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Actually, our group at Dartmouth has an NSF Trusted Computing grant to do this, using the IBM 4758 (probably with a different OS) as the hardware. We've been calling the project Marianas, since it involves a chain of islands. --Sean If only there were a technology in which clients could verify and yes, even trust, each other remotely. Some way in which a digital certificate on a program could actually be verified, perhaps by some kind of remote, trusted hardware device. This way you could know that a remote system was actually running a well-behaved client before admitting it to the net. This would protect Gnutella from not only the kind of opportunistic misbehavior seen today, but the future floods, attacks and DOSing which will be launched in earnest once the content companies get serious about taking this network down. -- Sean W. Smith, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sws/ (has ssl link to pgp key) Department of Computer Science, Dartmouth College, Hanover NH USA
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i guess it's appropriate that the world's deepest hole is next to something labelled a trust territory :) --Sean :)
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I strongly support your idea. Although it would even be more useful if you added: c) e-mail address user certs authenticated via confirmation message sent to the e-mail address being certified (as Lucky suggested) d) fully enable all certificates for all purposes, thereby allowing the certificate to sign code. I hope that you are able to implement this idea, as all efforts to increase the volume of encryption on the internet will ultimately increase privacy and show strong public support for cryptography in general. Curt --- Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I've been on this list before, but didn't have time for it for a while. Now I'm back because I need some input: ... Setting up apache so that it does HTTPS instead of HTTP, and all requests to HTTP pages are redirected to a page pointing to the HTTPS equivalent and explaining why is trivial. Getting the various MTAs to use SMTPS isn't too difficult, either. The problem with both is the need of SSL certificates. So I was thinking of setting up a Joe Doe's CA. A simple webpage where you can request a certificate. It would do two check: a) check if IP you are using is identical to the IP you are requesting for, i.e. you'll have to ssh into your webserver and use lynx from there. b) the certificate will be mailed to the admin-c of the domain you requested it for (whois lookup). This is not 100% secure, but then again how much checking does Verisign really do on certificates? I believe this is good enough in that it establishes a reasonable safety that you are talking to the right site, at least much better than regular HTTP can offer. The purpose of this is to get as many sites to switch to using HTTPS and SMTPS as possible. Therefore, the required work must be kept minimal. Once considerable parts of the internet traffic are encrypted, they can pass as many data retention laws as they please. Any comments? What did I miss? Where does this idea come apart? Does it make sense at all? = end eof . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
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I concur. The problem is that the most prevalent e-mail program (Outlook) requires no user intervention as a default when signing and/or encrypting a message with S/MIME. One can override the default to High Security (requiring password) only while the X.509 certificate is being installed. I also agree that alternative authorization mechanisms (or combination thereof) are entirely appropriate: smartcards, flashcards, biometric readers, magnetic strips, bar codes, etc. Different schemes will work provided the hardware is available and adequate authentication can be assured. Curt --- David Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Partially agreed - a user doesn't have to know *how* it works, but must have to take a positive step (eg, type in a password, answer yes to a are you really sure you want to do this message, that sort of thing) for it to be binding under most e-sig legislation. However, the law of contract assumes every dotted i and crossed t is read and fully understood to the full measure of the law. Enough people get caught out this way each year (they find the contract they signed isn't what they negotiated but (eg) binds them to a full term of service (say, two years) when they wanted a three month trial... There is a balance to be had here. it should be impossible for a random user to walk up to their powered off pc, power it on, then sign a document. It should be extremely difficult for a random user to walk up to a pc that has been left logged on (but which hasn't been used to sign documents for five minutes or so) and sign a document; it should be easy for the user to sign a large number of documents in rapid succession, without having to type in a complex password every single time. If this involves remembering the password for a specified idle time, or using a smartcard to auth (rather than a manual password or in addition) that the user can remove when he takes a coffee break then fine - but whatever you do must almost certainly use no other hardware than is already fitted to the machine, so a usb dongle could be ok for a home user but a credit-card style smartcard almost certainly won't be (although if anyone knows a decent floppy-adaptor for smartcards, I would love to know about it) = Curt end eof
Re: When encryption is also authentication...
