Re: Speaking of Reason
On Dec 9, 2003, at 8:46 PM, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:57, Eric Murray wrote: Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) Shit, mine too. I really don't get what's happened to Tim. He used to be a great resource. Now he's even forgotten how to troll well. Good riddance. You've never contributed an iota to this list. --Tim May
Type III Anonymous message
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext Tim, I AM GETTING TIRED OF SEEING CYPHERPUNKS RESTRICTING WHAT INFORMATION FLOWS AND TO WHERE IT FLOWS... -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
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Hello I'm curious. You say the list got some 400+ members right now and that's only the lne node too. Can you provide some statistics on the users? How many addresses are .gov? Any valid TLA addresses in there?!
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Re: Speaking of Reason
At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote: I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above. Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Speaking of Reason
In a message dated 12/9/2003 6:12:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for you, Gaylor, you subscribe for a while, contribute nothing, vanish from the list for a couple of years, then resubscribe and immediately start ranting that I am not doing enough for the cause. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. It's interesting to note you keep track of subscription patterns. Fuck you dead, hmmm, I suppose that's better then your old refrain of threatening to shoot someone. Do you feel self-censored, afraid of the authorities, or just don't want to get your got.net account yanked? My point about Reason Magazine is your inability to understand that the magazine has improved. Regards, Matt-
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a different HTML template. The WH only wants the master copy indexed and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent weirdness in robots.txt. I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for diff purposes just in case. -Declan On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Re: Speaking of Reason
In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. Veridian, my ass. My thoughts exactly. Regards, Matt-
Re: Speaking of Reason
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:26:22AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure). -- avva
Tim May is Free!
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. I dunno...sometimes his racism and child-killing and fuck them deads seem to be fairly logical consequences of his basic philosophies. In fact, Tim May can only be truly free after every other human being in the world is dead... (Fade to wavy fluctuations of the visual field) The time is 2023, and Tim May finally figures out how to release a plague of nanobots that kill every human being in the world but himself. Now we see Tim May driving a Hummer over the rolling hills of No Cal, on his weekly excursion to view the piles of dead bodies on the outskirts of San Fransisco. He stops by a 7-11, picking up some supplies, and tosses a handful of pennies onto the counter, in front of the skeleton of the counter boy. That's what the market can bare, my friend, and then some, he says with a sly grin. Arriving at the outskirts of San Fransisco he drives up to a tall hill, where some bodies are visible in the foreground, and downtown San Fransisco is visible in the distance. Complete silence pervades. Raising his fist in the air he shouts at the top of his lungs: SODOMITES! NEGROS! STATISTS! BOLSHIES! I'M FREE, DO YOU HEAR ME! FREE! Today he needs to re-gas the small powerplant that keeps his server farm alive. He decided to open his own Cypherpunks node, to which he posts on a regular basis. He's been issuing a stream of posts on Darwinian Implications of Humanocide, and on how Darwinian evolution will eventually create a species much more advanced and free than the one he killed off. -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speaking of Reason Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:26:22 -0500 At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote: I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above. Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
I really would expect that preventing *spiders* (some spiders, even) using the *publicly accessible* robots.txt would be a pretty horribly ineffective form of skullduggery... can think of 10 things to do that are easier, more effective and less of a potential pr fiasco... see http://shock-awe.info/archive/000965.php FB` From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a different HTML template. The WH only wants the master copy indexed and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent weirdness in robots.txt. I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for diff purposes just in case. -Declan On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Re: Speaking of Reason
At 3:58 PM +0200 12/10/03, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure). Yup. On both counts. :-). Seriously, in IM, like AIM, for instance, you can do that kind of thing already. Well, you can not appear on someone's buddy list as logged on, anyway, but you get the same result, since it's P2P, and they can't talk to you if they can't see you. As for getting into someone's killfile on purpose, I leave that as an exercise for the reader. As a famous commie utopian sang once it's easy if you try... Of course, if you Imagine in one hand, and shit in the other, it's easy to see what you have more of... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: (No Subject)
