channel. Xerox errors in the genome try lots of things. Similarly with memes culture linguistics. Some things work better. You can get hurt if you misunderstand. You might not have children if you get hurt. Do the math :-)
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At 12:28 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every election in American history. Their intervention and they way it was decided sets a very bad precedent. Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and accidentally voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they claimed to interviewers they intended to vote for, namely, Al Gore. (A ballot designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.) It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again nor given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give the votes to Gore. All true, but you didn't address my concern about the nature of the SC intervention. In the book, 'The Accidental President,' by Newsweek writer David A. Kaplan--challenges statements by some justices in the aftermath of the decision that they had put the matter behind them and were once again enjoying cordial relations. It describes Souter and the three colleagues who joined him in dissent--Justices Stephen G. Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens--as angered and baffled by the majority opinion. Kaplan's book excerpt reveals that the animosities within the Court spilled over at a gathering of the Justices while they were hosting six visiting Russian judges. ``'In our country,' a Russian justice said, bemused, 'we wouldn't let judges pick the president.' The justice added that he knew that, in various nations, judges were in the pocket of executive officials -- he just didn't know that was so in the United States,'' Kaplan writes. ``Stephen Breyer was angry and launched into an attack on the decision, right in front of his colleagues. It was 'the most outrageous, indefensible thing' the Court had ever done, he told the visiting judges. 'We all agree to disagree, but this is different.' Breyer was defiant, brimming with confidence that he'd been right in his long dissent.'' Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was more baffled than annoyed, attempting to rationalize the legitimacy of the ruling. ``'Are we so highly political, after all?' she said. 'We've surely done other things, too, that were activist, but here we're applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that would de-legitimize virtually every election in American history','' Kaplan writes. steve
Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)
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Re: Subject: CDR: Re: QM, EPR, A/B
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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
My thought was that James is some kind of Fed. I suspect Chomsky is one guy they most don't want around these days. His accusations on the Chomsky dis website were technicalities and hair-splitting, even somantic. Chomsky is an in-your-face fuckin' giant. And even if you don't agree wih his politics, ya GOTTA love a guy who is that much of a pain in the ass! And, wrt some issues of US national and foreign policy, he's totally all over dat shit. -TD Chomky's da MAN...enjoy him before he 'mysteriously' dies. From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:13:32 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) If that makes me a moron, so be it. There is definitely a faction of this sort on this list, has always been. Will always be. I just lump the whole kit and kaboodle into the 'CACL Contingent'. May's one of the leaders of that contingent. He's into 'freedom for me, but not for thee'. BTW...You're not the guy with the Chomsky Dis website are you? He's the one who claims Chomsky is lying and then retracts the statement. What he's got is exactly what Chomsky called it 'a joke' (and I'm no big supporter of Chomsky, either his science or his politics). I'm still waiting for James to provide the other references he claims are on that page, but aren't. He claims to have done a thorough study of Chomsky's work and developed a list of bad references and such. Though he has steadfastly refused to share it with anyone (and it is -not- on that page as he has claimed on this list several times). I asked one (and ask again) what references in 'Deterring Democracy' are bogus? I'm still waiting for a clear, honest answer to that one. I suspect it is a futile wait. -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Holy shit! I could done better than this! (ie, I THOUGHT this would be outrageous and amusing but it kinda sucked black prison dick.) -TD From: Sleeping Vayu - Vayu Anonymous Remailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary Date: 12 Jan 2003 20:55:51 - At 09:33 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: For all I know, I've been posting on a list haunted by a bunch of crypto-white supremists (crypto, as in secret, hidden). And if that's the case, then I want to know. Figured I'd ask for clarification on this issue. (And from some of May's comments in the past, it wasn't clear to me.) As a matter of fact, I and Tim May regularly go nigger hunting in the hills, me with my SKS. Tim May is not so keen on those commie guns, and