I concur. The problem is that the most prevalent e-mail program (Outlook) requires no user intervention as a default when signing and/or encrypting a message with S/MIME. One can override the default to High Security (requiring password) only while the X.509 certificate is being installed. I also agree that alternative authorization mechanisms (or combination thereof) are entirely appropriate: smartcards, flashcards, biometric readers, magnetic strips, bar codes, etc. Different schemes will work provided the hardware is available and adequate authentication can be assured. Curt --- David Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Partially agreed - a user doesn't have to know *how* it works, but must have to take a positive step (eg, type in a password, answer yes to a are you really sure you want to do this message, that sort of thing) for it to be binding under most e-sig legislation. However, the law of contract assumes every dotted i and crossed t is read and fully understood to the full measure of the law. Enough people get caught out this way each year (they find the contract they signed isn't what they negotiated but (eg) binds them to a full term of service (say, two years) when they wanted a three month trial... There is a balance to be had here. it should be impossible for a random user to walk up to their powered off pc, power it on, then sign a document. It should be extremely difficult for a random user to walk up to a pc that has been left logged on (but which hasn't been used to sign documents for five minutes or so) and sign a document; it should be easy for the user to sign a large number of documents in rapid succession, without having to type in a complex password every single time. If this involves remembering the password for a specified idle time, or using a smartcard to auth (rather than a manual password or in addition) that the user can remove when he takes a coffee break then fine - but whatever you do must almost certainly use no other hardware than is already fitted to the machine, so a usb dongle could be ok for a home user but a credit-card style smartcard almost certainly won't be (although if anyone knows a decent floppy-adaptor for smartcards, I would love to know about it) = Curt end eof . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: When encryption is also authentication...
I concur. The problem is that the most prevalent e-mail program (Outlook) requires no user intervention as a default when signing and/or encrypting a message with S/MIME. One can override the default to High Security (requiring password) only while the X.509 certificate is being installed. I also agree that alternative authorization mechanisms (or combination thereof) are entirely appropriate: smartcards, flashcards, biometric readers, magnetic strips, bar codes, etc. Different schemes will work provided the hardware is available and adequate authentication can be assured. Curt --- David Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Partially agreed - a user doesn't have to know *how* it works, but must have to take a positive step (eg, type in a password, answer yes to a are you really sure you want to do this message, that sort of thing) for it to be binding under most e-sig legislation. However, the law of contract assumes every dotted i and crossed t is read and fully understood to the full measure of the law. Enough people get caught out this way each year (they find the contract they signed isn't what they negotiated but (eg) binds them to a full term of service (say, two years) when they wanted a three month trial... There is a balance to be had here. it should be impossible for a random user to walk up to their powered off pc, power it on, then sign a document. It should be extremely difficult for a random user to walk up to a pc that has been left logged on (but which hasn't been used to sign documents for five minutes or so) and sign a document; it should be easy for the user to sign a large number of documents in rapid succession, without having to type in a complex password every single time. If this involves remembering the password for a specified idle time, or using a smartcard to auth (rather than a manual password or in addition) that the user can remove when he takes a coffee break then fine - but whatever you do must almost certainly use no other hardware than is already fitted to the machine, so a usb dongle could be ok for a home user but a credit-card style smartcard almost certainly won't be (although if anyone knows a decent floppy-adaptor for smartcards, I would love to know about it) = Curt end eof
Key verification schemes...
(in response to a topic mentioned in various threads) I agree that neither CA-verification nor WoT-verification is as useful as Key Fingerprint-verification for secure communication between crypto-aware individuals. After all, CA's can be subverted and WoT is probably best used as a back-up option when direct key verification is not possible. Key Fingerprints can be verified in both PGP and S/MIME, but neither system enforces it. I would prefer for Key Fingerprint-verification to be more central to the system. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The hierarchical verisign model is useful when one wishes to verify that something comes from a famous and well known name --that this software really is issued by Flash, that this website really does belong to the Bank of America. In this case, however, only famous and well known names need their keys from verisign. No one else needs one. When one wishes to know one is really communicating with Bob, it is best to use the same channels to verify this is Bob's key, as one used to verify that Bob is the guy one wishes to talk to. The web of trust, and Verisign, merely get in the way. ... --- Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And to be honest, exactly zero of the PGP exchanges I have had have actually used the web of trust to really verify a PGP key. I've only done it in testing. In the real world, I either verify out of band (i.e. over the phone) or don't bother if the other party is too clueless to understand what I want to do and getting them to do PGP at all has already exausted my paticnce. ... = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
When encryption is also authentication...