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:20:20PM -0600, Declan McCullagh wrote: We have anonymity in Web browsing (more or less, thanks to Lance co). It's not NSA-proof, but it's probably subpoena-proof. We have anonymity in email thanks to remailers (to the extent they're still around). We have anonymity in publishing, and to some extent, document retrieval, thanks to Freenet. We have anonymity in one-way communications/dead drops thanks to remailers gatewayed to Usenet newsgroups (if any still even do that). alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic. Google Groups says they have a bit more than 200 messages in it on December 9, for example. I assume nearly all of it is from remailers posting to Usenet (or remailers sending mail to mail2news gateways), otherwise there's little point of using it. -- avva
Re: (No Subject)
-- On 9 Dec 2003 at 0:47, edo wrote: What I'm curious about is digital currencies. Can anyone speak about the Digital Monetary Trust or DMT? I'm sorry I have not read the last upteen years of mail archives, but I'm interested in what people think NOW about Orlin Grabbe, DMT, e-gold etc. An e-gold account is a gold demoninated, offshore account. Same for Pecunix, which has been more recently audited, has better security provisions -- it provides for PGP based login, etc. It is less widely accepted than e-gold, but provides a better deal. Did I mention it has been more recently audited. And just in case you missed it, e-gold has not been audited for a while. None of these accounts provide Chaumian anonymity, which means they can track identity, which means they must track identity, which costs them. However one can withdraw, and deposit, physical gold, which actually is anonymous, and provides a physical mix, since one gold atom looks very like another. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG gFHr0U97wM1IeLX9SRCadMi2qoG+8FaaFXSdMlnB 41xSX7dI0Au/V2pVkuLX2tYRDvsRZ76g3jqqc7NYe
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: SNIP In austin powers, they make the spy sound sixties by depicting him as expecting the victory of the Soviet Union, and perhaps rather favoring that outcome. If they had him quote Ayn Rand, he would not have sounded sixties. When the mass media want to cash in on nostalgia for the sixties and early seventies, it is the young commies they remember. That's because the sixties commies sold out as quickly as they could when they were no longer threatened with compulsory military service. The sixties commies are the worst of the how much is enough crowd out there whipping slave kids harder to make more nikes and gap clothing. The folks doing the heinlen/randian ranting haven't sold out yet.
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Re: Speaking of Reason
-- On 9 Dec 2003 at 23:44, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 3:59 PM -0500 12/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. Veridian, my ass. Veridian green is entryist, not commie. The watermelons would perceive it as right entryist, or libertarian entryist. The standard green viewpoint is that if socialism retarded the advance of technology and lowered everyone's standard of living, that is actually a good thing. The Veridian green viewpoint is pro capitalist, and pro progress. As living standards rise, we are going to spend more on intangibles and natural beauty, and the interesting question is how to do this in a capitalist, hi-tech, framework. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG epHuXfKEnvIeemvmqgSFKseszn18SOm2XFpS1gtE 4dfA1f4lhc/Li4gceOzMvAQ8PDBLWJdfsG1+aFlm0
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Re: Has this photo been de-stegoed?
Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2003-12-08: Is it possible to determine that the photo 'originally' (ie, when it was sent to me) contained stegoed information, but that it was intercepted in transit and the real message overwritten with noise or whatever? Hardly, given the simple fact that well-encrypted content is indistinguishable from noise.
Re: Has this photo been de-stegoed?
Well, that sounds reasonable on the face of it, but there's got to be a lot more discussion before I'm convinced. Remember that psuedorandom or encrypted data has a certain noise spectrum. This noise spectrum is extremely different based on what PRBS one is using...PRBS 2^23-1 looks completely different from other 'noise' (and remember noise is a relative term). If you spatially fft a random photo, you'll find that the image detail energy largely occupies certain bands. These are not the bands that stego uses (or so I assume...it really can't be otherwise). The stego-able spectrum will indeed be noise, but this noise will have a certain spectrum. Stego, done well, will I assume try to mimic this noise, but there may be problems. If the message is encrypted, then merely loading that message into the photo will, I assume, NOT result in a noise spectrum that looks like real noise. So you'll need some kind of chopper or spectrum-spreader I guess. If no chopper's used, however, I'm guessing that stego-ed 'noise' doesn't look like true photo noise. If the photo has been de-stegoed stupidly (ie, by writing a random message in its place), that noise won't look like photo noise. So it seems to me that you'd need a sophisticated agent to make the de-steoed photo look like it never had stego. In other words, if the FBI are your man-in-the-middle, then you'll be able to detect that the photo was de-stegoed. If the NSA is your man-in-the-middle, you might not be able to tell. Any of you TLA lurkers wanna come in on a remailer and set me straight? -TD From: A.Melon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has this photo been de-stegoed? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:28:31 -0800 (PST) Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2003-12-08: Is it possible to determine that the photo 'originally' (ie, when it was sent to me) contained stegoed information, but that it was intercepted in transit and the real message overwritten with noise or whatever? Hardly, given the simple fact that well-encrypted content is indistinguishable from noise. _ Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
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ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
