Re: [darktable-dev] Re: enable DMARC to avoid messages being classified as spam

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Germano Massullo  [04-03-24 16:22]:
> Hello, can you please take action? GMail is everyday marking messages from
> darktable mailing lists as spam
> Thank you

you have a *local* problem.  I cannot recall a darktable mail marked as
spam here nor of anyone else commenting.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Bot closing issues after 300 days

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* Solarer  [07-26-23 06:25]:
> Hi everyone,
> I have had a few GitHub issues closed on me after 300 days of idle time. Even 
> if a bug report or feature request is still valid and of interest to me, 
> after that time I typically forget about them and I cannot extend their time 
> before they get closed.
> 
> Can we implement a reminder message 14 or 7 days prior to closing them? 
> Otherwise I would need to bump them every 60 days before they go into idle 
> state and that seems a bit overkill.

there is a 60 day reminder and a 360 day closing/reminder posted to this
list.  several of one or the other appear nearly every day.


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Heiko Bauke  [07-24-23 19:28]:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 18.07.23 um 22:18 schrieb Bruce Williams:
> > First up, this is a question more for the darktable-user list, not the
> > dev list.
> > But now that we're here...
> > No, dt does not offer the ability to remove files from the memory card.
> > And conventional wisdom says you really shouldn't wipe your memory card
> > with your computer either. Ideally, you would wipe it from your camera.
> > Also, it's not a good idea to ever partially wipe a card (not sure if
> > you were doing that or not) either, as that leaves a fragmented storage
> > unit which will mean at some point, your camera is having to split an
> > image up across multiple areas of the card.
> 
> just want to add an aspect that has not yet been mentioned here:
> 
> Deleting images from the SD card using a file manager or similar tool can
> bring the SD card into an inconstant state.  Some cameras (e.g. Sony
> cameras) maintain some database files in parallel to the image files, which
> get corrupted when images are erased by other means than deleting the images
> in-camera.
> 
> Therefore, I always delete images in-camera only.  When I am running out of
> storage, the oldest images are deleted in-camera via a bulk delete. Keeping
> images a while on the SD card (and not formatting the card) gives me kind of
> a backup of my most recent images.

I can configure my nikons to backup to the second card but it slows the
system storage writes due to bulk and that spped is necessary for my
shootings.  so I do not dup images.

but for ~20 years I have deleted images from many memory cards w/o ever
sustaning a loss or corruption.  just lucky or my Irish is showing :)

my current library contains >300k images.


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bruce Williams  [07-18-23 18:31]:
> Ageing the battery by using your camera to wipe your memory cards?
> Hardly.
> Admittedly, I only use 64GB cards, but they can be wiped in-camera in about
> 15 seconds.
> 
> -- Forwarded message -----
> From: Patrick Shanahan 
> Date: Wed, 19 July 2023, 08:25
> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card
> To: darktable 
> 
> 
> * Łukasz Karcz  [07-18-23 15:58]:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have a [noob] question regarding importing the images from the memory
> > card. Is there an option in dt for physically removing files directly from
> > the memory card after [successful] import? If not, what's the default
> > workflow for it? Manually deleting files from outside dt seems a bit
> > cumbersome. Or maybe I don't understand something?
> 
> I move photos from a memory card reader to a prepared directory on
> hard-disk which removes/deletes from memory card on successful transfer,
> *then* import into dt.  why age your expensive camera battery for other
> than taking pictures?
> 
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add the time/energy consumed hooking up to computer and transferring to
the "wiping" time/energy.

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Re: Fwd: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bruce Williams  [07-18-23 16:19]:
> First up, this is a question more for the darktable-user list, not the dev
> list.
> But now that we're here...
> No, dt does not offer the ability to remove files from the memory card.
> And conventional wisdom says you really shouldn't wipe your memory card
> with your computer either. Ideally, you would wipe it from your camera.
> Also, it's not a good idea to ever partially wipe a card (not sure if you
> were doing that or not) either, as that leaves a fragmented storage unit
> which will mean at some point, your camera is having to split an image up
> across multiple areas of the card.

not to dispute your point but for >10 years I have been "moving" photos
from memory card (reader) to hard-drive w/o a problem.  granted, on
occasion I reformat the card in camera, but very seldome.

just relating my experiences over quite some years.
 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Łukasz Karcz 
> Date: Wed, 19 July 2023, 05:05
> Subject: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card
> To: darktable 
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a [noob] question regarding importing the images from the memory
> card. Is there an option in dt for physically removing files directly from
> the memory card after [successful] import? If not, what's the default
> workflow for it? Manually deleting files from outside dt seems a bit
> cumbersome. Or maybe I don't understand something?
> 
> ŁK
> 
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Re: [darktable-dev] Delete files on memory card

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Łukasz Karcz  [07-18-23 15:58]:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a [noob] question regarding importing the images from the memory
> card. Is there an option in dt for physically removing files directly from
> the memory card after [successful] import? If not, what's the default
> workflow for it? Manually deleting files from outside dt seems a bit
> cumbersome. Or maybe I don't understand something?

I move photos from a memory card reader to a prepared directory on
hard-disk which removes/deletes from memory card on successful transfer,
*then* import into dt.  why age your expensive camera battery for other
than taking pictures?


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[darktable-dev] build 8a2dcec09 fails to compile

[Patrick Shanahan]

build failing on openSUSE Tumbleweed

/usr/bin/msgfmt: found 4 fatal errors
573 translated messages, 1141 fuzzy translations, 1341 untranslated
/messages.
gmake[2]: *** [po/CMakeFiles/locale_ro.dir/build.make:73:
/share/locale/ro/LC_MESSAGES/darktable.mo] Error 1
gmake[2]: *** Deleting file 'share/locale/ro/LC_MESSAGES/darktable.mo'
gmake[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:2041: po/CMakeFiles/locale_ro.dir/all]
Error 2
gmake[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
/data/dt-build/darktable/po/pt_BR.po:6: warning: header field
/'Project-Id-Version' still has the initial default value
4613 translated messages.
4614 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation.
4615 translated messages.
4394 translated messages.
3718 translated messages.
4607 translated messages.
3871 translated messages.
4615 translated messages.
4615 translated messages.
gmake: *** [Makefile:156: all] Error 2



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Re: [darktable-dev] Daily Build

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Christian  [06-01-22 10:31]:
> Thanks.
> 
> So it doesn't matter if one uses the build.sh script
> or cmake?
> 
> Chris
> 
> Am 24.02.2022 um 14:20 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Christian  [02-24-22 08:04]:
> > > Hi,
> > > are these the right steps to do a daily build of DT master:
> > > 
> > > git pull
> > > 
> > > git submodule init   (optional)
> > > git submodule update (optional)
> > > 
> > > cd build
> > > cmake --build .
> > > cmake --install .
> > > 
> > > Or do I have to do a clean re-build:
> > > 
> > > rmdir -r build
> > > rmdir -r /opt/darktable
> > > 
> > > mkdir build
> > > cd build
> > > cmake -G Ninja -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
> > > -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable ../.
> > > cmake --build .
> > > cmake --install .
> > 
> > I always clean(rmdir) prior to git pull/../.. and building
> > 
> > 
> > git clean -d -f -x ; git submodule update --init ; \
> >   git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules ; \
> >   git fetch origin+refs/heads/master:refs/remotes/origin/master && \
> >   git reset --hard origin/master
> > 
> > build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type RelWithDebInfo \
> >   --prefix 

I cannot tell you that as I have never tried "cmake".  I use the build.sh
script as I said.  You may confirm that, yourself.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Failure to start

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [02-25-22 20:27]:
> 3.9.0+553~g2005e94d9d ... Manjaro/Arch/XFCE
> 
> When the "kill your kittens" message came up after this upgrade I did not
> push the 'yes' accept but inadvertently pushed the no response.
> 
> dt now opens but I cannot move to the darkroom tab without dt crashing.
> 
> running through terminal I can see:
> 
> /usr/include/c++/11.1.0/bits/stl_vector.h:1045: std::vector<_Tp,
> _Alloc>::reference std::vector<_Tp, _Alloc>::operator[](std::vector<_Tp,
> _Alloc>::size_type) [with _Tp = int; _Alloc = std::allocator;
> std::vector<_Tp, _Alloc>::reference = int&; std::vector<_Tp,
> _Alloc>::size_type = long unsigned int]: Assertion '__n < this->size()'
> failed.
> Aborted (core dumped)
> 
> Tried a rebuild without success.

sound like time for a bug report!

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Re: [darktable-dev] Daily Build

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Christian  [02-24-22 08:04]:
> Hi,
> are these the right steps to do a daily build of DT master:
> 
> git pull
> 
> git submodule init   (optional)
> git submodule update (optional)
> 
> cd build
> cmake --build .
> cmake --install .
> 
> Or do I have to do a clean re-build:
> 
> rmdir -r build
> rmdir -r /opt/darktable
> 
> mkdir build
> cd build
> cmake -G Ninja -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable ../.
> cmake --build .
> cmake --install .

I always clean(rmdir) prior to git pull/../.. and building


git clean -d -f -x ; git submodule update --init ; \ 
 git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules ; \
 git fetch origin+refs/heads/master:refs/remotes/origin/master && \ 
 git reset --hard origin/master 

build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type RelWithDebInfo \ 
 --prefix 
 
 
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Re: [darktable-dev] Ubuntu21-10 build exiv2 dependency - is it necessary?

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* Patrick Shanahan  [02-04-22 12:34]:
> * Bernhard  [02-04-22 12:16]:
> > Mica Semrick schrieb am 04.02.22 um 16:30:
> > > Your system is your responsibility. The project publishes the source 
> > > code, and that's pretty much it. We can't make assumptions about what 
> > > packages your distro has or does not have. There are too many distros and 
> > > too many package versions.
> > > 
> > > If you want a mostly pain-free solution, get the flatpak from flathub.
> > 
> > 
> > Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 04.02.22 um 16:41:
> > > or utilize the ready made package your distro provides.
> > which immediately causes further problems:
> > In many cases, old versions can be found there, because not everyone goes 
> > through the hassle of a rolling release distribution. And on a question 
> > e.g. here or in a forum then the answer comes prayer mill-like: But THAT is 
> > an old version, get a new one, then you can ask again.
> > 
> > So: the choice between plague and Colera
> > 
> > No question, I understand why developers especially in the open source area 
> > argue and work exactly like this: it is simply impossible to test every 
> > program version against every operating system version, especially for 
> > backwards compatibility.
> > 
> > The problem then has the user - and I understand this as follows: how can 
> > we point out the user with such a foreseeable problem (this exiv2 is just 
> > brand new, and because that is so, it is also in the OBS repo as described 
> > above) more specifically than is the case so far?
> 
> following this list will help as I have seen several instances of problem
> with the newer and unsupported exiv2 package.  

maybe/probably add the bug reports listings.  but that is probably less
interesting to most.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Ubuntu21-10 build exiv2 dependency - is it necessary?

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* Bernhard  [02-04-22 12:16]:
> Mica Semrick schrieb am 04.02.22 um 16:30:
> > Your system is your responsibility. The project publishes the source code, 
> > and that's pretty much it. We can't make assumptions about what packages 
> > your distro has or does not have. There are too many distros and too many 
> > package versions.
> > 
> > If you want a mostly pain-free solution, get the flatpak from flathub.
> 
> 
> Patrick Shanahan schrieb am 04.02.22 um 16:41:
> > or utilize the ready made package your distro provides.
> which immediately causes further problems:
> In many cases, old versions can be found there, because not everyone goes 
> through the hassle of a rolling release distribution. And on a question e.g. 
> here or in a forum then the answer comes prayer mill-like: But THAT is an old 
> version, get a new one, then you can ask again.
> 
> So: the choice between plague and Colera
> 
> No question, I understand why developers especially in the open source area 
> argue and work exactly like this: it is simply impossible to test every 
> program version against every operating system version, especially for 
> backwards compatibility.
> 
> The problem then has the user - and I understand this as follows: how can we 
> point out the user with such a foreseeable problem (this exiv2 is just brand 
> new, and because that is so, it is also in the OBS repo as described above) 
> more specifically than is the case so far?

following this list will help as I have seen several instances of problem
with the newer and unsupported exiv2 package.  


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Re: [darktable-dev] Ubuntu21-10 build exiv2 dependency - is it necessary?

