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hi,

Would countries with an advanced space program and
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with the knowledge that they can successfully launch 
medium range missiles (2000 to 3000 km range).

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2003-02-01 Thread professor rat
SOFT MACHINE Forget hard wiring ­ fluffy circuits are the way to kick-start 
the cyborg revolution, says Eugenie Samuel
http://www.newscientist.com/inprint/ipcontents.jsp

Electrodes removed several weeks after implantation with new 'fuzzy' 
material technology came away with clumps of living brain tissue...

P.38 Feb.1 issue New Scientist.



USA hauled before world court.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat

Texas, U.S. Challenged by Mexico Over Executions 
Mexico approached the International Court of Justice at the Hague Jan.
21, demanding stays of execution for all 51 Mexican nationals currently
on death row in the United States, 16 of those Mexicans are held in
Texas. Last year's execution of Javier Suárez Medina by Texas sparked
tensions between the countries. The United States has systematically
denied Mexicans their rights to contact their consulates for help at the
time of arrest, as mandated by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular
Relations. The U.S. State Department has called Mexico's move a
deep intrusion into the sovereignty of America's criminal justice
system.
More: Sandra
Babcock of the Mexican Capital Legal Assistance Program |
Barrio Defense Committee on Suarez
execution
http://houston.indymedia.org/


Houston police department is hopelessly corrupt.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat

32 Cops Disciplined as Kmart Raid Fallout
Continues 
This department is hopelessly corrupt and this is a grotesque
charade posing as justice, HPD officer Mark Aguirre told the media
after news of his firing was announced Wednesday. Sgt. Ken Wenzel, one of
13 officers suspended with pay over the Aug. 18 K-Mart raid, resigned
Tuesday hours before he was to meet with acting Police Chief Tim
Oettmeier. Aguirre and Wenzel were indicted last month on five counts
each of official oppression for the Aug. 18 sweep of a K-Mart parking
lot, where officers arrested hundreds on charges of trespassing and
curfew violations. Thirteen police officers were suspended with pay and
all the trespassing and curfew violations dropped. No charges were filed
against the other 11 officers implicated in the incident. More:
Copwatch offers to take Aguirre up on corruption
allegation, make documentation federal
http://houston.indymedia.org/


Standing Deer remembered.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat

Standing Deer Remembered -- a report on the memorial to Standing Deer
1-26-03
by Ken Freeland • Sunday January
26, 2003 at 04:29 PM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
A short report on the memorial held for murdered Native American activist
Standing Deer on 26 January 2003 in Southwest Houston.
Standing Deer Remembered 
A packed crowd of family, friends and admirers of Standing Deer attended
the memorial held in his honor at the Miller Funeral Home in Southwest
Houston. One-by-one, people he had touched with his wisdom and love stood
before the mourners to recall with great fondness the man each described
as one of the happiest men on earth. As the sweet smell of burning sage
wafted through the air, his family members and many friends recalled his
continual smiling, laughter, joke-telling and story-telling. Also
testified to was Standing Deer's monumental example and courage in the
face of the oppression of the prison system, and his fearlessness in
breaking with the people who were setting him up to take part in Leonard
Peltier's assassination, despite what this would mean in terms of the
length of his prison stay, and his treatment while there. This riveting
story, as recounted by Standing Deer, was read aloud to the audience, and
a frisson of awe swept the room at this electrifying report of this man's
fortitude in the face of such powerful pressure. 
Standing Deer, reported those closest to him, had vowed not to die till
Leonard Peltier was released from prison. So clearly he is still with us,
and will not truly rest until Leonard is free. Leonard was notified of
Standing Deer's brutal murder, but as luck would have it, had run out of
allotted telephone minutes and was unable to communicate his statement
from prison. 
Speakers agreed that the best tribute to pay to Standing Deer would be
the continuation of the struggle to free Leonard Peltier. For more
information on the local Houston effort to free Leonard, contact Jac at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
The loss of Standing Deer is a deep one for the progressive community.
But the struggle for Peltier's release will only grow stronger from it.
As someone very close to Standing Deer said at the conclusion of the
memorial (in a Native American language): We are all related.