I agree that under-the-hood encryption is becoming more and more prevalent, and that it generally improves security. Also, the widespread use of encryption technology helps protect cryptorights in general as important to the public good. The fundamental problem with under-the-hood is that the user is not required to have any understanding of the process. Furthermore encryption technology is often also authentication technology. This includes transparently sending S/MIME documents (encrypted and/or signed) as a default without requiring additional user intervention. In many places this results in legally binding documents. Furthermore, anyone with access to a system can send legally binding e-mail documents on the user's behalf. Both legally-binding and authentication technology should not be completely transparent. Even EULA's require user-intervention. Digitally signed messages should require user-intervention. --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I indeed consider passive encryption methods alone to be typically insufficient for some of my personal security needs and am continuing to utilize encryption that requires me as the user to make that trust decision. But that does not mean that no security benefits are to be had from opportunistic encryption of Internet traffic. ... How does the increased use of strong crypto under-the-hood help Cypherpunks? The answer reminds me of the response another Cypherpunk gave to my posting statistics about the nature of the USENET traffic seen by a major node. I expressed surprise at these rather revealing statistics, musing that there had to be a lesson to be learned from the fact that the bulk of the data is generated in newsgroups that one would not initially consider mainstream. His response was illuminating: Yes, the lesson is: just look at all that cover traffic. --Lucky = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: When encryption is also authentication...
I agree that the signer does not need to understand the mathematics or underlying technology for digital signatures to be viable. However, what good is an agreement when the parties do not know what the terms of the agreement are? A signature (digital or otherwise) generally indicates that the signer not only made an agreement, but also understood the agreement. A digital signatures must involve a conscious decision by the signer to keep their part of an agreement. I maintain that this requires user intervention to verify that the signer knew that they making an agreement - a click of understanding or pass phrase. Curt --- Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Having it be transparent where the user doesn't need to know anything about how it works does not have to destroy the effectiveness of digital signatures or crypto. When people sign a document they don't know all the ramifications because few bother to read all of any document they sign - most of it won't apply as long as you keep your part of the bargin, so why bother? The same thing should be true of digital signatures. The user shouldn't have to know a thing, other than they've made a promise they better keep or all the bad clauses really do apply, and the proof of their signature will come to haunt them. The way the digital signature works does not matter to them, and it shouldn't need to. If digital crypto, signatures or e-cash are going to get into mass appeal, then their operations will be magic to the majority. And it all has to work, to 1 part in 10^8th or better, without user comprehension. It may well take user intervention to create a signature, but they shouldn't have to know what they are doing. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Key verification schemes...
(in response to a topic mentioned in various threads) I agree that neither CA-verification nor WoT-verification is as useful as Key Fingerprint-verification for secure communication between crypto-aware individuals. After all, CA's can be subverted and WoT is probably best used as a back-up option when direct key verification is not possible. Key Fingerprints can be verified in both PGP and S/MIME, but neither system enforces it. I would prefer for Key Fingerprint-verification to be more central to the system. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The hierarchical verisign model is useful when one wishes to verify that something comes from a famous and well known name --that this software really is issued by Flash, that this website really does belong to the Bank of America. In this case, however, only famous and well known names need their keys from verisign. No one else needs one. When one wishes to know one is really communicating with Bob, it is best to use the same channels to verify this is Bob's key, as one used to verify that Bob is the guy one wishes to talk to. The web of trust, and Verisign, merely get in the way. ... --- Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And to be honest, exactly zero of the PGP exchanges I have had have actually used the web of trust to really verify a PGP key. I've only done it in testing. In the real world, I either verify out of band (i.e. over the phone) or don't bother if the other party is too clueless to understand what I want to do and getting them to do PGP at all has already exausted my paticnce. ... = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
When encryption is also authentication...