usually has a good old American AR15 Of course, in the hills around here there usually are no damned niggers, but sometimes we get a pig. Niggers are pretty rare. To catch a nigger, you need the right bait. The tricky thing is to lure a nigger out of his native haunts, to someplace far away and lonely with no one knowing where he went. Fortunately a friend of ours sometimes hires some nigger pussy to give him a good time in his house out in the woods. Then of course the lady tells her numerous boyfriends about all the good stuff he has, and pretty soon there are some niggers out to rob him. They usually get caught in one of his traps, and if a couple of days pass and it seems that no one is missing that nigger, I and Tim May have a it of fun killing it. It is not really as sporting as finding one in hills, so usually we torture it a bit then give it a short head start, track it through the hills by bloodstains, and then shoot it. There are quite a few entertaining ways of torturing a nigger before you kill it. Books are one of the best -- they have the same effect on a nigger as kryptonite on superman. _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Some dudes wrote... Japanese, for example, did not even exist in any recognizable form until long after Confucian-era texts which are still readable today. How then can a claim be made that Japanese and Chinese are the same age? The grammar is Japanese is almost unrelated to Chinese 'grammar' (what litle here is). As for reading Confucian-era texts, they are by no means readble today, and believe me I've tried. (Aside from how the characters have changed, Ancient Chinese has a lot of differences when compared to modern Chinese, which actually only goes back about a century.) But I would agree that a Chinese reader wanting to read Confucious would need to do a lot less work that a modern speaker of English trying to read Beowulf (which is prior to influence from the Latin languages, no?) -TD _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Re: Indo European Origins
On Tuesday 14 January 2003 15:23, Bill Stewart wrote: ...You might as well argue that Esperanto** is just a rapidly evolved Indo-European. ** You probably _can't_ argue that about Logban; hacking the grammar to make it yacc-parseable is pretty radical surgery. Allow me to introduce myself: coi rodo mi'e stivn. (Lojban: Hey, all, I'm Steve.) I might have something to contribute to this subthread. Lojban (not Logban; that's a conflation of the names Loglan and Lojban) isn't LALR-1. The grammar can be parsed by yacc only through creative use of the error-catching mechanism. It's a very impressive feat of yacc-hacking, don't get me wrong, but it's a hack nonetheless. And the grammar was indeed crafted to fit in a hacked yacc parser. A real parser which can properly handle grammatical errors in a chunk of Lojban text needs a more powerful language. Given that, Bill's point is correct: Lojban's gammar has practically nothing in common with any natural language. co'o rodo stivn. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged. --Michael Shirley
RIAA turns against Hollings bill
The New York Times is reporting at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/technology/14CND-PIRACY.html that the Recording Industry Association of America, along with two computer and technology industry trade groups, has agreed not to seek new government regulations to mandate technological controls for copyright protection. This appears to refer primarily to the Hollings bill, the CBDTPA, which had already been struck a blow when Hollings lost his committee chairmanship due to the Democrats losing Senate leadership. Most observers see this latest step as being the last nail in the coffin for the CBDTPA. Some months ago there were those who were predicting that Trusted Computing technology, as embodied in the TCPA and Palladium proposals, would be mandated by the Hollings bill. They said that all this talk of voluntary implementations was just a smoke screen while the players worked behind the scenes to pass laws that would mandate TCPA and Palladium in their most restrictive forms. It was said that Linux would be banned, that computers would no longer be able to run software that we can use today. We would cease to be the real owners of our computers, others would be root on them. A whole host of calamaties were forecast. How does this latest development change the picture? If there is no Hollings bill, does this mean that Trusted Computing will be voluntary, as its proponents have always claimed? And if we no longer have such a threat of a mandated Trusted Computing technology, how bad is it for the system to be offered in a free market? Let technology companies decide whether to offer Palladium technology on their computers or not. Let content producers decide whether to use Palladium to protect their content or not. Let consumers decide whether to purchase and enable Palladium on their systems or not. Why is it so bad for people to freely make their own decisions about how best to live their lives? Cypherpunks of all people should be the last to advocate limiting the choices of others. Thankfully, it looks like freedom may win this round, despite the efforts of cypherpunks and online freedom advocates to eliminate this new technology option.