add your comments
i wish i was there
by jackson allers • Monday January
27, 2003 at 08:17 PM
i was so disappointed that i wasn't told about the wake. what little
contact i had with standing deer wilson was powerful. what i have come to
know about him in his death is astounding. he was a true warrior for
justice. may we all remember him and take his spirit with us when times
get tough in the fight for justice in all it's forms. 
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/7018.php



Historic Reparations Lawsuit Filed in Texas.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat

Historic Reparations Lawsuit Filed in Texas 
The Texas NAACP announced Jan. 20 it plans for a lawsuit against J.P.
Morgan Chase  Co., WestPoint Stevens Inc., Union Pacific Railroad
and 100 unnamed defendants on allegations that they profited from
slavery, which the lawsuit defines as a crime against humanity. The
lawsuit is the latest of a number that have been filed in states across
the South seeking payments from companies that were either directly or
indirectly involved in financing slavery. Lawyers handling the case
believe it will be consolidated with the other lawsuits in Chicago. 

Background:
Texas, Reparations  Black Power by Dr. Conrad W. Worrill | The lawsuit 
http://houston.indymedia.org/


Death Star.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat

Enron Seeking $29 Million in
Bonuses 
The crash of Houston-based Enron stunned the city and the world. Almost
5,000 employees released. Thousands of retirement plans wiped out.
Enron's demise wasn't due to business factors like competition, a
shrinking market or a lagging economy. It was due to deceitful, and
perhaps illegal, games played by executives: diverting funds into secret
partnerships, “cooking the books” to keep deals secret, lying to
employees about Enron’s financial health, while selling their own stock
to make sure they wouldn't be hurt when the company folded. Nearly the
whole time, the energy giant was the subject of glowing coverage from the
mainstream media, which turned company press releases into near
celebrations of capitalism and corporate greed. As the city begins to
pick up the pieces, the Houston Independent Media Center presents ongoing
coverage of one of the biggest corporate schemes in history.
News  Commentary:
Enron Scandal Points to Bush | “Can't Anybody Here Play This Game?” by Molly Ivins | Ken Lay's Nest Egg | “Meritocracy or Plutocracy?” by Nathaniel J. Graham | Enron’s Operations In Argentina | Human Rights Watch on Enron | “Enron, We Hardly Knew Ye” by Greg Guma | Energy Industry's Dirty Little Details About to Come to Light | Enron enjoyed plenty of favorable media coverage prior to collapse
http://houston.indymedia.org/


Into the northwoods.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat


Operation Northwoods called for a war in which many patriotic Americans and 
innocent Cubans would die senseless deaths -- all to satisfy the egos of 
twisted generals back in Washington, safe in their taxpayer-financed homes 
and limousines.

One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first 
American to orbit the earth. On February 20, 1962, Glenn was to lift off 
from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to 
carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into 
orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different 
idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill 
Glenn, the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that ... the fault 
lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic]. This would be accomplished, 
Lemnitzer continued, by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which 
would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans. Thus, as 
NASA prepared to send the first American into space, the Joint Chiefs of 
Staff were preparing to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext to 
launch a war.

Glenn lifted into history without mishap, leaving Lemnitzer and the Chiefs 
to begin devising new plots which they suggested be carried out within the 
time frame of the next few months.

The Declassified document can be consulted at:

Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention 
in Cuba [includes cover memoranda], March 13, 1962, TOP SECRET, 15 pp.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

NOTE: Requires Acrobat Reader. Wait a few moments for the document to open 
in pdf format.
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=233061group=webcast



Silent but deadly.