I agree that under-the-hood encryption is becoming more and more prevalent, and that it generally improves security. Also, the widespread use of encryption technology helps protect cryptorights in general as important to the public good. The fundamental problem with under-the-hood is that the user is not required to have any understanding of the process. Furthermore encryption technology is often also authentication technology. This includes transparently sending S/MIME documents (encrypted and/or signed) as a default without requiring additional user intervention. In many places this results in legally binding documents. Furthermore, anyone with access to a system can send legally binding e-mail documents on the user's behalf. Both legally-binding and authentication technology should not be completely transparent. Even EULA's require user-intervention. Digitally signed messages should require user-intervention. --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I indeed consider passive encryption methods alone to be typically insufficient for some of my personal security needs and am continuing to utilize encryption that requires me as the user to make that trust decision. But that does not mean that no security benefits are to be had from opportunistic encryption of Internet traffic. ... How does the increased use of strong crypto under-the-hood help Cypherpunks? The answer reminds me of the response another Cypherpunk gave to my posting statistics about the nature of the USENET traffic seen by a major node. I expressed surprise at these rather revealing statistics, musing that there had to be a lesson to be learned from the fact that the bulk of the data is generated in newsgroups that one would not initially consider mainstream. His response was illuminating: Yes, the lesson is: just look at all that cover traffic. --Lucky = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: When encryption is also authentication...
I agree that the signer does not need to understand the mathematics or underlying technology for digital signatures to be viable. However, what good is an agreement when the parties do not know what the terms of the agreement are? A signature (digital or otherwise) generally indicates that the signer not only made an agreement, but also understood the agreement. A digital signatures must involve a conscious decision by the signer to keep their part of an agreement. I maintain that this requires user intervention to verify that the signer knew that they making an agreement - a click of understanding or pass phrase. Curt --- Mike Rosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Having it be transparent where the user doesn't need to know anything about how it works does not have to destroy the effectiveness of digital signatures or crypto. When people sign a document they don't know all the ramifications because few bother to read all of any document they sign - most of it won't apply as long as you keep your part of the bargin, so why bother? The same thing should be true of digital signatures. The user shouldn't have to know a thing, other than they've made a promise they better keep or all the bad clauses really do apply, and the proof of their signature will come to haunt them. The way the digital signature works does not matter to them, and it shouldn't need to. If digital crypto, signatures or e-cash are going to get into mass appeal, then their operations will be magic to the majority. And it all has to work, to 1 part in 10^8th or better, without user comprehension. It may well take user intervention to create a signature, but they shouldn't have to know what they are doing. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
PGP - when you care enough to send the very best!
It is strange that crypto was a lot more popular back when cryptography export was heavily controlled. Many people fought for their crypto rights, but cannot be bothered with encrypted e-mail. It is similar to securing the right to vote and then declining to do so. Lucky indicates that strong crypto has gone under the hood and is now mainstream and ubiquitous. This is not true. There are countless e-mail and instant messages sent as plaintext across networks, through wireless, and over the Internet. Also under-the-hood is a risky place for crypto. It may be patched or upgraded right out of your system. Or perhaps improved to 40-bit for optimum performance. Stand alone cryptography is best. I enjoy sealing my personal letters in an envelope. I am uncomfortable entrusting that process to a third-party, or to the mailman. I am similarly uncomfortable entrusting e-mail encryption to an embedded system and cached authentication systems. Curt --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be asking yourself: where, oh where, has all the crypto gone? Where are the BlackNet's? Where is the untraceable Ecash? Where is the Cryptanarchy that we've been waiting for? For that matter...where is the crypto? The staunchest Cypherpunk will by now have noticed that PGP/GPG usage even amongst list members, once the bellwether indicator of Cypherpunks crypto adoption success, is in decline. ...(segment elided) Where has the crypto gone? The crypto has gone under the hood, away from the UI, to a place where the crypto will be of most use to the average user. Yes, for crypto to be secure against the active, well resourced, attacker, the crypto must at one point touch the user to permit the user to make a trust decision. But to secure communications from passive and/or less resourced attacker, crypto can be placed under the hood. ...(segment elided) Where has all the crypto gone? It has gone mainstream. Some of you may remember the discussions from years ago how we should try to find a way to make crypto cool and attractive for the average person. ...(segment elided) Crypto has gone as mainstream as can be. While crypto for crypt's sake may not have become cool to everybody, crypto has become a Must Have for your average 14 year-old high school freshman girl. Crypto has become ubiquitous. = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