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* Mica Semrick  [02-04-22 10:31]:
> Your system is your responsibility. The project publishes the source code, 
> and that's pretty much it. We can't make assumptions about what packages your 
> distro has or does not have. There are too many distros and too many package 
> versions.
> 
> If you want a mostly pain-free solution, get the flatpak from flathub.
> 
> On February 4, 2022 1:40:20 AM PST, Wiktor Nowak  wrote:
> >Thanks for mentioning this option to build darktable but project page 
> >still doesn't say a word. Regular users struggling to get darktable 
> >should have an andvice on install page,not in devs thread as probably 
> >not many will see it.
> >
> >W dniu 04.02.2022 o 10:26, David Houlder pisze:
> >> On 3/2/22 22:34, Wiktor Nowak wrote:
> >>> I've found that Ubuntu build linked in projec page:
> >>>
> >>> https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> currently fails to install on Ubuntu 21-10 because of exiv2 lower than 
> >>> 2-27.5. Currently Ubuntu doesn't integrated new exiv2 and it will 
> >>> almost certainly not be integrated until next release.
> >> 
> >> For what it's worth I've opened a bug report to request exiv2 0.27.5 for 
> >> Ubuntu 22.04.
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/exiv2/+bug/1959508
> >> Doesn't solve your immediate problem though :-/.
> >> 
> >> While I'm here, if anyone wants to build darktable 3.8 from source 
> >> against libexiv2 that's installed in /usr/local _and_ you also have an 
> >> older libexiv2 installed by a system package, you can do this:
> >> 
> >> mkdir build
> >> cd build
> >> export CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=/usr/local/
> >> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable 
> >> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH_USE_LINK_PATH=TRUE    ..
> >> 
> >> That will make sure darktable is both built with and runs with the 
> >> library in /usr/local (or wherever you put it).
> >> 
> >> 
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or utilize the ready made package your distro provides.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Problems trying to install build of release-3.7.0-1493-g4a7774f95

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* Terry Duell  [11-16-21 16:04]:
> Hello Patrick,
> 
> On Tue, 2021-11-16 at 08:53 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > 
> > here is a version of libraw22 which works for me,
> >   http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/libraw22-0.22.0-4.1.x86_64.rpm
> > 
> >   
> 
> I just tried to install that on Fedora 34 and it fails...
> 
> Problem: conflicting requests
>   - nothing provides libjpeg.so.8()(64bit) needed by 
> libraw22-0.22.0-4.1.x86_64
>   - nothing provides libjpeg.so.8(LIBJPEG_8.0)(64bit) needed by 
> libraw22-0.22.0-
> 4.1.x86_64

you need libjpeg8-32bit-8.2.2 and libjpeg8-8.2.2-189.15.x86_64

they provide the cited packages
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Re: [darktable-dev] Problems trying to install build of release-3.7.0-1493-g4a7774f95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Duell  [11-15-21 16:37]:
> Hello Patrick,
> 
> On Mon, 2021-11-15 at 08:49 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Terry Duell  [11-14-21 23:53]:
> > > Hello Patrick,
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 2021-11-14 at 23:43 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > > * Terry Duell  [11-14-21 23:35]:
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > I have just completed a Fedora 34 rpm build of darktable 
> > > > > release-3.7.0-
> > > > > 1493-
> > > > > g4a7774f95, which completed without any errors, but when I attempted 
> > > > > to
> > > > > install
> > > > > I got the message 'nothing provides libraw.so.22', which followed on
> > > > > from a
> > > > > check of all the normal Fedora repos.
> > > > > So the indications are that this version of darktable depends on
> > > > > libraw.so.22,
> > > > > but that version doesn't seem to be available.
> > > > > Can anyone provide advice on what might be needed to build and/or
> > > > > install?
> > > > 
> > > > build the executables when you compile rather than making an rpm to
> > > > install.  The rpm fails for me on openSUSE Tumbleweed also missing
> > > > libraw22, but the executables from the compile/build are functional.
> > > > 
> > > > libraw22 will appear but apparently not yet
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > OK, thanks for your advice.
> > > I only build and install rpms, so I'll have to wait.
> > 
> > building the executables is much simpler than the rpm's,
> > 
> >   cd /data/dt-build/darktable
> >   /data/dt-build/darktable/build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type
> >   /RelWithDebInfo -DDONT_USE_INTERNAL_LUA=On --prefix
> >   //data/dt-build/darktable_repos/ && rm -rf
> >   ///data/dt-build/darktable/build
> > 
> >   
> 
> Yes, I am aware of all that, thanks, but only use the package management 
> system.

yes, I understand

but the darktable build results in files all in one place and easily
removed w/o affecting you rpm database.  your choice.  but may be a while
waiting for libraw22


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Re: [darktable-dev] Problems trying to install build of release-3.7.0-1493-g4a7774f95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Duell  [11-14-21 23:53]:
> Hello Patrick,
> 
> On Sun, 2021-11-14 at 23:43 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Terry Duell  [11-14-21 23:35]:
> > > Hello All,
> > > I have just completed a Fedora 34 rpm build of darktable 
> > > release-3.7.0-1493-
> > > g4a7774f95, which completed without any errors, but when I attempted to
> > > install
> > > I got the message 'nothing provides libraw.so.22', which followed on from 
> > > a
> > > check of all the normal Fedora repos.
> > > So the indications are that this version of darktable depends on
> > > libraw.so.22,
> > > but that version doesn't seem to be available.
> > > Can anyone provide advice on what might be needed to build and/or install?
> > 
> > build the executables when you compile rather than making an rpm to
> > install.  The rpm fails for me on openSUSE Tumbleweed also missing
> > libraw22, but the executables from the compile/build are functional.
> > 
> > libraw22 will appear but apparently not yet
> > 
> 
> OK, thanks for your advice.
> I only build and install rpms, so I'll have to wait.

building the executables is much simpler than the rpm's,

  cd /data/dt-build/darktable
  /data/dt-build/darktable/build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type
  /RelWithDebInfo -DDONT_USE_INTERNAL_LUA=On --prefix
  //data/dt-build/darktable_repos/ && rm -rf
  ///data/dt-build/darktable/build

  
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Re: [darktable-dev] Problems trying to install build of release-3.7.0-1493-g4a7774f95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Duell  [11-14-21 23:35]:
> Hello All,
> I have just completed a Fedora 34 rpm build of darktable release-3.7.0-1493-
> g4a7774f95, which completed without any errors, but when I attempted to 
> install
> I got the message 'nothing provides libraw.so.22', which followed on from a
> check of all the normal Fedora repos.
> So the indications are that this version of darktable depends on libraw.so.22,
> but that version doesn't seem to be available.
> Can anyone provide advice on what might be needed to build and/or install?

build the executables when you compile rather than making an rpm to
install.  The rpm fails for me on openSUSE Tumbleweed also missing
libraw22, but the executables from the compile/build are functional.

libraw22 will appear but apparently not yet

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Re: [darktable-dev] Geotagging module not working with dates < 1970-01-01

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Mark Feit  [11-14-21 15:44]:
> On 11/14/21 8:22 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > but *you* are doing what you believe darktable should never do, altering
> > the original raw file.  exiftool changing the DateTimeOriginal *is*
> > altering the original raw file and may cause you lose of data by altering
> > the original.
> 
> 
> That's the user's doing, and if they're doing it, they know they're doing
> it.   Lettubg darktable do it violates the principle of least astonishment.
> 
> The user has the option of taking steps to preserve the "original original"
> if they want to.

I have absolutely no argument with him altering his raw files, only that
he believes he is doing no harm.  He is free to delete them.  but he
surely cannot believe that he is not altering the raw file.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Geotagging module not working with dates < 1970-01-01

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [11-14-21 08:44]:
> > exiftool changing the DateTimeOriginal *is*
> > altering the original raw file and may cause you lose of data by altering
> > the original.
> Changing a parameter which is definitely wrong is not a loss of data but a
> correction. exiftool preserves the original file by adding "|_original|" to
> the file name. No danger of loss of data until the new file, created by
> exiftool, has been validated.

validated ???  only the camera vendor can do that as no one else has
access to their proprietary software.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Geotagging module not working with dates < 1970-01-01

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [11-14-21 02:00]:
> Am 13.11.21 um 21:34 schrieb Coding Dave:
> > darktable will never change the raw file but you might want to change
> > the date taken exif information.
> I absolutely agree, darktable should never change the raw file. That's the
> reason why I use exiftool to rough adjust "DateTimeOriginal" of the raw
> files to the day the original (analog) image was taken *before* importing
> into darktable.
> > So you might spend huge amount of work with darktable to correct the
> > exif data and expect this to have a permanent effect. Now imagine you
> > open the raw data with another program, then your tuning of date taken
> > exif information does not show up. So it looks like you've lost the
> > work.
> I'm aware of this situation.
> > You will realize that you might have intended to change the exif in the
> > image, not the sidecar information.
> That's exactly what I'm doing (see above). Where it is reasonable darktable
> is used only to fine tune the *time* information of "DateTimeOriginal".

but *you* are doing what you believe darktable should never do, altering
the original raw file.  exiftool changing the DateTimeOriginal *is*
altering the original raw file and may cause you lose of data by altering
the original.

I adjust the filename to reflect DateTimeOriginal.

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[darktable-dev] Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Pinfold  [10-07-21 17:56]:
> 
> 
> Number one for me is DT's abilty to edit. Any ability to search for and find 
> my images through lighttable is a bonus. But this should never be at the cost 
> of making DT a bloated program. I wonder if it would be possible to improve 
> the sort by funtionality of DT to include keywords. I am not a developer so I 
> don't understand what is easy and practical to impliment.
>   
>  Terry
> 
> From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> Sent: Friday, 8 October 2021 8:38 AM
> To: darktable-u...@lists.darktable.org ; 
> darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org 
> Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser
> 
> > Lorenzo Fontanella schrieb am 06.10.21 um 17:58:
> > > Evening,
> > > I submit to you some considerations:
> > > DarkTable originated along the lines of Lightroom but with the purpose of
> > > [.../...]
> > > What do you think.
> > > For me it would be a double option that would facilitate the adoption of
> > > this great software by those who do not want to be forced to work with
> > > databases and forced imports.
> > >
> > > Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator<http://www.DeepL.com/Translator> 
> > > (free version)
> > >
> > >
> > > Lorenzo Fontanella
> >
> > Message du 06/10/21 19:28
> > De : "Bernhard"
> > A : darktable-u...@lists.darktable.org, darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Adding a browser
> >
> > I think this would have many drawbacks ...
> >
> > [.../...]
> > So for me the current concept makes sense.
> 
> +1
> 
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dt already employes tags which may be the equivalent to your "keywords".


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Re: [darktable-dev] Darktable exiting when selecting 'add to library'

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [07-15-21 21:43]:
> Is this already being worked on or do I need to make a new-issue entry on
> github?
> 
> David
> 
> On 2021-07-15 3:53 p.m., Terry Duell wrote:
> > Hello David,
> > 
> > On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 08:20 -0700, David Vincent-Jones wrote:
> > > The latest git repaired the issue 
> > I've just built release-3.7.0-384-g45dbc4dbb, and the problem still exists 
> > for me.

have you made an issue?

have you checked that an issue exists?



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Re: [darktable-dev] LUA 5.4 not available on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [07-15-21 02:13]:
> Hi developers,
> 
> since https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/9299 darktable master
> does no longer build with LUA support :
> 
> -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found:
>  * Lua54 (required version >= 5.4)
> 
> LUA 5.4 is not (yet?) availbable on Ubuntu 20.04 :
> 
> *apt-cache policy liblua5.4*
> N: Paket liblua5.4 kann nicht gefunden werden.
> N: Mittels des Musters »liblua5.4« konnte kein Paket gefunden werden.
> N: Mittels regulärem Ausdruck »liblua5.4« konnte kein Paket gefunden werden.
> 
> *apt-cache policy liblua5.4-dev*
> N: Paket liblua5.4-dev kann nicht gefunden werden.
> N: Mittels des Musters »liblua5.4-dev« konnte kein Paket gefunden werden.
> N: Mittels regulärem Ausdruck »liblua5.4-dev« konnte kein Paket gefunden
> werden.

pass -DDONT_USE_INTERNAL_LUA=OFF option to cmake then.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Version Mismatch Question

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [06-01-21 21:44]:
> * David Vincent-Jones  [06-01-21 19:21]:
> > I have just completed a total rebuild of my system ... Manjaro/Arch/XFCE and
> > then I installed darktable through Arch repos   darktable-git.
> > 
> > During the install I noted the dt version as being:
> > 3.5.0.r2218.g48ced17083-1 (Tues 01 Jun 2021 01:23:25 PM). The install ran
> > correctly.
> > 
> > After the install, prior to opening dt I ran a version check:
> > 
> > [david@W530 ~]$ darktable --version
> > this is darktable 3.5.0+2421~gc01bba08e5-dirty
> > 
> > What is the reason for this version mismatch?
> 
> you apparently have two different installs of dt.  one from output of git
> build and another from system install (assumption).
> 
> run in xterm:  which darktable
> run in xterm:  locate darktable |grep bin
> 
> and your git build is still "-dirty".

and I have not made edits to enable lua script and it does work.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Version Mismatch Question

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [06-01-21 19:21]:
> I have just completed a total rebuild of my system ... Manjaro/Arch/XFCE and
> then I installed darktable through Arch repos   darktable-git.
> 
> During the install I noted the dt version as being:
> 3.5.0.r2218.g48ced17083-1 (Tues 01 Jun 2021 01:23:25 PM). The install ran
> correctly.
> 
> After the install, prior to opening dt I ran a version check:
> 
> [david@W530 ~]$ darktable --version
> this is darktable 3.5.0+2421~gc01bba08e5-dirty
> 
> What is the reason for this version mismatch?

you apparently have two different installs of dt.  one from output of git
build and another from system install (assumption).

run in xterm:  which darktable
run in xterm:  locate darktable |grep bin

and your git build is still "-dirty".

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Re: [darktable-dev] migrating lists.darktable.org to a new host

[Patrick Shanahan]

* chressie  [05-16-21 02:02]:
> hi bruce,
> 
> to gain some confidence in the new setup, volunteers would have to
> subscribe to a test mailing list, send messages, reply, check whether mails
> go to or are classified as spam etc.