2003-02-01 Thread professor rat
Two books on submarine operations during the Cold War are on the market. 
The earlier, Blind Man's Bluff, has a copyright date of 1998, while the 
more recent, The Silent War, has a copyright date of 2001. The authors of 
Blind Man's Bluff refer several times to John Craven, auther of The Silent 
War, while Craven refers to Blind Man's Bluff in several places, sometimes 
to question its analysis.
The Silent War was written by one of the principles in submarine circles 
during the Cold War, John Craven. As such, he is in the paradoxical 
position of knowing more of the details than the authors of Blind Man's 
Bluff, while being bound by security regulations to say less. As a result, 
his book presents an interesting picture of the personalities involved, and 
an occasional interesting technical tidbit [two examples: big waves can be 
created on demand by driving a large ship at high speed - and turning it 
abruptly at the last second; materials have a critical temperature, below 
which they become brittle, rather than flexible.] - but less operational 
detail.
The book is written in the first person and with a sense of excitement that 
one would expect from an author having lived through the experiences 
personally. Despite stumbling over an occasional cliché or misspelled word, 
the writing is competent to very good.
Which to read? If you want to know what happened, I'd go for Blind Man's 
Bluff. Its content overcomes the better writing and sense of presence of 
The Silent Sea. If you want to know something about the people that made it 
happen, I'd go with The Silent War
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NASA doesn't check astronauts' ID

2003-02-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:50 AM 2/1/03 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
   Interesting event, eh? Pretty well timed. They're already saying it
wasn't a
missle, which may be. Could have been a bomb tho -- pretty weird that
it's the

Its possible that NASA doesn't check astronauts' ID.  So maybe one was a
terrorist.

[Heh: Maybe the one that personally bombed another country unprovoked?]

Kinda makes that zionist-occupation-of-orbit spoof ironic.  Score 1 for
Allah.




Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-01 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 11:53:47AM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Of course. I have no doubt whatsoever that we'll soon see checkpoints at
 every entrance and exit to all cities where they search the cars and
 passengers. It's only a matter of time. And probably require visas to travel
 anywhere, or at least pre-trip filing of travel plans.

I recently caught Hunt for Red October on TV. In it, the defecting Russian
officers were talking about being able to travel around the U.S. from state
to state without receiving government approval first. One didn't think
it was possible; the captain reassured him otherwise.

True, the dialogue was a little insipid. But look at how far we've come
in such a short time.

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   Does anyone know where a copy of Jimmy Carter's statement yesterday can be
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it sounded quite interesting. Gee, Tim must be right, I must be a lefty if Jimmy
Carter is starting to sound good. 8-) And I've even decided that come the next
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Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread Tim May
Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a 
constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have 
probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle 
and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.)

Many tons of debris, scattered over at least three states.

The FedGov is already trying to claim control over the entire debris 
field.

(Of course, those in the know would be interested in any debris which 
includes artifacts from Shen Zou 4, the module left in orbit by the 
Chinese satellite launch, said by Jane's to be a military surveillance 
satellite, China's first, and said to have been a recovery mission by 
the three payload specialists on the classified STS-107 misison. The 
possibility that the Chinese set a 3-kg explosive charge to detonate 
under accelerometer signals is...interesting.)

Janes.com: SZ 4 left its orbital module in orbit, where it will 
operate as an independent satellite for six or seven months, conducting 
Earth observation (perhaps military as well as civil), science and 
technical experiments. 

But, of course, such speculations are now banned under orders of 
HomeSec Internal Security Directorate 117-4, so I am making no such 
speculations.




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Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Great how bush's daughter, the cocaine addict, isn't in jail, but this
man, who was deputized by the city of oakland to grow this marijuana,
is going to be in jail for 20 years. Bush himself was arrested for
DUI, I wish he was rotting in jail instead of ed.

Hold it...Bush's relationship with Cocaine is on a first name basis at 
least. What's this about him as Governer of Texas flying the same plane that 
had supposedly moved the cocaine for the drugs-for-guns part of Iran Contra?

And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental 
DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly 
this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And 
I keep hearing there's video of that bust.)

Do some fishing around on http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html
and you'll eventually see the references.

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Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote...


Silliness. The name cypherpunks was a pun on cyberpunks, a pun 
suggested by Jude Milhon, a woman writer for Mondo 2000 at the time.

Being that there is no body which decides what our group is called, or 
even that it _is_ a group, saying that someone's pun on top of someone 
else's pun means some political ideology attached to degenerates like Sid 
Vicious, the Dead Kennedy's, etc., is pure silliness.