At 10:37 AM 12/10/2003, James A. Donald wrote: -- On 9 Dec 2003 at 0:47, edo wrote: What I'm curious about is digital currencies. Can anyone speak about the Digital Monetary Trust or DMT? I'm sorry I have not read the last upteen years of mail archives, but I'm interested in what people think NOW about Orlin Grabbe, DMT, e-gold etc. ...snip.. None of these accounts provide Chaumian anonymity, which means they can track identity, which means they must track identity, which costs them. However one can withdraw, and deposit, physical gold, which actually is anonymous, and provides a physical mix, since one gold atom looks very like another. E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification, so if you use an effective proxying means (e.g., an open Wi-Fi hotspot) to create and access your accounts you are pretty safe. If you fund you accounts using money orders, you may be safe (depending on whether you've employed others to purchase the money orders or your physical identity is being captured at the money order agent during the transaction). Although ALTA/DMT doesn't support blinded tokens, it does support tokens. http://www.orlingrabbe.com/dmt_bearercert.htm ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. This means if value is transferred from account A to Account B and subsequently Account A is deleted all traces of the transaction should be unlinked from Account B. It also means if you delete an account with a balance, accidently or otherwise, the money is gone. Two e-gold exchange agents have announced either formally or informally that they will now transact with ALTA/DMT. I beleive thay both accept money orders for fuding. Money can be withdrawn using e-gold and/or ATM cards either directly supporting ALTA/DMT (https://www.liquidprivacy.net/) or e-gold.
alt.anonymous.messages
-- On 10 Dec 2003 at 18:22, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic. Google Groups says they have a bit more than 200 messages in it on December 9, for example. I assume nearly all of it is from remailers posting to Usenet (or remailers sending mail to mail2news gateways), otherwise there's little point of using it. You do not need to use remailers to take advantage of alt.anonymous.messages. If someone posts directly to alt.anonymous. messages, still the adversary cannot tell who he is posting to. (Assuming his recipient sets his newsagent to always download all new messages) --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG zMY49IWQvar+nBxNmFDbRihngyDWi30UIYQY9NAh 4rVDPJdqGIjPUeycOPjbn3AbW2+7fZ0HFzy2xQEeX
Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
-- On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification, so if you use an effective proxying means (e.g., an open Wi-Fi hotspot) to create and access your accounts you are pretty safe. If you fund you accounts using money orders, you may be safe (depending on whether you've employed others to purchase the money orders or your physical identity is being captured at the money order agent during the transaction). Some people offer a cash to e-gold service. Deposit a bundle of notes in their account, they will sell you e-gold. You use the low order bits of the amount as an ID. Deposit small used notes in the US, withdraw gold in asia. ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. Trust us. Would we lie to you? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 9P+3EaOU5V9RRtuNGi0n0/2XlM5S3RxLGzOoIMh7 4Imw9MND4w22DnR2n6tOp834DoLrSedKMdIsQGxwn
Re: alt.anonymous.messages
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:07:33PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: -- On 10 Dec 2003 at 18:22, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic. Google Groups says they have a bit more than 200 messages in it on December 9, for example. I assume nearly all of it is from remailers posting to Usenet (or remailers sending mail to mail2news gateways), otherwise there's little point of using it. You do not need to use remailers to take advantage of alt.anonymous.messages. If someone posts directly to alt.anonymous. messages, still the adversary cannot tell who he is posting to. (Assuming his recipient sets his newsagent to always download all new messages) Oh, that's true of course; but the adversary would be able to know that you posted something (given that he's monitoring your traffic). That's already something, and frequently more than you'd want to give away. I did inspect a few random messages and they all came from remailers. -- avva
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Re: alt.anonymous.messages
From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] You do not need to use remailers to take advantage of alt.anonymous.messages. If someone posts directly to alt.anonymous. messages, still the adversary cannot tell who he is posting to. (Assuming his recipient sets his newsagent to always download all new messages) Or access Usenet via a satellite feed.
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Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
Original Message From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apparently from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)] Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:13:59 -0800 -- On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you fund you accounts using money orders, you may be safe (depending on whether you've employed others to purchase the money orders or your physical identity is being captured at the money order agent during the transaction). Some people offer a cash to e-gold service. Though this is mostly discovered through direct communications, for obvious reasons. Deposit a bundle of notes in their account, they will sell you e-gold. You use the low order bits of the amount as an ID. Others have used the serial number of one of the bills submitted (e.g., the one highlighted with a yellow marker). ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. Trust us. Would we lie to you? This info was obtained from discussions with the developers, experiments with the system and examination of the code.