I am happy to assist,
Patrick Shanahan 

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[darktable-dev] ambiguous, confusing buttons on presets

[Patrick Shanahan]

when editing a preset and selecting save, a directory display is presented
which I assume is for exporting the present, rather than "saving" it. 
this is somewhat ambiguous and confusing.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Bug (lighttable, custom sort order): moving images inverts the order of moved images

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Solarer  [04-24-21 11:23]:
> Hi Patrick,
> can you assist me a little more in removing the "dirty" flag? I deleted
> the build dir, checked out latest master, did a pull and reran the build
> script:
> 
> /build.sh --prefix /opt/darktable-test --build-type Release --install
> --sudo
> 
> But I still have the dirty flag in my Darktable version.
> 
> Side note: I installed darktable from source as darktable-test and also
> used the git-* repository version from my Manjaro Linux package manager.
> Both show the dirty flag. I would expect that at least the version that
> I installed via package manager would be cleaned automatically when I
> update my system.
> 
> How can I clean the dirty flag from my manual and my package manager
> installation?
> 
> Thanks, Jan
> 
> 
> 
> On 20.04.21 23:32, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Solarer  [04-20-21 17:27]:
> >> Well, beat me. I was able to reproduce on 3.5.0+1747~gc22f6a90e-dirty
> >> Manjaro Linux. Selecting 3 images in custom sort mode (file manager
> >> layout) and moving them around using drag and drop does invert the order
> >> of the selected pictures. The same thing happens in the film strip in
> >> other view modes.
> >>
> >> I don't think that it depends on file name, or any other exif specific
> >> data fields because if I move the pictures a second time, the order gets
> >> inverted a second time, so it is normal again. If DT would look at exif
> >> data and sort descending by filename or something like this, the order
> >> would not return to normal upon moving the files a second time.
> >>
> >> Have a nice evening.
> >> Jan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20.04.21 18:27, Solarer wrote:
> >>> Please let us try to stay objective and not start calling people names.
> >>> I am not on my PC right now so could you please try the following:
> >>>
> >>> Open a new collection with 10 pictures. Before you start to move them,
> >>> make sure they all have the same rating. Then first sort by rating,
> >>> then sort by manual order. Now try to move pictures 7-9 like you did
> >>> earlier.
> >>> Does the problem still occur?
> >>>
> >>> Best, Jan
> >>>
> >>> 20.04.2021 17:15:17 Peter Harde :
> >>>
> >>>> ... I tried it on Lr & Cp1... if you think i'm stupid!...
> >>> ? What has my bug report to do with Lightroom or CaptureOne
> >>> ?? Why should I think you are stupid ?
> >>>
> >>>> "as imported" is the problem... The exif are the reference to
> >>>> sort the images in lightable
> >>> What is "The exif" ? Which exif tag do you mean? DateTime ?
> >>> DateTimeOriginal ? CreateDate ? Any other ? And if I choose
> >>> "custom order" this order should be only relevant one when sorting
> >>> the collection, not any other order.
> >>>> If your images are renamed in the opposite time order
> >>> They are *not* imported or renamed in opposite time order. And if
> >>> I drag/drop the same selection of three images a second time, the
> >>> sequence is inverted *again*. So as I understand, the bug
> >>> described could have to do with some "refacturing", done in the
> >>> last weeks/month which also caused the bug fixed with
> >>> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/8719-
> >>>
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> > note that many things can happen when using a bad/dirty build, ie:
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> >
> > see "dirty".
> >
> >
> > remove your build directiry and generated binaries and 
> > reclone/rebuild


note that I

Re: [darktable-dev] Bug (lighttable, custom sort order): moving images inverts the order of moved images

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Solarer  [04-20-21 17:27]:
> Well, beat me. I was able to reproduce on 3.5.0+1747~gc22f6a90e-dirty
> Manjaro Linux. Selecting 3 images in custom sort mode (file manager
> layout) and moving them around using drag and drop does invert the order
> of the selected pictures. The same thing happens in the film strip in
> other view modes.
> 
> I don't think that it depends on file name, or any other exif specific
> data fields because if I move the pictures a second time, the order gets
> inverted a second time, so it is normal again. If DT would look at exif
> data and sort descending by filename or something like this, the order
> would not return to normal upon moving the files a second time.
> 
> Have a nice evening.
> Jan
> 
> 
> On 20.04.21 18:27, Solarer wrote:
> > Please let us try to stay objective and not start calling people names.
> > I am not on my PC right now so could you please try the following:
> >
> > Open a new collection with 10 pictures. Before you start to move them,
> > make sure they all have the same rating. Then first sort by rating,
> > then sort by manual order. Now try to move pictures 7-9 like you did
> > earlier.
> > Does the problem still occur?
> >
> > Best, Jan
> >
> > 20.04.2021 17:15:17 Peter Harde :
> >
> >> ... I tried it on Lr & Cp1... if you think i'm stupid!...
> >
> > ? What has my bug report to do with Lightroom or CaptureOne
> > ?? Why should I think you are stupid ?
> >
> >> "as imported" is the problem... The exif are the reference to
> >> sort the images in lightable
> > What is "The exif" ? Which exif tag do you mean? DateTime ?
> > DateTimeOriginal ? CreateDate ? Any other ? And if I choose
> > "custom order" this order should be only relevant one when sorting
> > the collection, not any other order.
> >> If your images are renamed in the opposite time order
> > They are *not* imported or renamed in opposite time order. And if
> > I drag/drop the same selection of three images a second time, the
> > sequence is inverted *again*. So as I understand, the bug
> > described could have to do with some "refacturing", done in the
> > last weeks/month which also caused the bug fixed with
> > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/8719-
> >
> > 
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note that many things can happen when using a bad/dirty build, ie:
  3.5.0+1747~gc22f6a90e-dirty Manjaro Linux

see "dirty".


remove your build directiry and generated binaries and 
reclone/rebuild



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Re: [darktable-dev] master 40fd01a6 has a problem saving changes

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [02-23-21 18:38]:
> * Patrick Shanahan  [02-23-21 16:00]:
> > I open a directory
> >   darktable --library :memory: /
> > 
> > containing an image with three dups
> > alter the last dup using "rgb curve"
> > the xmp file is updated
> > 
> > close dt
> > reopen dt using same command line
> > "rgb curve" is missing from history and displayed image does not show the
> > change initiated using "rgb curve".
> > 
> > retried several times using same sequience.
> > also tried compressing history stack with "rgb curve" on top.
> > 
> > is "rgb curve" depricated or do I need to post an issue?  
> 
> and the "problem" happened before 40fd01a6

and does not seem to happen now, darktable 3.5.0+1240~gb22ee0673

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Re: [darktable-dev] master 40fd01a6 has a problem saving changes

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [02-23-21 16:00]:
> I open a directory
>   darktable --library :memory: /
> 
> containing an image with three dups
> alter the last dup using "rgb curve"
> the xmp file is updated
> 
> close dt
> reopen dt using same command line
> "rgb curve" is missing from history and displayed image does not show the
> change initiated using "rgb curve".
> 
> retried several times using same sequience.
> also tried compressing history stack with "rgb curve" on top.
> 
> is "rgb curve" depricated or do I need to post an issue?  

and the "problem" happened before 40fd01a6

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[darktable-dev] master 40fd01a6 has a problem saving changes

[Patrick Shanahan]

I open a directory
  darktable --library :memory: /

containing an image with three dups
alter the last dup using "rgb curve"
the xmp file is updated

close dt
reopen dt using same command line
"rgb curve" is missing from history and displayed image does not show the
change initiated using "rgb curve".

retried several times using same sequience.
also tried compressing history stack with "rgb curve" on top.

is "rgb curve" depricated or do I need to post an issue?  

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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

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dev@lists.darktable.org<mailto:darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>
> > > >  
> > > > <mailto:darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > Asunto: Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then, if the "culprit" drive / directory is the one you really want to
> > > > use, I believe your technician can help you to clean or replace it.
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that when darktable "imports" pictures it just adds
> > > > informations about these pictures into its database, but it doesn't
> > > > copy the file pictures into another drive/directory. That's why after
> > > > the test I've suggested you should "remove" the pictures fro
> > > > darktable's database to avoid getting skulls after you've disconnect
> > > > the test drive / erased the test directory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Le mer. 17 févr. 2021 à 02:49, susana gastelumendi
> > > > <mailto:susana_gastelume...@hotmail.com>
> > > >  a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > I answer your questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > git is the version control software used to maintain darktable.  You 
> > > > > can download it from https://gitforwindows.org.  I don't think that 
> > > > > installing the lua scripts will help with your darktable folder 
> > > > > opening problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > What folder are your pictures in?  Are there other folders under the 
> > > > > main one that also contain pictures?
> > > > > Both cases: The folder opens but the pictures doesn t finish opening. 
> > > > > they stay " processing" So, as I can´ t work, I close Darktable. But 
> > > > > that pictures, continue processing and Darktable closes in a wrong 
> > > > > way. It stays opened background.After that, I try to open Darktable 
> > > > > and I can´t. It appers the message to delete that LOCK files. I 
> > > > > delete them and the same story.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are trying to just import the top level folder and get all of 
> > > > > the pictures, do you have the recursive option checked in the 
> > > > > settings (gear wheel at the upper right of the lighttable)? I don´t 
> > > > > understand what you mean. I don´t see any gear wheel
> > > > >
> > > > > When you try to import the folder, how do you do it?  Click the 
> > > > > folder button at the top left, then use the file finder to click on a 
> > > > > folder containing pictures, then click open? Yes, I always did and do 
> > > > > like you say.
> > > > >  Import folder, at the top left ,  and open folder. But pictures 
> > > > > doesn t finish opening.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I can t understand, is that I uninstalled and re intsalled a new 
> > > > > version, and the same problem.
> > > > > Yesterday I was 2 hours with the Microsoft technitian but windows is 
> > > > > ok.
> > > > > We can ´t find the solution and told me that the program has a 
> > > > > failure. But I don´t understand because for months I didn´t have any 
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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you must remember that non of us can see your computer screen and can only
guess or advise on the description and information you provide.  and when
you answer a question without any indication what the question is, we are
just guessing what you are saying.

the two included screenshots mean nothing to me and I do not understand
the language.

you should only need "import" for folder/directory or file for new images
or images that you have moved to a new location not using darktable to do
the move.

in the "preferences" below the import option line there is an option
"initial rating" which indicates the number of "stars" to initially rate
each image on import, 0-5 stars.  if you have this set to a number, that
rating will be applied to each image you import.

above the lighttable there is a drop-down option "view" which determines
which rated images will be displayed.  SET IT TO "all".

does this make you images appear?


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Re: [darktable-dev] Only write xmp file on export

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bertwim  [02-19-21 16:48]:
> Hi,
> 
> My camera creates an image both in raw format (Nikon, nef) and a jpg.  When
> the camera-produced jpg is good enough, I just want to keep it, leaving it
> untouched by DT. No xmp-file needed or even desired. For  the others
> pictures, I use DT to process the the raw image and export a new jpg,
> overwriting the original camera-produced jpg. For those pictures I want the
> xmp file.
> In other words, I would like to have  an xmp file *only* for those images
> that I have actually edited. No no xmp-files for images that I have not
> touched/edited.
> 
> I don''t think DT is currently providing this in a convenient way. It can
> write xmp files automatically for *all* images, but that is too much.
> It is possible to achieve this selective xmp-export  manually by first
> selecting in lightroom the 'untouched' images, inverting this selection and
> then choose "write sidecar files' in the history stack menu. This however,
> is cumbersome, tedious and error prone. I am looking for a more robust and
> automated way to achieve the same.
> It would make sense I think to write an xmp file together with the export,
> So I was thinking if I could add this option to the code.
> 
> I would value some comments or feedback if this option would be worthwhile
> to pursue.

if you would only import raw images, dt would not create xmp files for the
jpg's.  surely when you need to work a file, you work the raw.
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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Laurent Zimmermann  [02-19-21 04:12]:
 [...]
> Nevertheless, in your old profile there might be files named
> - data.db-snp-MMDDHHMMSS & library.db-snp-MMDDHHMMSS, which I
> guess are snapshots,

that is correct

> - data.db-pre-x.y.z & library.db-pre.x.y.z that seem (just my guess)
> to be backup of data.db & library.db before installing darktable
> version x.y.z

also correct but they are not generated before installing but when
darktable has an update to the database structure.


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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

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* Laurent Zimmermann  [02-18-21 11:51]:
> Or more likely
> "C.\Archivos de Programa\darktable\bin\darktable.exe" -d all
> 
> Le jeu. 18 févr. 2021 à 17:33, Patrick Shanahan  a écrit :
> >
> > * susana gastelumendi  [02-18-21 11:25]:
> > > Laurent:
> > >
> > > I found it in:
> > >
> > > C.\Archivos de Programa\darktable
> >
> >  [...]
> >
> >
> > so now do:
> >
> >   open a command window, lower left icon, click, type cmd 
> >
> >   in that window:
> > "C.\Archivos de Programa\darktable" -d all
> > 
> >
> > let it continue until you no more output in the "command window"
> >
> > copy the last several lines from the "command window" and provide them for
> > us to see.
> >
> > this is the first step, there will be more.
> >
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you gentlemen are probably correct and better versed in windows.  please
take the lead and I will bow out.