Whether even cyberpunks had anything substantive to do with the so-called 
punk music scene is debatable, but cypherpunks certainly did not. The 
political ideology of all musical punks I have met is decidedly leftist, 
and not in the way libertarians often like. Rather, the leftists of British 
socialism, of American Democrat statists, and of Trotskyites in general.

Sometimes I keep asking myself if the author of statements like these is 
really pretending Guru-like to be clueless just to elicit a response.
But it's obvious here that whoever Tim May is he's just about clueless.

In the discussions about the meaning of the suffix -punk I don't remember 
seeing any suggestion that Cypherpunks had any connection politically or 
music-wise to punk music. The posts were meant to explore what 
quintessentially punk flavorings might be implied by the name or that may be 
reflected in the overall makeup of the list.

And yes, I was aware of where the term originated from, and it was clear to 
me that the intent of the naming was to imply a sort of anti-establishment 
don't give a crap we're going to code and unload crypto apps attitude.

And to some extent, the list (no, not a group, but a set of lists with the 
name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off 
when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce 
whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to.

Hmmm...a song lyric comes to mind...

If you've come to fight, get outa here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy

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Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread John Bethencourt
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 12:31:16PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
 
 Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a 
 constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have 
 probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle 
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Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Interesting event, eh? Pretty well timed. They're already saying it wasn't a
 missle, which may be.

Or they want us to think so, playing double-bluff. (It isn't possible to
get a missile up there quickly enough and accurately enough to hit so high
and fast target. (Though one can never rule out an infrared MIRACL-class
laser. But a plain vanilla mechanical failure seems more probable.
Remember, most airplanes that crash don't contain any bomb, and the most
vicious terrorist is lousy maintenance.)

 Could have been a bomb tho -- pretty weird that it's the first problem
 they've ever had with a landing, and just happens to have the Israeli
 onboard.

Once it had to be the first time, especially with the cost-cutting so
common these days, and with the careerism and bureaucracy that thrives in
the management of every big organization.

 Over Texas too. If it weren't terrs, then it must be Allah warning the
 Great Satan to watch his step.

Over Texas it was in just the right flight phase to experience problems;
just the point where the shuttle was about to switch from spacecraft to
aircraft mode, switching to alternate control systems.

Interesting too that Saddam's eldest son just warned that 9/11 would be a
 picnic compared to what will happen if the US invades. And then there's those
 3,000 Iraqis the feebs said they were looking for

Saddam's family is known for having bigger mouths than capabilities.

Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though more
likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember Challenger,
where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

Shame Feynmann is dead :(((  I'd LOVE to read his report about this one.




Re: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: CDR: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy


[snip conspiracy theory]
 Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
 lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
 something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though more
 likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember Challenger,
 where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of debris
that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with the left
wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was reviewed in
great detail and it was determined that it was innocent, considering the
proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to be at least
something worth investigating.
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Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread André Esteves
On Sunday, 2 de February de 2003 01:45, you wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:42 PM
 Subject:  Re: Shuttle Diplomacy


 [snip conspiracy theory]

  Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
  lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
  something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though
  more likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember
  Challenger, where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

 One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of
 debris that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with
 the left wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was
 reviewed in great detail and it was determined that it was innocent,
 considering the proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to
 be at least something worth investigating.
 Joe

You betcha!! If more than a few tiles separated the plasma (much ionized 
oxigen) would interact with the aluminium of the shuttle structure and as 
aluminium has a high oxidation value an explosion would ensue... (Think 
termite...)  --- just a personal theory

My question is other thou...

Several years ago, some tiles got off the shuttle during liftoff. Being 
afraid of the condition of space shuttle a Keyhole spy satelite was used to 
examine the bottom of the space shuttle...

Why hell in a mission with more than 10 days in space, they didn't do it 
again?  The KH satellites too busy???

Only if there is a desperate search for saddam hussein's weapons of mass 
destruction or Osama Bin Laden... and there was no need to bug those people 
on the reconaissance office...

Cheers,

aife




Re: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack

 One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of debris
 that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with the left
 wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was reviewed in
 great detail and it was determined that it was innocent, considering the
 proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to be at least
 something worth investigating.