Re: alt.anonymous.messages
Original Message From: Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] You do not need to use remailers to take advantage of alt.anonymous.messages. If someone posts directly to alt.anonymous. messages, still the adversary cannot tell who he is posting to. (Assuming his recipient sets his newsagent to always download all new messages) Oh, that's true of course; but the adversary would be able to know that you posted something (given that he's monitoring your traffic). That's already something, and frequently more than you'd want to give away. Use your laptop and random open Wi-Fi hotspots (esp. a consumer's) for such sensitive communication.
Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification Unfortunately, they also don't due much if any due diligence in identifying themselves in messages to real or potential customers, so it's extremely difficult to determine if I've gotten any administrative messages that really _were_ from them as opposed to the N fraudsters sending out mail asking you to log in to e-g0ld.com or whatever fake page lets them steal your egold account number and password so they can drain your balance. A policy of PGP-signing all their messages using a key that's published on their web pages would be a good start, though it's still possible to trick some fraction of people into accepting the wrong keys. For now, my basic assumption is that any communications I receive that purport to be from them are a fraud, and it's frustrating that there's no good mechanism for reporting that to e-gold. At 07:08 PM 12/10/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:13:59 -0800 On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. Trust us. Would we lie to you? This info was obtained from discussions with the developers, experiments with the system and examination of the code. You can't tell if the code you're examining is the real code, or whether it will continue to be the real code in the future. You can't tell if the system is making backups of its databases. You can't tell if the experiments you're making with their system are really detecting that there's no information stored, or merely that it's not telling _you_ where they stored it. You can't tell if they're stashing session keys somewhere for the Echelon folks to correlate with their wiretap data. You can't distinguish whether any system is sufficiently advanced or merely a rigged demo, nor can you tell which one this system is. You can't tell from discussions with the developers whether they're lying to you, at least unless they're bad at it. You can't tell from experiments with the system that did in fact pay you the money that they should have whether they'll always do so in the future. You can't tell from extremely detailed experiments where they give you the root passwords to all their machines and let you watch the bits go in and out whether all future transactions will be handled the same way or whether they're just stringing you along until there's enough real money in the system or enough money from real suspects that the owners or various monkeys on their back want to rip off or rat out. You're back to trusting them. I don't know them, so I don't know if they're trustable, but there are people in this business who are, as well as others who aren't. You can tell whether you've given them any real information, and if the system doesn't collect it, it can't rat you out. But otherwise, it's basically trust.
Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
Original Message From: Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification Unfortunately, they also don't due much if any due diligence in identifying themselves in messages to real or potential customers, so it's extremely difficult to determine if I've gotten any administrative messages that really _were_ from them as opposed to the N fraudsters sending out mail asking you to - log in to e-g0ld.com or whatever fake page lets them steal your egold account number and password so they can drain your balance. Actually they do. Sort of at http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/alert.html - Never click hypertext links in HTML formatted e-mail to access your account. - Confirm that you are on the e-gold website before entering your e-gold passphrase into either a logon form or a payment authorization form (see note below about e-gold shopping cart interface): - Verify the address/location/URL starts with: https://www.e-gold.com/ - Verify that the site certificate is issued by VeriSign to www.e-gold.com A policy of PGP-signing all their messages using a key that's published on their web pages would be a good start, though it's still possible to trick some fraction of people into accepting the wrong keys. Too few customers would know what to do with such a key. For now, my basic assumption is that any communications I receive that purport to be from them are a fraud, and it's frustrating that there's no good mechanism for reporting that to e-gold. They know about most of the fraudulent emails circulating. They don't want to hear about them from customers because it would exhaust what customer service resources they have. I have never received an email from e-gold following my account creation confirmation and I beleive its their policy not to send emails for just this reason.