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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

[Patrick Shanahan]

* susana gastelumendi  [02-18-21 11:25]:
> Laurent:
> 
> I found it in:
> 
> C.\Archivos de Programa\darktable

 [...]


so now do:

  open a command window, lower left icon, click, type cmd 
  
  in that window:
"C.\Archivos de Programa\darktable" -d all


let it continue until you no more output in the "command window"

copy the last several lines from the "command window" and provide them for
us to see.

this is the first step, there will be more.


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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

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* susana gastelumendi  [02-13-21 19:59]:
> 
> 
> Thank you for your answers!
> 
> I would like to add, that it always openS this window, down on the left I 
> don´t rememeber if this was open before the problem, I think not.
> 
> I send screenshot.
> 
> It says:
> 
> LUA SCRIPTS INSTALLER
> 
> Choose an action below.
> 
> 'install scripts' installs the lua scripts from
> the darktable lua-scripts repository
> 
> 'remind me later' will cause this module to
> reappear every 5th darktable is restarted
> 
> 'dont show again' will cause this module to
> not be shown again for those who do
> not wish to install the scripts
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Susana Gastelumendi Vilaboa
> 
> Tel : 0034 656451497
> 
> 
> De: Patrick Shanahan  en nombre de Patrick Shanahan 
> 
> Enviado: viernes, 12 de febrero de 2021 1:15
> Para: susana gastelumendi 
> Asunto: Re: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS
> 
> * susana gastelumendi  [02-11-21 16:20]:
> > Absolutly removed. I send screen shots.
> >
> > Can t open the foldesr inspite I removed that 2 files  data.db.lock  and   
> > library.db.lock.
> >
> > Is it possible to contact with  Darktable developers?
> >
> > Susana Gastelumendi Vilaboa
> > Tel : 0034 656451497
> >
> > 
> > De: Patrick Shanahan  en nombre de Patrick Shanahan 
> > 
> > Enviado: jueves, 11 de febrero de 2021 19:11
> > Para: susana gastelumendi 
> > Asunto: Re: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS
> >
> > * susana gastelumendi  [02-11-21 12:35]:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I already did that: removed the two lock files, only the lock files.
> > >
> > > But I open Darktable, and the same Impossible to open folders and 
> > > again the message to remove that lock files.
> > >
> > > I also, reboot the computes,  unistall, re install the program and the 
> > > same sotry. Not open, message to remove files.
> > >
> > > Imposibble to open folders.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Susana Gastelumendi Vilaboa
> > > Tel : 0034 656451497
> > >
> > > 
> > > De: Patrick Shanahan  en nombre de Patrick Shanahan 
> > > 
> > > Enviado: jueves, 11 de febrero de 2021 18:10
> > > Para: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org 
> > > 
> > > Asunto: Re: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS
> > >
> > > * susana gastelumendi  [02-11-21 10:01]:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to ask for a solution for this problem.
> > > >
> > > > I was working very well with Darktable and it began to happen this:
> > > > I can not open folders, it stays processing. I send you a screen shot
> > > > Then this notification opened, to delete this files LOCK. I send you 
> > > > screen shot
> > > > I did it. But it was not possible to open folders.
> > > >
> > > > I unintastalled the app.
> > > > I reboot the computer.
> > > > Install again Darktable.
> > > > I can not open folder.
> > > > Again the the notification to delete files.
> > > >
> > > > My technitian and also I asked Microsoft to see if it is a problem of 
> > > > Windows. It is not.
> > > > They told me I have to ask the developers.
> > > >
> > > > Please, I would like to know the link where to see your answer.
> > >
> > > not a dev, but
> > >
> > > sounds like you have stopped darktable improperly, crashed, or ... and the
> > > library.db and data.db are still locked.  you can remove the locks by
> > > going to the directory where they are located, show hidden files and
> > > remove the two lock files.  only the lock files, not the library.db or
> > > data.db.  I do not run windows and do not know where these files are on
> > > you system.  your windows search-files might help.
> > >
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Re: RV: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Pete Hall  [02-11-21 13:23]:
> I've seen similar and re-import folder fixed it.

if she cannot open the directories to begin with, how would she
"re-import" w/o using the commandline?  and that doesn't appear to be an
option within her repertoire.

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Re: [darktable-dev] CAN NOT OPEN FOLDERS

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* susana gastelumendi  [02-11-21 10:01]:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to ask for a solution for this problem.
> 
> I was working very well with Darktable and it began to happen this:
> I can not open folders, it stays processing. I send you a screen shot
> Then this notification opened, to delete this files LOCK. I send you screen 
> shot
> I did it. But it was not possible to open folders.
> 
> I unintastalled the app.
> I reboot the computer.
> Install again Darktable.
> I can not open folder.
> Again the the notification to delete files.
> 
> My technitian and also I asked Microsoft to see if it is a problem of 
> Windows. It is not.
> They told me I have to ask the developers.
> 
> Please, I would like to know the link where to see your answer.

not a dev, but

sounds like you have stopped darktable improperly, crashed, or ... and the
library.db and data.db are still locked.  you can remove the locks by
going to the directory where they are located, show hidden files and
remove the two lock files.  only the lock files, not the library.db or
data.db.  I do not run windows and do not know where these files are on
you system.  your windows search-files might help.


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Re: [darktable-dev] db upgrade can be slow

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Pascal Obry  [01-16-21 13:12]:
> 
> For people using the "master" version.
> 
> Beware that the next database upgrade can take quite some time.
> 
> This new version is modifying quite a lot the structure by adding many
> foreign keys and cascade support. This will avoid dangling data in the
> db and will enforce a better consistency.
> 
> There is some reports that the conversion is taking 1 minute for around
> 50k images. This depends also of the disk speed.
> 
> Anyway, when upgrading be patient and take a coffee :)



  >190k images
beginning size of library.db936312832

time darktable -d all
0.66 application_directory: /usr/bin
0.000102 darktable.datadir: /usr/share/darktable
0.000117 darktable.plugindir: /usr/lib64/darktable
0.000128 darktable.localedir: /usr/share/locale
0.000164 darktable.configdir: /home/paka/.config/darktable
0.000183 darktable.cachedir: /home/paka/.cache/darktable
0.000194 darktable.sharedir: /usr/share
0.000206 darktable.tmpdir: /tmp
[memory] at startup
[memory] max address space (vmpeak):   94340 kB
[memory] cur address space (vmsize):   94308 kB
[memory] max used memory   (vmhwm ):   30700 kB
[memory] cur used memory   (vmrss ):   30700 kB
0.000261 new_xdg_data_dirs: (null)
WINDOW DECORATIONS RELOADED
WINDOW DECORATIONS RELOADED
0.424459 output profile `2-Color separation look (Red x Black)' color
space `Lab ' not supported for histogram profile
0.424472 output profile `2-Color separation look (Red x Green)' color
space `Lab ' not supported for histogram profile
0.424475 output profile `Invert lightness' color space `Lab ' not
supported for histogram profile
0.424477 output profile `Old picture' color space `Lab ' not supported for
histogram profile
0.444572 [init sql] library: /home/paka/.config/darktable/library.db,
data: /home/paka/.config/darktable/data.db
[init] can't copy back from images_old
[init]   FOREIGN KEY constraint failed
[init] database `library.db' couldn't be upgraded from version 30 to 33.
aborting
ERROR : cannot open database

real15m57.042s
user8m41.566s
sys 7m6.821s

not working for me :(



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Re: [darktable-dev] Re: integration tests moved to sub-modules

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* Pascal Obry  [01-15-21 13:53]:
> Le vendredi 15 janvier 2021 à 12:56 -0500, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
> > * Pascal Obry  [01-01-70 12:34]:
> > > 
> > > The sub-module is in place.
> > > 
> > > > If you don't care about the integration tests and want to avoid
> > > > downloading the tests you can do:
> > > > 
> > > > $ git config submodule.src/test/integration.update none
> > > 
> > > A typo while writing this (missing s for tests):
> > > 
> > > $ git config submodule.src/tests/integration.update none
> > 
> > I do not know "git"!
> > 
> > I did:
> > git config submodule.src/tests/integration.update none 
> > 
> > 
> > and I do:
> > git clean -d -f -x 
> > git submodule init 
> 
> Only needed first time a clone is done and if the clone was not done
> with recursive submodule option.
> 
> > git submodule update 
> 
> Likewise, you don't need that if you only follow one branch. The git
> pull will do it. The command is needed when you switch branches and if
> they are not at the same sub-module version.
> 
> > git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules
> 
> The --recurse-submodules option is probably the culprit.

yup, that appears to do it.

tks, and for all the heavy lifting :)

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Re: [darktable-dev] Re: integration tests moved to sub-modules

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Pascal Obry  [01-01-70 12:34]:
> 
> The sub-module is in place.
> 
> > If you don't care about the integration tests and want to avoid
> > downloading the tests you can do:
> > 
> > $ git config submodule.src/test/integration.update none
> 
> A typo while writing this (missing s for tests):
> 
> $ git config submodule.src/tests/integration.update none

I do not know "git"!

I did:
git config submodule.src/tests/integration.update none 


and I do:
git clean -d -f -x 
git submodule init 
git submodule update 
git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules

and I get:
Skipping submodule 'src/tests/integration'
Fetching submodule src/external/OpenCL
Fetching submodule src/external/libxcf
Fetching submodule src/external/rawspeed
Fetching submodule src/external/whereami
Fetching submodule src/tests/integration

and I wait while tests/integration
is repopulated.

what am I doing incorrectly?

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Re: [darktable-dev] Import from camera/ memory card: some probleems

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Laurent Zimmermann  [01-05-21 10:39]:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I did not try dt 3.4 because it is not yet available in the
> repositories of my distro.
> 
> This is my hardware:
> - CompactFlash SanDisk Extreme 60 MB/s
> - Lexar USB 3.0 card reader
> - StarTech USB 3.0 ExpressCard
> - Pentium P6000 @ 1.87 GHz dual core
> - 8 GB RAM DDR3
> - SSD drive
> It is an ancient VAIO laptop I have upgraded. Not an i7 processor of course.
> 
> I tried to increase (512 MB -> 2048 MB) for the thumbnails cache and
> the nimber of threads (1 -> 2) without any noticeable effect on the
> thumbnails display in the import dialog. No other setting seemed
> appropriate.
> 
> The import dialog in darktable needs ~18 s to display the 133
> thumbnails although Dolphin needs only 2-3 s. So I guess the hardware
> is not the most critical point, dont't you?
> 
> Laurent
> 
> Le mar. 5 janv. 2021 à 08:52, Peter Harde
>  a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Laurent,
> >
> > did you try dt 3.4.0 ? What hardware are you using? Sounds as if your
> > system is slow... There are several settings in preferences ->
> > lighttable controlling the creation of thumbnails. Did you try different
> > settings ?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Am 04.01.21 um 15:38 schrieb Laurent Zimmermann:
> > > Using darktable 3.2.1 x64 / Q4OS Linux (Debian 10 type).
> > >
> > > First of all, thanks to the developpers for their work.
> > >
> > > 1. I recently imported all the pictures (250+) from my memory card to
> > > my harddrive. I wanted to import them on my hard disk in several
> > > partial imports to get them into several folders having different
> > > names. The problem was that at each partial import I had to wait a
> > > long time until the full content of my memory card was displayed. Is
> > > was a long time because there were many photos and because thumbnails
> > > were displayed.
> > > I believe things could go much faster if a kind of cache could be
> > > used, because viewing the thumbnails was very useful.
> > >
> > > 2. By the way, I remember I saw once a list of filenames (faster
> > > display) instead of the thumbnails, but I am totally unable to
> > > remember what I did to view the list instead of the thumbnails. I see
> > > no button nor another mean to toggle between filename and thumbnails.
> > >
> > > 3. In the parameters tab, there is the option "override today's date"
> > > (surcharge la date actuelle). I'd like to know what is it intended for
> > > and how to use it.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
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the difference in time required for display between dt and dolphin is
probably the display size of the thumbnails and that dolphin has it's own
cache, different than dt.