Re: RIAA turns against Hollings bill
It makes me wonder just what kind of backroom deal was cut in the negotiations. On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Nomen Nescio wrote: The New York Times is reporting at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/technology/14CND-PIRACY.html that the Recording Industry Association of America, along with two computer and technology industry trade groups, has agreed not to seek new government regulations to mandate technological controls for copyright protection. This appears to refer primarily to the Hollings bill, the CBDTPA, which had already been struck a blow when Hollings lost his committee chairmanship due to the Democrats losing Senate leadership. Most observers see this latest step as being the last nail in the coffin for the CBDTPA. Some months ago there were those who were predicting that Trusted Computing technology, as embodied in the TCPA and Palladium proposals, would be mandated by the Hollings bill. They said that all this talk of voluntary implementations was just a smoke screen while the players worked behind the scenes to pass laws that would mandate TCPA and Palladium in their most restrictive forms. It was said that Linux would be banned, that computers would no longer be able to run software that we can use today. We would cease to be the real owners of our computers, others would be root on them. A whole host of calamaties were forecast. How does this latest development change the picture? If there is no Hollings bill, does this mean that Trusted Computing will be voluntary, as its proponents have always claimed? And if we no longer have such a threat of a mandated Trusted Computing technology, how bad is it for the system to be offered in a free market? Let technology companies decide whether to offer Palladium technology on their computers or not. Let content producers decide whether to use Palladium to protect their content or not. Let consumers decide whether to purchase and enable Palladium on their systems or not. Why is it so bad for people to freely make their own decisions about how best to live their lives? Cypherpunks of all people should be the last to advocate limiting the choices of others. Thankfully, it looks like freedom may win this round, despite the efforts of cypherpunks and online freedom advocates to eliminate this new technology option. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a reporter holding a cell phone up to a talking head surrounded by more conventional microphones, tape recorders. When a major news medium first uses a video snip recorded from a phone at the scene, the Brinworld clock will have advanced another second. And then some Nokia yahoo will introduce some more interesting features that used to be found in $10K specialized video/recording equiptment * snap a frame if something moves (security) * FIFO the last N seconds * low light/IR/frame accumulate etc. making the 7segment LED Brinworld clock blick closer to midnight.
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) -MW-
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 02:09 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text Status: RO Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:40:28 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipient:; From: Monty Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? --Tim May
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:49 AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 01:38 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps But it's a start. Its pretty common to see a reporter holding a cell phone up to a talking head surrounded by more conventional microphones, tape recorders. When a major news medium first uses a video snip recorded from a phone at the scene, the Brinworld clock will have advanced another second. And then some Nokia yahoo will introduce some more interesting features that used to be found in $10K specialized video/recording equiptment * snap a frame if something moves (security) * FIFO the last N seconds * low light/IR/frame accumulate etc. making the 7segment LED Brinworld clock blick closer to midnight. I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). --Tim May
3G Phones (was: Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone)
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote: ... and they lie about it being 3G (which doesn't exist yet.) It's a CDMA2000 phone which is 3G. 3G networks exist in many parts of the world, although behind schedule in other parts. Hmm. I actually can't find any specs on that phone's max speed. The CDMA2000 service being offered by Sprint and Verison in the US does not meet the criteria for 3G. CDMA2000 1x as defined by the ITU is, a 3G standard. Keep in mind, however, that in order to be 3G by the ITU definition, a standard needs to deliver data rates of a minimum of 144 Kbps. The top speed I've seen advertised for CDMA2000 deployments is 70 Kbps. Is CDMA2000 being used outside North America? I thought GSM/GPRS was the dominant standard in Europe and Asia. (GPRS is never 3G.) -MW-
Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every election in American history. Their intervention and they way it was decided sets a very bad precedent. Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and accidentally voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they claimed to interviewers they intended to vote for, namely, Al Gore. (A ballot designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.) It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again nor given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give the votes to Gore. --Tim May Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. --Patrick Henry
Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants
On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have shot Al Gore and Joe Lieberman on the spot. You and Bill need your brains washed out with soap. I'm not happy with Bush, to repeat this mantra that Gore/Lieberman actually won is knavish at best. --Tim May
Re: Indo European Origins
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:36:46AM -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: Very true. Communicating with a 14th century Englishman would be difficult. I took a similar major's course with Robert Kaske in the 80's without the benefit of the side-by-side. It was as close to learning a new language as I got without having it count towards my foreign language requirement. I think a modern reader would recognize a fair number of words and structures. In a good bit of that they would be mistaken in their understanding and overall would be hard-pressed to comprehend the texts in any depth. You don't even have to read 14th Cent. lit to experience that. Read A Clockwork Orange -- most folks find they read about 1/3 to 1/2 before they go back and start over. Gibson, at least the earlier stuff, like Neuromancer, is a bit like that, but Burgess really almost invented a new language. Language evolves more rapidly than the yours (and Tim's) examples tho -- look at innercity blackspeak, especially Chicago. Forget the ebonics jokes -- this is a genuine language change. Or look at other areas of the country with older language evolution -- Gullah in So. Caroline, for instance, a much earlier language specialization. When I was at the Univ. of So. Alabama in Mobile, I came across a group of country blacks in a grocery store whose language was totally incomprehensible, at least to me. I asked black friends about it, and they could mimic it a bit, but confessed that they too had a lot of difficulty understanding it, and they were native Mobilians. I was raised, for the most part, in the deep South, but I've also come across many whites there whose speech was very difficult to understand, and which, I'm sure, if one tried to read an accurate phonetic rendition, without benefit of body language, would seem be essentially a foreign language. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants
At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, [Bill Stewart] wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. At 10:40 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have shot Al Gore and Joe Lieberman on the spot. You and Bill need your brains washed out with soap. I'm not happy with Bush, to repeat this mantra that Gore/Lieberman actually won is knavish at best. I'm not sure who won, but I know who tried to make sure that nobody else got to count the votes; it was pure sleaze, and he got away with it, though I'll grant you that the incompetence of the Democrats at enforcing the rules about getting the votes recounted when they're close enough that Florida law permits it certainly contributed to that. Gore and Lieberman would have been no prize in office either, but they wouldn't have done much more damage to the economy or to civil liberties, probably much less, and would have been less gung-ho about getting us into a war and would have found some kind of pork that's more productive than military hardware to spend our tax money on.