According to Slashdot, the ground control started to lose data from
shuttle's sensors; first from the back of the left wing, then spreading
forward, then all the shuttle went dead. Sounds like a structural damage.
The takeoff damage could've been a contributing factor; one single
slightly loosened tile can be deadly in such speeds.

I just hope they won't mothball the ISS...





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Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, one little trick I learned from the natives from living in China is to 
see what's being denied the most vehemently. If, over the next few days, 
they keep saying It's not a missle, it's not a missle, then you KNOW it's 
a fuckin missle.

(It worked a little differently in China...if they thought Deng Xiao Peng 
and whoever was having a lot of political friction, they'd wait to see if 
there were lots of pictures in the papers of those two guys shaking hands. 
Then they'd know the rumors were confirmed.)

Another sign to look for is the doublethink sign...if some theory is being 
discussed that seems pretty important but then a few days later there's 
absolutely no more mention of it, then that's a real good candidate for the 
truth.

-TD






From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:59:13 +0100 (CET)

 One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of 
debris
 that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with the 
left
 wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was reviewed 
in
 great detail and it was determined that it was innocent, considering the
 proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to be at least
 something worth investigating.

According to Slashdot, the ground control started to lose data from
shuttle's sensors; first from the back of the left wing, then spreading
forward, then all the shuttle went dead. Sounds like a structural damage.
The takeoff damage could've been a contributing factor; one single
slightly loosened tile can be deadly in such speeds.

I just hope they won't mothball the ISS...


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2003-02-01 Thread Lucky Green
Declan wrote:
 http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php?products_id=331
 http://www.del 
 trontech.com/Enclosure/E3S/E3S.htm
 
 Interesting, but I'm confused about the Real-time 64-bit/ 
 40-bit DES (Data 
 Encryption Standard) Encryption/ Decryption with throughput 
 of 712Mbit/ sec
 
 Does anyone know about a stronger version of a similar device?

This looks very similar to the dLock device.
http://www.enovatek.com.tw/realtime-hd.htm

Perhaps they are using the same ASIC? If so, the product is pure crap.
Based on conversations that I had with the booth staff at the last RSA
conference, the dLock employs DES and 3DES in ECB mode. Meaning the
ciphertext on disk can be broken with the most trivial of cryptanalysis.

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Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:01 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, John Bethencourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 12:31:16PM -0800, Tim May wrote:

 Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a
 constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have
 probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle
 and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.)

Yep, ebay has already removed such auctions, e.g., item #2156954390,
`SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA PIECE OF WRECKAGE PART'.


Perhaps this is an opportunity for competitive, even offshore, auction 
sites to take the fore.

http://www.goldbarter.com uses  e-gold.

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Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:33:50PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
 name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off 
 when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce 
 whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to.

Jocks enforcing ideology seems to me to be a concept coterminous
with flaming the clueless.

:)

-Declan



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Re: Encrypted hard drive enclosure for $139

2003-02-01 Thread Bill Stewart
At 06:14 PM 02/01/2003 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:

http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php?products_id=331
http://www.deltrontech.com/Enclosure/E3S/E3S.htm

Interesting, but I'm confused about the
Real-time 64-bit/ 40-bit DES (Data Encryption Standard)
Encryption/ Decryption with throughput of 712Mbit/ sec


Yeah.  And the web page claims it's military-grade security.
It's like, if you know enough to build such a thing,
why don't you know enough to use real encryption?
Somebody on Slashdot recommended this for Schneier's doghouse list.

Now, 712 Mbit/sec is about 90 MByte/sec, which means if it
were doing 3DES, it'd probably be about 30 MByte/sec,
which is no longer fast enough to be entertaining.




Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 12:12:16PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 10:44:50AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
  I don't know if this is your reason for expecting not to fly  
  commercially again, but for anyone who thinks trains will somehow be  
  exempted from the national security police state, think again.
 