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Re: [darktable-dev] different meanings of "feather" in darktable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Mica Semrick  [01-05-21 11:09]:
> "Feather size" is still awkward. It could be changed to "feathering" as well.
> 
> -m
> 
> On January 5, 2021 5:34:02 AM PST, Andrew Greig  
> wrote:
> >Jeronimo
> >
> >In a mask, the feather is fall off, a weakening of the effect at the 
> >edges of the mask. It disguises the fact that a mask is in use. In the 
> >retouch module the feather does the same, sometimes I use a large 
> >feather, and sometimes not, it depends on what I am retouching, but the
> >
> >effect is the same. Panel beaters and plasterers also refer to 
> >tapering 
> >the edge of their filling material as "feathering off" making it 
> >invisisble to the eye but in their case, also to the touch.
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >On 6/1/21 12:22 am, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> There is "feathering", used in mask refinement, which adapts
> >> a mask's edge to edges detected in image.
> >>
> >> And recently, when updating the translation, I saw "feather size"
> >> referring to the radius of the outer circle (or ellipsis) when
> >> creating drawn masks.
> >>
> >> But those are not exactly the same... The latter seems more
> >> like a smoothing/gradient area around the mask, not depending on
> >> image features, while the former changes the effect of a mask in
> >> a non-uniform way using image features (whatershed detection, or
> >> something else? -- I'm not an expert in image processing).
> >>
> >> So -- is this intentional, and the same name was menat to be used
> >> in both cases? If so, then I probably misunderstood something
> >> (could someone help me understand why?)
> >>
> >> I ask in order to decide if I translate them to the same words
> >> or not.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Jeronimo
> >>
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just call it "feather".  it describes the same thing in English when
referring to a photography action.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Bug? White balance not pasted when pasting history stack

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Matthias Elsdörfer  [01-03-21 12:52]:
> Hey guys,
> 
> Am I the only one who can no longer paste white balance settings onto
> other images?

no/yes ...

problems arise since automagically pasting white balance setting to files
from a different camera are incorrectly applied.

there is a "work-a-round", you need to *specifically* select the items
from the history to paste rather than automagically selecting.  

note that there are other history items handled it the same manner.

it is in tfm
and iianm, is specifically for >3.2.1 versions.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Color Balance Module

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [11-30-20 12:13]:
> Well  you certainly noticed it!
> 
> On 2020-11-30 9:09 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * David Vincent-Jones  [11-30-20 12:05]:
> > > A few weeks ago I noticed a new format for the Color Balance module where 
> > > 3
> > > tabs were used to split the overly long module format. The revised format
> > > did not last long and we are now back to the very unwhieldy layout.
> > > 
> > > For my money the 3 tab format was a definite improvement  just would
> > > like to say that the idea did not go unnoticed.
> > but your comment quite possibly will go un-noticed if you do not file it
> > on github.
> > 


and I am a tester, not a developer.  but you are correct, I saw it but I
will not do anything about it.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Color Balance Module

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [11-30-20 12:05]:
> A few weeks ago I noticed a new format for the Color Balance module where 3
> tabs were used to split the overly long module format. The revised format
> did not last long and we are now back to the very unwhieldy layout.
> 
> For my money the 3 tab format was a definite improvement  just would
> like to say that the idea did not go unnoticed.

but your comment quite possibly will go un-noticed if you do not file it
on github.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Crash report: Divide by zero while selecting deleted photos

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Brian Reischl  [11-17-20 09:18]:
> Hello!
>   I managed to crash darktable just now. Trace attached.
> 
>   I had deleted several images from the filesystem, but they were still
> showing in the lighttable view, with the "file missing" preview image that
> kinda looks like a space invader. So I was selecting all of them (using
> ctrl+left mouse click), with the intention to delete them. After perhaps 5
> or so I got the crash.
> 
>   However I have not been able to repro the crash. I reopened darktable and
> was able to select and delete all 13 images with no problems.
> 
> Darktable v3.2.1 on Windows 10 Home 64-bit, OS build 19041.630.
> Files are on a removable USB drive, if that matters.
> 
> Thanks for all your hard work!

the dev's utilize github to track and correct bugs and other issues.  to
make sure your issue is addressed, best to file your report here:
  
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new?assignees===bug_report.md=


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Re: [darktable-dev] Question

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [11-12-20 19:01]:
> CR3, convert to DNG! ... Currently dt is not fully importing some critical
> EXIF data from DNG files. I have asked in redmine that this be looked at.
> 
> On 2020-11-12 11:59 a.m., Hubert Kowalski wrote:
> > Before you gave money to Canon, you could have checked the status of exiv2
> > and rawspeed.
> > 
> > Here's what you should do:
> > https://discuss.pixls.us/t/canon-cr3-raw-support-your-move/14192?u=johnny-bit
> > 
> > For time being you can convert your CR3 to DNG with no loss of image
> > information and metadata.
> > 
> > Remember - YOU supported canon with your purchase, you should expect THEM
> > to help open source devs with CR3 support, not other way around.
> > 
> > czw., 12 lis 2020 o 20:26 Mikko Rasa  napisał(a):
> > 
> > > On 12.11.2020 20.40, FF wrote:
> > > > Will the forthcoming release of dt support Canon cr3 format?
> > > I'm interested in this as well, having recently purchased a Canon EOS R
> > > camera.  There was some discussion in August, but the outcome back then
> > > seemed to be that exiv2 (which Darktable uses) developers are too
> > > uncertain of the possible legal issues and Canon is unwilling to give
> > > any assurance that decoding the format is allowed.  There was also some
> > > talk on the relevant git issues about having to figure out how to
> > > actually decode it without an official spec.
> > > 
> > > However, libraw has apparently had CR3 decoding support since November
> > > 2019.  There's a fork of RawTherapee[1] with CR3 support (using libraw)
> > > in a build from March, and it worked out of the box on my Debian
> > > unstable system.  So it seems that the format has been sufficiently
> > > figured out and, at least so far, Canon has yet to raise a legal ruckus
> > > about it.
> > > 
> > > So where does Darktable stand with this issue?  If exiv2 is too mired in
> > > their legal uncertainty, would using libraw either in addition or
> > > instead of it be an option?  I would prefer to stick with Darktable
> > > since it's unlikely the XMP data can be transferred to a different
> > > program at the drop of a hat.
> > > 
> > > [1]
> > > 
> > > https://garridodiaz.com/canon-cr3-support-in-linux-using-art-rawtherapee-clone/
> > > 
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you need to report on github as redmine has not been used for quite some
time now.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Scan for devices option is not available

[Patrick Shanahan]

* rob lineberger  [11-11-20 23:37]:
> I've heard great things and I can't wait to try tethering my Canon 7D with
> darktable.  However, there is no menu option for "Scan for Devices."  Or
> "import from camera", or "tethered shoot" for that matter.
> 
> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS with a fresh install of darktable 3.2.1.  I am in
> lightroom mode.  As you can see from the screenshot below, there are only
> two options under the import menu: Image and folder.
> 
> I am 100% certain that my camera is supported, it works, the cable works,
> and the OS does not have the camera locked. libgphoto2 is installed and
> functional. When I check the terminal output I see these messages:
> 
> (darktable:23709): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 23:33:07.125:
> g_object_set_data: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
> 
> (darktable:23709): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 23:33:07.125:
> gtk_widget_get_has_tooltip: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
> 
> Without knowing how darktable works this is as far as my knowledge can take
> me so I hope someone out there knows what is going on so I can start
> snapping breathtaking tethered shots. Thanks!
> 
> missing scan option

so your system has not made your camera available to darktable or
darktable is broken which would indicate the need for an issue report at
 https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new/choose


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Re: [darktable-dev] git master - all images are black

[Patrick Shanahan]

* juli...@i2pmail.org  [11-09-20 05:40]:
> Hi folks, when a reporter uses email I believe more devs in the wide world 
> need to be prepared to communicate over it.
> 
> Maybe instead of saying "you should report this [at Microsoft Github]". Say 
> "I've copied this to [Microsoft Github]".
> 
> I fully understand "collateral freedom", but I personally feel that the OS 
> community is leaning too much on this crutch. We need to be mindful that not 
> all people will want to expose themselves to Microsoft. Please be mindful 
> that when someone says you should go on Microsoft Github, it can come across 
> as, "I hope you have a Facebook account. Go to this Facebook group and post 
> your problem there."
> 
> On a related note, about a month ago I posted bugs and proposals to improve 
> the UX/UI.  If you've worked on any of those feel free to get back to me on 
> progress. Its always nice to know that ones volunteering is having a 
> difference. FOSS development can be very dry and thankless. If you wish to 
> spare the entire list from getting the email, feel free to email me directly. 
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Stay well all.
> 
> On 2020-11-06 19:21 UTC Alexander Rabtchevich 
>  wrote:
> > Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * Alexander Rabtchevich  [11-06-20 
> > > 12:33]:
> > >> Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:
> > >>> Hello
> > >>>
> > >>> Today commits made all images in a collection look almost black. Build
> > >>> and install directory were empty before build process. Mint Mate 20 x64.
> > >>>
> > >> Reverting the commit cfa1abfdb09207a2f87d9e753390797195b2ff29 made it 
> > >> work.
> > > you should report this at:
> > >https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new/choose
> > >
> > Here it is
> > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/6766
> > 
> > With respect,
> > Alexander Rabtchevich
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When one wishes to assist and participate in the development of a software
entity, one must be prepared to utilize the avenues the developers use
rather than attempt to change the developers methods in favor of their
own.  github is definitively used to keep track of issues and requests for
darktable development, the dev's mailing list is somewhat of an
"afterthought".

if you want your issue and requests to be seen by the dev's, github is the
avenue.  although, posting those to the mailing list maybe or maybe not
one of the dev's will see and follow or maybe someone else will pick up
and post it to github.  but this is a rather haphazard approach.

you should use github, but facebook or bottompaper is not likely to
provide much assistance.

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Re: [darktable-dev] git master - all images are black

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Alexander Rabtchevich  [11-06-20 12:33]:
> Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > Today commits made all images in a collection look almost black. Build
> > and install directory were empty before build process. Mint Mate 20 x64.
> > 
> 
> Reverting the commit cfa1abfdb09207a2f87d9e753390797195b2ff29 made it work.

you should report this at:
  https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/new/choose
  
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Re: [darktable-dev] Perspective correction cropping bug

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Lorenzo Fontanella  [01-01-70 12:34]:
> Hi, using the perspective correction module and setting the automatic
> cropping with original aspect ratio, you get a correct image but with black
> edges.  I think it's a bug, the previous versions worked fine.

I have absolutely no idea what version of dt you are using or what
operating system and environment, but ... 

I just tested perspetive correction on openSUSE Tumbleweed, darktable git
master gbb9b701fe, and have no "black edges".


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Re: [darktable-dev] Another compilation failure

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jack Bowling  [10-15-20 18:16]:
> Ubuntu 20.10 beta, gcc 10.2, llvm 10.0.1, clang 10.0.1
> 
> Latest git pull gives me:
> 
> 
> -- Configuring done
> CMake Error at src/external/CMakeLists.txt:5 (add_library):
>   Cannot find source file:
> 
> /home/jb/darktable_git/darktable/src/external/whereami/src/whereami.c
> 
>   Tried extensions .c .C .c++ .cc .cpp .cxx .cu .m .M .mm .h .hh .h++ .hm
>   .hpp .hxx .in .txx
> 
> 
> CMake Error at src/external/CMakeLists.txt:5 (add_library):
>   No SOURCES given to target: whereami
> 
> 
> CMake Generate step failed.  Build files cannot be regenerated correctly.
> 
> 
> 
> Same after a rebase. First time I have seen this error.

I do not know how you get submodules on windows but there is a new
submodule that is needed:
  git submodule init ; git submodule update ; git pull --rebase 
--recurse-submodules
  Fetching submodule src/external/OpenCL
  Fetching submodule src/external/libxcf
  Fetching submodule src/external/rawspeed
  Fetching submodule src/external/whereami

you at least are missing "whereami".
  
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Re: [darktable-dev] Personal copy of darktable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Postmaster  [10-12-20 12:08]:
> is it possible to have your own copy of darktable without installing
> pgm/libraries outside of your account?
> 
> Also what would an "install" do if not done as administrator.


you do not provide enough information for one to guess what you are trying
to accomplish.

yes, one can have their own copy w/o installing outside of their account
but quite some jumping around.

an install no done with admin permissions would fail on a normal system.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Error message

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Carlos Sevcik  [10-08-20 14:15]:
> I am auser of Darktable from git. It is installed under Linux Mint  20
> Cinnamon. One of my machines had a problem and  I reinstalled the system.
> Everything is working fine except Dartable. As far as I can see both
> machines are configured equally, with the same libraries installed and
> updated to the same version, yet in my Lenovo All In One desktop, the git
> installation always fails with the same error message:
> 
> [  4%] Built target locales
> > [  4%] Built target lautoc
> > [  4%] Checking validity of data/darktableconfig.xml
> > [  4%] Built target validate_darktableconfig_xml
> > [  4%] Built target generate_conf
> > [  4%] Built target generate_preferences
> > [  4%] Built target validate-cameras.xml
> > [ 15%] Built target rawspeed
> > make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/local/lib/libtiff.so', needed by
> > 'src/libdarktable.so'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:2282:
> > src/CMakeFiles/lib_darktable.dir/all] Error 2
> > make: *** [Makefile:152: all] Error 2
> 
> 
> Please excuse if this is not right place to ask. I have been using the Git
> instalation for over 6 years, It triky but I have been able to make it
> worl. Usually under Ubuntu Linux. I recently switched to Mint, but prior
> the reinstallation mentioned above, it was working great.
> ¿Can anybody help?

on my openSUSE Tumbleweed system, the address is:
  /usr/lib64/libtiff.so


perhaps you need to reinstall libtiff5

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Re: [darktable-dev] White-ish 1px border around selected photos in lighttable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Timur Irikovich Davletshin  [10-07-20 16:55]:
> So you're complaining about the problem which doesn't exist!
> 
> 臘‍♂
> 
> On Wed, 2020-10-07 at 16:44 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > It's not a matter of opening them, my mail service delivers to my
> > private
> > server.  I automagically receive all mail and ensuing traffic.  
> > and it was 122kb, not 95kb.
> > 
> > Please have some respect for others than yourself.


Ah, yes, doesn't exist for YOU.  Have some consideration for others that
yourself.  I believe there is a word for that, ... 