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Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
On Dec 10, 2003, at 6:20 PM, Bill Stewart wrote: On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification Unfortunately, they also don't due much if any due diligence in identifying themselves in messages to real or potential customers, so it's extremely difficult to determine if I've gotten any administrative messages that really _were_ from them as opposed to the N fraudsters sending out mail asking you to log in to e-g0ld.com or whatever fake page lets them steal your egold account number and password so they can drain your balance. A policy of PGP-signing all their messages using a key that's published on their web pages would be a good start, though it's still possible to trick some fraction of people into accepting the wrong keys. For now, my basic assumption is that any communications I receive that purport to be from them are a fraud, and it's frustrating that there's no good mechanism for reporting that to e-gold. I receive several messages a month saying I need to re-verify information with an E-gold account (which I never recall establishing, by the way). If I ever determine that E-Gold personnel have faked an account on my behalf, or are complicit in any way with stealing from me, I will of course think that killing their children, their parents, and them is moral. E-gold was never even slightly interesting to me for reasons I talked about a few years ago--the notion that a bar of gold moving between shelves in someone's hotel room in Barbados or Guyana or wherever is equivalent to untraceability is silly Randroid idol-worship raised to the fourth power. The scandals reported--and not meaniingfully rebutted--several years ago confirm to me the whole thing is some Randroid fantasy built on sand. --Tim May --Tim May Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering.-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001
Re: (No Subject)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:47:27AM +0100, edo wrote: With the USA becoming the world's most totalitarian state in disguise... That's a pretty silly thing to say. Sure you don't want to educate yourself on those other states in the world? It's not silly at all: look again. He said becoming. And it is. Fast. It's *long* past time for the inhabitants here to have taken up arms and blown holes in a *lot* of Federal heads. Just a few hundred dead federal goons, spread over a relatively short period (~6 months), where the attacks were obviously coordinated, made against officers enforcing particularly rancid unconstitutional laws (say the federal tax code), and without discoverable perpetrators, would result in an almost instantaneous shortage of officers available to enforce such uncontitutional laws - the survivors would simply refuse. Long fucking overdue. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Father, you are a great and mighty God. Help our governments to remember the lessons of our history and to appreciate the purpose of your son Jesus. Teach our representatives not to be so arrogant as to speak in one way, but doing another, for surely this not the way of truth. Help us to understand that your will is not death but life, not the darkness of hatred but the light of friendship in Christ. In the name of Jesus we pray. Amen. Merle Harton, Jr.
Re: (No Subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10-Dec-03, at 11:10 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: Just a few hundred dead federal goons, spread over a relatively short period (~6 months), where the attacks were obviously coordinated, made against officers enforcing particularly rancid unconstitutional laws (say the federal tax code), and without discoverable perpetrators, would result in an almost instantaneous shortage of officers available to enforce such uncontitutional laws - the survivors would simply refuse. Long fucking overdue. Of course the little thing you are overlooking is that if this would happen the Spinmeisters would manage to turn it into another terrorist treat (which in a strict sense it is) and yank even more civil rights. And knowing the majority of people: they just happily go along. Or differently: This would backfire Badly. - -- Michael On the internet, no one can see the meds you take. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBP9f1N2lCnxcrW2uuEQIhdgCffEQLxYuHw5uUsUNWOiGcbksx/1EAoInz XvbIEIQ6YfSU34g/xsRT+OnU =wON0 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
In a message dated 12/10/2003 10:34:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I receive several messages a month saying I need to re-verify information with an E-gold account (which I never recall establishing, by the way). If I ever determine that E-Gold personnel have faked an account on my behalf, You're a moron Tim. Everybody here probably gets the scammers messages, I get e-gold and paypal cons on regular basis- E-gold never advertised itself as anything other than what it is, a bailee. What e-gold is really good is for is micropayments and I have personally found it good for making payments internationally. I know the principals involved, and I've personally viewed one of their vaults and the gold, etc. is really there. Regards, Matt-
Re: Speaking of Reason
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 08:26:22AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure). -- avva
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-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext Tim, I AM GETTING TIRED OF SEEING CYPHERPUNKS RESTRICTING WHAT INFORMATION FLOWS AND TO WHERE IT FLOWS... -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Re: Speaking of Reason
On Dec 9, 2003, at 8:46 PM, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:57, Eric Murray wrote: Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) Shit, mine too. I really don't get what's happened to Tim. He used to be a great resource. Now he's even forgotten how to troll well. Good riddance. You've never contributed an iota to this list. --Tim May
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a different HTML template. The WH only wants the master copy indexed and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent weirdness in robots.txt. I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for diff purposes just in case. -Declan On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Re: Speaking of Reason
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 19:57, Eric Murray wrote: Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) Shit, mine too. I really don't get what's happened to Tim. He used to be a great resource. Now he's even forgotten how to troll well. shrug
Re: Speaking of Reason
At 3:58 PM +0200 12/10/03, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: So what you're saying is that we need a remote-plonk mechanism to insert oneself into another person's killfile (merely entertaining this thought makes me a loathsome Bolshie, I'm sure). Yup. On both counts. :-). Seriously, in IM, like AIM, for instance, you can do that kind of thing already. Well, you can not appear on someone's buddy list as logged on, anyway, but you get the same result, since it's P2P, and they can't talk to you if they can't see you. As for getting into someone's killfile on purpose, I leave that as an exercise for the reader. As a famous commie utopian sang once it's easy if you try... Of course, if you Imagine in one hand, and shit in the other, it's easy to see what you have more of... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Got.net and its narcing out of its customers
At 10:07 PM 12/9/2003 +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: He was just trolling, being intentionally vague so that they'd assume he was copying from one DVD to another. Which they did, and which they raved about. Tim? Trolling? No, they'd yank his Ontology license if he did that (and yes, someone already threatened to try that Santa Cruz liberals seem to have as bad a problem with jerking knees as the police state folks do.)