 Right. One Democratic anti-terror proposal would link police to Amtrak
 databases: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02715.html
 
 Even before Sept 11, Amtrak was sharing passenger info with the DEA
 for drug prosecutions:
 http://www.politechbot.com/p-01909.html
 
 Come on, folks -- Amtrak is a federal government entity. It will be in the
 vanguard of the next big push to advance the national security state.

   Of course. I have no doubt whatsoever that we'll soon see checkpoints at
every entrance and exit to all cities where they search the cars and
passengers. It's only a matter of time. And probably require visas to travel
anywhere, or at least pre-trip filing of travel plans.


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com




Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Harmon Seaver
   Interesting event, eh? Pretty well timed. They're already saying it wasn't a
missle, which may be. Could have been a bomb tho -- pretty weird that it's the
first problem they've ever had with a landing, and just happens to have the
Israeli onboard. Over Texas too. If it weren't terrs, then it must be Allah
warning the Great Satan to watch his step.
   Interesting too that Saddam's eldest son just warned that 9/11 would be a
picnic compared to what will happen if the US invades. And then there's those
3,000 Iraqis the feebs said they were looking for

-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com




NASA doesn't check astronauts' ID

2003-02-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:50 AM 2/1/03 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
   Interesting event, eh? Pretty well timed. They're already saying it
wasn't a
missle, which may be. Could have been a bomb tho -- pretty weird that
it's the

Its possible that NASA doesn't check astronauts' ID.  So maybe one was a
terrorist.

[Heh: Maybe the one that personally bombed another country unprovoked?]

Kinda makes that zionist-occupation-of-orbit spoof ironic.  Score 1 for
Allah.




Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread Tim May
Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a 
constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have 
probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle 
and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.)

Many tons of debris, scattered over at least three states.

The FedGov is already trying to claim control over the entire debris 
field.

(Of course, those in the know would be interested in any debris which 
includes artifacts from Shen Zou 4, the module left in orbit by the 
Chinese satellite launch, said by Jane's to be a military surveillance 
satellite, China's first, and said to have been a recovery mission by 
the three payload specialists on the classified STS-107 misison. The 
possibility that the Chinese set a 3-kg explosive charge to detonate 
under accelerometer signals is...interesting.)

Janes.com: SZ 4 left its orbital module in orbit, where it will 
operate as an independent satellite for six or seven months, conducting 
Earth observation (perhaps military as well as civil), science and 
technical experiments. 

But, of course, such speculations are now banned under orders of 
HomeSec Internal Security Directorate 117-4, so I am making no such 
speculations.




--Tim May
Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little 
bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now 
racing down, with American flags fluttering.-- Tim May, on events 
following 9/11/2001



Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-01 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 10:44:50AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
 I don't know if this is your reason for expecting not to fly  
 commercially again, but for anyone who thinks trains will somehow be  
 exempted from the national security police state, think again.

Right. One Democratic anti-terror proposal would link police to Amtrak
databases: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02715.html

Even before Sept 11, Amtrak was sharing passenger info with the DEA
for drug prosecutions:
http://www.politechbot.com/p-01909.html

Come on, folks -- Amtrak is a federal government entity. It will be in the
vanguard of the next big push to advance the national security state.

-Declan




ICBM's and space programs

2003-02-01 Thread Sarad AV
hi,

Would countries with an advanced space program and
with capilities of launching satellites have ICBM
capabilities.if yes can they be sucessfully launched
with the knowledge that they can successfully launch 
medium range missiles (2000 to 3000 km range).

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Shuttle Humor

2003-02-01 Thread Eric Cordian
   PRICELESS
   -

Zionist Entity air force training:  $750,000
 
Unprovoked attack on another country's
nuclear installation:   $350,000

Bribes to US Congressmen to promote 
Zionist in Space program:   $1,250,000
 
The look on your fellow astronauts'
faces right before the grenade you are
holding explodes --PRICELESS

There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's
MasterCard.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law




Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread John Bethencourt
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 12:31:16PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
 
 Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a 
 constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have 
 probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle 
 and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.)

Yep, ebay has already removed such auctions, e.g., item #2156954390,
`SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA PIECE OF WRECKAGE PART'.