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Re: [darktable-dev] White-ish 1px border around selected photos in lighttable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Timur Irikovich Davletshin  [10-07-20 16:11]:
> Patrick, come on! Not again.
> 
> 1. Not your private mailing list and there are no rules regarding
> message format, size, etc.
> 2. IMAP clients use partial fetch, no need to download unwanted
> messages. Just don't open them if you're on measured service in the
> middle of the ocean :)
> 3. 95 kB message in 21 century in photo community? Seriously?
> 
> With all respect,
> 
> Timur.
> 
> On Wed, 2020-10-07 at 15:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > 
> > very ill mannered to post large files to the mailing list.  Some may
> > be on
> > measured service and not even be interested in your pictures.
> > 
> > post large files to a file-sharing service and provide the url.
> > 

"Just don't open them"

It's not a matter of opening them, my mail service delivers to my private
server.  I automagically receive all mail and ensuing traffic.  
and it was 122kb, not 95kb.

Please have some respect for others than yourself.

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Re: [darktable-dev] White-ish 1px border around selected photos in lighttable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Timur Irikovich Davletshin  [10-07-20 16:11]:
> Patrick, come on! Not again.
> 
> 1. Not your private mailing list and there are no rules regarding
> message format, size, etc.
> 2. IMAP clients use partial fetch, no need to download unwanted
> messages. Just don't open them if you're on measured service in the
> middle of the ocean :)
> 3. 95 kB message in 21 century in photo community? Seriously?
> 
> With all respect,
> 
> Timur.
> 
> On Wed, 2020-10-07 at 15:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > 
> > very ill mannered to post large files to the mailing list.  Some may
> > be on
> > measured service and not even be interested in your pictures.
> > 
> > post large files to a file-sharing service and provide the url.
> > 

yes, consideration and "respect", for everyone.

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Re: [darktable-dev] White-ish 1px border around selected photos in lighttable

[Patrick Shanahan]

* juli...@i2pmail.org  [10-07-20 15:25]:
> Wow so many thoughtful replies! Great to see such an active state of 
> development! Brilliant! I'll reply to each, but first.
> 
> > You never precise which darktable version, nor which theme there.
> 
> As stated in the first email I'm enjoying version 3.2.1. I'll try to state 
> that in all future correspondence. Theme is the default (dark). 
> 
> 
> > White border is no way acceptable on thumbnails.
> 
> If it makes the selected images easier to see and looks better then we have a 
> win-win situation. There is already a dark 1px border around the thumbnail. 
> What I'm saying it to make it light (or white-ish) when photo is selected.
> 
> I've produced a mock-up gif and attached it. Please excuse that I have added 
> a second border (1px padding, 1px border) around photos and darkened the 
> default background slightly also, which is not really needed, I just prefer 
> it, the only thing I'm suggesting is to add the white-ish 1px border instead 
> of keeping it dark like it is now.
> 
> 
> > And this has been improved recently.
> 
> If this has been done already, please ignore.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Le 06/10/2020 à 17:21, juli...@i2pmail.org a écrit :
> > > When multiple images are selected on the lighttable, its intensely 
> > > difficult to tell the difference between selected and unselected photos, 
> > > even with the lighter background. A white-ish 1px border should fix this.
> > >
> > > To replicate hold Ctrl and click a bunch of different photos to select 
> > > them.
> > >
> 

very ill mannered to post large files to the mailing list.  Some may be on
measured service and not even be interested in your pictures.

post large files to a file-sharing service and provide the url.

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[darktable-dev] possible race condition ??

[Patrick Shanahan]

Is thee possible a race condition when opening a collection?
I see the following command line output nearly always when opening a
collection:
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_203310_aaa_5171.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_204328_aaa_5202.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  

Closed and reopened the same collection:

  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_201751_aaa_5062.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_202216_aaa_5109.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/Second
  /Half/200915_211836_aaa_5282.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_203127_aaa_5161.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_203514_aaa_5176.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_203515_aaa_5177.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'
  
  [dt_exif_xmp_write]
  /mnt/nfs/photos/2020/soccer/AvonHSVarsity/2020.0915a.FranklinCentralHS/First
  /Half/200915_204029_dse_1011.nef.xmp: caught exiv2 exception
  /'[xmp_write] failed to serialize xmp data'

So appears whatever happening  is somewhat random or doesn't present an
apparent pattern.  But appears related to the above collection being on an
nfs connected storage (above) and not a "local" drive.  Or perhaps size of
collection as the nfs collection is >300 images and I do not have a local
collection available of >20 images.

using:  darktable --library :memory: /*
with "write sidecar files"

maybe a timing issue opening xmp files over nfs...

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Re: [darktable-dev] Problems with Crop and Rotate module

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Maurizio Paglia  [09-10-20 12:13]:
> Hi Matthias,
> if I let dt regenerate a new darktablerc file the problem disappeared :-(
> So I have to try to understand where a problem in my configuration file
> could be?

every time a new hot-key or config parameter is added, I must look very
closely at my ~/.config/darktable/keyboardrc* files and determine that my
preference has not been superseded or causing other difficulties.

sort keyboardrc > keyboardrc.sort
sort keyboardrc_default > keyboardrc_default.sort
meld ke*.sort

sort is necessary to determine changes as I fail to understand order.

then it is necessary to try to maintain dt's idea of order and including
my preferences.

you might apply similar logic to darktablerc, but may not need the sort
step.  

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Re: [darktable-dev] The Canon CR3

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Andreas Schneider  [01-01-70 12:34]:
> On Sunday, 30 August 2020 05:03:34 CEST Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > The difficulty in reverse engineering their proprietary algorithms w/o
> > becoming liable is apparently quite great.  Would you consider paying
> > their fines if they occur?
> 
> That's only true for the US and maybe some other countries, we don't have 
> software patents in the EU and reverse engineering is allowed here too ...
> 
> You comment from above is counter-productive! It spreads FUD.

you are incorrect, but carry on ... 

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Re: [darktable-dev] The Canon CR3

[Patrick Shanahan]

* FF  [08-29-20 22:02]:
> I don’t know who’re the people the question should be addressed to, so please 
> forward these concerns to them.
> 
> I’d only point out that the Canon 1Dx3 was released in February and the new 
> R5 is already shipping. These new and all future cameras will use the cr3 
> file format. If the main concern is possibility of Canon intervention, then 
> does it mean that dt will stop supporting all new cameras from the #1 
> manufacturer?
> 
> Best,
> Jack.
> 
> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Stille  wrote:
> > 
> > Furthermore, this concern is not from the darktable devs but from the dev 
> > team of the library darktable uses to decode raw files, exiv2. I'm sure 
> > darktable will support cr3 files as soon as exiv2 include support on their 
> > side, but until that happens, there's nothing practical the darktable team 
> > can do about it. I'd recommend redirecting your request to exiv2 
> > https://github.com/Exiv2/exiv2 <https://github.com/Exiv2/exiv2>
> > 
> > On 8/30/20 1:12 AM, Matt Maguire wrote:
> >> oh, I see, you *uploaded* CR3 samples, not downloaded. Samples aren't the 
> >> issue right now, it is more some concerns around what Canon's legal team 
> >> might do if the CR3 format is reverse-engineered.
> >> 
> >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 07:28, FF mailto:fm...@ncf.ca>> 
> >> wrote:
> >> The question is simple: When dt will support cr3 files used by the Canon 
> >> 1Dx3 and R5?
> >> 
> >> I got the msg. that what was needed were file samples which I provided.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 2020-08-29 4:42 p.m., Matt Maguire wrote:
> >>> What's your question? I have a Canon KissM/M50 that produces CR3 files, 
> >>> but so far to edit them in darktable I've been converting to DNG.
> >>> 
> >>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 03:25, FF mailto:fm...@ncf.ca>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>> I d/loaded samples of the cr3 files. Could someone making profiles confim 
> >>> they ?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jack
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You need to be addressing Canon as they hold patent/copywrite and have
failed to release specs to open source developers.

The difficulty in reverse engineering their proprietary algorithms w/o
becoming liable is apparently quite great.  Would you consider paying
their fines if they occur?

You could vote with your pocket book in another manner, do not buy Canon.

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Re: [darktable-dev] The Canon CR3

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [08-29-20 17:39]:
> * FF  [08-29-20 17:31]:
> > The question is simple: When dt will support cr3 files used by the Canon
> > 1Dx3 and R5?
> > 
> > I got the msg. that what was needed were file samples which I provided.
> > 
> > 
> > On 2020-08-29 4:42 p.m., Matt Maguire wrote:
> > > What's your question? I have a Canon KissM/M50 that produces CR3 files,
> > > but so far to edit them in darktable I've been converting to DNG.
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 03:25, FF mailto:fm...@ncf.ca>>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > I d/loaded samples of the cr3 files. Could someone making profiles
> > > confim they ?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jack
> > > 
> > > 
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> 
> but you only read a small part of the conversation.
> google for "cr3 support in darktable", the answer *is* there.

ps: the ultimate answer lies with canon management.

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Re: [darktable-dev] The Canon CR3

[Patrick Shanahan]

* FF  [08-29-20 17:31]:
> The question is simple: When dt will support cr3 files used by the Canon
> 1Dx3 and R5?
> 
> I got the msg. that what was needed were file samples which I provided.
> 
> 
> On 2020-08-29 4:42 p.m., Matt Maguire wrote:
> > What's your question? I have a Canon KissM/M50 that produces CR3 files,
> > but so far to edit them in darktable I've been converting to DNG.
> > 
> > On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 03:25, FF mailto:fm...@ncf.ca>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > I d/loaded samples of the cr3 files. Could someone making profiles
> > confim they ?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> > 
> > 
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but you only read a small part of the conversation.
google for "cr3 support in darktable", the answer *is* there.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Issue building manual after OS upgrad

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [08-29-20 08:40]:
> Am 29.08.20 um 14:15 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
> > builds fine for me but your process is different.
> > 
> > git clone git://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
> > cd darktable
> > git submodule init ;git submodule update
> > ./build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type RelWithDebInfo \
> > --prefix  ~/darktable_repos/
> > 
> > then I occassionally update:
> >git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules
> > and if new exists, build again
> > 
> > occassionally requires "rm -rf ./build"
> > 
> > or "rm -rf ../darktable"
> > and begin again with "clone"
> > 
> > 
> > openSUSE Tumbleweed
> Building the application is not the problem. Works fine, even under Ubuntu
> 20.04. Building the *manual *is the problem. Obviously avalon-framework is
> missing after OS upgrade. Actually I'm looking how to install the missing
> framework, up to now without success.

my build *includes* the manuals

ls -la ~/darktable_repos/share/man/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 6 paka users  48 Aug 27 10:01 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 paka users 107 Aug 27 10:01 ..
drwxr-xr-x 3 paka users  18 Aug 27 10:01 de
drwxr-xr-x 3 paka users  18 Aug 27 10:01 es
drwxr-xr-x 3 paka users  18 Aug 27 10:01 fr
drwxr-xr-x 2 paka users 135 Aug 29 07:26 man1

ls -la ~/darktable_repos/share/doc/darktable/
total 160
drwxr-xr-x 2 paka users 99 Aug 29 07:26 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 paka users 23 Aug 27 10:01 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 paka users   1350 Aug 29 07:21 AUTHORS
-rw-r--r-- 1 paka users 110039 Aug 29 07:25 darktablerc.html
-rw-r--r-- 1 paka users  35147 Aug 29 07:21 LICENSE
-rw-r--r-- 1 paka users   2203 Aug 29 07:21 README.md
-rw-r--r-- 1 paka users   4542 Aug 29 07:21 TRANSLATORS.md



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Re: [darktable-dev] Issue building manual after OS upgrad

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [08-29-20 05:11]:
> Dear devs,
> 
> after upgrading Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 it is no longer possible to build the
> manual. Using the command "make darktable-usermanual". I get this messages :
> 
> ... [100%] Building usermanual
> Making portrait pages on A4 paper (210mmx297mm)
> [warning] /usr/bin/fop: Unable to locate avalon-framework in /usr/share/java
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
> java.nio.CharBuffer.limit(I)Ljava/nio/CharBuffer;
>     at org.apache.fop.fo.FOText.characters(FOText.java:143)
>     at org.apache.fop.fo.FObjMixed.characters(FObjMixed.java:74)
>     at 
> org.apache.fop.fo.FOTreeBuilder$MainFOHandler.characters(FOTreeBuilder.java:390)
>     at
> org.apache.fop.fo.FOTreeBuilder.characters(FOTreeBuilder.java:136)
>     at 
> org.apache.xalan.transformer.TransformerIdentityImpl.characters(TransformerIdentityImpl.java:1126)
>     at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.characters(Unknown
> Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.xinclude.XIncludeHandler.characters(Unknown
> Source)
>     at
> org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanContent(Unknown
> Source)
>     at 
> org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDispatcher.dispatch(Unknown
> Source)
>     at
> org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(Unknown
> Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown
> Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown
> Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(Unknown Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)
>     at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(Unknown
> Source)
>     at 
> org.apache.xalan.transformer.TransformerIdentityImpl.transform(TransformerIdentityImpl.java:485)
>     at
> org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.transformTo(InputHandler.java:293)
>     at org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.renderTo(InputHandler.java:116)
>     at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.startFOP(Main.java:183)
>     at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.main(Main.java:214)
> make[3]: ***
> [doc/usermanual/CMakeFiles/darktable-usermanual.dir/build.make:62:
> doc/usermanual/darktable-usermanual.pdf] Fehler 1 ...
> 
> I tried with Java-8 (oracle) and Java-11 (openjdk 11.0.8+10-0ubuntu1~20.04)
> but that makes no difference. Is someone able to help ? The build of dt is
> running without any problem.