While we are on the subject of issuing your own X.509 certificates: 1. How do you create a X.509 signing hierarchy? 2. Can you add additional algorithms (ie. Twofish)? 3. Is a relavent developer reference is available for X.509? --- Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... So issue your own. Honestly, why would anyone want to *pay* some random CA for this? ... = end LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux
The lack of e-mail detailing financial transactions is also the reason many businesses chose not to incur the overhead of secure communications. If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored, curious, and opportunistic), THEN everyone would see the value of encrypted e-mail. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The big lack of demand for encryption by Joe Sixpack is a result of the lack of financial transactions using the internet between Joe sixpack and Bob sixpack. --digsig James A. Donald = end LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: Joe Sixpack doesn't run Linux
The lack of e-mail detailing financial transactions is also the reason many businesses chose not to incur the overhead of secure communications. If there were servers on the internet which automatically displayed all plaintext e-mail messages which passed through them as webpages (for the bored, curious, and opportunistic), THEN everyone would see the value of encrypted e-mail. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The big lack of demand for encryption by Joe Sixpack is a result of the lack of financial transactions using the internet between Joe sixpack and Bob sixpack. --digsig James A. Donald = end LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
Although I also hope for widespread e-mail encryption, I feel that S/MIME introduces more problems than it resolves. Certificate Authorities issue certificates complete with CA imposed expiration dates and usage limitations. (I prefer independent systems with unrestricted certificates) Certificate Authorities match individuals to keys (Thanks, but no thanks) Certificate Authorities can revoke certificates at anytime (CA-driven DOS attack) These are in addition to compatibility and security issues. --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam wrote: Which is too bad. If NAI-PGP went away completely, then compatability problems would be reduced. I also expect that the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be more willing to fund UI work for windows. Tell me about it. PGP, GPG, and all its variants need to die before S/MIME will be able to break into the Open Source community, thus removing the last, but persistent, block to an instant increase in number of potential users of secure email by several orders of magnitude. Here's to hoping, --Lucky PS. end used to trunkate postings eliminating attached spam - does anyone know how to do this these days? end = end LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
RE: why OpenPGP is preferable to S/MIME
Self-signed and CA x.509 certificates cannot be used in Outlook even when they are added to the Trusted Root CA's. Apparently Outlook is able to distinguish between these and CA-issued x.509 certificates. --- Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak for mail-only clients, but it's easy (for moderately geekish or carefully instructed people) to add new trusted roots to IE or Netscape. Peter Trei = end LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
Perhaps there is a conflict of interest issue as well? NAI Labs is comprised of more than 100 dedicated scientific and academic professionals in four locations in the Unites States, and is entirely funded by government agencies such as: the Department of Defense's (DoD) Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the United States Army. From http://www.nai.com/naicommon/aboutnai/aboutnai.asp --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... LOL. Nothing new here. NAI has been dutifully sending cease-and-desist letters to the well-known PGP mirror site for years. The mirror sites just as dutifully have tossed said notices into the trash can upon receipt. This has been going on for over 5 years. ... --Lucky LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
Disk encryption can always be augmented by physical security, however communication encryption is dependent on available encryption tools and legal rights. If quality tools are not available, then individuals and businesses will not use them. As long as communication encryption is not widespread, crypto rights will be vulnerable to attack as a special interest issue vs public safety. Of course privacy and other pillars of democracy seem to be special interest issues as well. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 21 May 2002 at 15:03, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: NAI is now taking steps to remove the remaining copies of PGP from the Internet, not long after announcing that the company will not release its fully completed Mac OS X and Windows XP versions? Not a problem -- we have too many communication encryption programs already. Still a bit weak on disk encryption programs, and of course, we have no transaction software. We may suspect that someone is leaning on the big boys not to provide encryption to the masses, but if so, it is a bit late. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG X6j99VDvTvGmFGh1D3CQg9dK9SHeYpD48/ZPZgHz 4BH3f/B8/u/XrQuUz6UmSd7Vb0Xyl7FKwywwFfFdN = End. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
Perhaps there is a conflict of interest issue as well? NAI Labs is comprised of more than 100 dedicated scientific and academic professionals in four locations in the Unites States, and is entirely funded by government agencies such as: the Department of Defense's (DoD) Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the United States Army. From http://www.nai.com/naicommon/aboutnai/aboutnai.asp --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... LOL. Nothing new here. NAI has been dutifully sending cease-and-desist letters to the well-known PGP mirror site for years. The mirror sites just as dutifully have tossed said notices into the trash can upon receipt. This has been going on for over 5 years. ... --Lucky LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick
Disk encryption can always be augmented by physical security, however communication encryption is dependent on available encryption tools and legal rights. If quality tools are not available, then individuals and businesses will not use them. As long as communication encryption is not widespread, crypto rights will be vulnerable to attack as a special interest issue vs public safety. Of course privacy and other pillars of democracy seem to be special interest issues as well. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 21 May 2002 at 15:03, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: NAI is now taking steps to remove the remaining copies of PGP from the Internet, not long after announcing that the company will not release its fully completed Mac OS X and Windows XP versions? Not a problem -- we have too many communication encryption programs already. Still a bit weak on disk encryption programs, and of course, we have no transaction software. We may suspect that someone is leaning on the big boys not to provide encryption to the masses, but if so, it is a bit late. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG X6j99VDvTvGmFGh1D3CQg9dK9SHeYpD48/ZPZgHz 4BH3f/B8/u/XrQuUz6UmSd7Vb0Xyl7FKwywwFfFdN = End. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: Babel (Re: on the state of PGP compatibility)
sMIME will always be hampered by Certificate Authority issues. PGP is large and complex. Version problems are bound to increase as some users will remain divided between PGPdesktop, PGPfreeware, and OpenPGP. Still others will want historic versions or ckt builds. Older versions are limited by key sizes and algorithm selections, while newer versions are prone to version problems. Simple 3rd Party options are important and must always be available.. I am developing a free program and simple specification - http://www.opencrypto.com - that integrates public key crypto into a basic SMTP program. I agree with Tim that it is perhaps best to settle on a single assymetric algorithm (RSA/DH/EC) and a single symmetric algorithm (3DES/AES/2FISH). Perhaps as every 2 to 5 years the algorithms could be replaced or key lengths increased (if necessary), without adding a extensive feature or significant complexity. And James, although the best standard may win, a lack of viable alternatives is unhealthy. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Mar 2002 at 10:03, Tim May wrote: And so now PGP (or GPG) use is utterly balkanized, utterly useless. [...] Is there a solution? I would think that a keep it simple, stupid strategy is needed: Forget the hooks into popular mailers (Eudora, Outlook, Entourage), forget the OS X versions of GPG, forget the Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Windows XP, etc. versions. If PGP options have grown beyond human comprehension, perhaps everyone could use my software, which is as simple as you can get with a windows interface. http://www.echeque.com/Kong However, I predict that most people will wind up using RFC2440 (OpenPGP) compliant code. An RFC and source code is far from utter balkanization and utter uselessness. In due course, the best standard will win. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG uR++DP8NV5KuKFCaDraZEp6VTZQcmTqZI5aotgTD 4KXzf6dt2b3+U2MX665Iy8h+EFpHj6Vw0HKjMhvoy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/
Re: on the state of PGP compatibility (2nd try)
Old software/source code should always be archived. I am also concerned when new versions of security or cryptography programs are introduced, especially if the source code is unavailable. This problem is very concerning when subscription and live update services attempt to force incremental patches and automatic upgrades on users. It is even conceivable for individual systems to be targeted with special patches. --- Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting caught in the upgrade scam is bad in itself. Doing this with crypto software is sin. There are no advances beyond 2.6.2 worth upgrading. If you must, use 5.5.3i and enable only IDEA and RSA/compatible. 2.6.2 runs on dos, integrates with pegasus on windoze, runs on unix and macs. Also, always keep copies of old software. You never know when a feature will be quietly introduced or dropped from the new release. (...) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/
Re: Babel (Re: on the state of PGP compatibility)
sMIME will always be hampered by Certificate Authority issues. PGP is large and complex. Version problems are bound to increase as some users will remain divided between PGPdesktop, PGPfreeware, and OpenPGP. Still others will want historic versions or ckt builds. Older versions are limited by key sizes and algorithm selections, while newer versions are prone to version problems. Simple 3rd Party options are important and must always be available.. I am developing a free program and simple specification - http://www.opencrypto.com - that integrates public key crypto into a basic SMTP program. I agree with Tim that it is perhaps best to settle on a single assymetric algorithm (RSA/DH/EC) and a single symmetric algorithm (3DES/AES/2FISH). Perhaps as every 2 to 5 years the algorithms could be replaced or key lengths increased (if necessary), without adding a extensive feature or significant complexity. And James, although the best standard may win, a lack of viable alternatives is unhealthy. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Mar 2002 at 10:03, Tim May wrote: And so now PGP (or GPG) use is utterly balkanized, utterly useless. [...] Is there a solution? I would think that a keep it simple, stupid strategy is needed: Forget the hooks into popular mailers (Eudora, Outlook, Entourage), forget the OS X versions of GPG, forget the Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Windows XP, etc. versions. If PGP options have grown beyond human comprehension, perhaps everyone could use my software, which is as simple as you can get with a windows interface. http://www.echeque.com/Kong However, I predict that most people will wind up using RFC2440 (OpenPGP) compliant code. An RFC and source code is far from utter balkanization and utter uselessness. In due course, the best standard will win. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG uR++DP8NV5KuKFCaDraZEp6VTZQcmTqZI5aotgTD 4KXzf6dt2b3+U2MX665Iy8h+EFpHj6Vw0HKjMhvoy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/
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lawyerpunks-in-training...? [OT?]