Re: Speaking of Reason
In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. Veridian, my ass. My thoughts exactly. Regards, Matt-
Re: Speaking of Reason
At 3:59 PM -0500 12/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. Veridian, my ass. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: Speaking of Reason
At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote: I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above. Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: (No Subject)
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:20:20PM -0600, Declan McCullagh wrote: We have anonymity in Web browsing (more or less, thanks to Lance co). It's not NSA-proof, but it's probably subpoena-proof. We have anonymity in email thanks to remailers (to the extent they're still around). We have anonymity in publishing, and to some extent, document retrieval, thanks to Freenet. We have anonymity in one-way communications/dead drops thanks to remailers gatewayed to Usenet newsgroups (if any still even do that). alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic. Google Groups says they have a bit more than 200 messages in it on December 9, for example. I assume nearly all of it is from remailers posting to Usenet (or remailers sending mail to mail2news gateways), otherwise there's little point of using it. -- avva
Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt
I really would expect that preventing *spiders* (some spiders, even) using the *publicly accessible* robots.txt would be a pretty horribly ineffective form of skullduggery... can think of 10 things to do that are easier, more effective and less of a potential pr fiasco... see http://shock-awe.info/archive/000965.php FB` From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: whitehouse.gov/robots.txt This robots.txt issue was exaggerated by leftist crtitics of the administration. (This is not a general defense of the White House, just a statement of fact.) The Bush WH.gov server has a special Iraq section where press releases, speeches, etc. are reposted in a different HTML template. The WH only wants the master copy indexed and not the duplicate copy in the second template. Hence the apparent weirdness in robots.txt. I have not found any skullduggery going on, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to keep a copy of the Iraq section for diff purposes just in case. -Declan On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:59:07PM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:56:24PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Can somebody with a webspider crawl these documents, and put it up on the web? http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt All or nearly all of them are duplicates of same documents elsewhere in the directory tree; X/text/ and X/iraq/ are supposed to be copies of X/, with images removed in the first case. I suspect that downloading them all would just confirm that. -- avva
Tim May is Free!
I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. I dunno...sometimes his racism and child-killing and fuck them deads seem to be fairly logical consequences of his basic philosophies. In fact, Tim May can only be truly free after every other human being in the world is dead... (Fade to wavy fluctuations of the visual field) The time is 2023, and Tim May finally figures out how to release a plague of nanobots that kill every human being in the world but himself. Now we see Tim May driving a Hummer over the rolling hills of No Cal, on his weekly excursion to view the piles of dead bodies on the outskirts of San Fransisco. He stops by a 7-11, picking up some supplies, and tosses a handful of pennies onto the counter, in front of the skeleton of the counter boy. That's what the market can bare, my friend, and then some, he says with a sly grin. Arriving at the outskirts of San Fransisco he drives up to a tall hill, where some bodies are visible in the foreground, and downtown San Fransisco is visible in the distance. Complete silence pervades. Raising his fist in the air he shouts at the top of his lungs: SODOMITES! NEGROS! STATISTS! BOLSHIES! I'M FREE, DO YOU HEAR ME! FREE! Today he needs to re-gas the small powerplant that keeps his server farm alive. He decided to open his own Cypherpunks node, to which he posts on a regular basis. He's been issuing a stream of posts on Darwinian Implications of Humanocide, and on how Darwinian evolution will eventually create a species much more advanced and free than the one he killed off. -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speaking of Reason Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:26:22 -0500 At 4:57 PM -0800 12/9/03, Eric Murray wrote: I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny. On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe. When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim near the keyboard very often. Fuck you dead. Fuck all of you Bolshies dead. Ok, bye! plonk Eric (just to make it crystal clear, Tim's going in my _personal_ killfile) To quote a famous flying squirrel, that trick never works. Tried it myself a few times over the years, and one usually misses too much of what this list is for, as you noted yourself, above. Unfortunately, if you want to read Tim, you have to read his evil twin Skippy, too. Living in *his* killfile, on the other hand, and if he actually uses it, can be useful. Try it, you'll like it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