builds fine for me but your process is different.

git clone git://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
cd darktable
git submodule init ;git submodule update
./build.sh --enable-opencl --install --build-type RelWithDebInfo \
--prefix  ~/darktable_repos/

then I occassionally update:
  git pull --rebase --recurse-submodules
and if new exists, build again

occassionally requires "rm -rf ./build"

or "rm -rf ../darktable"
and begin again with "clone"


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Re: [darktable-dev] Retouch Disappears

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [08-22-20 09:45]:
> Interesting . although retouch is correctly sitting in group-4 and after
> opening and closing dt it is still correctly in place  my darktablerc
> reads as follows:
> 
> plugins/darkroom/retouch/expanded=FALSE
> plugins/darkroom/retouch/favorite=FALSE
> plugins/darkroom/retouch/modulegroup=4
> plugins/darkroom/retouch/visible=FALSE
> 
> So I now assume that I need to modify darktablerc accordingly.
> 
> David
> 
> On 22.08.20 15:22, Peter Harde wrote:
> > 
> > I also still fail to understand. The appearance of the retouch module is
> > controlled by the lines
> > 
> > *plugins/darkroom/retouch/expanded=TRUE
> > plugins/darkroom/retouch/favorite=TRUE
> > plugins/darkroom/retouch/modulegroup=4
> > plugins/darkroom/retouch/visible=TRUE*
> > 
> > of your local *darktablerc* config file. Generally this file is not
> > modified if you "git clone" / "git pull" and if you (after building and
> > installing) start darktable without command line options.
> > 
> > Peter Harde
> > 
> > Am 22.08.20 um 08:29 schrieb David Vincent-Jones:
> > > 
> > > Wrong diagnosis on my part  it is occurring whenever I update
> > > the git!! (which I am doing on a daily basis and daily I am also
> > > creating a new folder) So it is the git update that creates the
> > > problem.
> > > 
> > 
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you *can* alter darktablerc by hand but darktable must not be running or
edits will be overwritten.  OR you can use darktable itself to make the
setting you wish and when you leave, the setting will be stored in
darktablerc.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Retouch Disappears

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [08-22-20 02:32]:
> Wrong diagnosis on my part  it is occurring whenever I update the git!!
> (which I am doing on a daily basis and daily I am also creating a new
> folder) So it is the git update that creates the problem.
> 
> David
> 
> On 22.08.20 07:49, Peter Harde wrote:
> > 
> > 3.3.0+258~g38d875b49, Ubuntu 18.04
> > 
> > Can you explain more precisely what you mean with "create a new image
> > folder". Do you mean importing from a folder into a new filmroll? If so,
> > I can not confirm, works as expected for me, no influence on retouch
> > module.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Peter Harde
> > 
> > 
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and I *still* fail to understand.  I update git very frequently and have
absolutely no problem creating and using a new directory for each import
as I have done for very many years.

what exactly is it your are trying to convey.  baby steps, please.

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Re: [darktable-dev] 502 Bad Gateway accessing darktable redmine

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Karl Behler  [08-21-20 11:54]:
> Hi, any idea why I'm getting "502 Bad Gateway" accessing anything under
> https://redmine.darktable.org/ ???

because darktable moved from redmine to github

https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/





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Re: [darktable-dev] Canon 5DMk2 RAW HDR Seems incorrect

[Patrick Shanahan]

* James Buckle  [08-20-20 08:08]:
> No, I appreciate that fact cometely and admitted I'm new to using it. I'm
> not suggesting the application of a number of preparatory steps is
> confusing.
> 
> The HDR creation section of the help pages is 5 lines long, 2 of which are
> "you can generate them in another package" :) There's no info I can find as
> to what each module is auto-applying and why (and why the result is
> initially very unlike every other HDR generated by other packages). The
> only other documentation I can find on it via darktable.org is a blog post
> from 2012 which says turn off all auto applied modules as they "make the
> image strange". Can you provide a link to where it tells me why each module
> is applying values? Maybe a workflow to get to a usable image?
> 
> Jeezo, it's not like I'm not trying here - I've spent an hour or two
> searching and faffing and I'm just asking for a little support.
> 
> Cheers
> James
> 
> 
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 12:35 Patrick Shanahan,  wrote:
> 
> > * James Buckle  [08-20-20 05:15]:
> > > That’s curious, shouldn’t it just pull the mean (or at least one) value
> > from
> > > the constituent input files?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I’ve just tried opening a fresh DNG HDR file and copying the WB values
> > from the
> > > first image in the series, and it won’t actually allow me to apply the
> > values,
> > > the sliders move dependant on each other and I can never reach the same
> > value.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The workflow is really baffling me at the moment as I’m quite new to this
> > > package, in the history list it has a bunch of operations including
> > input and
> > > output colour corrections that I have not applied manually – not that
> > they seem
> > > to make any difference to the inability to get back to a nice neutral
> > colour
> > > tone. I can get close with the WB sliders, but then it has pretty much
> > lost all
> > > saturation. I’ve tried following some youtube tutorials but they don’t
> > seem to
> > > have this issue at all.
> >
> > and this "bafflement" is a direct result of not perusing the ample
> > documentation for darktable.  some operations must be applied to the image
> > to display it in a manner suitable for you to proceed with your editing.
> > Those operations are what you are seeing.
> >
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not familiar with creating hdr images but doesn't one effectively combine
several images to achieve hdr?  If so, individual images must be processed
prior to the combining and the steps to process a single (w/o reference to
hdr) image are what you are seeing.

perhaps your confusion is from starting quite into the process rather than
at the beginning.  your reference to "auto applying" is what happens when
one processess an image and they are discussed quite frequently here.

One of the "auto applied" early in the "preparation" steps to provide you
an image to edit appears, orientation

open the configuration, gear wheel, and look at that module in presets
you will see it is locked (padlock icon) and auto applied (far right
  checkmark)

and I agree that some things are only learned/obvious thru experimentation
and curiosity.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Canon 5DMk2 RAW HDR Seems incorrect

[Patrick Shanahan]

* James Buckle  [08-20-20 05:15]:
> That’s curious, shouldn’t it just pull the mean (or at least one) value from
> the constituent input files?
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve just tried opening a fresh DNG HDR file and copying the WB values from 
> the
> first image in the series, and it won’t actually allow me to apply the values,
> the sliders move dependant on each other and I can never reach the same value.
> 
>  
> 
> The workflow is really baffling me at the moment as I’m quite new to this
> package, in the history list it has a bunch of operations including input and
> output colour corrections that I have not applied manually – not that they 
> seem
> to make any difference to the inability to get back to a nice neutral colour
> tone. I can get close with the WB sliders, but then it has pretty much lost 
> all
> saturation. I’ve tried following some youtube tutorials but they don’t seem to
> have this issue at all.

and this "bafflement" is a direct result of not perusing the ample
documentation for darktable.  some operations must be applied to the image
to display it in a manner suitable for you to proceed with your editing. 
Those operations are what you are seeing.


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Re: [darktable-dev] git not starting

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [08-17-20 10:10]:
> liblua.so.5.3 is indicated as missing and appears to be stopping the update
> from starting.
> 
> David
> 
> manjaro/xfce/daily git

might try removing everything in your build directory and a fresh clone

  git clone https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git
  git submodule init ;git submodule update
  build ...

  
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Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.2.1 released

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Chris  [08-10-20 23:25]:
> If you mean the brush tool it works fine for me
> 
> On 10 August 2020 09:50:09 BST, Alexander Rabtchevich 
>  wrote:
> >Thanks for the great work. darktable is a pleasure to use tool.
> >
> >One question: is the Ctrl+Click working in multiple shapes creation in
> >the retouch module for the pen tool? I can't simultaneously create
> >several pen shapes both in Linux (git master) and Windows (3.2.1
> >release). Maybe I'm doing something wrong?


It would be very considerate of you both to trim the quoted material to
*only* that which is necessary to provide context to your message.  

This is the biggest problem with "top" posting and is very discourteous.

Please show a little consideration.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Translation of "scope"

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jeronimo Pellegrini  [07-29-20 05:27]:
> Hello,
> 
> I am updating the translation of the manual, and
> I see that the work "scope" was introduced in the
> last few days.
> I'd like to confirm this: in this context, "scope"
> has the same meaning as "screen of a measuring
> device", such as "the screen of a oscilloscope"
> (hence the similar name).  It does make a lot of sense
> if I read the text like that. Is it correct?

scope is an area affected or an area of controll
or the state of the environment in which a situation exists

ie:
  n 1: an area in which something acts or operates or has power or
 control: "the range of a supersonic jet"; "a piano has a
 greater range than the human voice"; "the ambit of
 municipal legislation"; "within the compass of this
 article"; "within the scope of an investigation"; "outside
 the reach of the law"; "in the political orbit of a world
 power" [syn: {scope}, {range}, {reach}, {orbit}, {compass},
 {ambit}]
  2: the state of the environment in which a situation exists;
 "you can't do that in a university setting" [syn: {setting},
 {background}, {scope}]
  3: a magnifier of images of distant objects [syn: {telescope},
 {scope}]
  4: electronic equipment that provides visual images of varying
 electrical quantities [syn: {oscilloscope}, {scope},
 {cathode-ray oscilloscope}, {CRO}]







 oscilloscope},

{CRO}]
        

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Re: [darktable-dev] Massive rendering issues with UI fonts in Windows 10

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Moritz Moeller  [07-18-20 13:49]:
> On 18.7.20 19:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > but you do not say what version of dt you speak, nor where/how you
> > obtained dt and how you installed it, 
> 
> He is on Windows 10. See subject line of his message.

Don't believe I questioned his operating system!

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Re: [darktable-dev] Massive rendering issues with UI fonts in Windows 10

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Michael  [07-18-20 13:09]:
> Hi, 
> 
> I installed Darktable for the first time. The interface font is near
> unreadable because of the rendering.  A „rainbow“ colored font instead
> of white, no matter which theme I select.  This makes Darktable useless
> at that moment.  I never encountered such an issue with other software,
> so I assume that Darktable itself has a problem.
> 
> I would be very grateful for a practical solution

the problem is undoubtedly your window system lacking the fonts needed to
correctly render the display.

but you do not say what version of dt you speak, nor where/how you
obtained dt and how you installed it,  

I have no such problem on my openSUSE Tumbleweed system.

Note that the dev's do not package dt for distribution, but provide source
code and distro specific volunteers do the packaging.  That would probably
be your best avenue to resolve your problem.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Culling to trash

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [07-16-20 20:23]:
> If I have 2 versions of an image shown on the culling lighttable and try to
> send one piece to the trash the system warns that both pieces will be
> trashed. This makes culling very much less useful.

suggest an issue report to github describing the condition and providing
version info and system data requested on the form.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Channel Mixer Ignores Masks

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [06-30-20 13:22]:
> darktable 3.1.0+2385~gbea8af41b ... Manjaro/Arch/XFCE
> 
> Applying a mask while using any of the presets in channel-mixer ... the mask
> is entirely removed and the preset is applied over the full image. Problem
> is seen with line, brush and shape masks.

bug report ???

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Re: [darktable-dev] Flatpak: OpenCL only works when DT repo version is also installed (Linux Manjaro)

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Matthias Elsdörfer  [05-08-20 06:29]:
> Hello, Darktable dev team!
> 
> I'm new to this mailing list and I'm not really sure I'm doing this
> right, but I hope this message reaches the right guys. :-)
> 
> I found a bug in the Flatpak version of Darktable.

undoubtedly a problem for the builders of the "Flatpak" package.  You
should contact them.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Issue at image (de)selection in map view

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Peter Harde  [05-05-20 02:12]:
> Hello,
> 
> dt 3.1.0+1383
> 
> 1. Select some images in lighttable
> 2. Switch to map view, selected images stay selected in filmstripe, OK
> 3. It's no more possible to deselect the images by just clicking an
>other, previously unselected, image. To deselect, one has to
>CTRL-click every simgle image.
> 4. Selecting images in filmstripe of map view also does not work as
>expected : only CTRL-click toggles the state, simple left click or
>SHIFT-click does nothing.
> 
> P.S.  Yes, I know, bug reports at Github. But Github collects personal data,
> tracks users and shares data with Google, Apple, Microsoft and many others.
> So I can't create an account.

yet you opt to use a gmail account.  paranoia!