John Bethencourt




Re: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Joseph Ashwood
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: CDR: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy


[snip conspiracy theory]
 Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
 lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
 something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though more
 likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember Challenger,
 where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of debris
that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with the left
wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was reviewed in
great detail and it was determined that it was innocent, considering the
proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to be at least
something worth investigating.
Joe

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Encrypted hard drive enclosure for $139

2003-02-01 Thread Declan McCullagh
http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php?products_id=331
http://www.del 
trontech.com/Enclosure/E3S/E3S.htm

Interesting, but I'm confused about the Real-time 64-bit/ 40-bit DES (Data 
Encryption Standard) Encryption/ Decryption with throughput of 712Mbit/ sec

Does anyone know about a stronger version of a similar device?

-Declan



Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Interesting event, eh? Pretty well timed. They're already saying it wasn't a
 missle, which may be.

Or they want us to think so, playing double-bluff. (It isn't possible to
get a missile up there quickly enough and accurately enough to hit so high
and fast target. (Though one can never rule out an infrared MIRACL-class
laser. But a plain vanilla mechanical failure seems more probable.
Remember, most airplanes that crash don't contain any bomb, and the most
vicious terrorist is lousy maintenance.)

 Could have been a bomb tho -- pretty weird that it's the first problem
 they've ever had with a landing, and just happens to have the Israeli
 onboard.

Once it had to be the first time, especially with the cost-cutting so
common these days, and with the careerism and bureaucracy that thrives in
the management of every big organization.

 Over Texas too. If it weren't terrs, then it must be Allah warning the
 Great Satan to watch his step.

Over Texas it was in just the right flight phase to experience problems;
just the point where the shuttle was about to switch from spacecraft to
aircraft mode, switching to alternate control systems.

Interesting too that Saddam's eldest son just warned that 9/11 would be a
 picnic compared to what will happen if the US invades. And then there's those
 3,000 Iraqis the feebs said they were looking for

Saddam's family is known for having bigger mouths than capabilities.

Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though more
likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember Challenger,
where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

Shame Feynmann is dead :(((  I'd LOVE to read his report about this one.




Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread André Esteves
On Sunday, 2 de February de 2003 01:45, you wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:42 PM
 Subject:  Re: Shuttle Diplomacy


 [snip conspiracy theory]

  Especially in this case, I'd bet my shoes on Murphy; Columbia was an old
  lady that had her problems even before the launch itself. I'd bet on
  something stupid, like loosened tiles or computer malfunction (though
  more likely the tiles, as the computers are backed up). Remember
  Challenger, where the fault was a stupid O-ring.

 One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of
 debris that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with
 the left wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was
 reviewed in great detail and it was determined that it was innocent,
 considering the proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to
 be at least something worth investigating.
 Joe

You betcha!! If more than a few tiles separated the plasma (much ionized 
oxigen) would interact with the aluminium of the shuttle structure and as 
aluminium has a high oxidation value an explosion would ensue... (Think 
termite...)  --- just a personal theory

My question is other thou...

Several years ago, some tiles got off the shuttle during liftoff. Being 
afraid of the condition of space shuttle a Keyhole spy satelite was used to 
examine the bottom of the space shuttle...

Why hell in a mission with more than 10 days in space, they didn't do it 
again?  The KH satellites too busy???

Only if there is a desperate search for saddam hussein's weapons of mass 
destruction or Osama Bin Laden... and there was no need to bug those people 
on the reconaissance office...

Cheers,

aife




Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Great how bush's daughter, the cocaine addict, isn't in jail, but this
man, who was deputized by the city of oakland to grow this marijuana,
is going to be in jail for 20 years. Bush himself was arrested for
DUI, I wish he was rotting in jail instead of ed.

Hold it...Bush's relationship with Cocaine is on a first name basis at 
least. What's this about him as Governer of Texas flying the same plane that 
had supposedly moved the cocaine for the drugs-for-guns part of Iran Contra?

And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental 
DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly 
this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And 
I keep hearing there's video of that bust.)

Do some fishing around on http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html
and you'll eventually see the references.

OK, maybe it's conspiracy theory crapola, but when you start seeing a LONG 
list of dates/times/places, you begin to wonder that perhaps at least a 
subset is true.