Codecon 2004 CFP - Just a few days left
CodeCon 3.0 February 20-22, 2004 San Francisco CA, USA www.codecon.org Call For Papers CodeCon is the premier showcase of active hacker projects. It is an excellent opportunity for developers to demonstrate their work and keep abreast of what's going on in their community. All presentations must include working demonstrations, ideally open source. Presenters must be one of the active developers of the code in question. We emphasize that demonstrations be of *working* code. CodeCon strongly encourages presenters from non-commercial and academic backgrounds to attend for the purposes of collaboration and the sharing of knowledge by providing free registration to workshop presenters and discounted registration to full-time students. We hereby solicit papers and demonstrations. * Papers and proposals due: December 15, 2003 * Authors notified: January 1, 2004 Possible topics include, but are by no means restricted to: * community-based web sites - forums, weblogs, personals * development tools - languages, debuggers, version control * file sharing systems - swarming distribution, distributed search * security products - mail encryption, intrusion detection, firewalls Presentations will be a 45 minutes long, with 15 minutes allocated for QA. Overruns will be truncated. Submission details: Submissions are being accepted immediately. Acceptance dates are November 15, and December 15. After the first acceptance date, submissions will be either accepted, rejected, or deferred to the second acceptance date. The conference language is English. Ideally, demonstrations should be usable by attendees with 802.11b connected devices either via a web interface, or locally on Windows, UNIX-like, or MacOS platforms. Cross-platform applications are most desirable. Our venue will be 21+. If you have a specific day on which you would prefer to present, please advise us. To submit, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including the following information: * Project name * url of project home page * tagline - one sentence or less summing up what the project does * names of presenter(s) and urls of their home pages, if they have any * one-paragraph bios of presenters (optional) * project history, no more than a few sentences * what will be done in the project demo * major achievement(s) so far * claim(s) to fame, if any * future plans Program Chair: Bram Cohen General Chair: Len Sassaman Program Committee: * Bram Cohen * Len Sassaman * Jonathan Moore * Jered Floyd * Brandon Wiley * Jeremy Bornstein Sponsorship: If your organization is interested in sponsoring CodeCon, we would love to hear from you. In particular, we are looking for sponsors for social meals and parties on any of the three days of the conference, as well as sponsors of the conference as a whole, prizes or awards for quality presentations, scholarships for qualified applicants, and assistance with transportation or accommodation for presenters with limited resources. If you might be interested in sponsoring any of these aspects, please contact the conference organizers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press policy: CodeCon strives to be a conference for developers, with strong audience participation. As such, we need to limit the number of complimentary passes for non-developer attendees. Press passes are limited to one pass per publication, and must be approved prior to the registration deadline (to be announced later). If you are a member of the press, and interested in covering CodeCon, please contact us early by sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Members of the press who do not receive press-passes are welcome to participate as regular conference attendees. Questions: If you have questions about CodeCon, or would like to contact the organizers, please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note this address is only for questions and administrative requests, and not for workshop presentation submissions.
Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: SNIP In austin powers, they make the spy sound sixties by depicting him as expecting the victory of the Soviet Union, and perhaps rather favoring that outcome. If they had him quote Ayn Rand, he would not have sounded sixties. When the mass media want to cash in on nostalgia for the sixties and early seventies, it is the young commies they remember. That's because the sixties commies sold out as quickly as they could when they were no longer threatened with compulsory military service. The sixties commies are the worst of the how much is enough crowd out there whipping slave kids harder to make more nikes and gap clothing. The folks doing the heinlen/randian ranting haven't sold out yet.