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Re: [darktable-dev] Unhandled Exception when deleting duplicate on editor

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Marcos González Troyas  [04-30-20 03:51]:
> Greetings,
> 
> I have a bug to report:
> 
> I have two duplicates on several images.
> 
> On many of them, If I press the cross button to delete the last one,
> darktable crashes and I get an unhandled exception window, pointing to a
> series of backtraces that have no information (attached). After opening
> darktable again the duplicate is in fact deleted.
> 
> [image: image.png]
> 
> Regards,
> Marcos
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> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 

> this is darktable 3.0.2 reporting an exception:
> 


there is a facility for reporting issues with darktable builds:
  https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/
there the dev's will definitely see your problem, here just maybe.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Empty space before first photo on lighttable view grid

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Marcos González Troyas  [04-30-20 04:10]:
> Greetings,
> 
> I have a bug to report, using Windows 3.0.2 version:
> 
> Most of the time on lighttable view the first photo is not in the top left
> position of the grid, there are empty spaces lefts, and not always the same.

change lighttable display from "zoomable lighttable" to "filemanager".

unless you have it hidden, center bottom bar on lighttable display.
hide->unhide  


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Re: [darktable-dev] release-3.1.0-1358-ge22bfd2a4 messed up database

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Wolfgang Goetz  [04-28-20 18:19]:
> Good midnight,
> 
> one of the last commit(s) messed up my database.

great difficulty determining a relative commit w/o some knowledge of your
system and darktable version and where you obtained it. 
 
> collect images: clear rule shows 477 pics (out of ~100k)
> 
> selecting any film roll or tag:
> 
> lighttable empty. 
> there are no images in this collection ...




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Re: [darktable-dev] DT 3 crashes

[Patrick Shanahan]

* franjo  [04-20-20 06:21]:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> for a while I have had the problem when DT 3 is open and my PC goes into
> hibernate mode, opencl is closed in DT and I have to reboot the system.
> Then it works again.
> Second problem, when I scroll through the pictures in DT 3.0.2 in the
> darkroom with the space bar, DT crashes

Help will be very difficult as you have really provided little
information.  Please provide the actual version of dt (lowercase), where
you obtained it, your operating system, your computer memory and video
parameters and the operating parameters selected for darktable and is
opencl on or off?

It really sounds like an operating system problem, but ... 

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Re: [darktable-dev] Build an updated .po file

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Maurizio Paglia  [04-04-20 13:04]:
> Hi all,
> the redmine page is no more available :-( so please can anyone remind me the 
> procedure in order to obtain an updated .po file starting from dt sources?

you can find the latest on the github build.
for master:
  https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/tree/master/po

for regular versions, ??
  
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HooRay, Re: [darktable-dev] Trouble compiling lens.cc with lensfun 0.3.95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [04-02-20 14:13]:
> * Andreas Schneider  [04-02-20 07:49]:
> > On Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:37:38 CEST Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > * Andreas Schneider  [04-02-20 02:27]:
> > > > On Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:10:54 CEST Hossam Elgabarty wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Patrick Shanahan and Parafin. I have fallen back to 0.3.2, and 
> > > > > I
> > > > > second the opinion that it would probably be best to simply kill the
> > > > > 0.3.95
> > > > > preprocessor directive.
> > > > 
> > > > https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/790678
> > > 
> > > but the osc build for openSUSE Tumbleweed is still failing ???
> > >  
> > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/graphics:darktable:master/darktable
> > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/graphics:darktable:master
> > > /darktable/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64 still @  3.1.0~git822.a06f8db58
> > > since 15 March while
> > > current is:  3.1.0~git1066.5d2601b12
> > 
> > If you look at the SR it is in staging ...
> 
> looks like it is published and the latest obs dt master build is still
> failing, "lfModifier" ??? 

tks, git1083.ecd1346e3 successfully built for Tumbleweed.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Trouble compiling lens.cc with lensfun 0.3.95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Andreas Schneider  [04-02-20 07:49]:
> On Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:37:38 CEST Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Andreas Schneider  [04-02-20 02:27]:
> > > On Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:10:54 CEST Hossam Elgabarty wrote:
> > > > Thanks Patrick Shanahan and Parafin. I have fallen back to 0.3.2, and I
> > > > second the opinion that it would probably be best to simply kill the
> > > > 0.3.95
> > > > preprocessor directive.
> > > 
> > > https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/790678
> > 
> > but the osc build for openSUSE Tumbleweed is still failing ???
> >  https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/graphics:darktable:master/darktable
> > https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/graphics:darktable:master
> > /darktable/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64 still @  3.1.0~git822.a06f8db58
> > since 15 March while
> > current is:  3.1.0~git1066.5d2601b12
> 
> If you look at the SR it is in staging ...

looks like it is published and the latest obs dt master build is still
failing, "lfModifier" ??? 

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Re: [darktable-dev] Trouble compiling lens.cc with lensfun 0.3.95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Andreas Schneider  [04-02-20 02:27]:
> On Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:10:54 CEST Hossam Elgabarty wrote:
> > Thanks Patrick Shanahan and Parafin. I have fallen back to 0.3.2, and I
> > second the opinion that it would probably be best to simply kill the 0.3.95
> > preprocessor directive.
> 
> https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/790678

but the osc build for openSUSE Tumbleweed is still failing ???
 https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/graphics:darktable:master/darktable
 
https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/graphics:darktable:master/darktable/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64
still @  3.1.0~git822.a06f8db58 since 15 March while 
current is:  3.1.0~git1066.5d2601b12
 
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Re: [darktable-dev] Trouble compiling lens.cc with lensfun 0.3.95

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Hossam Elgabarty  [04-01-20 10:05]:
> Dear developers,
> 
> Many thanks for the great work!
> 
> I am recently having trouble building darktable, the problem starts with 
> iop/lens.cc when a 
> call to lfModifier constructur is made:
> 
> */home/hossam/.programs/darktable/src/iop/lens.cc:365:60:* *error: *no 
> matching 
> function for call to ‘*lfModifier::lfModifier(const float&, int&, int&, 
> lfPixelFormat, const 
> int&)*’
> 
> My system is OpenSuse tumbleweed, and I do have lensfun 0.3.95. Has anyone 
> else faced 
> a similar problem?

see:
  https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/graphics:darktable:master/darktable
  
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Re: [darktable-dev] git master doesn't update image preview thumbnails

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Alexander Rabtchevich  [03-01-20 08:38]:
> Even if the collection is deleted from dt and imported again, the
> thumbnails stay unchanged.
> 
> With respect,
> Alexander Rabtchevich
> 
> Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Alexander Rabtchevich  [02-29-20 12:52]:
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > > Darktable stopped updating image thumbnails (both in the film and on the
> > > table).
> > 
> > what version?
> > what operating system?
> > 
> > fwiw, I do not see that here:
> >   openSUSE Tumbleweed 20200227
> >   NVIDIA GF106 [GeForce GTS 450], 390.132
> >   darktable 3.1.0~git769.1ef4476cf
> >   OpenCL on
> >   i7 12-core 36GB
> > 
> > 


explain "stay the same"


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Re: [darktable-dev] Canon 1Dx Mk.III

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [02-15-20 18:48]:
> * FF  [02-15-20 17:11]:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I can provide RAW files if someone is interested.
> > Please let  me know where to send and what type of files.
> 
> https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri

fwiw: it is prominently noted on the dt website.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Canon 1Dx Mk.III

[Patrick Shanahan]

* FF  [02-15-20 17:11]:
> Hello,
> 
> I can provide RAW files if someone is interested.
> Please let  me know where to send and what type of files.

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri


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Re: [darktable-dev] "basecurve" is automatically applied when "auto_apply" is off

[Patrick Shanahan]

* philippe.weyl...@laposte.net  [01-13-20 13:02]:
> > Also, make sure you don't have any forgotten auto-applied presets in that 
> > module, of course. 
> 
> You are right. But if I'm not mistaken they are locked ... How to remove 
> auto-applied ? 
> 
> - Mail original -
> 
> De: "jys"  
> À: darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org 
> Envoyé: Dimanche 12 Janvier 2020 21:41:07 
> Objet: Re: [darktable-dev] "basecurve" is automatically applied when 
> "auto_apply" is off 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, at 00:20, Mike Romanov wrote: 
> 
> > The plugin "basecurve" is automatically applied when both "auto_apply..." 
> > checkboxes is off. 
> 
> I've heard of this fixing itself after a restart of darktable, I haven't 
> experienced it myself. Also, make sure you don't have any forgotten 
> auto-applied presets in that module, of course. :-) 
> 
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edit the module preset and remove the information necessary to determine
where to apply the preset (automagically).  The same way you made the
preset apply automatically.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Change of behviaour reg. (implicit) discard of history – intentional?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Jørn Villesen Christensen  [01-13-20 05:14]:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have been using Darktable 3.0 for a while – and thank you for your great
> work. Darktable has some nice new features that I really enjoy.
> 
> However, there is one feature that I find a bit annoying, it has to do with
> (implicit) discard of history.
> 
> Example:
> 
> 1. I have a photo with say 20 edits in the history.
> 2. The last thing I have done was to play with a module, lets say Tone
>Curve, but decided against it. I therefore click on entry 19 in the
>history, and I get the photo before me playing around.
> 3. I leave the photo for a while and then come back to it. (Actually
>not necessary for anything else than demonstrating my poor memory :-D ).
> 4. When I come back to it, I decide to add a bit of noise filtering (a
>step I often add in the end because it is heavy on the processing).
>When I enable the de-noise filter, the whole image change lighting –
>and it takes me a second or two to realise that it is because the
>entry no. 20 (the reverted Tone curve edit) has not been discarded,
>but instead the history has been fast-forwarded and the de-noise has
>been added as entry 21.
> 
> In this scenario, I am used to edit no. 20 being discarded, and the de-noise
> filter just applied on the image "as is".

*Unless* you "compress" the history stack, the focus location on the stack
is only pertinent if you make a new edit, then that "net edit" will
replace everything above your location on the stack.

ie: the stack has 21 entries and you have focused on 18 and leave that
image, when  you return you will still have 21 entries.  If you focuse on
18 and compress the stack, you will then have 18 or less depending on
whether you have utilized a particular module more than one time without
initiating a multiple/new instance.

clear as mud?

placing the focus on an entry in the history stack and leaving the image
does not change the history stack.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Lua Module

[Patrick Shanahan]

* David Vincent-Jones  [01-10-20 14:18]:
> darktable 3.1.0+326~g250fafcca
> 
> Manjaro/Arch/XFCE
> 
> I am still not finding the Lua import/update module on this version.

help yourself a little here.
  googling for "darktable lua scripts" provides first
  https://github.com/darktable-org/lua-scripts
where all of the publicized lua scripts are stored (not private). and
ample explanation for their use.

note: they are subject to change w/o notice.

if the import/update module you reference is not there, it is provided by
someone outside and you need a direct url

google provides email reference by wpferguson.  surely you can find it.

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Re: [darktable-dev] Database lock file seems too lenient

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Owen Mays  [12-21-19 23:33]:
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. One final clarification/question: if I
> go with the "look for updated xmp files" option, does that mean I will need
> to import images once on each machine? And then once they're imported into
> the (local) library, then darktable will watch for changes to the xmp files?
> 
> Thanks,
> Owen
> 
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 11:36 PM Sturm Flut 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Owen,
> >
> > On 14.12.19 19:02, Owen Mays wrote:
> >
> > > 1) Why go to the trouble of adding hostname to PID in the lock file, why
> > > not just check for existence of the lock file and treat that as evidence
> > > that the database is open? It looks like many lines of code have been
> > > written in database.c dedicated to finding an excuse to ignore the lock
> > > file :-) (by checking for a running process, etc).
> >
> > Since the backend database is not designed to be shared among machines
> > via the network, darktable is a single-machine application by design.
> > The point of the lock file is to keep multiple processes on the same
> > machine from opening the database at the same time. If the lockfile
> > exists on invocation, there are two possible cases:
> >
> > - An instance of darktable is already running, so it's better to open
> > the files passed to the second instance (if any) in the first one and
> > quit the second instance. I use this all the time to open RAW files from
> > the command line in the running darktable instance.
> >
> > - A previous instance of darktable crashed and didn't remove the
> > lockfile. Since SQLite does a basic sanity check on the database before
> > opening it, it's much better usability to handle this case automatically
> > and just overwrite the lock file. Otherwise users would complain about
> > this easy-to-fix nuisance.
> >
> >
> > > 2) Since sharing the library is not recommended, is there a recommended
> > > way to have one computer be aware of edits made on/by another computer?
> > > The problem I'm trying to solve is: my photos live on my laptop and are
> > > usually imported and edited there. For large jobs, I would like to be
> > > able to do processing on my desktop, which has a GPU. My current
> > > solution is to mount my laptop harddrive on the desktop via sshfs and
> > > point both darktable instances to a library file in the shared folder.
> >
> > I have the same requirement, my pictures live on a central file server.
> > I keep local darktable databases on all machines and activate the "look
> > for updated xmp files on startup" option in the "core options" in the
> > darktable settings.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Simon
> >
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no, it means what it says.  dt will monitor the xmp files for your images
that are in it's library and if it finds one different which indicates the
image has been edited anew, it will update it's library entry to include
the newer edit.


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Re: [darktable-dev] Database lock file seems too lenient

[Patrick Shanahan]

te a bash script wrapper to launch darktable that will first
> >> > check for the lockfile, but I'd like to understand the design decision.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Owen
> >> >
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to edit files on more than one computer, it is very important to follow a
strict regimen.  network access your library and files being careful to
only edit from one box at a time (easy to just use seat) or, utilize 
  library = :memory:
on the less utilized box making sure to save xmp files
and import the edited files on the main box.

this will keep your library up to date.

I utilize both of these methods one time or another successfully.


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