Politics as dandruff...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 1:47 AM -0800 1/14/03, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:40 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Were it up to me, I would have shot Al Gore and Joe Lieberman on the spot. You and Bill need your brains washed out with soap. I'm not happy with Bush, to repeat this mantra that Gore/Lieberman actually won is knavish at best. snip Gore and Lieberman would have been no prize in office either, but they wouldn't have done much more damage to the economy or to civil liberties, probably much less, and would have been less gung-ho about getting us into a war and would have found some kind of pork that's more productive than military hardware to spend our tax money on. At the time, it absolutely amazed me how, when push came to political shove, all the libertarians and ostensible anarchocapitalists -- myself included -- went back to behaving like, if not becoming actual, Democrats and Republicans in November 2000. Or for that matter, how September 2001 changed that initial polarization, one way or another. The joys of the American binary, winner-take-all pseudomarket for force, I suppose. [Yes, I know, the French have the same type of system and they have multiple parties, and, yes, I know, proportional representation probably yields *more* law and regulation than the system Americans have, and, no, I don't think we can do much better than what we have, qua politics itself, except to make smaller nation states, which will probably happen in this country more from market forces than political violence, probably under the guise of some kind of Federal devolution, and yes, we need actual markets for force instead of transfer-priced monopolies for same... Right. In the meantime, you're preaching to the choir. :-)] It is -- almost -- amusing, nonetheless, to see really how fragile it is, how hard it is to coalesce around, this idea of stateless freedom that lots of us have discovered, in *concrete* form, for first time, on this list. An actual method, a technology, to get to that freedom without having to resort to politics itself like the libertarians do, or to violence like some anarchists do, or outright non-participation like anarchocapitalists do. Given that it took a couple of hundred years between the Thirty Years War, when an actual economic *requirement* for an orthogonality of politics and religion was first discovered and the removal of monopolistic force from the latter was first implemented, and the American Revolution, when the first ostensibly religion-orthogonal nation-state was founded, I expect that we really shouldn't be too surprised that we still have such a long row to hoe before we can finally kick the state out of the economy once and for all, to be just as free of politics as a means of controlling force as our forefathers made themselves free of religious control of the same. Until we do so, however, we're going to have to deal with the fact that we're still Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives, no matter what even our registered voting affiliation says we are. For instance, Bill and Tim are, I believe, both registered Libertarians. (And, of course, I'm still a registered Republican. In Massachusetts, no less, so I'm literally hopeless. :-)) Nonetheless, when I see the above kinds of discussion from people who do agree on method, if not cause, I can't help thinking about something Heinlein said about religion, and I have to smile a bit: Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. - --R.A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPiQwtMPxH8jf3ohaEQIxewCdFzzKjwzRdoRw9V6cOVHgUKnfN5cAn3V1 Daeb5ErSfZqv/Mv7e60Ny9p7 =Xg90 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA All government is, in its essence, organized exploitation, and in virtually all of its existing forms it is the implacable enemy of every industrious and well-disposed man. -- H.L. Mencken
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules about the kind of video-broadcast technology that's allowed, some people build it using Technology like cell-phone jammers, while others of us accomplish it by having figures that nobody's going to bother photographing :-)
Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants
At 10:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Monday, January 13, 2003, at 09:23 PM, John Kelsey wrote: At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every election in American history. Their intervention and they way it was decided sets a very bad precedent. steve
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
At 11:39 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Hardly Brinworld. And T-Mobile has had it for awhile. Why is warmed-over technology news given headlines? Because all of us phone company stockholders hope maybe warmed-over headlines will get them to buy the stuff this time? Less cynically, though, some of the newer technology is making this a bit more practical - data speeds on cell phones are getting fast enough that if they've designed the phones right, you can get at least CU-SeeMe quality video and maybe better, with 64kbps, and ostensibly 384kbps which lets you do a bit better than just talking heads video, as opposed to most of the earlier cellphones-with-still-cameras. (Of course, if they're charging you by the minute, you're not likely to do much of this, though some of the cellphone companies have figured out that they really should be selling flat-rate data.) But it's a start.
Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants
At 10:44 AM 1/13/03 -0800, you wrote: If you've got your brother counting the votes, and you can prevent anybody else from counting them, then you don't need to cancel elections. Personally, I was shocked, *shocked*, to see the supreme court make a decision on the basis of politics instead of a careful reading of the constitution. To get back to the broader point of the previous poster, I'm honestly a lot less creeped out by the idea that Bush has the power to order people assassinated or disappeared (though obviously that's a really bad thing) than with the idea that, sooner or later, that power is going to get spread out to a whole bunch of people, some of whom will be getting their performance evaluated based on how many suspected terrorists they've had killed or disappeared. Gee, Fred, you're showing up to work on time, you're filling your paperwork out properly, but I'm afraid you're just not being effective enough at rooting out Al Qaida operatives. I'm sure you can do better, though--just find me five operatives in the next week --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Indo European Origins (language mutability, efficiency)
On Ken's All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. At first this parsed because I was thinking in the sense of all organisms have ancestries going back the same amount of time. (And humans aren't the 'goal' of evolution.) Not sure if non-bioheads got this. Anyway others' complaints clarified speciation --if you are willing to identify a bifurcation point then you *can* age a species or any other fork --Linux 2.4, Latin, Corvettes, etc. At 10:36 AM 1/14/03 -0800, Michael Motyka wrote: An interesting question that arises out of the observation that some languages are relatively static and others - like English - have been changing steadily. Is there any connection between the evolution behavior of the language and the vitality of the culture? I think so. Vitality is fuzzy. Clearly America admitting everyone (cf Japanese) helps. Clearly not having an Acadamie Anglaise helps (cf surrender-monkeys). Electronic media probably help. There's an even more interesting technical evolution: English is also undergoing entropic refinement or Hamming-like coding, as speakers prune or invent for efficiency. As it is, it takes fewer letters in English to say something than every other common language. Look at the instruction manuals for your domestic appliances. Forms (memory requirements) get simpler ---can you believe that the surrender-monkeys retain a gender-bit for every friggin object-- and phonetically simpler too. The sounds get more orthogonal. Also the influence of immigrants and children and lazy native speakers who can't tell a v from a w or d from th, or remember the 150 irregular verbs. Some of this is natural. I've adopted the southern y'all because English has no plural third person and this ambiguity is annoying when you're emailing to several people. Note also the efficiency of the contraction. You hear data used as singular enough times, you say fuck it, I'll have a beer, or several beer [sic]. Talk to Eastern Europeans long enough, you'll start dropping your articles, though you may miss the FEC/prompting and flash back to Boris Natasha cartoons...