-TD

PS: I personally think it would be a waste for that hot little coke slut to 
get locked away.








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Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-01 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote...


Silliness. The name cypherpunks was a pun on cyberpunks, a pun 
suggested by Jude Milhon, a woman writer for Mondo 2000 at the time.

Being that there is no body which decides what our group is called, or 
even that it _is_ a group, saying that someone's pun on top of someone 
else's pun means some political ideology attached to degenerates like Sid 
Vicious, the Dead Kennedy's, etc., is pure silliness.

Whether even cyberpunks had anything substantive to do with the so-called 
punk music scene is debatable, but cypherpunks certainly did not. The 
political ideology of all musical punks I have met is decidedly leftist, 
and not in the way libertarians often like. Rather, the leftists of British 
socialism, of American Democrat statists, and of Trotskyites in general.

Sometimes I keep asking myself if the author of statements like these is 
really pretending Guru-like to be clueless just to elicit a response.
But it's obvious here that whoever Tim May is he's just about clueless.

In the discussions about the meaning of the suffix -punk I don't remember 
seeing any suggestion that Cypherpunks had any connection politically or 
music-wise to punk music. The posts were meant to explore what 
quintessentially punk flavorings might be implied by the name or that may be 
reflected in the overall makeup of the list.

And yes, I was aware of where the term originated from, and it was clear to 
me that the intent of the naming was to imply a sort of anti-establishment 
don't give a crap we're going to code and unload crypto apps attitude.

And to some extent, the list (no, not a group, but a set of lists with the 
name cypherpunks) has aspects of that character. But it always pisses me off 
when I see the local jocks or other thoughtpolice come on out and enforce 
whatever ideology it is desired we bow down to.

Hmmm...a song lyric comes to mind...

If you've come to fight, get outa here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy

(From Nazi Punks Fuck Off by the Dead Kennedys)





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RE: Encrypted hard drive enclosure for $139

2003-02-01 Thread Lucky Green
Declan wrote:
 http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php?products_id=331
 http://www.del 
 trontech.com/Enclosure/E3S/E3S.htm
 
 Interesting, but I'm confused about the Real-time 64-bit/ 
 40-bit DES (Data 
 Encryption Standard) Encryption/ Decryption with throughput 
 of 712Mbit/ sec
 
 Does anyone know about a stronger version of a similar device?

This looks very similar to the dLock device.
http://www.enovatek.com.tw/realtime-hd.htm

Perhaps they are using the same ASIC? If so, the product is pure crap.
Based on conversations that I had with the booth staff at the last RSA
conference, the dLock employs DES and 3DES in ECB mode. Meaning the
ciphertext on disk can be broken with the most trivial of cryptanalysis.

--Lucky




Re: Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-01 Thread Thomas Shaddack

 One of the current theories floating around has to do with a piece of debris
 that flew off the booster rocket during take-off and collided with the left
 wing (where the problems began). The video of the take-off was reviewed in
 great detail and it was determined that it was innocent, considering the
 proximity of the problems and the debris there appears to be at least
 something worth investigating.

According to Slashdot, the ground control started to lose data from
shuttle's sensors; first from the back of the left wing, then spreading
forward, then all the shuttle went dead. Sounds like a structural damage.
The takeoff damage could've been a contributing factor; one single
slightly loosened tile can be deadly in such speeds.

I just hope they won't mothball the ISS...





Re: Who owns stuff that falls onto someone's property?

2003-02-01 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:01 PM 2/1/2003 -0600, John Bethencourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 12:31:16PM -0800, Tim May wrote:

 Expect the first EBay auctions of debris from the Columbia to be a
 constitutional issue soon. (Actually, the censors at fascist EBay have
 probably already flagged any transactions which mention space shuttle
 and Columbia to be illegal thoughtcrime sales.)

Yep, ebay has already removed such auctions, e.g., item #2156954390,
`SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA PIECE OF WRECKAGE PART'.


Perhaps this is an opportunity for competitive, even offshore, auction 
sites to take the fore.

http://www.goldbarter.com uses  e-gold.

steve