This is a fairly big list, and there aren't very many lawyerpunks on it. (And they all seem to be tied up arguing with Choate. :-) For a host of reasons only peripherally related to things like CJ, Jim Bell, my own brief experience running a remailer, et cetera, I've begun to seriously consider law school. If nothing else, it's a great way to defer paying on those student loans for another few years... So, in vaguely-random order: * How does one decide whether law school is what they want to do? In a broader sense, how do you decide whether you want to be a lawyer when you grow up? The lawyers on the list are definitely encouraged to respond. * Is there really a need for technically-inclined lawyers? In my far-from- expert opinion, there seems to be a shortage of them... After I'm done, will I still be able to afford Ramen? (Bear in mind that I have no interest in becoming an ambulance-chaser. Not gonna go there.) * How will my undergraduate studies come back to haunt me? (My overall GPA was good but not great, and my Bachelor's is in computer science, instead of a more traditional prelaw field.) * Recommendations of lawyerpunk-friendly law schools? thanks! ...dave David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151 http://www.technopagan.org/http://metadave.net/ http://www.bureau42.com/ http://whatIsay.com/ Use anger to throw them into disarray. -- Sun Tzu
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lawyerpunks-in-training...? [OT?]
This is a fairly big list, and there aren't very many lawyerpunks on it. (And they all seem to be tied up arguing with Choate. :-) For a host of reasons only peripherally related to things like CJ, Jim Bell, my own brief experience running a remailer, et cetera, I've begun to seriously consider law school. If nothing else, it's a great way to defer paying on those student loans for another few years... So, in vaguely-random order: * How does one decide whether law school is what they want to do? In a broader sense, how do you decide whether you want to be a lawyer when you grow up? The lawyers on the list are definitely encouraged to respond. * Is there really a need for technically-inclined lawyers? In my far-from- expert opinion, there seems to be a shortage of them... After I'm done, will I still be able to afford Ramen? (Bear in mind that I have no interest in becoming an ambulance-chaser. Not gonna go there.) * How will my undergraduate studies come back to haunt me? (My overall GPA was good but not great, and my Bachelor's is in computer science, instead of a more traditional prelaw field.) * Recommendations of lawyerpunk-friendly law schools? thanks! ...dave David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151 http://www.technopagan.org/http://metadave.net/ http://www.bureau42.com/ http://whatIsay.com/ Use anger to throw them into disarray. -- Sun Tzu
Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism
I had suggested that a large number of crypto researchers take the proactive (or rather, prophylactic) step of informing *all* vendors of copy protection that the researchers are interested in studying the encryption used in their products. The notion of this would be that such an act by a large group would reduce the risk of retribution against individuals who participated. At 05:43 PM 7/31/2001, Alan Olsen wrote: All they have to do is make a messy example out of one or two. (It also helps if you can get a prosecutor that is working on a promotion to help out.) I Am Not A Lawyer, so someone more knowledgeable may correct me if I'm wrong, but... There's nothing here for a prosecutor to do. There's nothing illegal about a bona fide crypto researcher informing a vendor of an intent to study their product, which is offered to sale to the public. In fact, the researcher is complying with the legal requirements. I don't see any way the vendor could file an injunction or take other legal action simply because someone (especially one of a large number of people) announced an intent to study their product, again, as a bona fide crypto researcher, as stated in the law. Rick.