Re: Indo European Origins
At 04:25 PM 01/14/2003 +, Ken Brown wrote: All contemporary natural languages, like all biological species, are the same age. This statement is so silly it leaves me speechless... [] Nonsense. Icelandic is little changed from the Old Norse of 1000 A.D. Icelanders can easily read the sagas without help; modern Danes and Norwegians cannot. English, by contrast, is substantially different from just the Middle English of Chaucer, let alone the Old English of Beowulf. Er, that's exactly what I said - they are the same age, but some change more slowly than others... and I did warn that I was being unreasonably pedantic. If you're going to be pedantic, it would be nice if you start by defining the objects you're measuring the age of, because otherwise I have to strongly agree with Tim's statement - I don't see how you could claim either that all natural languages date from the year X BC when Mitochondrial Mama Eve learned to talk, or that all biological species have been extent since our first cellular ancestors crawled their way up out of the primordial soup to declare themselves to be the prime-time slime. The one set of definitions I'm familiar with that would lead to statements like yours is creationism, in the 4004BC Big Bang sense, with a subdefinition that anything created the same week is the same age, since of course the plants, animals, and humans were created on different days. In modern scientific creationism*, the same events occurred stretch out over a longer and earlier time, with plants and animals and humans showing up in different periods, so they're much different ages. But neither one of those definitions makes all _languages_ the same age; at minimum there are the languages descended from what Noah's family spoke and the different languages that appeared after the Tower of Babel (unless you want to argue that those are supernatural languages?) but I don't see Biblical evidence asserting that other languages didn't appear as people needed them. Hawai'ian pidgen simply didn't exist until Europeans moved into Polynesian territory and started trading with them, and unlike the evolution of English since Shakespeare and/or Chaucer, the languages that emerged from the collision of English Anglo-Saxon and Norman after the Conquest (plus the collisions of Anglo and Saxon and Latin and Celtic and Pictish-if-it's-different that happened before) are sufficiently different from what either side spoke beforehand that I can't see any pedagogue worth his salarium asserting that they're still instantiations of the same Original Linguistic Object. You might as well argue that Esperanto** is just a rapidly evolved Indo-European. Were you trying to make some different point your pedagogue taught you, about the age of all these things being Brand New Every Day? Or is there something fundamental that I'm just missing that you had in mind? * Stop giggling, the difference is important to my point here... ** You probably _can't_ argue that about Logban; hacking the grammar to make it yacc-parseable is pretty radical surgery.
Re: Chad Gore wants a chance to vote a second time!
At 12:28 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:29 AM, Steve Schear wrote: Everything the Supreme Court did in the 2000 election was fully justified. The Dems lost, then tried to change the rules. Perhaps its my lack of depth in understanding the Constitution and its Amendments, but it seems to me that the robed ones were applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that could de-legitimize virtually every election in American history. Their intervention and they way it was decided sets a very bad precedent. Some old Jews and some negroes screwed up their ballots and accidentally voted, they claimed, for Pat Buchanan instead of who they claimed to interviewers they intended to vote for, namely, Al Gore. (A ballot designed by a Democrat precinct, by the way.) It was proper that they were neither given a chance to vote over again nor given a chance to have incorrectly punched ballots altered to give the votes to Gore. All true, but you didn't address my concern about the nature of the SC intervention. In the book, 'The Accidental President,' by Newsweek writer David A. Kaplan--challenges statements by some justices in the aftermath of the decision that they had put the matter behind them and were once again enjoying cordial relations. It describes Souter and the three colleagues who joined him in dissent--Justices Stephen G. Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and John Paul Stevens--as angered and baffled by the majority opinion. Kaplan's book excerpt reveals that the animosities within the Court spilled over at a gathering of the Justices while they were hosting six visiting Russian judges. ``'In our country,' a Russian justice said, bemused, 'we wouldn't let judges pick the president.' The justice added that he knew that, in various nations, judges were in the pocket of executive officials -- he just didn't know that was so in the United States,'' Kaplan writes. ``Stephen Breyer was angry and launched into an attack on the decision, right in front of his colleagues. It was 'the most outrageous, indefensible thing' the Court had ever done, he told the visiting judges. 'We all agree to disagree, but this is different.' Breyer was defiant, brimming with confidence that he'd been right in his long dissent.'' Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was more baffled than annoyed, attempting to rationalize the legitimacy of the ruling. ``'Are we so highly political, after all?' she said. 'We've surely done other things, too, that were activist, but here we're applying the Equal Protection Clause in a way that would de-legitimize virtually every election in American history','' Kaplan writes. steve
Re: Brinworld: Samsung SCH-V310 camcorder phone
Bill Stewart said: At 12:31 PM 01/14/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: I saw mention on the Yahoo news site that some health clubs and gyms are already taking steps to limit the types of cellphones allowed in the changing areas (and maybe elsewhere). Hey, some people get their privacy by going to places that have Rules about the kind of video-broadcast technology that's allowed, some people build it using Technology like cell-phone jammers, while others of us accomplish it by having figures that nobody's going to bother photographing :-) Unless you are being rebirthed by a home applicance. http://pics.nikita.ca/artificial-gravity/bill.jpg