Re: (No Subject)
-- On 9 Dec 2003 at 0:47, edo wrote: What I'm curious about is digital currencies. Can anyone speak about the Digital Monetary Trust or DMT? I'm sorry I have not read the last upteen years of mail archives, but I'm interested in what people think NOW about Orlin Grabbe, DMT, e-gold etc. An e-gold account is a gold demoninated, offshore account. Same for Pecunix, which has been more recently audited, has better security provisions -- it provides for PGP based login, etc. It is less widely accepted than e-gold, but provides a better deal. Did I mention it has been more recently audited. And just in case you missed it, e-gold has not been audited for a while. None of these accounts provide Chaumian anonymity, which means they can track identity, which means they must track identity, which costs them. However one can withdraw, and deposit, physical gold, which actually is anonymous, and provides a physical mix, since one gold atom looks very like another. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG gFHr0U97wM1IeLX9SRCadMi2qoG+8FaaFXSdMlnB 41xSX7dI0Au/V2pVkuLX2tYRDvsRZ76g3jqqc7NYe
ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
At 10:37 AM 12/10/2003, James A. Donald wrote: -- On 9 Dec 2003 at 0:47, edo wrote: What I'm curious about is digital currencies. Can anyone speak about the Digital Monetary Trust or DMT? I'm sorry I have not read the last upteen years of mail archives, but I'm interested in what people think NOW about Orlin Grabbe, DMT, e-gold etc. ..snip.. None of these accounts provide Chaumian anonymity, which means they can track identity, which means they must track identity, which costs them. However one can withdraw, and deposit, physical gold, which actually is anonymous, and provides a physical mix, since one gold atom looks very like another. E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification, so if you use an effective proxying means (e.g., an open Wi-Fi hotspot) to create and access your accounts you are pretty safe. If you fund you accounts using money orders, you may be safe (depending on whether you've employed others to purchase the money orders or your physical identity is being captured at the money order agent during the transaction). Although ALTA/DMT doesn't support blinded tokens, it does support tokens. http://www.orlingrabbe.com/dmt_bearercert.htm ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. This means if value is transferred from account A to Account B and subsequently Account A is deleted all traces of the transaction should be unlinked from Account B. It also means if you delete an account with a balance, accidently or otherwise, the money is gone. Two e-gold exchange agents have announced either formally or informally that they will now transact with ALTA/DMT. I beleive thay both accept money orders for fuding. Money can be withdrawn using e-gold and/or ATM cards either directly supporting ALTA/DMT (https://www.liquidprivacy.net/) or e-gold.
Re: Speaking of Reason
-- On 9 Dec 2003 at 23:44, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 3:59 PM -0500 12/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cybergreen: Bruce Sterling Green = Red. Bruce Sterling is, for all intents and purposes, a commie. Veridian, my ass. Veridian green is entryist, not commie. The watermelons would perceive it as right entryist, or libertarian entryist. The standard green viewpoint is that if socialism retarded the advance of technology and lowered everyone's standard of living, that is actually a good thing. The Veridian green viewpoint is pro capitalist, and pro progress. As living standards rise, we are going to spend more on intangibles and natural beauty, and the interesting question is how to do this in a capitalist, hi-tech, framework. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG epHuXfKEnvIeemvmqgSFKseszn18SOm2XFpS1gtE 4dfA1f4lhc/Li4gceOzMvAQ8PDBLWJdfsG1+aFlm0
alt.anonymous.messages
-- On 10 Dec 2003 at 18:22, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic. Google Groups says they have a bit more than 200 messages in it on December 9, for example. I assume nearly all of it is from remailers posting to Usenet (or remailers sending mail to mail2news gateways), otherwise there's little point of using it. You do not need to use remailers to take advantage of alt.anonymous.messages. If someone posts directly to alt.anonymous. messages, still the adversary cannot tell who he is posting to. (Assuming his recipient sets his newsagent to always download all new messages) --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG zMY49IWQvar+nBxNmFDbRihngyDWi30UIYQY9NAh 4rVDPJdqGIjPUeycOPjbn3AbW2+7fZ0HFzy2xQEeX
Re: ALTA/DMT privacy [was: Re: (No Subject)]
-- On 10 Dec 2003 at 15:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-gold and other DGCs do not do much if any due diligence in checking account holder identification, so if you use an effective proxying means (e.g., an open Wi-Fi hotspot) to create and access your accounts you are pretty safe. If you fund you accounts using money orders, you may be safe (depending on whether you've employed others to purchase the money orders or your physical identity is being captured at the money order agent during the transaction). Some people offer a cash to e-gold service. Deposit a bundle of notes in their account, they will sell you e-gold. You use the low order bits of the amount as an ID. Deposit small used notes in the US, withdraw gold in asia. ALTA/DMT does have a certain degree of un-linkability in that once accounts are deleted all db references in the system to that account are also deleted from all ALTA/DMT dbs. Trust us. Would we lie to you? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 9P+3EaOU5V9RRtuNGi0n0/2XlM5S3RxLGzOoIMh7 4Imw9MND4w22DnR2n6tOp834DoLrSedKMdIsQGxwn
Re: Has this photo been de-stegoed?
Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2003-12-08: Is it possible to determine that the photo 'originally' (ie, when it was sent to me) contained stegoed information, but that it was intercepted in transit and the real message overwritten with noise or whatever? Hardly, given the simple fact that well-encrypted content is indistinguishable from noise.
